1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: You got to get in the game. I'm Orange C. Hudson. 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: It's time for a change and make the right moves 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: in this game called life. Think before you move and 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: always be nice. And when the game get tough and 5 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: times get rough, never give up because we're more than enough. 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: Practice every day, duck correct way, always better your best 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: before you play. We got to get in the game. 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Get in the game. Say it, and they say, get 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: in the game. Get in the game. Get your head 10 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: in the game, heading the game. Say it, head in 11 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: the game, heading the game. Stay in the game, stay 12 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: in the game. Say it. Stay in the game, Stay 13 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: in the game. Get on top of your game, top 14 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: of your game, top of your game. What game? What game? 15 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: The game or life? The game or life. Chance is 16 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: more than a game. If the test you can pass, 17 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: pay attention and learn from mistakes in the past. Everybody 18 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: from Winder when you know the truth, it's all about 19 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: learning and you are living proof. Dropping a demo on 20 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: today's youth. I'm just like you. There's nothing we can't do. 21 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: Be willing to make mistakes and times you get better. 22 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: Do whatever it takes. Back down, never get in the game, 23 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: and don't be afraid. We all created equal black and 24 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: white shades. Whichever way you may, we all breathe the same, 25 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: we all need the same, So please get in the game. 26 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 2: Yay, that's something right there. 27 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 3: Now, Welcome to an army of normal folks. I'm Bill Courtney. 28 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm a normal guy. I'm a husband, a father, an entrepreneur, 29 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: and I've been a football coach in inner city Memphis. 30 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: And that last part it somehow led to an oscar 31 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 3: for the film about our team, it's called Undefeated. I 32 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: believe our country's problems will never be solved by a 33 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: bunch of fancy people in nice suits using big words 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 3: that nobody ever understands on CNN and Fox, but rather 35 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: by an army of normal folks, US, just you and 36 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 3: me deciding, Hey, you know what, maybe I can help. 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: That's what Orange checkmate Hudson, the voice we just heard 38 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: is done. But he might not be in the rapping 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: game or any other game if it weren't for his teacher, 40 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: who taught him chess and showed him a better way 41 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 3: than his game. Orn became the first African American to 42 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: defeat the Alabama state champion in chess and has since 43 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 3: taught chess to over one hundred thousand kids. I cannot 44 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: wait for you to meet Orrin right after these brief 45 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: messages from ours unner sponsors Arn Hudson, how are you man? 46 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: In best day in my life I get to hang 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: out with you might is that a movie coaching kids? 48 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: You know you got me. I'm all in. I knew 49 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: you had me when I seen you coaching those kids. 50 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: Y'all it was down and you came back. You're my 51 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: type of guy, beating the odds. I love people who 52 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: can help people beat the odds. 53 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 3: Or if this thing you do now doesn't work out, 54 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 3: maybe you should be a publicist because you just threw 55 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: me out there and I appreciate that. Or but you're 56 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: the man, and I cannot wait when well. First of all, 57 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: shout out to a listener of ours named Bill Maddox. 58 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: Do you know who Bill Maddocks or Bill Mannix? I 59 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: love Bill Mannix and you need to try to recruit 60 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: him to be a part of your team because he 61 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: is not only is he a good person, he's a 62 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: great communicator. He can write stuff that will make people. 63 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: It's better to send him to Hawaii than to go 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: for yourself, because when he write about it, you can 65 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: feel the water flapping on your feet. 66 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Well, Bill Maddocks, who I don't know, we at the 67 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 3: end of every episode, as all of our regular listeners 68 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: will know, you know, we invite people to tell us 69 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: about extraordinary people in their community that we don't know 70 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: about doing extraordinary things. And Bill Maddox wrote us about you. 71 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 3: We are getting innundated with these and that does not 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: mean we want them to stop. Alex will peel through 73 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,719 Speaker 3: all of them. But Bill wrote and told me about 74 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: this guy named Orrin Checkmate Hudson and who was a 75 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: guy who grew up in the inner city and was 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: coaching chess inner city kids. And the reason I immediately 77 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: called Alex and said figure this one out is and 78 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 3: get him here Orn is because chess had a significant 79 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 3: impact on my life as a kid. Wow, and this 80 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: is about you. But I'm going to share this to 81 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 3: give people perspective as to how vested I am in 82 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:03,600 Speaker 3: your story. Most people, well not most people. A lot 83 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 3: of people know this, but my dad left home when 84 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: I was four, MoMA was married, divorced five times, and 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: the only mentors I had in my life were my 86 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: coaches and my freshman year I was playing football, and 87 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: I hurt hurt my shoulder, and that kind of killed 88 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 3: fall for me. There was no way I was going 89 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: to play. And yeah, I was just kind of getting 90 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 3: ready for basketball season, frankly. And my favorite teacher was 91 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: my math teacher and his name was Dale Flickinger. I 92 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: want you to imagine a guy with coke bottle glasses, 93 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: but big, like six two two fifty with coke bottle 94 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: glasses and kind of curlyish hair and a math teacher. 95 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: You think you know what you're looking at. Well, as 96 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: I got to know him more, I found out he 97 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,599 Speaker 3: was a drummer and a rock band. He played the 98 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 3: piano in his church. He started at center for his 99 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 3: high school football team in mine at North Dakota and 100 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 3: they lost one game in four years. And he was 101 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 3: a master in chess, and he started a chess team 102 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: and chess club at the school. And he said, man, 103 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 3: you don't have anything to do this fall, why don't 104 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: you join the chess club. Hang out and we'll teach 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 3: a chess. And I'm like chess for geeks. I'm a football, basketball, 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 3: baseball guy. I ain't playing no chess. That's what is that? 