Speaker 1: I'm Manny Noah, and this is no such thing. The
Speaker 1: show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours by
Speaker 1: actually doing the research. Today's episode is a mailbag episode.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about dishwasher etiquette, we're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about right wing conspiracy theories, and we're gonna be
Speaker 1: answering a question about how exactly the three of us met. No,
Speaker 1: there's no no such thing. No touch, thank no touch,
Speaker 1: thank touch, thank you, no touch.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Our first question is from a listener named Kimberly. I'll
Speaker 1: read it now, Dear Many, Noah and Devin. Years ago,
Speaker 1: when my husband and I of nearly twenty five years
Speaker 1: were in couples therapy, we often discussed our dislike of
Speaker 1: how each other loads the dishwasher. Apparently this argument often
Speaker 1: comes up in couple's therapy. We have yet to come
Speaker 1: up with an agreed upon solution. I have had twenty
Speaker 1: seven roommates in my lifetime and that argument came up
Speaker 1: multiple times. In fact, one roommate left because of the disagreement.
Speaker 1: Thanks and keep up the good work on your show.
Speaker 1: So essentially this this person wants us to find out
Speaker 1: the real proper way to load a dishwasher, and I
Speaker 1: did a little bit of digging. But before we get
Speaker 1: into that, I'm just curious, like, has dishwashing etiquette ever
Speaker 1: played a role in your guys's lives and your relationships?
Speaker 1: Has it ever been a source of tension?
Speaker 3: I want to say tension, but me and my fiance
Speaker 3: are right at odds.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's.
Speaker 1: Well, do just I have my style and she and
Speaker 1: what are the two styles?
Speaker 3: It's basically up or down for the utensils is oh
Speaker 3: is I think the biggest contention because most of it
Speaker 3: here's my process. Most of it's pretty obvious. Mugs, cups
Speaker 3: are going to go on the top, they're going down obviously,
Speaker 3: so it's not filling with the water.
Speaker 2: Plates.
Speaker 3: Everything else is going in the plate section. So I
Speaker 3: think our the only area we're really different is should
Speaker 3: forks and spoons and knives be pointing up or pointing
Speaker 3: down when you're a team up.
Speaker 1: I'm team up for you know, sharp knives, I'll put those.
Speaker 3: Down for safety, I'm going to hurt myself. But spoons,
Speaker 3: everything else I want up. And here's why, partly because well,
Speaker 3: what's nice is hopefully there's a little kind of grid
Speaker 3: section where there's a little separation bringing them all in.
Speaker 3: What I worry about when we're putting spoons down in
Speaker 3: the larger areas is the spoons especially are gonna you know,
Speaker 3: I'm holding this is a podcast, but I'm holding up
Speaker 3: my hands. They're going to spoon together. So yeah, it
Speaker 3: might not get cleaned clean. And we use a lot
Speaker 3: of spoons in my house because we're cooking this dog food.
Speaker 3: We go through mainly spoons. So if we're putting those
Speaker 3: head down, I'll say I'm not trust not really, because
Speaker 3: they'll and not to mention the water pressure.
Speaker 2: Up and down.
Speaker 3: Who knows what's going on with this building. It might
Speaker 3: there might not be any water touching these things, So yeah,
Speaker 3: put them up that way. It's getting sprayed, it's getting
Speaker 3: rubbed down. These are being cleaned and there's no all
Speaker 3: the food's getting off there and trickling down Versus here's
Speaker 3: another thing. The thing's down. Even if the water is
Speaker 3: getting in there and it's getting cleaned, the food might
Speaker 3: get you know, sometimes there's bigger pieces of food or something.
Speaker 3: It might be stuck down there. So then when I'm unloading,
Speaker 3: if there's extra food, it's gonna be on the top
Speaker 3: of the spoon and not if there is detritus or something,
Speaker 3: maybe just a little bit on the very bottom, not
Speaker 3: such a big issue you maybe, yeah, do a quick
Speaker 3: little rints off, wipe it off, whatever, depending on what
Speaker 3: it is. It's on the end of the fork or
Speaker 3: the spoon. Now it's like, I need to watch this run.
Speaker 3: I need to really run this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are Julia's pros for putting it down?
Speaker 3: I think it's just that's how her family did it. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: my brother and his wife had the same issue.
Speaker 1: So the thing like, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: So, and I'll say both of both me and my
Speaker 3: brother have won the battles.
Speaker 1: Okay, so she does it your way. They've conceded.
Speaker 2: Wow, I thought the fight was everybody's just doing it
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, now she does it my way, so
Speaker 3: we don't have We've avoided couples therapy because of this.
Speaker 2: I talk about dumb stuff of my therapist all the time.
Speaker 2: So I understand you.
Speaker 3: Got a lot of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes I'm like, why am I paying this about this.
Speaker 1: Scrape in the bottom of the barrel? What else?
Speaker 2: What else.
Speaker 1: I can share that in my households, we're not really
Speaker 1: at odds because we do like it'll be someone's duty
Speaker 1: to do the dishwasher, so like we were not doing
Speaker 1: it at the same time, so it's not you know,
Speaker 1: we don't run into any issues.
