WEBVTT - Can we build a wormhole?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, orry, did you figure out how to build a

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<v Speaker 1>wormhole yet? What you're expecting me to do it? I

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<v Speaker 1>was hoping you draw in your engineering background. Shouldn't it

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<v Speaker 1>be physicists trying to figure this out? Now we've already

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<v Speaker 1>done our part. What do you mean, Well, we proved

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<v Speaker 1>it's theoretically possible. Isn't that enough? That's all you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do, prove that it's not theoretically prohibited. Yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the rest is just engineering, actually, like making it happen,

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<v Speaker 1>just engineering. It seems like it's most of the work.

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<v Speaker 1>To be honest, that's probably true. We should, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>work on flying cars and feeding the world first. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>well you know, just let me know when I could

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<v Speaker 1>place an order from my wormhole. All right, you just

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<v Speaker 1>let me know when you've proven flying cart and feeding

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<v Speaker 1>the world aren't possible. It's a deal him or hand me.

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<v Speaker 1>Cartoonists and the creator of PhD comics. Hi, I'm Daniel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a particle physicist and a professor of physics that

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<v Speaker 1>you see Irvine, and I'm a bunch of particles that

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<v Speaker 1>likes to think about particles. You're just a bunch of particles.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what you're saying that's all there is, man,

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<v Speaker 1>just soul particles to it's particles all the way down.

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<v Speaker 1>If you ask me when you saying these particles like

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<v Speaker 1>to study particles, Yeah, I'm a bunch of particles that

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<v Speaker 1>likes to think about and talk about and study particles. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's gonna meta meta particles. It's particles really, all the

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<v Speaker 1>way down down to the philosophy of it. I'm particularly

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<v Speaker 1>interested in particle philosophy. But welcome to our podcast Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>and Jorge Explained the Universe, a production of I Heart Radio,

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<v Speaker 1>in which we take the entire universe and break it

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<v Speaker 1>into its fundamental particles. We take a part all of

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<v Speaker 1>the big ideas of physics, the age of the universe,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason the universe exists, how it got to look

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<v Speaker 1>the way the it does today, what it's made out of,

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<v Speaker 1>and we break all of these ideas down into tiny

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<v Speaker 1>little particles of understanding. We bounced them around, wrap them

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<v Speaker 1>up in some dad jokes, and send them along the

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<v Speaker 1>audio waves to you. That's right, because we are not

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<v Speaker 1>particular about the scale of the questions we have about

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<v Speaker 1>the universe. We wonder about the little, tiny things that

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<v Speaker 1>the universe is made out of and we also wonder

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<v Speaker 1>about the entire universe. How do we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>far corners of this cosmos and what are we going

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<v Speaker 1>to find there. We've sort of woken up as an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent species and discovered that we are in this one

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<v Speaker 1>tiny little corner of an incredibly vast universe, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>now learning the rules of how that universe works, how

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<v Speaker 1>it's put together, how you can move around it, how

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<v Speaker 1>you can't move around it, And of course we wonder

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<v Speaker 1>are their loopoles in those rules? Is it possible to

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<v Speaker 1>get from here to there without spending millions of years

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<v Speaker 1>on a slow rocket ship? Make it sounds like we're

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<v Speaker 1>a little planet in a big universe. It sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a premise for a movie or something, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>little planet goes to the big city. It reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of that great book we talked about once, Long Journey

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<v Speaker 1>to the Small Angry Planet. But we are a tiny,

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<v Speaker 1>little planet and it is an incredibly vast universe. And

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<v Speaker 1>some of the answers to the questions that we struggle with,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that keep us up late at night. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>what's inside a black hole or what's at the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the galaxy? Or what's it the far reaches of

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<v Speaker 1>the universe? Or are there aliens? Some of these questions

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<v Speaker 1>could be rapidly answered if only we could get to

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<v Speaker 1>other parts of the universe to just look at the answers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we can learn a lot just from here on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>looking through our telescopes and our antennas, we can learn

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about the universe, but it's just not quite

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<v Speaker 1>the same as actually getting there or seeing it with

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<v Speaker 1>your own eyes, or being able to touch other planets

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<v Speaker 1>or shake the hands or tentacles or other aliens. Because

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<v Speaker 1>if there are, for example, aliens on other planets, then

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<v Speaker 1>photons leaving those planets are hitting us here on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>It's possible that a photon that left some alien tentacle

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<v Speaker 1>flew through space and then landed on your eyeball. But

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<v Speaker 1>of course it's difficult to know that because it's mixed

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<v Speaker 1>in with so many other photons and it's basically impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to distinguish. So even with our most powerful telescopes, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't see what's going on on the surfaces of other

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<v Speaker 1>planets yet. So wouldn't it be great if instead we

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<v Speaker 1>could just pop on over. Yeah. Unfortunately, it is a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty big universe, and it takes a long long time

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<v Speaker 1>just to get to the nearest star. There are millions

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<v Speaker 1>of light years to other galaxies, tens of light years

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<v Speaker 1>to other planets, and so even if we were able

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<v Speaker 1>to go at the speed of light, it would still

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<v Speaker 1>take a long time and a spaceship to get their

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<v Speaker 1>Amazon Prime has not yet conquered free same day delivery

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<v Speaker 1>to Andromeda. You need Amazon Prime Prime. You haven't unlocked

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<v Speaker 1>that in your account now. I haven't paid the ten

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollar annual fee yet to get intergalactic deliveries. It's coming, though,

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<v Speaker 1>only for billionaires, billionaire podcasters faster than light drones. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it would be great if we could get to other

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<v Speaker 1>stars and other galaxies to explore the universe, to see

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<v Speaker 1>what's out there, to get a closer look at things

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<v Speaker 1>like black holes and other planets and trump stars. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, space is what it is. You can't move

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<v Speaker 1>through it faster than the speed of light. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty hard and fast rule. We know that no

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<v Speaker 1>matter who you are and how hard you push, how

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<v Speaker 1>big your rocket, you can't get going faster than the

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<v Speaker 1>speed of light. It's sort of strange to think about,

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<v Speaker 1>because you can add energy to things like at the

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<v Speaker 1>Large Hadron Collider, we can pour more and more energy

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<v Speaker 1>into particles. There's no limit on how energetic a proton

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<v Speaker 1>can get in an accelerator. But even though they get

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<v Speaker 1>more energetic, they just don't get going faster. They very

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<v Speaker 1>slowly approached the speed of light. So it's a hard

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<v Speaker 1>and a fast rule. And when the physics says just

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be broken. We've been looking all over the universe

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing has ever broken that rule. But there are loopholes.

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<v Speaker 1>There might be other ways to accomplish those goals without

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<v Speaker 1>breaking that rule. Not a way to move faster than light,

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<v Speaker 1>but to avoid having to go through as much space

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<v Speaker 1>in order to get to your destination. That's right. Physicists

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<v Speaker 1>have read the fine print of the universe, and it

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<v Speaker 1>seems there's a you know, a loophole, something that you

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<v Speaker 1>can and used to warm your way to other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe. Because when physicists and lawyers get together,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, you never know what you're going to invent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like matter and antimatter colliding. It's pure invention. Energy

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<v Speaker 1>is what comes out. Pure energy, no ethics exactly. And

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that the rules of space and time

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<v Speaker 1>do allow for some crazy possibilities. We know that space

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<v Speaker 1>can do all sorts of things that our ancestors and

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<v Speaker 1>even genius physicists from the past never imagined. It can bend,

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<v Speaker 1>and it can twist, and it can be rearranged in

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<v Speaker 1>all sorts of complicated ways. Yeah, and this special loophole

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<v Speaker 1>is called a wormhole, a special tunnel through space and

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<v Speaker 1>time that maybe we can use to get to other

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<v Speaker 1>spaces or even other times. But the big question is

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<v Speaker 1>can we make one? Is it possible to make one? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's easy. All you do is you call up your

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<v Speaker 1>favorite cartoonists slash engineer and say, where's my wormhole? I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you just have to call some worms. My wife

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<v Speaker 1>is deep into the compost sting, so she's got a

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<v Speaker 1>big hole in our backyard filled with worms. So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say she's already invented a wormhole. There

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<v Speaker 1>you go. Now, we just need a cosmic compost bin. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>our solar system is a cosmic compost because we are

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<v Speaker 1>the left over remnants of previous solar systems having been

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<v Speaker 1>spewed out into the cosmos to fertilize new systems. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess with the second lost thermodynamics. Everything is you know,

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<v Speaker 1>increasing in enterprise. So technically the whole universe is like

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<v Speaker 1>a compost bin. There you go. The universe was so

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<v Speaker 1>green and smelt so weird. Yeah, and so to the

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast, we'll be tackling the question can we

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<v Speaker 1>build a wormhole? Interesting? I guess first of all, did

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<v Speaker 1>you build a wormhole? Or do you have to dig

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<v Speaker 1>a wormhole in space? Let's figure out the verb first,

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<v Speaker 1>then we'll deal with the other. Let's get the question right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you build a whole? Maybe you spin a wormhole.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's or like knitting or sewing. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>still I feel like the hole is an emptiness, right,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you build one? Or even a mid one? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>put one together? Yeah. Well, you know, we make light

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<v Speaker 1>of it, but it is a fascinating leap to say

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<v Speaker 1>something is allowed in the universe to figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>to actually make it happen. You know, you might, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>know that su flas can be made. Maybe you had

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<v Speaker 1>one at a restaurant. That doesn't mean you know how

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<v Speaker 1>to go home and actually make that soufle in your kitchen.