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: All my friends are going to think I'm crazy. 108 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: And. 109 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: Little by little he drew me in and my freshman 110 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 3: year I ended up winning the state championship for the 111 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: novice division, and by my senior year, all of the 112 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: guys and girls that were on the team went to 113 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,559 Speaker 3: the nationals in Philadelphia and our school team place third. 114 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 3: What I was exposed to as a result of chess 115 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 3: was analytical thinking, creativity, patience, not being impulsive and going 116 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 3: with your first reaction. It taught me to be analytical. 117 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 3: It grew my mind, and then socially it had an 118 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: effect on me because I'm from Memphis and everybody I 119 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: was playing chess with were white private school kids and 120 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: a few Asians. And when I went to the national championship, 121 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: there were these teams from New York, all these black 122 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: kids from intercity schools, and they were thumping folks and 123 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 3: I'm talking about they were so much better than we were, 124 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 3: And it also opened my mind. Chess played a really 125 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 3: big role in my most formative years, and I will 126 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 3: still I haven't played USCF chess. It's it's still us. Yeah, 127 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: I haven't played USCF chess since oh my gosh, I 128 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 3: mean probably nineteen eighty eight, nineteen eighty nine, but I 129 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 3: will still on occasion, if I got a twenty dollars 130 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 3: bill in my pocket at a minute, will stop by 131 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: in the New York Paul or on the sidewalks in 132 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: New Orleans and put the twenty down there and play 133 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: a five game to a five minute speed game. And 134 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 3: I went more than I lose, and you know, I 135 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 3: still love it. And when I'm bored to death on 136 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: adulta flight, I'll play the computer chess. I'm not I 137 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: haven't studied openings or middle games or closings in two decades. 138 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 3: I'm not good. But you know I got to where 139 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: I could play a little bit and it was so 140 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: important to me. It became a really big part of 141 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 3: my life. So I want to say that to you 142 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: before we start your story, because I want you to 143 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: know I feel you, I appreciate you, and I feel 144 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: what you're. 145 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: Doing, and I feel what you've done with the kid 146 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: of the football and how you didn't give up and 147 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: how you showed up at people houses. That's just really remarkable. 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: That shows that you have a passion to make a difference, 149 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: and we are Kendrick souls, and that I believe in 150 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: what you believe in and helping the young people and 151 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: helping at least the lass and the loss. 152 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 3: I love that, but we got to get to why 153 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: you're doing it, where you came from, and how you're 154 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: doing it. So we're going to start at the beginning. 155 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 3: One other thing chess made me a far better football coach. 156 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: The analytics. The pattern recognition. Yeah, the absolutely pattern recognition. 157 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: The looking at a situation that you didn't expect and 158 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 3: having to analyze it quickly and figure out the next move. 159 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: There's a big difference in chess and football though, because 160 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: when you tell a chess piece to move someoneen, you 161 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: tell your rook to move up a file, or you 162 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 3: tell your night to take its move, it's going to 163 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 3: do it. In football, you do. You may tell them 164 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: to make the right and they do what they would 165 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 3: to do, They do what they want to do. So 166 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 3: you know, in that regard, chess is a lot more 167 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 3: static than football. But it still made me all right orn. 168 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 3: So that's a background, long winded background, and I shouldn't 169 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 3: talk so much about myself, but I really want you 170 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: to know why I was so excited to see you. 171 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 3: So you grew up in the Birmingham area. Tell me 172 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: about your childhood. 173 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Well, you know, my mom had thirteen children. I'm seven, 174 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm number seven, So I was a middle child, and 175 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: I remember us staying in the housing projects in Birmingham 176 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: and it was like sardines. Have you ever seen startinges 177 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: in the can? 178 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: That's how I've seen. 179 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: When you got a three bedroom and you got thirteen children, 180 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: there's you know, five people in a room. So, uh, 181 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: my brother woke up in a nightmare and hit me 182 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: a couple of times. It was that many. It was 183 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: that many people in the bed. But uh, I never 184 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: forget that. But yeah, it was a it was a 185 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: it was a packed house. And I was in and 186 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: out of foster homes because the State of Alabama took 187 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: we had too mama, I had too many children, and 188 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: so they took four or five of us and put 189 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: us in foster care. So I was in foster care 190 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: and sell my Alabama and you know, went through a 191 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: phase where it really was a blessing because when I 192 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: went to foster care, I had a white foster pearance 193 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: and I went to a predominantly mostly white school and 194 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: it really kind of gave me a different outlook and 195 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: perspective versus the hood. I was from the hood in 196 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: Birmingham Avenue housing projects. And when I went to sell 197 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: mall and had these gave me a different perspective and 198 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: was able to see things in a different way. And 199 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: then I later got out of foster care, went back 200 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: home and I was in a gang. I was following 201 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: the follower. I was with these kids and they would 202 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: say do this. I would do it. They said do this, 203 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: and I would do it. And James Edge, a white 204 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: teacher in all black high school, which was Hayes High 205 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: schooled me to the side and said, listen, you following 206 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: the follower. I'm gonna teach you how to think independently 207 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: and how to think for yourself. I said, well, how 208 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: are you gonna do that. He said, I'm gonna teach 209 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: you chess. I said, no, no, no, I'm a checker. 