1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: So scrolling Instagram today as one does, and I saw 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: this John Lennon quote and it was him talking about 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: Mick Jagger being old and being on stage, and the 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 1: quote was from like the nineteen seventies, and it was 5 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: John Lennon sticking up for Mick Jagger, basically defending Mick 6 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: Jagger for still making music and playing live music, however 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: old he was in the nineteen seventies, which is funny, 8 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,159 Speaker 1: of course, because Mick Jagger's now in his eighties and 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: he's still doing it. But it just it was one 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: of those things I saw and it just it just 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: reminded me of how much I love John Lennon, and 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: I really do, truly think that John Lennon was above 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: and apart from most of the artists of his generation. 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: And you know, I also knew I had to come 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: in and record this pre for the Rewind episodes today, 16 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: and I was thinking about my thoughts about John Lennon 17 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: back when I wrote these episodes, and how if you 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: listen to these you might think that I have a 19 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: lot of disdain for John Lennon. 20 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: I don't. 21 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: I love John Lennon, but he's a very complicated character 22 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of revelatory information in these episodes 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: about how John Lennon lived his life, about how John 24 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: Lennon was hypocritical, about how John Lennon was abusive, about 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: how John Lennon was a lot of things. But I 26 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 1: also think that at his core, John Lennon, when the 27 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: final assessment, the final ledger is laid bare, John Lennon 28 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: was a good person and he brought more good into 29 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: the world than he did bad. 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:34,279 Speaker 2: And you might not hear. 31 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: That from these episodes, but that's just that's how I feel. 32 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: These episodes are also very weird to write. I remember 33 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: writing them and being like, what did I just do? 34 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: It was very early in Disgraceland. It was the first 35 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: year of Disgraceland. These are the first This is the 36 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: first two part episode I ever did, and I did 37 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: it without trying to do it. I just wrote the 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: whole thing. I got to the end, I was like, wow, 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: this is really long, and it became a two parter. Anyways, 40 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: I hope you dig it. It's fun to go back 41 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: into the early years of Disgraceland and hear these episodes 42 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: compared to what we're doing these days. Get at Me six, one, seven, nine, 43 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: oh six sixty six three eight. 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 2: Let me know what you think. Here's John Lennon in Disgraceland. 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. 46 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 2: John Lennon. 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: His state of mind in the nineteen seventies and the 48 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding his death are so complex that two episodes 49 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: are needed to properly tell this story. If you're just 50 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: getting him to this now, I suggest you hit pause 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: and go back to Disgraceland episode thirteen or part one 52 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: of the John Lennon story, where we discussed the voices 53 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: in Mark David Chapman's head, his obsession with Lennon's rival, 54 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 1: the musician taught Rundgrid John, and Yoko's drug. 55 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: Bust in May Pang. 56 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: In this episode, we finally get around to some great 57 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: solo John Lennon music, unlike the music played at the 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: top of the show. That wasn't great music. That was 59 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: a preset loop for my melotron called Bolero Clarinet's Low 60 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: MK one. I played you that loop because I can't 61 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: afford the rights to Midnight Train to Georgia by Gladys 62 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: Knight and the Pips. And why would I play you 63 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: that specific slice of leaving trained Cheese. 64 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: Could I afford it? 65 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on 66 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: October thirty first, nineteen seventy three, and that was the 67 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,559 Speaker 1: day that John Lennon found himself hungover in Los Angeles, 68 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: estranged from his wife and subconsciously trying to drink himself 69 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: to death before an assassin would complete the job. Seven 70 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: years later, on this episode A Lost Weekend Leaving trains 71 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: a determined assassin and a dead beatle I'm Jake Brennan 72 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: and miss his disgraced land. In October nineteen seventy three, 73 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: John Lennon, in his rambling concubine May Pang landed in 74 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: Los Angeles and quickly took to the town. A squad 75 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: of hard partying rock and rollers was pulled together for 76 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: John to pal around with, among them the notorious Keith 77 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: Moon of the Who, Rolling Stones, sax