1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is always as 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and that makes the Stuff you 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Should Know the podcast the Chimpagze centric podcast. Frequently I 7 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: told you about the time that chimp held my hand, right, Yeah, 8 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: that was just the best thing ever. Yeah, I mean 9 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: I think about it today, my heart melts a little, 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: just a little, just a little. You're a weepy guy. Yeah, 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,319 Speaker 1: there's like ten twelve years ago, and it's still it's 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: worn off. Yeah, it's still melting though by degrees. Do 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: you think it will melt forever? Every time I think 14 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: of that little chimp holding my hand, it will melt 15 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: a tiny bit. Why don't you just go buy a 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: chimp and you can have it happen all the time. Dude, 17 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: if I didn't have three dogs in two cats, I 18 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: would have a chimp in my house. Would you really 19 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: even after that one story? Um, remember when we started 20 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 1: blogging it happened that chimp or something. Yeah, I would 21 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: because that was such a big deal that made the news. 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 1: And I don't think it just that didn't happen all 23 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: the time. Okay, I would totes have a chimp. When 24 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 1: did you start talking like that? You're talking like my 25 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: friend Adam and it's unvous. Oh yeah, I think it's funny. 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: It's like that, like everything's abbreviated. Yeah, yeah, Emily, and 27 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 1: not do that I totes on the totes train. Yeah 28 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: are you? I just think it's funny. Don't start saying 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: natsch Okay, Oh that's old school, though I know. I 30 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 1: still don't like it. All right, I never did toads. 31 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: I can handle more than natch. Okay, Okay, you're ready, Yes, okay, Chuck. 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I want to tell you about a certain lady. Her 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: name is Wenka okay, and she has kind of a 34 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: rough life story. She was born into a family and this, 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: or you might say, um. She was born in nineteen 36 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: fifty four and when she was just two years old, 37 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: her mother died after being mistakenly poisoned. Her um mother's father, 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: her grandfather, uh He was a morphine adict who died 39 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: as a result of his addiction. Her grandmother, maternal grandmother 40 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: died of dysentery um on. Her father said she was 41 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: one of forty grandkids. You believe that she was adopted 42 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: out at a very young age, but returned back home 43 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: at age three. At fifteen fifteen, she had her first daughter, 44 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: and her daughter was born with Down syndrome. She died 45 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: at seventeen months. Eventually, Winkle went on to have another boy, 46 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: and a boy and another girl. Um, and here's the 47 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: mind blowing part. She's a chimpanzee. Yes, I actually see that. 48 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and I know I was sitting there like, 49 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: how is there a way to do this? At the 50 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: top of the Chimp podcast. That's not somebody not know 51 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: because it sounded like you were talking about a human story. 52 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: But think about all of the stuff that her family 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: went through if they were humans, wouldn't she feel pretty 54 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: bad for well, feel bad for Whanka to And here's 55 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: why she is, as far as anyone knows, the oldest 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: primate in captivity that's still being used for research. And 57 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: she was here in Atlanta. Well, she's born in ninety 58 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: and she's been experimented on ever since. She went back 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: to the Yorkes Primate Institute at age three, and her 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: mom the one who was mistakenly poisoned. Was one of 61 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: the original ones that yer Keys got his hands on 62 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: in the what the forties, right, Well, in the twenties, yes, 63 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: is Robert Yorke's started messing around with behavioral research, not 64 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: as much medical research. No, And at first you think like, oh, well, 65 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: that's that's way better. But if you have you looked 66 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: into some of the behavioral experiments that they were conducting, 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not fun. So like one one young 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 1: UM chimp from I believe for this, the first thirty 69 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: six months of his life had UM like plastic or 70 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: some sort of obstruction over his hands and his feet, 71 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: so he couldn't use either of them for the first 72 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: three years of life. A lot of social isolation, like 73 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: chimps spent the first two or three years of life 74 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: without seeing, hearing, touching anybody else's. Yes, very much so, 75 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: wasn't it Little Albert? Yeah, a little Albert was on 76 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: a human though the fear conditioning UM the The equivalent 77 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: to that was UM Harry Harlowe's experimentation of separating UM 78 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: chimps from their mothers and then raising them with like 79 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: wire and co and fake reconstructions UM that they would 80 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 1: cling to and treat as their mother, because what he 81 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: found from these experiments is that moms are really important. 