Speaker 3: But the loading though, like one person loads it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so like if if if I cooked dinner, Mia
Speaker 1: will load the dishwasher. But okay, but there certainly has
Speaker 1: been a few instances where we both did it at
Speaker 1: the same time. And clearly, you know, mea my beautiful,
Speaker 1: smart wife who never does anything wrong, who I would
Speaker 1: die for, she will like she loads the dishwasher in
Speaker 1: a way that's very orderly, very like tetris. How can
Speaker 1: we get the most things in there, which is fine.
Speaker 1: I think it's great.
Speaker 2: It does take it through before she's doing it, she's almost.
Speaker 1: There's a strategy. Yeah, and I see, and I think
Speaker 1: it's beautiful because when she does it, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: it and I don't care do what however you want.
Speaker 1: When I do it, it's more like it's like freestyling.
Speaker 1: Like it doesn't take me nearly as much time because
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure everything is throw it. I space
Speaker 1: things out, but like you know, it's obvious organized big
Speaker 1: things on the bottom, smaller things on the top. I
Speaker 1: do go forks up forks and spoons up, and I've
Speaker 1: never I've never thought about it, really. I just kind
Speaker 1: of imagine that the jets or whatever are.
Speaker 2: Hit the spoon.
Speaker 1: But Devin, you don't have a dishwasher.
Speaker 2: I've been in my place.
Speaker 1: Out here washing the dishes manually.
Speaker 3: That's why he's in such great shape.
Speaker 2: It is. I think about this all the time, the
Speaker 2: amount of time I spend washing dishes every single day.
Speaker 2: It is nasty. It's nasty, but it's just and it's
Speaker 2: just me. I'm like, how do I have so many dishes?
Speaker 2: Every day? You finished washing them and then you got
Speaker 2: to wash them again. Yeah, So I haven't had a
Speaker 2: dish washer almost the entire time I've been in New York.
Speaker 2: I've been in New York ten years. I did have
Speaker 2: a dishwasher for the first year I was here. I
Speaker 2: don't remember any arguments about how we were loading it
Speaker 2: unloading it. And then growing up, we never used a dishwasher. Really,
Speaker 2: we always had a dishwasher, but like, I don't know
Speaker 2: if they didn't work, I don't know why, but they.
Speaker 1: Were just easier to just I think it's very common
Speaker 1: to have a dishwasher.
Speaker 2: We use it. Well, we asked you. This my only
Speaker 2: thing that I do hear people arguing about. And in
Speaker 2: terms of dishwashers, just how much you need to clean
Speaker 2: your dishes before you put them in there?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what is I'm you know, big pieces.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'll take off, but I bload them up in
Speaker 1: there pretty dirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it comes out pretty clean for the most part.
Speaker 1: You might get every once in a while, I might
Speaker 1: get like a little thing you have to do again, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to. I try to basically do a
Speaker 3: just a very brief rint, swash it down anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Usually it's like one pass like yeah, yeah, but like
Speaker 3: I'm not you know, do a quick scrape if you know,
Speaker 3: there's certain foods that are going to stay more so
Speaker 3: I try to do my best with that. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I don't go crazy because it's like I basically
Speaker 3: run the dishwasher every day, so it's like it's not
Speaker 3: a huge deal of something stuck and then I just
Speaker 3: need to do another to pass at it. Or then
Speaker 3: it's like I'll take it out and now I'll just
Speaker 3: scrub it like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it does depend on how how quickly after
Speaker 1: eating you put it.
Speaker 2: In the wash.
Speaker 1: If it's sitting in the sink for a while, the
Speaker 1: things are crushed up, and then that actually does not
Speaker 1: work in a dishwasher. So let's talk about how to
Speaker 1: properly load them. My guess is like anytime anyone's arguing
Speaker 1: about how to load the dishwasher, they probably largely agree
Speaker 1: like eighty five to ninety percent about what they're doing
Speaker 1: in there. There's these little margins that that take people off.
Speaker 3: There's not that many options.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's only so many things you can
Speaker 1: do in the dishwasher. But when I was digging up
Speaker 1: some research on this, I found this guy, Andrew Laughlin.
Speaker 1: He's an English journal list. He's a tech writer who's
Speaker 1: now kind of I think leaned into I would say,
Speaker 1: calling himself a dishwasher expert. Came out with an article
Speaker 1: recently about how to properly load a dishwasher. I will
Speaker 1: say this is like from a tech expert point of view,
Speaker 1: I think after we read his perspective, I think we
Speaker 1: should also look at like does Maytag or Whirlpool or
Speaker 1: one of these companies have actual, real instructions on their website.
Speaker 1: So let's start with Andy. I'm just gonna go through
Speaker 1: his list. He's got kind of a list of things
Speaker 1: in this article for which, okay, scrape the plates, but
Speaker 1: there's no need to rinse them. Knocking off lumps of
Speaker 1: leftover food before loading the dishwasher will give it the
Speaker 1: best chance of getting everything clean, but most dishwashers will
Speaker 1: pre rinse your dishes anyway. You don't need to run
Speaker 1: them under the tap. It's a waste of water. Number two,
Speaker 1: Now here's what I learned when I was looking up.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this.
