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Speaker 1: From me Theaters World News Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This

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Speaker 1: is Col's we Can Review with Ryan cal Callahan. Now

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Speaker 1: here's Cal.

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Speaker 2: Hey. This week Cal's wee Can Review special drop special

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Speaker 2: guest Tony Peterson. Tony uh is you know he's an

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Speaker 2: arboreal tree dweller. He's a white tail guy in other words.

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Speaker 2: But on top of that, and more importantly Moore more

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Speaker 2: in response to everybody who writes in and stops me

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Speaker 2: in airports and all that stuff, he's a dog dude.

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Speaker 2: of your dog needs. Okay, you don't have to do anything.

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Speaker 2: your feet open. Listen every other week to Foundations. What

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Speaker 2: are they going to learn on howndations?

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Speaker 1: Man, They're gonna learn so much stuff about dogs Top three.

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Speaker 1: A lot of it will be based on our coevolution

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Speaker 1: with canines and how that sort of feeds into what

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Speaker 1: we should be doing with them today. I mean and

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Speaker 1: in every aspect, right, like not just bird dogs and

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Speaker 1: how you should be training them to hunt, but how

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Speaker 1: to how to you know, give them a better life,

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Speaker 1: better quality of life, how to work with them. There'll

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Speaker 1: be a lot of training stuff on there too, thank you. Know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like you, I'm big. I'm big into getting my

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Speaker 1: dogs to do what I want them to do the

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Speaker 1: right way and asking them the right questions and hooundations.

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Speaker 1: Is going to cover a lot of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Nice, including like tying the rag on the fridge handle

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Speaker 2: so they can get you a beer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that will be the primary primary.

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Speaker 2: So when you say, like evolution, I feel like that's

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Speaker 2: the natural stopping point.

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Speaker 1: That's where we should end it, right, that's the peak.

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Speaker 2: How are we going to get better than that? Yes,

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Speaker 2: that's a pretty good intro, right Phil. Yeah, we're cruising. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you Phil. I have to stop every once a

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Speaker 2: while and get just like that pat on the.

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Speaker 1: Back, right right. Well, I mean, we don't really know

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Speaker 1: where we're going with this, so we need Phil's guidance.

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Speaker 2: We don't, but I there's a couple of things going

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Speaker 2: on right where folks want to know how to select

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Speaker 2: always what should happen when you're talking about these magnificent animals.

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Speaker 2: I just talked somebody out of purchasing a red lab

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Speaker 2: if this is your first dog ever, why get this

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Speaker 2: genetic offshoot. Stick with the meat and potatoes yellow or black?

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Speaker 1: Well, I prefer yellow. Do they counter with the fact

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Speaker 1: that red labs are actually just dark yellow labs.

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Speaker 2: No, they don't. They don't.

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Speaker 1: I know, I'm I say that kind of tongue and

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Speaker 2: of you know what I want the attributes I want

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Speaker 1: Right, man, So that situation just like choosing a lab

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Speaker 2: You're just training in socially unacceptable things.

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Speaker 1: You're reinforcing stuff that you don't want in that dog.

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Speaker 1: it is if you go to buy a new truck.

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Speaker 1: You're not like, hey, I want a red one and

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Speaker 2: But there's a duly five point fifty right on one

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Speaker 1: All read yep, Yeah, And you don't I mean to

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Speaker 2: But which, by the way, future dog owners, is what

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Speaker 1: Dude. I have a eleven year old lab right now

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Okay, So breed selection not necessarily, probably like

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean you know there's people are weird,

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Speaker 1: right like they the lab is the most popular dog

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Speaker 1: some extent because a lot of people would just be

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Speaker 1: something that that's different for the sake of being different. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna you're going to deal with some stuff

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a big difference between dogs chasing things for

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Speaker 2: It's satisfying something deep within them that says, I have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I mean, that's one of the biggest things.

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Speaker 2: Like, all it is is a nose and legs, like

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Speaker 1: Yep. Well that's you know. I just had this conversation

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Speaker 1: you've already signaled that you're not paying attention, so it's

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Speaker 1: going to see what it can get away with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there's a million little interactions like that we have

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Speaker 1: every day that reinforce like our relationship like how it's

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Speaker 1: going to go and our behaviors. And that's I mean,

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Speaker 1: I could go way deep on this, but this is

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Speaker 1: one of the one of the things that makes it

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Speaker 1: very hard if you have like a family like mine

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Speaker 1: where I have a wife and I have two daughters,

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Speaker 1: and I'm the primary dog trainer, but everybody else is

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Speaker 1: like a secondary dog trainer, and if they don't hold

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Speaker 1: that dog to the same standard that I do. We

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Speaker 1: know where that goes, absolutely right, yep.

