1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,279 Speaker 1: One of the most profound problems that's taking place around 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: the world is the assault on women. And this assault 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: on women that's taking place is completely preventable if certain municipalities, states, 4 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: or governments decide that they have a desire and a 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: willingness to protect their female population. The problem is is 6 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: we're seeing politics in play to protect a certain class 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: of people or certain group of people from having to 8 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: face the reality of justice, in order to amplify certain 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: untruths about the conditions of their streets. Well, today, I'm 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: honored in privileged to welcome Anna Geirtelly, who's a reporter 11 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: with the DC Examiner who recently published an incredible piece 12 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: about her own personal story with abuse and assault, as 13 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: well as the ramifications of what's taking place within the 14 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: negligence from the local municipalities in Washington in DC. So, 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: without further ado, Anna, welcome to the show. 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: David, thank you so much for having me. 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: So, if you could, could you just explain to our 18 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: audience what the piece was about and what your intention 19 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: was in telling this story. 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, it was my decision to come out and 21 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 2: speak publicly as a sexual assault victim. Five years ago. 22 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 2: I was assaulted in daylight in the street outside Union Station, 23 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 2: which is a public transportation hub a couple of blocks 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 2: from the US Capital. I've been running to the post 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: office when I was attacked randomly, and so this was 26 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: my decision in light of what President Trump was doing 27 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: to crack down on crime and DC. He gave a 28 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: speech two weeks ago, three weeks ago that was very 29 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: emotional for me to see as a victim and see 30 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: someone for the first time taking crime and DC really seriously. 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: And so I decided after that speech that this was 32 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: the time for me to speak out. I've been writing 33 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: a book for the last year, and the op ed 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,919 Speaker 2: explained that there's two things I experienced as a victim 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,360 Speaker 2: of crime in DC that I think need to be 36 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 2: addressed by the administration. One, my attacker, who had a 37 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 2: criminal record, was arrested several months after my attack, and 38 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: then he went on to be released the following day, 39 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 2: then arrested five additional more times additional times and released 40 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: the following day after each arrest. So that was one issue. 41 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 2: The other was, even though he ended up going to 42 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: federal prison for what he did to me, he is 43 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 2: not counted in the DC Police Department's crime stats. So 44 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: you go online, you look at their public facing website 45 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: under sex abuse, which is what he was charged with. 46 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: Because it was not a top tier sex crime, it 47 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: was not a rape or attempted rape that we know of, 48 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: it was, it is not counted in there. And so 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,960 Speaker 2: those two things, I thought, how can you understand, you know, 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: the scope of crime in DC. If a victims people, 51 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you went to federal prison. You know, this 52 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: wasn't a slap on the wrist, are not included in that. 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: And so that's what led me to speak out and 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 2: share what I've experienced when others are experiencing as problems 55 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 2: within the criminal justice system. 56 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: I commend you on your courage. There's there's nothing more 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: difficult one to expose yourself publicly in a way of 58 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: the most traumatic events of your life. You know, it's 59 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: it's incredibly difficult to do that right for a whole 60 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: slew of reasons. You know, Can you just describe a 61 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: little bit of the frustration that you felt over the 62 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: years watching you know, the system fail you? Because my 63 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: favorite part in the article not my favorite, I'm sorry, 64 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't Noah, you're but but but the part that really, 65 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, just jumped out at me, was that the DC, 66 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, justice system was so fixated on prosecuting January 67 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: six offenders to the tune of what and it was 68 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: something at one point it was eighteen hundred people that 69 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: they didn't have time to prosecute, you know, and a 70 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: majority of those were misdemeanor offensive of you know, entering 71 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: a building or disrupting a government whatever. But here you 72 00:04:26,480 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: have a felony offense against you, and they just they 73 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: couldn't do it. They couldn't get this guy off the street. 74 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: And then the other one that was shocking to me 75 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: is they actually told you we're doing it because our 76 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: prison systems or our confinement systems are overcrowded. Can you 77 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: just describe a little bit of that emotional battle you 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: went through, processing the neglect that the Justice Department was 79 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: supposed to give you. 80 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think part of the reason I didn't 81 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: speak out for years was I didn't understand how bad 82 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 2: what happened to me was not the physical crime. I 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 2: grasped that, but the cover up and the delay and 84 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: justice and all these things. You just feel like you're 85 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: not right in your mind. After you've been through a 86 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: trauma and it's not the next day, it's not weeks months. 87 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: I mean, for me, it's taken years to really I 88 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: think be over it in a very big way. But 89 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: but yeah, on the first thing, will you remind me 90 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: of the first one again. 91 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was about the Let's start with the fact 92 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: that they told you that the jails were overcrowded. 