WEBVTT - NST Mailbag: The RIGHT way to load a dishwasher (& more) 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:03.880 I'm Manny Noah, and this is no such thing. The 0:00:03.920 --> 0:00:07.040 show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours by 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:11.200 actually doing the research. Today's episode is a mailbag episode. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.400 We're gonna be talking about dishwasher etiquette, we're gonna be 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.880 talking about right wing conspiracy theories, and we're gonna be 0:00:17.920 --> 0:00:23.960 answering a question about how exactly the three of us met. No, 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:29.520 there's no no such thing. No touch, thank no touch, 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:35.800 thank touch, thank you, no touch. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:36.199 Thank you. 0:00:42.240 --> 0:00:42.840 All right. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:48.120 Our first question is from a listener named Kimberly. I'll 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:54.240 read it now, Dear Many, Noah and Devin. Years ago, 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.480 when my husband and I of nearly twenty five years 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.800 were in couples therapy, we often discussed our dislike of 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:06.240 how each other loads the dishwasher. Apparently this argument often 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.520 comes up in couple's therapy. We have yet to come 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.479 up with an agreed upon solution. I have had twenty 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.680 seven roommates in my lifetime and that argument came up 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.160 multiple times. In fact, one roommate left because of the disagreement. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:24.120 Thanks and keep up the good work on your show. 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:29.520 So essentially this this person wants us to find out 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:34.920 the real proper way to load a dishwasher, and I 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:36.520 did a little bit of digging. But before we get 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.440 into that, I'm just curious, like, has dishwashing etiquette ever 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:44.040 played a role in your guys's lives and your relationships? 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.440 Has it ever been a source of tension? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.120 I want to say tension, but me and my fiance 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:50.520 are right at odds. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:53.040 I mean, it's. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:01.560 Well, do just I have my style and she and 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:02.800 what are the two styles? 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.400 It's basically up or down for the utensils is oh 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:10.080 is I think the biggest contention because most of it 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.600 here's my process. Most of it's pretty obvious. Mugs, cups 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:17.880 are going to go on the top, they're going down obviously, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:19.239 so it's not filling with the water. 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:21.160 Plates. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:24.240 Everything else is going in the plate section. So I 0:02:24.240 --> 0:02:28.079 think our the only area we're really different is should 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.359 forks and spoons and knives be pointing up or pointing 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.399 down when you're a team up. 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:37.480 I'm team up for you know, sharp knives, I'll put those. 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:41.760 Down for safety, I'm going to hurt myself. But spoons, 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:48.280 everything else I want up. And here's why, partly because well, 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:50.880 what's nice is hopefully there's a little kind of grid 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.280 section where there's a little separation bringing them all in. 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.840 What I worry about when we're putting spoons down in 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.560 the larger areas is the spoons especially are gonna you know, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.480 I'm holding this is a podcast, but I'm holding up 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.440 my hands. They're going to spoon together. So yeah, it 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:09.280 might not get cleaned clean. And we use a lot 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.360 of spoons in my house because we're cooking this dog food. 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.520 We go through mainly spoons. So if we're putting those 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:21.280 head down, I'll say I'm not trust not really, because 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:23.160 they'll and not to mention the water pressure. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:23.240 Up and down. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.799 Who knows what's going on with this building. It might 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.720 there might not be any water touching these things, So yeah, 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.520 put them up that way. It's getting sprayed, it's getting 0:03:32.680 --> 0:03:36.120 rubbed down. These are being cleaned and there's no all 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.360 the food's getting off there and trickling down Versus here's 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.400 another thing. The thing's down. Even if the water is 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:45.040 getting in there and it's getting cleaned, the food might 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:47.520 get you know, sometimes there's bigger pieces of food or something. 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:51.360 It might be stuck down there. So then when I'm unloading, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:53.520 if there's extra food, it's gonna be on the top 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.640 of the spoon and not if there is detritus or something, 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.320 maybe just a little bit on the very bottom, not 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.000 such a big issue you maybe, yeah, do a quick 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:04.440 little rints off, wipe it off, whatever, depending on what 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:06.600 it is. It's on the end of the fork or 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.920 the spoon. Now it's like, I need to watch this run. 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:10.480 I need to really run this. 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.840 Yeah, what are Julia's pros for putting it down? 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:17.080 I think it's just that's how her family did it. So, yeah, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.400 my brother and his wife had the same issue. 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.760 So the thing like, yeah, you. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:31.400 So, and I'll say both of both me and my 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.440 brother have won the battles. 