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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Today we're breaking down the Golden Bachelor the women Tell

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Speaker 3: All episode, which who It was a shocking shocking episode

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Speaker 3: for me, not so much for Ben apparently, but let's

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Speaker 3: let's let's go through that same It was.

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Speaker 2: Ben Theresa this entire time, and I.

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Speaker 4: Was switched last week?

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Speaker 2: Yeah you did? You did?

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Speaker 4: I said, Hey, he said stuff to Faith that he

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Speaker 4: didn't say to Teresa. I don't think I can put

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Speaker 4: my eggs in Teresa's basket. Now. I am a Faith guy,

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Speaker 4: I'm a Leslie guy, and we're running with this. However, ultimately,

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Speaker 4: you know what, Hindsight's twenty twenty guess who's right? I

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Speaker 4: was right right not last week, guys.

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Speaker 2: I said it on my Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I felt like this was a two thousand and aughts

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Speaker 3: episode of American Idol, like a Chris Daughtry elimination to me, okay,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, taken aback, and you know, well,

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Speaker 3: I just I want answers from Gary. I didn't get

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Speaker 3: enough last night. I want to know why he chose

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Speaker 3: Theresa over Faith who he announced his love for But first,

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Speaker 3: before we get to that stuff, and we have another

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Speaker 3: Grandma on this week and we'll talk to her about

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Speaker 3: the faith elimination, let's talk about just the women not

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Speaker 3: really telling all because they are all very happy and

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Speaker 3: love each other and love Gary. Still there's no animosity

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Speaker 3: amongst any of these ladies, and they still all were like,

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Speaker 3: Gary would love to be with him.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, have we ever seen in a tell like this? Never?

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Speaker 2: So it was really sweet.

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Speaker 4: It was sweet. Now, a few things that we need

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Speaker 4: to touch on. One I think is the hot seat

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Speaker 4: with Joan and Joan it was a lot more emotional

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Speaker 4: than I expected. That one was probably the biggest surprise

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Speaker 4: other than face Obviously emotion coming out I didn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: get surprised by because I expected in a sense. But

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Speaker 4: Joan to me was sitting there. I mean she said

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Speaker 4: the words. There were days I drove home and thought

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Speaker 4: you might be sitting on my doorsteps. No. I think Joan,

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Speaker 4: if given the more appropriate situation, would have been like Gary,

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Speaker 4: like I want to make this work with you now,

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Speaker 4: and I think we can make it work. There has

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Speaker 4: been a turmoil in her soul. It felt like that

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Speaker 4: she was trying to express to him on stage.

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Speaker 2: She wanted to be respectful at the same time. You

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Speaker 2: could tell she.

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Speaker 4: Did a great job at it, but it was deeper

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because didn't she say something like I don't want

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Speaker 3: to like she wanted to touch him too, just like

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Speaker 3: Faith did, but like she was like, oh, I think

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Speaker 3: she in her head was like, oh, you're probably you're

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Speaker 3: with somebody, so I want to respect her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is really sad.

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Speaker 3: Her daughter had bad case of Postparwerm depression, so she

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Speaker 3: had to go home after a one on one with him, and.

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Speaker 2: Man, it's just the timing.

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Speaker 3: And she says when asked by Jesse whether or not

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Speaker 3: and she said yes, but we'll never know unless something happens,

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Speaker 3: which was Gary, we don't want this to happen, not

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Speaker 3: rooting for it. But if Gary doesn't end up with

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Speaker 3: this lady that he ends up with, I could see

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Speaker 3: him going to one of his past contestants, particularly Joan,

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Speaker 3: because he didn't get a full run with her.

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Speaker 4: Sure. Actually, I agree with what you're saying. I understand

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Speaker 4: what you're saying. I do think that's true. I think

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Speaker 4: there's only a few that he'd be interested in doing

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Speaker 4: I do still think Faith is one of those. I

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Speaker 4: think his second choice is going to be one of those. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So those three basically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because it felt like a lot of the Ellen

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Speaker 3: I feel like he wanted it to be with Ellen.

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Speaker 3: He wanted to feel it with Ellen.