player Bobby Keys 78 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: aka the only man alive who could keep up with 79 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: Keith Richards, songwriter Harry Nilson, who at the moment looked 80 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: as if he'd spent more time swimming laps in a 81 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: pool of Brandy Alexander's than he did writing in a 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: recording studio, and of course, the notorious record producer Phil Spector, 83 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: who was lording over the scene in his capacity as 84 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: producer of Lenin's newest project, an album of early fifties 85 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: standards that had influenced John in his teddyboy days called 86 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: rock and Roll. The recording sessions were a violent, drug 87 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: and alcohol fueled mess that eventually ended with a gun 88 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 1: wielding Phil Specter and his goons literally taking John Lennon hostage, 89 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: blindfolding him and tying him up in one of Spector's 90 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: bedrooms to allow Phil the time necessary to steal away 91 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: the session's master recordings, which would then not surface for 92 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: years to come. And when not recording, things weren't much different. 93 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Lennon drank himself into a stupor. Daily nights were spent 94 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: either trashing the homes of celebrity friends who had generously 95 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: allowed John in May to crash, or out on the 96 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: town looking for trouble, orgies with strangers, fights with loud 97 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: mouthed fans, and drugged out late night jams with any 98 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: number of the top tier pop stars in town, most 99 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: notably an impromptu cocaine field session with Stevie Wonder, Paul McCartney, 100 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: and Ringo Starr. Accounts of the session have Paul playing 101 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: drums and Ringo the Drummer playing the cookespoon. The party 102 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles for John Lennon never stopped, but he 103 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: longed for Yoko. When he wasn't busy drinking himself to death, 104 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: he was on the phone begging Yoko to take him back, 105 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: but she wasn't having it. New York City without John 106 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: was just too much fun. She was putting together new 107 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: music and was eager to let John know that her 108 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: new guitar player, David Spinoza, was an ace in the 109 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: studio and in the sack, and that she'd been properly 110 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: shagged by the axe Man in a way that John 111 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: hadn't been able to manage in years. John couldn't take it. 112 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: He dove into the deep end of the Brandy Alexander 113 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: pool with Harry Nilsson, and the two took to the 114 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: town with Maine in tone. The destination was Doug Weston's 115 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: famous Troubadour nightclub Or On this evening, a celeb filled 116 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: crowd was taking in the Smothers brother's triumphant return to 117 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the stage, so naturally, John entered the crowd with a 118 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: co tex sanitary napkin stuck to his forehead and made 119 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: a spectacle of himself. Someone in the crowd yelled out 120 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: where's Yoko, and John replied sucking Ringo's cock. The three 121 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: were quickly ushered into the VIP section, where a group 122 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: of annoyed celebrities, including Pam Greer and Peter Lawford, did 123 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: their best to ignore them. Orders were placed for triple 124 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: milkshakes aka Brandy Alexander's with three times the Cognac, and 125 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: when they arrived, John shot his down in one gulp, 126 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: looked up at Peter Lawford, who was glancing down at 127 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: him with that uppity full Kennedy's stare, and John grabbed 128 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: Lawford's drink out of his hand and down that in 129 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: a single gulp. 130 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 2: And then he ordered another round. 131 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: And when the Smothers brothers began their act, John and 132 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: Harry started singing their own competing tune from the VIP section, 133 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: Love like Drunken Sailors from the Liverpool Docs, and Laffer 134 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: told John to cool it. John's response, fuck you, I'm 135 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: John Lennon, he screamed out to no one and everyone. 136 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: At the same time the crowd started booing Lennon. The 137 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: Smothers Brothers soldiered on Lennon, a natural heckler, yelled to 138 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: the stage, Hey, Smothers brothers, fuck a cow. A waitress 139 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: was dispatched to try and get hold of the situation, 140 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: and when she did, Lennon asked her do you know 141 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 1: who I am? And she replied, some asshole with a 142 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: cotex on his head. 143 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: That sealed it. Lennon and Nilsen erupted and song again. 144 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: More booze from the crowd, more profanity from Lenin. Club 145 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: security descended and grabbed hold of John to escort him out, 146 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 1: and he resisted and started swinging his fists blindly. One 147 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: of them caught Smothers brother's manager Ken Fitz in the chin, 148 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: and Peter Laufer, who having made his bones and drunken 149 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: celebrity melees like this with his BFF Frank Sinatra and 150 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: brother in law Teddy Kennedy, knew exactly what to do. 151 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Grabbed the little bastard by the neck and get him 152 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: the hell out of there fast. 153 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 2: So that's what happened. 