Speaker 1: Uh, the dirty side of every item should face the
Speaker 1: center of the dishwasher.
Speaker 2: Oh so when.
Speaker 1: You're looking let's say you're in front of your dishwasher
Speaker 1: and you're looking down on it. You want to put
Speaker 1: a bowl on the right side of the dishwasher, it
Speaker 1: should be facing the left, like all the items should
Speaker 1: be facing the center.
Speaker 3: That makes it, I mean, yeah, I mean the way
Speaker 3: my the rack is set up is yeah, incentivizes that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is I only noticed that after I read this.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, of course they're slanted in
Speaker 1: a way that It's like I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I just kind of dirty faces needs to face the center.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the water is coming in. Oh yeah, because the
Speaker 3: water is shooting from a thing in the center. Yeah right, yeah,
Speaker 3: that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Number three is and this is another thing I do wrong.
Speaker 1: Don't overload the dishwasher. Yeah, leave a lot of space
Speaker 1: between dishes and cutlery for the water and detergent is
Speaker 1: spread around. I'm I'm a I I just stacked as much.
Speaker 3: How often do you run?
Speaker 1: We're going once a day, at least at least at
Speaker 1: least yeah minimum, Yeah, sometimes twice a day. It's exactly
Speaker 1: like my shower routine. At least once my plate's getting washed.
Speaker 1: Another one, cups and glasses up top that one. I
Speaker 1: think no one's really arguing about that one. I think Okay.
Speaker 1: Number eleven, here's the key one. It's called the key
Speaker 1: to loading cutlery. The reason your utensils don't always get
Speaker 1: clean could be because like for like items are sitting
Speaker 1: too close to each other, meaning there's no space for
Speaker 1: the washpoon. That's what Noah was saying about the spoons
Speaker 1: that are that spooning. This issue known as nesting, can
Speaker 1: happen when spoons lean into each other. To solve this place,
Speaker 1: some upright and some downwards. I wasn't expecting. I wasn't expecting.
Speaker 3: It makes sense if we're if it's a kind of
Speaker 3: loose area you're putting them into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: If you have a nice one that's gritted, so it's
Speaker 3: separating each one, it's not conn because they're never going
Speaker 3: to say they're just they're not touching. So I'll accept that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I can see the I have like one
Speaker 1: utensils kind of compartment, but half of it is gritted,
Speaker 1: and yeah that's half. Yeah, free for all, So that's interesting.
Speaker 1: The exception to this rule is knives. It's safer to
Speaker 1: just put them pointing side down. It's like I wrote this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: now here's a couple of other things you mentioned in
Speaker 1: the articles. Can you add items to the dishwasher after.
Speaker 2: It's started, just leave it alone?
Speaker 1: Did it just start once I press start, I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's over that things locked into If.
Speaker 2: It's if it's if you just hit it, I think
Speaker 2: you could stop it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, basically if it's an hour and just
Speaker 1: let it go, yeah, because then it's really hot in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like yeah, just wait okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: There are times when I don't even realize it's still going,
Speaker 3: and you know, there's just something and it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I open it up in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even like put in there. It's burning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: He says most most dishwashers tend to run a pre
Speaker 1: wash stage first, which is equivalent to us just running
Speaker 1: it under the faucet. Totally fine to open the dishwasher
Speaker 1: at that stage.
Speaker 2: I would agree with that.
Speaker 1: After ten minutes or so, probably in there, yeah, not
Speaker 1: even at least after ten minutes or so, better to
Speaker 1: just let it finish it. So that was our dishwasher expert.
Speaker 1: Uh Andrew Lachlan. Now here's the thing. I've seen some
Speaker 1: of the some of his videos on TikTok. They're very viral,
Speaker 1: millions of views on these things, but a lot of
Speaker 1: engineers and plumbers and other tech experts will be in
Speaker 1: the comments saying, actually, what you're saying is wrong. So
Speaker 1: I think it's still ends up being a matter of
Speaker 1: preference for the most part. But I thought it would
Speaker 1: be a good idea to go to like the actual
Speaker 1: website of a dishwasher manufacturer and see what they say
Speaker 1: and see how closely. It aligns with what Andrew says.
Speaker 1: All right, who we got We're gonna go with Maytag.
Speaker 1: All right, so here's the Maytag website. They've got their
Speaker 1: own article up called how to load a dishwasher the
Speaker 1: right way. Step four. Load utensils into the utensil basket. Forks, knives,
Speaker 1: and spoons should be placed in the utensil basket. Loads
Speaker 1: spoons and forks with their handles facing down so the
Speaker 1: utensils can get a proper clean. So I think they
Speaker 1: mean the functional parts facing up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's a that's.
Speaker 1: A no dub noh innocent. Sharp knives should be loaded
Speaker 1: with the blades down to protect their hands while unloading
Speaker 1: the dishwasher.
Speaker 3: They need to put that before someone them.
Speaker 1: Someone's definitely done that.
Speaker 2: Put their hands all knives, goddamn me.
Speaker 1: And then here's some tips. Place larger items in the
Speaker 1: back of the rack near the wall of the tub.
