1 00:00:14,996 --> 00:00:45,156 Speaker 1: Pushkin no more going home. I'm on the ninth floor 2 00:00:45,236 --> 00:00:51,876 Speaker 1: of the LA County Courthouse. It's the celebrity murder floor. 3 00:00:52,796 --> 00:00:56,196 Speaker 1: This is where O. J. Simpson was tried, and Phil Spector, 4 00:00:56,676 --> 00:01:04,076 Speaker 1: the grim Sleeper, the night Stalker, and now Anthony Rowda. 5 00:01:04,916 --> 00:01:08,436 Speaker 1: Rowd has been awaiting trial for over a year. He 6 00:01:08,516 --> 00:01:12,196 Speaker 1: looks like he's aged a decade. He's in a restraint chair, 7 00:01:12,596 --> 00:01:17,036 Speaker 1: arms strapped down, doubtless the result of so many courtroom disruptions. 8 00:01:18,916 --> 00:01:21,916 Speaker 1: He gets wheeled in backwards by half a dozen deputies. 9 00:01:22,596 --> 00:01:25,356 Speaker 1: They're filming him, but the judge won't let me record 10 00:01:25,396 --> 00:01:28,036 Speaker 1: in the courtroom, so I take notes the old fashioned 11 00:01:28,076 --> 00:01:32,716 Speaker 1: way by hand in my reporter's notebook. By now, Route's 12 00:01:32,756 --> 00:01:36,596 Speaker 1: exhausted the public defender's office and the alternate public defender's office. 13 00:01:37,076 --> 00:01:41,396 Speaker 1: He's onto a private attorney who represents indigent clients. But 14 00:01:41,556 --> 00:01:46,036 Speaker 1: still at almost every hearing he's asking the judge, sometimes nicely, 15 00:01:46,316 --> 00:01:51,316 Speaker 1: sometimes not if he can represent himself. The question of 16 00:01:51,396 --> 00:01:55,396 Speaker 1: Routa's mental state hangs over the whole proceeding. Which Route 17 00:01:55,476 --> 00:01:59,276 Speaker 1: will show up today, what will provoke his rage? Is 18 00:01:59,436 --> 00:02:01,876 Speaker 1: anyone going to mention the fact that he seems completely 19 00:02:01,956 --> 00:02:08,156 Speaker 1: unstable today, he's a rate. He's yelling at the judge. 20 00:02:09,116 --> 00:02:12,156 Speaker 1: A crime scene is outdoors, there was a fire, whereas 21 00:02:12,276 --> 00:02:17,076 Speaker 1: his ballistics expert time is passing time he can't get back. 22 00:02:18,396 --> 00:02:20,756 Speaker 1: I don't want to sit in jail another two years, 23 00:02:20,836 --> 00:02:23,356 Speaker 1: he shouts, What do you want me to do? Be dumb? 24 00:02:23,796 --> 00:02:26,556 Speaker 1: Want me to close my eyes and my ears? I 25 00:02:26,636 --> 00:02:29,956 Speaker 1: have a brain, I have a soul, So I use 26 00:02:30,036 --> 00:02:38,556 Speaker 1: that you don't tell me. I'm almost relieved when at 27 00:02:38,556 --> 00:02:41,756 Speaker 1: a later hearing, the judge expresses doubt about his competency 28 00:02:41,796 --> 00:02:45,276 Speaker 1: to stand trial, even though that means everything will slow 29 00:02:45,276 --> 00:02:49,596 Speaker 1: down while he's assessed and stabilized. But what he's yelling 30 00:02:49,636 --> 00:02:53,916 Speaker 1: about today is something I've been thinking about too, the evidence, 31 00:02:55,276 --> 00:02:58,596 Speaker 1: What there is, what there isn't, and what it all 32 00:02:58,636 --> 00:03:02,876 Speaker 1: adds up to in the case against Rowda. In other words, 33 00:03:03,076 --> 00:03:06,156 Speaker 1: what's the theory of the case. How would Rowda have 34 00:03:06,196 --> 00:03:17,556 Speaker 1: committed all these crimes? And more important why? I'm Dana 35 00:03:17,596 --> 00:03:50,876 Speaker 1: Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, Episode seven, Morning Light. 36 00:03:52,916 --> 00:03:56,916 Speaker 1: I'm holding a file stamped secret. It's the testimony that 37 00:03:56,996 --> 00:03:59,996 Speaker 1: was presented to a grand jury convened several months back. 38 00:04:00,796 --> 00:04:04,556 Speaker 1: It's been unsealed so finally I can see what the 39 00:04:04,596 --> 00:04:10,956 Speaker 1: prosecutor's thinking. This is her best argument, all the evidence 40 00:04:11,076 --> 00:04:15,156 Speaker 1: she wants to present intact, unblemished, no holes poked by 41 00:04:15,236 --> 00:04:19,396 Speaker 1: Rowdah's defense attorney. That'll come later when the criminal trial 42 00:04:19,436 --> 00:04:26,116 Speaker 1: gets under way. It's surprising, remember near Missus one through five, 43 00:04:26,436 --> 00:04:30,316 Speaker 1: the shootings that use shotgun AMMO. She says. The reason 44 00:04:30,436 --> 00:04:33,636 Speaker 1: law enforcement never found a shotgun is that there never 45 00:04:33,796 --> 00:04:38,156 Speaker 1: was one. She says, Anthony Rowda used a zip gun, 46 00:04:38,836 --> 00:04:44,836 Speaker 1: a crude DIY weapon he made out of pipes and nails. 47 00:04:44,836 --> 00:04:47,956 Speaker 1: She called various investigators to testify to the grand jury. 48 00:04:48,716 --> 00:04:52,316 Speaker 1: They said they found shotgun shells at Rowdah's camp that 49 00:04:52,436 --> 00:04:56,276 Speaker 1: had markings indicating they hadn't been fired from a manufactured gun. 50 00:04:57,316 --> 00:05:02,196 Speaker 1: They also said they found pipes and nails, But pipes 51 00:05:02,196 --> 00:05:05,116 Speaker 1: and nails don't constitute a zip gun. They're just some 52 00:05:05,196 --> 00:05:08,396 Speaker 1: of the elements. It's like if you walked into a 53 00:05:08,476 --> 00:05:12,316 Speaker 1: kitchen and saw milk, eggs, and sugar some dirty cake pans. 54 00:05:13,156 --> 00:05:15,796 Speaker 1: You might infer a cake had been made, but you 55 00:05:15,876 --> 00:05:20,796 Speaker 1: also might wonder where's the flour. The prosecutor says Routa 56 00:05:20,956 --> 00:05:24,876 Speaker 1: was fixated on killing when the homemade zip gun didn't kill. 57 00:05:24,996 --> 00:05:28,236 Speaker 1: She says he left the area around Malibu Creek State Park, 58 00:05:28,636 --> 00:05:32,236 Speaker 1: went to northern California. Cell Phone data places him there 59 00:05:32,276 --> 00:05:35,676 Speaker 1: in January twenty eighteen, and when he came back a 60 00:05:35,716 --> 00:05:38,636 Speaker 1: few months later, she says he had a new weapon, 61 00:05:39,036 --> 00:05:42,836 Speaker 1: a nine millimeter carbing, and that's what allowed him to 62 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:57,436 Speaker 1: fulfill his deadly plan. Hallelujah blessed Mary Crazy's back. So 63 00:05:57,476 --> 00:06:00,356 Speaker 1: we went from a crudely cobbled together zip gun to 64 00:06:00,436 --> 00:06:04,476 Speaker 1: a precise and deadly semi automatic weapon, the nine millimeter carbing. 