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Speaker 3: It didn't compare to the other three, So I don't

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Speaker 4: Compare with And here's my also hope and thought actually

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Speaker 4: just like the show does for all of us. It

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Speaker 4: now are like, yeah, Gary, you're great, and I still

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Speaker 4: I'm excited about that. And so like, yes, we're not

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Speaker 4: do see what you're saying. There still is that care.

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Speaker 4: And I believe Gary when he says he loves these women.

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Speaker 4: I think he does. He says it to all of them,

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Speaker 4: I love you. I believe he feels it and means it.

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Speaker 2: Not to switch to switch gears. I got to talk

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Speaker 3: Jitter cameo, which was held by a phone by Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I still think it's good. I still think it's

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Speaker 2: It was still great.

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Speaker 3: Made everybody really happy, of course Susan, mostly because you know,

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Speaker 3: Chris gave her a special shout out.

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Speaker 3: It was It was cool because, like you can tell,

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Speaker 3: she's genuinely been following this season. And you touch on

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Speaker 3: that in our on our Bachelor in Paradise episode, you

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Speaker 4: Who told you that? Well, I watched the episode already

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Speaker 4: it was coming. But that was my big teasers. Yes,

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Speaker 4: Chris Jitter does make a cameo. I think it's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: The you know we're we are going to bring in

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Speaker 4: in the Bachelor or everything going on uh from this

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Speaker 4: on that you think is we're speaking of. I would

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Speaker 4: say the bloopers, Oh, okay, are really worth it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my sister loved the bloopers.

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Speaker 3: She was like, this is the greatest real that they've

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Speaker 4: I don't know, it's the gak onions. Maybe they could

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Speaker 4: it's the meat balls. I would just say this and this.

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Speaker 3: The other thing we need to talk about is sad,

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Speaker 3: very sad Ellen. Yeah, and Ellen, the loss of Ellen's

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Speaker 4: would be as you know, we get older, death is

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Speaker 4: huge fan of The Golden I think there's so many

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Speaker 4: it was the it was the best tell all that

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Speaker 3: This felt like enough to me, but every other episode

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Speaker 4: Oh easily, I mean she easily mind blowing.

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Speaker 3: She started the crowd with the calmed each other by

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Speaker 4: Maybe that's the secret to anti aging. Yeah, no, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but she looks amazing. I mean, honestly, all of these

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So last night was just a shocking episode.

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Speaker 3: We've already recapped it, but we want to know all

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Speaker 5: Okay, So I basically feel that this group of women

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Speaker 5: But it was fun. I enjoyed it. But I can

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Speaker 5: and you can't. I just feel, you know, I know

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Speaker 5: Gary is new at this, but yeah, you can't say

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Speaker 5: was Ellen? No, No, it was Faith? Which one? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: Faith is the one he he let go? Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: you see how she was crying? That's what my point is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I found it interesting because amongst our age group,

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And that's my point. It just that was

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Speaker 4: So three things I want to touch on with you

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Speaker 4: Do you also feel like this is what the fan

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Speaker 5: I don't you know. That's a really good question. I

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Speaker 5: think it is refreshing. Yeah, for a certain age group. Okay,

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Speaker 4: For me, is it more comedic, like does it make

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I'm not as emotional. It depends on the person. Like

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Speaker 4: In fact, we have some characters that may be disrupted,

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Speaker 4: I'm sick of Tellaw's that personally where it's just yelling

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it's more warm and cozy, and like I

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Speaker 5: I mean, sometimes you love that drama and you can't wait.

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Speaker 4: Does it also makes me feel sick you're watching it though.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you don't want to be attacked. Nobody likes

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's just talk about like the shocking moment at

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Speaker 3: And then I'm just like and then he goes Teresa,

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Speaker 5: That's exactly That's exactly how I felt. What Wait a minute,

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Speaker 5: are you sure you said that? Are you sure you

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Speaker 5: Because that's I think it was a shock for everybody.

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Speaker 5: It was so weird. So now I'm thinking, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I feel like I already know who's going to pick.

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Speaker 3: But then again, the spoilers or because he told us

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Speaker 3: But yeah, now it's really obvious who he's picking, Yes, Leslie.