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Speaker 2: And when you go hunting with that dog, it's a

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Speaker 2: reflection of you. Yeah, you can't be like, well, the

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Speaker 2: girls who are in school right now, they they're right,

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Speaker 2: they're screwing this up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not going to blame it on my twelve

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Speaker 1: year old daughters. But you can tell, Like with my dogs,

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Speaker 1: I can tell instantly if you know, say, I'm out

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Speaker 1: here in Montana right now, my kids and my wife

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Speaker 1: have my dogs up at the lake, and when I

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Speaker 1: go home, I'll be able to tell whether they use

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Speaker 1: like a chucket ball for my dogs or not, because

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Speaker 1: my dogs will want to spit out that ye bumper

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Speaker 1: when I work with them, and you can see that

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Speaker 1: backslide instantly, and so it's that's that's something I'll cover

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Speaker 1: in the podcast. Pretty heavy too, is you have to

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Speaker 1: also consider who else is responsible for this dog and

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Speaker 1: what level are they going to put in Yep, you know,

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Speaker 1: because it's not going to be the same if it's

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Speaker 1: your dog, it's probably like family members. Whoever is probably

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Speaker 1: not going to be the same level. So you want

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Speaker 1: to deal with that. There's going to be an attrition

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Speaker 1: rate there and just that's just how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's a gold standard, and then there's several

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Speaker 2: other standards underneath that, right that you may need to

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Speaker 2: figure out because of your your living scenario, right, not

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Speaker 2: in the cabin in the woods anymore.

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, and not only that, but when you're in

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Speaker 1: that situation, it changes, yeah, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like the the amount of time that dog spends with

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Speaker 1: you versus them, versus how much exercise it's getting versus

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Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. So you might think that

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Speaker 1: you have the whole thing licked and you're like, yep,

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Speaker 1: we're all on the same page. This is all going great,

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Speaker 1: and some kind of variable changes the environment they're in

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Speaker 1: with them something like that, and you're you have to

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Speaker 1: sort of refigure out how to keep going with this.

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Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's one of the things that's

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Speaker 1: really cool about dogs and dog training is you're not

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Speaker 1: going to be done, you know, like it's a work

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Speaker 1: in progress forever. It's I look at it kind of

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Speaker 1: like you can't master white tail hunting or you know,

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Speaker 1: elk hunting or whatever. Like you I don't care what

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Speaker 1: anybody says, Like if you're like, oh, I've got this

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Speaker 1: figured out. You're like, Okay, we'll go to this National

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Speaker 1: Forest or go out to the Eagle Cap or go

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Speaker 1: to like do something different, and you'll be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: what I thought when I was killing these bulls on

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Speaker 1: this pivot Alfalfa field, I thought I was pretty good,

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Speaker 1: and then I went into an over the counter unit somewhere,

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Speaker 1: and now it feels like I don't know elk hunting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, yeah, And it is. It's a there's

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Speaker 2: something here on Foundations that you're going to learn every

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Speaker 2: single week because you will never be as good as

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Speaker 2: you want to be and and the game's always changing too.

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Speaker 2: So I got a ten year old lab to blood

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Speaker 2: Trail and that added like two years of fun yep

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Speaker 2: for that dog because you finally got to do something

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Speaker 2: different yep, right, and all sorts of stuff we can

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Speaker 2: learn and across the breed. So looking forward to it, Tony,

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Speaker 2: And you don't have to you listeners, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to change, Just keep on doing your same thing here

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Speaker 2: on the feed every other week to start with, at

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Speaker 2: least you'll get Foundations, So listen through see what you

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Speaker 2: need to pick up for the next puppy in your

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Speaker 2: life or you know house, you can casually drop some

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Speaker 2: hints to improving for that girlfriend's new dog, or your

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Speaker 2: dad's new dog, or whoever decided to just buy that

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Speaker 2: dog at the Murdoch's parking lot. You know they can

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Speaker 2: hit you some help.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna need some help. Yeah, if you're buying a

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Speaker 1: dog impulsively in a parking lot, you'll probably need to

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Speaker 1: listen to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, all right man, Thank you so much, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Buddy,