1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in our number one Clay Track 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you spending your Wednesday with us, 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: And I just want to dive right into it because 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: there's gonna be all sorts of craziness going around about 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: this story today. In the last hour or so, New 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: York's Attorney general has announced that she is bringing civil 8 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: fraud lawsuits against Trump, members of his family, the Trump organization. 9 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: This is going to receive a lot of attention. The 10 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: timing on it is not an accident. Democrats are going 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: to try to make the midterms a referendum on Donald Trump. 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: An abortion that is the entire race so far as 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: they are concerned. They don't want to talk about Joe 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: Biden's record, they don't want to talk about any of 15 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: the decisions they've made over the past couple of years. 16 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: It feels incredibly calculated, given that we already had the 17 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Department of Justice FBI raid on Mara Lago. But what 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: I want to say that is significant here it's a 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty million dollar I believe civil fraud lawsuit, 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: is that it is civil. This is ultimately just a 21 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: business dispute. It is one hundred percent political, but is 22 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: a desperate ploy to put Donald Trump on the ballot 23 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: in the mid terms. I voted for Trump, voted for Trump, 24 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: A lot of you voted for Trump. I don't want 25 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: people to get distracted as we sit here forty eight 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: days from the official midterm election, as all of the 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: polls are breaking in Republican directions in every major race 28 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: all over the country, because inflation, the border, and crime 29 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: are the top three issues pretty much everywhere. Buck you 30 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: said it, still think the Department of Justice may bring 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: charges against Trump even before the midterm election, but at 32 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: least for this a lot of people are dumb. Is 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: certainly in the media, they're not going to focus on it. 34 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: As soon as I saw that this was civil and 35 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: not criminal, meaning it's a monetary dispute, not some major 36 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: threat to someone's freedom, I just immediately say this is 37 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: a billion percent political designed to put Trump on the 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: ballot in the midterms. But Letitia James is making a 39 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: calculated decision to use her office for political attacks, and 40 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: that's frankly what this is about. Today. How many lawsuits, 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: criminal allegations, different charges of all kinds can they bring 42 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump that are entirely frivolous, absurd, untrue, before 43 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: everyone just understands what's going on here, right, And I 44 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: think we're actually at that point, Clay. I think the 45 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: Democrats largely know that this is all just get him. 46 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's Laventi Barrier from the old Soviet secret police. 47 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: Show me the man, I'll show you the crime, right, 48 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: it's the the usage of the apparatus as a weapon 49 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: against your political opponents. You know. They're also talking now 50 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: about the media is giving coverage to a e. Gene 51 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: Carol I believes her name who brought the initial allegation 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: or brought an allegation against sexual assault thing sexual assault 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: against Trump. She doesn't and I'm I'm being serious. She 54 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: doesn't remember what year it was, but she's pretty sure 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: that it happened. She's not totally sure where or how, 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: but she's pretty sure. She went on CNN, if you recall, 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: and it's actually quite a moment with Anderson Cooper to 58 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: bring this allegation while Trump was still president, and they 59 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: effectively abandoned the whole thing because of what she said 60 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: during that interview, which I'm not even gonna say here 61 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: on the show because to quote it is so you know, 62 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't want anywhere to cut the quote out and 63 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: say that I've said what she because what she said 64 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: was completely insane on that show. But they never stop, Clay, 65 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: I mean, the Libs will do anything to go after 66 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: Trump and destroying And here's my thought process on this, 67 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: because people would rightly say, well, Buck, you've been a 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: little skeptical of them bringing charges against Trump, and then 69 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: you've been less skeptical. Yes, because I believe this is 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: all being calibrated to exactly what you started talking about, 71 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: exactly what you're starting out with analytically, which is this 72 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: is about the midterm election, clearly obviously, and they're trying 73 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: to make it about Trump. But to your point about 74 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: it being a civil lawsuit, Yeah, this isn't going to 75 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 1: be enough. This is grandstanding. This is shifting the focus. 