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Speaker 5: No, I really that's what I think. I think it's

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Speaker 4: For the Fantasy Suites really mixed things up, which obviously

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Speaker 2: Ben, I can't believe, like I can't.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you looked at spoilers, thinking that Theresa

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Speaker 4: Look at spoilers, Ashley. I barely have enough time to

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think they would allow that. But I

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Speaker 3: He didn't say I love you back to Teresa, but

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Speaker 5: But he also said it to Leslie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but but like he didn't say to Teresa.

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Speaker 5: means it.

437
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, I think that I meant like

438
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 3: verbalizing it. He's like, okay, like I'll vitilize it now.

439
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 4: Okay. So here's my third point that I wanted to

440
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,119
Speaker 4: talk to about. And I think that's a great spot

441
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: for us to sit until we have to say goodbye

442
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 4: to you. Is the love use I love yous. That's

443
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 4: a big deal to you, obviously, and as like it's

444
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 4: a big deal to us, it's a big deal to Gary,

445
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: and it's a big deal to these women. And so

446
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 4: it's a very interesting thing to speak about now because

447
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 4: he did verbalize these I do think he meant that.

448
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 4: I do think he meant them when he said it.

449
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 4: Uh So we have a we have a weird situation

450
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 4: going on right. Gary hasn't dated in a long time,

451
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 4: his heart has not been opened up to anybody else

452
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 4: in a long time, and so now he's feeling these feels.

453
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 4: Maybe it's love, Maybe he's just very much liking somebody

454
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 4: more than he has in a while. But he says

455
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: it and you have already said you had a problem

456
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 4: with this, that you don't think it's fair that he's

457
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: saying it again, maybe to them, like reverbalizing this. I'm wondering,

458
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: because you know, I've been in a similar situation. If

459
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,639
Speaker 4: we're giving Gary a little bit of the benefit of

460
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 4: the doubt here, I'm wondering if he's reinforcing this into

461
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: in faith, especially because he wants her to know that

462
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 4: she is lovable and that he did get there with her,

463
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 4: and that he still cares so much for her, and

464
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: he's so appreciative for her, and he personally in his

465
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,239
Speaker 4: mind right now, is thinking the best way to do

466
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: this is to make sure she knows that I wasn't lying,

467
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 4: that I wasn't confused, that I was torn apart and

468
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 4: I had to send her home because I had two

469
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: other women there that I think I'm in love with more.

470
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 4: And he thought this was actually the kind way to

471
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: do it.

472
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: Wait, how is a kind.

473
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: Because he's he's giving he's giving her that boost of

474
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 4: confidence he thinks his mind closure to say, hey, this

475
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 4: wasn't fake, like this was not a waste of your time.

476
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 4: You are you are able to be loved. I loved you.

477
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 4: I still love you, I still care about you. You're

478
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: just not the person I'm going to be with in

479
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 4: the end, in any other life, any other situation. Faith,

480
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: maybe he's saying you and I we could have made

481
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 4: this thing work, but not here.

482
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: Well, what's really weird is that, like he didn't give.

483
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 3: Any closure to me as a viewer as to why

484
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 3: he dumped her when she sat next to him on

485
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 3: the tell All, we didn't get any reasoning. I was

486
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 3: getting so many dms saying that he that he must

487
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: have just kept thinking, like, she doesn't want to move

488
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 3: to Indiana, she doesn't want to live with that like house.

489
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: She wants to be with her family, and maybe that

490
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 3: was the number one reason. But at least can I

491
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: hear that?

492
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 2: Can she hear that?

493
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 5: Well? Who knows how she's feeling after this. I mean,

494
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 5: at least he was there and reiterated, you know, just

495
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 5: like what you said before, it's not your we're just

496
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 5: not the right fit. But I do love you as

497
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 5: a person. Sure, so I don't know. Hopefully, you know,

498
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 5: obviously she has to go on. She's she's going to

499
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 5: go on, and she knows that there's always going to

500
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 5: be this love between them like a you know, good friend.

501
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: I mean, he definitely, and I think it's a part

502
00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: of the Golden Bachelor. It's going to be very interesting

503
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 4: if they do another season, which I sure hope they do.

