WEBVTT - Hangin' with the Boys: Make or Break Player? 0:00:06.800 --> 0:00:09.320 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:21.440 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club, Blowing out of the backfield, 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:27.200 exploding down the sidelines. He's hanging with the Boys, presented 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.200 by Windstuff where flavor gets its wings. Now, your hosts, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:42.920 Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, Jesse Holly, and Shannon Gross, Welcome 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:48.520 to the show. Here we go another week of football 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.760 practice and we let's go are bringing it to you live. 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.360 I am here at the Star and the s WBC 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.840 mortgage office of Derek Eagleton, once again, joined by my 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:07.280 co host Kurt Daniels, Nate Newton, Jesse. How are you 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:12.160 fellas doing? I'm doing great, man, I'm excited. But you 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:15.199 say taking the color? You got color? You got me, Jesse, 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:22.560 Kurt and checking the color baby, I'm geep me. And 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.119 they got original color. You got that spray tan color. Though, 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.479 I tell you what. We we got these sweet set 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.679 up for our podcast, for our show, since it looks 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.240 like we might be doing them from home for a 0:01:34.280 --> 0:01:37.920 little bit. We got these nice fancy microphones. Chris, you 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.200 know Chris Beam dropped him off to us. Beam st 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:44.120 We got h We got these nice little lights and 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.200 I turned my light on right before we came on 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.120 the air, and I looked straight into it and I 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.880 still cannot see, Like that thing is bright and it's small. 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.160 It's only like that bigger round. I am struggling right now. 0:01:55.320 --> 0:01:58.880 So so much to talk about. First off, did y'all 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.320 have a good weekend? How was yalls weekends? My week 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:07.280 you was good? Can I turn on my light? Good? Thing? 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:15.760 You got that Nate's broadcasting closet? Yes, sir, you better 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.640 know it. How about you, Jess? How Derek let you 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:20.959 back in there? Well, he doesn't know I'm in here, 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.680 so and he doesn't know what's missing. He didn't take 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.399 a good inventory. So if y'all, if y'all see something 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.320 behind me that you like, Um, if you see something 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:30.959 over there that you won't let me know, and I'll 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.160 i'll might be able to borrow it permanently. Take all 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:37.480 If he got into que doll paraphrom there, you take 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:42.519 that out of you. Oh no, you do not mess 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:44.800 with that stuff. You do not mess with that, Jess. 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:47.600 How you do it? Brother? I'm good man, had a 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.080 great weekend. I'm happy it's Monday. I got a little 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.520 joy inside of me. Read a good word this morning. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:54.480 But when I got up and I'm ready, I'm ready 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.760 to talk some football. Man. I'm happy. I'm always happy 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:59.760 to see you guys. Well, I'm wonderful to see you too, 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.640 jes Let's let's just get into it, man, let's go. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.440 I'm gonna throw it out there. I know everybody wants 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:09.280 to talk about. Are we getting this man or not 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.160 good idea or a bad idea? What are we doing? 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:17.120 The fans are going crazy. Cuss us out, come, cuss 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:26.080 us out. We need you well, you know stands. What 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.880 do you guys think signed him? Don't sign him? What 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.680 are you thinking? I'm letting Jesse go curse on that one? Well, 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:39.800 I'm letting Kurt go first. You guys have seen practice, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.560 may know better. But the report you're sounding like Clinton 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.800 Dix isn't playing very well and Darian Thompson could be 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.560 your second starting safety. I don't know, are you feeling 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:52.520 good about that one? Um? You know, Thomas sounds like 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.080 he's got a lot of baggage with him, so I 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:56.200 don't know. It better be a sweet, sweet deal for 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.200 the Cowboys, you know, uh, you know, I've got to 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.760 see a few practices thanks to Nick eating and the guys, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.960 you know, and and Derek though and uh, Shannon, you 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.360 didn't have anything to do with it. But anyway, Uh, 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:14.000 you know, I think these coaches are liking Darien too. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:17.920 He ran a lot Sunday with with with the first team. Uh. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:20.800 But I heard him. I heard coach Nolan Holland some 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.479 positives at how Clinton Dick. So we'll see, man, the 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:27.839 competition is thick at a few positions and a few 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.320 positions I found out the competition ain't even what we 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.360 thought it would be, you know. So because they get 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.160 they feel good about certain guys due to this pandemic 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.640 and uh speth on the young guys. Uh, you know, 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:43.600 they got thirty one in there, Treyvon Diggs, he's working. Uh. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.920 But other than that, the other rookies, man, they just 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:50.440 getting in where they fit in at. But for me, 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.520 it's it's a it's a complicated thing for me because 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.960 you think we always remember what Earl Thomas was when 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.560 he was with the Legion of Boom and Seattle, just 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:01.760 how good of a player he was. I'm not saying 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:04.120 that he's fallen off a lot, but he's fallen off 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:07.320 something that just happens with age and time that you 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:09.680 lose some of that productivity, some of that ability to 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:13.120 go out there and be just a supernatural athlete. And 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:15.960 my biggest thing is when you're trying to create a 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:19.840 new culture. When you brought in Freaky Mike and the crew, 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:24.800 you're you're trying to create this entirely new culture with 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.800 guys who the coaching staff is kind of still unfamiliar with. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.920 They met him, you know, via online, but this is 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:33.600 the first chance they got a chance to be with 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.880 them hands on. And so when you're trying to create 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:40.920 that culture and you're trying to have those personalities come 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.080 to the forefront. And we've seen this team in the 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:49.880 past before that when it comes to leadership, they don't 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:55.000 have the alpha dogs that Nate you had in the nineties, 0:05:55.080 --> 0:05:58.080 right because we saw guys come in who's been here 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.559 for five or six days and all of a sudden 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:01.960 they lead the team. And we know the guys that 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.760 you played with Nate and other teams with a come 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:05.560 in and said, hold on, young fellow. You know, hold on, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.919 my guy. We appreciate you being here. But I do 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.719 the hooting hollerand around here, I tell folks who are 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.920 to go So now what you have to always have 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:16.800 in the back of your mind is if you let 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:19.799 a guy like Earl Thomas come into this fold, who 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:21.880 seems to be one of those guys who is a 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:27.719 dominant alpha male, what message is he's sending you got guys, 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.159 you're trying to get acclimated, guys, you're trying to bring 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.960 a long system, you're trying to input things that you're 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:35.840 trying to get figured out. And when you add an 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:38.120 Earl Thomas to that mix, and from what the reports 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.800 have been saying, from what he was and Baltimore was, 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.000 he just beginning to do his own thing. He kind 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:45.720 of almost went rogue, showing up late for meetings, being 0:06:45.760 --> 0:06:49.520 contentious with his teammates, doing his own thing. If that's 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:53.599 the kind of culture that you want to input into 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:55.560 your you know, that kind of adds to you want 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.159 to input into your culture, then you could be setting 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.360 yourself up for disaster. So it kind of comes to 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.919 that point where does his talent outweigh all of the 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:08.120 other things that comes, all the other baggage. And if 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:11.400 the answer is closer to know than a resounding guest, 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:13.640 then I stay away from a guy like that, and 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:15.240 I just go forward with the guys that I have, 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.280 because it's much easier to get those guys to kind 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:22.280 of do what we need to get done. Maybe not 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.120 as a maybe maybe not be more as athletic as 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.280 Earl Thomas, but they're gonna be where up they're supposed 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.880 to be, be there own time, have the right attitude, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.480 have the right culture viewpoint, and and and and you know, 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.800 be assigned aligned, and just do their job and not 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.000 try to go off script like we've seen and heard 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.760 Earl Thomas was doing in Baltimore. Uh. And so that's 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:45.400 where I'm at with that. I'm not I'm not a 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:47.400 I wasn't a huge fan of signing him when he 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.880 left Seattle. I'm not a huge fan of signing him now. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:56.000 The thing with him is just as he's not. I 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.000 watched him play a little bit last year because I 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.400 like to follow guys who i've fans seem to go 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.320 overboard with, and I follow him. He's not that guy anymore. 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.920 And when you start showing up late and not being 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:12.840 the guy you was in Seattle, everybody, everybody knows that 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.000 you've fallen off a liit physically, but they wanted that 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:22.320 leadership that you brought in Seattle, that promptness, stood attention 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.080 to detail. You went off on this guy about him 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.400 probably blowing us sigmon or vice versus. We don't know 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.200 the inside stir on that, but you took it too far. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.719 So what you're telling the Ravens is your services are 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:37.880 no longer needed because they have a culture of toughness, 0:08:37.920 --> 0:08:41.000 of doing the right thing, of playing great defense. Here 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.640 with the Dallas Cowboys. What I felt we lost over time, Jesse, 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.360 you may you can bite into this is we lost 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.079 the voice in the room with the coaches. The coaches 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:56.040 here are trying to establish themselves and who they are. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.200 They are the alpha males right now, and they will 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:03.160 let as this team go, they will find their own 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.199 alt for males, guys that they can trust to step 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:08.959 up and say and do the right thing, much like 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.559 Jimmy did. We when Jimmy got here, nobody was alt 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:16.880 for mail. But as time went on, the Emmett Smells, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:21.400 the Charles Hayles, the Tony's Holbers, Troy Agmans, they stepped 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.240 up and went into the leadership roles. And I think 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:27.240 that's what they want. They When you have a bad 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:30.520 report as a veteran player, especially one that's making a 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.720 lot of money and not living up to that production 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.800 of that money. No, you don't bring him here. And 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.920 I'm always be excited about a player. But does he 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:43.160 fit I don't think not right now. Maybe maybe coach 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.560 can talk to him. Freaky Mike has a way of 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.240 talking to guys and getting them settle down. But to 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:53.240 know what, I couldn't trust Thomas at this time. Who 0:09:53.240 --> 0:10:00.199 do y'all think? Go ahead, shall Well, you're gonna to 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.880 expound on that, curt Are You're just gonna say, hey, 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:07.040 I think you'll bring up a great point. I don't 0:10:07.080 --> 0:10:09.520 want to cut off our favor. I think y'all, Hey, 0:10:09.760 --> 0:10:17.880 I think y'all brought up some great points. Stop go ahead, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:22.760 and my point, I mean, my point is exactly your point. 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:24.640 I guess I hadn't thought about it in terms of 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:27.240 the leadership aspect. But I mean they have some young 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.959 guys who are trying to develop now as leaders of 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.280 Jalen Smith. I mean, does he get affected by that, 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.280 DeMarcus Lawrence? Does he get affected by that? I just 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.240 I'm agreeing with you guys, is that I don't know 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:41.360 if the talent there is worth it anymore. To potentially 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.360 disrupt what McCarthy's trying to build, what this defense is 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:46.920 trying to build. I mean, Jaylen had some quotes yesterday 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.079 or over the weekend about, you know, the defense has 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:52.560 something to prove and he wants to be a leader 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:56.680 in that, and according to reports, in practice, he's doing 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.080 exactly that. He's playing ball. So I would hate to 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.320 disrupt any of where this team has headed, what this 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.960 team is building by bringing in the guy that you know, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:07.680 he left seat under bad terms and you know, apparently 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.800 got in a fight with a teammate in Baltimore and 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:11.960 like they said, you know, in late to practice and 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:16.840 all that, I mean not apparent, not apparently not yea, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.480 not apparently. Yeah, but you don't. You just can't bring 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:25.160 that into this this situation where got a you know, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:29.760 Harbo and that that already established regime there can't control 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.439 or keep you know, they're him from affecting their locker room. 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.880 I'm not sure how a new one can either, you know, Yeah, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.079 I think Yeah. To expand on that, I think one 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.800 of the weirdest feeling things on game day last year 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:49.040 was when they brought in Michael Bennett and and he 0:11:49.200 --> 0:11:52.160 stepped up towards the end of the year and became 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.679 a vocal leader on the team when you kind of thought, okay, 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:59.400 the vocal leaders are these guys, and he kind of 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.160 stepped in and you know, would would break down the huddle, 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.640 and he was very vocal in the locker room and like, 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.160 like really vocal, like you could hear him yelling outside 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:10.520 of the locker room sometimes. And to me, that was 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.160 a really weird vibe because you had built this team 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:15.920 and you had kind of got your guys in there, 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:18.839 and then another guy comes in that that was new 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.200 to the team and was very you know, outspoken and 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.160 a very alpha, alpha male type guy, and to me, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.800 it just you know, I'm obviously not in the locker room, 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:30.240 but just being around the team, it was just a 0:12:30.320 --> 0:12:33.080 strange vibe, and I wonder, you know, obviously this would 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:34.880 be a little different because it's at the beginning of 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:36.560 the season and not in the middle of the season, 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.679 but it's kind of the same premise. You bring a 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.760 very outspoken, you know, dominant guy in a locker room 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:45.760 and it changes the whole dynamic when you've you've built 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.360 it with the guys that you want here. So I'm 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:50.840 from that standpoint, I'm kind of like, hey, let's just 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.599 let's see what you got. You got this team, you 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.320 you built it in the offseason. You got your guys 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.640 in here. Now, if the guy can play and play 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.360 his lights out, obviously that changes a lot. If a 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.920 guy can, you know, come in and he's the best 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.280 of his position. Um, but I just I'm kind of like, you, guys, 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.840 why why mess with it? Why messed with the chemistry 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.680 when you have your established leaders in the locker room. 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:18.360 If you're not bringing in Lebron yeah, I mean honest, 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.880 I mean, because you just don't need him, you know it. 