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: Let's start with that one. 94 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 2: So after the attack that day he got away, the 95 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 2: police arrived. I told them what he did to me, 96 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: and they brought in the Sex Crime department, brought detective 97 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: and a dog and they couldn't catch him, but they 98 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 2: did get my clothes and were able to get his 99 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: DNA off my clothes, and so they determined two months later, 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: it takes a while to get DNA evidence back that 101 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: he was a match. They had his DNA in the system, 102 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: so he'd previously been arrested in DC and so it 103 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: was about a month after that they let me know 104 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: we've arrested him. He lives pretty close to your apartment 105 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: building on Second Street Northeast, and he's homeless. He lives 106 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: in a tunnel, and the judge decided to let him 107 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 2: go the following day. And so yeah, that was like 108 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: I said, you're not in your right mind. This is 109 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 2: This is a couple months after the attack, so this 110 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: is I was. I had moved out of state at 111 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: that point, temporarily. I'd gone to see my parents. I 112 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 2: was trying to work. So when people see like, oh, 113 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: but you were working a little bit, I was drugged up. 114 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: I was drugged absolutely. 115 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: Trying to stay normal, also going through a global crisis 116 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: that in DC felt it felt a little apocalyptic. 117 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 3: Oh of course. 118 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean I had so many friends from church who 119 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 2: wanted to come around me and help, but people in 120 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: d C would not come outside and see you. So 121 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 2: despite what I've been through. So anyway, so I left 122 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 2: and it just you know, hearing what what happened with 123 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 2: him being released, it just was like, well, I'm not 124 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 2: going back to d C tomorrow or next week. They're 125 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: not holding him. So it was just like, I'll stay 126 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: here for a few months out of state, and then 127 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: you know, when I get strong enough go back to 128 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: d C and face that. 129 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Can you I and a story you talk about a 130 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: Construction World worker that came to your your your aid. 131 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about that guy and 132 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: that experience and in the effect that Are you still 133 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: in contact with him or are you, you know, just 134 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about him. 135 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I actually haven't talked to him since the 136 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: day after the attack. His name was Donnie. And during 137 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: the attack, I was screaming at the top of my lungs. 138 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: The man who attacked me was also screaming at the 139 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 2: top of his lungs. I don't know why he was screaming. 140 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: They're trying to kill me, So I think between the 141 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: two of us, obviously we got a lot of attention. 142 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: People ran over and did respond. It took a little 143 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: bit of time to sort of figure out what's happening here. 144 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 2: But one of the first people who arrived was a 145 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 2: construction worker and the day after the attack, this attack 146 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: happened to block from where I lived. The day after 147 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: the attack, I walked that block to the construction side 148 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: across the street where Donnie had run from, and I asked, 149 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 2: there was a man working here yesterday holding a sign. 150 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: He looked like this. You know, he came over and 151 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 2: helped me when I was being attacked, and they brought 152 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: him over and I got to thank him for that. 153 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: And I know he was called before the grand jury 154 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: to testify but I didn't get to see him that 155 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: day a year and a half later. But I mean, 156 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: it was other people who saved me. And I think 157 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: of the situations you see where people try to help 158 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: someone else getting attacked in public and they get prosecuted, 159 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: and all the time, I thank God that this man. 160 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I would assume because I'm a woman, someone 161 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: sees a woman being attacked clabbered by this massive guy. 162 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: They might not even have see me because this guy 163 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 2: was so big and just taking me down. But people 164 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: came to help, and in this day and age, that 165 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: that might have been the difference between you know, a 166 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: worser crime or maybe death. 167 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, you know, I think I always, you know, 168 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: after spending fifteen years of carrying a gun for a 169 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: living and all the trauma from that, and then all 170 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: you know, the ramifications of all those experiences, not only 171 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: with me but my friends and processing their trauma. You know, 172 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: it's really just this, you know, you always try and 173 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: find those little pieces that can bring the humanity back 174 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: to the experience, right that you're like, Okay, there is 175 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: some goodness in the world, and there is some people 176 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: out there that do possess that what is it that 177 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: righteousness to persevere in those those extreme situations? Unfortunately, you 178 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: know that, I mean so many of that. You hear 179 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: just thousands of accounts in these big cities where people 180 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: just walk by and they don't even react. So, you know, 181 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: thank God for him and the other people that reacted 182 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: for you. 183 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 184 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: But the other problem I think where then it really 185 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: kind of got out of control, is you know, do 186 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 1: you who was the judge that made that call and 187 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: what was their rationale? What did the DA tell you? 188 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: What did the judge say that you know that this 189 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: is why we have to do this. 190 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in DC, it's an interesting process because we 191 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 2: don't have district attorneys or das we have, is it 192 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: if it's a felony defense, a prosecuting it. So that 193 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: was a really empowering thing to know that the US 194 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 2: Attorney's Office was going to bring my case. It really, 195 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: I would gave me such a good feeling and still 196 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: does to know that they did this. But the judge, 197 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: I've actually through this entire process, never