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Speaker 1: The one thing that money cannot buy and the one.

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Speaker 2: Thing that is elusive to so many people yet so desired,

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Speaker 2: is fame.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to off the cup. I'm se Cup.

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Speaker 4: And if you know me at all, I mean at all,

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Speaker 4: even a little, you know I am a big Bravo fan,

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Speaker 4: the biggest, the biggest. I would I would, I would

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Speaker 3: I like to joke I have a PhD.

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Speaker 4: In Bravo and I've been so lucky and honored that

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Speaker 4: I've gotten to go to Bravo cons and interview Bravo liberties,

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Speaker 4: and I've gotten to do watch What Happens Live.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe half a dozen times.

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Speaker 4: And on one of the first times I did watch

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Speaker 4: What Happens Live, a caller called in and asked, me, like,

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Speaker 4: you know, you've you've interviewed so many political people and

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Speaker 4: presidential candidates.

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Speaker 3: Who is someone.

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Speaker 4: You'd like to interview that you haven't And I said,

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Speaker 4: Andy Cohen, and I meant.

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Speaker 3: It, and so here we are.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm just I'm thrilled, and he won't believe me,

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Speaker 4: but I am truly thrilled. You know who Andy Cohen

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Speaker 4: is He's the Emmy Award winning host of Watch What

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Speaker 4: Happens Live on Bravo, the creator of all of your

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Speaker 4: favorite Bravo shows, co host of New Year's Eve on

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Speaker 4: My Other life network CNN.

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Speaker 1: Anderson love you so much. Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 4: Here we go, he does it all, Andy Cohen, thanks

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Speaker 4: for coming on Off the Cup.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, and I love the cute name

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Speaker 1: of the pod.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. We're keeping it cash over here on Off the Cup.

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Speaker 3: Love it Cash. So this is truly, truly I wanted

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Speaker 3: to sit down with you.

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Speaker 4: I've wanted to interview you for a long time because

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Speaker 4: you built a network that's really really important to me.

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Speaker 4: And I've told you this, but I want to tell

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Speaker 4: our audiences. But there's been three Bravo cons now, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The first in New York was sort of like small scale.

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Speaker 1: It was the beta.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 4: The second at the Javit Center was ginormous and amazing,

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Speaker 4: and I went because I was going to interview.

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Speaker 3: People on panels. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: And you know, my friend Dave works at Bravo, sort

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Speaker 4: of picked me up there and said, I want to

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Speaker 3: So he did.

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Speaker 4: He walks me around the floor and I'm in the

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Speaker 4: big like merch hall where all the Bravo lebrities are

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Speaker 4: selling their stuff, you know, and there's lines for days,

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Speaker 4: people lined up to meet Teresa or to buy lover

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Speaker 4: I had a very profound moment at this Bravo con

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Speaker 4: seeing all of these very happy people. I thought, my god,

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Speaker 4: this network means so much to so many people, and

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Speaker 4: And it really made me think about, like my life,

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Speaker 2: It feels great, to be honest, It feels really nice.

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Speaker 2: And it's interesting because did you go to the Vegas

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Speaker 1: And the Vegas Bravo Con came after we.

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Speaker 2: Were really getting hammered by a former housewife publicly.

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Speaker 1: With a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Just a lot of noise, and walking in to Bravo

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Speaker 5: It was like, oh, way to minute, look at this,

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Speaker 5: at our happy talent. Because it's the greatest ego boost

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Speaker 2: And it's really surprising in this day and age there

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Speaker 3: The brand loyalty to is giant.

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Speaker 2: I think it was the second Bravo Kan Anderson Cooper

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Speaker 2: It gratified me to hear his reflection of it all.

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Speaker 2: It makes me very proud of our team, and makes

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Speaker 4: it's a huge part of my life Bravo. Yes, And

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Speaker 3: There's nothing like it.

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Speaker 1: So that was good.

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Speaker 3: Andy Cohen after the break. I grew up in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 4: Yes, what kind of things? So my nine year old

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Speaker 4: And you said, if I'm gay, I'm gonna die.

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Speaker 2: The first thing she said was I probably would have

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Speaker 4: We both at Boston Connections. You went to be you.

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Speaker 2: You know, Boston isn't first of all, for someone coming

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Speaker 1: Like, oh you have a problem with it. It's like

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like I just want a nice tea,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're very protective.