210 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 4: Guru, he said. He said, Checkers, you're using half of 211 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 4: the board. He said, Chance, you're using every single square 212 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 4: on the board. He said, Checkers is all me. And 213 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 4: he said, Chess, the female is the most powerful piece 214 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 4: on the board. I said to him, let's get on 215 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 4: with the classes. Not only did he play the female 216 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 4: card on me, but he played the female card from 217 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: the bottom of a debt, and I was hooked like 218 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: a book. 219 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: I have a question. I think I remember reading the 220 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 3: Checkers is solved And in big time checkers tournaments, when 221 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 3: you sit down to the board, they actually have predetermined 222 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 3: the first five moves for each side, because a great 223 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 3: checkers player will know after the first move who's gonna win. 224 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 3: Have you ever heard that? 225 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: Never heard that, But I do know that check checkers, 226 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: you're using half of the board, and so it's not 227 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: and every piece moves the same, every piece moveth is saying, 228 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: and life is not every piece of the same. Everybody 229 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: is complicated, and there's sometimes to get to your goals, 230 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 1: there's not a straight line. And so that's what I 231 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 1: teach young people. I teach people sometimes you got to 232 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: go up, over and to the left because everything, all 233 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: your goals is not gonna be a straight line. It's 234 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: not gonna be cut and dry. 235 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: You have a lot of cool little sayings. You just 236 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: dropped the first one on do it again? What was it? 237 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 3: What did you just say? 238 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: Pattern recognition? 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 3: You had a euphemism you just used. You said, what 240 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 3: do you say? 241 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: Everything is not the same? You have different, you got 242 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 1: different you know everything moves to different. You gotta go 243 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: up and over and to the left, and that your 244 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: success is not a straight line. That you have to 245 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: you got to you got to be flexible with your 246 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: with your goals, and you got to be willing to 247 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: think it through. Impulsivity will take you out. Don't do 248 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: the first thing that pops in your head. 249 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: Which is you using the game of chust to teach lifeless. 250 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: Teaching young people life lessons. How to wake up winning? 251 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: How do you wake up winning? You? You make sure 252 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: the moves you make add value to others because what 253 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: you do comes back multiply to you. And you got 254 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: the pause, you got the ponnah, You got to pivot, 255 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: You got to pray, proceed and then you prosper. But 256 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: if you do the first thing that pops in your head, 257 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: your first crack could be a whack and you can't 258 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: take it back. So think before you act. 259 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: Okay, that thing you just did that, Pause, pivot, do 260 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 3: that again. 261 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:52,359 Speaker 1: Pause, pontna, pivot, pray, proceed, prosper six magic words why. 262 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: And then you did the other one right behind it. 263 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: Don't do the first thing that pops in your head. 264 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Your first crack could be a whack and you can't 265 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: take it back. So think before you act. 266 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 3: I think that stuff that you just did right there, 267 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. What would you would you call 268 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 3: those colloquy? What would you call that? 269 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: Alex, Yeah, I was on I was CBS News Atlanta. 270 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: Came out into the story on me and said, oh 271 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: my god, this is amazing. So she went back to 272 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: the studio and said, this dude is This dude made 273 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: my job easy. So they came make out about eight 274 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: times and did it. It kept doing because I was 275 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: making a job easy because I love what I do, 276 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: and teaching the children makes my heart sing. And I 277 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: teach the children as though my life depends on them 278 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: because I owe my life to James Edge, because if 279 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't for him, I wouldn't even be alive because 280 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: I was making some bad moves. 281 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: So we're gonna go back to chronologically to get to 282 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 3: what we're talking about now. But it's funny. I don't 283 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 3: know if you know. The guy that wrote Rude off 284 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 3: the Red Nose Reindeer was a chess player. Don't remember 285 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 3: his name, but he did a lot of those things 286 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: that you just did as sayings. And one of my 287 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: favorite was watch your step, but don't step on your watch. 288 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 3: And he did a lot of those kind of sayings 289 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: and you've got a ton of them. So spoiler alert, 290 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: Orange's going to drop a whole lot of old fashioned 291 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 3: wisdom on you in the form of jingles and phrases. 292 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: And I don't know it's it's hilarious, all right. So 293 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: that your teacher, the white teacher you said that was 294 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: in your school. 295 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: His name James VG. 296 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: Okay, somehow he decided to pick you. 297 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: Well. I asked him about that. He said he got 298 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: in trouble when he was my age. Someone helped him 299 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: and he was paying it forward. And so I thank 300 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: God for James Edge because he took me to the side, 301 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: took me over to UAB, introduced me to players that 302 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: were much stronger than me. And I were afraid to 303 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: go there at first, and he said, listen, he said, 304 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: when you go here yet, I ain't gonna beat you up, 305 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: but you will get better. And so he taught me 306 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: the value of failure. And he told me the failure 307 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: was information that you succeed by learning and to make 308 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: it okay to fail. So when I went over to 309 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: UAB and played those guys. It really I remember being 310 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: I remember playing Stuart Rachel. He was on sixty minutes. 