once stepped in 198 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 2: the courtroom. The only time I appeared in court was 199 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: virtually before the grand jury. And then I guess it's 200 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: sentencing as well. I read a statement and so I 201 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 2: actually don't know who the judge was. It was letters 202 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: that I was getting in the mail from the US 203 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 2: Attorney's office letting you know he's been arrested again. And 204 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,079 Speaker 2: then the attorney might call me the day after and 205 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: say the judge toes to release him. And so yeah, 206 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 2: a lot of people on X have asked who was 207 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: the judge? People want, people are angry and. 208 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 3: How with what we're seeing right now? 209 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it, And I honestly I 210 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: don't know. I know the name of the assailant. My 211 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: name has been protected through this whole process because I'm 212 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 2: a sex abuse victim and I'm grateful that the system 213 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: protects me from, you know, just just having my name 214 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 2: out there. So me coming out is it's a very 215 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 2: scary thing because I'm not naming the man who attack 216 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: to me. I don't want to give him any more reason. 217 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: This was a random attack, right, It wasn't intentional because 218 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,599 Speaker 2: of my reporting or anything. But I don't want to 219 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 2: give him any reason to hate me more, right, right, 220 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: And and he could put the pieces together and figure 221 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 2: it out probably, Oh this happened, then this is what 222 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: happened after. But but yeah, so much of it, which 223 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: which is what makes it so hard going through it. 224 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: You just feel like the system doesn't care about you. 225 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: And I used to say to my my father during 226 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 2: this process, I bet this judge has a daughter, and 227 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: I bet he would not be doing this if I 228 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: was his daughter. You just can't. Yeah, And there their 229 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: their explanation why they didn' told him in jail was 230 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: the jail. The DC jail was full. It was during COVID, 231 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: which in DC was years long, not like the rest 232 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: of the country, which was like a few months, maybe 233 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 2: a year. It was years, and so they didn't want 234 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: to overfill the jail, and so I felt like that 235 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: was putting me and every other woman, even every other 236 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: man on the street in danger. Because what I didn't 237 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 2: find out until sentencing was that before he attacked me, 238 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 2: he was at large for having attacked an off duty 239 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 2: female police officer, and so they knew and they responded 240 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: that day to my attack, the police on sne They 241 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: knew this matches the description, This is the same exact 242 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: area he went after a woman in a sex crime, 243 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 2: and so they knew this looked like the same guy. 244 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: And yet those things apparently weren't enough, and he had 245 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: a record already to be held in jail. 246 00:13:55,440 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 3: David Rutherford, my best friend. 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How often has this happened? 272 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: You know how many of these predators are released on 273 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: a day? 274 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: Like? Did you ever? 275 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: Because I know you you are a very talented journalist 276 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: as well too, so you know, after managing your own 277 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: vulnerability and your trauma and that experience and then feeling 278 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: like you could be hunted from that, I mean just 279 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: processing that alone is so significant. People can't fathom it 280 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: unless you've been through it, right and and but on 281 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: the other side, you know, you you do have access 282 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: to federal prosecutors who are carrying Did you ever get 283 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: the opportunity to inquiry on a deeper level of what 284 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: actually going on? 285 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 3: And why? 286 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: You know, my conversations with the US attorney I had 287 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 2: two that represented me, one for the first six months 288 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 2: and then they switched out. I had a different one. 289 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: They said that January sixth, they said that had no 290 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 2: impact on my case. I put it in the op 291 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 2: ed because I thought we'll let people decide. But you know, 292 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: I never really thought that big. I think I was 293 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: so focused on I must be the only one. Why 294 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 2: is this happening? You don't know that you're a tree 295 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: for the forest, right, you don't know that this is 296 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: happening broadly, and that so many people are being released, 297 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 2: and you know, I love to know. The only thing 298 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 2: we really talked about and along those lines was yeah, 299 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 2: we're frustrated too, you know, yeah this And sometimes I 300 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 2: even felt I can't pinpoint exactly why, but I felt 301 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: like would they even be bringing this case if I 302 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: hadn't stayed on them, and because of my work as 303 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 2: a national reporter, I mean, this wasn't a rape. He 304 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: got away that day, and so we don't have any 305 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: proof that he had a weapon on him when he 306 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 2: attacked me, although he was later arrested for carrying a 307 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: machete near my apartment, so you know, that would have 308 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: been an additional charge. We don't know if this was 309 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: going to be an attempted homicide attempted rape, so those 310 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: charges also are irrelevant. And you know, you look at 311 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 2: it and like you said at the beginning, it's you 312 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 2: weren't raped. It's just a sex crime. It's not you know, 313 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 2: the worst and in the world eyes it's you know, 314 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 2: you move on, you get over it. And I think 315 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 2: sometimes even prosecutors and just the system can feel like, 316 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 2: you know, people almost forget I was also assaulted. You know, 317 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: this wasn't just a sexual assault. I was bound. I 318 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 2: could not get away. 319 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and you could. You could actually prosecute for 320 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: kidnapping once once you're bound, that opens the door for 321 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: that whole you know, resist a restraint against your will, 322 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 1: that goes into a kidnapping charge. So, you know, with 323 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: a person that's dedicated towards, you know, getting predators off 324 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: the streets, you make that case. 325 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 3: Work no matter what. 326 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: Now, you know, you do have to say, all right, 327 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: they did get a conviction, but after how long? How 328 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: long was the total time from when it started to 329 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: where he was incarcerated. 