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.040 Okay, so she does it your way. They've conceded. 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:41.320 Wow, I thought the fight was everybody's just doing it 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:42.720 doing it. 0:04:42.960 --> 0:04:45.640 No, I mean, now she does it my way, so 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.320 we don't have We've avoided couples therapy because of this. 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:52.599 I talk about dumb stuff of my therapist all the time. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:54.000 So I understand you. 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:54.640 Got a lot of time. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.120 Yeah, sometimes I'm like, why am I paying this about this. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.360 Scrape in the bottom of the barrel? What else? 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:03.960 What else. 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:13.279 I can share that in my households, we're not really 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.840 at odds because we do like it'll be someone's duty 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.400 to do the dishwasher, so like we were not doing 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.200 it at the same time, so it's not you know, 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:23.839 we don't run into any issues. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.880 But the loading though, like one person loads it. 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:30.480 Yeah, so like if if if I cooked dinner, Mia 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:35.200 will load the dishwasher. But okay, but there certainly has 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:36.880 been a few instances where we both did it at 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:40.320 the same time. And clearly, you know, mea my beautiful, 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.280 smart wife who never does anything wrong, who I would 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:48.320 die for, she will like she loads the dishwasher in 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.040 a way that's very orderly, very like tetris. How can 0:05:51.080 --> 0:05:53.000 we get the most things in there, which is fine. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:53.720 I think it's great. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.839 It does take it through before she's doing it, she's almost. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.840 There's a strategy. Yeah, and I see, and I think 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:04.360 it's beautiful because when she does it, I'm not doing 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:05.800 it and I don't care do what however you want. 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.840 When I do it, it's more like it's like freestyling. 0:06:10.960 --> 0:06:13.440 Like it doesn't take me nearly as much time because 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.320 I'm just making sure everything is throw it. I space 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.839 things out, but like you know, it's obvious organized big 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.039 things on the bottom, smaller things on the top. I 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.120 do go forks up forks and spoons up, and I've 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.360 never I've never thought about it, really. I just kind 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.279 of imagine that the jets or whatever are. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:33.320 Hit the spoon. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:35.919 But Devin, you don't have a dishwasher. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:38.240 I've been in my place. 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.040 Out here washing the dishes manually. 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:42.080 That's why he's in such great shape. 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.120 It is. I think about this all the time, the 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:48.400 amount of time I spend washing dishes every single day. 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.120 It is nasty. It's nasty, but it's just and it's 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:54.239 just me. I'm like, how do I have so many dishes? 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.680 Every day? You finished washing them and then you got 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.400 to wash them again. Yeah, So I haven't had a 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:02.760 dish washer almost the entire time I've been in New York. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:04.719 I've been in New York ten years. I did have 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:06.919 a dishwasher for the first year I was here. I 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.840 don't remember any arguments about how we were loading it 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:14.880 unloading it. And then growing up, we never used a dishwasher. Really, 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.800 we always had a dishwasher, but like, I don't know 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.120 if they didn't work, I don't know why, but they. 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.160 Were just easier to just I think it's very common 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.040 to have a dishwasher. 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.440 We use it. Well, we asked you. This my only 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.160 thing that I do hear people arguing about. And in 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:31.160 terms of dishwashers, just how much you need to clean 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:32.600 your dishes before you put them in there? 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:38.080 Oh yeah, yeah, what is I'm you know, big pieces. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.680 Obviously I'll take off, but I bload them up in 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:42.640 there pretty dirty. 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:45.080 Yeah, and it comes out pretty clean for the most part. 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.360 You might get every once in a while, I might 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:48.240 get like a little thing you have to do again, But. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:50.720 Yeah, I try to. I try to basically do a 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.360 just a very brief rint, swash it down anyway. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:54.920 Yeah. 0:07:55.200 --> 0:07:57.680 Usually it's like one pass like yeah, yeah, but like 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:01.320 I'm not you know, do a quick scrape if you know, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.480 there's certain foods that are going to stay more so 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:05.840 I try to do my best with that. Yes, yeah, 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.960 but I don't go crazy because it's like I basically 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:10.520 run the dishwasher every day, so it's like it's not 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.160 a huge deal of something stuck and then I just 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:14.240 need to do another to pass at it. Or then 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:15.400 it's like I'll take it out and now I'll just 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:16.160 scrub it like. 