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<v Speaker 1>Knowing it could exist in the universe and figuring out

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<v Speaker 1>how to make one happen from the current situation are

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<v Speaker 1>two very different things. Yep. So then we can put

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<v Speaker 1>this in the recipe book for the universe. Warmhole who flays?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't accidentally add too much chocolate and make it a

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<v Speaker 1>black hole, soufle, it's very dangerous. Or dark chocolate matter

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<v Speaker 1>dark chocolate matter? Wow? Is that a phrase anybody's ever

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<v Speaker 1>said before? Dark matter chocolate? I mean, technically you might

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<v Speaker 1>be able to make dark matter chocolate. Wow. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if there's a chocolate brand out there called

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<v Speaker 1>dark matter. You might need a whole different recipe book

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<v Speaker 1>for that. I'd like to toss that one in my mouth. Hole. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is an interesting question because we know that wormholes

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<v Speaker 1>are technically theoretically possible, and this has been worked out

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<v Speaker 1>in the math of the laws of physics. But the

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<v Speaker 1>bigger question is how do you make one? And how

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<v Speaker 1>do you make one big enough for people to go

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<v Speaker 1>through it? Exactly. It's the next frontier in understanding wormholes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a crucial step in getting us to the

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<v Speaker 1>place where we can step through a portal and walk

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<v Speaker 1>on an alien planet. So, as usual, we were wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how many people add there have thought about this question

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<v Speaker 1>of how to build or dig or excavate a warmhole

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<v Speaker 1>out there in space, And so Daniel went out there

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<v Speaker 1>into the internet to ask people could we actually make

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<v Speaker 1>a wormhole? So thank you to everybody who answered these

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<v Speaker 1>crazy questions without any chance to prepare. If you'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to participate for a future episode of the podcast, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't encourage you enough and we'd love to hear some

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<v Speaker 1>new fresh boy is, so please write to us two

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<v Speaker 1>questions at Daniel and Jorge dot com. Think about it

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<v Speaker 1>for a second. How would you make a wormhole? Here's

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<v Speaker 1>what people had to say. We can make a wormhole.

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<v Speaker 1>We can do anything if we started flying too. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything else to add. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is theoretically possible, and I give us a thousand years

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<v Speaker 1>until we achieve it. Sure, why not? If we can

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<v Speaker 1>understand it, we can conceive the technology to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I doubt we have the technology right now, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know what that technology would be, no idea

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Concentrate a bunch of matter into one place

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of becoming a black hole, it becomes a wormhole.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you spin a bunch of things in a spinnyway

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<v Speaker 1>to make a vortex that everybody gets sucked down and

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<v Speaker 1>through to another place. I would like to think we could,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe not yet, but soon. And Daniel, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that you love Interstellar. I remember that you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about it earlier one of the podcasts, and I could

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<v Speaker 1>imagine it's a thing like that, like bending space somewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even in our own solar system. And we really

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<v Speaker 1>don't know a lot about like Dark Meadow or what's

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<v Speaker 1>inside the black hole, or there's really still lots of

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<v Speaker 1>secrets around and in the universe, so I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>that we can find some surprises there as well, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe with that information we get closer and closer to

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<v Speaker 1>actually be able to make a wormhole. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we have enough energy right now, but eventually we could.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even sure wormholes are real, nor we's ever

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<v Speaker 1>observed one or measured one or study one. I know

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<v Speaker 1>they're a mathematical thing, but I'm not even sure that real.

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<v Speaker 1>But if they were real, there's no way we could

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<v Speaker 1>deal with those types of energies. Because what's the most

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<v Speaker 1>proful thing humans have ever made, The large hard drunk collider,

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapons. I mean, if you take all the hard

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<v Speaker 1>drink collider, all the nuclear weapons ever exploded wherever there

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<v Speaker 1>ever are on Earth, there's energies don't compare anything to

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. And when you're dealing with a wormhole, you're

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with black holes and and things that are a

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<v Speaker 1>thousands millions of times of more massive sun. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's impossible for humans to ever create or make

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<v Speaker 1>or benifest or manage or anything with the worm hole. Stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Theoretically it's possible, but we don't have the technology. So

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<v Speaker 1>my answer is yes, but not at the moment. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good answers here. I feel like I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>they quite answered your question because I think you asked

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<v Speaker 1>the question, could we actually make a warm hole? But

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<v Speaker 1>and so people just said yes, why not sure, instead

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<v Speaker 1>of actually giving us ideas before how to make a

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<v Speaker 1>warm hoole. Oh. They didn't take it as a homework project,

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<v Speaker 1>like go and give me the recipe figured out right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want the answer today. That's right. They read the

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<v Speaker 1>fine print in the question, and the question only asked

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<v Speaker 1>could we make a wormhole? Which is a the other

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<v Speaker 1>or no answer? Well, but again, knowing that something can

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<v Speaker 1>exist in the universe doesn't mean we know how to

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<v Speaker 1>make it right. It's not always easy to assemble something

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<v Speaker 1>even if you know that it can exist right. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess, let's dig into this topic and no

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<v Speaker 1>pun intended, And so let's start with the basics. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess what is a wormhole exactly? And what do we

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<v Speaker 1>know about it? So wormhole is a fascinating idea, and

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<v Speaker 1>it comes out of the basic realization from general relativity,

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<v Speaker 1>which tells us that space itself is not nothingness. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like the background in which the universe actions happen,

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<v Speaker 1>which is sort of the way that Newton saw space.

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<v Speaker 1>He saw spaces like absolute and fundamental and sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like the stage of the universe on which things move

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<v Speaker 1>and shift. So he thought space and time where it's

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<v Speaker 1>just these sort of eternal basics to the universe. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Einstein showed is that that's not true at all,

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<v Speaker 1>that space and time are actually dynamic, that they change

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<v Speaker 1>in response to what's in them. So you put a

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<v Speaker 1>blob of mass in space, for example, a curve space,

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<v Speaker 1>and then that curvature tells those masses how to move.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not like space is the background. It's instead

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<v Speaker 1>one of the players on the stage, and mass and

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<v Speaker 1>space interact with each other to create all the crazy dynamics,

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<v Speaker 1>the orbits, the black holes, everything that we see. And

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<v Speaker 1>Einstein gave us these equations to tell us what space

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<v Speaker 1>can do. As long as space follows those equations, everything

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<v Speaker 1>that the equations predicts should be possible to exist in

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<v Speaker 1>the universe, and that includes really simple stuff like you

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<v Speaker 1>have an empty universe, okay, so space is just totally flat,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing interesting there. Or you have a singularity, a

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<v Speaker 1>point of infinite density mass with zero volume, in which

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<v Speaker 1>case you get crazy things like an event horizon. And

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<v Speaker 1>so general relativity tells us that space can do all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of crazy things, and wormholes are just one of

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<v Speaker 1>those predictions. Yeah. People often make the analogy that we're

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<v Speaker 1>like fish swimming in water, and you know, we thought

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<v Speaker 1>we were like swimming and emptiness, but actually we're swimming

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<v Speaker 1>in something, and that something can sort of like banned

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<v Speaker 1>and pushes and compressed and make swirls and everything. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess maybe a difficult thing to think about though, is

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<v Speaker 1>like you can imagine space bending and distorting, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of hard to imagine poking a hole in it,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's hard to imagine poking a hole in water.

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<v Speaker 1>It is hard to imagine poking a hole in water.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's because if or a fish, all you can

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<v Speaker 1>think about are the basic things that you've seen water do.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you are a sort of water scientist, you

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<v Speaker 1>know that under different configurations, under different circumstances, water can

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<v Speaker 1>do other things. It can be crazy. You can form solids, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it can form drops and fall from the sky. You

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<v Speaker 1>can even form a gas and expand. And so we're

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<v Speaker 1>stretching the analogy a little bit, but the idea is

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<v Speaker 1>that under different circumstances, space can do other things. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a real demonstration of the power

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<v Speaker 1>of theoretical physics, because this is a case where theoretical

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<v Speaker 1>physics really is leading the charge. You know, we take

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<v Speaker 1>these like abstract principles, these mathematical equations that Einstein came

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<v Speaker 1>up with to describe the things we had already seen

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<v Speaker 1>in the universe, and then we explored the predictions of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We said, well, if these are true, if these really

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<v Speaker 1>are the rules of the universe, what else can they do?

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<v Speaker 1>And for example, we discovered black holes. In this way,

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<v Speaker 1>we discover them theoretically as like a consequence of these laws,

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<v Speaker 1>and then went out in the universe and found them

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<v Speaker 1>to be real. So it's a really powerful way to

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<v Speaker 1>do science. One is go out in the universe and

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<v Speaker 1>find crazy stuff and try to explain it. The other

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<v Speaker 1>is look at the crazy consequences of the rules you

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<v Speaker 1>have already gathered from your experiments and see if you

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<v Speaker 1>can predict interesting, fascinating things. So wormholes are that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of example where people have tried to find weird corners

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<v Speaker 1>of Einstein's equations to tell us that it's possible, right right,

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<v Speaker 1>Although to be fair and not everything theorists come up

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<v Speaker 1>with turns out to be true almost nothing in fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they think, Like, of all the theories out there

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<v Speaker 1>about what new particles might be, I bet none of

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<v Speaker 1>them are true. I don't think that the real theory

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<v Speaker 1>of nature in particles is in any human mind right now.