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Speaker 4: But like we have an inferiority complex about New York totally.

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Speaker 4: So let's get into some bravo shit. A number of

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Speaker 2: Andy, let me tell you something as someone who is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so I can't imagine it. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, Okay, your Genshaw, your Genshaw.

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Speaker 4: And she's been convicted, so we can talk about her

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Speaker 2: Yes, I have from ripping off old people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, if you had.

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Speaker 4: To describe I'm auditioning, I want to audition for a housewives.

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Speaker 3: She's a character. Yeah, but that is exactly real.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really is real.

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Speaker 2: I think if they don't gel. I think it makes

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Speaker 1: The other women kind of bringing them.

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Speaker 2: I think, you know, sometimes people come off too mean

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Speaker 1: I just you know, I'm just gonna start picking fights.

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Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, that also doesn't work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah for sure, And we can tell the audience can

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Speaker 4: How do you housewives cities?

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Speaker 1: It's many different ways.

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Speaker 2: And then the more we got into it, we were like,

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Speaker 1: They are for sure. Yeah yeah, but like.

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Speaker 2: We weren't saying, oh, well, we need to do Housewives

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Speaker 1: But usually it's a.

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00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: Town that has a great regional identity and that women

447
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,719
Speaker 2: you have a sense.

448
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: Oh, oh they're from Dallas, they're so Jersey. Yeah, they're Ferry,

449
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: Orange County where you can just tell there. You know.

450
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: It's a different show, but the themes are similar, but

451
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: the women are different.

452
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, moving on to your personal life, you have to

453
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 4: be beautiful, kiddos, Ben and Lucy. How did you come

454
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 4: to a decision to have children at your age?

455
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: My advanced age?

456
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: Listen, My pregnancy was called geriatric because I was thirty five.

457
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 3: So you can take it too, Okay, you kidding me?

458
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you're thirty five, your pregnancy is called geriatric.

459
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: Holy moly, it sounds it sounds real nice, doesn't it.

460
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, wow, I have to say, uh, excuse my yawn.

461
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: I am a yawner, as you know from watching.

462
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: Reunions, several reunions yawning in de Reed's phase Your Pa. Anyway,

463
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: I wrote two books which were diaries of my life

464
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: that spanned three years, and there was something it was

465
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 2: something I always wanted to do, but I was never

466
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: really ready to do because I was having too much

467
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 2: fun and then I was getting face and that I

468
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: was building the talk show and that I was loving.

469
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: That and working crazy hours.

470
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 2: Looking like crazy hours and just really living and saying yes, yes,

471
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: I want to go present at the Billboard Awards.

472
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: I want to go.

473
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: I want to host this beauty pageant in Brazil, Like

474
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: I was.

475
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: Really saying yes, yeah.

476
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 2: And I think looking at those books there was something

477
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 2: chilling to me where I was like, is that all

478
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: there is?

479
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: Is this going to be it for me? I was,

480
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, and I was.

481
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: Approaching fifty and I was thinking I need to ground myself.

482
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: And I also finally had the money that I thought it.

483
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: Would take to provide for my kids in the way

484
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 2: that I wanted to provide for them.

485
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: So it was a mix of all that. I would say.

486
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 4: For me at my geriatric age, the weight of responsibility

487
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 4: as a parent was very overwhelming to me and it

488
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 4: hasn't gotten any easier, and it can be paralyzing for me.

489
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 4: How do you deal with that weight of these two

490
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 4: people are fully dependent on me. The future, their future,

491
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 4: don't freak me out is being shaped right now by

492
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 4: everything I'm doing.

493
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 3: I mean, this is just how I think.

494
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: I know. I mean, it's very scary. Mine is more.

495
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: My freakouts are more You're their only parent, you know,

496
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: mine are really about time management and making sure I'm

497
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 2: around with them.

498
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're enough for them and.

499
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: That I'm present for them, you know. So, so that's

500
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 2: my thing. Look, I rely on I have a lot

501
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 2: of help, and I also have they have great There

502
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: are great people in my life who are mainly my

503
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: super old friends and my family, and I just make

504
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: sure that my kids have connections with all those things,

505
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: yeah too, so that they feel like they've got a

506
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 2: community around them.

507
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 4: I have friends mom friends who will say to me,

508
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 4: you can't worry all the time. You just gotta do

509
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,000
Speaker 4: your best, send them into the world and hope for

510
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 4: the best.

