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Speaker 1: I'm Manny Noah, and this is no such thing. The

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Speaker 1: show where we settle our dumb arguments and yours by

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Speaker 1: actually doing the research. Today's episode is a mailbag episode.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about dishwasher etiquette, we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about right wing conspiracy theories, and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: answering a question about how exactly the three of us met. No,

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Speaker 1: there's no no such thing. No touch, thank no touch,

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Speaker 1: thank touch, thank you, no touch.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: Our first question is from a listener named Kimberly. I'll

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Speaker 1: read it now, Dear Many, Noah and Devin. Years ago,

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Speaker 1: when my husband and I of nearly twenty five years

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Speaker 1: were in couples therapy, we often discussed our dislike of

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Speaker 1: how each other loads the dishwasher. Apparently this argument often

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Speaker 1: comes up in couple's therapy. We have yet to come

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Speaker 1: up with an agreed upon solution. I have had twenty

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Speaker 1: seven roommates in my lifetime and that argument came up

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Speaker 1: multiple times. In fact, one roommate left because of the disagreement.

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Speaker 1: Thanks and keep up the good work on your show.

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Speaker 1: So essentially this this person wants us to find out

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Speaker 1: the real proper way to load a dishwasher, and I

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Speaker 1: did a little bit of digging. But before we get

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Speaker 1: into that, I'm just curious, like, has dishwashing etiquette ever

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Speaker 1: played a role in your guys's lives and your relationships?

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Speaker 1: Has it ever been a source of tension?

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Speaker 3: I want to say tension, but me and my fiance

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 1: Well, do just I have my style and she and

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Speaker 3: It's basically up or down for the utensils is oh

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Speaker 3: here's my process. Most of it's pretty obvious. Mugs, cups

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Speaker 3: Everything else is going in the plate section. So I

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Speaker 1: I'm team up for you know, sharp knives, I'll put those.

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Speaker 3: Down for safety, I'm going to hurt myself. But spoons,

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Speaker 3: everything else I want up. And here's why, partly because well,

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Speaker 3: What I worry about when we're putting spoons down in

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Speaker 3: my hands. They're going to spoon together. So yeah, it

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Speaker 3: Who knows what's going on with this building. It might

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Speaker 3: put them up that way. It's getting sprayed, it's getting

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what are Julia's pros for putting it down?

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Speaker 1: But Devin, you don't have a dishwasher.

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Speaker 2: I've been in my place.

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Speaker 2: It is. I think about this all the time, the

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Speaker 2: It is nasty. It's nasty, but it's just and it's

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Speaker 1: Were just easier to just I think it's very common

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Speaker 2: We use it. Well, we asked you. This my only

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what is I'm you know, big pieces.

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Speaker 1: Obviously I'll take off, but I bload them up in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I try to. I try to basically do a

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Speaker 3: just a very brief rint, swash it down anyway.

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Speaker 3: Usually it's like one pass like yeah, yeah, but like

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Speaker 3: I'm not you know, do a quick scrape if you know,

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Speaker 3: I try to do my best with that. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I don't go crazy because it's like I basically

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it does depend on how how quickly after

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Speaker 1: If it's sitting in the sink for a while, the

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Speaker 1: work in a dishwasher. So let's talk about how to

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Speaker 3: There's not that many options.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like there's only so many things you can

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Speaker 1: do in the dishwasher. But when I was digging up

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Speaker 1: So let's start with Andy. I'm just gonna go through

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Speaker 1: his list. He's got kind of a list of things

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Speaker 1: there's no need to rinse them. Knocking off lumps of

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Speaker 1: Now here's what I learned when I was looking up.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know this.

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Speaker 1: Uh, the dirty side of every item should face the

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Speaker 3: That makes it, I mean, yeah, I mean the way

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is I only noticed that after I read this.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of dirty faces needs to face the center.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the water is coming in. Oh yeah, because the

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Speaker 3: water is shooting from a thing in the center. Yeah right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Number three is and this is another thing I do wrong.

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Speaker 1: Don't overload the dishwasher. Yeah, leave a lot of space

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Speaker 1: spread around. I'm I'm a I I just stacked as much.

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Speaker 2: reading versus listening to news. So Cynthia says, does watching

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Speaker 2: shut out Brian Lair. All right.

436
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Speaker 1: I guess like the big the big picture news like

437
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: a bombing happened in this city, like that, the vehicle

438
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: of that information has completely shifted to audio or TV.

