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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: You were talking about I guess, sort of behind the

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Speaker 2: wall in the former Soviet Union in your capacity as

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Speaker 2: a CIA field officer, you had this moment as as

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Speaker 2: a Christian. You mentioned you'd sort of been backsliding in

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Speaker 2: your faith for five years because you had gone quote

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Speaker 2: unquote native and a woman I guess who was sort

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Speaker 2: of proselytizing on the street there asked you, you know,

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Speaker 2: have you do you know Jesus Christ? And you pushed

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Speaker 2: her aside, and that was kind of obviously a profound moment.

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Speaker 2: You realized how far you had backslid in your faith.

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Speaker 2: So you went back I guess, to the office thinking

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Speaker 2: that you were going to resign right there, and then

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Speaker 2: what happened.

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Speaker 3: No, obviously, my career trajectory was looking really, really good

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Speaker 3: because of some of the intelligence that I had gathered,

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Speaker 3: and I was offered a full time position out in

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Speaker 3: the field as a case officer in the stations. And

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Speaker 3: when I was called by the division chief and offered

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Speaker 3: that in his worst honor, I had to tell him,

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Speaker 3: you know, listen, I can't do this for the rest

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Speaker 3: of my life. It just it just kind of violates

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Speaker 3: my own principles because what I've seen was the belly

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Speaker 3: of the beast. It was dirty, it was ugly, it

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Speaker 3: was immoral. And I'm not saying that all case officers

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Speaker 3: are bad. I worked with a couple of real heroes,

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Speaker 3: one in particular that that I just admired, and and

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Speaker 3: and probably one chief of station that was that was

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Speaker 3: really worth working for. I also worked with him for

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Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of snakes. Excuse me, and

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Speaker 3: I'll cover later my wake up moment and when the

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Speaker 3: CI began to target me for what I uncovered. But

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Speaker 3: based on what I just heard on your break, there

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Speaker 3: a story that I'd never revealed publicly before. When the

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Speaker 3: CI targeted me and put me on that secret base

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Speaker 3: in the US or the agency had buried a lot

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Speaker 3: of it's things that wanted to forget, chemical weapons, assassination pistols,

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Speaker 3: high caliber weapons, and a bunch of things from COVID operations.

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Speaker 3: My family was poisoned, which we may get into later.

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Speaker 3: But one thing I've never talked about is I was

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Speaker 3: the XO on that base, appointed there basically on purpose,

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Speaker 3: and that may be in charge of the security guards

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Speaker 3: and So after really supporting them because they were considered

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Speaker 3: second class citizens biology people who thought they were above them,

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Speaker 3: I support them, got them training, told them how important

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Speaker 3: their job it was, which, of course it was. So

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Speaker 3: they started to trust me and confide to me about

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Speaker 3: certain things. One afternoon, Jesse, a security guard and the

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Speaker 3: command post, called me and he goes, mister ship, can

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Speaker 3: I talk to you confidentially please? I said, sure, I'll

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Speaker 3: come on over. So I went to the command post

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Speaker 3: and said, listen, I don't know what this means, but

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Speaker 3: I want to tell you several of us on the

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Speaker 3: security guard staff, I have seen something that is really

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Speaker 3: terrifying us. I said, uh, what is that? He goes,

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Speaker 3: It's it's a figure with with it's got like a

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Speaker 3: a lot about that and what the goat had similar

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Speaker 3: Jesse didn't. I said, listen, why don't you draw a

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Speaker 3: Jesse dropped his sketch off and sure enough, it was

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Speaker 3: Satan and demons, a lot much of it down in

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Speaker 3: witnessed and described the exact same thing that Jesse had said.

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Speaker 3: That they had seen this, this dark figure with a

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Speaker 3: the daylights out of him, and they didn't know who

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Speaker 3: so Jesse was kind to their point. Man. So I

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Speaker 3: took note of this and understanding that there is a

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Speaker 3: So one evening, my son Joel had a friend named

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Speaker 3: Adam over to stay with us on the base, and

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Speaker 3: and about half hour later, out here that's screaming, and

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Speaker 3: going on? He goes, you was what we just saw?

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Speaker 3: I said, what did you just see? We saw this figure?

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Speaker 3: It had like a live goats head on it, and

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Speaker 3: said really, I said yeah, and Adam was up and

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Speaker 3: out of there. The next morning he was visibly shaking, shaking.

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Speaker 3: So I started realizing that there have been several sightings

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Speaker 3: of this thing on this base, which just kind of

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Speaker 3: added to the darkness of that place. Something something really evil.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea we were going to I had

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Speaker 2: no idea where were going to go there, Kevin, but

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Speaker 2: this is fascinating. Let me just ask you then straight out,

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Speaker 2: because you know, there have been claims that there are,

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Speaker 2: you know, within certain let's say, enclaves of certain organizations

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Speaker 2: in government, there are occultists and Satanists. I mean, did

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Speaker 2: you ever uncover I don't know, a nest of Satanists

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Speaker 2: within the CIA.