65 00:06:05,636 --> 00:06:07,756 Speaker 1: I've never even heard of a zip gun and know 66 00:06:07,876 --> 00:06:11,476 Speaker 1: almost as little about carbs. I call up Greg Block, 67 00:06:11,596 --> 00:06:16,796 Speaker 1: the weapons expert. Again. A zip gun is a homemade, 68 00:06:17,676 --> 00:06:21,756 Speaker 1: make it yourself gun, normally shooting shotgun rounds. It's a 69 00:06:21,796 --> 00:06:25,876 Speaker 1: couple pieces of pipe, he says. Everything you need to 70 00:06:25,876 --> 00:06:28,436 Speaker 1: make a zip gun you can get at the hardware store. 71 00:06:29,276 --> 00:06:31,356 Speaker 1: The most basic would be a pipe to hold the 72 00:06:31,356 --> 00:06:34,676 Speaker 1: shot shell, a nail, and something to force the nail 73 00:06:34,756 --> 00:06:37,516 Speaker 1: into the back of the shell. Basically, they're a weapon 74 00:06:37,636 --> 00:06:41,756 Speaker 1: for a person that cannot legally purchase one. So since 75 00:06:41,876 --> 00:06:45,356 Speaker 1: Rowdah couldn't buy regular weapons and had gone to prison twice, 76 00:06:45,476 --> 00:06:50,276 Speaker 1: for having antique weapons, maybe the next logical step the 77 00:06:50,356 --> 00:06:54,396 Speaker 1: last resort was to make his own. It also fits 78 00:06:54,476 --> 00:06:59,596 Speaker 1: Rowdah's survivalist lifestyle. One of his favorite survivalist authors wrote 79 00:06:59,596 --> 00:07:04,596 Speaker 1: a book which Rawdah owned, called Gorilla Gunsmithing, about making 80 00:07:04,596 --> 00:07:10,036 Speaker 1: your own weapons. Greg tells me that zip guns are dangerous, clumsy, 81 00:07:10,116 --> 00:07:15,076 Speaker 1: and imprecise. They're unreliable if not made properly. They do 82 00:07:15,156 --> 00:07:19,036 Speaker 1: not have an effective range. A zip gun is for 83 00:07:19,196 --> 00:07:22,996 Speaker 1: up close personal, he says. You've got to be really 84 00:07:23,036 --> 00:07:28,076 Speaker 1: motivated to build one. Usually it's hardcore gun geeks and teenagers. 85 00:07:28,636 --> 00:07:32,276 Speaker 1: Depending upon the metal he's using for one or both 86 00:07:32,276 --> 00:07:35,236 Speaker 1: pieces of pipe, it could blow up in his hand 87 00:07:35,996 --> 00:07:39,236 Speaker 1: because when that round goes off, you're causing an explosion. 88 00:07:39,836 --> 00:07:43,276 Speaker 1: And if you're not using good metal, that barrel could 89 00:07:43,356 --> 00:07:46,396 Speaker 1: separate like a banana peels, and if you're holding that 90 00:07:46,436 --> 00:07:49,956 Speaker 1: in your hands, it's going to get religious. The zip 91 00:07:49,996 --> 00:07:53,436 Speaker 1: theory doesn't just explain why the detectives never found a shotgun. 92 00:07:54,196 --> 00:07:57,156 Speaker 1: It could also explain a distinct feature of near misses 93 00:07:57,236 --> 00:08:00,916 Speaker 1: one through five, the shotgun ammo shootings that took place 94 00:08:01,036 --> 00:08:05,396 Speaker 1: well before Bodette's murder. In those incidents, the shooter fired 95 00:08:05,556 --> 00:08:08,516 Speaker 1: only once. It was one of the oddities, along with 96 00:08:08,556 --> 00:08:11,116 Speaker 1: the time of day in the area that early on 97 00:08:11,196 --> 00:08:14,516 Speaker 1: made Sergeant Wright and Lieutenant Royal think the crimes were connected. 98 00:08:16,156 --> 00:08:20,276 Speaker 1: Reloading a zip gun takes time, which could mean getting caught, 99 00:08:21,076 --> 00:08:24,356 Speaker 1: especially if you're hunting ground is a crowded public park. 100 00:08:26,036 --> 00:08:28,236 Speaker 1: So what about the other gun? The one Route was 101 00:08:28,316 --> 00:08:31,756 Speaker 1: arrested with the Macon model was a Ruger PC nine. 102 00:08:32,436 --> 00:08:37,196 Speaker 1: It looks just like a rifle, except that it takes 103 00:08:37,196 --> 00:08:41,916 Speaker 1: a pistol cartridge. A pistol cartridge. In other words, Route 104 00:08:41,916 --> 00:08:45,236 Speaker 1: as rifle took a nine millimeter handgun round. See, that 105 00:08:45,356 --> 00:08:47,676 Speaker 1: was the whole thing with the car being going back 106 00:08:47,756 --> 00:08:52,636 Speaker 1: to the wild West. Whatever your handgun shot, your car 107 00:08:52,716 --> 00:08:56,236 Speaker 1: being shot, or your saddle rifle. Then the Old West, 108 00:08:56,236 --> 00:08:59,636 Speaker 1: you carried a bandalier that had one caliber and it 109 00:08:59,756 --> 00:09:02,716 Speaker 1: was used for your car being and used for your handgun. 110 00:09:03,956 --> 00:09:08,476 Speaker 1: The Ruger PC nine resembles a short barreled military style rifle. 111 00:09:09,156 --> 00:09:13,396 Speaker 1: According to grand jury testimony, Routes had been modified. The stock, 112 00:09:13,476 --> 00:09:17,116 Speaker 1: which rests on the shoulder had been removed. Instead it 113 00:09:17,196 --> 00:09:21,276 Speaker 1: had a pistol grip. And how much does a carving cost? 114 00:09:22,836 --> 00:09:25,156 Speaker 1: You can get him for five or six hundred dollars. 115 00:09:25,756 --> 00:09:29,876 Speaker 1: I ask him what people use them for? Hunting? Home defense? 116 00:09:31,076 --> 00:09:35,236 Speaker 1: Not really, They're more for plinking and target shooting. That's 117 00:09:35,236 --> 00:09:38,916 Speaker 1: really what they're designed for. I mean, because it's a 118 00:09:39,316 --> 00:09:42,956 Speaker 1: it's a handgun round. It's really not effective as a 119 00:09:43,156 --> 00:09:50,676 Speaker 1: hunting rifle. So why would someone get one of these 120 00:09:50,676 --> 00:09:56,676 Speaker 1: guns for reasons other than target practice availability? I believe 121 00:09:56,836 --> 00:10:01,316 Speaker 1: that's what he had available to him to get illegally. 