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Speaker 1: Old front of the Armstrong and Getty Show.

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Speaker 2: Gary Dietrich, CBS News political analyst, Gary, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jack.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, my friend, it's been decades we've

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Speaker 3: known each other. But I don't think this whole secret

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Speaker 3: is slipped out on air. I am an eagle scout.

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Speaker 2: Oh are you cool? That doesn't surprise me. You seem

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Speaker 2: like the kind of guy that would be an eagle scout.

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Speaker 3: Good for you, Well, that's very kind of you, and

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Speaker 3: I catch every once in a while. You mentioned your son,

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Speaker 3: Henry and scouting, and you've been singing the praise of scouting.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: My scouting experience was absolutely awesome. I highly recommend it

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Speaker 3: to everybody. But I'm saying this particularly this morning, Jack,

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Speaker 3: because I heard in your lead in segment to this

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Speaker 3: that you're going to be out in the wilderness somewhere

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Speaker 3: and I just wanted to offer if you have self

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Speaker 3: service and get desperate, hide in the tent, text Gary

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Speaker 3: and say what do I do? Now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'll keep that in mind. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Hey. One thing, though, I won't be available for bear removal.

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Speaker 1: So that's that. So did you ever meet Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: I did not meet Charlie. It's just kind of one

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Speaker 3: of those things. For some reason, his path and mind

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Speaker 3: never crossed. But you know, I don't I don't know

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Speaker 3: exactly what to say.

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Speaker 2: Well, speak to is because I know you know about this.

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Speaker 2: Speak to his impact with voting for young people across

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Speaker 2: the country.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's you know, Jack, It's nearly impossible to overstate.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the reality is this if you look at

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Speaker 3: all the studies that have been done over the last

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Speaker 3: decade too, including I'm not going to mention it at

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Speaker 3: a place that has an institute for Youth, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: involvement that the involvement of youth, especially their voting rates

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Speaker 3: and you know this, Jack, have been on the decline substantially,

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Speaker 3: and people had thought this was inexorable. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is just sort of out, what are we going to

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Speaker 3: do now? You know, our kids are never going to

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Speaker 3: be part of democracy. What Charlie Kirk, I won't say

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Speaker 3: single handedly, but certainly as part of the MAGA movement,

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Speaker 3: as you know, really earned this around. And so of course,

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Speaker 3: now if you look at the major demographic groups that

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Speaker 3: many people attribute to Trump's win and Harris's loss last fall.

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Speaker 3: One of them was the youth vote, more specifically young males,

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Speaker 3: which of course is basically the target audience for much

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Speaker 3: of Turning Points efforts.

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Speaker 2: And do you think without him, because he was a

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Speaker 2: unique character with a hell of a big brain, do

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Speaker 2: you think without him they can continue their trajectory?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's of course the gigantic question. I mean, whenever

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Speaker 3: you lose a founder, not just you know, a major spokesperson,

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Speaker 3: it's tough. I mean it's tough in anything, and business

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Speaker 3: endeavors anything else, but especially tough in politics because so

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Speaker 3: much of politics, as you know, Jack, is personality and

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Speaker 3: capability driven. I mean, just go down lists of people

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Speaker 3: that we know actually change trajectories of politics. Ronald Reagan's

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Speaker 3: a good example, Barack Obama. You know, even JFK and

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Speaker 3: those in many people's minds are sort of singular individuals.

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Speaker 3: They're unique, at least to their generations. So I know,

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Speaker 3: the Turning Point folks are ramping things up. I know

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Speaker 3: there's already been significant donations to assist in that. I

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Speaker 3: know there's already been reportedly many many requests for new

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Speaker 3: Turning Point chapters on college campuses and even high school campuses.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see.

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Speaker 2: So I'll lay it out this way. So the Wall

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Speaker 2: Street Journal had an article the other day. One of

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Speaker 2: their opinion guys thought, that Prop fifty in California going down.

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Speaker 2: That's Gavin Newsom's effort to match Texas's redistricting.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're gonna fight.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna fight their dirty tricks with our dirty tricks

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Speaker 2: going to redistrict in California. And the Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 2: opinion guy thought, that's gonna go down and it's gonna

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Speaker 2: doom Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's one topic.

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Speaker 2: The other is I remember asking you about it a

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Speaker 2: polling on how like two thirds of Californians are a

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Speaker 2: no on it, sixty percent Democrats were know on it.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, Gary, we had.

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Speaker 2: Lana hee Chen on it, and he thinks it's going

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Speaker 2: to be close, because he says, by the time we

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Speaker 2: get elect to election day, they're going to have successfully

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Speaker 2: turned it into a are you for Trump or against him?