154 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: Lawford in a group of club security and wait staff 155 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: grabbed Lenin and pulled him kicking and screaming through the 156 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: pissed off crowd, who rained punches down on the ex 157 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: Beetle as he was dragged past them and eventually thrown 158 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: out onto Santa Monica Boulevard, where he continued to blindly 159 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: and violently lash out at anyone who came near him. Eventually, 160 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: John Harry and May found their way into the back 161 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: of their limousine and took off for the Rainbow Bar 162 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,239 Speaker 1: and Grow, where upon entering the now iconic LA hotspot, 163 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: John Lennon, the ex Beadle, Mister gooka chew, the counterculture 164 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: voice of a generation, Mister give piece a Chance, drunkenly 165 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: and violently stumbled into none other than Todd Rungren, and 166 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: run Gren was eager to connect with this hero, but 167 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: lenin true to form, that night, rudely blew off Todd. 168 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: Rudgren dismayed, watched John Lennon harass the weight staff in 169 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: between SIPs of his brandy Alexander's, until he eventually slouched 170 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: into his booth and passed out. Rungren couldn't believe his 171 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: eyes that John Lennon he was watching was no rock 172 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: and roll deity. He wasn't even a working class hero. 173 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: He was thick and ordinary, What a fraud? The sun 174 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: broke above Central Park West and shone brightly into the 175 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: kitchen window of the Ono Lennon home in Manhattan's Dakota Apartments. 176 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: John was up early, making breakfast for his five year 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: old son, Sean. Mornings with Sean were sacred. Afternoons were 178 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: a different story. While Sewn was being tended to by 179 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: his governess and the Ono Lennon fortune was being tended 180 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: to by Yoko and her office downstairs, John locked himself 181 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: in his bedroom with his cats, and he watched television, 182 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: smoked tystick, tried not to snort heroine chain smoked cigarettes. 183 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 2: He binged on sweets, and obsessed over his weight. He 184 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: read his. 185 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: Horoscope, ignored Paul McCartney's calls, and masturbated out of boredom, 186 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: usually to the thought of journalist Barbara Walters. Or if 187 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: he was feeling nostalgic to his old flame, the young 188 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: May Pang, or if it was a Wednesday, his masseuse 189 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: Kimmy would come by and lay one of her patented 190 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,679 Speaker 1: two minute house call hand jobs on him. But today 191 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: wasn't a Wednesday, and it wasn't yet afternoon either. John 192 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: and Jean sat at their kitchen counter, eating, goofing off, 193 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: and listening to the radio, which almost always played music 194 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: or classical, never pop. But this morning was different. One 195 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: of the servants had left the dial tuned to w 196 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: l i R the night before, so when John flipped 197 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: on the radio in the morning, what he heard had 198 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:08,320 Speaker 1: him shook, rattled, and rolling inside with jealousy. The hell 199 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: is this fucking Springsteen? This little bridge and tunnel rat 200 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: was beating Lenin at his own game, heavy hearted romantic 201 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: cynicism dressed up as pop. Lenin's Double Fantasy, his first 202 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: record of real creative consequence since the Beatles, was an 203 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: earnest hard on his sleeve, owed to family and wholesomeness. 204 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: Initial reviews were mixed, and its first single, just Like 205 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: Starting Over, was stalled on the charts at number eight. 206 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: And here comes Jersey's own wannabe Zimmermann, barreling up the 207 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 1: charts with his excellent single Hungry Heart from the deeply 208 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: rooted double album The River. John was second guessing himself. 209 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: He thought that maybe he shouldn't have made Double Fantasy 210 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: the sugary concept album that it was, or shit, maybe 211 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: he shouldn't even have included the Yoko songs. It was 212 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: like pulling teeth from a pipole trying to get her 213 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: to singing key anyway, He left Sean to his cereal, 214 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: picked up the phone and dialed up his producer, Jack Douglas. 215 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 2: Have you heard this? He held the phone to the 216 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: kitchen radio speaker. 217 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 1: It's incredible, Jack, What am I doing dicking around with 218 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: songs about milk and honey? It's nineteen eighty Jack, and 219 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: we're going to La book a studio. We're gonna make 220 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: a real record, a real John London record. Call the 221 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: guys in cheap trick. I'll call Ringo. I get a 222 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: great song for him. Nobody told me that he dazed 223 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: like these. And Jack, we're gonna re record Strawberry Fields. 