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<v Speaker 1>But that doesn't stop them from being creative and coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with lots of ideas. But wormholes are fascinating because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just like one idea, it's more like a

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<v Speaker 1>category of ideas. The basic concept of wormhole is say

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<v Speaker 1>you have a patch of space from one spot, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a patch of space in another spot. Is it

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<v Speaker 1>possible to connect them? Is it possible to make it

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<v Speaker 1>so that this one patch of space A is like

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<v Speaker 1>next two hatch of space B, even though they're otherwise separated,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe by light years of distance or even by time.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it possible to build a tunnel so that one

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<v Speaker 1>patch of flat space is now connected to another? And

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<v Speaker 1>this is sort of like the overarching theme of a wormhole.

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<v Speaker 1>And people have explored this for decades now, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a few possible ways to connect patch

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<v Speaker 1>of space A and patch of space B. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of very different ideas. You may have heard several

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<v Speaker 1>different ones which sound contradictory, And the reason is that

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<v Speaker 1>there are different ideas for what a wormhole might be. Like.

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<v Speaker 1>There are different flavors of this wormhole moves, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this earthworms holes, and then this ring wormholes and all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of different kind of worms. Oh boy, this is

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little uncomfortable. Yeah, so there's different flavors of wormholes,

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<v Speaker 1>and but I guess you know, it's sort of strange,

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<v Speaker 1>how it Like, what is it about the theory that

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<v Speaker 1>allows wormholes, like, you know, doesn't the theory sort of

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<v Speaker 1>treat spaces like the thing where other particles move around,

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<v Speaker 1>And how does it actually allow, you know, you to

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<v Speaker 1>make discontinuities in this space? Well, singularities are in aparently

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<v Speaker 1>like a discontinuity. There are a very weird point in

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<v Speaker 1>the theory. And so the very first idea for a

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<v Speaker 1>wormhole was imagined two black holes which share a singularity,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, which have the same singularity. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>like a black hole with two exteriors and a common interior,

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<v Speaker 1>like it just overlaps because I guess if you have space,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people usually imagine it as like a giant

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<v Speaker 1>rubber sheet, and you can have maybe a black hole,

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<v Speaker 1>something so heavy and intense that it kind of makes

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<v Speaker 1>this dip in the rubber sheet and it ends in

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<v Speaker 1>a singularity maybe. And so that's kind of where the

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<v Speaker 1>idea came from, Like what if this singularity down at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the rubber sheet somehow connected to another

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<v Speaker 1>singularity from another black hole somewhere else in space and

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<v Speaker 1>the rubber sheet analogy is useful for getting you thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about how space bends, but it's a little bit misleading

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes because it suggests that space bends like into some

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<v Speaker 1>other direction, like in the rubber sheet analogy, the universe

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<v Speaker 1>is a two dimensional rubber sheet and it's bending in

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<v Speaker 1>a third dimension. In our universe it is three dimensions

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<v Speaker 1>of space, but doesn't bend in some like other weird

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<v Speaker 1>fourth dimension. The bending is intrinsic, meaning it's all about

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<v Speaker 1>the changing of the relative distances of points in space.

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<v Speaker 1>And we don't know what it is that ties space together,

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<v Speaker 1>like why is this bit of space next to that

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<v Speaker 1>bit of space next to that bit of space. And

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<v Speaker 1>so what we're doing when we're making wormholes is we're

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<v Speaker 1>just like fundamentally reorganizing the arrangement of space. We're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>this bit of space is now next to that bit

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<v Speaker 1>of space. It's like you're sowing the universe together. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're knitting, and you just sort of like make a

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<v Speaker 1>stitch from the frontier sweater to the back of your

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<v Speaker 1>sweater and you say, these two things are now next

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<v Speaker 1>to each other on my sweater. Right. It's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking this singularity from one black hole, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>taking another singularity from another black hole, and then you're

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<v Speaker 1>joining them together. But doesn't that seem sort of implausible, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>isn't the point of a singularity is that it's single,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like it's supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>like unique and and and you know, a singular point,

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<v Speaker 1>Like how do you make two points? Need? Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>I love that idea. You know, you're right, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>funny name because there's not just one singularity in the universe, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a singularity at the heart of every black hole,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we shouldn't be called them singularities. They should

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<v Speaker 1>be called like what multiple ularities or many ularities? Singularities

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<v Speaker 1>apparently is apparently they're not exclusive. But the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a singularity just implies that something is becoming infinite. In

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<v Speaker 1>that case, the idea is the density. The density is

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<v Speaker 1>becoming infinite, So it's a singularity in that sense, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I mean. It's like, how do you take

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<v Speaker 1>an infinite dense point and connected to another infinite dense point, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are the chances they're going to meet up together? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well we don't know, but it's possible. Like if you

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<v Speaker 1>plug that into Einstein's equation, that comes out with a

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<v Speaker 1>check mark. Like if you shape space in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>and you say, can space have this shape? Einstein's equation says, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you absolutely can. It's like can you mold a block

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<v Speaker 1>of clay into a donut? The answer is yes, and

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<v Speaker 1>so therefore donuts are possible. Just because that configuration satisfies

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<v Speaker 1>Enstein's equations doesn't tell you how to actually make it real,

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<v Speaker 1>because in order to make something, every step along the

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<v Speaker 1>way also have to satisfy the laws of physics. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of like if you want to build an arch,

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<v Speaker 1>like a Roman arch, where you have those bricks that

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<v Speaker 1>suspend each other. Yeah, you know that works if you

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<v Speaker 1>can get it up there. But you can't just like

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<v Speaker 1>put one brick up there and have it levitate while

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<v Speaker 1>you assemble the other bricks below it. Every step in

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<v Speaker 1>between also has to satisfy the laws of physics. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's the tricky part finding a recipe to go from

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have a wormhole. Two, now you do have

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<v Speaker 1>a wormhole. Even if you know the last step is allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>every step in between also has to be allowed. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get into the different flavors of wormholes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's getting through the problems of making one. But first,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break right, Daniel. We are worming

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<v Speaker 1>our way into the hearts and minds of audiences everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're talking about at wormholes maybe a possible way

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<v Speaker 1>for us to get to other galaxies or other parts

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe through a loophole in the spacetime fabric

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe. And so you mentioned there are different

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<v Speaker 1>flavors of wormholes, like you can order a vanilla wormhole

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<v Speaker 1>and a chocolate wormhole. I recommend mint chip. Really it's

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<v Speaker 1>the taste, not mint well exactly. And because people might

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<v Speaker 1>be wondering, hey, if I want to get from here

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<v Speaker 1>to Alpha Centauri, are you telling me I have to

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<v Speaker 1>use a wormhole which has two black holes on it,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if you fall into a black hole, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>coming out the other side, right, And so that's why

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<v Speaker 1>this wormhole is more like a category of ideas. And

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<v Speaker 1>the kind we're looking for is a traversable wormhole, one

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<v Speaker 1>that you can go into and actually come out the

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<v Speaker 1>other side. Not every wormhole. You can imagine if physics

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<v Speaker 1>satisfies that requirement. For example, when we have two black

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<v Speaker 1>holes with a common singularity, definitely not a trip I

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<v Speaker 1>would recommend. But there are other flavors of wormholes, when

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<v Speaker 1>we've talked about in the podcast before, is a black

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<v Speaker 1>hole with a singularity, and on the other side, instead

0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.320
<v Speaker 1>of being another black hole, is now a white hole

0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:02.120
<v Speaker 1>something which is like the inverse of a black hole.

0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Instead of something that's impossible to escape, it's something that's

0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 1>impossible to fall into. So you fall into the black

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>hole side of it, passed through somehow, and then come

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.480
<v Speaker 1>out the white hole side some other place in the universe.

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.639
<v Speaker 1>I see. So this is like the chocolate vanilla swirl

0:23:18.920 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>flavor worm hole. Yeah, but they don't swirl, right, there's

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.399
<v Speaker 1>a singularity of the heart there that keeps them apart,

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.879
<v Speaker 1>which is the best time because if you order chocolate

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 1>in vanilla swirl, you don't want them mixed together because

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:31.520
<v Speaker 1>then it's just like sort of you know, light chocolate.

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.040
<v Speaker 1>You want the contrast a right, maybe it's more like

0:23:34.040 --> 0:23:37.280
<v Speaker 1>cookies and cream. Then, well, so you're saying that another

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>type of worm hole is one that connects the black

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.360
<v Speaker 1>hole to a white hole. Now, our white holes are

0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of like the inverse of a black hole, where

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't suck things in, it actually spews things out.

0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 1>And these are also theoretically possible, but unlike black holes.