122 00:10:02,076 --> 00:10:03,716 Speaker 1: You know, he can't go into a gun store and 123 00:10:03,756 --> 00:10:07,076 Speaker 1: buy a gun. He's going to get refused. He will 124 00:10:07,116 --> 00:10:11,756 Speaker 1: fail the California Department of Justice background clearance check. So 125 00:10:12,756 --> 00:10:16,996 Speaker 1: my personal belief is it was probably stolen and he 126 00:10:17,076 --> 00:10:20,796 Speaker 1: bought it from a fence, or maybe he stolen himself. 127 00:10:21,436 --> 00:10:29,116 Speaker 1: We don't know. Greg says that the Ruger PC nine 128 00:10:29,396 --> 00:10:34,396 Speaker 1: is a loud gun. There's actually two noises. When you 129 00:10:34,476 --> 00:10:39,676 Speaker 1: hear the noise of the gun going off, and then 130 00:10:39,836 --> 00:10:44,396 Speaker 1: down range you hear what is, basically, for lack of 131 00:10:44,396 --> 00:10:47,436 Speaker 1: a better description, a sonic boom, just like an airplane 132 00:10:50,156 --> 00:10:53,556 Speaker 1: a flash on Scott McCurdy, Tristan Boudette's brother in law, 133 00:10:53,916 --> 00:10:56,596 Speaker 1: and his bleary thought in the early morning hours that 134 00:10:56,676 --> 00:11:02,596 Speaker 1: he was hearing the crack of fireworks and the sonic boom. 135 00:11:02,716 --> 00:11:06,996 Speaker 1: Is that what would sound possibly like fireworks? Yes, very 136 00:11:07,076 --> 00:11:10,916 Speaker 1: much so. And how accurate is it? I'll do one 137 00:11:10,996 --> 00:11:13,116 Speaker 1: hundred yards. You can do a head shot with it 138 00:11:13,196 --> 00:11:17,076 Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing. That's a long range. 139 00:11:17,436 --> 00:11:21,076 Speaker 1: But even at that maximum distance, the shooter still might 140 00:11:21,116 --> 00:11:27,396 Speaker 1: have heard the Boudette girls crying. Before we get off 141 00:11:27,436 --> 00:11:29,596 Speaker 1: the phone, I ask Greg for his best guess as 142 00:11:29,596 --> 00:11:32,436 Speaker 1: to what happened to the zip gun, that cake that 143 00:11:32,516 --> 00:11:37,916 Speaker 1: the prosecutor assumes existed, but which detectives never found. Once 144 00:11:37,916 --> 00:11:43,596 Speaker 1: he got the newer modern Ruger PC nine, he would 145 00:11:43,636 --> 00:11:48,716 Speaker 1: either bury, hide, or stash his previous weapons. I don't 146 00:11:48,756 --> 00:11:51,476 Speaker 1: see him throwing them away because he may need them 147 00:11:51,516 --> 00:11:56,516 Speaker 1: down the road. I go back to thinking about the 148 00:11:56,556 --> 00:12:00,156 Speaker 1: prosecutor's evidence based on what she presented to the grand jury. 149 00:12:01,276 --> 00:12:04,716 Speaker 1: There's a lot she has and a lot she doesn't have. 150 00:12:09,196 --> 00:12:11,716 Speaker 1: She doesn't have the zip gun, just some pipes and 151 00:12:11,836 --> 00:12:16,316 Speaker 1: nails and spent shells with suspicious markings on them. She 152 00:12:16,436 --> 00:12:19,356 Speaker 1: doesn't have witnesses placing Routa at the scene of any 153 00:12:19,356 --> 00:12:22,476 Speaker 1: of the near misses, and she doesn't have Routa in 154 00:12:22,476 --> 00:12:25,836 Speaker 1: the campground at Malibu Creek State Park with the rifle 155 00:12:26,076 --> 00:12:29,636 Speaker 1: at the time of the murder. But she does have 156 00:12:29,756 --> 00:12:33,196 Speaker 1: a lot of data from all those electronic devices found 157 00:12:33,196 --> 00:12:37,316 Speaker 1: in Routah's backpack and on his camp mark. Donald, that 158 00:12:37,436 --> 00:12:41,196 Speaker 1: Major Crimes detective told the grand jury that location data 159 00:12:41,276 --> 00:12:43,796 Speaker 1: from the devices put Routa in the general area of 160 00:12:43,796 --> 00:12:45,796 Speaker 1: the park on the dates of many of the crimes. 161 00:12:47,076 --> 00:12:49,636 Speaker 1: There's also the stuff that was stored on the devices. 162 00:12:50,236 --> 00:12:52,476 Speaker 1: One of Routa's phones had a file on how to 163 00:12:52,516 --> 00:12:57,636 Speaker 1: make zip guns. The kindle had one called expedient Homemade Firearms. 164 00:12:59,076 --> 00:13:03,356 Speaker 1: Routah's search history tells a story too, quote bullet hits 165 00:13:03,436 --> 00:13:09,356 Speaker 1: car gas tank and quote nine millimeter incendiary bullets. And 166 00:13:09,476 --> 00:13:12,476 Speaker 1: on the morning of the murder, the prosecutor says Rowda 167 00:13:12,596 --> 00:13:17,556 Speaker 1: was nearby, Andy was awake an hour before Bodett was killed. 168 00:13:17,876 --> 00:13:22,396 Speaker 1: One of Rodda's devices pinged on a nearby network, suggesting 169 00:13:22,436 --> 00:13:27,556 Speaker 1: that he was in the area. About ten minutes after 170 00:13:27,596 --> 00:13:33,836 Speaker 1: Bodett was killed, Rowda's searched breaking news headlines. Here's something 171 00:13:33,876 --> 00:13:37,236 Speaker 1: else the prosecutor has which will probably be more important 172 00:13:37,276 --> 00:13:39,836 Speaker 1: in the eyes of a future jury than any other 173 00:13:39,836 --> 00:13:44,796 Speaker 1: single piece of evidence. She has the Sheriff's Department weapons expert. 174 00:13:45,516 --> 00:13:48,956 Speaker 1: He testified to the grand jury that the bullet excavated 175 00:13:49,036 --> 00:13:54,196 Speaker 1: from Tristan Bodet's right shoulder was fired by Rowdah's rifle. 176 00:14:11,996 --> 00:14:15,716 Speaker 1: Beyond positing that Anthony Rowda was a killer bent on killing, 177 00:14:16,756 --> 00:14:21,356 Speaker 1: the prosecutor hasn't offered much about why. Why would he 178 00:14:21,396 --> 00:14:25,836 Speaker 1: have done these things? What would have motivated him? She's 179 00:14:25,876 --> 00:14:29,076 Speaker 1: got ideas about the mechanics, but nothing about the meaning. 