511
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: And man, I wish I could be like that. That

512
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 3: sounds amazing.

513
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: Instead, I worry about everything, and I suffer from severe anxiety,

514
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: and so I catastrophize all the time and I have

515
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 4: intrusive thoughts all the time, which I manage in therapy

516
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: and with medication. But do you like, what kind of

517
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: parent are you like? Are you, you know, a worrier

518
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 4: or are you a send them off and hope for

519
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 4: the best.

520
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 1: Kind of both? I'm you know.

521
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: I have a child psychologist who I talk to who

522
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: helps me. I started to see a shrink shrink last summer.

523
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: And then around that time, I also started consulting with

524
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 2: a child psychologist and I was like, oh wait, all

525
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: of my Now, I know I have stuff that I

526
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 2: need to deal with personally. Yeah, but mainly I wound

527
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: up dumping my personal shrink and just talking to this

528
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: child psychologist because she was really she was guiding me

529
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: to parent.

530
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: Well.

531
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: She was giving me really good tools to I mean

532
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: all sorts. You know, my son was having impulse control problems,

533
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: just like you know, hitting and not, and she helped

534
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: me totally get that under control. All this stuff. So

535
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 2: that's the stuff I worry about at night. If I

536
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: picked up.

537
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: My kid from nursery school and they say, oh, he bit.

538
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: Someone, then I'm like, oh God, Like, how am I

539
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: going to get him to stop?

540
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: You know what is that? So that's it's really.

541
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: The behavioral stuff and the tools for making sure that

542
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: they're good citizens.

543
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: And know right from wrong and whatever. That's how I'm

544
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: getting guided.

545
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: I feel like if I didn't have that person, I

546
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 2: would be in much worse shape, and so would they.

547
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I feel the same way about my therapist

548
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: doing the work on me is making me a better parent.

549
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 4: And a while ago, my therapist said, be a good

550
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: enough mom. Don't put the pressure on yourself to be

551
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,239
Speaker 4: a perfect mom, because then your kid will not know

552
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: how to be imperfect. Your kid can't grow up thinking

553
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: my mom's perfect. She has all the answers, she could

554
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 4: solve every problem you can't, And don't model that because

555
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: your kid needs to know I'm going to make mistakes

556
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 4: and that's okay.

557
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: No. I often will think about myself freaking out about something,

558
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: and I'll go back to him the next day and say,

559
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: I want to apologize to you for something. I think

560
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: I maybe blew that out of proportion or I and

561
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: a lot of times he looks at me like I'm crazy,

562
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: or like what is this Now?

563
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: I kind of moved on from it, but it's good and.

564
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I think having for me

565
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: having kids laid in life.

566
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: Also, I'm I'm a lot older.

567
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 3: Than you, and you're not a lot older than me.

568
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: Okay, Well I'm older than you, okay.

569
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 2: And I do feel like I have a better sense

570
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: than a lot of younger parents about figuring out what

571
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna allow myself to be upset about. He doesn't

572
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: want to eat the dinner that we give him like

573
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: the food stuff, which can be such.

574
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,959
Speaker 3: A war, yeah, and stressful for parents.

575
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 2: And stressful for parents, I will bow out a lot

576
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 2: of times and be like, now, I won't give him crap.

577
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: But I will also say like, well, look, this is.

578
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: Your dinner, and if you don't want eat it, it

579
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: is totally cool.

580
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: Go play.

581
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: But in forty five minutes, when you're hungry and you

582
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: come back down. Not to be Joan Crawford, I'm gonna

583
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: make you eat the eat the meat that you didn't

584
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 2: need three knights.

585
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: In a row.

586
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: But I'm always like, this is your plate, and and

587
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times he does wind up coming.

588
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: Back to the plate. But I'm not gonna go nuts,

589
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: and uh.

590
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: I try to choose my battles, and there are many

591
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 2: battles that I do choose to fight well, and.

592
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: It's just you too, so you you know, you can't

593
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 4: even pass it off to somebody else.

594
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, So that's a lot, that's a lot

595
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 3: of pressure.

596
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: There are these books like your kid is four, your

597
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: kid is five, your kid is six, and then you.

598
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Can read like how They're gonna behave or whatever it.

599
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 2: Is, and these books I was reading the one I

600
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: mean the fours were.