439
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,439
Speaker 1: When I read the New York Times or any other outlet,

440
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: it's some kind of analysis versus like, here's what happened.

441
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Speaker 1: So it's an interesting question, what have you learned about it? Noah.

442
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: So, someone who did research on this wrote an article

443
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: in The Wall Street Journal a couple months ago summing.

444
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: Up what they found.

445
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Speaker 3: The main kind of top line stuff is that you

446
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 3: don't get as much detail when you're just listening, and

447
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 3: you get a kind of worse or more negative perception

448
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: of the news when you're listening versus reading, I think

449
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 3: because you're not picking up as much detail, so you

450
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 3: just have a I believe it's called negativity bias, so

451
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: you hear anything bad and you'll just focus in on that.

452
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Speaker 3: If you're asked then like to kind of list your

453
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 3: main takeaways, it'll be on the negative things. I think

454
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Speaker 3: the example they did in the research was, I think

455
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: she's a professor of marketing, so it was more on

456
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Speaker 3: the kind of consumer product side, But it was basically

457
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Speaker 3: like people were given an article about a shampoo, and

458
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 3: the people who read it came away with a more

459
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: even sort of sense of it versus the people who

460
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 3: listened only kind of noticed about maybe a you know,

461
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Speaker 3: a possibly bad item in it or ingredient or something,

462
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: and the negative effects that would have and none of

463
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Speaker 3: the positive that this product would have on your hair

464
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,159
Speaker 3: or whatever, which which I think makes sense, like if

465
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Speaker 3: you're listening, I mean, I think it just goes back

466
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 3: to kind of the classic like why all the news

467
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 3: is seems so negative and if it bleeds, it leads

468
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: sort of thing where it's, yeah, it's just more interesting

469
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 3: to hear about bad things then yeah, like oh, it's

470
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Speaker 3: a nice day out, everyone's happy. Like there's not much

471
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Speaker 3: to say there, you know, And.

472
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Speaker 2: That's the stuff that's going to get emphasized, especially in

473
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Speaker 2: these like smaller slots on radio where you know, that's

474
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Speaker 2: the thing. I listened to a lot of radio, so

475
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Speaker 2: like I get a lot of news from it, but

476
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Speaker 2: you can a lot of people will be like, oh,

477
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Speaker 2: I just listened to like a ten minute recap, you know,

478
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 2: to do those sort of things, and that will be

479
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Speaker 2: all the information they have in that story. And sure,

480
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 2: those are like fifteen seconds slots where they're trying to

481
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: give you what you need to know. So you're going

482
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: to remember the negative thing because that's going to be

483
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: the thing that emphasize. They're not going to say, oh, yeah,

484
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,840
Speaker 2: and the shampoo does a whole bunch of great things.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

486
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Speaker 3: It's basically you're getting the headline versus the body and

487
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Speaker 3: the details that might have a little more context exactly.

488
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Speaker 2: I wonder like if someone listening to something, you know,

489
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Speaker 2: like the Daily, which is like more in depth on

490
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: one topic, would have that same.

491
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Speaker 3: I see away yeah, my son should probably be less

492
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Speaker 3: of a but I'm sure, Yeah, I'm sure. I think

493
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: overall probably yeah, similar to just the audiobooks reading thing

494
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 3: as far as what you retain, but I would assume

495
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: where it's longer form and more in depth, you're gonna

496
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: get a little bit more of the nuance than like

497
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: a five minute news piece you're listening versus reading.

498
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Speaker 2: Okay, it's just from Jessica. I have a super important

499
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 2: question in a traffic situation involving a school bus with

500
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Speaker 2: the stop sign out of course, an ambulance with flashing lights,

501
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: and a funeral procession. Who has the right away? So

502
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 2: we got a school bus, yeah, yes, with the stop

503
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: sign out. Yeah, an ambulance with flashing lights in a

504
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 2: funeral procession. All right, So I'll go for the.

505
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: Ambulance yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of easy.

506
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 2: Ambulance number one.

507
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, watch out for the kids.

508
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: Number two Yeah, yeah, I said the school if we're

509
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: putting them in order of yeah, okay, ambulance, school bus,

510
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: the funeral. Sorry, the person's dead already.

511
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say it, but yeah, it's like, yeah,

512
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 3: that's more of a courtesy thing to exactly, that's not

513
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 3: law the stop you know, in an ambulance driving, it

514
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: doesn't mean they can they can just run over people.