0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:53.879
<v Speaker 1>We've never observed any white holes. Right. That's right, black

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.639
<v Speaker 1>holes theoretically possible and observed. We're pretty sure they exist,

0:23:57.680 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 1>So check out some of our episodes about like quantity

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.439
<v Speaker 1>stars and dark He knows about whether they actually are

0:24:02.520 --> 0:24:04.920
<v Speaker 1>out there in the universe. But wormholes and white holes

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>still purely theoretical. Nobody's ever seen one. We don't actually

0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 1>know if they can exist in the universe, although the

0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.280
<v Speaker 1>math suggests that they are possible. I see, so you

0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:17.320
<v Speaker 1>could maybe take the singularity from a white hole and

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:20.000
<v Speaker 1>connected to a singularity from a black hole. But wouldn't

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.360
<v Speaker 1>they be sort of different kinds of singularities or it's

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.360
<v Speaker 1>still allowed by the theory. No, it's a single singularity.

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:28.159
<v Speaker 1>In fact, if you look at like the Penrose diagram

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.600
<v Speaker 1>for a black hole, this is something that's pretty cool

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 1>that lets you think about the shape of space in

0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the vicinity of a black hole. This sort of a

0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:37.199
<v Speaker 1>gap on the other side of the Penrose diagram. If

0:24:37.240 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the black hole in our universe, which is centered around

0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:41.840
<v Speaker 1>the singularity and then the diagram has this gap, you

0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:43.879
<v Speaker 1>like what's on the other side, And that's sort of

0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the genesis of the idea of a white hole. It's

0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.080
<v Speaker 1>like the other side of the singularity. And so it

0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:49.960
<v Speaker 1>would be very natural for a black hole in a

0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>white hole to be connected by a singularity. And again,

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:56.239
<v Speaker 1>this wouldn't necessarily be a traversable wormhole, right because like

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 1>you've got to pass through a singularity. That sounds like

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.919
<v Speaker 1>a pretty tight squeak. Yeah. Yeah, you'd have to really

0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>lose a lot of weight to be that single. And

0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.040
<v Speaker 1>so that's also not a traversible wormhole one that you'd

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:11.119
<v Speaker 1>like to pass through. But there are other kinds of

0:25:11.160 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 1>ideas about wormholes, and these are a little bit more exotic,

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:17.440
<v Speaker 1>but they're also maybe more promising because it turns out

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>to have a connection between two points in space, you

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 1>don't necessarily even need any mass. You might not even

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>need a singularity at all. What do you mean, like,

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.399
<v Speaker 1>how can you have a wormhole without a singularity or

0:25:28.440 --> 0:25:31.359
<v Speaker 1>without a hole. Well, it's just a question of having

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:34.119
<v Speaker 1>space be curved in the right way that this patch

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.520
<v Speaker 1>of space and that patch of space can connect to

0:25:36.520 --> 0:25:39.840
<v Speaker 1>each other. And so people talk about whether that's possible. Obviously,

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 1>singularities are incredibly dense sources of mass can curve space,

0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>but that's not the only way to get space to

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.280
<v Speaker 1>be curved. And it's possible to have curved space without

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>necessarily having any mass. So, for example, in the vicinity

0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.159
<v Speaker 1>of a black hole, where you don't actually have any mass,

0:25:56.440 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 1>space is still curved. Right, there's like complex interest in

0:26:00.200 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 1>geometry near a black hole, even though you're not actually

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 1>in the massive part of it. And so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a stretch. But if you might be able

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to come up with some solutions to the Einstein equations

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.240
<v Speaker 1>that connect two portions of space without actually having any

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 1>huge amounts of mass, without any singularities at all, and

0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:20.479
<v Speaker 1>so this is the kind of wormhole which might actually

0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>be traversable. I see you're saying, like, we know that

0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>space is kind of bendable and squishy, so why not,

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Like it's theoretically possible you could just squish it all

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the way into a tunnel without needing a black hole.

0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:33.919
<v Speaker 1>But you have no idea how to do that. There,

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 1>I have no idea how to do that. I mean

0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 1>I have some ideas how to do that, I have

0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>no plausible ideas for how to do that. I don't

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:42.520
<v Speaker 1>have a recipe that one can follow. And before you

0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.639
<v Speaker 1>even get there. There are theoretical problems with these kinds

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:48.840
<v Speaker 1>of wormholes. One is that these kind of wormholes, when

0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 1>people play with them in the equations, they tend to

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.920
<v Speaker 1>try to like snap shut immediately. They're not stable. It's

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:55.560
<v Speaker 1>not like a black hole which you can sit there

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.680
<v Speaker 1>forever essentially sucking stuff up. These kind of wormholes when

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.280
<v Speaker 1>you set them up, they collapse that like pinch closed.

0:27:01.400 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 1>These tubes don't like to just sort of like hang

0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>out connecting two parts of space. They pinch off almost immediately.

0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like if I just take space and I

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:11.760
<v Speaker 1>dig a hole or connect to far away points together,

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>your equations actually tell you that it's not stable, Like

0:27:14.720 --> 0:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't it be stable and in space just sit

0:27:17.000 --> 0:27:19.919
<v Speaker 1>there and stay bent. It's a great question. And just

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to clarify, like we don't know how to dig this hole,

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:25.200
<v Speaker 1>but say you started with universe where that whole existed,

0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>we don't know how to go from. There's no hole too,

0:27:27.600 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 1>there is a hole. But say you had the universe

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.560
<v Speaker 1>with this one of these wormholes in space already came

0:27:32.800 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>built that way, then we can't play with it and

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.040
<v Speaker 1>say what would happen in this scenario? Just like I

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>don't know how to make two black holes collide, but

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:42.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's already happening in the universe, our

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.280
<v Speaker 1>calculations can tell you what to expect. I say, it's

0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:46.960
<v Speaker 1>like you bought a house and you discovered has a

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 1>secret tunnel in the middle of your house. Yes, yeah,

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:51.119
<v Speaker 1>And then we can ask, well, what would happen, And

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 1>the calculations suggest that it would pinch closed immediately because

0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>like the pressure from the curving of space would immediately collapse.

0:27:58.119 --> 0:28:00.880
<v Speaker 1>This interesting mean that space doesn't like to be bent.

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:02.639
<v Speaker 1>It's not stable, right, I mean, I don't want to

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:04.480
<v Speaker 1>say what space likes. If it likes mint chip or

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:06.680
<v Speaker 1>if it likes vanilla, you know, but it doesn't stay

0:28:06.800 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that way. It's not stable unless you add something to

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 1>your wormhole. Like, it's not stable. Like the equations tell

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>you that in the next instant in time, curvature would

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 1>snap back into flat space. Just like if you put

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>a particle near a black hole, that's not a stable configuration.

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:27.080
<v Speaker 1>The particle will roll into the black hole eventually, right,

0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't just have it hanging out there. The dynamics

0:28:30.040 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>predict that things will change. You know. Some things are stable,

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 1>like a particle can be an orbit around a black hole.

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.080
<v Speaker 1>That is a stable configuration. So there are some stable

0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:40.360
<v Speaker 1>solutions to the Eis equations, but there are also some

0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.600
<v Speaker 1>that are unstable. They won't just like hang out with

0:28:42.640 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the same solution forever. But Kip Thorne and some friends

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>came up with the idea of how to keep that

0:28:48.040 --> 0:28:52.680
<v Speaker 1>throat from collapsing. Interesting. Just get a bigger worm, they said,

0:28:52.680 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 1>actually get a negative worm. What they discovered is that

0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 1>you need some sort of like repulsion. Right, gravity tends

0:28:58.600 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>to be attractive. I'm a try acted by the Earth,

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and the Earth is attracted by the Sun, and the

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Sun is attracted by the rest of the Milky Way.

0:29:04.440 --> 0:29:06.760
<v Speaker 1>We tend to see gravity as an attractive force in

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:09.560
<v Speaker 1>the universe. Here, what we need is like repulsion. We

0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:12.440
<v Speaker 1>need something like pressing on the edges of the throat

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.720
<v Speaker 1>of the wormhole to keep it open. And to do

0:29:14.760 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>that you need gravity to do the opposite of what

0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:19.840
<v Speaker 1>it usually does. And so they thought, well, perhaps if

0:29:19.840 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 1>you had like negative energy density, something with like negative

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>mass instead of positive mass, you would apply some sort

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>of like pressure on the edges of this wormhole and

0:29:29.440 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 1>it would keep it open. It would keep it from

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.760
<v Speaker 1>collapsing gravitationally, wouldn't that be the same as sort of

0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 1>like a white hole, right, like something that's the opposite

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:40.360
<v Speaker 1>of super heavy. It's the opposite, but in another direction, right,

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a white hole is the opposite of a black hole.

0:29:42.400 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like the inverted shape of space time,

0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 1>but here it's the opposite of mass. I think it's

0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>pretty cool though. In particle physics, we have lots of

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>like opposites. You have matter and antimatter, you have positive

0:29:53.760 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 1>mass and negative mass. You have you know, electrons and

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>different flavors of electrons, mus and towns. There's so many

0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>different f actions physicists and engineers, engineers and mint chip engineers,

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:09.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's right, and lawyers exactly. And so the

0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 1>idea is if you have some kind of matter with

0:30:12.360 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>negative energy density to it, you know, like a particle

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:18.480
<v Speaker 1>with negative mass, which is something we've never seen, and

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:21.880
<v Speaker 1>you threaded that through your wormhole, then that configuration is

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.680
<v Speaker 1>actually stable. They will keep the wormholes open. Interesting, so

0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 1>are we still talking about like a big tunnel in

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 1>space or are we talking about a wormhole that only

0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>like a single particle can go through. That's the other

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>problem is that in their calculations. This is like particle

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:39.360
<v Speaker 1>level wormholes. We're talking microscopic wormholes. And so you know,

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.240
<v Speaker 1>if we're gonna send Jorge to Alpha Centauri, we would

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>have to combine this with some machine that like disintegrated

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you into your particles or your information and then like

0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>beamed photons through it and reassembled you. On the other end.