82 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: That's the saddus thing I've ever heard. All Right, So 83 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about we started this off well, I mean, 84 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 1: this isn't the brightest of topics, although the ending is 85 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: fairly uplifting. Past headed that way, Yeah, we won't ruin it, 86 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: so chuck, let me set you up here. Um, we 87 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: have only just in the last few years come to 88 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: to think that animals deserve some sort of um rights. Right. 89 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: It's a very new idea, isn't it. It is new Ish? Okay, 90 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: like maybe eighteenth century Newish. Yeah, England leads the way. 91 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Our British friends um past the first anti cruelty laws 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: against animals in well even before that, Jerry May Bentham 93 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: he wrote a paper on how animals could possibly suffer 94 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: and maybe we should start treating him differently late Sevre 95 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: kudos to him. Yeah, and did you know that he 96 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 1: is mummified and they bring his body out for uh 97 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: some annual dinner dancing with the stars at the college. 98 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: He's a judge at the College um where he was 99 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: a professor. They bring his body out for dinner every year. Wow, 100 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: an't that crazy? It's a little weird. Well, good for him. 101 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Um still looks great, by the way, does he really? So? 102 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: Peter didn't start until nineteen eighty A lot of people 103 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: might think that Pete has been around like since the sixties. 104 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 1: Fairly new, um. And then the American Society for the 105 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: Prevention of Cruelty to Animals was started in eighteen sixty six, 106 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: So pretty new in a world view, right, but a 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: big picture specifically, and that's general animal rights. Yeah, but 108 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: chimps in particular. Um. There. I guess the idea that 109 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: they may be deserve even more special rights than the 110 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: average lab rat um is based on something that's also 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: fairly recent, which is the discovery or the idea that 112 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: we share a tremendous amount of similarity with them. There's 113 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: no other animal that is closer to humans than chimps, right, Yeah, 114 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: I think the number is just over DNA sequence of 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: d N a face pairing. The other part. I can't 116 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: remember what it's called. Should have written that down. Well, no, 117 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: that's very like people throw that out like chimps are 118 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: similar to humans and that's very misleading. The like you said, 119 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: the genetic sequence of the chromosomes that we share or 120 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 1: that are similar in apes and humans are similar. We're not. 121 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: It's not like if you our DNA and put it 122 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: side by side, only two percent would be different. It's 123 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: not like that. And in fact, chimps have ten percent 124 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: more DNA than humans do I really, So that's that's 125 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: very misleaning to say. But the point is they are 126 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: very genetically similar, probably more than any other animal. And 127 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: we've known that since the twenties. Yeah, and similar enough 128 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: to that at a certain point people said, you know what, 129 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: We've experimented on human prisoners long enough and they say, 130 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: we can't do it anymore, which is a drag. So 131 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: let's get these chimps in here and uh give them disease. 132 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: And here we reached the title of the podcast. Um. 133 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: There As as much as we would like to think 134 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: that it is a very easy moral ethical question, like 135 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: should chimps be used for medical research, it's not because 136 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: if you, as we were saying before, if you like 137 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: walking around not having polio or hepatitis B, yeah, um, 138 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 1: you can go ahead and thank a chimp for volunteering. 