330 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 2: It started, the crime occurred in April twenty twenty, and 331 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: then we were supposed to start moving toward trial at 332 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 2: the end of twenty twenty in the fall early winter, 333 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: and they called me up and said the US Attorney's 334 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: Office we've been delayed six months and he's still at large. 335 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: Their plan was to have police arrest him when we 336 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: were getting ready to go to trial because they felt 337 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 2: like they could find him. They know where he lived 338 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: on the street, which didn't do much for me. So 339 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 2: then they alert, Yeah, they said, we've been delayed until 340 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 2: after like six months, so into like the spring of 341 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. We know what happened. In early twenty 342 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: twenty one, January sixth, the Feds nationwide, but especially the 343 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: District of Columbia chose to prosecute. You know, I think 344 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 2: probably had the most case as far as prosecutions, and 345 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 2: so they got delayed until the end of twenty twenty one, 346 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: and finally that third start time, they said, okay, we're 347 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: moving forward. We're going to take him into custody. He's 348 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: being arrested five times during this period. He exposed himself 349 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: his genitals to a staff member at the Supreme Court, 350 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: was arrested. He violated the restraining order outside my apartment, 351 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: and I applaud police for the officers on the ground 352 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: actually arresting him, because that's like the least thing they 353 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: need to be concerned about, is violating a restraining order right, 354 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 2: but five times, including the machete into offenses, and so 355 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 2: they let him out every time, and we finally they 356 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 2: rested him late twenty twenty one and said we're moving 357 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: to trial. I went to d C in December twenty 358 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 2: twenty one, testified before I was living in Texas. By 359 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: then I left d C and I flew into d 360 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: C to testify for the grand jury. And I got 361 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 2: there and I'm envisioning this, you know, SVU grand jury, 362 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: you know this real process. And they said, because you 363 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: came in from out of state, we can't let you 364 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 2: appear in the same room as the grand jury and 365 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: the judge because it's a health risk. And so they 366 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: put me in a room directly next to the grand jury, 367 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: and I spoke into a camera and looked at a 368 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: Actually there was no screen. I just spoke into the camera, 369 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: so I didn't even see anybody and testified as to 370 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: what happened to me. And then that day I went 371 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 2: and flew home back to Texas. So the whole process, 372 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: I don't feel like I've been through a lee process. 373 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 2: It was a bizarre and he ended up in January 374 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. They said Okay, we're going to go 375 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 2: for a plea deal. This is the US Attorney's office. 376 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 2: And I felt like I didn't have a choice of 377 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: that matter. Now that was my decision to make, but 378 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 2: I felt heavily pressured, like, you don't want to go 379 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: to trial. It's going to be unpleasant, it's going to 380 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 2: take longer. We're just going to get him to sign 381 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: a plea deal if we can, and it'll be a 382 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 2: little short sentence, but you know, we'll get this done quicker. 383 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 2: And in my head, you don't want to fight a 384 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: US attorney. You know, You're like, I don't know. You're 385 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: telling me, you know the process. I don't know what 386 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 2: I'm doing here. And so that's something that's still it 387 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 2: bothers me. Because he ended up getting he had sentenced 388 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: in March twenty two. He was deemed competent and stable 389 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: to go to prison. They do a whole testing before 390 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: someone is officially sentenced, and he got about two two 391 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: and a half years. This is when I found out 392 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: the day of sentencing for what he did to me, 393 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: what he did to this off duty female police officer, 394 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 2: and then the five other crimes which were lowered down 395 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: to misdemeanors, so everything bundled up together nicely. And he's 396 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: since been release from prison back onto the street in 397 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: d C. So I don't know if he's been arrested again. 398 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: I don't know where he is. I told the US 399 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 2: Attorney's office, please don't contact me again. I'm done. And 400 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 2: yet it's that's where we're at today. But that's one 401 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 2: of the reasons I can't. You know, I'm not going 402 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 2: to live my life based on him. But at the 403 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 2: same time, I don't feel safe in DC, not just 404 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: because of him, but all the other thousand thousand ways 405 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: that someone could hurt you. 406 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you. 407 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: Just you know the system now, so you know, well, 408 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: someone hurts me, they might not hold him and he 409 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: could live a block for me and it doesn't matter. 410 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:01,919 Speaker 1: So that's right, and that's what's taken place now. The 411 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: other facet of your phenomenal article was the reality of 412 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the statistics and the cover up of those statistics. 413 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 3: So can you talk a little. 414 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: Bit about how they hid this within their crime statistics reporting. 