0:30:51.640 --> 0:30:54.080
<v Speaker 1>This is not something you could like pass a living

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>object or a macroscopic object through. I see, well, I mean,

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess paint paint a picture to me, Like, how

0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:01.840
<v Speaker 1>do we keep it open? Then do you You have

0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 1>to keep feeding it this negative mass, this inverse negative

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.720
<v Speaker 1>energy matter through it, Like there has to be a

0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>stream of it or it's like it's like the scaffolding

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>that holds it open, and it's there and then we

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:14.000
<v Speaker 1>passed kind of in the middle of it. Yeah, it's

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.040
<v Speaker 1>more like the scaffolding. As long as it hangs out

0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>inside the wormhole, it should keep it open. But again,

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't know that negative mass exists. So this was

0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of the forefront of current thinking until a few

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>years ago. People thought, well, wormholes, maybe they exist, but

0:31:27.480 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 1>they need us to use this kind of exotic matter,

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:33.240
<v Speaker 1>which is theoretical which might not exist in the universe,

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.200
<v Speaker 1>but which is theoretically possible. It's theoretically possible. Yeah that

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 1>we've never seen it and it would be really weird.

0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 1>And we actually have a whole podcast episode about exotic

0:31:41.440 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>matter and how strange it might be to check that

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>out if you like. But now people are thinking about

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>other ways to maybe keep wormholes open and maybe to

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:51.880
<v Speaker 1>make them larger, to make the macroscopic so you can

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>put like real people and objects and you know, your

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>suitcase through it interesting. So we have some new ideas,

0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and so this is something physicist actually work on. Like

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not just science fiction authors and TV

0:32:03.240 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 1>writers that think about these things like a field. There

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:07.720
<v Speaker 1>are warm, whole physicists. There are This is not like

0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the lunatic fringe, like people at the very end of

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>their careers noodling around with crazy ideas they daren't mention otherwise.

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:16.640
<v Speaker 1>These are prominent folks, you know. Kip Thorne is like

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>mainstream physicist you want a Nobel Prize. There's guys like

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Juan Malda Senna, who was one of the smartest guys

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>in the universe at the Institute for Advanced science. Cunning

0:32:25.280 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>edge string theorist works on this kind of stuff. It's

0:32:27.600 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>a really interesting area because it's not just like, hey,

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:32.520
<v Speaker 1>can we get to other places in the universe. It

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:35.400
<v Speaker 1>touches really deep questions about the nature of space and

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.320
<v Speaker 1>time itself and connects to questions in string theory and

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>quantum information and black hole information paradoxes, and so wormholes

0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 1>have become like really core to a lot of these questions.

0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>You remember that episode we had recently about the potential

0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>solution to the black hole information paradox. One of those

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 1>solutions implies that there's like a wormhole that connects the

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>inside of the black hole to your simulation of a

0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.080
<v Speaker 1>black hole on your computer, like informational wormhole. And so

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>these wormholes are like popping up everywhere these days on

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.120
<v Speaker 1>the forefront of theoretical physics. Interesting, all right, So what

0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 1>are some of these new ideas about wormholes. So one

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 1>of the new ideas about how to keep a wormhole

0:33:12.760 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>open says, well, let's not try to use something that

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.080
<v Speaker 1>doesn't exist in the universe, like negative mass matter, because

0:33:19.120 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 1>maybe that doesn't exist and so it's not practical. Instead,

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.240
<v Speaker 1>let's try to use some of the cool features of

0:33:24.360 --> 0:33:28.440
<v Speaker 1>quantum mechanics to maybe keep this wormhole open. So quantum

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>mechanics has really fascinating properties, and one of the most

0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>interesting is something called entanglement. When you connect two particles

0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>which can be really far apart, but you have their

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>fates intertwined. So, for example, maybe you have a photon

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:45.240
<v Speaker 1>which decays to two electrons, and those two electrons have

0:33:45.360 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>to like satisfy one of the rules of the original photon.

0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>You know, if the photon had no spin, for example,

0:33:51.800 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 1>then the two electrons together have to have no spin

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.720
<v Speaker 1>when you add them up, which means if one electron

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>to spin up, the other one has to be spinned down.

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>So you have these two elect stron's and maybe they're

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.280
<v Speaker 1>now like really far apart, they're a light year apart

0:34:03.320 --> 0:34:05.200
<v Speaker 1>in the universe. As soon as you know one of

0:34:05.240 --> 0:34:06.920
<v Speaker 1>them is spin up, the other one has to be

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 1>spin down. Quantum mechanics tells you that both of them

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>can be in either state, and until you measure electron A,

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:15.480
<v Speaker 1>you don't actually know what's going on with electron B.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>So these two particles are entangled. There's some like weird

0:34:18.560 --> 0:34:21.600
<v Speaker 1>spooky connection between them because as soon as you ask

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:24.400
<v Speaker 1>about electron A and discover oh it's spin up or

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>oh it's spin down. Now you know something about electron B.

0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 1>So this is like a way to connect two places

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in space somehow across vast distances, and this collapse, this

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 1>coordination of their results seems to be instantaneous. So this

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:39.960
<v Speaker 1>is a starting place to think about, like how to

0:34:40.080 --> 0:34:43.400
<v Speaker 1>maybe make connections between two points in space using quantum

0:34:43.440 --> 0:34:47.719
<v Speaker 1>mechanics rather than general relativity. I see, all right, So

0:34:47.760 --> 0:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>these two electrons are tied together by some rule of

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>quantum mechanics, and now how to use them to keep

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>it a wormhole open? So this is gonna sound bonkers, right,

0:34:55.960 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>even on top of all the bonker stuff we've been

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:00.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about today. The idea is if you can entangle

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>the two edges of the wormhole. So take your wormhole,

0:35:04.800 --> 0:35:09.200
<v Speaker 1>which otherwise would have collapsed, and somehow entangled the two boundaries,

0:35:09.200 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you have a boundary of the wormhole in this

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>part of space and the edge of the wormhole in

0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>the other part of space. Somehow quantum entangled those two boundaries.

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So they're like linked by quantum mechanics, and there's going

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to be a connection between them that entanglement between them

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 1>creates like a special field, which creates negative energy density

0:35:28.320 --> 0:35:32.200
<v Speaker 1>inside the wormhole, which is equivalent to having negative mass

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.480
<v Speaker 1>in there. So it does the same job as negative

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 1>mass matter, but without actually having to have any negative mass.

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Wait what all right, So you're saying that if I

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.240
<v Speaker 1>entangled two electrons, right like, I have two electrons entangle,

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>and I have one here and I have one there

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:51.319
<v Speaker 1>where you are, you know, fifty miles away, you're saying,

0:35:51.320 --> 0:35:54.240
<v Speaker 1>there's some kind of like energy linked to them, some energy,

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 1>some negative energy linking them together, or there's some negative

0:35:57.080 --> 0:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>energy in between us. Yeah, there's a negative energy fee

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:03.879
<v Speaker 1>old in between these two objects, like a real tangible

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:07.279
<v Speaker 1>field or like a theoretical field. It's like a theoretical field.

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, nobody really understands quantum entanglement. Frankly, it's a mystery.

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 1>It's not something that we really understand what's going on.

0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.400
<v Speaker 1>And in the various interpretations of quantum mechanics, there are

0:36:16.440 --> 0:36:19.360
<v Speaker 1>different explanations for it, and there are even viable theories

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.240
<v Speaker 1>of quantum mechanics that suggest that entanglement can be explained

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>by like hidden variables, that there is no randomness anyway,

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this is still theoretical, but it doesn't

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>involve invoking negative mass particles, just negative energy we don't

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>know exists, but which in these calculations does come out

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>of this special entanglement. If you entangle two sides of wormhole,

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea is that now they are connected in this

0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:47.040
<v Speaker 1>special way and that keeps them from collapsing. Interesting, like

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:50.799
<v Speaker 1>there's actual like energy between them that is somehow keeping

0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>this warmhole open. Yeah, there's some way that these two

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.839
<v Speaker 1>are connected now, right, Because if you have two electrons

0:36:55.880 --> 0:36:58.080
<v Speaker 1>that have their fates entangled, they are part of the

0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.360
<v Speaker 1>same wave function, and that wave function and is a

0:37:00.480 --> 0:37:03.160
<v Speaker 1>ripple in some quantum field, and so there's a field

0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.359
<v Speaker 1>that it now goes through the wormhole, connecting these two

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>electrons and basically keeps them from snapping shut. The way

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 1>I think about it in my mind is like you

0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>have this wormhole which wants to close down, but there's

0:37:13.800 --> 0:37:16.040
<v Speaker 1>a thread that's through it, and that threat is the

0:37:16.200 --> 0:37:19.040
<v Speaker 1>entanglement of these two particles, and it keeps it from closing.