76 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: Will they as we get closer to the election, are 77 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: they willing to bring a criminal charge of any kind 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: from the DOJ against Donald Trump? He's not running. I 79 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: have to remind everybody about this. Right we think of 80 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: him as, oh, well, he's going to be a presidential 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: candidate right now? He is just a former president. He 82 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: is a citizen. He is subject to all the usual 83 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: There's not even a guidance at the DOJ that would 84 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 1: prevent him officially from being charged in this election cycle. 85 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: I would think, right now, Claire, curious what you think 86 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: on this, I would think, right now, they still don't 87 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: want to do that, because that's the nuclear option, right 88 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: that's once you've indicted Trump criminally. Now we know, okay, 89 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's all hands on deck. They don't 90 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: care what the system does, they don't care what this 91 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 1: does in the country. But as we're getting closer to 92 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 1: your point about where the polls are breaking, they're desperate. 93 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: These people are lunatics. And if they think that the 94 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: best option is to indict Trump right before the election, 95 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: I think I think they're willing to do it. I 96 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: think that it would they I think they will not 97 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: do it right before the election. I can respect the 98 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: argument because I do think they're crazy and delusional and 99 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler. And if you were 100 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: truly in your mind and convinced that Donald Trump is Hitler, 101 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 1: well why would you rely on any precedence at all? 102 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: You're staring into the face of here, can you make 103 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: the case to me and everyone obviously millions of people 104 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: listening across the country. Why won't they do it? Because 105 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting exercise. Well, so I 106 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: don't think they will do it because one, I think 107 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: it's actually bad politics. That's the only thing I would 108 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 1: think would stop them. Yeah, So leaving aside the legality, 109 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a moment, but one, it's 110 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: bad politics because I think if they charged Trump directly 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: before the midterm elections, it's impossible to argue that it's 112 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: anything other than a political prosecution, even for people out 113 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: there who may hate Trump. The argument that you have 114 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to file charges now, we're forty eight days before the 115 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 1: midterm election. There's nothing that is such an exigent danger 116 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: that they would have to bring charges now as opposed 117 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: to on November tenth or November twelfth, a few days 118 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: after the election, Like there's no reason that has to happen. 119 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: So that's one, And I think it would blow up 120 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: in their faces. And I think we would see a 121 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: lot of people say this is an actual direct attack 122 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: on democracy, And I think it would motivate republican and 123 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: Republican leaning independent voters to turn out in great numbers, 124 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: So I think it's bad politics. Two, if you really 125 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: want Trump, if you really want to nail him to 126 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: the you know, nail him to the proverbial cross and 127 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: hold him up so everybody can see it. If you 128 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: are Marrick Garland, you need to make this non political. 129 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: I understand the point Buck that it is intensely political, 130 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: but he has to be able to go out in 131 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: front of the media and say, no one is above 132 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: the law. This is about justice in America. It's not 133 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: about Donald Trump. And I think they need to do 134 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: that early in twenty three or run. And you think 135 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden because you still think that'll mean our bet. 136 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: But you may be right about this one. I think 137 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden is the sacrificial lamb. Look, Buck, I'm pretty 138 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: good at understanding BS Bowyer arguments. You go to law school. 139 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: There's so many people who walk around and they're like, Oh, 140 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: I really love the law. It's such a majestic thing. 141 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: And then you're like, yeah, then why are you taking 142 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: a job so that you sit in your office and 143 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: look at docs all day long? You like money, all right? 144 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: You like power? That is where you are going to 145 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: going to law school. But this move Merrick Garland is 146 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: the quintessential one of the law guy, so that Hunter 147 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: gives him cover to charge Trump. The other issue, though, 148 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: becomes Latissa James office. He doesn't care how this looks. 