601
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Just a nightmare for me, for Ben, for me and Ben.

602
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: And I was reading this book and it was literally

603
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: and it was so funny because I realized at a

604
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: few points this is outdated.

605
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: And I looked at it published in the eighties because.

606
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: By the way, they were saying, yeah, you know, you

607
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: can hit your kid every so basically.

608
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, wait a minute, and I

609
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: was like, I can. But one thing that it did say,

610
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: which I thought was interesting, about the food stuff.

611
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: They were like, you know what if you have a

612
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: babysitter around or someone else, have them feed your kid,

613
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: because they're more likely to accept food from someone else

614
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: than you.

615
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: They want to pick a fight with you.

616
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: I Willy, it is hard being a single parent because

617
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 2: you are like the good cop and the bad cop

618
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: all at once, always all at once, and I just

619
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: I just feel especially Ben sometimes looking.

620
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: At me, like, ah, just stay in fun mode, dude, Huh.

621
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: He must think I'm a psycho because I'm I am

622
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: so all over the map with him. Sometimes I'm just silly, silly,

623
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: play play. And then sometimes I'm like, you need to

624
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: do that.

625
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 4: If you could make the world better for your kids

626
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: in one way, magic wand.

627
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: What would you do.

628
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: Eradicate screens?

629
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 4: Oh uh huh? So like social media devices, tablets.

630
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: Media tablets even just I mean, I love TV. I'm worried.

631
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: I let him watch a bunch of Netflix like cartoon shows. Yeah,

632
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: over the last few years, and I and his eye

633
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: is already trained to like quick cuts and you know

634
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 2: they're not paced. And now in this summer he is

635
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: unfortunately having a major I'm like, you can watch as

636
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: much Snoopy as you want, uh huh, and you can

637
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: watch movies, but I don't want him watching short form

638
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: stuff anymore because I think it messes with their attentions. Man, yeah,

639
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: and so I think I think it would be that.

640
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, mine, I remember, just mine, just when when mine

641
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 4: discovered commercials, right, because you grew up watching Netflix and like,

642
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 4: you know, it's like, what is this, mom?

643
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: So the news?

644
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 4: The news is super triggering for me, which is awesome

645
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: given what I do for a living. How do you

646
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: deal with both you personally and as a parent, Like

647
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: what feels like a constant influx of bad news or

648
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 4: scary news or news that makes you mad or sad?

649
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: You know, I try to with I would say the

650
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: news before Biden dropped out. Frankly, I was just feeling

651
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: very hopeless and scared, and I was really in my

652
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: mind thinking, Okay, how are you going to get through this?

653
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: Like what?

654
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 2: And usually what I wind up doing in those situations

655
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: when things are so bleak is really just and that's

656
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 2: why I'm so glad I have a family on the

657
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: one hand, glad, but on the other hand, scared for them.

658
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 2: But just literally focus on local, meaning my home. Yeah,

659
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: now is everything in my home and let that's something

660
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: that I do have control over.

661
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's kind of how I deal with it.

662
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 4: I remember many years ago on OC Heather Dubro said

663
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: something like she had been traveling a lot or very stressed,

664
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 4: and she said, all I want to do is sit

665
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: on the floor with my kids. And that feeling as

666
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: a parent, of getting so local that you're literally on

667
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: your living room floor with your kids is like that

668
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 4: is the meditative you know, That's something I think we

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Speaker 4: all need as parents.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Do you ever caution back to Bravo?

672
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Speaker 4: Do you ever caution Bravo celebrities about how to deal

673
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Speaker 4: with being catapulted into the news and fame and all that.

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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I mean absolutely.

675
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 2: I used to much more when there were far less

676
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Speaker 2: housewives and it was all we were all kind of

677
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Speaker 2: going through it at the same time, and it.

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Speaker 1: Was a little club.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, I mean I always told them to

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Speaker 2: stay away from social media. I always told that, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of good pluck. I remember telling Chanel on

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Speaker 2: the night that Dubai premiered. I was like, look, don't

683
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Speaker 2: look on Twitter. I go, you're gonna look tonight and

684
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: they're all going to say, be talking about that, You're

685
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Speaker 2: the greatest thing ever.

686
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: I said it.

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00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: Next week you're gonna say one thing to piss them off,

688
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Speaker 2: and then they're all going to turn on you. So

689
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: it's just if you're gonna take it on, then you

690
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 2: have to take on the bad stuff too.