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.920 And it probably it probably wasn't a long discussion. You know, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:29.280 it probably wasn't a long discussion. We probably gave it 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.840 more conversations than they did, you know, because coach McCarthy 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.080 made a statement, we're confident in our eighty guys. Is 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.880 that not what he says? I mean, y'all've read something, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.520 you know, some statements. Well, he said he's contact with 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:46.120 his eighty guys. With that said, though, not to say 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.360 that behind work closed not to say behind closed doors, 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.200 y'all know, Like, oh, Nate, you gotta eat your words. Uh, 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:58.840 we got we got talking, but still said, are you guys, 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:02.600 how was it with Clinton when you guys were worried 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:06.920 about the position that you knew was a a vocal 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:10.400 guy and he was gonna change the dynamic of the 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.400 locker room. What were the conversations among players? Did you 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:17.480 guys even care? Were you just like whatever? Or were 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.080 there conversations of like, hey, you know this is gonna change, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.360 or hey, you know this guy's gonna challenge this guy 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:25.760 or things like that. How is it as players when 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.280 you know that a new guy might be coming in? 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.560 This is how it was for me because we I 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:38.040 experienced that with Charles Haley. When you see Jimmy with 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:41.040 bring guys in. Jimmy liked to bring guys in the 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.560 just let him hang out. He will say, hey, Mike, 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.480 come get this guy. Got him over here, He'll let 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.720 it if he's serious about he would let him hang 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:50.240 out with us and watch how we worked and how 0:14:50.320 --> 0:14:53.880 we do things. How this guy mashed with other guys, 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.320 but Charles Haley he was getting regardless of what we thought. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.280 Because all Jimmy wanted to know was did he love football? 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:04.560 And was he went in to work and rushed the 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:09.360 passer and all those criterias was met. He brought Charles 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.280 in and the first time we got in a team setting, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:16.840 Charles just started giving out advice, whether it was wanted 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.560 or wounded. He started scouting everybody. I mean, he broke 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.880 down the whole locker room, every player that he thought 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:27.000 was an intricate part of his team. He broke it down. 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.520 He broke them down, he scouted them and cussed us 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.280 all out as he did it. Now, the day's locker 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:36.840 rooms can't handle that, and I promise you ain't. But 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.000 a few locker rooms can handle that type of guy. 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.600 But we can handle that guy because we know who 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.080 we were and we know what we were about, and 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:47.280 that's winning games. So that was a difference, Jesse. And 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:49.680 maybe you have a different experience than me. No, I 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.640 think the same thing that you said, Nate, which I 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.680 think rings true through a lot of locker rooms. In 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.080 the locker room that I was in, several locker room 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:00.520 that I was in, the biggest thing is the biggest 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.960 thing is it's can you help us? Like, can you 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.400 help us and win football games? If that's that's a yes, right, 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:13.440 then everything else we can adjust with. But if you're 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.080 if if that's the first thing that you want to 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.800 see when a new guy comes there and you go, Okay, 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.640 I've seen all this, guys, and then you start looking 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.160 at his work ethic, what is he doing in practice 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:25.480 and meetings? And can he help us win? Because what 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.680 you don't want, you don't want the distractions to come 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.680 in because you're already saying it's hard enough to do 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:31.800 what we do and to get wins. And when we 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:33.880 bring somebody else in who ain't really with us, who 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.920 ain't been with us for instead of big amount of time, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.440 and you're a distraction. But then that's when you come 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.760 a little bit of an outcast. But guys want to 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.320 know can this guy help us win? Because everyone understands 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:46.880 that there's a fine window of opportunity that you have 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:50.240 to play in this league to win football games and 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.760 win at a high rate. So if a guy can 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:57.640 come in and does it it can play and does 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:03.640 it kill our chemistry, then he's welcomed in, you know. 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:06.840 And you look at a guy like Charles Halley, and 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.719 Charles may have come in and cussed everybody out, but 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:14.080 Charles came in and he went to work, you know 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:17.000 what I'm saying. So his productivity was at a level 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:18.960 where you say, you know what, it's maybe not the 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.480 dude that we want to always be friends with, but 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:23.520 I want them on my team on Sunday. And that's 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:25.000 the kind of thing that you got to be able 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.480 to differentiate when you're talking about the guys in the 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:30.520 locker room at different positions and so on and so forth. 