Speaker 1: Fill gaps with smaller dishes. Use the utensil basket to
Speaker 1: space out all your utensils and other small items like
Speaker 1: reusable straws. Avoid putting plastic items on the bottom rack,
Speaker 1: as this rack is closest to the appliance's heating elements.
Speaker 1: Oh so tupperwars, I just want to go on the
Speaker 1: upper rack, I guess because they're not as affected by
Speaker 1: the heat.
Speaker 2: Leave some room. This is this all kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: A lot of insightful stuff in there. So I hope
Speaker 1: our listener learned something. I hope one of the answers
Speaker 1: in there lets you own your husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and good luck with your marriage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty five years.
Speaker 2: It's a long time.
Speaker 1: Clearly wasn't that big of an issue.
Speaker 2: No, they're working, hope not.
Speaker 1: Our next mail bag question was emailed to us by
Speaker 1: manted Pouts. There have been several stories that circulated over
Speaker 1: kitty litter being in liberal school district classrooms because some
Speaker 1: kids identified as cats. I have friends whom I cannot
Speaker 1: convince that this is a false story. I've offered them
Speaker 1: one thousand dollars if they could show me a school
Speaker 1: board meeting where it was even seriously addressed in the
Speaker 1: minutes of the meeting. No such thing. What do you think? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, I think we were both working at NBC
Speaker 1: when this fiasco happened, and it is essentially what I
Speaker 1: can remember is that like a bunch of like right
Speaker 1: wing pundits and politicians were like, well, look at this,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy. Even kids are identifying as cats, and
Speaker 1: that's why they wanted kitty litter in class.
Speaker 4: My friend his wife is a school teacher and she
Speaker 4: works at a school that had to install a litter
Speaker 4: box in the girl's room because there is a girl
Speaker 4: who's a furry who identifies as an animal.
Speaker 2: I think a big part of this story was like,
Speaker 2: this is around obviously a lot of conversation in regards
Speaker 2: to trans rights, and people were saying, Okay, if you
Speaker 2: let children pick their pronouns, then what next are going
Speaker 2: to be identifying as trees and other things? And then
Speaker 2: then they were like, oh, now there are children identifying
Speaker 2: as cats, and this is all because we let trans
Speaker 2: people have right slip.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the story time or whatever. Yes, yeah, the
Speaker 1: drag crag.
Speaker 2: Exactly. If you let trans people exist, your kids will
Speaker 2: eventually be cats.
Speaker 1: My main memory of this actually is at our former
Speaker 1: colleague Ben Collins wrote a story about this. He at
Speaker 1: the time was debunking a lot of like right wing conspiracies,
Speaker 1: and so I actually just called Ben to have him
Speaker 1: explain this one to me.
Speaker 5: Okay, manny in company. Hello, it is good to hear
Speaker 5: from you. I don't know why I'm hearing from you
Speaker 5: for this reason, because it's the worst fucking reason. But
Speaker 5: here it is litter boxes in schools. So in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty one, there was a person who started a rumor
Speaker 5: in the Prince Edward Island Public School Facebook group saying
Speaker 5: that litter boxes have been placed in schools to make
Speaker 5: it so furries have a safe place to go to school.
Speaker 5: This was bullshit, didn't exist, they said. The kids identified
Speaker 5: as cats, but it obviously struck a nerve with transphobes
Speaker 5: and pieces of shit who are trying to conflates furries,
Speaker 5: trans people, any gender nonconforming thing. Up in New England,
Speaker 5: they had litter boxes.
Speaker 6: The accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat.
Speaker 4: In this if you don't know what furries are, it's
Speaker 4: were school children dress up as animals, cats or dogs
Speaker 4: during the school day.
Speaker 5: There was never in Prince Edward Island or otherwise any
Speaker 5: litter box in that school. So the issue is this
Speaker 5: took off like wildfire on Facebook because of the algorithm.
Speaker 5: A couple months later, a lady in Midland, Michigan, went
Speaker 5: to her public school board meeting and said there were
Speaker 5: kids identifying as cats and they were peeing in litterboxes and.
Speaker 2: School and stuff.
Speaker 5: That wasn't true either. Then it really took off because
Speaker 5: people like Lauren Bobert and a bunch of other congressional
Speaker 5: candidates in twenty different places in the United States. By
Speaker 5: the time we reported the story in NBC newsers me
Speaker 5: and my colleague Tyler and Kaid Brandy's Drows and he Bengogian.
Speaker 5: We called every single school district that was alleged by
Speaker 5: GOP congress people or candidates to have litter boxes in schools,
Speaker 5: and zero of them obviously had litter boxes except for one.
Speaker 5: In that one place where there was litter cat litter
Speaker 5: in a bucket. It was in a thing called a
Speaker 5: go buckets and it was in Colorado, and it was
Speaker 5: the Jefferson County School District, And the Jefferson County School
Speaker 5: District is the home of Columbine. And those those go
Speaker 5: buckets were used in the event of an incredibly long
Speaker 5: school shut down or kids had to stay locked down
Speaker 5: in their classrooms because of a school shooting or something similar.