0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Why why wouldn't it just close, cut the court and

0:37:23.160 --> 0:37:26.640
<v Speaker 1>break the rules of quantum mechanics, sir? Why not? What

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about that's crazy, very inventing things left

0:37:29.480 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>and right. Here, I'm gonna invent the quantum scissors that

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the universe has to do what it wants. Well, nobody

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.360
<v Speaker 1>knows that this is real. And you know, this is

0:37:36.400 --> 0:37:39.560
<v Speaker 1>a calculation in a paper by one Maldacena, again one

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.960
<v Speaker 1>of the real smarty pants in the universe. And I

0:37:42.000 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 1>took this paper to some theoretical physicists I know, and

0:37:44.760 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 1>frankly a lot of them said, you know, I don't

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.399
<v Speaker 1>understand this paper. But one Mondasna is a really smart guy,

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 1>so I believe it's true. I see he's like, he's

0:37:51.800 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>like negative energy. He's gonna assume he exists in his right.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 1>He's never made a mistake before, so people trust his calculations.

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:00.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't understand the details of the paper theoretical this

0:38:00.239 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 1>is I talked to also admitted not understanding how the

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>calculations work. But this is a prediction of those calculations. Okay,

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>So that's one way to keep a warm hole open,

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:11.439
<v Speaker 1>and so there are other ways, including using dark matter.

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:13.960
<v Speaker 1>So let's get into those other ways to make warmholes.

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:28.319
<v Speaker 1>But for us, let's take another quick break. Al Right,

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 1>we are struggling to keep wormholes open because the universe

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.359
<v Speaker 1>wants to shut them down. If there is a path

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 1>between two distant points in space, some kind of tunnel,

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:39.880
<v Speaker 1>the universe actually wants to close them. It wants to

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>zip up that hole. And so the big problem with

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.480
<v Speaker 1>making warmholes is how to keep them open. So we

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>talked about maybe using quantum entanglement, which is very theoretical,

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>but there might be a way to do it with

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>dark matter. Daniel, right, Well, we talked about how to

0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe keep them open using quantum entanglement, which is super fun.

0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:58.200
<v Speaker 1>And before we move on to how to make them

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:00.759
<v Speaker 1>large and macroscopic using ar matter, I just want to

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>talk about one more advantage of that solution, which is

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.239
<v Speaker 1>that it might solve this time travel paradox we've talked

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:08.800
<v Speaker 1>about sometimes how wormholes might be a way to travel

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>through time because one edge of the wormhole might be

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>in the present and the other edge might be in

0:39:13.200 --> 0:39:15.960
<v Speaker 1>the past. Somehow, if you like boost the edge of

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.480
<v Speaker 1>the wormhole so it's going at relativistic speeds, you can

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 1>take advantage of special relativity and the two sides of

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the wormhole could be at different times. The cool thing

0:39:23.520 --> 0:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>about quantum entanglement as a way to keep the wormhole

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:28.920
<v Speaker 1>open is that it prevents any of those paradoxes from happening,

0:39:29.000 --> 0:39:31.640
<v Speaker 1>because now you've made like a direct link, a connection

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:34.720
<v Speaker 1>between the two boundaries of the wormhole and actually prevents

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 1>any time travel paradoxes from happening. So it's sort of

0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 1>cool in that way, sort of neat when you see

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 1>a solution to a problem also prevent other problems from

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.440
<v Speaker 1>cropping up. It's sometimes a hint that maybe you're going

0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:48.759
<v Speaker 1>in the right direction. M I didn't know that paradoxes

0:39:48.760 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>were possible with wormholes. I thought that, you know, they

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>might connect spacetime, which means you can travel back in time,

0:39:53.760 --> 0:39:55.920
<v Speaker 1>but since you're all part of the same universe, you

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>can sort of change the past. Well, that's true in

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.360
<v Speaker 1>some other configurations of general relativity, like closed timelike curves,

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>which put you in like a forever loop where you're

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>repeating yourself. Wormholes, however, do potentially open the door to paradoxes,

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:10.440
<v Speaker 1>because if you can travel into the past and you're

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.200
<v Speaker 1>not in that past limited to repeating what you did

0:40:13.320 --> 0:40:15.800
<v Speaker 1>last time. So it's not something people understand how to

0:40:15.880 --> 0:40:20.880
<v Speaker 1>reconcile wormholes with paradoxes and constality. But this solution to

0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>keeping wormholes open does actually rectify that because by directly

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:27.880
<v Speaker 1>connecting the two edges of the wormhole using quantum entanglement,

0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>you prevent any of these paradoxes from happening. M that's

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:34.280
<v Speaker 1>good news, I guess. We don't want to crash the universe.

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>It's good news for your grandfather because you can no

0:40:36.320 --> 0:40:40.160
<v Speaker 1>longer go back in time and kill him or your grandkids.

0:40:40.200 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Exactly for you, because your grangkids might come back to

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:45.160
<v Speaker 1>that's right, exactly. You ate all the mid chip, you

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>jerk to capital offense. The other problem we're trying to

0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:50.680
<v Speaker 1>solve with wormholes is not just to keep them open,

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:53.480
<v Speaker 1>but to make them big enough for us to go inside.

0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 1>We talked about how they are just like particle sized.

0:40:55.960 --> 0:40:57.759
<v Speaker 1>These kind of wormholes we're talking about are like big

0:40:57.840 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>enough just in one particle through. So other thing people

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>are working on is like, how do you make a

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 1>wormhole whose throat is macroscopic, is like you know, two

0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 1>meters wide, so that like a person or a spaceship

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>or a rocket could go through them. And that's the

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.600
<v Speaker 1>solution we tried to address by adding dark matter to

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.719
<v Speaker 1>the equation, right, because all of the ones that we've

0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:19.120
<v Speaker 1>talked about before, you can only send like literally one

0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 1>particle at a time. You can't send two particles next

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.880
<v Speaker 1>to each other, only one behind the other. And so

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>how do you make one big enough to like fit

0:41:26.320 --> 0:41:29.000
<v Speaker 1>a spaceship through, Well, nobody knows. But in the same

0:41:29.080 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>paper one Mile de Center worked on this problem and

0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:33.840
<v Speaker 1>he thought, well, let's try to come up with a

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 1>way to make them larger. And let's again not use

0:41:36.640 --> 0:41:39.920
<v Speaker 1>like a crazy invented exotic matter that we don't know exists.

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.480
<v Speaker 1>Let's think about the things that do exist in the universe.

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:45.840
<v Speaker 1>So he explored what would happen if you use dark matter,

0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:49.279
<v Speaker 1>but again not just like normal, everyday dark matter. He

0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 1>was considering dark matter in combination with another idea of

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:56.319
<v Speaker 1>additional spatial dimensions. We've talked on this podcast about how

0:41:56.360 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the universe seems to have three directions you can go

0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in space, but there's some parts of physics that suggests

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 1>there should be other directions you should move. In string theory,

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:08.400
<v Speaker 1>for example, you know like eleven or twenty six dimensions,

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.239
<v Speaker 1>which would mean that they're like you know, not just

0:42:10.520 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 1>up and down, left and right and forward and backwards,

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:16.120
<v Speaker 1>but other weird little dimensions that some particles can move through.

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.120
<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't be able to notice them or see them

0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>or move in them, but there would be features of space.

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.439
<v Speaker 1>So he explored the idea that if there are these

0:42:23.480 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>other features of space, it would change sort of how

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>particles move through that space, and it would change how

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>gravity works, which means it would change how spaces bent.

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:36.480
<v Speaker 1>So if you combine dark matter with these weird extra dimensions,

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 1>then you can use them to build a wormhole which

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:42.800
<v Speaker 1>is really really wide, big enough that you could actually

0:42:42.840 --> 0:42:45.839
<v Speaker 1>pass a person through. Well, how does it work? Well,

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 1>what's the theory prescribed? What are the instructions in this

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>paper to make it warmhole wide? So you need a

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of dark matter, and they go through the calculation

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>in order to have a wormhole whose mouth is wide

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:58.680
<v Speaker 1>enough for a human to fit, but not just that

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.680
<v Speaker 1>for a human to pass through without being torn apart

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.600
<v Speaker 1>by the tidal forces. You know, these incredible forces of

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>gravity that tug on you more strongly at your feet

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:08.960
<v Speaker 1>than on your head, and would tear you apart if

0:43:08.960 --> 0:43:10.440
<v Speaker 1>you got close to a black hole. If you want

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>a wormhole that's big enough for a human to go

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 1>through and wouldn't tear you apart, then the mouth of

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:19.600
<v Speaker 1>it needs to be three thousand light years wide, which

0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>means constructing something out of dark matter. It's three thousand

0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 1>light years in diameter. That's like much bigger than our galaxy, right,

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:30.320
<v Speaker 1>you mean, like, you know, take up like a corner

0:43:30.360 --> 0:43:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of the known universe. Well, our galaxy is something like

0:43:32.640 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand light years across, but it's definitely much

0:43:35.239 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 1>bigger than our solar system. So we're talking about a

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.960
<v Speaker 1>massive engineering project, you know. But hey, this is like

0:43:40.040 --> 0:43:41.799
<v Speaker 1>the first paper on it. The next one it will

0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>only be a thousand light years wide, and eventually somebody

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to make it one light year wide,

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.719
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, the engineers will take over and

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.400
<v Speaker 1>they'll figure out how to actually build this thing. It

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:52.080
<v Speaker 1>will be as wide as your phone. Well, but I

0:43:52.080 --> 0:43:54.120
<v Speaker 1>guess what's the actual recipe? Like you have to take

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>dark matter and shape it somehow, or just put it

0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.560
<v Speaker 1>on in one place, or be lucky that it's somehow

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.239
<v Speaker 1>Just this with this wormhole with dark matter in it, Like,

0:44:02.280 --> 0:44:04.399
<v Speaker 1>what do you have to do to make this warmhole work.