311 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: He's very good. 312 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: He's probably the best chess player in Alabama. I remember 313 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: playing Stuart Rachel and he gave me his queen on purpose, 314 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 1: and I was so happy, but. 315 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 3: He beat me. 316 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: He was a setup, he trapped me, and so I 317 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: learned early in life that wow, man, people will set 318 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: you up. You know, everything that's free is not free. 319 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: And he gave me this bait, which was his queen, 320 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: but he did it as a way of checkmating me. 321 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: So Stuart Rachel was on sixty minutes. He's international master, 322 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: he's probably he's a professor at the University of Alabama now. 323 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: And so I was able to beat Stuart Rachel's father. 324 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 3: But not Stuart Racher. No kidding, no, Rachel, dude. Are 325 00:17:57,640 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 3: usc F ratings still a thing? 326 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's live and well and you 327 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: have to be a member, and then you have to 328 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 1: play in tournaments. I played in the World Open and 329 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: I played in different tournaments. But my focus is not 330 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: about tournaments. My focus is what can I do to 331 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: teach young people to make the next move. The best 332 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: move Why, Because the moves you made determine the path 333 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: you take. A lot of our young people are being incarcerated. 334 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: So I'm doing everything I can to stop the celeration 335 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: of crime and violence and reduce the school to prison 336 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: pipeline because they're going from school to prison. Okay, so 337 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: there's so much here to unpick. But where was your dad? 338 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: My dad was there, but not there. My daddy had 339 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: three jobs, and so my daddy was never home. Now, 340 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: my daddy was a generalor in three different three companies, 341 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: So my daddy was never home because he had three jobs, 342 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 1: so he he was working. Yeah, my daddy was never there. 343 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: But my daddy, and fairness to my dad, he was 344 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: there for me. But he was as best he could 345 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: because he you know, when he was there, he was 346 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: sleep and he had three jobs. 347 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, I I get that you guys didn't have 348 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 3: much money with a dide working three jobs and a 349 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 3: and a mom with. 350 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: My mom never worked thirteen kids. How do you work 351 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 1: with thirteen Yeah? So, but it doesn't feel like you 352 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: would be a guy that would join a gang. Why 353 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: why did you try the game? It wouldn't it wouldn't 354 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: it was I'm gonna be honest with you. It was 355 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: mostly stealing food and tires. Food and tires, yeah, we would. 356 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: We were not tires, but the inner twos truck inter 357 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: twos we were still. We would steal those and sell 358 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: them for fifty cents. And we were steal food from 359 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: Greg's cookies. So that was It wasn't really a gang 360 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: like doing that bad. It was mostly survival. It was 361 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: like food and making money. So I was a business 362 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: owner where I steal tithes and sell them for fifty cents. 363 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: And I look back at my life. The guy who 364 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: the white guy who he was selling inner tudes too, 365 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: will be give them the fifth cents for everyone. We 366 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: steal them out under the trucks. He was getting over 367 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: on oh because those attitudes was we're born in fifty centh. 368 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: I look back at it now now, Oh, he was 369 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:24,199 Speaker 1: getting over on us. 370 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 3: And now a few messages from our general sponsors. 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So I started running chess there. 388 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: But James realized that I was following the follower, and 389 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: I was one of the younger guys in the gang, 390 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: and they would just say do this, let's do this, 391 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: let's steal these, let's do this, and I was basically 392 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: following the follower. So he intervened and taught me chesttheart, 393 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: teaching me to think for myself. And so that put 394 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: a spirit in me to make sure what I'm doing 395 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: is a product of my own conclusion and don't just 396 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: be a follower. 397 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: All right, So do you go to college? 398 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: No? 399 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: College. 400 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: I rode in college, but had a job opportunity that 401 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,959 Speaker 1: I couldn't turn down, and so I left college and 402 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: went to take the job. I was offered an assistant 403 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,400 Speaker 1: manager for Kenny Shoe Corporation, and I was making good 404 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: money at the time. Back then, it was good money, 405 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: and I took it. So I walked away from college 406 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: that because money was tough in the family. So I 407 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: just I did that. And then later I went into 408 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: the Air Force, and from the Air Force I went 409 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: into the state trooper, and then from state trooper I 410 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: started to be someone I mean started no, no, I'm sorry. 411 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 1: From state trooper, I went into Hudson on a sales, 412 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: which was a carb business, and then went from carb 413 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: business to be someone. 414 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 3: Okay, state trooper. How long seven years you were? You 415 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 3: were such a there's a dichotomy to you that's interesting, 416 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 3: and that people that are incredibly good at chess as 417 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: you are, you don't you don't you wouldn't expect them 418 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 3: to also in their professional life be a state trooper 419 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: or in the Air Force. It's usually professors and academics 420 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 3: and really really really highly educated folks. You're clearly really smart, 421 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: but you're your walk doesn't really parallel a chess master. Well, 422 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,679 Speaker 3: let's be tell me about how that dichotomy worked in 423 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: your life. 424 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: Well, let's be clear. I tell my students all the 425 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,199 Speaker 1: time I'm in pre K and what that means is 426 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm still learning. And I tell my students all the 427 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: time that I've lost more chess games than anyone alive, 428 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 1: and I brag about it because failure is your friend. 429 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Failures information, Failure tells you what to do next. And 430 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: so while I'm not that good, I've beat a lot 431 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: of famous people in chess because I've to stop. 432 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 3: I failed. Not to interrupt you, but no, I failed 433 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, failing, failing. Learning from failure leads to success, 434 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: I get it. But when you beat a lot of 435 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 3: really good players, you are good well chess. I mean, 436 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,680 Speaker 3: don't undersell this, because that's I mean. Didn't you beat 437 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 3: the Georgia state champion? 