515
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: It's like obviously they're not going to smash into things

516
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: for people. Yeah, but yeah, that's that's the most pressing

517
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 3: issue clearly.

518
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but here's another angle to this.

519
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: All right.

520
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,719
Speaker 1: I agree that like, let's hear. I agree that, like

521
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Speaker 1: the the most urgent, like who's who's who needs to

522
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 1: be saved right now? That should be the person who

523
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Speaker 1: gets to go. Yeah, but I'm curious about whether there's

524
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: like a legal aspect to this, Like if the bus

525
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: is parked and the stop sign is out, going through

526
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: the stop sign is like, isn't that like a felony

527
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Speaker 1: or something like.

528
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: Not to hear an ambulance with the lights on.

529
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: I know, but that's what the legal question is.

530
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 3: But it's not a private and it's like police are

531
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: like you you're allowed to do it.

532
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, police drive through lights all the time. All right.

533
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: What if the ambulance drives to the stop sign and hits.

534
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: A kid, Well, this city will probably get sued.

535
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.

536
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's illegal.

537
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: We're not talking about hitting a kid.

538
00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,719
Speaker 6: I know, I'm right, now, yeah, I stop sign illegally

539
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 6: illegal to hit kids in all cases, it was the

540
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 6: funeral procession that ran me over.

541
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: No, but then you could the ambulance driver wouldn't be

542
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: uh prosecute. I don't think, well the.

543
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: Prosecuted in either situation to be on if they hit

544
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: a kid.

545
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, if they were, unless they the sirens, unless they're

546
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: a negligent.

547
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, That's what.

548
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, Yeah, what is the if there's like

549
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: any kind of illegal thing to it, where there is

550
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: actually a right answer.

551
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't think the right answer is always emergency vehicles.

552
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: Get the right I feel like there's yeah, a school.

553
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: Bus is not getting a right away over emergency vehicle.

554
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: Should they close the stop signs they see the.

555
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: Driver let any kids off the bus at that point

556
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 2: Mitchell Holdan closed the door.

557
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's getting spitballs shot.

558
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

559
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 3: I'll look into this to check if there is some

560
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 3: sort of real proper answer. But yeah, I mean I

561
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 3: believe she says that this happened to.

562
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: Her, Yes, so that the Jesus asked this. There has

563
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: been a pressing question in her life since her aunt

564
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: passed fifteen years ago. Sorry about that. Uh, and they

565
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: encounter this while driving to the cemetery.

566
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: So they were in the procession. Yeah, unfortunately, I you know,

567
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: rest in peace to your loved one. But that was

568
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: the easiest one on the bottom of the Yeah.

569
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's school bus an emergency vehicle here. Yeah.

570
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Speaker 3: I mean I feel like no one, even the funeral

571
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 3: director couldn't argue that.

572
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean, well, we'll call up a police

573
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: I'll look it. Yeah, I'll call down. Really, no, thanks,

574
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: we should we should be like, yeah, sure.

575
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: Who would they arrest first? Yeah, because the cop is

576
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: gonna arrest all of everyone. Yeah, the kids kids first,

577
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: they're getting drags to Alligator Alcatraz.

578
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: It's from Fountain Valley dot gov. California. Emergency vehicles with

579
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Speaker 2: active lights andro sirens have the right of way and

580
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: drivers must yield to them. The California Your Vehicle Code

581
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: state you must yield the right of way to any

582
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: police vehicle, fire engine, ambulance or other emergency vehicle using

583
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 2: a siren in red lights.

584
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: So that means the bus. The school bus driver closes

585
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: the stop sign, waits for the sirens to go by, then,

586
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: to be honest, he puts the stop sign back out.

587
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: The funeral people have to wait until the kids get

588
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: on the bus. Yes, yeah, the bus drives off. Funeral

589
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: procession may proceed.

590
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that may.

591
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: I mean that's that seems fair to me.

592
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems fair to me too.

593
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 5: Allow it.

594
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to change this.

595
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: One, all right. So then we have one last question

596
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: from Catherine. Can men and women really be friends? This

597
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: is uh this when Harry met Sally?

598
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I assume she means can men and women be friends

599
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: without one person helping? Feelings?

600
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: No romance? Yeah, maybe the wrong group of guys that

601
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: asked this.

602
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: We're too we're too soy boy liberals.

603
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: We all have friends who are women.

604
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: I don't see gender who are not romantically.

605
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, this seems like a pretty easy yes. I think

606
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: it's I have.

607
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Many friendships that are with the opposite gender that are

608
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: extremely platonic.