149 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: In fact, she likes how it looks. I'm just I'm 150 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: just this is a little bit of Devil's advocacy, because 151 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: I have been very skeptical that they were going to 152 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: bring a criminal charge against Trump at any point, just 153 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: because the one thing that the reason that I think 154 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: it's so hard, it's not even as much the layally 155 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: legal aspect of this as the what will the political 156 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: ramifications be? Right, It's it's like a political declaration of war. 157 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: What happens. Everyone's got a plantil, they get punched in 158 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: the face if they throw this punch. I think they 159 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: don't really know what comes next in terms of the 160 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 1: political ramifications of it. But what I'm thinking is, I mean, 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: Letitia James, this could not be more obviously political. Right. 162 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 1: They're bringing some two hundred and fifty million dollar fraud suit. 163 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: It's a two hundred eighty page clay. They're doing it 164 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: a month from the election, effectively, whatever six weeks from 165 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: the election, so clearly they didn't care enough as the 166 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 1: Attorney General in the state of New York, Merrick Garland, 167 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: did this and set this up in the summer before 168 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: an election. I mean, you can already argue that it 169 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: was intended to interfere at some level with the election. 170 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: And so I think what they're watching here is how 171 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: does this actually play in if you're right that that 172 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: their belief is that a prosecution Trump would mobilize and 173 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: would because there are a lot of people, Clay who 174 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: are just like I can't they throw their hands up 175 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: at the end, like I can't handle this Trump stuff again, Yeah, 176 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: I hear, don't you talk to people that have that. 177 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: I can't get all that, And we can have a 178 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: big discussion about that, and I think we should today. 179 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: Let me just say this, the political calculus is different 180 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: for someone like Letitia James or the DA who is 181 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 1: down in Atlanta conducting state level investigations right in terms 182 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: of their New York State ag She's going to be 183 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: able to be elected a g for the rest of 184 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: her career because people I think she wants to be 185 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: agg just to be clear, and that may well be true. 186 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:43,719 Speaker 1: But for her individually the politics are very beneficial for 187 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: the prosecutor down in Atlanta. The politics may well be 188 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: very productive. What I'm talking about is the federal lawsuit 189 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: being brought by the Attorney General of the United States, 190 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: the Department of Joe So why do you think Merrick 191 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Garland couldn't Again, I'm not I don't pretend that I can. 192 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: I can predict the future here. Although they're not going 193 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: to They're not going to prosecute Hunter Biden. But why 194 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: why do you think the Merrick Garland argument wouldn't be 195 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: the following. Donald Trump is not above the law. He's 196 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: a former president, he is a citizen. These documents, this 197 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: whole issue started to come to the four this year. 198 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: We're not going to delay it just because he's a person. 199 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: He is not running for office. He has not announced 200 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: his candidacy. In fact, you could argue, again I'm just 201 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: playing it all out here, that waiting to indict him 202 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: after he's announced he's running for president is clear election interference. 203 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: To indict him before he announces, Merrick Garland could make 204 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: the case, not that he I don't even think he 205 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: really cares. I think we gave these people too much 206 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: credit for their honor and everything else. But a side note, 207 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: he'd say, look, this is the normal pace of a 208 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 1: prosecution of someone who is now a private citizen who 209 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: had classified information and was you know, what's the word, 210 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm looking what was he doing? Obstructing? Thank you? Obstructing justice. 211 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm thinking that it's possible, because Clay, this 212 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: age thing today is completely insane, right, I mean, we 213 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: just didn't think some audio for you because we got 214 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: it added now this just I mean had the press conference. 