438 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, but here here's the deal. His name is 439 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: Stephen behind me. 440 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 3: But anyway, yeah, I have you just lost right over there? 441 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah I have. But at the same time I tell 442 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: my students that I'm in pre k because really, really, 443 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: in fairness, I'm working progress and I have my moments. 444 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: I beat one of the top rushing grand messers in 445 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: the world. Why because his name is Rashid zi Ethnov. 446 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: And the reason I and it this time Russian. Yeah, 447 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: at this time he had won more tournaments in the 448 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: United States than anyway. 449 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 3: You can google it to come up. 450 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: But the only reason I would beat him is that 451 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: I saw an opportunity where I sacrificed the rook for 452 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: a pond, which is a five. Gave up five for one. 453 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: And people have opportunities all the time, but the purpose 454 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: of your life is to seize that moment right then, 455 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: right there, because that moment will go away and that 456 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: when the opportunity will no longer be there. So I 457 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: took advantage of an opportunity. He took the rook and 458 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: game over. You can't you can't take it. So sometimes 459 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: when people do something, you can't hit back because if 460 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: you hit back, the roferee gonna call a foul on you. 461 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: So teach my children, don't celebrate into the referees in 462 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: this car. And if the referee. 463 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 2: Cars, celebrate to the referees of the car. 464 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: And if the referee car doesn't start, keep your helmet 465 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: on to the record, get there, do not you know, 466 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: we don't you know, we don't we up twenty points. 467 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: We're not gonna celebrate, you know. And the Lanta Facons 468 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: was up twenty eight points against the Patriots and they 469 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: lost the game. Now if I was a code and 470 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: no way, because we don't, we don't celebrate. We gonna 471 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: play like we a million points. Always play like you 472 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: a million points behind. That way, you won't get complacent, 473 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: you won't celebrate, and you'll keep your foot on the pedal. 474 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 3: And that's life. That's life, you know. 475 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: That's why I tell my studentom in pre k, never never, 476 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: never unestimate your opponent. If I'm in pre k, I'm 477 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: not gonna I'm never gonna underestimate you. I'm gonna play 478 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 1: like I'm in pre k, and I'm gonna take advantage 479 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: of every opportunity, and I'm gonna manage my resources. Chess 480 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: is not about chess. Chance is about manager and resources. 481 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: The opposite of wealth is not poor, and the opposit 482 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: of the wealth is mismanagement and resources poor. As a 483 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: reflection of how you manage a resources, you have everything 484 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: you need to win the game. You have your mind, 485 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 1: you have your ability, you have your talents, and you 486 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: have time. But you have to manage your resources properly. 487 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: To have and not to manage properly is not the hair. 488 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: Whatever you mis manage, you will lose. 489 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 3: When I first heard about you, I thought we were 490 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 3: going to talk about your efforts teaching chess to kids 491 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 3: to help them get smarter and find a different thing 492 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 3: to do in their life. That was positive. When I'm 493 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 3: starting to gather real quickly is really it's not about chess. 494 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: It's not about it's less about chess. It's more about character. 495 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: They called me the full X guy. What that means is, 496 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you four times more value than you 497 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: give me. When you guys invited me to come in, 498 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something for the community on me, you know. 499 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: And I went over to this peer academy why because 500 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna always give you way more than you give me. 501 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: That's my brand and that's what I teach children. I 502 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: cheat children that you can have anything you want if 503 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: you add more value to the next person. Because if 504 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: you constantly making the post, constantly making the pother and 505 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 1: walk away when you get ready to make a withdraw. 506 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: Your request will never be denied because you gave way 507 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: more than you asked for. How long were you a 508 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: state trooper? Seven years? Had the joy that I loved it. 509 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: I had the blue light, the bad the bulletproof vets. 510 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: But everybody I stopped, I treated them like the most 511 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: important person in the world. Here's why what you sincerely 512 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: desire for others, what happened for you. People don't understand that. 513 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: People don't understand it that when you stop that per 514 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: that person is you. You're a Georgia State true. Now 515 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: was an Alabama state trooper Alabama states. 516 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 3: All right, Right now, I've got my four kids in 517 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: the car and Lisa and they are four, five, six, 518 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 3: and seven, and we're going from Memphis down the Gulf Shores, 519 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: Alabama to the beach for the week. All right. I 520 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 3: want you to imagine that, because I've done that, and 521 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 3: about two hours in, I'm ready to jump out the 522 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 3: car window from the kids. Are we there yet? Throwing stuff? 523 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 3: I got a pee and I'm just I've had enough already, 524 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: right And so I passed through Birmingham where all that 525 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 3: construction was, you know, and now I'm headed down toward 526 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 3: what's the name of that town, the where you cut 527 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 3: over the Gulf Shores. I'm headed down. I'm about to 528 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: go through Foley, okay, all right, And because kids are 529 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: driving me crazy, it's a sixty five and I'm doing 530 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 3: eighty four. 531 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: And you light me up nineteen over okay, yeah, and 532 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: you light me up. How do you approach me? Well, 533 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: first you come to the car. I'm not gonna let 534 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: the kids know I'm gonna write to you. I'm not 535 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: gonna let them not say I want to talk to 536 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: you about something and it's not that bad. Now the 537 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: kids think it's cool. You really say that, yeah, yeah, 538 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: because I don't want I've never heard that. Well, you 539 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: are mean, so I gotta treat you like you mean. 540 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna let them know I'm gonna write 541 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: you a ticket, okay, because I want them to I 542 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: want you to feel I want them to feel, you know, 543 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: respected by you. So I say it's not that bad. 544 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: I just want to talk to you a quick second. 