180 00:14:30,636 --> 00:14:33,676 Speaker 1: From the research I've been doing, listening to his music, 181 00:14:34,236 --> 00:14:37,916 Speaker 1: listening to him in his letters, reading all those court documents, 182 00:14:38,676 --> 00:14:42,076 Speaker 1: I've started to see some patterns. I wonder if there's 183 00:14:42,116 --> 00:14:46,516 Speaker 1: anything else out there that could help me understand him. 184 00:14:46,596 --> 00:14:48,596 Speaker 1: I head back to the Internet to see what else 185 00:14:48,636 --> 00:14:53,636 Speaker 1: I can find out. He's got a couple of LinkedIn pages, 186 00:14:53,756 --> 00:14:58,996 Speaker 1: a word Press account, all those music sharing pages. He's Crazyhorse, 187 00:14:59,396 --> 00:15:03,756 Speaker 1: He's Tony Rowda MC. He was almost in hiding in 188 00:15:03,756 --> 00:15:08,076 Speaker 1: the real world, but online he really put himself out there. 189 00:15:09,236 --> 00:15:11,996 Speaker 1: I think he wanted to be noticed as a musician 190 00:15:12,716 --> 00:15:15,796 Speaker 1: and also as a writer. I searched up one of 191 00:15:15,796 --> 00:15:19,876 Speaker 1: his aliases, Crazyhorse to one, and that's how I discover 192 00:15:20,676 --> 00:15:25,716 Speaker 1: there's only one way to say it, a pair of manifestos. 193 00:15:27,316 --> 00:15:29,796 Speaker 1: There is a great debate going on now about the 194 00:15:29,836 --> 00:15:33,796 Speaker 1: Illuminati and New World Order. This is from one of them. 195 00:15:33,876 --> 00:15:38,316 Speaker 1: It's called The True Illuminati. Rata posted it in twenty eighteen. 196 00:15:39,316 --> 00:15:42,036 Speaker 1: Like Rada's letters, his writings are being read by an 197 00:15:42,036 --> 00:15:45,516 Speaker 1: actor and have been lightly edited for clarity. I first 198 00:15:45,556 --> 00:15:47,916 Speaker 1: heard of the New World Order through music albums in 199 00:15:47,956 --> 00:15:51,156 Speaker 1: the mid nineteen nineties, and the Illuminati a few years 200 00:15:51,236 --> 00:15:54,836 Speaker 1: later through the same channels. It's cut and paced conspiracy 201 00:15:54,876 --> 00:15:59,116 Speaker 1: Theory the tracks from King David to George Washington, Freemasons, 202 00:15:59,156 --> 00:16:02,116 Speaker 1: Skull and Bones, Morgan Stanley, and the founder of FedEx. 203 00:16:03,316 --> 00:16:06,636 Speaker 1: I obviously listened and formed my own opinion, but it 204 00:16:06,716 --> 00:16:09,796 Speaker 1: was only years later, when fighting some legal court cases, 205 00:16:09,796 --> 00:16:14,076 Speaker 1: that I seen firsthand the existence of these illuminary beings. 206 00:16:14,876 --> 00:16:18,876 Speaker 1: The other manifesto is called The Luciferian Theory. It too 207 00:16:18,956 --> 00:16:22,196 Speaker 1: was posted in twenty eighteen. On the cover, there's an 208 00:16:22,196 --> 00:16:25,156 Speaker 1: etching of a voluptuous eve handing an apple to Adam. 209 00:16:25,716 --> 00:16:28,716 Speaker 1: They're naked in the garden underneath the Tree of Knowledge. 210 00:16:29,476 --> 00:16:34,036 Speaker 1: The snake dangles from a branch above, just as there 211 00:16:34,116 --> 00:16:37,116 Speaker 1: is a choice of good and evil. A person must 212 00:16:37,116 --> 00:16:40,516 Speaker 1: decide between a nightmare or a vision in their way 213 00:16:40,556 --> 00:16:45,396 Speaker 1: of thinking. This is where a Lucifer dwells. The Luciferian 214 00:16:45,476 --> 00:16:49,116 Speaker 1: theory is named for Lucifer. He was one of God's 215 00:16:49,116 --> 00:16:51,796 Speaker 1: favorites until he tried to overthrow him and was cast 216 00:16:51,796 --> 00:16:55,996 Speaker 1: out of heaven. Narcissism and sadism are the foundation of 217 00:16:56,036 --> 00:17:01,396 Speaker 1: my theory. They are the devil's marks. After his banishment, 218 00:17:01,716 --> 00:17:05,156 Speaker 1: Lucifer stopped by the garden of Eden. Now with a 219 00:17:05,236 --> 00:17:08,956 Speaker 1: God's eye, which means using facts and truth, we look 220 00:17:09,156 --> 00:17:11,876 Speaker 1: to the paradise where what they call the stage is set, 221 00:17:12,396 --> 00:17:14,556 Speaker 1: and Lucifer is about to set a scene in how 222 00:17:14,596 --> 00:17:19,436 Speaker 1: to commit murder. Route is fascinated by Satan. Satan was 223 00:17:19,476 --> 00:17:22,116 Speaker 1: like a snake in the grass. That he could still 224 00:17:22,156 --> 00:17:25,516 Speaker 1: move quickly and strike with one lethal move, and that 225 00:17:25,596 --> 00:17:29,316 Speaker 1: he was cunning and beautiful also plays into the story. 226 00:17:30,116 --> 00:17:35,756 Speaker 1: He says he personally has felt Satan's manipulations through my 227 00:17:35,796 --> 00:17:39,396 Speaker 1: own experience from my family life, community, my short time 228 00:17:39,396 --> 00:17:42,396 Speaker 1: in the army, and the legal system. I have seen 229 00:17:42,556 --> 00:17:48,796 Speaker 1: firsthand what mind games can accomplish or destroy. Mind games, 230 00:17:48,836 --> 00:17:54,636 Speaker 1: he says, lead to pain, trauma, alienation, and ultimately paranoia. 231 00:17:56,076 --> 00:17:58,756 Speaker 1: One of the most common tactics is to plant doubt 232 00:17:58,836 --> 00:18:02,636 Speaker 1: in the individual, either by sexual inadequacy such as thinking 233 00:18:02,676 --> 00:18:07,396 Speaker 1: of homosexuality when they're not, bring out the individual's feelings 234 00:18:07,436 --> 00:18:12,196 Speaker 1: of insecurity, shame, guilt, and by some force or threat 235 00:18:12,316 --> 00:18:16,676 Speaker 1: cause feelings of loneliness. Then, once alienated, they hope to 236 00:18:16,716 --> 00:18:22,996 Speaker 1: wear the mind down. Paranoia develops and the individual begins 237 00:18:23,036 --> 00:18:27,156 Speaker 1: to become suspicious of those close to them. Person can 238 00:18:27,196 --> 00:18:30,356 Speaker 1: feel betrayed of what is true and who to trust. 