224 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: You hear me. 225 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna re record Strawberry Fields the way that it 226 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: was meant to be recorded. John slammed the phone down, 227 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: looked at Sean, took his piece fingers to the insides 228 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: of his outer lips, and pulled his mouth apart wide 229 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: like a big fish, while crossing his eyes. And Sean 230 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: laughed so hard milk spurted out of his nose. 231 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this war. Word were. 232 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: John Lennon, and I had the stack of morning papers 233 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 2: and magazines on the chair in the corner of his kitchen. Ah, 234 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: it's here, he thought to himself. 235 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: He pushed aside the New York Times and the National 236 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: Inquirer and pulled up the latest edition of Esquire magazine. 237 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: In it a hit job that he knew was coming, 238 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: an article entitled John Lennon, Where are You? In which 239 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: the frustrated writer, unable to corner John for an interview 240 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: during his recent house dad years, used public record information 241 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: to piece together a picture of John's life in the 242 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: latter half of the seventies, and the result was a 243 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: scorching article detailing the Ono Lennon one hundred and fifty 244 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: million dollars largesse and an unfair depiction of John as 245 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: a middle aged businessman more concerned with tax loopholes for 246 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: his real estate holdings than he was with peace and 247 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: love or making music. And John really didn't care, after all, 248 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: it was Yoko who took care of the business. The 249 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: article at least made it se Mike, he wore the 250 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: pants in the family, but someone else did care. Five 251 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: thousand miles away, Mark David Chapman read the same article 252 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: and burned with rage. The article confirmed everything he already 253 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 1: suspected of his former hero John Lennon, that he was 254 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: a fraud, a phony. 255 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: It's easy to imagine. No possessions. Yeah, no shit, jocko onon. 256 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: Oh, it's easy for you. You have everything. I have nothing. 257 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm a nobody. I mean nothing. Yet I'm the one 258 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: who really cares, giving all my clothes to charity. I'm 259 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: the one who's living an authentic life, not like the phonies. 260 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: I'm not the fucking hypocrite here man. The voices in 261 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: Mark's head started to gather. The phony must die, said 262 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: the Catcher in the Rye. Mark felt himself moving finally 263 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: with a purpose. 264 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: It was time. 265 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: He bought a one way plane ticket to New York 266 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: City and packed life. Last night, the wife said, poor boy, 267 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: when you're dead, you don't take nothing with you but 268 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: your soul. Think where did you put those hollow points? 269 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: The phony must die, said the Catcher in the Rye. 270 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: And on the plane, Chapman read and re read The 271 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: Catcher in the Rye. J. D. Salinger's classic tale of 272 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: teenage angst and alienation. It was the only thing that 273 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: comfort had marked these days in his mind the book 274 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: was hardwired to the idea of murdering John Lennon, and 275 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: just like the book's author JD. Salinger, Mark David Chapman 276 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: would call out the phonies of the world, but he'd 277 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: do it with a bullet. And in his mind, he 278 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: thought he'd bring attention to the book that spoke so 279 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: deeply to him, and thus make the world a little 280 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 1: better of a place, a little less phony, a little 281 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: easier to take. It was one of the rare thoughts 282 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: that calmed him and quieted his internal strife, the gnawing 283 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: notion that he was a loser of nobody and killing 284 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: the world's biggest phony would make him a hero. It 285 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: would make him as somebody, and it would provide an 286 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: escape from this hellish world. Once Lennon was dead, Chapman 287 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: would be a hero. And because of this, he would 288 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 1: literally be sucked into the pages of The Catcher in 289 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: the Rye and a new chapter would be written about him, 290 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: Chapter twenty seven. His problems would be over. He would 291 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: no longer be Mark David Chapman, the loser, the overweight nerd, 292 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: who couldn't get a real job, who couldn't get laid 293 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: even by his own wife, who couldn't even properly kill himself. 