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:33.960 So you know, and that's the thing is that what 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:37.080 a lot of times is is the talent worth the 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:42.800 tolerance of whatever they bring. England when you went to 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:44.840 New England, man, your talent was so great on the 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.679 special team that hey, Belichicks and we could put up 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:58.440 with Jesse, right. You see, I ain't stay long. Wasn't 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:05.280 good enough, Kurt, Kurt, you drought up earlier Jalen and 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.040 you know he's he's been having a good training camp 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.719 so far. And you know, we know that the issues 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.760 that Sean Lee's had was staying on the field. And 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.280 then you know, Layton, we'll see what happens with with 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.880 his health issues. Jalen's been doing some great things off 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.879 the field as entrepreneurs Approach entrepreneurship program that that he 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.040 started this year. It was just really cool thing that 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:27.640 he did, and he's doing a lot of stuff off 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.960 the field. Is he ready to take that step and 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.760 become a leader on this defense and step up and 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.600 be in the same conversation as a Tyrone Crawford and 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.840 and a DeMarcus Lawrence and those type guys, because you know, 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:43.080 if Sean Lee and Laton have a hard time getting 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.320 on the field, he's going to be a guy that 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:47.160 these some of these younger guys look up to because 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:49.080 he's been on the team for quite a few years now. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.399 Is he ready to take that step? And is he 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:56.520 that guy? Is he ready? I think I think Nate's 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.639 shaking his head. Let me say this, man, I've watched 0:19:00.720 --> 0:19:08.320 him and he is practicing lights out. Yaya, don't do 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:14.359 nothing for me? Does a lot for me? Okay? And 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:19.480 who was beating Jaylor's horn two years ago? More than me? 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:24.960 I go by what I see in games. Jayalen can 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:28.080 go back to that guy two years ago easily because 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:31.760 he has athletic skills and he has the will to 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:37.080 do it. Now. Jayleen has been looking good in practice 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.639 the three or four I've seen, he's looked good. Lateness 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.680 came up and it's not been live, but he's came 0:19:44.760 --> 0:19:47.840 up and stuck his his head and his shoulders and 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.440 everything into the little bit they've done. Both of these 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:56.000 guys combined can be something truly special, especially when they 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.840 get pulled back in there full time. But right now 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:02.240 he's doing everything perfect. And the reason I'm shaking my 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:04.800 head is not that I can't believe that he can't 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:09.040 be a leader. But if under the direction of playing 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.280 well through these coaches scheme and they're gonna put him 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.440 in position and make plays, and if Jalen stole back 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.120 chackling the way we saw two years ago, and you'd 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.639 be like, Yeah, ain't nobody gonna doot his horn bigger 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.840 than me? But right now, no, until I see it. No. 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.119 Last year he got some criticism for a kind of 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.440 freelancing a little too much. Well to move to weak side. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.679 Help that because he can roam a little more, is 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:39.280 Kurt let me slow done? The coaches were not tolerated. 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:43.560 I don't think the coaches would tolerate the freelancing unless 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:49.480 you prove to them that you are instinctive enough to win. 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:54.280 You freelance seventy percent of the time you win the 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.600 great I can't pronounce the kid name, y'all help me 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.560 to get this safety for the Stillers, Oh well, I 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.080 the model. Yeah and Earl Thomas when they were in 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:08.359 their prime at safeties, they would freelance a lot and 0:21:08.400 --> 0:21:11.480 coaches would never say nothing because seventy five the eighty 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.320 percent of the time they were spot on making plays. 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:18.000 If Jayalen exhibits that, then coach would be like, okay, 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:20.680 what did you see? You explain, They're like okay, cool, 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.800 I understand, but what did you see? And you ain't 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.040 made a tackle all game? And you're like, well, I 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.800 saw this. What did the defense say? What was your assignment? 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:32.919 Jesse speak on this? Please? No, you're hitting it right 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.280 on the head. That's the that's the that's the catalyst 0:21:36.320 --> 0:21:39.320 for Jaylen Smith is we don't need the raw rod. 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:41.560 We got enough. Ra Roy guys, we don't need enough. 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:43.600 We don't need all the words and the speeches and 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.080 all that just swiping all that kind of stuff. For Jayleen, 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:49.679 it his leadership comes with the productivity. Can you go 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:53.240 out there and make plays at your position, That's all 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.240 we care about, That's all your teammates are going to 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.200 care about. And then once you do that, because we 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.399 see we get a chance to sit on these shows 0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.960 for an hour and talk this and that, XS and 0:22:04.000 --> 0:22:06.000 those and all that kind of stuff. But Jayala is 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:08.080 sitting in the meeting room with his teammates and they're 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.720 watching the film with him and seeing him freelance and 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.840 be wrong and be out of position and miss tackles, 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.680 and they're like, damn, bro, I mean cool, you know it. 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:20.080 We cool and were cool and all. But you know 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.800 if your message falls on deaf ears. When I'm sitting 0:22:23.800 --> 0:22:25.959 in a meeting room with you and I see your 0:22:26.000 --> 0:22:28.040 screw ups and then you come out and tell me, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.879