239 00:18:32,236 --> 00:18:35,956 Speaker 1: Then there's the unfairness that sense Rauta has that he 240 00:18:36,156 --> 00:18:40,116 Speaker 1: is the victim that supposedly good people do bad things 241 00:18:40,156 --> 00:18:44,036 Speaker 1: to him and then he gets punished for it. So 242 00:18:44,156 --> 00:18:46,556 Speaker 1: why did these things happen? Did I do anything to 243 00:18:46,596 --> 00:18:50,276 Speaker 1: these people? No? Shouldn't these people be suffering a state 244 00:18:50,316 --> 00:18:57,036 Speaker 1: of hell and not me? The manifesto has dated April ninth, 245 00:18:57,116 --> 00:19:00,676 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, that's two and a half months before Tristan 246 00:19:00,676 --> 00:19:05,436 Speaker 1: Boudett was killed In it. Rada sounds tortured, like he's 247 00:19:05,476 --> 00:19:08,676 Speaker 1: in a cosmic battle for his soul. Like he said, 248 00:19:09,236 --> 00:19:17,756 Speaker 1: person must decide it's nightmare or vision immortal vision. I 249 00:19:17,876 --> 00:19:26,156 Speaker 1: promise you I will not lose my soul. The only 250 00:19:26,196 --> 00:19:29,356 Speaker 1: official assessment I have of Routah's mental health is a 251 00:19:29,356 --> 00:19:32,556 Speaker 1: form attached to one of his court cases. It's a 252 00:19:32,596 --> 00:19:34,876 Speaker 1: case he brought in two thousand and six against the 253 00:19:34,916 --> 00:19:39,596 Speaker 1: California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, claiming abuse and civil 254 00:19:39,676 --> 00:19:44,276 Speaker 1: rights violations while he was in prison. Next to developmental problem, 255 00:19:44,516 --> 00:19:50,156 Speaker 1: the form says abuse eleventh grade education ged. If you 256 00:19:50,196 --> 00:19:53,036 Speaker 1: read that as a chronology, it's a pretty awful coming 257 00:19:53,036 --> 00:19:57,076 Speaker 1: of age story. The form says that in two thousand 258 00:19:57,076 --> 00:20:00,996 Speaker 1: and two, Routa twice attempted suicide by pills, and that 259 00:20:01,076 --> 00:20:03,876 Speaker 1: he has a history of alcohol in marijuana use and 260 00:20:03,996 --> 00:20:08,836 Speaker 1: a history of depression and PTSD. The PTSD stems from 261 00:20:08,836 --> 00:20:11,436 Speaker 1: an ledged two thousand and three assault in the Ela 262 00:20:11,516 --> 00:20:16,236 Speaker 1: County jail. Rada has documented this allegation elsewhere, that he 263 00:20:16,316 --> 00:20:19,396 Speaker 1: was badly assaulted by five or six other inmates and 264 00:20:19,476 --> 00:20:23,156 Speaker 1: the deputies failed to protect him. His father, Ozzie, told 265 00:20:23,156 --> 00:20:24,756 Speaker 1: me that the deputies were the ones who left his 266 00:20:24,836 --> 00:20:29,436 Speaker 1: cell open, facilitating the attack. The form says he's been 267 00:20:29,476 --> 00:20:34,476 Speaker 1: prescribed the antidepressant Lexapro and the antipsychotic whispered All which 268 00:20:34,516 --> 00:20:37,156 Speaker 1: at low doses can be used to treat depression, and 269 00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:40,996 Speaker 1: at high doses is used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. 270 00:20:42,356 --> 00:20:45,796 Speaker 1: In a letter from jail, Rada wrote, my mental health 271 00:20:45,796 --> 00:20:48,756 Speaker 1: had got worse as I've gotten older, but living alone 272 00:20:48,796 --> 00:20:51,676 Speaker 1: has helped, even though being alone or in jail is 273 00:20:51,716 --> 00:20:55,676 Speaker 1: what caused it. I'm not sleeping well right now. Somehow 274 00:20:55,756 --> 00:20:59,356 Speaker 1: my thoughts get dark. I do not like taking medication. 275 00:21:00,036 --> 00:21:04,756 Speaker 1: I usually receive counseling when I want outside or inside. 276 00:21:05,356 --> 00:21:07,276 Speaker 1: He told me that when it's up to him, he 277 00:21:07,356 --> 00:21:11,836 Speaker 1: doesn't take meds. He also said he drinks sometimes to 278 00:21:11,916 --> 00:21:14,956 Speaker 1: the point of oblivion. When I was free, I drank 279 00:21:14,996 --> 00:21:17,836 Speaker 1: liquor when I could, and my memory was sometimes bad. 280 00:21:18,436 --> 00:21:20,876 Speaker 1: I would forget my age, write down what I needed 281 00:21:20,916 --> 00:21:23,956 Speaker 1: to do so I wouldn't forget I've lacked out sometimes? 282 00:21:24,996 --> 00:21:26,716 Speaker 1: Is he trying to tell me that he may have 283 00:21:26,796 --> 00:21:31,396 Speaker 1: done things he doesn't even know he did. I'm trying 284 00:21:31,436 --> 00:21:35,076 Speaker 1: to understand rowdas psychology, to imagine what his motive could 285 00:21:35,076 --> 00:21:38,556 Speaker 1: have been. What I've been able to assemble combing through 286 00:21:38,596 --> 00:21:43,596 Speaker 1: his writings and court documents is a weird, sad, scattered jumble, 287 00:21:44,316 --> 00:21:48,636 Speaker 1: and it's far short of an explanation, still nothing to 288 00:21:48,676 --> 00:21:54,116 Speaker 1: suggest a why I decided to call a psychologist. I 289 00:21:54,156 --> 00:21:58,316 Speaker 1: find someone who specializes in adult male offenders, especially the 290 00:21:58,356 --> 00:22:02,716 Speaker 1: connection between childhood trauma and adult deviance. His name is 291 00:22:02,756 --> 00:22:06,636 Speaker 1: doctor James Revs. He's never examined Anthony Rowda, but he 292 00:22:06,676 --> 00:22:09,996 Speaker 1: agrees to give me some educated guesses. I tell him 293 00:22:09,996 --> 00:22:13,116 Speaker 1: everything I know about Rouda's past, what I've observed, and 294 00:22:13,196 --> 00:22:16,476 Speaker 1: the crimes he's accused of. Now, the heat that you 295 00:22:16,516 --> 00:22:20,316 Speaker 1: were talking about in regard to his emotionality, that to 296 00:22:20,476 --> 00:22:24,556 Speaker 1: me comes from something that he has undergone, you know, 297 00:22:24,556 --> 00:22:27,676 Speaker 1: in other words, someone has betrayed his trust or hurt him, 298 00:22:28,076 --> 00:22:30,356 Speaker 1: or at least he perceives that to be the case. 299 00:22:31,556 --> 00:22:34,076 Speaker 1: Revas says, it doesn't sound like rout is a psychopath. 300 00:22:34,956 --> 00:22:39,916 Speaker 1: He sees him more as quote intelligent, wounded, impulsive, obsessional, 301 00:22:40,156 --> 00:22:43,596 Speaker 1: and poorly skilled. I just have the sense, as you talk, 302 00:22:43,716 --> 00:22:46,996 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of heat behind all of these acts, 303 00:22:47,036 --> 00:22:51,196 Speaker 1: that they're not coldly premeditated in the service of gaining 304 00:22:51,276 --> 00:22:56,756 Speaker 1: some good. That there's a lot behind that Rauta, he says, 305 00:22:56,996 --> 00:23:00,956 Speaker 1: sounds like a textbook narcissist. You also mentioned that he 306 00:23:01,196 --> 00:23:06,036 Speaker 1: acted as his own attorney in court, and many, many 307 00:23:06,156 --> 00:23:10,396 Speaker 1: narcissistic criminals will do that, and he did that, for example, 308 00:23:11,436 --> 00:23:14,676 Speaker 1: because they believe that they are smarter than their own counsel. 