139 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, wait, that was the absolute worst for it. 140 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: I could have used um for being a basically a 141 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: test animal on those vaccines, UM and treatments. Uh. Same 142 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: with contraceptives. Uh. If you like our understanding of addiction, 143 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: you can thank chimps for that. For being a space animal, 144 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: let's go ahead and call that out. That's where it 145 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: all began. The US Air Force said, Hey, we got 146 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: a space race going on. Let's go get some chimps 147 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: from the wild. Shoot him up into space, put him 148 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: in sled cars, test g forces on him. See what 149 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 1: can happen. Put him on the giz rocket sled. I 150 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: guess what's his face was getting a little tired at 151 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,599 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, I couldn't see because of all the 152 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: blood pooled in his retiness. So um pre NASA, the 153 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: Air Force went and got sick five chimpanzees from the wild, 154 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 1: and a lot of these chimps are used today are 155 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: descendants of those original chimps because they couldn't keep going 156 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: to get them. After the Site's Convention on International Trade 157 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: and Endangered Species and seventy five, which basically said like, 158 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: hey man, you can't just start going and grabbing chimpanzeezer 159 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: other animals out of the wild. They're in danger. Exactly. 160 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: So they started breeding these chimps, right they the ones 161 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: that they already had. After SITES was passed, they said, okay, 162 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: well we'll just start making them here in America, making 163 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: them made in America. And I did find it odd 164 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 1: or not odd, but a little like distressing that some 165 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:44,199 Speaker 1: of those with a lot of these chimps today are 166 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: descended from those original sixty because of breeding. And it 167 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: makes sense. But who knew, Well the same with yer Keys, 168 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: his primates that he had in the twenties, those original 169 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: four that was the captive breeding program as well. I 170 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 1: think he definitely supplemented them with um imports. Yeah, you know, 171 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: because it was prior to SITES. But he had you know, 172 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: bread bread, He bred them, they bred, they bred, They 173 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: did it um And like you pointed out, we should 174 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: uh say that yr kis is now in Atlanta here 175 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: in Emery University. After being in Florida for twenty some 176 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: eighty years, they moved to Atlanta and sponsored by Yale before. Yeah, 177 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: and they got two point five acres at the main 178 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: station here in Atlanta and then in Lawrenceville just up 179 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: the road they have the field station, a hundred and 180 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: seventeen acres of chimpanzee breeding and testing facilities. It's where 181 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: chimps go to get their drugs. Chimpanzees are endangered, their 182 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: native to Africa and uh because of their similarities, they thought, 183 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: you know this HIV thing in the eighties, maybe we 184 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: should start injecting these chimps and see how and if 185 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: they develop AIDS. That's what changed everything. The combination of 186 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: sites and the appearance of AIDS um combined with chimp similarity, 187 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: like really changed everything. We had a captive breeding program. 188 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: The federal government sponsored it, and so it became very, 189 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: very big and mysterious new disease. Yeah, the fear of 190 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: AIDS and HIV was so enormous that they within just 191 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: a few years of this captive breeding program that was 192 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: started by the National Institutes of Health in I think 193 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: maybe within a year two, there were I think five 194 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: chimps running around with HIV. The big problem was, as 195 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: we soon found out that while they can carry HIV, 196 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: and chimps are the only other animal besides humans that 197 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: can contract HIV because cats have their own, dogs have 198 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: their own um, other other apes and primates have their own, 199 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: but only but only humans and chimps can have HIV um, 200 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: we on the chimps don't get AIDS, they don't go 201 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: they don't move into full blown AIDS. Yeah, at least 202 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: not like humans do. And so it was kind of 203 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: a big failure on that front. And all the progress 204 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: we've made on AIDS rechurch has been because of human 205 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: experimentation basically or watching and seeing. Well, this is another 206 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: way to put it. Uh nine six The Animal Well 207 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: Welfare Act outline minimum care requirements for all animals and captivity. Right, 208 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: So these chimps were, you know, before the site's program, 209 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: the ones that they were importing, they still had some 210 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: sort of protection, but it wasn't you know, there weren't 211 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: that many bells and whistles. It was pretty pretty Southwest 212 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Airlines not really Singapore air you know. Uh, I would 213 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: thought you would have said, like Virgin Atlantic or something. 