215 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: But I believe that when you are a like this 216 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 1: guy wanted to be on the Supreme Court, and when 217 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: you are on that level, you consider yourself to be 218 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: a steward of precedent and the law. I'm just telling 219 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: you how he thinks. And the only way that I 220 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: can see that he can convince himself that this is 221 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: not political in nature is if he also charges Hunter 222 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: Biden and says no one is above the law. But 223 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: but I mean to your point about how he want 224 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: to be on the Supreme Court, why isn't he on 225 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court? I get it, and that he's been 226 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, I think he is a scorned man. I 227 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: think he is deeply internally forever bitter, and the individual 228 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: that he blames most directly is the person who is 229 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: now in the DOJ's sites. Yeah, I get it, I 230 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: understand the argument. I do not, And to your point, 231 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: we need to have a longer conversation on this. This 232 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: is why to me, the moment mar Lago got rated. 233 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: If you remember, like the first few days we discussed it, 234 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: I said, if I were advising Trump, I can see 235 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: an argument that he should go ahead and announce that 236 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: he's running for president, because if he announces he's running 237 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: for president, then if he's charged with a crime, can argue, right, Hey, 238 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: this is political in nature, and they're trying to come 239 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: after me because they don't want me to be the 240 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: next president of the United States, Which is why I 241 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: think we may have a rush for both Trump to 242 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: announce right after the midterms and also for their two 243 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: p potential charges brought right after the min I also 244 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,319 Speaker 1: just want to throw this out there too. If they 245 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: don't charge Trump, and let's just say that just this 246 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: lingers on we get into and he announces he is 247 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: going to pound that drum on. They came after me 248 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: and mar Lago and it was all a sham and 249 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: by the way, which it was, but put that aside. 250 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: It was all a fraud. It was all political, and 251 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna look very obvious to people that it was 252 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: so this anyway, there's some fashionating calculations here. Yeah. Well, 253 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: we also promised for this audience we will stay focused 254 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: in on what was our montre yesterday. Clay immigration, crime, 255 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: the economy, immigration crime, the accomlation, all all of those 256 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: things should be the focus. But I do want you 257 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: all out there listening to have talking points because there 258 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: is going to be a frenzy and the most important thing. 259 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: My first thought when I saw this story break is 260 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: it civil or criminal? When I saw it was civil, 261 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: and again that means it's a monetary dispute in this case, 262 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: not a criminal dispute. I immediately said, this is a 263 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: nothing burger. It's gonna get a lot of attention, but 264 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: it's really just a dispute over money that will drag 265 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: on for years and probably not have any serious ramifications. 266 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: We got more coming up here in just a second. Folks. 267 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, if you rejoy over the Supreme Court decision 268 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: in turning over Roe v. Wade, you know what a 269 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: good moment that was. 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We 293 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: show that they violated several state criminal laws, including falsifying 294 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: business records, issuing false financial statements, assurance fraud, and engaging 295 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: in a conspiracy to commit each of these state law violations, 296 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: we believe the conduct alleged in this action also violates 297 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: federal criminal law, including issuing false statements to financial institutions 298 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: end thank fraud. We are referring those criminal violations that 299 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: we've uncovered to the United States Attorney for the Southern 300 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: District of New York end the Internal Revenue Service, that's 301 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: the Attorney General of New York State. Leticia James saying, Clay, 302 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: she's using all those terms you never want to hear 303 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: if you're a possible defendant, fraud, conspiracy, criminal referral. Now 304 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: maybe it's all grandstanding, but I don't think the referral 305 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: part is. I think she's at least going to push 306 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: it to the Southern District. And she's saying it's this 307 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: is this is a civil case to your point, but 308 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: she's saying there were crimes on earth here too. Yeah. 309 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: If there were, though, why why didn't she bring criminal charge? Ah? Yes, indeed, 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: But well she couldn't bring the federal ones. Obviously she 311 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: couldn't bring the federal ones. But I'm talking about for 312 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: state violations of law. Why not bring those herself as 313 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: opposed to filing a civil lawsuit. We'll talk about that 314 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: coming back in a second, because I do think that's 315 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: intriguing legally from a procedural process. 