504
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 4: You know, even with Don, Like we see Don sitting there,

505
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 4: and I feel like Don's feelings were very similar to face, like, hey,

506
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 4: I left you, and I'm really sad, and I think

507
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 4: this could have been something special. Now right, let me

508
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: play out a scenario here, And I have no clue

509
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 4: if it's true. I have no clue if this is

510
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: a part of it. But what if what if Gary

511
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: can't give faith the closure because he's physically more attracted

512
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: to or the physical chemistry is better with Leslie and

513
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: Teresa and saying that on stage and saying that to

514
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: her is very harmful and very hurtful and not something

515
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 4: you want to say, even though he thinks she's beautiful,

516
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,360
Speaker 4: even though he's like, you are gorgeous. Again, in any

517
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 4: other life, we could have made sense. But I have

518
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 4: two women here that my physical chemistry is better with,

519
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: and I also care about them a lot, and so

520
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 4: I had to come down to that, Like that was

521
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 4: my final decision maker. Like he can't say that.

522
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 5: All right, you're not gonna of course not so you're right,

523
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 5: that could be the reason, but we don't know. But yeah,

524
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 5: that might be the reason. I make that is a

525
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 5: very good point. You're not gonna, you know, hurt somebody

526
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 5: by saying that, But yeah, that's a good point. I

527
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 5: like that.

528
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 4: Would that have helped Ashley? Like, you're you're quiet here,

529
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 4: and I'm assuming you're still upset that you don't know

530
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: why Faith went home.

531
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

532
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 3: I don't I don't I don't believe that to be

533
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 3: the truth either, because I just think that he was

534
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: very attracted to her. Sure, I honestly, if I had

535
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: heard like it was where I lived, I'd be like,

536
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 3: I can live with that.

537
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, but what if that's not true. What I'm saying

538
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 4: is she could have said, Gary, we never really discussed it,

539
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 4: and I would have been willing to give up everything

540
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 4: for you, like she could have responded like down the couch,

541
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: and then he sitting here going, uh, yeah, you're right,

542
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: I don't really have I don't know, I know, I

543
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: don't know.

544
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: I don't know.

545
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: I feel like you can always say the truth, but

546
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: in a kind way, well, yeah.

547
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 5: No, you can't say it's a physical thing. You cannot.

548
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: I don't think that's what it is, though I'm so

549
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: convinced that that's what it is.

550
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 4: Only thing I can think of it is, it's the

551
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 4: only thing I can think of.

552
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 3: But like, I'm sorry because like, as like I know

553
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 3: that I'm not Gary, but like I found her to

554
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: be the most attractive of all three left, so I

555
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: can't imagine thought otherwise.

556
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: My beauty isn't the eye of the older I know.

557
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 5: I mean, you're not the guy and a guy A

558
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: lot of them, honestly, and that a lot of guys

559
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,239
Speaker 5: will never tell you that that was the reason we

560
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 5: just didn't have a good physical connection. But really that

561
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 5: is the reason they're never gonna you'll never know.

562
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: I mean, he's had she got the first impression Rose.

563
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: He was obviously very attracted to her.

564
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 4: Sure, but he's had more intimate moments with the other two.

565
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 4: I mean, we've seen kind of the making out, as

566
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 4: we've said, and we've seen that. Like, but you know,

567
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: I'm with you. You can make the argument backwards where

568
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 4: you're like, hey, yeah, but when he kissed her in

569
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 4: front of the whole family, which is a which was

570
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 4: probably what I would say would be Gary's biggest mistake

571
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: of the season, Like that is something that even me,

572
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 4: in all of my complexities and issues, would have never done.

573
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 4: Like that was a big deal.

574
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 5: Well, he apologized, He apologized.

575
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: For that, Yeah he did. He said that's what he

576
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: felt most guilty about.

577
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah he should, because I think that's a big deal

578
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 4: and it gave a lot of hope in to the family,

579
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 4: and the family thought they were witnessing a moment very

580
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 4: special and intimate and one that they're gonna be able

581
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: to celebrate. I do think that was That was the

582
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: moment where I turned away from Teresa and said, no,

583
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 4: faith is like faith is here, Leslie's already gone the rose.