545 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: And so now they think, oh, it's cool. So now 546 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: when you go back to the kids, you can tell 547 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: them if you want. I'm not gonna let them see anything. 548 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let them see you get so. So 549 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: now I painted the picture to them that everything's cool. 550 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: They just want to talk to you for a brief 551 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 1: second about something. And so now they don't know what 552 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. And what I tried to do is 553 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: some kind of way I tried to make you win. 554 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I may write you the ticket or whatever, 555 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you're gonna you're 556 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: gonna feel good about how I handled it because I 557 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: handled it with dignity, respect and honor, and I gave 558 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: you the benefit of the doubt. Let me give you 559 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: an example when that happened. I gave this guy some 560 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: mercy on the ticket. He was going like a hundred 561 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: and I think I put eighty eight on him whatever. 562 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 1: He was going on a hundred, and I put like, 563 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 1: because if he goes at the judge want to see him. 564 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: She want me towards car. So I bumped it down 565 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: so that didn't have to toward car. And I ain't 566 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: because you mean. So I said, listen, I'm gonna I'm 567 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: gonna save you about two thousand dollars on this transaction. 568 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: I could put a hundred, but I'm not gonna do it. 569 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna treat you like you mean. I'm gonna put 570 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 1: eighty eight. Let you mail this fine end. Oh man, 571 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: thank you. He said wow. He said, what's your name? 572 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: I said, I'm Hunting. He said, is your daddy Jeron Hunting? 573 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: I said yes. He said, wow. We about to fire 574 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: him for drinking on the job. I'm gonna rip his 575 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: paperwork up. He ripped my daddy's paperwork up because I 576 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: put out good, and good comes back, and that's what 577 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: people need to learn. The good happen that really happened. 578 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: The good you do comes back to you. So between 579 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,720 Speaker 1: me and you, I never seen my daddy drink, and 580 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: I really don't believe it. I believe my daddy was 581 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: set up by somebody giving him a beer. And he 582 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: don't eat. My daddy don't drink, but somebody must have 583 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: set him up. He worked at a golf club and 584 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: some probably one of the golfers, gave him a beer 585 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: and he drunk it and he and they caught him 586 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: drinking it and they fired him. But I never know 587 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 1: my daddy to drink. So but anyway, the bottom line 588 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: is the guy had my daddy's paperwork on this. They 589 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 1: was gonna find my daddy. They did. He ripped it 590 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: up or whatever. My daddy retired, got his retirement check 591 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: and everything, because a good deeds never lost. Now, my 592 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 1: daddy had a third grade education, and my daddy taught 593 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: me that a good deed is never lost. And that 594 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 1: played out in his life and in my life, and 595 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: it benefited him and me both. 596 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 3: Did you ever pull over somebody belligerent and difficult? 597 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've throwed over this guy that I knew 598 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 1: that was belligerent. I wrote him a warning ticket. He 599 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: took the wanting because it wasn't that bad. He took 600 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: the wanting ticket and threw it out the winter on 601 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: the ground. I took it back and wrote him a 602 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 1: real ticket. So he learned the hard way. Yeah, I said, 603 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: I gave you a warning ticket and you gonna throw 604 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: it on the ground in front of me. Now I'm 605 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna change it to a real ticket. 606 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: Now you're gonna pay it. So, yeah, he was religerer, 607 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: but he learned the hard way. 608 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 3: So even as a trooper, you were still trying to 609 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 3: find ways to serve them well. 610 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: When I worked at Kenny Shoes, I was trained at 611 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: the customer's always right. Well, when I went to State 612 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: trooper school, they told me the customers always wrong, otherwise 613 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: you've got no besiness stopping them. But so in my blood, 614 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: I've always tried to make sure that the customer was 615 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: always right, and I always tried to treat people better 616 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: than I wanted to be treated. And I guarantee you 617 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: there are some people out there that I stopped to 618 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: go that dude gave me mercy, because that's really what 619 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: it's all about. We all are one, that we're connected one. 620 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: You know, we all are connected, and I cannot be 621 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: without the being to you or what you ought to be. 622 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: So we're in the connected. 623 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 3: Oh, I want to go off topics so bad and 624 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: talk about police reform with you. We'll be right back. 625 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 3: From your perspective growing up, from your perspective is a 626 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: black trooper in Alabama, and from your perspective of what 627 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 3: you do today and the kids that you serve, which 628 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 3: we will get to. There's a real hot topic that 629 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,200 Speaker 3: we all are dealing with right now, which is police reform. 630 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: And they old reform and das out there that won't 631 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: prosecute certain crimes, but that's leading to more and more 632 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 3: petty theft, and many of our countries we're having retailers 633 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 3: like Target and Walgreens shut down because they're literally having 634 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 3: their profits stolen. People are brazen enough to just walk 635 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 3: in the door and take stuff and walk out. So 636 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 3: I completely get on the one side, there should not 637 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 3: be any segment of our population if fears law enforcement. 638 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 3: Law enforcement is paid for by the tax dollars that 639 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 3: we earn, and they are there to protect and serve us, 640 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 3: not to abuse us. But on the other side, we 641 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 3: can't get so soft on crime that then we lose 642 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 3: a civil society. And I'll be honest with you, I'm 643 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 3: really torn on it. From your perspective of your service, 644 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 3: where you come from being a black trooper in Alabama, 645 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 3: what do you think about the situation we're in nationally 646 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 3: as we continue to struggle with this thing. 