309 00:23:15,236 --> 00:23:19,196 Speaker 1: And so then it may be that the murder and 310 00:23:19,236 --> 00:23:25,556 Speaker 1: the shootings are sort of a narcissistic compensation for feelings 311 00:23:25,556 --> 00:23:29,756 Speaker 1: of insecurity. My guess is it may make him feel 312 00:23:30,316 --> 00:23:33,876 Speaker 1: very very powerful. If in fact he set fires, it 313 00:23:33,916 --> 00:23:37,356 Speaker 1: may make him feel very very powerful. It's his way 314 00:23:37,396 --> 00:23:39,676 Speaker 1: of sort of giving the middle finger to the world. 315 00:23:40,556 --> 00:23:44,516 Speaker 1: I've witnessed Rout to do exactly literally this give the 316 00:23:44,556 --> 00:23:48,476 Speaker 1: middle finger to the TV cameras in court. My guess 317 00:23:48,636 --> 00:23:52,676 Speaker 1: is what's happening is it makes him feel omnipotent, all powerful, 318 00:23:53,236 --> 00:23:56,916 Speaker 1: and probably in that moment it's massively relieving of all 319 00:23:56,916 --> 00:24:01,036 Speaker 1: of these other negative tensions inside of him. So shooting 320 00:24:01,076 --> 00:24:05,596 Speaker 1: cars and people could make him feel masculine, powerful and important, 321 00:24:06,396 --> 00:24:11,196 Speaker 1: godlike even getting to decide who and who dies. It 322 00:24:11,276 --> 00:24:14,156 Speaker 1: could be very satisfying for someone who's identified as a 323 00:24:14,236 --> 00:24:17,956 Speaker 1: victim for so long. He's going away with a bang. 324 00:24:18,676 --> 00:24:21,516 Speaker 1: He's pronounced if he's doing these things, he's pronouncing that 325 00:24:21,596 --> 00:24:24,676 Speaker 1: he's still there. He's going away and then coming back 326 00:24:24,676 --> 00:24:28,396 Speaker 1: and engaging an aggression, you know. So to me it's anger, 327 00:24:28,916 --> 00:24:34,836 Speaker 1: narcissism and paranoia. Well that's one person anyway who can 328 00:24:34,876 --> 00:24:38,156 Speaker 1: figure an explanation for a series of violent crimes against 329 00:24:38,236 --> 00:24:43,516 Speaker 1: unsuspecting strangers. But in his letters and in court, Rauda 330 00:24:43,676 --> 00:24:48,116 Speaker 1: keeps saying he's innocent. I go back to his writings, 331 00:24:48,756 --> 00:24:53,276 Speaker 1: the manifesto he published just before Tristan Boudette's murder. I 332 00:24:53,436 --> 00:24:59,876 Speaker 1: force myself to reread the Luciferian theory. Rowda makes a 333 00:24:59,956 --> 00:25:03,516 Speaker 1: lot of connections. There's stuff about the third eye the sun, 334 00:25:04,316 --> 00:25:08,676 Speaker 1: and there's a lot about Lucifer. Lucifer equals light equals 335 00:25:08,716 --> 00:25:12,716 Speaker 1: in light. Mint to stay on the subject, my theory 336 00:25:12,716 --> 00:25:15,916 Speaker 1: of an ancient secret knowledge being passed down through history 337 00:25:15,956 --> 00:25:19,636 Speaker 1: by Lucifer. The name Lucifer literally means the morning star 338 00:25:19,916 --> 00:25:23,796 Speaker 1: the planet venus or is like bringing onto the highest 339 00:25:23,836 --> 00:25:28,756 Speaker 1: of initiates. Lucifer. The name actually means the one who 340 00:25:28,756 --> 00:25:33,596 Speaker 1: brings the light, the morning star, first light. That makes 341 00:25:33,636 --> 00:25:36,476 Speaker 1: me think about the timing of the crimes just before 342 00:25:36,516 --> 00:25:40,996 Speaker 1: the morning light, and something I'd skimmed right past before 343 00:25:41,596 --> 00:25:45,236 Speaker 1: jumps out at me this time. Routa makes a reference 344 00:25:45,276 --> 00:25:48,676 Speaker 1: to Saint John's Day, the feast day of John the Baptist. 345 00:25:49,316 --> 00:25:52,356 Speaker 1: It's in late June, and it's a big deal to Freemasons. 346 00:25:52,396 --> 00:25:56,156 Speaker 1: Some of the Illuminati routa frets about the most. He 347 00:25:56,236 --> 00:25:59,716 Speaker 1: writes that a quote happens to be Midsummer's Day, the 348 00:25:59,796 --> 00:26:04,836 Speaker 1: day the sun is at its strongest. Midsummer's Day, the 349 00:26:04,916 --> 00:26:07,596 Speaker 1: day the sun is at its strongest is the solstice, 350 00:26:08,236 --> 00:26:11,876 Speaker 1: the longest day of the year. It's a day that, 351 00:26:12,076 --> 00:26:14,876 Speaker 1: in old religious myths, represents a turning point in the 352 00:26:14,876 --> 00:26:18,796 Speaker 1: battle between light and shadow, when the Winter King begins 353 00:26:18,836 --> 00:26:24,996 Speaker 1: his ascendants by killing the Summer King. In twenty eighteen, 354 00:26:25,316 --> 00:26:30,116 Speaker 1: Midsummer's Day was June twenty first, the day Tristan Bodett 355 00:26:30,196 --> 00:26:55,836 Speaker 1: took his children camping, The last day of Tristan Bodett's life. 356 00:27:05,276 --> 00:27:07,436 Speaker 1: I've been living with Anthony Rawda for two and a 357 00:27:07,476 --> 00:27:11,636 Speaker 1: half years now. My office is full of his stuff. 