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Speaker 3: You're talking to guy who's built the largest service corp

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Speaker 3: we've invested since I've been governor, forty six percent increase

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Speaker 3: I'm not naive about some of your critiques, but one

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Speaker 1: You're a father and a husband, four kids, Is that right, Governor?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Four two boys, two girls.

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Speaker 1: What advice or what learnings? What do you think you

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Speaker 2: Just you were. I'm so influence.

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Speaker 3: I'm so influenced by what you've written, what you talk

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Speaker 3: come on, superpower, empathy, care, compassion, it's not about power,

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Speaker 3: I do think the notion of, you know, be a

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Speaker 1: You're in a constant attack, as are other political leaders,

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Speaker 2: Yeah? It's brutal. I mean, no old's barred.

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Speaker 2: And you do you come dehumanized. I worry about that

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Speaker 2: Just that's not right. And you know, people's wives.

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Speaker 3: That's why, man, I you know, divorce is not an

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Speaker 1: And last thing, Governor. In your book, you were very

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Speaker 2: Well, I just young.

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Speaker 3: I called the book young man in a hurry, you know,

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Speaker 3: And and you know, you don't get it over the

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Speaker 3: And you know, I sat there with her last breath,

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Speaker 2: It's not just about you.

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Speaker 3: And you know, it came for me a little bit

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Speaker 1: Yeavin Newston is an American politician and businessman who serves

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Speaker 1: as the fortieth governor of California. Governor. Very much appreciate

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Scott. Wonderful to be with you.

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Speaker 1: This episode was produced by Jennifer Sanchez and Laura Jennaire.

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