415 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I went back to work several weeks after 416 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: the attack. Again, like I said, you know, bound to 417 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: just get back to regular life and I'm a Homeland 418 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: security reporter. I cover the department. Typically I'm covering border patrol, customs, 419 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: and ice. During COVID, we pivoted a little bit more 420 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: to crime and civil unrest, those things which made my 421 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: recovery a little more difficult. You're looking at how society 422 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: feels like it's falling apart, and you have no human 423 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 2: contact every day, and you live six floors up in 424 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 2: her sirens every day. So in May or June of 425 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, shortly after the attack, I had Actually the 426 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: backstory is I had moved from Upper Georgetown in d 427 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 2: C great safe area to next to Union Station. It 428 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 2: was better for work. And before I moved, I looked 429 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: at DC's crime map. Because I'm used to working with 430 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: the FEDS, I knew that the data would be there, 431 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: and I based my move on They used to have 432 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,520 Speaker 2: pins on the map for different crimes. And said, Okay, 433 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: this apartment building is better than this one two blocks away, 434 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 2: then this one over here by Whole Foods or this, 435 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 2: and like chose this building because it was one of 436 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 2: the best locations just in a few blocks. And so 437 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: I went back after the attack, and I was doing 438 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 2: a story on a violent crime in DC had gone up. 439 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: That includes burglaries, robberies, homicides, assaults, sex abuse. 440 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: Carjackings, all that stuff. 441 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 2: Carjackings. Yeah, And I'm looking at the map and I thought, 442 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: I'm going to look at where the pin is for 443 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 2: my attack, because they showed just the month of April 444 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And I zoomed in on that area. It 445 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: was Second Street northeast and between like F and G 446 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,959 Speaker 2: and there's no pit and I was like, Oh, they 447 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 2: didn't put the pen up yet. What's wrong with these people? 448 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: You know? So I look at my home address across 449 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,360 Speaker 2: the street and them there. I thought maybe they put 450 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 2: it with my old home address in Georgetown. I'm looking 451 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: over there and nothing. I'm looking at all my previous 452 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: addresses because you know, in DC you move around a 453 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: little bit, and so I'm looking at my work address. 454 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: Then I think in DC there's four of pretty much 455 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 2: every address because there's four quadrants. So I'm checking the 456 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 2: other quadrants. There's nothing. And I reached out to the 457 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 2: police and I asked them I'm a victim, but I'm 458 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: also a reporter. I'm writing a story and I'm curious 459 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 2: why my assault isn't on here, and they responded to 460 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: me and said, we're only putting first degree crimes, first 461 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 2: degree felonies on the map. And that set a tone 462 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 2: for the next few years where I felt like what 463 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 2: happened to me wasn't significant, even though it brought me 464 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 2: so much grief and changed my life. It was confusing 465 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 2: to me why we were moving forward with pressing charges 466 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 2: if this wasn't even going to be a pin on 467 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 2: a map. To say this happened really invalidating and in 468 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:24,159 Speaker 2: a victim's recovery. Uh, I mean, the one thing you 469 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: want to have is the police on your. 470 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: Side, acknowledgment. 471 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that that yes, you your rights were violated. 472 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 3: You were violated. 473 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: We acknowledge that, and you know, and and and you know, 474 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: we're sorry that it happened. 475 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: You know. 476 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's that's the that's even the hardest one, right, Yeah, 477 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: because they're they're so desensitized by the magnitude of how 478 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: crime has has taken over, you know, their city streets. 479 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 1: And then you know, the next nefarious nature of this 480 00:26:55,600 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: is what are they getting told in their briefs every morning? Right? Oh, 481 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: only respond to this, don't respond to this. I mean 482 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: there are certain areas in a country where they've flat 483 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: out Chicago, Memphis, you know, other Houston. We are not 484 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: going to respond to your crime like you're gonna get 485 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: your car's gonna get broken into your house, your home, 486 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a break in. We're not coming to 487 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: those crimes because we have so many other crimes that 488 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: we have to address. What's up, Team, I've been writing 489 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: for over forty years. Finally I've decided to bring to 490 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: life a character that has been on my heart since 491 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: my experiences of carrying a gun for a living. If 492 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: you recently watched my episode with my best friend on 493 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: his show, The Sean Ryan Show, you heard some of 494 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: my real world experiences that shape this character and the 495 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: story of The Poet Warrior. Can a poet's soul survive 496 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: the crucible of war? The Poet Warrior follows Adam Ferguson, 497 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: a reclusive teenage artist haunted by his father's early death, 498 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: as he transforms into a battlescarred Navy seal through the 499 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: chaos of combat in the shadow of nine to eleven, 500 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,720 Speaker 1: Adam grapples with the raw truth of mortality. His journey 501 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: is a searing odyssey of heartbreak, failure, and the relentless 502 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: search for identity amidst the ruins of lost loved ones. 503 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,719 Speaker 1: Set against the turbulent dawn of the global War on terror. 504 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: This is a story of a young man torn between 505 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: his poetic heart and the hardened warrior he's become. If 506 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: this sounds like a story that might pull you in, 507 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: please visit my website at David Rutherford dot com or 508 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: click the link in the description below and if you 509 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: pre order now, your signed copy will be delivered before 510 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: the holidays. 511 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. In godspeed. 