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:20.920 Yeah, And it does depend on how how quickly after 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.000 eating you put it. 0:08:21.920 --> 0:08:23.520 In the wash. 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.680 If it's sitting in the sink for a while, the 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.080 things are crushed up, and then that actually does not 0:08:29.160 --> 0:08:32.480 work in a dishwasher. So let's talk about how to 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.680 properly load them. My guess is like anytime anyone's arguing 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:41.199 about how to load the dishwasher, they probably largely agree 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.959 like eighty five to ninety percent about what they're doing 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.679 in there. There's these little margins that that take people off. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:47.840 There's not that many options. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.280 Yeah, it's like there's only so many things you can 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:53.880 do in the dishwasher. But when I was digging up 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:57.920 some research on this, I found this guy, Andrew Laughlin. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:02.760 He's an English journal list. He's a tech writer who's 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.160 now kind of I think leaned into I would say, 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:09.560 calling himself a dishwasher expert. Came out with an article 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:12.800 recently about how to properly load a dishwasher. I will 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.400 say this is like from a tech expert point of view, 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:22.040 I think after we read his perspective, I think we 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:25.679 should also look at like does Maytag or Whirlpool or 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:29.240 one of these companies have actual, real instructions on their website. 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.960 So let's start with Andy. I'm just gonna go through 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:35.200 his list. He's got kind of a list of things 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:44.120 in this article for which, okay, scrape the plates, but 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.559 there's no need to rinse them. Knocking off lumps of 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.240 leftover food before loading the dishwasher will give it the 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.960 best chance of getting everything clean, but most dishwashers will 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:57.240 pre rinse your dishes anyway. You don't need to run 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.760 them under the tap. It's a waste of water. Number two, 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:02.640 Now here's what I learned when I was looking up. 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:03.199 I didn't know this. 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:08.040 Uh, the dirty side of every item should face the 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.559 center of the dishwasher. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:10.880 Oh so when. 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.120 You're looking let's say you're in front of your dishwasher 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.040 and you're looking down on it. You want to put 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.439 a bowl on the right side of the dishwasher, it 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:21.480 should be facing the left, like all the items should 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:22.520 be facing the center. 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:24.240 That makes it, I mean, yeah, I mean the way 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.520 my the rack is set up is yeah, incentivizes that. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.320 Yeah, which is I only noticed that after I read this. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:34.320 I was like, oh, yeah, of course they're slanted in 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:36.520 a way that It's like I didn't know. 0:10:36.720 --> 0:10:39.680 I just kind of dirty faces needs to face the center. 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:41.719 Yeah, the water is coming in. Oh yeah, because the 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.080 water is shooting from a thing in the center. Yeah right, yeah, 0:10:44.760 --> 0:10:45.320 that makes sense. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:48.080 Number three is and this is another thing I do wrong. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.600 Don't overload the dishwasher. Yeah, leave a lot of space 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.319 between dishes and cutlery for the water and detergent is 0:10:54.400 --> 0:11:00.480 spread around. I'm I'm a I I just stacked as much. 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:01.400 How often do you run? 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.640 We're going once a day, at least at least at 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:10.160 least yeah minimum, Yeah, sometimes twice a day. It's exactly 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:16.400 like my shower routine. At least once my plate's getting washed. 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:19.880 Another one, cups and glasses up top that one. I 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:25.240 think no one's really arguing about that one. I think Okay. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.360 Number eleven, here's the key one. It's called the key 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.960 to loading cutlery. The reason your utensils don't always get 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.760 clean could be because like for like items are sitting 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.400 too close to each other, meaning there's no space for 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.840 the washpoon. That's what Noah was saying about the spoons 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:46.320 that are that spooning. This issue known as nesting, can 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.640 happen when spoons lean into each other. To solve this place, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:58.640 some upright and some downwards. I wasn't expecting. I wasn't expecting. 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:01.560 It makes sense if we're if it's a kind of 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.480 loose area you're putting them into. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:05.959 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:08.280 If you have a nice one that's gritted, so it's 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.520 separating each one, it's not conn because they're never going 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.760 to say they're just they're not touching. So I'll accept that. 0:12:14.920 --> 0:12:17.160 Yeah, because I can see the I have like one 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.520 utensils kind of compartment, but half of it is gritted, 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:25.640 and yeah that's half. Yeah, free for all, So that's interesting. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.360 The exception to this rule is knives. It's safer to 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.280 just put them pointing side down. It's like I wrote this. Yeah, 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.199 now here's a couple of other things you mentioned in 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.240 the articles. Can you add items to the dishwasher after. 