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Speaker 1: On this episode of News World, we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: any state level in the country. And I'm totally intrigued

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Speaker 1: really delighted to welcome my guest leader, Rob Bart. He's

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Speaker 1: the minority leader from the New York State Senate, and

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Speaker 1: he's going to share with us what's happening in New

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Speaker 1: and some of the truly amazing things that are in it,

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Speaker 1: which is why I was so eager to get Rob

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Speaker 1: and he really understands the stuff. First, let me to

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Speaker 1: say thank you for being involved and for being willing

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Speaker 1: to talk with us today. Mister speaker, thank you for

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Speaker 1: having me. Great to hear from you. Well, it's all fascinating,

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Speaker 1: as you know. So I want to start with the

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Speaker 1: budget process, which, as I understand, it was essentially secret.

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Speaker 1: That is, the Democrats got together, closed the door and

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Speaker 1: negotiated among themselves. How was it negotiated? The budget here

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Speaker 1: never been a very transparent process in my time here,

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Speaker 1: but this year was particularly i think egregious and secret.

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Speaker 1: You know, with COVID, the governor has locked the Capitol down,

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Speaker 1: so no one is able to get in or out

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Speaker 1: Normally this place is teaming with folks. None of that

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Speaker 1: of course they used COVID as sort of the guys

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Speaker 1: the governor's multiple investigations, and as you probably are aware

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Speaker 1: press conferences recently without the press. And so they all

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Speaker 1: and that's on top of the twelve point six billion

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Speaker 1: We're spending twice as much an undocumented non US citizens,

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Speaker 1: then we are spending on small business relief in the

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Speaker 1: And we're spending four hundred times as much on non

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Speaker 1: Just to put that in perspective, that was the priority

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Speaker 1: in this budget, raising taxes, giving out benefits for illegal

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Speaker 1: and that are up. And I could go on and on,

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Speaker 1: but explain something to me as an outsider. What drives

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Speaker 1: The underlying drive, at least from my perspective and having

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Speaker 1: They believe they are their voters. This is a political

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Speaker 1: So what do we do? Well? We do other things

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Speaker 1: that sort of confer de facto citizenship. We granted driver's

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Speaker 1: So it's clear what they're trying to do. They're happy

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Speaker 1: And really, what's happening to me in New York State,

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Speaker 1: in this budget. So it's almost like if you do

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Speaker 1: create a better state. The politicians are transferring money to you,

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Speaker 1: no question. This is wealth redistribution in its purest form.

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Speaker 1: And is that because the Democratic Party in New York

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Speaker 1: where I represent My district is far more not only

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Speaker 1: geographically but culturally politically, is far more similar to Ohio

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Speaker 1: they wanted seven billion in new taxes. They were unhappy

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Speaker 1: I think the AOC election, the Bernie Sanders presidential election

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Speaker 1: but it has had a significant impact on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: You're bigger than Texas and Florida combined in terms of

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Speaker 1: your state budget. That's correct. We have a two hundred

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Speaker 1: I noticed that the Fiscal Policy Institute estimated that under

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Speaker 1: they're here, they want them in New York City. This

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Speaker 1: but it's a transfer of demographics. You know, they want

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Speaker 1: And that is viewed I guess as a net positive.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's just politics or there's some larger rationelle behind that,

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Speaker 1: but basically, what you're doing in a lot of cases,

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Speaker 1: let's just be honest, you're incentivizing folks who are coming

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Speaker 1: to need more public tax dollars. That's why, even though

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Speaker 1: some sort of public assistance. That's not a sustainable model.

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Speaker 1: You know that as well as anybody, and yet we

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Speaker 1: continue to double down on policies that will grow that percentage,

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Speaker 1: saving treatment for those receiving mental health services and crucial

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