584
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 4: I'm over it all right. As we close up here

585
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 4: and as thoughts on the rest of the season, obviously

586
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: you still think Leslie is going to be picked? Yeah

587
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: do you? I guess kind of? You know you're married,

588
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 4: but you have dated in the past. With with this

589
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: intimacy coming up and the fantasy suites, is that going

590
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: to be a kind of an awkward time for them?

591
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: You know?

592
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 4: Again, I think we just need to say it, because

593
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 4: it's true. Gary hasn't dated in a long time, right,

594
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 4: A lot of these women haven't dated in a long time.

595
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: Being alone with somebody in a room with the connotation

596
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 4: that you're going to get physically intimate. Whatever that means

597
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 4: to you and whatever boundaries you set for that is

598
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 4: going to be something unique and different to each person.

599
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: Now from your perspective, with your friendships and your personal life,

600
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 4: how do you think that will play out? You know,

601
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 4: behind closed doors.

602
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 5: I think they're just gonna it all depends on the

603
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: again what you said before, the chemistry. I mean, if

604
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 5: he has a lot of chemistry with Leslie, which I

605
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 5: think he does, I mean, who knows, it could get

606
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: very intimate or it depends on both of them what

607
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 5: they want. I mean a lot of people think about, well,

608
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, there's still another woman left.

609
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 5: I'm not going to go there. Let's just have you know,

610
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 5: cuddle or whatever and we'll have great discussions all night

611
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 5: or whatever they want to do. But they're just not

612
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: going to go there to that place of being totally

613
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 5: you know, intimate. But it depends on both of them

614
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 5: and what there is.

615
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: I'm going to come out and say it, okay, he well,

616
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: Leslie asked when the last time he had sexes, So like,

617
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 6: maybe he'll be honest, maybe he'll say it, Maybe.

618
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: He'll say, like we could talk about that behind closed

619
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 3: doors whatever. But let's just pretend it's his wife and.

620
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: That means that he's Well, they met in high school too.

621
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 3: What if it was like the only woman he's ever

622
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: slept with, And it's like, could you imagine going in

623
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: and doing that with somebody else at that age?

624
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't.

625
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: I can't imagine, Like I don't, I don't like I

626
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: this would be a big roadblock for me, to be honest.

627
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 5: First of all, I think Leslie is the one that

628
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 5: would initiate it all. Oh, he's totally physical and yeah.

629
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: She's got a lot of sexuality.

630
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and not only that, that's what she does for

631
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 5: a living. Isn't she a exercise.

632
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 3: She's a yoga and short. Yeah, so she's like her

633
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: whole it's her body. She's very in tune with her body.

634
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: So she's the one. I don't think that would be

635
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 5: an issue for her because of.

636
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: Not her, I'm talking about Gary.

637
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 5: I'm saying if the woman is, it's not an issue

638
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: for the woman. She would like coach him along. I'm

639
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 5: not kidding, she would be.

640
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 2: The I mean emotional, I mean emotional and physically.

641
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 4: I mean, here's the thing. We're talking about people who

642
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 4: have been in relationship and they know. Now you know,

643
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: it's different actually than sex on The Bachelor and Bachelorette

644
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: because sometimes there you're so horned up over after three months.

645
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 4: You guys are just wanting to get released and like

646
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 4: it's a it's like a it's like a college hookup.

647
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 4: It's like a, Hey, let's just you know, you're beautiful,

648
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 4: I'm you know, ready, let's just go after it. But here,

649
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 4: I do think it will be different because once you

650
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: experience sex within a relationship, there is that intimacy, There

651
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: is the ability to coach, to verbalize, to talk about, Hey,

652
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: this is what I like, this is what I want,

653
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 4: this is what I need. And yes, it's gonna get

654
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 4: awkward at times because you guys are trying new things,

655
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 4: You're experiencing new you know, new environments with new people.

