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Speaker 2: Related to that, and Kristen Caroline past hosts, have done

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Speaker 1: You by the Reinvented twenty twelve, Camri, It's ready. Are

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Speaker 5: From Houstuffworks dot com.

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking about a topic that is very

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Speaker 5: I am a big geek and I did not know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you learn all sorts of things about me.

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Speaker 1: I read romance novel I wanted to be an archaeologist,

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Speaker 1: and it's all because of Indiana Jones. Let's be honest.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it was.

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Speaker 1: As a kid, I watched a Temple of Doom. I

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Speaker 1: and when they're crawling through that roach cave. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: And I was convinced of this up and through up

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Speaker 5: Quick question, though, did you wear a lot of khaki

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Speaker 1: I didn't shoot shoot, No, I wear camo instead. Okay, No,

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Speaker 1: I took an anthropology class. I was determined that I

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Speaker 1: I was with it. Learned about monkeys and I was there,

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Speaker 5: And your professor did not look like Harrison Ford.

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Speaker 1: No, shockingly no, and neither did my ta. But I

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Speaker 6: Well, now you know even more about archaeology, though, Caroline,

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Speaker 6: because you have dug up yep, you dug up a

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Speaker 6: Indeed, and books on women in archaeology are also rare,

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Speaker 6: and we are pulling from three primary books. This one

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Speaker 1: But Cheryl class and who we mentioned at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: Well, Kathleen Kenyon is very famous. She actually didn't start

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Speaker 1: There's space, space, archaeology, moon excavation, moon castles.

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Speaker 5: We've got one from Zoe and.

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Speaker 6: This is in response to our episode on prom. Zoe writes,

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Speaker 6: I'm still in high school and have not yet experienced

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Speaker 6: the prom, although in my school it's just called I

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Speaker 6: live in a very rural community in Canada, and most

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Speaker 6: what I gather, our graduation banquet is going to be

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Speaker 6: a campfire barbecue in the woods somewhere, and the.

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Speaker 5: Dance will probably end up at the rodeo grounds.

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Speaker 6: One of my friends was actually looking up camouflage print dresses.

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Speaker 6: Another great plan that I've heard from the two boys

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Speaker 6: in my class is that they're going to wear Carhart

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Speaker 6: Farm clothes and show up in a grain truck or

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Speaker 5: Which I think is way cooler than a stretch hummer,

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Speaker 5: Limo and Zoe, I do agree with that.

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Speaker 6: I find it really annoying how PROM is marketed to

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Speaker 6: teens through movies, TV and team romance novels.

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Speaker 5: Where it's blasphemy to make a light of the prom.

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Speaker 6: You can easily tell that it has really affected teen

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Speaker 6: culture by the way, the majority of the girls in

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Speaker 6: my class object to these ideas.

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Speaker 5: They obviously expect.

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Speaker 6: PROM to be the super romantic, extravagant event that they

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Speaker 6: going to side with the boys, don't take it so seriously,

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Speaker 6: and just to have some fun while it lasts.

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Speaker 1: And this is from Dawn about our episode on having

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Speaker 1: intently to that episode because I have a nine year

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Speaker 1: truth about how babies are made. He is known for

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Speaker 1: he was seven, he said, yes, I know that, but

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Speaker 1: how does the transfer take place? He's very detail oriented.

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Speaker 1: We told him he'd have to wait until he was

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Speaker 1: books I'd like to recommend to listeners which I learned

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Speaker 1: about in library school. Robbie Harris has several books that

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Speaker 1: of great illustrations and humorous discussion between a bird and

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Speaker 5: Good to hear that she is prepped. Yeah, prepped for

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