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Pure Talk is simply smarter wirelessly. Travis and 335 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: buck Sexton on the front Lines of Truth. Welcome back 336 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,719 Speaker 1: in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. Okay, we just played 337 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: you audio as we finished the last segment of Letitia James, 338 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: new York Attorney General, saying that she has forwarded evidence 339 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: of crimes to Department of Justice officials and to the 340 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: Eastern District of New York. I believe irs you have it, Buck, 341 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: if she had you know that she hates Donald Trump 342 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 1: more than anything. You know that she has said that 343 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: essentially she's going to get Trump politically she benefits. This 344 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,479 Speaker 1: could help her potentially take over one day after Kathy Hokel, 345 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: Remember she wanted to run. I think she even officially 346 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: announced she was run for governor, and then they couldn't 347 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: raise enough money, so she decided not to run. So, 348 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: if she really had the goods on criminal violations by 349 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, why would she only charge him with civil violations? Again, 350 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: state law, not federal law. Because she is a state prosecutor, 351 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: she doesn't get to make the decision on federal criminal violations. 352 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: But if she really had the goods, certainly there is 353 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: a state law that Trump could be charged under of 354 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: a criminal statute nature. Instead, she only charges him with 355 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: civil violations monetary penalties. Essentially, she is seeking and then 356 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: makes a big show of saying, I'm giving the rest 357 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: of this evidence to others. She is politically ambitious, She 358 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: wants to be governor one day, she may want to 359 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: be the Attorney general of the United States. Why wouldn't 360 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 1: she bring criminal charges if she had evidence of criminal 361 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: behavior of Donald Trump, do it on a state level, 362 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: and then say, there are also federal charges here I 363 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: believe could be brought as well, and I forwarded all 364 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: that information to the federal government. My answer would be 365 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: buck because she doesn't actually have the goods that there 366 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: are criminal violations here. Well, she also doesn't want to lose, 367 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: and to lose in a Remember, in a civil situation, 368 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: the standard of proof is very different, very very different. 369 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: Who don't know civil lawsuit preponderance of the evidence that 370 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: is fifty percent plus a feather for criminal, it's beyond 371 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt. But I would argue, even if she 372 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: lost a criminal proceeding buck, she's still the person who 373 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 1: had the stones to bring criminal So I think, more 374 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: than anything else, it's this is she's hoping to hand 375 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: it off to the Feds and to Merrick Garland specifically, 376 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: or the Southern District of New York. Look, it depends. 377 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: There are so many right now, or rather this week, 378 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: I should say, But in the last twenty four hours 379 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: there were Trump lawyers in federal court in Brooklyn dealing 380 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: with the special Master situation, the eleven thousand seased documents. 381 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: The process is the punishment. Everyone sees this. They are 382 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: mobilizing every aspect of the legal apparatus that they can. 383 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: The libs are doing whatever they can to try to 384 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: bring just legal entanglements. And here's part of the problem 385 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: is that this just also creates This sends a message, 386 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: I think, to people who might want to get involved 387 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: in the next Trump campaign and possible amistration. This is 388 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: we will the libs even if they don't criminally charge Trump. 389 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: The message they have send here is we will hound 390 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: you and your family. Remember Trump's kids are involved in 391 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: this too. You will hound you and your family for 392 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: the rest of your days. The Libs will bring frivolous lawsuits. 393 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: They will bring the most bogus charges, whatever they can 394 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: do to just punish you and ruin your life for 395 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: no actual wrongdoing they could speak of. So that sends 396 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: a message. Russia collusion, emoluments clause stuff, the two impeachments, 397 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: now the Marlago documents, now the civil case from the AG. 398 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: I mean, Clay, this is the thing we're trying to 399 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,479 Speaker 1: get in the heads of crazy people here. They're nuts, 400 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: they can't see what's going on. They never actually get him, 401 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: but they keep bringing more and more criminal charges, more 402 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: criminal or more court cases, I should say, against him. 403 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 1: I think at some point they've boxed. This is why 404 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,640 Speaker 1: I keep thinking the desperation move becomes if they don't 405 