214 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: Singapore are really nice. Really, it's up there with like Emirates, 215 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Emirates Singapore Japan Airlines is pretty nice to concord. Remember that, Yeah, 216 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: we should do one on that. Do you remember the 217 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: time that Phil Collins played a show in London and 218 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: then Flute was it for live and he played two 219 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: shows and two different continents within each other. Awesome, Thank 220 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: you Concord, Thank you Phil Collins. Yeah, well, I thought 221 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: that might go without saying. I can just open my 222 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: shirt and shraining my t shirt to say that. And 223 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: by the way, that's a huge urban legend that he 224 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: saw his girlfriends rapist in the audience drowning not true. 225 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: Makes for a good story though. Yeah. All right, getting 226 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: back to Animal Welfare Act. You said it was didn't 227 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: have the bells and whistles, said temperatures had to stay 228 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: between forty and eighty five degrees fahrenheit, not bad, keep 229 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: him comfortable, Uh, gotta give him food and water. Gotta 230 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: isolate the sick ones, even though you can get a 231 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: waiver on that if they're supposed to be sick among 232 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: their their friends. Imagine that wasn't too hard to get 233 00:14:55,560 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that exception. And um, basically it applied to all chimpanzees 234 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: were both biomedical and behavioral research, which was good, and 235 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: all animals, any animal that's being experimented on, any warm 236 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: blooded animals or in captivity period. Okay, like I think 237 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: it had just applied to zoos and everything, gotcha, that's good. Yeah, 238 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: So we had that in place in sixty six sites 239 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: came along in seventy five, the chimpanzee breeding program came 240 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 1: along in and then when that collapsed and failed, UM, 241 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: the US government was like, oh, what are we gonna 242 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: do here? We've got literally hundreds of chips running around 243 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: with HIV there like if they come in contact with people, 244 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: especially sickos, they could spread right well and they don't 245 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: live to be twelve, no, sixty. Yeah, So that's and 246 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: they cost some money to you know, hows and fifteen 247 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: bucks a day, So it doesn't sound like a lot, 248 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: but it adds up. That adds up, especially when um 249 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: there was only about I think five hundred that had HIV, 250 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: but there was something on the order of like twelve 251 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: the undred that were that the government was responsible for. 252 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the failure of the HIV AIDS studies. Uh. 253 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: You can thank Jane Goodall um and groups like Peter 254 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: and the s p c A in the Humane Society 255 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: in the early eighties around this time when chimp research 256 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: was really at its peak, UM for kind of a 257 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: learning the public to the cruelty of animal testing and research. 258 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: The Army of the Twelve Monkeys. Yeah, you can thank them, 259 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: I did. It was Uh, we should talk a little 260 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: bit about the the Kalston or Colston Foundation um that 261 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: is now defunct. It was shut down in two thousand two. 262 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: And here's the deal. Uh, it's controversial depending on who 263 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: you asked. Frederick Colston was the guy who was a 264 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: toxicologist who helped develop tree meant for malaria and hepatitis 265 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: B and AIDS or it was a house of horrors 266 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: and he performed experiments on human prisoners and then moved 267 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: to chimps. And uh, you know when one test chimps 268 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 1: had their teeth smashed in with a steel ball so 269 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: they could practice reconstructed reconstructed dental surgery, nine three chimps 270 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: were cooked to death when the temperature in there and 271 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: this is New Mexico and their unmonitored enclosure topped a 272 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: hundred and forty degrees And since n three chimps and 273 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: I think forty like forty five animals and all died 274 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: quote unintended deaths at the Colston Foundation. So you know, 275 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: it sounds like some awful, awful thing going on. But 276 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: then again, he's developing these treatments for these awful diseases, 277 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: so it's a very dicey situation. But they were shut 278 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: down in two thousand two because uh, negligent care on 279 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: a lot of fronts and any any I mean, there's 280 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: there are plenty of people who have like a really 281 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: good um there. They have really good ground to stand 282 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: on by saying like any animal testing is bad and 283 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how well you treat these animals, like 284 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be experimenting on where they put on this earth 285 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: to test to save humans. Some people back that. Some 286 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: people don't write UM. So oh you know, very recently 287 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: I saw UM. There was some researcher associated with the 288 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: Center for Great Apes. Yeah, yeah, apparently there's like a 289 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: number of them, uh, and one of them is in 290 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: Des Moines, and apparently somebody slashed the heels of UM 291 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: an infant chimp to keep it from being able to 292 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: stand upright. And this is like December, like a couple 293 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: of months ago. So one of the one of the 294 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: researchers acted as a whistleblower. Yeah, um or for a test, 295 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: not that I don't think that was the I don't 296 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: think that was the experiment. I think it was related 297 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: to it. But one of the researchers there was like, 298 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 1: I'm getting this chimp and all the rest of them 299 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 1: out of here and taking them down to another center 300 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: for grade eights UM, the main one in Florida. Yeah, well, 301 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: just to finish up on the Coulson Foundation. The good 302 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: news is, as of two thousand ten, about half of 303 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: the TCF chimps are now living at Save the Chimps, 304 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: which is basically where you want to be if you're 305 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: a retired chimp. Swinging, playing, running around, eating bananas, holding hands, 306 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: all that good chimp stuff. So well, let's talk about this. 307 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: That's the result of a sea change that was started 308 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: by Jane Goodall and and Peter and UM, a lot 309 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: of the Animal Liberation Front UM and Matthew Broderick. Yeah, 310 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: what was the name of that Project X? And interestingly, 311 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: real quick I just saw today. I didn't realize this 312 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: Project X was a movie that raised awareness for mistreatment 313 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: of chimps, obviously in medical reas, but Bob Barker at 314 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 1: the time accused them of mistreating animals on the set. Yeah, 315 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: here's a huge, huge animal cruelty guys. And he got 316 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 1: sued for defamation for that really yeah, and settled out 317 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: of court, actually against his wishes. He settled out of 318 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: court because he still believed that they were mistreated and 319 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: like said that they were like clubs and billy clubs 320 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: and batons used and they used like a snake to 321 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: scare the chimps and stuff to get reactions. Yeah, but 322 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: that was just a joke. That was just a you know, 323 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: a prank on set in between takes. But yeah, projects 324 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: go to see it, Hele and Hunt, go see it 325 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: in your in the theater near you in your time machine. 326 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: Did you see the Ferrespeuler commercial at the I saw 327 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: it out of the corner of my eye at the 328 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: superb Owl. Were you disgusted? Uh? I was looking forward 329 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: to it because I heard about it beforehand and it 330 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: was it was pretty bad. Yeah. Hey man, he's got 331 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: to support his kids. Oh dude, I'm sure he made 332 00:20:55,359 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: a mint good for him. Um. So, okay. We were 333 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: talking about Matthew Broderick in his career UM, which led 334 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: directly to a sea change in how people feel about 335 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: animal testing and specifically about chimpanzee testing UM, which is 336 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: kind of evidenced by the fact that Congress and its 337 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: endless ability to pass legislation with qut si names and acronyms. 338 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: This one was surprised me even in two thousand, Congress 339 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: pens the Chimpanzee Health Improvement, Maintenance and Protection Act. And 340 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: guess what that spells out, chimp. Yeah, they passed the 341 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: Chimp Act in two thousand and Basically this said your 342 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: captive breeding program was gone once a chimp is retired 343 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: from biomedical testing or behavioral testing. I believe too, you are. 344 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: You can't kill it, sorry, all those um monkeys running 345 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 1: around with HIV, you can't euthanize them. You have to 346 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: provide for their care for the rest of their lives 347 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 1: and natural natural lives, which is pretty cool. It's bad 348 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: enough that given them HIV, at least care for them. 349 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: But this extends only as far as I know to UM. 350 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: Federally funded chimp programs, pharmaceutical companies that own it's federally 351 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: funded in pharmaceutical companies. All the chimps in the United 352 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: States are owned by them. That aren't pets, I should say, um, 353 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: they pharmacutic companies exist outside of this act, of course, 354 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: So Josh, if I were to ask you how many 355 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: countries in the world in the world still experiment on 356 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: chimpanzees legally, what would be I would say? Since the 357 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: United States, since a um, it's such a standard bearer 358 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 1: of human rights and animal rights. Sure that if the 359 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: United States still allows it, at least ninety two a 360 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: hundred and five other countries allow testing on chimpanzees. Am 361 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: I right, you did a very good job of playing 362 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: them there. By the way, uh No, United States and 363 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 1: Gabon are the only two countries in the world that's 364 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: still performed biomedical testing on chimpanzees. Great Britain said no more. Uh. 365 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: Netherlands in two thousand two. I can't even speak Dutch. 