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Speaker 1: Welcome into another episode of the Official Colts Podcast, presented

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Speaker 1: by When That. I'm JJ Stankovitz, joined here by Matt

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Speaker 1: Taylor and Lara Overton as we recap the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: two NFL Draft. The Colts made eight picks over the weekend,

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Speaker 1: eight new players coming into the horse Shoe. Later on

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Speaker 1: in the podcast, we had a chance to talk with

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Speaker 1: ESPN analyst Matt Bowen about the Colts draft class. And

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Speaker 1: Bowen went to Glenbard West. He's from glen Ellen, Illinois.

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Speaker 1: guys just talking about our overall takeaways from the Colts draft.

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Speaker 1: And Lara, I want to tee you up because you've

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Speaker 1: overall takeaway from this class. I was really impressed that

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Speaker 1: we wanted to develop him behind the scenes, like you are.

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Speaker 1: That kind of sets a timer on Matt Ryan in

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Speaker 1: a way that like you were just saying, Matt, the

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Speaker 1: Colts don't believe is the case for Matt Ryan. And

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Speaker 1: you know, you this is an exceptionally odd year for

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks because you know, I think when the Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: traded up to number twelve, I'm sitting there thinking, here

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Speaker 1: comes Malik Willis. Matt Ryan buys you way more time

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Speaker 1: than you thought you had in February and March. And look,

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Speaker 1: the Colts were not the only team in the NFL

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Speaker 1: that didn't think these quarterbacks were worth taking in the

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Speaker 1: second round, because no team took a quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: second and when that happens, the league is generally right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickott was the only quarterback to be taken in

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Speaker 1: the first seventy picks of the NFL Draft twenty shocker

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Speaker 1: goes to Pittsburgh. I mean he played college football at Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: It's like, did you know that Pittsburgh University of Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: and Steelers shared the same workout facility. Because I didn't

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Speaker 1: see that story at all over the Yeah right, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: wait to see that every But good for him. It's

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Speaker 1: it's a cool story, really cool story. We're not here

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Speaker 1: to talk about Kenny Pickett, though, we are here to

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Speaker 1: talk about Nick Cross. The second thing I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you guys about were you surprised that the Colts

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Speaker 1: traded away a twenty twenty three third round pick to

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Speaker 1: move back into the third round get aggressive and take

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Speaker 1: Nick Cross? No, because there are plenty ways you can

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Speaker 1: get that back later. There's a lot of worth that

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Speaker 1: you can do over the next twelve months to maybe

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Speaker 1: get that pick back in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 1: So it was not, by the way, it was not

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Speaker 1: the conditional third round pick the Colts got from Washington

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Speaker 1: and the Carson Wentz trade. So important to note that's

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Speaker 1: something that there's a lot of ways you can kind

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Speaker 1: of take care of that business a little bit later. No,

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Speaker 1: I think that they saw such rare talent in Nick Cross. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy that they thought was on the radar,

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Speaker 1: or certainly not thought was it certainly was on the

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Speaker 1: radar in that round too, So they couldn't you already

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Speaker 1: had him slip to you this so much while you

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Speaker 1: were addressing other needs and able to grab other guys.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't run the risk of letting him fall, you know,

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Speaker 1: past you, if you didn't make that move took him

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Speaker 1: up and get him. That's something I talked again with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Rodgers about because Kevin is just so dialed in

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Speaker 1: and he was the one who was on the phone

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Speaker 1: making that call with Denver to get the deal done

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Speaker 1: in you know, the final minutes with the Colts on

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Speaker 1: the clock or I guess with Denver on the clock,

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Speaker 1: fourth Coults gone on all of that. But yeah, they

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Speaker 1: did not want to let this guy slip by. And

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Speaker 1: it was And I kind of joked with Kevin, I said,

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Speaker 1: did that remind you of anything? He said, yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was reminiscent of jt. Not that we're saying Nick Cross

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Speaker 1: is Jonathan Taylor, but it was. It was just the

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Speaker 1: type of mindset where, hey, we have an opportunity. We

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Speaker 1: have a bit of money, not money, but we have

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Speaker 1: a bit of capital here, you know that we can

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Speaker 1: bargain with to get this done. Why not do it now?