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: charge him, they actually help him become president. I think 406 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: that's where the mentality switches happening. Well, I think they've 407 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: guaranteed that he's gonna run. The way to make Trump 408 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: not run was to be like, oh, you know what, 409 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: he was a pretty good president, but you know, we're 410 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: going to do presidents now. We don't really have to 411 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: talk about him. I thought, I thought Biden one with 412 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: the most votes ever, and it was such a clean 413 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: election and it was perfect, and yet they seem terrified 414 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: of doing the redo here with a second round. That's 415 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: I do think that's kind of interesting, Like, shouldn't they 416 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: be the lib should be rolling out the red carpet 417 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: for defe be such a bad candidate they should want 418 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: to run against him. Here's the other thing I would say, Buck, 419 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: I do think Republicans out there on some level are 420 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 1: going to have to make a decision in twenty three 421 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: as we run up towards the primary season to get 422 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: ready for twenty four. And I think that decision is 423 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: going to be and I think there's a lot of 424 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: you out there rationally kind of sitting around thinking about it. 425 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: Is Hey, as great as Trump was, and as great 426 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: as he is, he's got one term that he can serve. 427 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: Right Trump wins in twenty twenty four, he's got to 428 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: be gone by twenty eight, that's a reality. Are there 429 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: other candidates that Republican primary voters might consider? And the 430 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,880 Speaker 1: reason why I bring this up is some of those 431 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: guys could survey years and so I guess my my 432 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 1: biggest thought in terms of Democrat calculation here is the 433 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: Republican bench of potential, real, legitimate, big time contenders is 434 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: way deeper to me than the Democrat benches. Right, buck 435 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: you go? But does it even matter when Joe Biden 436 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: was you know what I'm saying, like, like we're running 437 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 1: against I get put in the machine. But I would 438 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: argue that there are some candidates out there that could 439 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: be better, uh candidates and even presidents than Trump, like right, 440 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: Rhonda Santis, Ted Cruz, and I'm just naming names, Nicky Haley, 441 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: Tim Scott who carried away? Are you saying that you 442 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: think they could be or that the voters may decide 443 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: that they voters may decide that they could be. I 444 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: mean to me, the thing is Democrats are trying to 445 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: knock out Trump, but the reality is Republican voters are 446 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 1: going to get to make that decision. Right. So the 447 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: question that I think in the political calculus is out 448 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: here is if they do bring charges against Trump. I 449 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: mean criminal charges, not civil charges. Its civil charges. This 450 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 1: is all just a sideshow. Whatever you and I can 451 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: get sued, hopefully, let's note, but you can get You 452 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: can sue someone for anything at any point in time 453 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: in this country. So the idea that you have a 454 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: civil lawsuit pending against you is and then this is 455 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: the former lawyer in me speaking, or former full time 456 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: lawyer in me speaking, It's just not that big of 457 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: a deal. So civil lawsuits to me are not significant. 458 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: If there are criminal charges brought sometime against Trump, then 459 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: the police calculus becomes far more interesting to me in 460 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: terms of what primary voters would say as to whether 461 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: that makes them more or less likely to want to 462 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: support Trump. And I don't claim to know the US, 463 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: but you still very strongly believe in your Trump. And 464 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: Hunter Trump gets prosecuted and Hunter Biden gets prosecuted. The 465 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: second part of this, well, we have a bet audit. 466 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: But the first part of this, I'm with me on 467 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: the Trump gets prosecuted. So I'm feeling like, well, I 468 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,199 Speaker 1: just keep going through the iterations in my head. And 469 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: then there's also the frustration of the fact that they 470 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: benefit from this. No matter what it's, it's a little 471 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: bit like you're going through an IRS audit. You know 472 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 1: who loses you? You know who doesn't really care one 473 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: way or the other. The government, the guys that are 474 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: auditing you get paid. They either get their money or 475 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: they look like they're busy. And it doesn't matter the 476 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: fact that we're even here. Having to go through the 477 00:27:55,119 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: possible iterations