366 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: That would be a travesty. Uh, Sweden in two thousand three, 367 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: Austria two thousand six, Japan two thousand six. Everyone said, 368 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: we're drawn a line in the sand. United States still 369 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: allows it. But two months ago, three months ago, December 370 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: of last year, big news, the n i H suspended 371 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 1: all new grants awesome for biomedical and behavioral research on 372 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: chimps or apes the great the great apes um which 373 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: by the chimps, the great apes are chimps, guerrillas, bona bows, 374 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: and orangutanes. Correct um. So they suspended all new grants. 375 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you can't test anymore. They basically 376 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: established some pretty rigorous criteria moving forward, which means it's 377 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: got to be necessary for human health and there must 378 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: be no other possible way to accomplish it. And basically 379 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: it's kind of being looked at as the beginning of 380 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: the end because they're finding that nowadays, with cultures and 381 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: cellular research, you don't need to experiment on chips anymore. 382 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: You can find out all you need to know Petrie dish. Yeah, 383 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,439 Speaker 1: the n I H said, hey, um, over the next 384 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 1: four years, we're gonna hypercharge our biomedical testing. So we 385 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: so we, like you said, it can just exist in 386 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: the Petrie dish from now and we don't have to well, basically, 387 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: single celled animals that are going to start to bear 388 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: the broad no far our desire ceaseless quest for immortality health. 389 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: But you can't hold the hand of an amiba. No, 390 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: but if you could, I'll bet it would melt you. 391 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: Hepatitis apparently is one of two areas that they think 392 00:24:55,240 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: it could still be useful for. And um, but it 393 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: sounds like they're genuinely phasing it out. That's great, it's 394 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: about time. After that it'll just be on gabone. So 395 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: hats off to places like Save the chimps and what 396 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: were some of the other ones. Uh, the Center for 397 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: Great Apes, which by the way, I don't want to 398 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: defame them at all, not even for legal reasons, like 399 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,479 Speaker 1: they do a good job. Um. I looked them up. 400 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: I looked up Save the Chimps, UM, Chimp Haven, the 401 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: Grade eight Project. I found one in Massachusetts. And if 402 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: you go on some of like the charity watches and 403 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: and ratings sites. Um, there's nothing bad for them, except 404 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: for the fact that they haven't filed with the I 405 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: r S even though they should for some reason. That 406 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: This Morning Star doesn't have anything on them. The Golden laptops, 407 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: but they they um, all of them seem to be legit. 408 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: But the Grade eight Project, the one that's mentioned in 409 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: this UM article that lobbies on behalf of the Great 410 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: Apes for testing and basically animal all right, they're located 411 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: in Brazil. Um, but keep thinking you're saying grape ape. Yeah, 412 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: the Great Pape Project, the Center for Grade Apes is 413 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: bona fide and good too. I couldn't find much on 414 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: anything that seemed to smack of like the Colston Foundation 415 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Yeah. Well, the Colston Colston Foundation 416 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: actually morphed into uh, save the chimps. Okay, so yeah, yeah, 417 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: that's in Florida, right yeah. Fort Pierce along with Chimp 418 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: Have then and the Fauna Foundation. Um there you know 419 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: they're chimp sanctuaries. It's a nice thing. Yeah, so I 420 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: guess go there, give him some money, ask in exchange, 421 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: um for a chimp to hold your hand. Um, do 422 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: not feed chimps antidepressants and keep them at your house? 423 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 1: Is that what happened to the one? Yeah? Remember the 424 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: woman was like, yeah, he's on anidepressants. He he he 425 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: shouldn't have done this, And everybody's like, wait, what did 426 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: you just say? She's like nothing, do you remember? I 427 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: don't remember the anti depressants. Yeah, it came out like 428 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 1: a coach onlike the Today Show or something like days after. 