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Speaker 1: What's the difference in mindset versus looking at the Rangers

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the first off, the I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Knicks are much smaller organization in terms of you know,

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Speaker 2: the Rangers are twenty guys and they're all playing right,

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Speaker 2: there's no rotation. Well, I mean there is just a

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Speaker 2: slight rotation in hockey, but basically all twenty guys play

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Speaker 2: the whole game, right, So it's it's a much bigger group,

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Speaker 2: right that they also there's obviously a lot less.

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Speaker 3: Scoring, right, So with basketball it's a smaller group.

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Speaker 2: And I mean there's you know, Tim's been playing with

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Speaker 2: an eight man rotation.

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Speaker 3: I think it's been nine nine now, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Tips, he's doing his things increasing, it's increasing, Right.

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Speaker 3: It's always funny to talk to him about playing time.

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Speaker 3: He's like, he talk about it. It just want to

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Speaker 3: win the game. So so wait, right, I'm not mad

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Speaker 3: at them.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the development is different because there's so

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Speaker 2: many players in hockey versus versus basketball. I mean they

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Speaker 2: you know, Leon had a plan, man with a plan

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Speaker 2: three years ago, he executed it. We really changed you

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Speaker 2: know over those you know from your coming on it

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Speaker 2: said we changed out the whole group. You can't do

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Speaker 2: that in hockey, right, you can't change out twenty guys.

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Speaker 2: If you do, you're gonna you're gonna have a mess

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Speaker 2: on your hands. Right, You got to build right. And

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Speaker 2: then there's the whole question of of you know, how

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Speaker 2: do you build right free agents? Uh, you know, draft picks.

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing is is hockey has a much

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Speaker 2: more developed farm system than than basketball US. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they see these kids coming from like thirteen fourteen years

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Speaker 2: old and they go into this pipeline, right that is

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Speaker 2: like a double a right, et cetera, all the way up,

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Speaker 2: sometimes some through college, some not through college, right the

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Speaker 2: the and you got to watch them the whole way.

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Speaker 2: And so the development of a of a hockey player

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Speaker 2: I think is much more different, much more longer term

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Speaker 2: than a than a basketball player basketball player, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean you could take a look put

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Speaker 2: the phenoms aside, right, you know basketball players are you

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Speaker 2: know they go through high school, right, they they go

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Speaker 3: Right, it's.

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Speaker 2: The they and a lot changes along along the way

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Speaker 2: for him and who and who who rises up eventually

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Speaker 2: to an NBA level, right is you know, it's not

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Speaker 2: that easily predictable. I mean they you watching the Saint

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Speaker 2: John's games at all, You don't watch not your team,

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Speaker 2: but they're you know, I mean it's interesting to watch

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Speaker 2: that team developed. They got to a coach and Patino

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Speaker 2: and you're watching those players develop. And I mean it's

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Speaker 2: different hockey basketball.

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Speaker 5: So I mean, look at a guy like on a Zoo,

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Speaker 5: extreme example, but Duncan Robinson right plays Division III and

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Speaker 5: is now like has a really meaningful contract. You probably

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Speaker 5: don't see that in hockey, even you, right, you were

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Speaker 2: Extremely rare in hockey, Sydney I could name my one hand,

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Speaker 2: they and even with you know, look you put Sidney Crosby,

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Speaker 2: you know when he first came on into the team

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Speaker 2: for the for the Penguins, right, I mean he did

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Speaker 2: make a difference, right, But you can't these twenty guys playing.

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Speaker 2: There's nineteen other guys, right, the other nineteen guys can

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Speaker 2: let the puck in the net and Sydney can score

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Speaker 2: his hearts as are you're still gonna lose.

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Speaker 3: You won't even make the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: So they they've got they've got to develop all twenty

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Speaker 2: of them. And the other big big one of the

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Speaker 2: other big difference between hockey and basketball is.