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.240 It's started, just leave it alone? 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.800 Did it just start once I press start, I'm like, 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.720 it's over that things locked into If. 0:12:46.640 --> 0:12:48.839 It's if it's if you just hit it, I think 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:49.600 you could stop it. 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:53.480 Yeah yeah, yeah, basically if it's an hour and just 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.880 let it go, yeah, because then it's really hot in there. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:56.760 I don't know if you guys have. 0:12:57.040 --> 0:13:02.280 Yeah, and it's like yeah, just wait okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:04.280 There are times when I don't even realize it's still going, 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:05.959 and you know, there's just something and it's like, oh, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:06.680 I open it up in. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.920 Yeah, I can't even like put in there. It's burning. Yeah, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.920 He says most most dishwashers tend to run a pre 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.559 wash stage first, which is equivalent to us just running 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.239 it under the faucet. Totally fine to open the dishwasher 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.160 at that stage. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.040 I would agree with that. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.360 After ten minutes or so, probably in there, yeah, not 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.640 even at least after ten minutes or so, better to 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:35.640 just let it finish it. So that was our dishwasher expert. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:41.559 Uh Andrew Lachlan. Now here's the thing. I've seen some 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.280 of the some of his videos on TikTok. They're very viral, 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.600 millions of views on these things, but a lot of 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:53.440 engineers and plumbers and other tech experts will be in 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:58.960 the comments saying, actually, what you're saying is wrong. So 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.720 I think it's still ends up being a matter of 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.800 preference for the most part. But I thought it would 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.160 be a good idea to go to like the actual 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:12.560 website of a dishwasher manufacturer and see what they say 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:15.480 and see how closely. It aligns with what Andrew says. 0:14:15.520 --> 0:14:20.080 All right, who we got We're gonna go with Maytag. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.280 All right, so here's the Maytag website. They've got their 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.320 own article up called how to load a dishwasher the 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:32.400 right way. Step four. Load utensils into the utensil basket. Forks, knives, 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.040 and spoons should be placed in the utensil basket. Loads 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:40.640 spoons and forks with their handles facing down so the 0:14:40.760 --> 0:14:42.600 utensils can get a proper clean. So I think they 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:44.840 mean the functional parts facing up. 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.360 Yeah, so that's a that's. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.160 A no dub noh innocent. Sharp knives should be loaded 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:53.400 with the blades down to protect their hands while unloading 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:54.080 the dishwasher. 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.320 They need to put that before someone them. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:14:59.480 Someone's definitely done that. 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:06.280 Put their hands all knives, goddamn me. 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.680 And then here's some tips. Place larger items in the 0:15:12.720 --> 0:15:15.680 back of the rack near the wall of the tub. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:20.680 Fill gaps with smaller dishes. Use the utensil basket to 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:24.160 space out all your utensils and other small items like 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:29.360 reusable straws. Avoid putting plastic items on the bottom rack, 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.360 as this rack is closest to the appliance's heating elements. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.840 Oh so tupperwars, I just want to go on the 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:39.040 upper rack, I guess because they're not as affected by 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:39.400 the heat. 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:42.880 Leave some room. This is this all kind of makes sense. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:44.840 A lot of insightful stuff in there. So I hope 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.840 our listener learned something. I hope one of the answers 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.920 in there lets you own your husband. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.360 Yeah, and good luck with your marriage. 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:54.720 Yeah, twenty five years. 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:55.480 It's a long time. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:57.840 Clearly wasn't that big of an issue. 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:58.960 No, they're working, hope not. 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:11.200 Our next mail bag question was emailed to us by 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:19.760 manted Pouts. There have been several stories that circulated over 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:24.600 kitty litter being in liberal school district classrooms because some 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.160 kids identified as cats. I have friends whom I cannot 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.680 convince that this is a false story. I've offered them 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.400 one thousand dollars if they could show me a school 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.200 board meeting where it was even seriously addressed in the 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:43.760 minutes of the meeting. No such thing. What do you think? Yeah, 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.280 I remember, I think we were both working at NBC 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.760 when this fiasco happened, and it is essentially what I 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:52.040 can remember is that like a bunch of like right 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.800 wing pundits and politicians were like, well, look at this, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.680 it's so crazy. Even kids are identifying as cats, and 0:16:57.720 --> 0:16:59.920 that's why they wanted kitty litter in class. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:04.240 My friend his wife is a school teacher and she 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.639 works at a school that had to install a litter 0:17:07.680 --> 0:17:10.680 box in the girl's room because there is a girl 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.760 who's a furry who identifies as an animal. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.600 I think a big part of this story was like, 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:19.919 this is around obviously a lot of conversation in regards 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:24.040 to trans rights, and people were saying, Okay, if you 0:17:24.200 --> 0:17:28.280 let children pick their pronouns, then what next are going 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.720 to be identifying as trees and other things? And then 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.359 then they were like, oh, now there are children identifying 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:40.199 as cats, and this is all because we let trans 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:41.600 people have right slip. 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:46.359 Yeah, exactly, the story time or whatever. Yes, yeah, the 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:47.040 drag crag. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.520 Exactly. If you let trans people exist, your kids will 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:52.959 eventually be cats. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.320 My main memory of this actually is at our former 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.800 colleague Ben Collins wrote a story about this. He at 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:03.400 the time was debunking a lot of like right wing conspiracies, 0:18:03.600 --> 0:18:06.800 and so I actually just called Ben to have him 0:18:06.800 --> 0:18:07.720 explain this one to me. 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.479 Okay, manny in company. Hello, it is good to hear 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.080 from you. I don't know why I'm hearing from you 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.800 for this reason, because it's the worst fucking reason. But 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.000 here it is litter boxes in schools. So in twenty 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.600 twenty one, there was a person who started a rumor 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:30.520 in the Prince Edward Island Public School Facebook group saying 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.640 that litter boxes have been placed in schools to make 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.320 it so furries have a safe place to go to school. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:42.480 This was bullshit, didn't exist, they said. The kids identified 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:46.800 as cats, but it obviously struck a nerve with transphobes 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.720 and pieces of shit who are trying to conflates furries, 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.360 trans people, any gender nonconforming thing. Up in New England, 0:18:54.480 --> 0:18:56.200 they had litter boxes. 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.440 The accommodations for this child who identifies as a cat. 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.960 In this if you don't know what furries are, it's 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.120 were school children dress up as animals, cats or dogs 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:07.560 during the school day. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:11.600 There was never in Prince Edward Island or otherwise any 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:15.680 litter box in that school. So the issue is this 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.200 took off like wildfire on Facebook because of the algorithm. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.440 A couple months later, a lady in Midland, Michigan, went 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:23.359 to her public school board meeting and said there were 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:26.040 kids identifying as cats and they were peeing in litterboxes and. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:26.800 School and stuff. 0:19:27.080 --> 0:19:30.120 That wasn't true either. Then it really took off because 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:33.280 people like Lauren Bobert and a bunch of other congressional 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:37.880 candidates in twenty different places in the United States. By 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:39.960 the time we reported the story in NBC newsers me 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:43.359 and my colleague Tyler and Kaid Brandy's Drows and he Bengogian. 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.760 We called every single school district that was alleged by 0:19:47.800 --> 0:19:54.440 GOP congress people or candidates to have litter boxes in schools, 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.880 and zero of them obviously had litter boxes except for one. 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:04.200 In that one place where there was litter cat litter 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.560 in a bucket. It was in a thing called a 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:11.280 go buckets and it was in Colorado, and it was 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.040 the Jefferson County School District, And the Jefferson County School 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.480 District is the home of Columbine. And those those go 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.399 buckets were used in the event of an incredibly long 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.440 school shut down or kids had to stay locked down 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:33.240 in their classrooms because of a school shooting or something similar. 0:20:34.000 --> 0:20:36.639 So this is how evil this is in in cities, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:40.400 this is this trans panic that existed that targeted, you know, 0:20:41.520 --> 0:20:44.920 all these kids with this bullshit rumor from scared adults, 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:50.440 spawned of the very problem that is the heart of 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:56.960 the American sickness, which is basically Columbine necessitated go buckets. 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:01.000 Go buckets had cat litter in them, and then from 0:21:01.000 --> 0:21:05.480 there it's fonnded this ridiculous moral panic about kids acting 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.200 different in any way anyways. It's evil. It's one of 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.119 the worst stories ever worked out in my life. And 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.080 I hope you have a great day, have a good 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:12.800 day everybody. 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.920 By the KIDDI litter thing was always bullshit. I didn't 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.200 know about the Columbine aspect of it, that there was 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.239 actually litter there, you know, for a very practical and 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:28.240 tragic reason, and that it was kind of repurpose to essentially, 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:32.399 you know, mitigate any progress with the social acceptance of 0:21:32.400 --> 0:21:38.000 trans people. The worst aspect of these kind of stories 0:21:38.119 --> 0:21:40.600 is that when you when you know, the guy who 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.800 emailed us, he's going to go to his friends and 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.640 prove that it was bullshit. And the worst fucking thing 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.879 the friends are going to say is, well, isn't it 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:50.760