of a prosecution of the likeliest X, not 478 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: the only one, but likeliest next Republican presidential contender, just 479 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: goes to show you that they're forcing us a little 480 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: bit onto defense. I mean, it is also just an 481 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: interesting intellectual exercise to think about how crazy these libs are. 482 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: But we're not talking about the border inflation crime. We're 483 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: not talking about But I mean when I say we're not, 484 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: we will at a moment, and we're going to talk 485 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: about the what is it seventy five basis points that 486 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: they're expected to raise. Just later at two o'clock Eastern 487 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: were expected to see a seventy five point basis rise. 488 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 1: I mean, I think anybody honestly play it was almost 489 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,119 Speaker 1: like invoking the mercy rule. I remember I used to 490 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: play whiffleball, right, and there'll be the mercy rule, because 491 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: we play whiffleball a lot. If they like one kid 492 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: who's really good at whiffleball, and all of a sudden 493 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: the score gets into double digits and all the other 494 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: kids are like, he hits too hard. And watching Trump, 495 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, watching Biden up there at the UN and 496 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: the UN apparently only exists so world leaders can whine 497 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: about conflicts that the UN was unable will to prevent, 498 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: like this is what does like what do you what 499 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: is the purpose of this thing? But Biden's up there, 500 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: He's doing his shouty kind of grimacing, squinty eyed thing, 501 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: and then they cut to Letitia James, you know, with 502 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: Trump announcing the civil suit. I think it was the 503 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: mercy rule because Biden up there the whole thing. I'm 504 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: just like, what is this old man shouting about? Like 505 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: what is this even supposed to be at this point? Yeah, 506 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: And if we go to break here, I would just 507 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: ask everybody out there and think about this. And we 508 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 1: got a lot of fun stuff to still talk about. 509 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: We got some incredible audio clips. Our friends at the 510 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: View are done with their summer recess. Us both think 511 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: about what a great show, what a great guest pairing. 512 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: That would be we'd have so much fun. Those ladies 513 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: would be so charmed by us. It's amazing how stupid 514 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: that show is. They were on summer break and they've 515 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: immediately come back. Plus I think we tease that we 516 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: might talk about this yesterday, but Don Lemon decided to 517 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: argue with the British person about reparations and he got 518 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: dunked on so hard that he might be in concussion. 519 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: Glass shattered. 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Got to push 543 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: those numbers up and go to Clay and Buck dot 544 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: com for everything you need about the show. We've got. 545 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: We can listen to the podcasts there. We post things there. 546 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: Good times. Michael in California has an important announcement. Clay, 547 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: what's up man? Where's that? Where's that dinner? For Bluck? Well, 548 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: I mean Buck, This is an intriguing position now on 549 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: our bet because no work, no, no, no no, but you 550 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 1: now agree, you now agree with me that Trump's gonna 551 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: be charged. No hold on, Michael, remembers the bet is 552 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: about Hunter Biden being charged, which we talked about in January. Okay, 553 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: so it's now September, so I understand I still think 554 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: Hunter is going to be charged. Okay, so we had 555 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: a timeline, so we can we go double or nothing 556 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: into twenty three one Hunter? Who let it wait? So 557 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: double or nothing if Trump and Hunter? If Trump and 558 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: Hunter get invited, Trump, No, just a Hunter. But I 559 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: think I still think Trump, and I think you agree 560 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: with me on Trump right like, if you had to 561 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: choose right now, you think I wouldn't bet. I wouldn't 562 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: bet against Trump being charged right now, So we are 563 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: now in agreement on that. I'm saying just double or 564 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: nothing on Hunter. But giving me the twenty twenty three Michael, 565 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,600 Speaker 1: what do you think should I should I ease his 566 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: pain here at this double or nothing? Or should I 567 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: just start sharpening the knives for the filet Mignon? What 568 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: do you think I sharpened the knives? No? No, double 569 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: or nothing. I mean, here's here's my only thought. Michael's 570 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: a smart man, he knows well. Thank you for the call. Michael. 