512 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: And you know, when you get to that place in society, 513 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: what you have a couple options, right you Either you know, 514 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, you say, all right, enough is enough. You 515 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: ramp up your police recruitment, give them you know, greater 516 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: uh breadth of of what to be able to wrap 517 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: them up for a rest, right, a broader spectrum, and 518 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: then you you guarantee, hey, we're going to prosecute these people, 519 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna put them away. But the opposite was happening. 520 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: It's almost like there is something somewhere, someone has come 521 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: in and said, no, we're not going to do this. 522 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: We're we're not going to prosecute crime. It's you know, 523 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: we're violating their lights, the rights. And that's what I 524 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: think the majority of like very not a majority, but 525 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: a profound amount of people in America are feeling, is 526 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: that the criminals are the ones who are being taken 527 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: care of. Is that what you felt when you're as 528 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: you further go into investigating crimes. 529 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I felt. And the month after 530 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: my attack was when George Floyd's death occurred, and that 531 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: spurred riots, you know in different cities, including DC and 532 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 2: partic that lasted a while, and so I'm then living 533 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:11,080 Speaker 2: through you know, defund the police, and I'm like, I 534 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: I didn't have like a conscious reaction to it. It's 535 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: almost looking back, you're thinking, well, that was confusing to 536 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 2: live through. And I didn't come out. I didn't come 537 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: out with my story. I came out a couple of 538 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 2: years ago on Twitter. Actually it was a year ago 539 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 2: on Twitter, and I just said, today marks four years 540 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: since I was attacked. No one knows this happened. I'm 541 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: going to write a book that was it. And this, 542 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 2: you know, this a couple of weeks ago was really 543 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 2: the first time I've I've said, hey, I'm going to 544 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: talk about more about this. But last when I was 545 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: writing this offbed, I contact the DC police again and said, 546 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 2: are you showing all degrees of all felonies on your 547 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 2: website on this crime page? It's also now it's called 548 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: the crime cards page, so they renamed it. And I 549 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: noticed when I looked at it, they don't showl pins anymore. 550 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 2: They have like squares over certain you know, a couple 551 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 2: of blocks within each square, and they're color coded to 552 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 2: show the crime crime level there. And they said, we 553 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: went back and forth and I could not get a 554 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: straight answer, so I said, fine, let's just talk about 555 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 2: sex abuse. There used to be four degrees of sex 556 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: abuse you could be charged with in DC. 557 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 3: Are those all. 558 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: In the in the listed here? And they said, what's 559 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: listed is first degree for rape and then certain second 560 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: degree which is attempted rape. And you know, to this day, 561 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: I don't know where my crime was going. I don't 562 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 2: know if the detectives didn't get an answer from the 563 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 2: guy who assaulted me when they arrested him three months later, 564 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 2: or or what. But for me, it means it's not 565 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: going to be on the crime map, and it makes 566 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: me wonder how many other victims have no idea, they're 567 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: not in rooted in those stats and just think, you know, 568 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: it's it's a weird thing that matters to you. It 569 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: matters for how we a society of vie crime. But 570 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 2: I want an honest look how safe the city is 571 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 2: right where crimes occur. But also as a victim, we 572 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: already spoke about this, but it says you mattered, what 573 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: happened to you mattered because why should the attorney's office 574 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: prosecute it? And it's not on Yeah, So. 575 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: I am completely convinced that this is, you know, part 576 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: of a of a much larger focused effort to you know, 577 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 1: reduce the necessity to target a specific. 578 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: Area where crime originates. 579 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: Right, And I think you know once you look at 580 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: a crime map of a particular city, and you know, 581 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: I've had friends at the Bureau of friends at the agent, 582 00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: I worked at the agencies. 583 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: I know how how you. 584 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: Target areas and why and how you identify criminal rings 585 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,720 Speaker 1: and criminal enterprises. 586 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: I got all that. 587 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: But it's like they know where this stuff is taking 588 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 1: place because the beat coop on the street is filing 589 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: a report every single day. That report goes up to 590 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: whoever that watch commander is and then that watch commander 591 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: puts it into the system. But they're not making it 592 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: into the system. And there's a reason for that. And 593 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: I think what we're seeing from this backlash of Trump finally, 594 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 1: you know, federalizing the protection of citizens in d C. 595 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: I mean, the perfect example in my mind is that 596 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: you know that DC went the first time, and I'm 597 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: not quite sure. Maybe you could help me with how 598 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: long that they didn't have a homicide in a week 599 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: in d C. 600 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 2: I think it was like twelve or thirteen days. 601 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: So think about that, think, I mean, that's that's an 602 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: insane reality to the state of things. And then you 603 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 1: look at you look at you know, for me, the 604 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: one I was in phill Itdelta crime statistics last spring, 605 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: I think it was. I looked at and there was 606 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's something like eighteen hundred carjackings, right, 607 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: and the average age of the carjacker was thirteen to 608 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: fifteen years old. And we saw the one in DC 609 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: the two girls carjacked the car and then ended up, 610 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, dying from the carjack or killed the guy. 611 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 3: And then that happened at the. 612 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 2: Lad a block from where I moved to after this 613 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,359 Speaker 2: attack in d C. Oh my god, and the uber 614 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,720 Speaker 2: driver was killed. It was that's right. It was so close. 