609
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: Yes, extremely. This is always such a this has been Like,

610
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 2: I think it's a valid question. I know people debate

611
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: all the time. To me, it's just like so bizarre

612
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: because it just assumes that men and women always want

613
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: to have sex with one another, no matter what they

614
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: look like.

615
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, like like there's not Yeah, there's nothing

616
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: guiding any attractions.

617
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: It's just like, yes, you're a woman, I'm gonna, you know,

618
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: try to have sex with you at some point. And

619
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: just like there are certain like you're attracted to some people,

620
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: you're not attracted to some people.

621
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well there.

622
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: And there's there's there are people that I'm friends with

623
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 3: who I would say are attractive. Yes, that I'm I know,

624
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 3: and and maybe because we're we are friends, it's like

625
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: I would never want to be with you, yes, like yeah,

626
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 3: you're actually you look great, you have great qualities, but

627
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: not for me. This would not work, Like I'm not

628
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: going to work for you. Yes, you're not going to

629
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: Like that's it. And that's to be proof in my

630
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: life where it's like, yeah, this case closed.

631
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: But what if the question isn't can can they be

632
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: platonic friends? What if the question is can two people

633
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: of you know who are attracted to each other be

634
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: platonic friends without ever thinking about it, without ever having

635
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: the thought here and there.

636
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: Without having the thought, yeah.

637
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: I think this is maybe what she's asking. Like then

638
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: if you're if you're thinking about it, it kind of

639
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: changes the foundation of the relationship.

640
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: Maybe I think you still can't I mean life is

641
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: not a rom com yet there, you know, there're yeah,

642
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: I think all of us were friends with people who

643
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 2: eventually ended up being our partners at some point, but

644
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: that's not every single person of the opposite sex.

645
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 3: And even vice versa. You can be friendly with someone

646
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 3: you're with, yes, yeah, yeah, yes, And there is like

647
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: to the extent where it's like you don't even it's

648
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: not even like, oh, it's like my ex that I

649
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: get coffee with and we catch up, but it'll be

650
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: like maybe something happened, and then it's like, oh, yeah,

651
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: we did do that.

652
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 1: Yeah I used to.

653
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: Care about it, and it's like yeah, it's it's like

654
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 3: not even an afterthought. It's like it's hard to even

655
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:36,360
Speaker 3: imagine that happened.

656
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Speaker 2: I think there is. I think there is a version

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Speaker 2: of a man that you know, we don't really surround

658
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Speaker 2: ourselves with, who would say that it's not possible for

659
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 2: men to be friends with women. And I think there

660
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: is a there. There is, I guess, a version of

661
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Speaker 2: a man that, like any person of the opposite sex,

662
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Speaker 2: they would try it on the table, Yeah, a romantic

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Speaker 2: relationship or sex with or something to that degree.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like they would yes, like yeah, it does what

665
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Speaker 1: they would.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, that's but I don't know,

667
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Speaker 2: it's just so bizarre to me. I'm just like, yeah, dude,

668
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: like we're not just like animals, and you know, it's

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00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: like people have personalities, like they're like, do you want

670
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Speaker 2: to have sex with every single woman you see? It's

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Speaker 2: just like that's crazy to me. Yes, it was a

672
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Speaker 2: low way.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, young money.

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Speaker 2: And then the last question, also from Catherine, can you

675
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 2: please share your friendship story? Inquiring minds want to know.

676
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: It's funny. I feel like I've talked about how I

677
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: know you two more than I've talked about how I

678
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: know anyone in mine. God damn life. I've never had

679
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: to explain how I know someone as much as I.

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Speaker 3: You know, but we're going to point to this time code.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to do it a lot, but I

682
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: don't think it's all on wax, so to speak.

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00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 2: No, we've said it individually. Two people especially like, oh

684
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: what is the podcast? Oh how do you know each other?

685
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: Long story shorts? Somebody too long? Didn't read well?

686
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Speaker 2: You always tell the story, nuanced you you shorthanded a

687
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: little bit. Me and no one knew each other first that's.

688
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: A good point. You guys didn't exist until I met you.

689
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, until we were put into your world, your sandbox.

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Speaker 2: Me and uh went to college together. I wouldn't say

692
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 2: we were really friends in college, but.

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Speaker 3: We knew we had some classes.

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00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had some mutual friends.

695
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: Have you ever did you ever think I'd hang out

696
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: with that guy?

697
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

698
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but not like it wasn't like let me

699
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: text Devin.