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Speaker 1: We'll figure it out later if we need to, you know,

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Speaker 1: finagle and maybe add some more picks later on. Because

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Speaker 1: when does Chris Ballard not had picks in a draft? Right?

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Speaker 1: I mean the Colts had Nick Cross as a second

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Speaker 1: with a second round grade on him. So trading a

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Speaker 1: future third is in a way, if you have a

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Speaker 1: second round graded, I mean you're trading a future third.

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Speaker 1: You're getting really good value there, matey, last one here.

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Speaker 1: How surprised are you that the Colts didn't draft a

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Speaker 1: cornerback until the last pick they made two hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty ninth overall in the seventh round in yeahs Rodney

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Speaker 1: Thomas the second a little, but I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was a major deal. You know, cornerbacks one of those positions,

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Speaker 1: like we talked about, it's it always makes good sense

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Speaker 1: to replenish that in the draft if best player available

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Speaker 1: in corner, overlap or intersect. You know, attrition rate is

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Speaker 1: pretty high at that spot, so it's always something to

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Speaker 1: be concerned over. I mean inevitably, you know, halfway through

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Speaker 1: this season you're gonna need depth there. But Thomas is

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Speaker 1: a guy who's versatile enough to play on special teams.

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Speaker 1: He'll compete to make the roster with guys like Marvel

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Speaker 1: Tell and Anthony Chesley who played a lot last year.

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Speaker 1: So I think the Colts truly picked best player available

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Speaker 1: on their board on Day three, not that they didn't

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Speaker 1: on Day two, but I think based on how things fell,

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Speaker 1: they just stuck to their board and they got a

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Speaker 1: good football player there and Thomas, and they've got good

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Speaker 1: football players at those positions at corner coming into this season.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, a little bit surprised, but not much because

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Speaker 1: corner is one of those positions like defensive end, linebacker, corner.

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Speaker 1: It's always good to have depth and guys that can

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Speaker 1: play at a high level on rookie contracts. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean a ton of corners went off the board between

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Speaker 1: the ninety sixth pick where the Colts traded up to

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Speaker 1: go get their guy and Nick Cross, and then when

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Speaker 1: they picked again at one fifty nine. You know, guys

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Speaker 1: on here, I'm just looking at the list, like Damari

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Speaker 1: Mathis from Pitt Jalen Armor Davis from Alabama, Caleb Evans

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Speaker 1: from Miszoo, you know, Zion McCall from sand Houston State,

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Speaker 1: Tarik Woolen from UTSA. There's a lot of corners that

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Speaker 1: went off the board in the fourth round and then

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Speaker 1: into the fifth round. So again you stick with your board.

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily draft for positions, especially you know, if

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Speaker 1: there isn't a tie breaker there and the Colts at corner,

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Speaker 1: you got to find Gilmour, Kennymore the second, Brandon Fason,

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Rodgers kind of as your top four there, and

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Speaker 1: then a lot of other guys who can compete and

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Speaker 1: still plenty of time to add other guys whether it's undrafted,

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Speaker 1: free agency or veteran free agency. Let's get in to

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Speaker 1: Matt Bowen here, really really interesting stuff breaking down the

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Speaker 1: Colts draft class. I learned a lot talking to Matt.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully you learn a lot listening to this, so take

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Speaker 1: a listen, all right. I'm thrilled to be welcome on

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Speaker 1: the Official Colts podcast by Matt Bowen, NFL writer and

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Speaker 1: analyst for ESPN. You can see all of his work

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00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: on ESPN. Plus he's on NFL Matchup during the season

544
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Speaker 1: and a guy who is from glen Ellen, Illinois, which

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Speaker 1: is relevant year because that is where Alec pierces from.

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Speaker 1: Matt Bowen played his high school football at Glenbard West.