656
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 4: I think on this show, out of any show we've

657
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 4: seen up to this point in the twenty plus seasons,

658
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: there is a level of intimacy and vulnerability and connection

659
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 4: that will exist within these relationships. That we've never seen

660
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: before because it's not new to them. Like sex no

661
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 4: longer means a hookup and a release necessarily. Maybe it

662
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: does at times, you know, marriage still has that. But

663
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: also they're like, I know what it feels like to

664
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: be in a loving, committed sexual relationship, and I think

665
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 4: that's what they're bringing to the table. So I don't

666
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: know if they're gonna do it or not, but I

667
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: do believe Gary and these women are prepared to say, yeah,

668
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: I'm not comfortable doing that in the fantasy suites, or

669
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 4: I am comfortable doing that, and then once they are,

670
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 4: they can say, and this is what it's you know,

671
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: what can it look like with you?

672
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 5: Okay?

673
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 3: I mean that like I would feel like a traitor

674
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 3: to my late's wife.

675
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 4: Definitely.

676
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 3: This would be the moment where I'd be like, I'm

677
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 3: moving on officially.

678
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 2: That is that weird that that.

679
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: Would might not be the right word I would use,

680
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 4: because I think I get what you're saying. There's a

681
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: there's like a guilt, maybe the guilt thank you.

682
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say guilt. I wasn't sure what

683
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 3: the right word was, but I would feel guilty in the.

684
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: Moment, sure, But you got to get over it, Like, yeah, okay,

685
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 4: what do you think.

686
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 5: I mean now at this point, I think the guilt

687
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 5: would be gone. I mean, look, he's gone through all

688
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 5: of this dating process already. They've been you know, she

689
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 5: has passed away for so many years already, and he's yeah,

690
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 5: I maybe a tiny bit he might be thinking about it,

691
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: but no, when you have who's so into you, like

692
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 5: Leslie is so into him, I think the rest would

693
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 5: be very comfortable for him. They decided to do.

694
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: That, okay.

695
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: And the point that we talked about two weeks ago,

696
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 4: Ashley and I think we saw it and it might

697
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 4: be an underspoken point that the show I believe maybe

698
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 4: missed communicating because they tried to bring out emotion at

699
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: times some comedy at times also communicate the relationships. Gary's

700
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,959
Speaker 4: journey through this has been really spectacular because week one

701
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: through two he couldn't bring up his late wife without crying,

702
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 4: He could not emotionally speak about her without getting teary

703
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 4: eyed and without like breaking down. Now, after a few

704
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 4: weeks and after kind of getting his foot back in

705
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 4: the water and saying, hey, I'm gonna start dating again,

706
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: I'm gonna start exploring this he is a lot more

707
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 4: confident speaking about his late wife. He speaks about her

708
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 4: with love and admiration, but isn't as emotional because I

709
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 4: think in Gary's journey, he at some point during this season,

710
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 4: and I bet if you asked him personally, there was

711
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: a point where he said, wait, I've moved on, Like

712
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: I'm I still care and I still love and I

713
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 4: still remember, but my heart is ready for something new.

714
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 4: So I don't know if, like Gary, if that's really

715
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 4: even on his mind at this point. I think he's

716
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 4: so focused on maybe I don't. I don't know.

717
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember him saying something like that, Oh well

718
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 5: he did.

719
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: He does. He's pretty honest about.

720
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: Being his feelings. He's down.

721
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: Oh I was gonna say, like he almost seems like

722
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 3: he's ready to get sexy.

723
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 5: Yeah.

724
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: I think he said something along those lines where he

725
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: was like, it's gonna get it might get hot, and

726
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: like right, yeah.

727
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if I want to think

728
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: about that, but I'm not ready. I'm not ready for

729
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: like the intimacy details here, Like I've had a hard

730
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 4: enough time watching him make out. I'm not ready for

731
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 4: I'm not ready for the hot and steamy.

732
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 3: I think both, but like to put it out there,

733
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: I do think both ladies are going to be into

734
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: using the fantasy suite in the way that the Fantasy

735
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: Suite is just.