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00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,439
Speaker 2: No, Like I didn't have his number. No I did.

701
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: So this is this is really you know, for the

702
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: real heads here, some real lure. I was interning at

703
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 2: some shirt company making like social videos before that was

704
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 2: kind of even really a thing. So they like gave

705
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: me some shirts and we're like, you know, film some

706
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 2: people wearing them. And I was like, okay, who do

707
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: I know who can fit this shirt? Because the shirt

708
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 2: they gave me was kind of a small shirt and.

709
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: It was like a like a kind of like the

710
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 3: shirts made for people who are short.

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00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: Yes, like I don't know that, Yeah it was.

712
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, the idea was a button down shirt long sley.

713
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it was.

714
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: The idea was like yeah, basically yeah, that's right.

715
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: It was a button that you didn't have to talk

716
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 2: in a more cou button down. So I was like, well, Noah,

717
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: I feel like proportion size makes more sense. Could could

718
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: wear it is So, I don't know how I reached

719
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: out to you.

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Speaker 3: That was the only time we ever that I can

721
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: think of that we actually hung out one on one like,

722
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: one on one like.

723
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: So this is like a photo shoot video.

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Speaker 2: Actually I made him come to my I had an

725
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: apartment right across from the cathedral. Wow. So we went

726
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: to the roof and I made him. It was maybe

727
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 2: ten fifteen minutes. Yeah, just like, walk, smile, look at

728
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 2: the camera.

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00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: We need to pull it, we need to find the Yeah,

730
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 3: I have a video next.

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Speaker 1: The next email is going to be like, can two

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Speaker 1: guys be for friends platonically if they invite each other

733
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Speaker 1: over for a little.

734
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: So, Yeah, me and Nolan knew of each other after college.

735
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: I work at the Business Insider and then our friend

736
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Speaker 2: Max Yeah applies. I say, I know that guy. He

737
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: starts working there, and then he told me that you

738
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Speaker 2: were moving to the city. You guys were living together.

739
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: He said you were going to apply and I said, yeah,

740
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,439
Speaker 2: I know him. I can't vouch for him.

741
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Speaker 5: I know this guy.

742
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 2: It seems like a normal guy.

743
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

744
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he started working there, did you?

745
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: But many started Yeah, he started a few months before me.

746
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was October twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Ye didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know anyone there.

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Speaker 2: I do remember going through your resume. I interviewed completely impressed.

750
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: You're blown away by how how I was like the

751
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: floor director of like a local news station.

752
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 3: All the guys would What.

753
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: I remember from the interview is that it was me

754
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 2: and another person doing the interview, and we asked you like, Okay,

755
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: if you were to do a story on the news

756
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 2: thing today, what would it be? And it could I

757
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 2: could tell you consumed news, which I was like, yeah,

758
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: that's that's the bar right now. It's like someone who

759
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: knows what's happening.

760
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: Who's the president right now?

761
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, then we were all three of us

762
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 2: are working together making primarily news videos, quick turn videos.

763
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: So we had a pretty like tight knit group. We

764
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: were pretty closer together. And what I remember specifically is

765
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 2: that lunches. We ate a lot of a lot of

766
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: lunches together. And then you know, we were using this

767
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: program program it's thing called slack messaging, this messaging thing,

768
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: and so we would have one for our team, and

769
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: then I remember we kind of made our own.

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00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had to split off. We split off to

771
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: really talk about real guys exactly.

772
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: You know, like did you listen to the new Cardi

773
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: B album? Yeah? So we you know, we started to

774
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: say like, oh, we have similar interests, we were in

775
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: a similar movies. Yeah, And it's just you know, the

776
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: classic sort of thing like you think about it with

777
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: like college, where you're like, all right, you're in a

778
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: bigger group and then you're like, oh, these guys, yeah,

779
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: I have things in interest with them, and then it

780
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: sort of and then we talked.

781
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 1: We would talk about the talk doing a podcast, yeah,

782
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: And that's really I think that the kind of foundation

783
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: of this podcast because we would always be like, you

784
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: know what, we after thirty minutes of arguing, we'd be like,

785
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: as a as a bit, yes, you know what, guys,

786
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: let's save it for the pod. Yeah.

787
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 2: That's how we became friends and made this podcast.

788
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: And stop fucking asking.

789
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not gonna talk about that chapter of my

790
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: life anymore.

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Speaker 1: That was a dark times. Thanks for listening to No

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795
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,399
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