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Speaker 2: It'll be a yes or no on Trump as opposed

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Speaker 1: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, this break goes out real quick, Jack, A

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Speaker 3: couple of things. First off, let's take that last one

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Speaker 3: Yes on fifty and Gavin Newsoen made that clear at

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Speaker 3: the very beginning. They now have a running commercials in

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Speaker 3: California with Senator Elizabeth Warren. In the first ten seconds

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Speaker 3: she makes that point very clear. So because of Trump's

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Speaker 3: and he's underwater poling here, no surprise to people. That's

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Speaker 3: why that messaging is been front and center for the

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Speaker 3: nission campaign, countering that people like Arnold Schwarzenegger, who the

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Speaker 3: our independent Citizens Commission was put into place, and he

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Speaker 3: is saying, no, this is an assault on democracy. We

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Speaker 3: can't set aside democracy for three election cycles and then

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Speaker 3: bring it back. And also his other big line and

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Speaker 3: he spoke on Monday about this, was hey, listen, if

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Speaker 3: we start acting like Trump, we're going to become Trump.

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Speaker 3: So let's see who wins the day on that messaging.

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Speaker 3: But that's kind of the key one thing about that

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Speaker 3: polling you mentioned, Jack, this is key the numbers you're

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Speaker 3: talking about seventy percent of California's support the Independent Citizens Commission,

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Speaker 3: including as you well note, a big majority of Democrats.

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Speaker 3: That's different from this particular ballot, and so we're trying

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Speaker 3: access or somebody who reported political said, oh, we're ahead

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Speaker 3: by ten. You know, points I never take politically. I

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Speaker 3: mean internal poll seriously, because when have you ever heard

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Speaker 3: an internal poll that was bad for their guide released?

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Speaker 1: Right? Right?

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Speaker 3: Doesn't happen. But there was a poll said forty eight

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Speaker 3: percent of California's currently supported it. But that's not a

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Speaker 3: great number. When you are working on propositions in a

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Speaker 2: Then how about the if it goes down, it will

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Speaker 2: really damage Gavin Newsom nationally.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's no question that you know right now, this

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Speaker 3: it fails, there will certainly be a spin of well,

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Speaker 3: we see there were so many MAGA dollars spend against it.

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Speaker 3: I mean that whole line of thinking, and he certainly

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Speaker 2: Back to the hot topic of the country, political violence.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about our trajectory on that. Did

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Speaker 2: we reach a point where it got everybody's attention where

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Speaker 2: we think, wow, we've gone too far. We need to

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Speaker 2: the tit for tat both sides believing the other side

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know me, Jack, I would certainly certainly hope

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Speaker 3: it's the latter. I mean, it was a sad week

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Speaker 3: nobody should be killed over their politics. I mean, I

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Speaker 3: needs to be the unified message now being you know,

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Speaker 3: looking into the crystal ball. Where is this going? I

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Speaker 3: I tend to want to be pretty optimistic about things,

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Speaker 3: not naive, but optimistic. So I would hope there is

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that have questions about whether

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Speaker 3: that's actually where we're headed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that whatever the percentage is of people that

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Speaker 2: on social media, they sure control a lot of the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well you are you have hit that dead set.

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Speaker 3: I mean, and I think this is a challenge. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the person whose mouth this came out of Richard Nixon.

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Speaker 3: You know, many people have question much about politically, but

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Speaker 3: the silent majority. That was what he kept talking about.

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Speaker 3: I'm more but the silent majority, you would say, And

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Speaker 3: I do think there is a resonance in that verbiage

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Speaker 3: never ever, as you know, go on social media. They

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Speaker 3: what gets reported is so many people on social media

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Speaker 3: are saying, well, it's sort of like, you know, the

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Speaker 3: old verbage about talk radio. Less than one percent of

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Speaker 3: radio program, and yet people say, well, listen, everybody's saying this. Well, no,

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Speaker 3: everybody may not be saying.

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Speaker 1: That good point.

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Speaker 2: It's exactly the same as talk radio callers back in

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Speaker 2: the day when that really mattered.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. So it's amazing that I like you.

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Speaker 2: You're a good guy, but you're you're an eagle scout,

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Speaker 2: you went to Harvard, and you're handsome. It's really easy

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Speaker 3: Well, listen, you know, you know, I've got plenty of

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Speaker 3: it's not all. Let others decide that, and you can

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Speaker 3: get flooded with emails. You get flooded with emails and

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Speaker 3: texts and say I hate for these six reasons, and

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Speaker 3: then you can share that with me. But but I

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Speaker 3: know it can't be Kansas because we share that deep

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Speaker 3: in our hearts as well. I don't know, but I'm

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Speaker 3: sure there's all kinds of things. Let's see. I can't say,

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Speaker 3: like George Bressenior, I hate Brocoln because Brockley's kind of okay,

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Speaker 3: But maybe it's I am a Disneyland fan. Now that's

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Speaker 3: going to really infuriate half your audience, that.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: Okay, No, no, only because my kids and I I

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Speaker 3: never told you guys this. I never told you guys.

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Speaker 3: Just you know the old Super Bowl added you know,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, I'm going to Disneyland, no joke. My

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Speaker 3: cycle because they were so onerous, so all consuming. I say,

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Speaker 2: in a rumble. Then that's perfectly good. CBS News political

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Speaker 2: analyst Gary Dietrich, appreciate your time today. Okay, buddy, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I like him. Gary's a good dude. Armstrong and Getty