647 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: I think it goes back to home training and just 648 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: always make sure you're giving what you take. I was 649 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: in a store in Vegas and a customer stole some 650 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: stuff and I'm with you. I'm standing in the officer 651 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: and I talk and we both see him. He said, 652 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: I'm not going to do anything or because if I 653 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: rested this guy, he gonna be back. He going to 654 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: be out on the street and he'd be back in 655 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 1: here next day. Still, and I'm like, wow, he actually 656 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 1: let the person steal the stuff and go and because 657 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: he said it was it wasn't worth it. So we 658 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: got to figure out if he arrested him, he gonna 659 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000 Speaker 1: be back. Aren't even gonna keep him? So why waste 660 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: my time? Why waste my time? He gonna be back, 661 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: And that's a problem. Shouldn't that guy serve thirty days 662 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: or something? That's a big there's a big disconnect, and 663 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: that's a big problem. I think we got to go. 664 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: I think it starts in the family, and I think 665 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,399 Speaker 1: we need to We need a father and a mother 666 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 1: in the home. We got to teach these children how 667 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,840 Speaker 1: to respect authority and how they don't abuse the system. 668 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: And I think we gotta, we gotta. We need police reform. 669 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: We need sensitivity, sensitivity training for the officers. Word officers 670 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: can say, listen, uh, let's let's let's do the right thing. 671 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: I don't want to shoot and kill nobody who's on arm. 672 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm not doing that because it's me. I want to 673 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 1: make sure this address I'm going to, this house is right, 674 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 1: check double check, triple check. Never assume, question everything, Inspect 675 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: what you can expect, control what you can control, and 676 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: impact everything else. I think we got to figure out 677 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: a way to educate the community and if someone steals 678 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: some it's got to be a consequence for it. That 679 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: is such common sense. Why is that so hard? Just 680 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: people don't get it, and a lot of people don't understand. 681 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: I was telling Alex a day that a lot of 682 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 1: the children, I was glad to help those children at 683 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: Pure Academy because I'm teaching these children that don't do 684 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: the first thing that pops in your head. Usually your 685 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 1: first thought is inferior. And we got to think it 686 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,800 Speaker 1: through and we got to make sure that we're giving, 687 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: not taking. And I tell them all the time that 688 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to set what you're gonna do and 689 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: then do the total opposite, because the opposite is probably 690 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: the real answer. A gambit, it's a gambuit. Like when 691 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: I gave up. I was telling my students at Peer Academy, 692 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 1: I said, I sacrificed two queens in one game. I 693 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,879 Speaker 1: sacrificed my course queen, I promoted got another. I took 694 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 1: my pund down. I sacrificed both queens. You can google this, 695 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: it's it's on YouTube. I sacrificed two queens to win 696 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: the game. And sometimes in life, you got the gammeut 697 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: you gotta give up, you gotta give, you gotta give 698 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: to get, and oftentimes you got to give up your 699 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: your most precious possession to win the game. I learned 700 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: this from Magic Johnson. Magic Johnson was playing for the 701 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Lakers and Kareem up du Jabal got hurt 702 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 1: and went out, and the whole team was holding their 703 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: head down there with the press, and Magic Johnson said 704 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: to them, there's no need to fear. Magic is here 705 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: to go. You shut up, rookie, you don't know what 706 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about. But he said, listen, no defeat. Magic's here. 707 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: He scored forty two points, had fifteen rebounds in ten 708 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:42,440 Speaker 1: a cents. 709 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 3: He did it. 710 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,240 Speaker 1: But they didn't believe him because he was a rookie. 711 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: And they said, so sometimes when you sacrifice your most 712 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: precious possession, you still can win. 713 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 3: All right, So why did you leave law enforcement? 714 00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 1: I left law enforcement because I had Hudson Auto Sales. 715 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: And when I had Hudson, all of sales, it was 716 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 1: a business, was car business. Or body shop, and I 717 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: sold cars and I was making a lot of money, 718 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,439 Speaker 1: so it was it was it was an income deal 719 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,480 Speaker 1: where I was losing money as a trooper. So I 720 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: took my I switched gears and did the Hudson all sales. 721 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: And then later seven people were shot on a robbery 722 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 1: in Queens, New York. And that was the turning point 723 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 1: in my life for me to say, you know what, 724 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: bad things continue to happen when concerned people failed to 725 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,760 Speaker 1: make boss moves. I made a ball smooth and started 726 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: to be someone to teach young people to put brains 727 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: before bullets. 728 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 3: All right, So we got to concentrate on that, because 729 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,319 Speaker 3: that is the transition to what you're doing now you're 730 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,440 Speaker 3: in Atlanta or Birmingham. I was. 731 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: I was in Birmingham when this happened. So Hudson Auto 732 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: Sales in Bingham, Sir, all right? Why because seven people 733 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: were shot in Queen's dude running a car company in Birmingham. 734 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: It was it was on the news, and it was 735 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: on news, and it was the turning point in my 736 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: life because I was like, wow, actually May twenty four, 737 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: It was May twenty four, two thousand and when I 738 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: saw that on the news. It was it was. It 739 00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: struck a chord with me, and I said, bad things 740 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: continue to happen when people like you and I feel 741 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: to take action. So I took action and started to 742 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,000 Speaker 1: be Someone to kind of do what I can to 743 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: stop the cceleration of crime and violence and reduce the 744 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: scooter prison pipeline because our kids are just making bad decisions. 