429 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: She was like, I had him on anti pressants. I 430 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,480 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. She was messed up too well 431 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: she oh yeah she was. It was pretty gnarmly. Oh 432 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: the yeah the victim, Yeah yeah that was something man. Okay, well, um, 433 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: we were all over the place there. If you can 434 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: figure out where we where we stand on this, hats 435 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,400 Speaker 1: off to you. You got anything else about chimps? Great 436 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 1: apes are the Four Great apes, chimpanzees and orangutang's uh maccaws, 437 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: that's a bird, my Cobbs, No, uh, Clint Eastwood, that's everywhere, 438 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: way but loose. That's an orangutan right now, right turn 439 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 1: Clyde Bonabo, bona bos or bonobo uh, orangutans, gorillas, and chimps. 440 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: That's right. In humans, Zippy the Chimp was my favorite 441 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: toy growing up. I had a little hand you could 442 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 1: squeeze and it made a little squeaky noise. So yeah, 443 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: that was my favorite little toy. Zippy the Chimp. Awesome. 444 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: I bet you I can get one an eBay, okay, 445 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: because mine is probably, you know, disintegrated. Because I'm ninety, 446 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: I'm glad somebody finally said, um, okay, well that's it 447 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 1: for chimps. Then. I was not expecting you to mention 448 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: that when I said, if you do you have anything else? Yeah, 449 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: I just actually I just remembered about Zippy the Chimp 450 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: first time I thought about that twenty some years. Okay. Um. 451 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about chimps and biomedical testing, 452 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: including the delightfully named Chimp Act of two thousand, you 453 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: can type in uh, what's it called chuck what happens 454 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: to chimps? Used the medical research or any one of 455 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: those Christen Conger right, yeah, she wrote, both of the 456 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: ones who recorded today this Hey Conger day in the 457 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: search bart how stuff works dot com and if let's see, 458 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I said how stuffworks dot com and search bar right now. So, 459 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: of course, as ever, without interruption or fail, it's time 460 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: for a listener and mail. Except what there's interruption and fail? What? Uh? 461 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: You wanted to talk about our million U? What is 462 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: it called the million March March for the millions? The 463 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: million dollar mark, million dollar March March for the millions. 464 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: That's good, too much of the million sounds more like 465 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: a car sweep steaks or something like that. The million 466 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: dollar March on Kiva Kiva team is rounding the band 467 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: towards towards having lent a million dollars. That's just baffling 468 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: to me. By the end of March, we're well on 469 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: the way, We're assured by Glenn and sonja um and 470 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: uh yeah we are the official team captains down. So 471 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: we set the goal. You set the golden shape. Yeah, 472 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: I typed it up. It's nice of you, um, but 473 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: we are not snobs are KEYPA. Team is extremely open 474 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: and accepting and if you'd like to join and Lenn, 475 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 1: don't just join. Why would you just join and not lend. 476 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: It's weird people do it. I get joining Facebook and 477 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: just stalking people right or just like sitting there and 478 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: saying like, Okay, I'm here, I'm not gonna do anything 479 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: on it. This is this, this is different. This team 480 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: is all about action, baby, just one loan, Just do 481 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: one loan or do several, um. But the team's very supportive. 482 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: The message board is very helpful. If you have any questions, 483 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: you can ask and people will tell you and you 484 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: can say, hey, I think this people need these people 485 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: need their loan fulfilled. Help them and people will go 486 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: and it's fun. It's cool. Um, but we are almost 487 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: two a million dollars and if you want to join 488 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: and help, you can join us on uh www, dot 489 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: k i v A dot org, slash team slash stuff 490 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: you should know and join up start lending and it'll 491 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: be cool. And you know, we don't mind if you 492 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: join up here at the last minute and kind of 493 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,239 Speaker 1: receive some of the credit as hey, I helped them 494 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: reach a million bucks even though I just joined a 495 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: month ago. Who cares? We love that well, yeah, bandwagon 496 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: ears are welcome. 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