736
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 4: Sure, sure well, and as it sure has been awesome

737
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: having you. You've been absolutely incredible to have here. I

738
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 4: really appreciate you coming on and just talking through this

739
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: with us. Obviously, we were excited, as you know co hosts,

740
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 4: to get to this point in the season because we

741
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 4: knew it would get there the conversations would get more serious,

742
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 4: like we would go away from like who's he gonna

743
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: pick and who's he dating? And what do you think

744
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 4: to hey, how does this play out in a fantasy suite?

745
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 4: How does this play out emotional? Emotionally? As Faith now

746
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: tries to move on from this incredible love and incredible

747
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 4: person that she had in her life, and it is

748
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 4: it does make our conversations more interesting. And you stepped

749
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 4: up today and walk through it with us, so so

750
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: thank you so much.

751
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 5: I have a question, though, do you think they are

752
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 5: gonna pick bachelorette?

753
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 6: Now?

754
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 5: Aren't they the Golden Bachelorette?

755
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 4: I have a feeling they're not.

756
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: Wait, okay, you would think so, but they will not

757
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: be announcing it. No way, there's no way that nothing's

758
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 3: been green Land or anything like that. But they certainly

759
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 3: get gave faith the Bachelorette.

760
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 4: Edit. For me, I think everybody got the Bachelorette it.

761
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 4: I could see every single woman that came into this

762
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: house being the next Bachelorette on this show and it

763
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: being great. Here's my concern. I have this theory. I've

764
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 4: never said it publicly, but I have a theory that

765
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 4: there will never be another Golden Show.

766
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: He sort of, he was. He told us about this

767
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: a little bit last week.

768
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 3: He said that they haven't they've decided, they still haven't

769
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 3: made a decision about it. And Ben now is elaborating

770
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: on that theory and saying that there's not ever going

771
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: to be one.

772
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: And why is that?

773
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:35,720
Speaker 5: Ben?

774
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 4: I believe, in my heart of hearts that there's not

775
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 4: going to be another Golden Show for a long time.

776
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 4: And here's why I think it's going to play out.

777
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 4: This show is way too big of a success and

778
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: it will it is eating It's going to eat up

779
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: the Bachelor and Bachelorette, just like it's kind of eating

780
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: up Paradise. Now, let me finish let me let me finish.

781
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 4: It's eating up Paradise. The ratings are down for Paradise.

782
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 4: I believe The Bachelor is going to have a hard

783
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 4: time living up to what the Golden Bachelor was and

784
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,919
Speaker 4: people are going to get sick of that and want

785
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelor again. And the show isn't ready to

786
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: put all their eggs in the Golden basket yet because

787
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 4: it's not what their franchise is built on. And so

788
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: what I think is going to happen is they're going

789
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 4: to pause the Golden Show now, let the Bachelorette and

790
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 4: Bachelor play out like it is for the next few years,

791
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 4: in a sense, die off, and then they'll bring back

792
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: the Golden to try to get another five to seven

793
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 4: year stint out of it, and then that makes the

794
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 4: show a thirty year show instead of you know, all

795
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 4: of this trying to be done at once. That's my theory.

796
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 5: Interesting.

797
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 4: I mean, how how here's my question to lead the

798
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 4: audience with, and you I nez with, how in the

799
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 4: world does Joey's I mean, Joey's probably going to be great.

800
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 4: How in the world does he follow up Gary? He

801
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 4: can't like he just it is an impossible situation for me.

802
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 5: Well, no, but it's such a different demographic. It's such

803
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 5: a different scene. It's so different. You're talking about twenty

804
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 5: year old thirty year olds versus you know, sixty and

805
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 5: seventy year old, So there's such a different audience.

806
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: I think it's the same viewing audience.

807
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 3: It is the same. I think it's the same viewing

808
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: audience too. I bet you they got up. They got

809
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: some more older viewers, But for the most part, I

810
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: do think that the age range is the same. I

811
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: see what Ben is talking about. Yeah, it's not like

812
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 3: the Golden Bachelor has abandoned its young audience, do you

813
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

814
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: Like they like, any twenty.

815
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: Five to forty five year old who watches The Bachelor

816
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: is also watching the Golden Bachelor, So not they're keeping

817
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 3: their core audience and maybe gaining some older But in

818
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: the numbers numbers game, you want to be able to

819
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 3: you want to have that like twenty five to fifty

820
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 3: ish range because that's like where the money grab is.