745 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,640 Speaker 1: And I later found out that the guy city, he 746 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: was real slow and he was basically doing what the 747 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: guy told him to do when they. 748 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:39,160 Speaker 3: Robbed the place. 749 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: So we got to teach children how to think for 750 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: themselves and how to make sure that what they're doing 751 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: is a product of their own conclusion and don't just 752 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,400 Speaker 1: follow the follower. 753 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 3: So you literally shut down your business and started a 754 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,439 Speaker 3: nonprofitly Someone. 755 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,959 Speaker 1: I really shut down my business started a program called 756 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 1: Be Someone. That's kind of do everything I can teach 757 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: children that bad things happen when you do bad things. 758 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,960 Speaker 3: Thirty thousand foot view What is be Someone? 759 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: Be Someone is a youth development program dedicated to teaching 760 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: children that your moves matter and that the moves you 761 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: make determine the path you take, and that you have 762 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: everything you need to be successful. You just got to 763 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: make sure you use them properly and make sure you 764 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: do no harm. Just be a good human being, be 765 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: all God created you to be, and never settle for 766 00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,160 Speaker 1: less than you can be. 767 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 3: So tell me the first time you walked in to 768 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 3: a school or a community center, or tell me that 769 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,000 Speaker 3: thing that you did first for be someone where you 770 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,280 Speaker 3: went into a bunch of inner city kids and started 771 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 3: talking chess. I got to believe folks looked at you 772 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:47,800 Speaker 3: kind of crisy. 773 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: Yes they did, and I realized that. So what I 774 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: did was I created a rap song, the kind of 775 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: you've got to be kidding, Yeah, beca My friend at 776 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,879 Speaker 1: the times said they ain't listening, or I said, she said, 777 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: you gotta do something. So I created a rap song 778 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: to meet them where they are before I can get 779 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: them to go where I want them to go. 780 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 3: Say that what you just said, you got to meet that, 781 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 3: that's nowhere in your bio. That is exact range. That 782 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 3: is what I say. Say it again. 783 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: You got to meet people where they are in order 784 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: to get them to go where you want them to go. 785 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,399 Speaker 1: So they rapping, So I come up, I can rap 786 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 1: better than you. Coach you can rap? Yeah, I don't 787 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: know how to rap, but I came up. 788 00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 4: I had. 789 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: You got to meet from where they are. I mean, 790 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 1: if they've been arrested. You got to get arrested for something. 791 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: You got to meet people where they are. Hey, have 792 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: you been arrested? Okay, I've been arrested. So I met 793 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,759 Speaker 1: them where they are. I'd be someone. You got to 794 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 1: get in the game. I'm range C. Hudson. It's time 795 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: for a change and make the right moves in this 796 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: game called life. Think before you move and always be nice. 797 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,959 Speaker 1: And when the game get tough and times get rough, 798 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,960 Speaker 1: never give up, because what more than enough? Practice every day, 799 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: duck correct way, always better your best before you play. 800 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 1: Got to get in the game. Get in the game. 801 00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,680 Speaker 1: Say it, and they say, get in the game. Get 802 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 1: in the game. Get your head in the game, heading 803 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: the game, said, head in the game, heading the game. 804 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: Stay in the game, Stay in the game. Say it. 805 00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,719 Speaker 1: Stay in the game, Stay in the game. Get on 806 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 1: top of your game, top of your game, top of 807 00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 1: your game. What game? 808 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,759 Speaker 3: What game? 809 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: The game or life? The game or life. Chance is 810 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 1: more than a game. If a test you can pass, 811 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,200 Speaker 1: pay attention and learn from mistakes in the past. Everybody 812 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: for the winner when you know the truth. It's all 813 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: about learning and you are living proof, dropping a demo 814 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,279 Speaker 1: on today's youth. I'm just like you. There's nothing we 815 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: can't do. Be willing to make mistakes in times you 816 00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: get better. Do whatever it takes. Back down, never get 817 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,440 Speaker 1: in the game, and don't be afraid. We all create 818 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: an equal black and white shades. Whichever way you made, 819 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: we all breathe the same, we all need the same. 820 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: So please be in the game. 821 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 2: Yeay, what do you think cash is? That's that's something 822 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:55,160 Speaker 2: right there. 823 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:55,440 Speaker 4: Now. 824 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: See that's why I guess I never won a state 825 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 1: championship but never could wrap to my players. 826 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 3: That's awesome. So you will introduce yourself to rumor kids 827 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 3: that way. And by the time you're through with that, 828 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 3: they're looking at you like all right. 829 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I put a thousand dollars challenge on the table. 830 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,799 Speaker 1: They beat me to get a thousand dollars, So they 831 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: trying to win a thousand dollars and they can't beat it. 832 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: They can't do it. They're trying. I'm coming back in 833 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,719 Speaker 1: the morning. That will get that thousand dollar. I said. 834 00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:28,880 Speaker 1: But see, I said, look, I'm in pre k So 835 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: when I leave here. I'm going back to my laboratory 836 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna study because if I don't, you'll beat 837 00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,319 Speaker 1: me tomorrow. So I got to pretend that I'm in 838 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,880 Speaker 1: pre K school is never out for the pro And 839 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,560 Speaker 1: I gotta always be on top of my game every day. 840 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,239 Speaker 1: I gotta get a little bit better every day. I 841 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 1: got to get a little bit better. Why because if 842 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: I don't, You're gonna get a thousand dollars tomorrow. 843 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 3: And that concludes part one of my conversation with Warren Hudson. 844 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 3: And you don't want to this part two. That's now 845 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:07,800 Speaker 3: avable to listen to. Guys, together, we can change this country. 846 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 3: But it really does start with you. I'll see you 847 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:17,360 Speaker 3: in part two.