358 00:27:12,916 --> 00:27:14,676 Speaker 1: At one end of my desk I keep a stack 359 00:27:14,676 --> 00:27:17,956 Speaker 1: of books on how to disappear, how to survive in apocalypse, 360 00:27:18,076 --> 00:27:20,316 Speaker 1: live off the land, build a bomb, or make a 361 00:27:20,316 --> 00:27:23,676 Speaker 1: gun from scratch. They are all books I know He's 362 00:27:23,676 --> 00:27:26,596 Speaker 1: owned at one time or another in his life. I've 363 00:27:26,596 --> 00:27:30,516 Speaker 1: got file, boxes of notebooks, court filings, letters, his lists 364 00:27:30,516 --> 00:27:36,836 Speaker 1: of grievances, misdirections, red herrings, split hairs. Why has no 365 00:27:36,876 --> 00:27:40,396 Speaker 1: one asked law enforcement why they have lied? Why has 366 00:27:40,436 --> 00:27:43,196 Speaker 1: no lawyer wished to represent me? Why has no one 367 00:27:43,236 --> 00:27:45,996 Speaker 1: tried to prove my accusations of the sheriff's assaulting me 368 00:27:46,036 --> 00:27:49,396 Speaker 1: as lies? Why did the sheriff tell the media I 369 00:27:49,476 --> 00:27:51,876 Speaker 1: was a suspect in the murder of mister Baudet on 370 00:27:51,996 --> 00:27:54,716 Speaker 1: the day of my arrest, when the rifle had not 371 00:27:54,796 --> 00:27:58,476 Speaker 1: been tested and I did not admit any wrongdoing. Why 372 00:27:58,556 --> 00:28:00,916 Speaker 1: is there no direct evidence leading me to the attempted 373 00:28:00,996 --> 00:28:04,676 Speaker 1: murder when the Sheriff's department official statement to Lieutenant Royal 374 00:28:04,876 --> 00:28:08,556 Speaker 1: is that these crimes were not connected. Why did Lieutenant 375 00:28:08,596 --> 00:28:12,196 Speaker 1: Royals in instigation not lead to any suspects. The media's 376 00:28:12,236 --> 00:28:15,076 Speaker 1: portrayal of me has been slanderous. I have not been 377 00:28:15,116 --> 00:28:19,076 Speaker 1: to Maliboon years. I spend a lot of time looking 378 00:28:19,076 --> 00:28:22,596 Speaker 1: at his drawings, especially one that was published in a 379 00:28:22,636 --> 00:28:26,556 Speaker 1: prison literary magazine in twenty sixteen, the year he was 380 00:28:26,596 --> 00:28:31,316 Speaker 1: most recently released. On the left are two cops surrounded 381 00:28:31,316 --> 00:28:35,636 Speaker 1: by little word bubbles that say nine one on the right, 382 00:28:35,956 --> 00:28:38,596 Speaker 1: a snake and an apple with a bite out of it. 383 00:28:39,716 --> 00:28:42,676 Speaker 1: Above that, the gates of Eden, with Adam and Eve 384 00:28:42,956 --> 00:28:47,516 Speaker 1: standing underneath a radiant tree of knowledge. They look like 385 00:28:47,556 --> 00:28:51,556 Speaker 1: they're walking away to the east of Eden after the fall. 386 00:28:53,276 --> 00:28:55,956 Speaker 1: I feel like I know Rautah a little now, and 387 00:28:56,076 --> 00:28:59,236 Speaker 1: I think he's grafted this story of paradise and loss 388 00:28:59,516 --> 00:29:04,796 Speaker 1: onto his own and his artist's name, Crazy Horse. It's 389 00:29:04,796 --> 00:29:09,556 Speaker 1: not random either. The original Crazy Horse defeated custom Army 390 00:29:09,596 --> 00:29:12,036 Speaker 1: at the Battle of the Little Big Horn. He met 391 00:29:12,076 --> 00:29:15,916 Speaker 1: the army in steep and treacherous terrain, then killed Custer 392 00:29:16,196 --> 00:29:19,796 Speaker 1: and every last one of his men. That sounds like 393 00:29:19,796 --> 00:29:23,636 Speaker 1: a rout of revenge fantasy come true. And you know 394 00:29:23,636 --> 00:29:34,756 Speaker 1: how Crazy Horse died resisting imprisonment. Ded Rouda says he's 395 00:29:34,796 --> 00:29:38,276 Speaker 1: not guilty and the trial will determine that. But here's 396 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:42,636 Speaker 1: what I think. Part of Anthony Rowda wants to be 397 00:29:42,716 --> 00:29:45,916 Speaker 1: left alone. Part of him is dying for a fight. 398 00:29:47,156 --> 00:29:49,436 Speaker 1: And now that I know about his hatred of police, 399 00:29:49,796 --> 00:29:52,636 Speaker 1: his long and contentious relationship with the Lost Hills cops, 400 00:29:53,716 --> 00:29:57,156 Speaker 1: I have my own theory of the case. It was 401 00:29:57,196 --> 00:30:00,836 Speaker 1: never about Tristan Boudet or Campers or someone getting in 402 00:30:00,876 --> 00:30:04,476 Speaker 1: his way as he was stealing food. I think Rouda 403 00:30:04,556 --> 00:30:07,556 Speaker 1: camped behind Lost Hill Station and started shooting off his 404 00:30:07,636 --> 00:30:11,076 Speaker 1: guns to make fool of the cops, to draw them 405 00:30:11,076 --> 00:30:14,956 Speaker 1: into a fight in treacherous terrain where he was comfortable 406 00:30:15,676 --> 00:30:20,276 Speaker 1: to kill them or be killed. One of the cops 407 00:30:20,316 --> 00:30:22,716 Speaker 1: told me that during Radah's arrest, he was shouting at 408 00:30:22,716 --> 00:30:27,276 Speaker 1: the deputies stuff like kill me, fucking shoot me before 409 00:30:27,396 --> 00:30:36,956 Speaker 1: I get you. On my desk, I keep a map 410 00:30:36,996 --> 00:30:39,756 Speaker 1: I printed out that covers Malibu Creek State Park in 411 00:30:39,836 --> 00:30:43,636 Speaker 1: the surrounding area. It's annotated with every crime route as 412 00:30:43,636 --> 00:30:49,716 Speaker 1: accused of dates, victims, jurisdiction, ammunition. I also marked Ratah's 413 00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:54,196 Speaker 1: camp north of a hairpin turn on Mulholland Highway. I 414 00:30:54,276 --> 00:30:58,396 Speaker 1: need to get out there. I still haven't been. I 415 00:30:58,476 --> 00:31:01,516 Speaker 1: searched my inbox for correspondence with Lou, the guy in 416 00:31:01,556 --> 00:31:03,156 Speaker 1: the Maga hat that I met on the tour of 417 00:31:03,196 --> 00:31:06,356 Speaker 1: Malibu Creek State Park. I remember he said he'd take 418 00:31:06,396 --> 00:31:09,916 Speaker 1: me to Ratah's camp, and that's how I come across 419 00:31:09,916 --> 00:31:12,396 Speaker 1: a photo album that Lou shared with me a while back, 420 00:31:13,036 --> 00:31:15,356 Speaker 1: pictures he took when he went to Routah's camp. A 421 00:31:15,356 --> 00:31:19,556 Speaker 1: few weeks after he was arrested, I clicked through them again. 422 00:31:20,116 --> 00:31:22,396 Speaker 1: I've looked at them a handful of times, always with 423 00:31:22,436 --> 00:31:27,796 Speaker 1: a vaguely disappointed feeling. They look like nothing, dry gray 424 00:31:27,876 --> 00:31:32,356 Speaker 1: and brown leaves littering the hillsides, pieces of blue tarp boring. 425 00:31:33,956 --> 00:31:37,036 Speaker 1: But this time I see something I never noticed before. 