Speaker 5: So this is how evil this is in in cities,
Speaker 5: this is this trans panic that existed that targeted, you know,
Speaker 5: all these kids with this bullshit rumor from scared adults,
Speaker 5: spawned of the very problem that is the heart of
Speaker 5: the American sickness, which is basically Columbine necessitated go buckets.
Speaker 5: Go buckets had cat litter in them, and then from
Speaker 5: there it's fonnded this ridiculous moral panic about kids acting
Speaker 5: different in any way anyways. It's evil. It's one of
Speaker 5: the worst stories ever worked out in my life. And
Speaker 5: I hope you have a great day, have a good
Speaker 5: day everybody.
Speaker 1: By the KIDDI litter thing was always bullshit. I didn't
Speaker 1: know about the Columbine aspect of it, that there was
Speaker 1: actually litter there, you know, for a very practical and
Speaker 1: tragic reason, and that it was kind of repurpose to essentially,
Speaker 1: you know, mitigate any progress with the social acceptance of
Speaker 1: trans people. The worst aspect of these kind of stories
Speaker 1: is that when you when you know, the guy who
Speaker 1: emailed us, he's going to go to his friends and
Speaker 1: prove that it was bullshit. And the worst fucking thing
Speaker 1: the friends are going to say is, well, isn't it
Speaker 1: crazy that it could be? Isn't it crazy? That the
Speaker 1: left has gone so nuts. Unfortunately, dear listener, there is
Speaker 1: no satisfying your friends.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the classic case of Springfield eating the pets things,
Speaker 2: where you just one after one doesn't matter. It's like
Speaker 2: the person who says the thing never has to actually
Speaker 2: prove that it's happening. You just have to disprove that
Speaker 2: it's happening by finding countless of examples of it not happening.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like the burden of proof is always
Speaker 2: on the person with the common sense. All right, well
Speaker 2: we got up next. We got an email from Cynthia
Speaker 2: reading versus listening to news. So Cynthia says, does watching
Speaker 2: news or listening to podcasts count as reading the news
Speaker 2: and newspapers?
Speaker 3: So this obviously is a throwback to episode one of
Speaker 3: No such Thing, which everyone should.
Speaker 2: Listen to the pilot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pilot episode which is about the audiobooks count is reading.
Speaker 2: My news consumption is primarily drew audio, even when I
Speaker 2: was working at a news organization. It's just because it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, especially I listened to most of the news
Speaker 2: in the morning when I'm getting ready for work walking
Speaker 2: the dog. Right, It's like I'm listening to news so
Speaker 2: I can get caught up right, like it's not for me, like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me sit down and like open up the newspapers
Speaker 2: like a fun part of my day. It's like I
Speaker 2: need to know what's happening in the world, and I
Speaker 2: think so. And I also think public radio and a
Speaker 2: lot of these you know, in these nprs, local radio
Speaker 2: does some of the best reporting about things in the
Speaker 2: New York City area. So it is also just like,
Speaker 2: you know, if I had the option to read something,
Speaker 2: I don't think I would get as good of information
Speaker 2: as I do from some of the public Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: shut out Brian Lair. All right.
Speaker 1: I guess like the big the big picture news like
Speaker 1: a bombing happened in this city, like that, the vehicle
Speaker 1: of that information has completely shifted to audio or TV.
Speaker 1: When I read the New York Times or any other outlet,
Speaker 1: it's some kind of analysis versus like, here's what happened.
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting question, what have you learned about it? Noah.
Speaker 3: So, someone who did research on this wrote an article
Speaker 3: in The Wall Street Journal a couple months ago summing.
Speaker 2: Up what they found.
Speaker 3: The main kind of top line stuff is that you
Speaker 3: don't get as much detail when you're just listening, and
Speaker 3: you get a kind of worse or more negative perception
Speaker 3: of the news when you're listening versus reading, I think
Speaker 3: because you're not picking up as much detail, so you
Speaker 3: just have a I believe it's called negativity bias, so
Speaker 3: you hear anything bad and you'll just focus in on that.
Speaker 3: If you're asked then like to kind of list your
Speaker 3: main takeaways, it'll be on the negative things. I think
Speaker 3: the example they did in the research was, I think
Speaker 3: she's a professor of marketing, so it was more on
Speaker 3: the kind of consumer product side, But it was basically
Speaker 3: like people were given an article about a shampoo, and
Speaker 3: the people who read it came away with a more
Speaker 3: even sort of sense of it versus the people who
Speaker 3: listened only kind of noticed about maybe a you know,
Speaker 3: a possibly bad item in it or ingredient or something,
Speaker 3: and the negative effects that would have and none of
Speaker 3: the positive that this product would have on your hair
Speaker 3: or whatever, which which I think makes sense, like if
Speaker 3: you're listening, I mean, I think it just goes back
Speaker 3: to kind of the classic like why all the news
Speaker 3: is seems so negative and if it bleeds, it leads
Speaker 3: sort of thing where it's, yeah, it's just more interesting
Speaker 3: to hear about bad things then yeah, like oh, it's
Speaker 3: a nice day out, everyone's happy. Like there's not much
Speaker 3: to say there, you know, And.