0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 1>So again, he doesn't sketch out a recipe for building

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.879
<v Speaker 1>this thing, just that if you have a wormhole and

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:14.320
<v Speaker 1>space has these extra dimensions, and you have dark matter

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 1>inside this wormhole, and you have the two edges of

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the wormholes quantum mechanically entangled, then that solution is stable

0:44:22.120 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>and would allow for people to pass through it. So

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:26.360
<v Speaker 1>there's no recipe for like, here's how you put this

0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>thing together, or here's the configuration of dark matter you

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:31.120
<v Speaker 1>need in order to make this happen. It's just like

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:34.000
<v Speaker 1>this configuration would satisfy the equations and meet all of

0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:37.359
<v Speaker 1>these constraints of being large enough and being stable. I see,

0:44:37.400 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 1>But what's the dark matter doing? Like, is it just

0:44:39.400 --> 0:44:41.360
<v Speaker 1>sitting in the middle of it? Is it shaped like

0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>a tube? Is it just hanging out at the ends

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 1>of it? Is there any sort of specifications about this

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.640
<v Speaker 1>or it's just a very abstract idea. It's just sort

0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:51.319
<v Speaker 1>of an abstract idea. The dark matter is there in

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.120
<v Speaker 1>order to explain why you have these extra dimensions of

0:44:54.160 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>space and time, and to reconcile all that together with

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>all the other astronomical observations we have about the nature

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>of the universe, and so the game I think Juan

0:45:02.239 --> 0:45:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Milison was playing was like, can I use things that

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>we already know exists in the universe and features of

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:10.600
<v Speaker 1>those theories to try to construct a wormhole which works.

0:45:10.640 --> 0:45:13.080
<v Speaker 1>There's no description in this paper of like what shape

0:45:13.120 --> 0:45:14.759
<v Speaker 1>the dark Man has to be in, or where the

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.399
<v Speaker 1>dark matter needs to go, or what this wormhole would

0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>look like. I think. In fact, here's a quote from

0:45:19.640 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 1>the paper. He says, quote, another problem seems to be

0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>producing the wormhole in the first place. This seems difficult.

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 1>When one of the smartest guys in the universe says

0:45:29.719 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>this seems difficult, you know, it's not an easy problem.

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>I see. I feel like he's giving us a recipe

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:36.560
<v Speaker 1>for a suffle. But he's just saying, hey, maybe maybe

0:45:36.600 --> 0:45:39.239
<v Speaker 1>if he's throwing some flour, maybe in some cream and

0:45:39.360 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe some you know, some sugar, maybe you can make

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>a sufle. But good luck with that. You know. The

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>cutting edge soufle a theorists, that's how they get started.

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.320
<v Speaker 1>They're like, you know, what are the ingredients of a soufla?

0:45:48.400 --> 0:45:50.960
<v Speaker 1>We don't even know is it possible theoretically? And you know,

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.360
<v Speaker 1>eventually a hundred years later, we have a recipe for

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 1>a su FLA interesting all right, So another way to

0:45:56.160 --> 0:45:58.279
<v Speaker 1>make a wormhole and maybe keep it open and make

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:00.399
<v Speaker 1>it big enough for us to fit through. So where

0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>are some of the problems with that? Well, one problem

0:46:02.400 --> 0:46:03.719
<v Speaker 1>is we don't know how to build that thing, right.

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.680
<v Speaker 1>We're talking again about a solution that we know might

0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 1>satisfy the equations, but we don't know how to go

0:46:08.640 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>from here to there. Another issue is if you have

0:46:11.120 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>these kind of entrances to the wormhole. We're talking about

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.880
<v Speaker 1>space being really really curved, and when space is curved,

0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't just affect where you go, it also affects

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:22.479
<v Speaker 1>how time passes. We talked on the podcast once about

0:46:22.520 --> 0:46:26.320
<v Speaker 1>gravitational time dilation. Anytime you're in a place where space

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.080
<v Speaker 1>is curved, your clock moves more slowly, and so, for example,

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>if you go through this wormhole, it might be that

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.919
<v Speaker 1>your clock slows down. And so even though you can

0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>pass through the wormhole in what feels to you like

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:40.520
<v Speaker 1>an instant, to someone on the outside, you would slow

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:43.880
<v Speaker 1>down and almost freeze as you pass through the wormhole,

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and then when you come at the other side, you'd

0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>be moving super slow in time. Also, according to their calculations.

0:46:49.920 --> 0:46:53.000
<v Speaker 1>You can't actually get from one place to another faster

0:46:53.120 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 1>than light would have gone because of these time dilation

0:46:56.120 --> 0:46:58.800
<v Speaker 1>effects I see. So, like, if I have the opening

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of a wormhole in front of me, and you go

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.839
<v Speaker 1>through it, and I should have flashlight to the other end,

0:47:02.880 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 1>which is like maybe a couple of miles away, you're saying,

0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:08.520
<v Speaker 1>my light, my flashlight would actually get there, like I

0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:11.799
<v Speaker 1>could have gone there faster without going through the wormhole exactly.

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So in that sense, they're theoretically awesome, but totally useless.

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.719
<v Speaker 1>The time dilation effect, which is really a pretty big deal.

0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's like a very important piece of fine print. Right, Like,

0:47:22.960 --> 0:47:24.840
<v Speaker 1>so I would I would flash my flashlight and I

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:26.359
<v Speaker 1>would see you go in, but then I would see

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>you sort of freeze at the mouth of it, kind

0:47:29.239 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 1>of right, sort of like you freeze when you fall

0:47:30.880 --> 0:47:33.160
<v Speaker 1>into a black hole. At least to the people outside

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 1>of the black hole, I would see you just get

0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 1>stuck in the hole. Yeah. Wow, that is the least

0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:43.200
<v Speaker 1>useful wormhole ever. Yeah, exactly. It's like a Star Trek teleporter,

0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:45.439
<v Speaker 1>but they just freeze you into a block of ice

0:47:45.480 --> 0:47:47.399
<v Speaker 1>and then put you on a carrier ship. And like

0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:49.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, ship you over there and thaw you out.

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:51.840
<v Speaker 1>So it's not very useful at all. No, No, I

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 1>mean I would never see you go through, right, is

0:47:53.680 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 1>that what you're saying that? Or would just be super slow,

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.120
<v Speaker 1>but time we actually freeze, it would just be super slow.

0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:01.319
<v Speaker 1>The time doesn't actually freeze actually stop, but it would

0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:03.759
<v Speaker 1>take you longer to go through the wormhole than if

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you went around the wormhole. What if I just make

0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:10.759
<v Speaker 1>it bigger. Well, the time dialation effect gets stronger as

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:15.120
<v Speaker 1>the wormhole gets more powerful because the curvature increases. I see,

0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>all right, So that's another problem, is that it's not

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.680
<v Speaker 1>useful at all. But I guess the point is that,

0:48:20.800 --> 0:48:22.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, time doesn't slow down for the person going

0:48:22.920 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 1>through the tunnel, So like the person going through the

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:28.120
<v Speaker 1>tunnel to another galaxy, it would just be like a breeze,

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:31.560
<v Speaker 1>except you wouldn't have to be asleep or cryogenic sleep

0:48:31.600 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>for like thousands or millions of years. Yeah. Just like

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:36.839
<v Speaker 1>if you somehow got up to the speed of light

0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.279
<v Speaker 1>traveling across the galaxy would seem to you like it

0:48:39.280 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't take very much time because for you the galaxy

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>would be low Renz contracted it would be like shortened,

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:46.560
<v Speaker 1>so it doesn't seem like you're going as far. So

0:48:46.719 --> 0:48:49.880
<v Speaker 1>for you you could survive travel to really really distant

0:48:49.920 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 1>parts of the galaxy. It's just that if you walk

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>through the wormhole and then you came back, you know,

0:48:53.880 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 1>millions of years might have passed. So you know, say

0:48:56.600 --> 0:48:59.120
<v Speaker 1>goodbye to your family before you step in. Yeah, or

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:01.200
<v Speaker 1>say hello to your great great great great great great

0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>great great grandchildren when you come out the other end. Yeah,

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 1>if you're so lucky. So what are some of the

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>other problems. Well, another problem is the temperature. You know,

0:49:09.040 --> 0:49:12.319
<v Speaker 1>as you fall into this wormhole, you're accelerated by the

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:15.720
<v Speaker 1>curvature of space. So they did this calculation in this paper,

0:49:15.880 --> 0:49:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and you get like an energy boost of a factor

0:49:18.120 --> 0:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>of two trillion, So a particle gets like really sped

0:49:21.960 --> 0:49:24.560
<v Speaker 1>up as it enters. So one has this other quote newspaper,

0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>which I found hilarious. He says, so one would have

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.000
<v Speaker 1>to put the huge black hole inside a refrigerator in

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 1>order to prevent this. So not only is he speculating

0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 1>about a three thousand light year wide wormhole, but a

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:40.360
<v Speaker 1>refrigerator that you could put that entire wormhole into. I

0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:42.719
<v Speaker 1>feel like, my freezer is a black hole in my

0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.960
<v Speaker 1>kitchen right now. But you're saying like that it does

0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:46.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of act like a black hole, and that like

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.200
<v Speaker 1>if you're near the mouth of the wormhole, it would

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>suck you in kind of that's what you're saying, and

0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:54.120
<v Speaker 1>accelerate you to fast speeds, and you'll be fast in

0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 1>your frame of reference. Right from the outside, you would

0:49:56.719 --> 0:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>still be time slowed down, so you wouldn't be moving

0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:01.160
<v Speaker 1>that fast from some but else's point of view, But

0:50:01.280 --> 0:50:03.240
<v Speaker 1>from your point of view, you would be moving quickly

0:50:03.440 --> 0:50:06.240
<v Speaker 1>towards the mouth of the wormhole, which would be very exciting.