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Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. I was a team leader

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Speaker 3: on an operation down in South America. Of course, I

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Speaker 3: can't say, where as a team leader, the first thing

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Speaker 3: you did was go meet with the chief of station,

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Speaker 3: and he gives you his orders, his orders regarding what

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Speaker 3: the operation is going to be or should be. So

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Speaker 3: I go down his office was down in the basement

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Speaker 3: and the lights are low, and he's got one of

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Speaker 3: those green library lights on his desk and the lights

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Speaker 3: are down and he's looking kind of sinister. And I

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Speaker 3: go sitting in a chair and I said, yes, sir,

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to meet with you first, and you

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Speaker 3: give Gihim any guidance that I need. It looks over

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Speaker 3: his desk at me, and he goes, let's get something

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Speaker 3: straight from the beginning, Kevin, I will sell my soul

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Speaker 3: to the devil for intel. You got that? And I said, well,

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Speaker 3: I got it. I remember thinking that maybe you, buddy,

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Speaker 3: but it's not me. It was just weird and sinister.

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Speaker 3: And then he said that will be all. I got

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Speaker 3: up and left and thinking my gosh, where did that

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Speaker 3: come from. You have to understand it. At the upper

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Speaker 3: several chief of stations, these people are narcissists. There some

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Speaker 3: of them are psychopaths, they're atheists, they have no morals.

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Speaker 3: And some of them are just mentally sick people. And

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Speaker 3: And this was so strange because it because it matched

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Speaker 3: what happened to us on this base and how we

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Speaker 3: in the in the midst of these sightings. I just

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Speaker 3: wanted to bring that in. I've never talked about that before.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time, but I think it's kind

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Speaker 3: of relevant to to the darkness of that of that

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Speaker 3: secret place. Secrets is usually is rarely is it ever

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Speaker 3: good anyway, But uh, that's that's what happened on that base.

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Speaker 3: My defining moment, however, was I I was a loyal, dedicated,

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Speaker 3: like all the other officers. You know, there's a good

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Speaker 3: eighty percent of CI employees are good, patriotic people that

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Speaker 3: are just doing their job. And logistics and the secretaries

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Speaker 3: Even Mike Pompeo said this when he came out, the

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Speaker 3: upper twenty percent of the CIA do not believe in

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Speaker 3: having been on the seventh floor, these people are psychopathic

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Speaker 3: narcissists who believe the CIA is their life's mission, its expansion,

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Speaker 3: and its protection. And that's how dark it is at

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Speaker 3: the top, with some operations, bloody ones known only in

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Speaker 3: one case to five people up on the seventh floor.

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Speaker 3: So it's a very dark place. I was doing an investment.

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Speaker 2: Why did they come after you? Why did they come

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Speaker 3: Kevin Well, Yes, this is what happened. I was doing

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Speaker 3: an investigation. I was tasked with an investigation when I

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Speaker 3: And as I was looking at that, I started to

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Speaker 3: by extension, the assets that they recruited, and at first

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Speaker 3: I was a little shocked. The more I dug, the

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Speaker 3: worse it got. And it was pretty apparent that in

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Speaker 3: the VISA section, a foreign intelligence service TERIFFT organization whoever

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Speaker 3: Covers fifteen and is that? So? Answered, and I said, listen,

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Speaker 3: I sent it by an internal CIA mail which is tracked,

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Speaker 3: was what report? I said, the report I sent you

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Speaker 3: through internal mail? That report? She goes, I don't remember

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Speaker 3: receiving any report. They did it a second time, calls

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Speaker 3: her again, did you get the report? No, we still

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Speaker 3: this exo across her desk and said, ma'am, this is

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Speaker 3: she bristled and said okay. I said, your chief really

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Speaker 3: I can do. I gave her a week, called back

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Speaker 3: and said, man, did did the chief get a chance

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Speaker 3: to look at this document? To my shock, she said

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Speaker 3: what document? I said, man, the document I personally handed

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Speaker 3: and it had been erased from the CIA server. Then

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Speaker 3: I get you this menacing phone call from the division

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Speaker 3: I am ordering you right now to drop this investigation permanently.

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Speaker 3: Do you understand me? I said, this could be the

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Speaker 3: three months later, sure enough, the secure line rang picked

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Speaker 3: We have a meeting this Friday at Department of State,

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Speaker 3: And I said, of course, yes, I'll be there. So

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