Speaker 2: That's the stuff that's going to get emphasized, especially in
Speaker 2: these like smaller slots on radio where you know, that's
Speaker 2: the thing. I listened to a lot of radio, so
Speaker 2: like I get a lot of news from it, but
Speaker 2: you can a lot of people will be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just listened to like a ten minute recap, you know,
Speaker 2: to do those sort of things, and that will be
Speaker 2: all the information they have in that story. And sure,
Speaker 2: those are like fifteen seconds slots where they're trying to
Speaker 2: give you what you need to know. So you're going
Speaker 2: to remember the negative thing because that's going to be
Speaker 2: the thing that emphasize. They're not going to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: and the shampoo does a whole bunch of great things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's basically you're getting the headline versus the body and
Speaker 3: the details that might have a little more context exactly.
Speaker 2: I wonder like if someone listening to something, you know,
Speaker 2: like the Daily, which is like more in depth on
Speaker 2: one topic, would have that same.
Speaker 3: I see away yeah, my son should probably be less
Speaker 3: of a but I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I think
Speaker 3: overall probably yeah, similar to just the audiobooks reading thing
Speaker 3: as far as what you retain, but I would assume
Speaker 3: where it's longer form and more in depth, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get a little bit more of the nuance than like
Speaker 3: a five minute news piece you're listening versus reading.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's just from Jessica. I have a super important
Speaker 2: question in a traffic situation involving a school bus with
Speaker 2: the stop sign out of course, an ambulance with flashing lights,
Speaker 2: and a funeral procession. Who has the right away? So
Speaker 2: we got a school bus, yeah, yes, with the stop
Speaker 2: sign out. Yeah, an ambulance with flashing lights in a
Speaker 2: funeral procession. All right, So I'll go for the.
Speaker 1: Ambulance yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of easy.
Speaker 2: Ambulance number one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watch out for the kids.
Speaker 2: Number two Yeah, yeah, I said the school if we're
Speaker 2: putting them in order of yeah, okay, ambulance, school bus,
Speaker 2: the funeral. Sorry, the person's dead already.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say it, but yeah, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's more of a courtesy thing to exactly, that's not
Speaker 3: law the stop you know, in an ambulance driving, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they can they can just run over people.
Speaker 3: It's like obviously they're not going to smash into things
Speaker 3: for people. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the most pressing
Speaker 3: issue clearly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but here's another angle to this.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I agree that like, let's hear. I agree that, like
Speaker 1: the the most urgent, like who's who's who needs to
Speaker 1: be saved right now? That should be the person who
Speaker 1: gets to go. Yeah, but I'm curious about whether there's
Speaker 1: like a legal aspect to this, Like if the bus
Speaker 1: is parked and the stop sign is out, going through
Speaker 1: the stop sign is like, isn't that like a felony
Speaker 1: or something like.
Speaker 2: Not to hear an ambulance with the lights on.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what the legal question is.
Speaker 3: But it's not a private and it's like police are
Speaker 3: like you you're allowed to do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, police drive through lights all the time. All right.
Speaker 1: What if the ambulance drives to the stop sign and hits.
Speaker 2: A kid, Well, this city will probably get sued.
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's illegal.
Speaker 3: We're not talking about hitting a kid.
Speaker 6: I know, I'm right, now, yeah, I stop sign illegally
Speaker 6: illegal to hit kids in all cases, it was the
Speaker 6: funeral procession that ran me over.
Speaker 1: No, but then you could the ambulance driver wouldn't be
Speaker 1: uh prosecute. I don't think, well the.
Speaker 2: Prosecuted in either situation to be on if they hit
Speaker 2: a kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they were, unless they the sirens, unless they're
Speaker 1: a negligent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, That's what.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, Yeah, what is the if there's like
Speaker 1: any kind of illegal thing to it, where there is
Speaker 1: actually a right answer.
Speaker 2: I don't think the right answer is always emergency vehicles.
Speaker 3: Get the right I feel like there's yeah, a school.
Speaker 2: Bus is not getting a right away over emergency vehicle.
Speaker 1: Should they close the stop signs they see the.
Speaker 2: Driver let any kids off the bus at that point
Speaker 2: Mitchell Holdan closed the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's getting spitballs shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'll look into this to check if there is some
Speaker 3: sort of real proper answer. But yeah, I mean I
Speaker 3: believe she says that this happened to.
Speaker 2: Her, Yes, so that the Jesus asked this. There has
Speaker 2: been a pressing question in her life since her aunt
Speaker 2: passed fifteen years ago. Sorry about that. Uh, and they
Speaker 2: encounter this while driving to the cemetery.
Speaker 1: So they were in the procession. Yeah, unfortunately, I you know,
Speaker 1: rest in peace to your loved one. But that was
Speaker 1: the easiest one on the bottom of the Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's school bus an emergency vehicle here. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like no one, even the funeral
Speaker 3: director couldn't argue that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, well, we'll call up a police
Speaker 2: I'll look it. Yeah, I'll call down. Really, no, thanks,
Speaker 2: we should we should be like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 1: Who would they arrest first? Yeah, because the cop is
Speaker 1: gonna arrest all of everyone. Yeah, the kids kids first,
Speaker 1: they're getting drags to Alligator Alcatraz.