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Speaker 3: The cap, right, the.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the hockey cap is a hard cap, right,

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Speaker 2: I means it's around I don't know, I think it's

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Speaker 2: like a ninety something million at this point, right, But

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Speaker 2: everybody's got the same cap, right, So you can't you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're in New York.

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Speaker 2: If there was no cap, we could we could sign

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Speaker 2: every you know, every player, every great player there was.

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Speaker 2: There's no luxury tax or apron, no luxury tax, there's

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Speaker 3: There's just a hard cap. You can't go over it.

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Speaker 5: Do you think that's that positive for the league?

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Speaker 3: In that night?

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Speaker 2: It's created a lot of parody in the league, right

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Speaker 2: So a team can be on top of the world

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Speaker 2: their star player or or two gets gets injured, and

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Speaker 2: you're playing basically with a sixty million dollar roster against

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Speaker 2: a ninety million dollar roster.

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 5: So do you feel like from a league perspective, dynasties

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Speaker 5: and aprons and super teams yield a better product than

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Speaker 5: like a league full of parody.

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Speaker 3: Up to a point until it gets boring.

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Speaker 5: And that's a fine line.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's like we have seen, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, bunches of years where the same team ends up

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Speaker 2: in the playoffs, right, I mean, it gets a little

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Speaker 2: especially when it's not your team, right, they get.

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Speaker 3: A little tired of it.

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Speaker 2: Right, But but yeah, I think you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like the implementation of the two aprons

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Speaker 5: helps them that sense? And that it makes it really

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Speaker 5: hard to have a dynasty over over five years because

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's hard to have a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the yeah, it's been like I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'd be happy to have a dynasty for one year.

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Speaker 2: It's just about this year or next year.

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Speaker 1: I would like there hasn't been a repeat champion and

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Speaker 1: what since the words that's the Warriors has been different

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Speaker 1: I just think that that's and there's.

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Speaker 2: Different ways to develop a team too. I mean that's

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Speaker 2: the that's part of what you see. I mean the

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Speaker 2: out over over time. Right, It's those two or three

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Speaker 2: I mean it's whole team. I always I always loved

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Speaker 2: the old Detroit team. You know, they had great players,

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean the the.

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Speaker 2: And you know when they won a championship, and the

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Speaker 2: way they won that championship was was team play, right,

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Speaker 3: Right, that team?

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Speaker 2: The that team when they when they played, I mean

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Speaker 4: So I'm talking about building teams. Obviously this summer has

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Speaker 4: go through your you know, your mind. When it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: Well, look it's it's all Leon right. The you know,

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Speaker 2: I am not the architects of this team. The the

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Speaker 2: Leon Rose is the architects of the team. You know,

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Speaker 2: him and coach and West is in there too, right,

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Speaker 2: But they come to me, right, and uh when they

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Speaker 2: How to the two Jobe with each other. Are you

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Speaker 2: you know, are you making a significant change? Why are

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Speaker 2: you doing it? It doesn't mean you can't, right, but I

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's been really easy with with Leon. He didn't really

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Speaker 3: They've architected it that way.

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, now we work on on

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Speaker 3: You know, that's that's what we wanted to see happen.

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Speaker 1: But have you have you always been that way when

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Speaker 3: Learn along the way we want to go over that?

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Speaker 1: Really, you know, you don't have to say like I said,

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Speaker 2: I mean, there were times when when you know, it's

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Speaker 2: maybe this is what we need, especially when when things

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Speaker 2: all around for us. Sometimes it's a players, sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: learned over time is that doesn't work. No, it really doesn't. Right,

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Speaker 2: you really, you really have to do the fundamentals to basics.

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Speaker 2: You got to build a team, You got to build

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It does not There is no you know, waving the

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Speaker 2: of a sudden a great team doesn't happen.

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Speaker 1: Was there ever a trade or signing where it didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, A long time ago, A long time ago. I

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Speaker 2: Vince Carter, right, Vince is a great example. Right that

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