571 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,239 Speaker 1: By the way, here, I think that I think our 572 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: our audience out here Buck what if you have a 573 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: fabulous steak dinner and then Hunter gets charged with a 574 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: gets charged with a crime just based on the time. 575 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: This would feel like a bit of a bit of achieving. 576 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: I would see, you know, the bed is the bed. 577 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I gave you till December to be fair. 578 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: He could get charged. He could get in November December 579 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: time frame, in which case, you know, obviously I'm gonna 580 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: be on the wrong side of this one. I'm gonna 581 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: think about this this double or nothing to twenty three. 582 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: I still believe that a sitting United States president, his party, 583 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: his appointee. Now, I would say that if they if 584 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: they had a special counsel. Which did you see this? 585 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,560 Speaker 1: By the way, I was like, thirty three Republican senators 586 00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: think there should be a Hunter Biden special counsel about 587 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,479 Speaker 1: the other ones? Yeah, I don't understand how that fifty 588 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: did not agree that the special who Yeah, the seventeen 589 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: who voted against that, I don't know how that's possible. 590 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: I mean, like, this is the most honest legal analysts 591 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 1: I know all admit that if there was ever a 592 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: case for a special counsel, it is the influence peddling 593 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: and federal crimes of the sitting president's son. And frankly, 594 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: it's not only for Hunter Biden. I'm still in complete 595 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: disbelief that Merrick Garland is allowed to head up an 596 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: investigation of Donald Trump. Like, this is also what the 597 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 1: Independent Council Statute was designed for. Merrick Garland buck is 598 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: leading an investigation of his boss's chief political ros. This 599 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 1: is what they always do. I get always they don't 600 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: recuse themselves. Yeah, like, oh, but people will say, I 601 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: mean things about how we have no ethics. They're like, 602 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: deal with it. They're like take it. We're not gonna 603 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: they don't care our side. We always have Republicans who 604 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: are like, what about our principles? Like what about our principles? 605 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: We're about to be overrun and they're gonna start slaughtering 606 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: the survivors of the battle with bayonets afterwards, Like what 607 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: do you mean our principles? This is always how it goes. 608 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: They keep the power, they don't want to give it up, 609 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: and we sit around being like, well, well, you know, 610 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 1: I don't know what would Edmund Burke say about this one. 611 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I just I can't believe that. I 612 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: feel like I'm the only person that has even been 613 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,359 Speaker 1: talking about the fact that this is totally it's not 614 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 1: even just impropriety, Buck, the appearance of impropriety. How can 615 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: there not be the appearance of impropriety when the chief 616 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: political rival of of I can explain this for everybody, 617 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 1: and everybody will know exactly what I'm talking about. They're 618 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: gonna go, oh, yep, that's that's right. The same mentality 619 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: that allows Merrick Garland to not, you know, recuse himself 620 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,359 Speaker 1: or to or to be in charge of this investigation 621 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 1: and not feel badly about it is the Martha's Vineyard 622 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: libs who are patting themselves on the back publicly for 623 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: having migrants on their island for forty four hours and 624 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 1: how well they did. But an easy analogy from the 625 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: world of sports, Buck is, would the Yankees be able 626 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: to investigate the Red Sox for alleged wrong doing? Would 627 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State be able to investigate Michigan? Would Alabama be 628 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: able to investigate Auburn. This idea that you could have 629 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: your chief rival with the opportunity to take you out 630 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: conduct an investigation is just pure madness. But I do 631 00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: think of all the craziness that's going on right now, 632 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: the most significant thing to come out of Letitia James's 633 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: announcement here is she didn't have the goods. She didn't 634 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 1: have the goods or the stones forty eight days before 635 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: the election to actually charge, despite a multi year investigation, 636 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: Donald Trump with any criminal violation. Now, she put the 637 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 1: onus on others to do it, but she didn't have 638 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: the stones to do it herself. I think that's pretty 639 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: significant here. We're gonna talk to you in a few 640 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: minutes about what happens when somebody who actually knows quite 641 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,720 Speaker 1: a bit of history talks about requests for reparations. Plus 642 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 1: also we'll talk about some transgender issues. That's all coming up. 643 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: Sleet Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of truth.