Speaker 2: It's from Fountain Valley dot gov. California. Emergency vehicles with
Speaker 2: active lights andro sirens have the right of way and
Speaker 2: drivers must yield to them. The California Your Vehicle Code
Speaker 2: state you must yield the right of way to any
Speaker 2: police vehicle, fire engine, ambulance or other emergency vehicle using
Speaker 2: a siren in red lights.
Speaker 1: So that means the bus. The school bus driver closes
Speaker 1: the stop sign, waits for the sirens to go by, then,
Speaker 1: to be honest, he puts the stop sign back out.
Speaker 1: The funeral people have to wait until the kids get
Speaker 1: on the bus. Yes, yeah, the bus drives off. Funeral
Speaker 1: procession may proceed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that may.
Speaker 3: I mean that's that seems fair to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems fair to me too.
Speaker 5: Allow it.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to change this.
Speaker 2: One, all right. So then we have one last question
Speaker 2: from Catherine. Can men and women really be friends? This
Speaker 2: is uh this when Harry met Sally?
Speaker 1: I assume she means can men and women be friends
Speaker 1: without one person helping? Feelings?
Speaker 2: No romance? Yeah, maybe the wrong group of guys that
Speaker 2: asked this.
Speaker 1: We're too we're too soy boy liberals.
Speaker 2: We all have friends who are women.
Speaker 3: I don't see gender who are not romantically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this seems like a pretty easy yes. I think
Speaker 2: it's I have.
Speaker 1: Many friendships that are with the opposite gender that are
Speaker 1: extremely platonic.
Speaker 2: Yes, extremely. This is always such a this has been Like,
Speaker 2: I think it's a valid question. I know people debate
Speaker 2: all the time. To me, it's just like so bizarre
Speaker 2: because it just assumes that men and women always want
Speaker 2: to have sex with one another, no matter what they
Speaker 2: look like.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, like like there's not Yeah, there's nothing
Speaker 3: guiding any attractions.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yes, you're a woman, I'm gonna, you know,
Speaker 2: try to have sex with you at some point. And
Speaker 2: just like there are certain like you're attracted to some people,
Speaker 2: you're not attracted to some people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there.
Speaker 3: And there's there's there are people that I'm friends with
Speaker 3: who I would say are attractive. Yes, that I'm I know,
Speaker 3: and and maybe because we're we are friends, it's like
Speaker 3: I would never want to be with you, yes, like yeah,
Speaker 3: you're actually you look great, you have great qualities, but
Speaker 3: not for me. This would not work, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: going to work for you. Yes, you're not going to
Speaker 3: Like that's it. And that's to be proof in my
Speaker 3: life where it's like, yeah, this case closed.
Speaker 1: But what if the question isn't can can they be
Speaker 1: platonic friends? What if the question is can two people
Speaker 1: of you know who are attracted to each other be
Speaker 1: platonic friends without ever thinking about it, without ever having
Speaker 1: the thought here and there.
Speaker 2: Without having the thought, yeah.
Speaker 1: I think this is maybe what she's asking. Like then
Speaker 1: if you're if you're thinking about it, it kind of
Speaker 1: changes the foundation of the relationship.
Speaker 2: Maybe I think you still can't I mean life is
Speaker 2: not a rom com yet there, you know, there're yeah,
Speaker 2: I think all of us were friends with people who
Speaker 2: eventually ended up being our partners at some point, but
Speaker 2: that's not every single person of the opposite sex.
Speaker 3: And even vice versa. You can be friendly with someone
Speaker 3: you're with, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, And there is like
Speaker 3: to the extent where it's like you don't even it's
Speaker 3: not even like, oh, it's like my ex that I
Speaker 3: get coffee with and we catch up, but it'll be
Speaker 3: like maybe something happened, and then it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we did do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah I used to.
Speaker 3: Care about it, and it's like yeah, it's it's like
Speaker 3: not even an afterthought. It's like it's hard to even
Speaker 3: imagine that happened.
Speaker 2: I think there is. I think there is a version
Speaker 2: of a man that you know, we don't really surround
Speaker 2: ourselves with, who would say that it's not possible for
Speaker 2: men to be friends with women. And I think there
Speaker 2: is a there. There is, I guess, a version of
Speaker 2: a man that, like any person of the opposite sex,
Speaker 2: they would try it on the table, Yeah, a romantic
Speaker 2: relationship or sex with or something to that degree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like they would yes, like yeah, it does what
Speaker 1: they would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, that's but I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just so bizarre to me. I'm just like, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: like we're not just like animals, and you know, it's
Speaker 2: like people have personalities, like they're like, do you want
Speaker 2: to have sex with every single woman you see? It's
Speaker 2: just like that's crazy to me. Yes, it was a
Speaker 2: low way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, young money.
Speaker 2: And then the last question, also from Catherine, can you
Speaker 2: please share your friendship story? Inquiring minds want to know.
Speaker 2: It's funny. I feel like I've talked about how I
Speaker 2: know you two more than I've talked about how I
Speaker 2: know anyone in mine. God damn life. I've never had
Speaker 2: to explain how I know someone as much as I.
Speaker 3: You know, but we're going to point to this time code.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to do it a lot, but I
Speaker 1: don't think it's all on wax, so to speak.