426 00:31:37,756 --> 00:31:39,836 Speaker 1: In one of the pictures, there's a piece of scrap 427 00:31:39,916 --> 00:31:43,716 Speaker 1: wood that looks almost like garbage. It's roughly l shaped, 428 00:31:43,876 --> 00:31:47,036 Speaker 1: with all kinds of crude notches and cuts, an odd 429 00:31:47,076 --> 00:31:51,356 Speaker 1: shape like a puzzle piece. By now, I've spent a 430 00:31:51,356 --> 00:31:53,996 Speaker 1: lot of time looking at diagrams and images of homemade 431 00:31:53,996 --> 00:31:59,676 Speaker 1: guns in Routah's books on YouTube. Am I seeing what 432 00:31:59,836 --> 00:32:03,996 Speaker 1: I think I'm seeing? This piece of wood looks to 433 00:32:04,076 --> 00:32:07,436 Speaker 1: me like the frame for a zip gun. Maybe the 434 00:32:07,556 --> 00:32:12,116 Speaker 1: last ingredient route would have to bake the cake, and 435 00:32:12,236 --> 00:32:19,596 Speaker 1: it was in his camp. I call up Greg Block again, 436 00:32:19,956 --> 00:32:24,156 Speaker 1: he's the weapon's expert. Okay, can you yeah describe what 437 00:32:24,196 --> 00:32:28,396 Speaker 1: you see? It doesn't look like a random piece of wood. 438 00:32:28,916 --> 00:32:33,276 Speaker 1: It looks like it was made to do something or 439 00:32:33,396 --> 00:32:38,836 Speaker 1: be something. I mean, it's got a lot of cuts 440 00:32:38,836 --> 00:32:42,476 Speaker 1: in it that are made for a certain reason. On 441 00:32:42,476 --> 00:32:44,756 Speaker 1: one side, there's what looks like a handle or a 442 00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:47,516 Speaker 1: way to grip it. Above that part of the wood 443 00:32:47,516 --> 00:32:50,836 Speaker 1: has been removed, possibly to make space for a barrel, 444 00:32:51,836 --> 00:32:54,116 Speaker 1: and just in front of the grip is another series 445 00:32:54,156 --> 00:33:00,556 Speaker 1: of cuts, notches in a zigzag line. Those notches are 446 00:33:00,956 --> 00:33:05,996 Speaker 1: very crude and rudimentary. It was done by hand. And 447 00:33:06,036 --> 00:33:08,596 Speaker 1: then you'd have to ask, why is that piece of 448 00:33:08,636 --> 00:33:14,676 Speaker 1: wood in this area? It is definitely suspicious. It's been 449 00:33:15,436 --> 00:33:19,116 Speaker 1: cut and designed for one thing, which is something to 450 00:33:19,196 --> 00:33:22,676 Speaker 1: launch a projectile commonly referred to as a zip gun. 451 00:33:26,556 --> 00:33:29,236 Speaker 1: The investigators knew they were looking for a zip gun, 452 00:33:29,956 --> 00:33:33,636 Speaker 1: and they knew they hadn't found all the necessary elements. 453 00:33:33,716 --> 00:33:37,236 Speaker 1: So if you're law enforcement and you know you're looking 454 00:33:37,236 --> 00:33:39,596 Speaker 1: for a zip gun and you see this on the ground, 455 00:33:40,516 --> 00:33:46,436 Speaker 1: what do you do? You're taking his evidence. This idea 456 00:33:46,636 --> 00:33:50,036 Speaker 1: is so crazy. I call up a couple of hardcore 457 00:33:50,116 --> 00:33:53,836 Speaker 1: gun geeks YouTubers who make guns all the time. We 458 00:33:53,916 --> 00:33:57,236 Speaker 1: talk about the limitations of the photograph. It's taken from above, 459 00:33:57,356 --> 00:34:00,396 Speaker 1: so it doesn't show the object in three dimensions. Close 460 00:34:00,436 --> 00:34:06,796 Speaker 1: inspection might yield other interpretations. But still they both say, yeah, 461 00:34:07,196 --> 00:34:10,116 Speaker 1: I can see that it's not crazy to think this 462 00:34:10,196 --> 00:34:13,076 Speaker 1: might be a prototype or a rough draft. One of 463 00:34:13,076 --> 00:34:15,316 Speaker 1: them says, I can make a zip gun out of that. 464 00:34:16,916 --> 00:34:19,916 Speaker 1: Law enforcement never found the weapon used in near misses 465 00:34:19,956 --> 00:34:23,756 Speaker 1: one through five. They found some elements, pipes and nails, 466 00:34:23,956 --> 00:34:27,796 Speaker 1: but nothing close to a finished product. Could this be 467 00:34:27,956 --> 00:34:32,876 Speaker 1: the missing ingredient? The cops combed through Rout's camp multiple 468 00:34:32,916 --> 00:34:35,876 Speaker 1: times and no one picked it up. And you know 469 00:34:35,916 --> 00:34:38,636 Speaker 1: what happened the day after lou took that photo, the 470 00:34:38,716 --> 00:34:45,476 Speaker 1: Wolsey fire. So now, in all likelihood it's been reduced 471 00:34:45,476 --> 00:34:50,836 Speaker 1: to ash, and all that exists is this photograph. Zip 472 00:34:50,916 --> 00:34:56,156 Speaker 1: guns have another name. They're known as ghost guns. They're untraceable, 473 00:34:57,356 --> 00:35:06,876 Speaker 1: they disappear. I'm having a holy shit kind of realization. 474 00:35:08,196 --> 00:35:10,356 Speaker 1: But it's not that I think I've discovered the lost 475 00:35:10,396 --> 00:35:13,756 Speaker 1: puzzle piece that solves the Route A case. It's that 476 00:35:13,916 --> 00:35:19,716 Speaker 1: law enforcement overlooked this an object at Route's camp that 477 00:35:19,756 --> 00:35:24,676 Speaker 1: your average gun geek on YouTube could make a weapon from. 478 00:35:24,716 --> 00:35:28,916 Speaker 1: The Los Angeles Sheriff's Department, of course, won't comment, but 479 00:35:29,076 --> 00:35:32,436 Speaker 1: I can't stop wondering, how could they have missed this? 480 00:35:33,396 --> 00:35:37,316 Speaker 1: How could they not see it? It's almost like denying 481 00:35:37,396 --> 00:35:40,356 Speaker 1: the existence of the Canyon shooter became a habit the 482 00:35:40,476 --> 00:35:44,236 Speaker 1: law enforcement couldn't break. They were so used to saying 483 00:35:44,276 --> 00:35:46,916 Speaker 1: that there was nothing going on out there, no mystery 484 00:35:46,956 --> 00:35:52,556 Speaker 1: to solve, that they couldn't recognize what was right before 485 00:35:52,596 --> 00:36:24,196 Speaker 1: their eyes. Lost Hills is written and hosted by me 486 00:36:24,596 --> 00:36:28,876 Speaker 1: Dana Goodyear. It's produced by Western Sound and Pushkin Industries. 487 00:36:29,396 --> 00:36:32,956 Speaker 1: For more information about my investigation, follow at Lost Hills 488 00:36:32,996 --> 00:36:38,316 Speaker 1: Pod on social media. Up next episode eight East of 489 00:36:38,516 --> 00:36:38,676 Speaker 1: Eden