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Speaker 1: And it's just a lot people aren't prepared. No one's

692
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Speaker 1: prepared for it. I'm not prepared. No one's prepared for it.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard.

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Speaker 3: So New Jersey. New Jersey feels dark right now.

695
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Speaker 4: And I know there's a lot of time talk about it,

696
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 4: but like it's hard to watch. And I love all

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Speaker 4: those lates, well, I love most of those ladies. Any

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Speaker 4: plans to shake shake it up Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're figuring that out. I mean, that's it's going

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Speaker 2: to end, and we're going to take our sweet time. Yeah,

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00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 2: and we're gonna kind of study what we were going

702
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: to see if we can figure out what the viewers

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00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: want or what they're open to, and we're going to

704
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Speaker 2: figure out what we want and we're going to do

705
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Speaker 2: a lot of casting. And I think that there are

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Speaker 2: maybe three or four very clear options for how to

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Speaker 2: move forward.

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Speaker 4: Okay, speaking of taking your sweet time, why no Bravocon

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Speaker 4: this year, just want like time distance from last year.

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Speaker 1: It's not my decision.

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Speaker 2: First of all, after last year, I did go to

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Speaker 2: Francis Barrick and I said, look, just so you.

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Speaker 1: Know, my vote is you do it in a year

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Speaker 1: and a half because I just it takes so much

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Speaker 1: to plan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there are one hundred and sixty Bravo talent there,

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Speaker 2: and I believe also what we kind of came to

718
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Speaker 2: find out about Vegas was that the venue was only

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Speaker 2: available for us in September of this year.

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Speaker 1: So it would have been even sooner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, summers would have been messed up and we would

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Speaker 2: have been you.

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Speaker 1: Know, so I think it's good.

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Speaker 2: I think you know, just wait you don't want to

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Speaker 2: overdo something. And then also November it's an election. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, before we get to the lightning round, what's like,

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Speaker 4: what's next for you?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be like a network head? Do

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Speaker 3: you want to know?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to do?

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Speaker 1: You know you've done it all.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just very happy. What I want to do

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Speaker 2: is stay happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I'm offered all sorts.

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Speaker 2: Of things all the time, and I usually say no

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Speaker 2: unless it's something that I think that's really interesting. I

741
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Speaker 2: did a show on Peacock called X Rated right when

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Speaker 2: they lost Cock that was absolutely ridiculous, where like reverse

743
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Speaker 2: Love Connection where we have a single person and you

744
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 2: bring out all of their exes and I interview the

745
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Speaker 2: exes about how.

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Speaker 1: They were in bed and how they.

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Speaker 2: Are as a boyfriend or girlfriend, and I just was like,

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Speaker 2: in my mind, by the way, I just thought.

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Speaker 1: How can this show not be a hit? Now? It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a.

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Speaker 2: Hit, but I thought I believed in it. So usually

752
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Speaker 2: if it's something that I believe in.

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Speaker 1: Or I think I'll have fun, yeah I do it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, we're gonna do some quick fire questions here, great.

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00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 4: You get asked this a lot, who's your favorite housewife?

756
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 4: But like from a producer's standpoint, who makes like the

757
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 4: best TV?

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00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: Look?

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at I don't have a favorite,

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Speaker 2: but I think if you look at someone like Shannon

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Speaker 2: Badoor camera even who's someone who's been through so much

762
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 2: and it's all played out on camera, they're not trying

763
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Speaker 2: to hide anything. It's like you know, leu Anne is

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Speaker 2: a good one too. I mean, look at the arc

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Speaker 2: of everything that happened to her.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I always use the Shannon example because like her

767
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 4: or not, whatever you think of her, she has given

768
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Speaker 4: so much of herself to this show and to us.

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Speaker 7: She is emotionally available to the camera, you know, and

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Speaker 7: I think everything she went through over the years was

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Speaker 7: not fun for her, right like this, you would want

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Speaker 7: I would I would want to hide going through all

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Speaker 7: of these things.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, she is she is a gift. She is

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Speaker 3: a gift to housewives. Okay, other than the job you

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Speaker 3: currently have, what's another thing that you're.

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00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 1: So good at?

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00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 4: You could do a profession, even if that's not a

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Speaker 4: real job. Like for me, I would be a professional

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00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: Bravo watcher. I'm the best at watching Bravo.