Speaker 2: No, we've said it individually. Two people especially like, oh
Speaker 2: what is the podcast? Oh how do you know each other?
Speaker 1: Long story shorts? Somebody too long? Didn't read well?
Speaker 2: You always tell the story, nuanced you you shorthanded a
Speaker 2: little bit. Me and no one knew each other first that's.
Speaker 1: A good point. You guys didn't exist until I met you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: So yeah, until we were put into your world, your sandbox.
Speaker 2: Me and uh went to college together. I wouldn't say
Speaker 2: we were really friends in college, but.
Speaker 3: We knew we had some classes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some mutual friends.
Speaker 1: Have you ever did you ever think I'd hang out
Speaker 1: with that guy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but not like it wasn't like let me
Speaker 3: text Devin.
Speaker 2: No, Like I didn't have his number. No I did.
Speaker 2: So this is this is really you know, for the
Speaker 2: real heads here, some real lure. I was interning at
Speaker 2: some shirt company making like social videos before that was
Speaker 2: kind of even really a thing. So they like gave
Speaker 2: me some shirts and we're like, you know, film some
Speaker 2: people wearing them. And I was like, okay, who do
Speaker 2: I know who can fit this shirt? Because the shirt
Speaker 2: they gave me was kind of a small shirt and.
Speaker 3: It was like a like a kind of like the
Speaker 3: shirts made for people who are short.
Speaker 2: Yes, like I don't know that, Yeah it was.
Speaker 3: Well, the idea was a button down shirt long sley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was.
Speaker 1: The idea was like yeah, basically yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: It was a button that you didn't have to talk
Speaker 2: in a more cou button down. So I was like, well, Noah,
Speaker 2: I feel like proportion size makes more sense. Could could
Speaker 2: wear it is So, I don't know how I reached
Speaker 2: out to you.
Speaker 3: That was the only time we ever that I can
Speaker 3: think of that we actually hung out one on one like,
Speaker 3: one on one like.
Speaker 1: So this is like a photo shoot video.
Speaker 2: Actually I made him come to my I had an
Speaker 2: apartment right across from the cathedral. Wow. So we went
Speaker 2: to the roof and I made him. It was maybe
Speaker 2: ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, just like, walk, smile, look at
Speaker 2: the camera.
Speaker 3: We need to pull it, we need to find the Yeah,
Speaker 3: I have a video next.
Speaker 1: The next email is going to be like, can two
Speaker 1: guys be for friends platonically if they invite each other
Speaker 1: over for a little.
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, me and Nolan knew of each other after college.
Speaker 2: I work at the Business Insider and then our friend
Speaker 2: Max Yeah applies. I say, I know that guy. He
Speaker 2: starts working there, and then he told me that you
Speaker 2: were moving to the city. You guys were living together.
Speaker 2: He said you were going to apply and I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I know him. I can't vouch for him.
Speaker 5: I know this guy.
Speaker 2: It seems like a normal guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he started working there, did you?
Speaker 3: But many started Yeah, he started a few months before me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was October twenty fifteen.
Speaker 5: Ye didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone there.
Speaker 2: I do remember going through your resume. I interviewed completely impressed.
Speaker 1: You're blown away by how how I was like the
Speaker 1: floor director of like a local news station.
Speaker 3: All the guys would What.
Speaker 2: I remember from the interview is that it was me
Speaker 2: and another person doing the interview, and we asked you like, Okay,
Speaker 2: if you were to do a story on the news
Speaker 2: thing today, what would it be? And it could I
Speaker 2: could tell you consumed news, which I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's the bar right now. It's like someone who
Speaker 2: knows what's happening.
Speaker 3: Who's the president right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, then we were all three of us
Speaker 2: are working together making primarily news videos, quick turn videos.
Speaker 2: So we had a pretty like tight knit group. We
Speaker 2: were pretty closer together. And what I remember specifically is
Speaker 2: that lunches. We ate a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: lunches together. And then you know, we were using this
Speaker 2: program program it's thing called slack messaging, this messaging thing,
Speaker 2: and so we would have one for our team, and
Speaker 2: then I remember we kind of made our own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to split off. We split off to
Speaker 1: really talk about real guys exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, like did you listen to the new Cardi
Speaker 2: B album? Yeah? So we you know, we started to
Speaker 2: say like, oh, we have similar interests, we were in
Speaker 2: a similar movies. Yeah, And it's just you know, the
Speaker 2: classic sort of thing like you think about it with
Speaker 2: like college, where you're like, all right, you're in a
Speaker 2: bigger group and then you're like, oh, these guys, yeah,
Speaker 2: I have things in interest with them, and then it
Speaker 2: sort of and then we talked.
Speaker 1: We would talk about the talk doing a podcast, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's really I think that the kind of foundation
Speaker 1: of this podcast because we would always be like, you
Speaker 1: know what, we after thirty minutes of arguing, we'd be like,
Speaker 1: as a as a bit, yes, you know what, guys,
Speaker 1: let's save it for the pod. Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's how we became friends and made this podcast.
Speaker 1: And stop fucking asking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about that chapter of my
Speaker 3: life anymore.
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