615 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 2: It was right outside nat Stadium, and it was like, 616 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 2: you just can't get away from crazy stuff always happening. 617 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's the reality. I think when you look 618 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 1: at the social fabric I think of the country has 619 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: shifted profoundly, and it shifted because people feel unsafe, and 620 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: they feel unsafe from the magnitude I think of corruption 621 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: that our government has displayed over the last you know, 622 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: x amount. I mean depend upon where you like to 623 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 1: originate the corruption level. You know, whether it's John F. 624 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: Kennedy's assassination or you know, it's even in the modern 625 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: era of the Iraq War and afterwards, whether you know 626 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 1: it's corruption at a federal level, it's a state level, whatever, 627 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,399 Speaker 1: it seems like it's out of control. And the thing 628 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: that is automatically affected by those levels of corruption is 629 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: the civilian population because crime just goes unchecked in those moments. 630 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: And you know, I think it's this is indicative of 631 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,760 Speaker 1: a much larger thing that's going on around the world. 632 00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the sexual assault statistics, 633 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: rape statistics over in Europe. I just read a post 634 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: on x that showed, you know, well, it's like five 635 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: year twenty nineteen. It was something like, you know, I 636 00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: think almost eight thousand rapes in England and then it's 637 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: like sixty eight thousand sexual assaults now or it's some 638 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: astronomical advancement. And and the reality is is it seems 639 00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: like governments municipalities are pulling back on the protection of 640 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: its citizens. Do you feel the same thing as you 641 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: obviously with your you know, your level of your investigated mind, 642 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: you're trying, I would imagine you're trying to discover is 643 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: this a construct of uh, you know, the degradation of 644 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: our civil society. 645 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 3: Is it a degradation of of you know, uh policing 646 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 3: or what is it? 647 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 2: So? 648 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on why is is crime going 649 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: unchecked as a whole in particular against women? 650 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, at the top of my head, I 651 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 2: think it's twofold. I think women just still aren't and 652 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 2: maybe some of its unconscious bias just aren't seen as 653 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 2: as a sex crime. You know, I'm trying to think 654 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: of myself as a man in my head who it thinks, well, 655 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 2: she probably enjoyed it. It was terrible, you know, like 656 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 2: I'm trying to think because I don't know. I mean, 657 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: like I don't know. When I was screaming no, don't 658 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 2: touch me, it means don't touch me anywhere. So I 659 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 2: think part of it is just women just aren't viewed 660 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 2: the same as men, and the sex crime is like 661 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 2: a bizarre it's almost unfortunate we have to say it's 662 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: a sex crime. It's an assault, period, That's right. It's 663 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: an assault on a certain part of your body in 664 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,279 Speaker 2: a certain way, but you're being assaulted. And that was 665 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 2: part of coming out. I was deciding whether it's a 666 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,799 Speaker 2: sexual assault or assault because I've seen the comments on 667 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 2: X what people say I shouldn't shouldn't have been wearing 668 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 2: or doing. I was in sweats with my hair in 669 00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 2: a bun, so I couldn't have looked worse that day, 670 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 2: but I was targeted, and I think women and children 671 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 2: are always going to be at the lower end unfortunately 672 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,879 Speaker 2: of the totem pole. I work on the border. I've 673 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 2: been to the border on sixty occasions, particularly during the 674 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 2: Biden administration when people were just flooding across and what 675 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 2: you can't know looking at someone coming across is is 676 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 2: this person being trafficked against their will. And so many 677 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 2: people who pay to be smuggled are they're under the impression, Okay, 678 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 2: I don't have this money, but i'll give you some 679 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 2: of it, and then when I get to the final destination, 680 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,759 Speaker 2: I'll send you money. Every month. They never make it 681 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 2: to their aunts in Chicago. They get taken to New 682 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:51,839 Speaker 2: Orleans and they're working in god only knows what type 683 00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 2: of work. It could be a restaurant of bodega, which 684 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,400 Speaker 2: that's the best case circumstance, or it could be sex 685 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: work or forced flavor in another way. And they pay 686 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,560 Speaker 2: off that debt, debt and then some and pay for 687 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: all their living expenses. They don't go to the police 688 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 2: because you know, you're coming from a country that has 689 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:14,920 Speaker 2: terrible relations with police typically, and so you know, even that, 690 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 2: I think the right is very concerned about that, certainly 691 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 2: more than the left is. And it's it's almost like 692 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,479 Speaker 2: it hasn't made it mainstream. We know rape is bad, 693 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: we know women shouldn't be victims of these crimes, but 694 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,880 Speaker 2: you know, it's it's like we almost accept it as well. 695 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 2: It's always going to happen, you know, because there's a 696 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 2: power dynamic, you know. As far as why it's happening 697 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:50,040 Speaker 2: more so in the world, it's it's hard to put 698 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,799 Speaker 2: the nail nail on the head and say why, And. 699 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 3: Well, I think a component of his culture, I think, yeah. 700 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: And we're seeing how much migration right now. And I 701 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 2: want to be really careful right because we're not saying 702 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 2: people from somewhere or somewhere are are inherently bad or 703 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,800 Speaker 2: targeting women because of that. But when you look at cultures, 704 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,959 Speaker 2: some have no value for women or only see women 705 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,319 Speaker 2: valued in a certain way. So inevitably, if a lot 706 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 2: of people from one culture are going into a culture 707 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: that doesn't see women in that way and respects women, 708 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 2: and you're going to have big changes like that, and 709 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 2: you can't change. It's not like you can pass a 710 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 2: law and say no, we don't treat we already have 711 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 2: a law, we don't treat women like this, or this 712 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 2: is something we don't do. You know, so many of 713 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 2: the people that ICE is targeting within the country and arresting. 