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00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: I would be a shrink or a couple's therapist.

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00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I like that. Okay, and that is a

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Speaker 3: real job.

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00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: What is the best movie about TV or the news?

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Speaker 6: Wow?

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00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a huge soap dish fan. Huh. It's

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00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: a brilliant take on the soap opera.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't.

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00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: You can't guess her why because she's your niece. No

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00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: you netlet because she's my daughter.

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00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: And your daughter?

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00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 2: What? Yeah, I love soap Dish. I just think it's brilliant.

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Speaker 3: It's a good one. Broadcast news was the right answer,

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Speaker 3: but I'll accept you.

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00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say broadcast news.

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00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 2: But I think broadcast news is now so outdated. What

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Speaker 2: the whole crux of the issue is that they put

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Speaker 2: a cutaway in of him and he may be marrying up.

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00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, that's the least of the problems

801
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 2: going on in the news business now.

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00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: I mean, but she was outraged, outraged they broke up

803
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Speaker 4: because of it.

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Speaker 1: It was a great movie, but it is intensely out

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Speaker 1: of date.

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00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 4: Now, you shut your mouth when you're talking about broadcast news. Okay,

807
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 4: Dream Housewife, and were you going after Ilaria?

808
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: Ilaria Alaria expressed some interest in being on The New

809
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:45,879
Speaker 2: York Housewives, and we there were conversations between casting and her.

810
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: And Dream Housewife.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think Chrissy Teagan would be amazing. Oh

812
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 2: so fun He's so funny. I think she's aspirational, She's beautiful,

813
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: her life is amazing.

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00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's also like goofy and relatable, So goofy.

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Speaker 1: She also has a lot of drama going on. It

816
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: feels like, yeah.

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00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: Okay, good, I like that. Would you ever move back

818
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 3: to the loo with your kiddos?

819
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: No? But I love Saint Louis.

820
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 3: Okay, what BRA celebrities should run for office?

821
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: Uh?

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00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: I mean Whendyosepho jumped to my mind just because she's

823
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: in that universe and she's so smart.

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00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, we're friends. I love her. I feel like

825
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 3: Captain Sandy could run some ship.

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00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: Captain Sandy could run some ship.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, okay, last question, who would play you in

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Speaker 4: a biopic?

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00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so good.

831
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's so good.

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00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: Have you thought of this?

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00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 6: Well?

834
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Speaker 1: I have, and his wife.

835
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Speaker 2: The way I thought of it is his wife I

836
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: met on the street, met years ago and I now

837
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Speaker 2: actually know her.

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Speaker 1: But she came up to me and she.

839
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Speaker 2: Goes, Mark is your doppelganger, and I was like, wow,

840
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 2: I've never thought of that, and it actually we are

841
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: in the same ballpark.

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00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: There's another one, Darren Chris could as well.

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00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, right, so we've got a younger Andy and

844
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Speaker 4: an age appropriate Andy.

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, Oh, Mark Ruffalo, that's so good. I didn't

847
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: think of that. When this is a very serious question.

848
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 4: When is iced coffee season?

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00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's interesting, I think it is. I

850
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: think ice coffee season is in the.

851
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 2: Summer, but there are many people who would say it's

852
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: all year long.

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00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 3: Yes, that is the correct answer. It's year round.

854
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: I drink here. I'm a tea drinker, so that's my jam.

855
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 2: And if I and there was a time that I

856
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: was addicted to coffee and ice coffee and I drank

857
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Speaker 2: it all.

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00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: Year round, and I would now if I could.

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00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's year round. That's the only correct answer. Okay.

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00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 3: Well this was so fun and truly you're not gonna.

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Speaker 4: Believe me, but like a real highlight of my interviewing career.

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00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: Thank you. That is so nice of you, and.

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00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: Thank you for all you do for America. Truly, truly, you've.

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00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 4: Saved You've saved my life many times. Andy Cohen, Thanks,

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Speaker 4: thank you.

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Speaker 2: I'll see around, I hope next week.

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Speaker 3: On Off the Cup, comedian Brad Garrett.

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Speaker 2: You know Ray and I worked together for a while

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Speaker 2: and he would say, why can't you sit down for

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Speaker 2: five minutes and right?

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Speaker 4: editing and sound designed by Derek Clements.

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