0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Like that would make it fun, right, you'd be like, wow,

0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.120
<v Speaker 1>makes for a better ride. But you're saying the problem

0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.160
<v Speaker 1>is that that danger is somehow to be moving that

0:50:14.200 --> 0:50:16.360
<v Speaker 1>fast or are you saying like we would heat up somehow.

0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:19.719
<v Speaker 1>You're basically giving a high temperature to these objects, and

0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 1>you might not worry about that because you know, like

0:50:21.800 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 1>energy is frame dependent. I'm not moving at any speed

0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 1>in my reference frame. Somebody flying by me near the

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 1>speed of light sees me moving at almost a speed

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:32.000
<v Speaker 1>of light, So you could argue that I have like

0:50:32.040 --> 0:50:35.080
<v Speaker 1>a very high temperature in that frame of reference. Doesn't

0:50:35.080 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>bother me at all in my frame because I see

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:41.080
<v Speaker 1>myself as moving at zero velocity, So temperature and energy

0:50:41.080 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 1>are sort of frame dependent and so not necessarily something

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I think you should worry about. I just enjoy thinking

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:50.239
<v Speaker 1>about a three thousand light year wide refrigerator. He's not

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:52.560
<v Speaker 1>just the smartest man on Earth. He's also pretty funny,

0:50:52.719 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I guess. But wouldn't you slow down when you come

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.239
<v Speaker 1>out the other end, like as you come out with

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 1>this blinding speed, would in the other mouth of the

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:02.200
<v Speaker 1>wormhole slow you down, like try to suck you back in. Yeah,

0:51:02.280 --> 0:51:04.320
<v Speaker 1>sort of like rolling down a hill on a roller coaster,

0:51:04.360 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you roll up the other side, so you

0:51:06.680 --> 0:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>gain speed as you fall in, and then you lose

0:51:09.040 --> 0:51:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the speed as you come out. And so in theory,

0:51:11.080 --> 0:51:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, sort of like jumping through a hole in

0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the earth, you should come out the other side with

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:17.080
<v Speaker 1>no velocity, right right, And so then they would have

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 1>to make the black hole big enough not just to

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.360
<v Speaker 1>fit you, but also for you to raise your hands

0:51:21.440 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 1>right like in a roller coaster for the thrill exactly,

0:51:24.480 --> 0:51:26.560
<v Speaker 1>And they have to put a camera somewhere to capture

0:51:27.200 --> 0:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and as you go in and then sell it to

0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:32.239
<v Speaker 1>you for fifty dollars on the other side. All right, well,

0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:34.799
<v Speaker 1>so warmos are possible, and it might be possible to

0:51:34.800 --> 0:51:36.879
<v Speaker 1>make one and keep one open and make one big

0:51:36.960 --> 0:51:39.080
<v Speaker 1>enough for us to fit in, but it requires some

0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.359
<v Speaker 1>of these sort of extreme theories and some of these

0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of extreme theoretical concepts to be true. So, Daniel,

0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:45.680
<v Speaker 1>what does it all mean? What does it mean about

0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:48.480
<v Speaker 1>our understanding about how space works? It's a really exciting

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>feel to try to keep up with because people are

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:53.880
<v Speaker 1>really like playing with what space can do, and every

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.880
<v Speaker 1>time they develop one of these theories, they get like

0:51:55.960 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>more insight into like what space is and how it works,

0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:01.520
<v Speaker 1>and sort of sort of like space engineering, you know,

0:52:01.600 --> 0:52:04.239
<v Speaker 1>or spacetime engineering. I think it's pretty fun stuff. And

0:52:04.280 --> 0:52:06.879
<v Speaker 1>there's an idea like around the edges of this which

0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.879
<v Speaker 1>has been bubbling around in theoretical physics for a long time,

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 1>which I think is really deep and it's connected to this,

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 1>and that's the idea that space itself might be built

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.120
<v Speaker 1>using wormholes, like we talked earlier about how space is

0:52:19.160 --> 0:52:21.440
<v Speaker 1>connected and this piece is connected to that piece, and

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 1>you know you are in a part of space you

0:52:23.160 --> 0:52:25.000
<v Speaker 1>can go to the part of space that's next to you.

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 1>You can't just jump from here to Alpha Centauri. There's

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:31.080
<v Speaker 1>this connectedness in space. People don't really understand what that

0:52:31.239 --> 0:52:33.880
<v Speaker 1>is or how it works. One idea of what space

0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:36.640
<v Speaker 1>is is that maybe it's these like little space pixels

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>that are somehow woven together to make this fabric of space.

0:52:40.239 --> 0:52:44.759
<v Speaker 1>And the thing that does that weaving, perhaps is quantum entanglement.

0:52:44.920 --> 0:52:47.360
<v Speaker 1>Like maybe this bit of space is entangled with that

0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.319
<v Speaker 1>bit of space, And it might just be that at

0:52:49.360 --> 0:52:53.400
<v Speaker 1>the fundamental level that entanglement is accomplished by wormholes. Like

0:52:53.520 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe the idea is keep a wormhole open by quantum

0:52:57.239 --> 0:53:00.720
<v Speaker 1>entangling its edges. Maybe that's the way wormholes are. Maybe

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 1>all of the universe, every bit of space, is just

0:53:03.480 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>like a bunch of wormholes connected together. Every pixel wormhold

0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:10.320
<v Speaker 1>together with all of its neighboring pixels. Well, it's crazy

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:12.800
<v Speaker 1>you're saying, Like, instead of space being this giant blob

0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:15.320
<v Speaker 1>or something, maybe it's just a whole bunch of little

0:53:15.320 --> 0:53:18.640
<v Speaker 1>blobs that are pixel size, which is the smallest unit

0:53:18.640 --> 0:53:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of space, and they're all sort of a threat together

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:24.400
<v Speaker 1>by wormholes. Yeah, otherwise they would all just be disconnected,

0:53:24.400 --> 0:53:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and maybe the whole idea of space as this like

0:53:27.000 --> 0:53:30.120
<v Speaker 1>a thing you can move through, comes out of weaving

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.920
<v Speaker 1>space together into this fabric. And it might be the

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.760
<v Speaker 1>wormholes are the things that weave it together, that connect

0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:37.919
<v Speaker 1>various pieces of space, and so that if we try

0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to build a wormhole between like our space and some

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:42.960
<v Speaker 1>space somewhere in Alpha Centauri, it could be a very

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.400
<v Speaker 1>natural thing to do, because what we're doing is like

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>just sort of like engineering the fundamental structure of space

0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:51.400
<v Speaker 1>time itself interesting. You just need like a special quantum

0:53:51.400 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 1>needle exactly, and and entangled threats exactly, weaving singularities so

0:53:56.480 --> 0:53:58.839
<v Speaker 1>it space might be all wormholes basically, right like when

0:53:58.880 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I move from here to my house or here to

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom, actually sort of like weaving through tiny little

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>wormholes all the time. It certainly could be all right. Well,

0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I guess these are all pretty exciting ideas and and

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<v Speaker 1>makes me think that maybe it is possible to get

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<v Speaker 1>to other parts of the universe using wormholes. It sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like it's theoretically possible, and there are some pretty smart

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<v Speaker 1>people thinking about how to make one and keep one

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<v Speaker 1>open exactly. It's a really fun area and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>sure that in a hundred years people look back at

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<v Speaker 1>these ideas and think, oh, those were foolish, naive ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>But these are the ideas along the path to figuring

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<v Speaker 1>it out. You can't just go from here to a

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<v Speaker 1>deep understanding of the universe. You've got to somehow assemble

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<v Speaker 1>that understanding. You gotta go step by step. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we're on step one of an unknown number of steps. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and all we need is three thousand light year y

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<v Speaker 1>hole using dark matter, which we we don't understand yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Inside refrigerator. All right, Well, thanks for joining us. We

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<v Speaker 1>hope you enjoyed that. See you next time. Yeah, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for listening, and remember that. Daniel and Jorge Explain the

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