821
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 5: Right.

822
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: I would say this though, and I mean, I think

823
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 4: here's the business model for this, right. If Paradise's ratings

824
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 4: were showing to be very good, and high. I think

825
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: then all of this plays together well and they say, Okay,

826
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelor can lead in the Paradise, can lead

827
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 4: into the Bachelor, can lead in the Bachelor app and

828
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 4: this all works. I think the Bachelor ratings this year,

829
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: and I know we talk about ratings and people hate

830
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 4: it at times, but I do believe the Bachelor ratings

831
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 4: this year are going to play a big role. And

832
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 4: if they do the Golden Show or not, if the

833
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 4: Bachelor ratings are down at all, they say, no, we can't,

834
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: it's going to eat it up. If it's up, they're saying, yes,

835
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: this is great.

836
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about.

837
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 3: And I think it's because we know, after like almost

838
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: a decade and all this, like we get them, we

839
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: get the creators of the show. But what doesn't make

840
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 3: sense is that there's so many other dating shows these days,

841
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: way more and on a whole bunch of different platforms

842
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 3: than at the beginning of all this, when Bachelor ruled.

843
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: And now Bachelor doesn't like necessarily rule because there's Love

844
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 3: is Blind and there's Love Island and stuff, but they

845
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: and they just tapped into a whole new breed of show.

846
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: So shouldn't they just run with that.

847
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 3: Now they're going to risk other people getting that idea

848
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: and not being one of the originals and having somebody

849
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 3: else steal the idea.

850
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: And it's just like, well, you know, sometimes things.

851
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 3: Need to evolve, and I don't want to see the

852
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: Bachelor Bachelor and Paradise go anywhere.

853
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, That's what a heart and sole thing for me.

854
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: But like, if we have to evolve, then like as

855
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 3: mine as we'll be the leaders in it.

856
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 4: I would agree with you. I don't know if that's

857
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 4: the way ABC necessarily or Warner thinks about this. I

858
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 4: could be completely wrong. I could be I'm not saying

859
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 4: this is my theory and it's my concern because I've

860
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 4: loved watching The Golden Show. It's brought me back to

861
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 4: having a lot of fun watching the show and learning

862
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: from these contestants and following their stories and wanting to

863
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 4: be involved in their love stories and see them find success.

864
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 4: It's done everything for me that the show did for me,

865
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 4: you know, ten years ago. But this is my theory.

866
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 4: I could be so wrong on it.

867
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 5: I just think that actually what you're saying thought about,

868
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 5: but it sort of makes sense.

869
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean how does joe I mean, I think

870
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 4: the big question comes down to how in the world

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Speaker 4: does Joey live up to being Gary? And because it is,

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Speaker 4: you can't but it happens every season. We've seen it, right,

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Speaker 4: How does how does Colton live up to Nick File?

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Speaker 4: How does Matt James live up to you know, Colton

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Speaker 4: or whoever was before him? You know, how do I

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Speaker 4: live up to Chris? Souls like it is a comparison

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Speaker 4: where they always are comparing you, like, oh I missed

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Speaker 4: last season. You know, the fans say that, and oh

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Speaker 4: I'm tuning out because this person isn't as interesting. It

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Speaker 4: happens every year. So all right, well we got to

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Speaker 4: let you go, and as thanks for coming on again.

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Speaker 4: We really appreciate you. And well, hey, let's see if

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Speaker 4: it's Leslie or Trees' towards the end.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, bye, thank you bye.

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Speaker 4: This has been another almost famous podcast. Again. We're gonna

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Speaker 4: ben back next week breaking down more episodes because we

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Speaker 4: have a couple of weeks left. We have three weeks

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Speaker 4: left to the Golden Bachelor, we have some Paradise left,

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Speaker 4: we have some interviews on Slate. The headlines will never stop.

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Speaker 4: We are just keeping going, and we're keeping going because

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Speaker 4: it's an exciting time in Bachelor Nation and we should

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Speaker 4: all be excited about it. But until next week, I've

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Speaker 4: been Been, I've been Ashley.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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