294 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: Killing Lenin meant killing Chapman. Mark David Chapman would cease 295 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: to exist. He would finally become holding Cawfield, Or so 296 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: went the voices in his head. The phony must die, 297 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: said the Catcher in the Rye. After arriving in New 298 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: York City, Mark David Chapman eventually took his place outside 299 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: the Dakota Apartments at West seven to Second Street in 300 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Central Park West, alongside the regular rabble of Lenin autograph seekers, 301 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: clad in a black trench coat and a red scarf, 302 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: clinging to a sealed copy of Double Fantasy under his 303 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: arm and a dog eared copy of The Catcher in 304 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: the Rye in his one hand. Happiness warmed his other 305 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: hand from the touch of his gun, a stub nosed 306 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: thirty eight in his pocket. 307 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 2: Bang Bang, Shoot Shoot. 308 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: At five PM, John and Yoko exited the Dakota for 309 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: their waiting limo. The sidewalk lit up with excitement. The 310 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: voices in Mark's head exploded. He was paralyzed. Here was 311 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: his moment. He prayed to Satan to give him the 312 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: strength to go through with what he came there for. 313 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: But the sight of the John Lennon approaching diminished for 314 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: a moment in anyway to a teenage Beetlemania fanboy. Chapman 315 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: silently held the copy of Double Fantasy out in front 316 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: of John, and John grabbed it without making eye contact, 317 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: and signed John Lennon nineteen eighty on its cover. 318 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: He then looked up at the fat faced man and 319 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 2: with a smile, handed him the album and said, here, 320 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: is this what you want? 321 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: Chapman had no words, so Lenin bounded away into the 322 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: limo and took off for a recording session with Yoko. 323 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: Mark was beside himself with excitement. For a moment, the 324 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: thought of killing Lenin was completely gone. John Lennon had 325 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: spoken to him. John Lennon had asked him Mark David 326 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: Chapman a question, and he felt, for a second anyway 327 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: that he was somebody. But the feeling quickly evaporated. The 328 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: voices in his head were too strong, and the phony 329 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: must die, said the catcher in the rye, and Mark 330 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: prayed to God to give him the strength to not 331 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: do what he had come to New York to do. 332 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: And then again he prayed to Satan to give him 333 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: the strength to do what he had come to New 334 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: York to do, and the voices grew louder, and Mark 335 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: settled in outside the Dakota and. 336 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 2: Played the waiting game. 337 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 1: He knew John will be back sooner or later, and 338 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: this time that's when holden they'd make his mark. At 339 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: ten fifty pm on December eighth, nineteen eighty, John Lennon's 340 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: limo pulled up outside the Dakota. Yoko hopped out first. 341 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: As she passed Mark David Chapman. He gave her an 342 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: innocent hello, and Lenin gave him a suspect look, one 343 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: that said, who are you, you, big fat, greasy meat ball? 344 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: Why are you still hanging around outside of my house? 345 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 2: Don't you have a life, fucking loser? 346 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: And the voices came to life, big old loud inside 347 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: Mark's head. The phony must die, said the catcher in 348 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: the rye. The phony must die, said the catcher in 349 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: the rye. The phony must die, said the catcher in 350 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: the rye. The phony must die, said. 351 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: The catcher in the Rye. 352 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: And as John Lennon passed by and headed under the 353 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: Dakota's archway, the coward marked David Chapman in a fury 354 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: clumsily crouched into a combat stance and whipped the stumb 355 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: nose thirty eight out of his pocket. He took aim 356 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: with two hands at John's back and squeezed off five 357 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:48,479 Speaker 1: shots in rapid succession, and when the first two bullets 358 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: hit John's back, the force of them swung him around 359 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: toward his assassin, and the next two pierced his shoulder 360 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: and flung him backward into the door of the Dakota's 361 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: outdoor security station, where he turned around again and stepp 362 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: Iaggert helplessly toward a shocked security guard, collapsed and began 363 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: to bleed out. Police arrived quickly, and it was immediately 364 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: clear how grave the wounds were, so the two uniforms 365 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: hoisted Lenin onto their shoulders, carried him out onto the sidewalk, 366 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: then to the curb, and crammed him into a squad 367 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: car taking off from nearby Roosevelt Hospital. Once in the car, 368 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: they realized he was dying in their back seat, and 369 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: one uniform asked, as soon to be martyr, do you 370 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: know who you are. By the time they arrived at 371 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: the hospital, he'd lost eighty percent of his blood. John 372 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: Lennon died just before midnight. He didn't put up much 373 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: of a fight. After shooting John Lennon in the back, 374 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: the coward marked David Chapman simply sat on the sidewalk 375 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: and took in the devil. 