714 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:53,960 Speaker 2: I see it every single day are legitimate pedophiles and 715 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 2: people keeps the sex crimes, convicted of sex crimes. I 716 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 2: mean overwhelmingly, I see so many targeting of people under eighteen, twelve, thirteen, 717 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 2: even younger. It's not the exception, it's the norm. And 718 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 2: so that makes me think, what about it typically from 719 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 2: certain countries in Latin America? Why does it seem like 720 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 2: this is a very popular crime we're seeing in the US. 721 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 2: And I don't know the answer to that question. Maybe 722 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,520 Speaker 2: it's just that they think they can get away with 723 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 2: it because they're younger, or women have less inherent value, 724 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,880 Speaker 2: and are you know, in certain cultures in Latin America. 725 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:40,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree on all those assets. I think 726 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: they're all relevant questions to ask because there's relevant data 727 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: that supports it, right, and if we could get the 728 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: appropriate data, the real data right with not only the 729 00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 1: specificity of every level of salt where it took place, 730 00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 1: but who committed the crime? And you know, I think 731 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: the overwhelming majority is repeat offenders that have had a 732 00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 1: life of crime, and in particular sexual assault or salt 733 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,760 Speaker 1: or pedophilic criminals. Right, And I think you know those people, 734 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: You're right, there's this idea that you know, how do 735 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,439 Speaker 1: we protect when there's so many going on right now? 736 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:23,760 Speaker 3: There? 737 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: I think you have you know, the cop on the 738 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: street is inundated with so much crime and then being 739 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: told well, that's not a real crime. This is a 740 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,439 Speaker 1: real crime. We can only handle this or we only 741 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: want to do so everybody's confused across the whole level, like, 742 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,479 Speaker 1: all right, well this is something. This is a fat 743 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: women in the protection of women and children should be 744 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: a cornerstone for what American justice looks like. I mean, 745 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: and that that's you would hope, but inevitably what it 746 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: just continues and continues and continues. So I just I 747 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: thank you for your courage of being able to come 748 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,080 Speaker 1: out and share this, but also the work you're doing 749 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,840 Speaker 1: with investigating this and telling the truth of these the 750 00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: crime and where it's at and what's going on. I hope, 751 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, with the recent you know, effort to you know, 752 00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: federalize a lot of these very dangerous cities around the country, 753 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 1: you might give some semblance of like maybe it's changing 754 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: a little bit and get some hope going in you 755 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,239 Speaker 1: because otherwise, I know, it just might be so difficult. 756 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I as I said when we before we 757 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: came on, you know, I have fourteen age daughters. The 758 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: scariest thing that I possibly could feel is them leaving 759 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: my house and my protection and even where I live 760 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: in South Florida. You know, my oldest says, I want 761 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: to go down to Miami, which is one of the 762 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: top human trafficking hubs of the world. 763 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 3: And I'm like, who you going with? Are you? 764 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,239 Speaker 1: You know, she's not an old enough to care very 765 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: concealed weapon yet, so it's like, well, how do we 766 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 1: get her there? Here? 767 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:04,919 Speaker 3: Do I give you mace? 768 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,320 Speaker 1: Do I here's a blade, Here's how you strike a blade, 769 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: Here's a you know here you know. But again, as 770 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: she's a child and so being able to you know, 771 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: live with that level of situational awareness and also try 772 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,400 Speaker 1: and be a child and have fun. Man, it's like 773 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: it's you're caught in this conundrum of of of this 774 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: social degradation that continues to happen. 775 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,240 Speaker 3: So thank you so much. Anna. 776 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,880 Speaker 1: Where can people follow your work? When's the book going 777 00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:34,439 Speaker 1: to come out? 778 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 3: You think? 779 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,959 Speaker 1: And and just you know, how can people just really 780 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: start paying attention and get behind what you're doing. 781 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking with several publishers right now. Since this 782 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 2: story went viral on x it fortunately brought a lot 783 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,319 Speaker 2: of attention and people want to share that story. So 784 00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,719 Speaker 2: we're TVD on when that's going to come out. It 785 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 2: could be a few months to a year, And the 786 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 2: best way to find me is on X and on Instagram. 787 00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 2: It's Anna underscored jewrs helly Anna. 788 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,640 Speaker 1: Once again, just thank you so much for your courage. 789 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: I'm sorry this happened to you. 790 00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,480 Speaker 2: Man. 791 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,959 Speaker 1: If I had been there that day, that dude would 792 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: not have been going to jail. I promise you that, 793 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,560 Speaker 1: But I just I hope you keep, you know, inspiring 794 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,120 Speaker 1: not only women but everybody and bring awareness to what's 795 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: going on. 796 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:24,799 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David for having me on and 797 00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 2: for amplifying the story. 798 00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 3: And this issue. You're welcome. Thank you, God bless you 799 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:30,360 Speaker 3: you