376 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: And chaos around him. 377 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: He fingered his copy of The Catcher in the Rye 378 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: and waited to be transported into the pages of the book. 379 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: And when that, of course didn't happen, he simply sat 380 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: calmly waiting for the police to take him away. The 381 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: voices were all gone now, or at least quieted for 382 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: the moment. When the police brought him in and started 383 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: to process him, the heat of the pac twentieth Precinct 384 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: station house on Manhattan's Upper West Side began to get 385 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: to Mark. He was allowed to take off his jacket 386 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 1: and sweater, and so he did, and he sat awaiting 387 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 1: his uncertain future, handcuffed to a desk, sweating in his 388 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 1: greasy dungarees and two tight, food stained Todd Runggren, Hermit 389 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: of Mink Hollow promo T shirt, still very much the fat, 390 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: pathetic loser that he was before he senselessly shot and 391 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: killed John Lennon. But by murdering John Lennon Chapman had 392 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: accomplished one of his objectives. He'd managed to claim an 393 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: identity for himself. I have still been a fat and 394 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: pathetic loser, but he was forever the fat, pathetic loser 395 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: who killed John Lennon. The irony, of course, is that 396 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: he killed John Lennon at the exact point in time 397 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 1: when Lenin himself was starting to finally reclaim his own 398 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 1: identity and settle into his forties. He'd become less reclusive, 399 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: less dependent on Yoko, and after a decade of bad 400 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: behavior missed creative opportunities, excess and paranoia, John Lennon was 401 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: quite literally starting over and downright buoyant. 402 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 2: With the thought of what the eighties might bring. 403 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: By nineteen eighty, John Lennon had locked into a creative 404 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: voice that suited his authentic self. He'd managed to find 405 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: some balance between being a family man and an international 406 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: pop star who knew what the future held for him 407 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: in Yoko. All he knew was that his love for 408 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: his son Sean was deep, true, inspiring, and helped him focus. 409 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: It put everything in perspective who he was as a 410 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: man an artist. It even helped him refocus the love 411 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: he had for his oldest and sometimes the strange son 412 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Julian from his previous marriage to Cynthia, and so there 413 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: were more records to make double fantasy proved to him 414 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: that he still had it. He was inspired, confident. Running 415 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: and hiding was no longer an option. No more running 416 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 1: off for lost weekends in Hollywood, no more lost years 417 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: running away to hide out in the Dakota. Running, hiding 418 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 1: and getting lost were no longer tenable lines of defense 419 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: for John. Because the pressure of constantly running away from 420 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: himself had taken its toll. John ran from the game 421 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: because he knew he wasn't good at playing it, the 422 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: game where celebrities let the public's perception of them define 423 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: them and win the day no matter what. No, John 424 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: Lennon couldn't truck with that. He needed to tell people 425 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: exactly what he was feeling at that moment, no matter 426 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: how much it may have contradicted his prior actions or statements. 427 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: Hypocrisy be damned authenticity. 428 00:24:57,640 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 2: Truth. 429 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: In the moment, it was everything, and too many before 430 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,239 Speaker 1: he was murdered. Anyway, this was confusing. It certainly was 431 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: to Mark David Chapman, who interpreted all of John's conflicting 432 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 1: behavior as being disingenuous or fake. It's a simple interpretation. 433 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: It's an interpretation of an adolescent, an interpretation that an 434 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: angsty teenager might have, an angsty teenager like Holden Caffield. 435 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: From the Catcher in the Rye. The phony must die, 436 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: so the Catcher in the Rye. 437 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: But when John Lennon and Mark David Chapman finally ran 438 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: into each other, for John, there was no need to 439 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 1: run anymore, no need to run from the press, no 440 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: need to run from his own celebrity. 441 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 2: He'd found himself. 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