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Speaker 1: Alec Pierce played his high school football at Glenbard West,

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Speaker 1: So we've got a little bit of a connection here, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me on. Guys,

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Speaker 1: how are you? We're great And I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you when Alec Pierce first got on your radar? You

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Speaker 1: watched him in high school? What do you remember about

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Speaker 1: him as a player and the kind of offense that

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Speaker 1: he was in at Glenbard West, Well, Glenbard West, Okay

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Speaker 1: now Glombar West, the power Base office. I'm jj that

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Speaker 1: what it was in nineteen ninety four when I was there,

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Speaker 1: power bass, play action. You know, Alex played almost like

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Speaker 1: a like a tight end flex tight end position for

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Speaker 1: coach Chad had lived there and I did watch him

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Speaker 1: play in high school. You have to understand extremely athletic

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Speaker 1: at the high school level, a multiple sport athlete, you know,

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Speaker 1: recruited by a bunch of schools in the Midwest. I

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Speaker 1: know the family extremely well, extremely athletic family is His

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Speaker 1: older brother was a college basketball player, His younger brother, Kayden,

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Speaker 1: just won a state championship with Glamar Western Basketball. He's

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Speaker 1: going to play at Princeton. So extremely athletic family, an

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Speaker 1: upstanding family, and a high character family. And you watched

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Speaker 1: him to high school. You could tell right then he

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Speaker 1: had the athletic traits and maybe move on and play

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Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, or you take him to a

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Speaker 1: program that you know develops him and grows his body

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Speaker 1: and put him as a tight end or you know,

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Speaker 1: a tight end that complexes to stop. There's no question

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Speaker 1: about his athletic traits, what he can do as a

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Speaker 1: multiple sport athlete. And you saw a player at the

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Speaker 1: time who had an extremely high ceiling because of his

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Speaker 1: work ethic, his overall football character, his character off the field,

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Speaker 1: and what he could do from a football perspective. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned multi sport athlete. He played volleyball, he ran track

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Speaker 1: and then obviously played football as well. His dad the

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Speaker 1: college football player at Northwestern. His mom played volleyball at Northwest.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of joked with him, I said, who

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Speaker 1: do you attribute for giving you more of your strong

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Speaker 1: athletic jeans And he laughed, He's like, you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: got to give credit to my dad being the football

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Speaker 1: guy he's like, But I really think that it's it's

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Speaker 1: probably my mom because she's so well rounded as an athlete.

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Speaker 1: And that versatility has proven to be such an asset

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Speaker 1: for him because when he started at Cincinnati, he came

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Speaker 1: back or was playing linebacker, contributing on special teams before

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Speaker 1: developing into a routine contributor in the offense as a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver. How much does that multifaceted sport background his versatility.

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Speaker 1: How much do you attribute that to the growth that

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Speaker 1: he had at Cincinnati and how that will lend itself

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Speaker 1: to his contribution and his development at the pro level. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a great discussion to have. You know,

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Speaker 1: I coached at the high school level here in Chicaglery

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Speaker 1: an icy Catholic Prep, and being a multi sport athlete

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Speaker 1: is one of my biggest things. When it comes to

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Speaker 1: the offseason with our players, I always focused on you

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Speaker 1: getting on the basketball court, getting on the wrestling and

602
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Speaker 1: then in the spring, you know, doing your spring sports. One.

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Speaker 1: I think, especially with Alex, you're seeing how the athletic

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Speaker 1: traits translate right when you play different sports. You work

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Speaker 1: on different movement traits. You're training yourself to be an

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Speaker 1: explosive athlete in different movements. You're being coached by different voices.

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Speaker 1: That's a big thing too as a young athlete to

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Speaker 1: be coached by different voices and be put and did

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Speaker 1: for different adverse situations. That's what sports is about. And

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Speaker 1: when you are a multi sport athlete, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: you don't specialize in one sport and max out in

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Speaker 1: one sports. You have a higher ceiling. You have a

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Speaker 1: much higher ceiling as an athlete because when you get

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Speaker 1: to the college level, as you just brought up, and

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Speaker 1: you have Verse Toody, played multiple multiple positions, have a

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Speaker 1: play strength to contribute on special teams, that tells you

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Speaker 1: haven't reached your ceiling as an athlete. You are not

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Speaker 1: maxed out as a player yet. And that's what you

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Speaker 1: want to recruit and that's what you want to draft.

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Speaker 1: Because we use this term development all the time and

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Speaker 1: it's great. It's easy to say, I say, I've said

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Speaker 1: it a thousand times this draft process, right, but what

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Speaker 1: does it really mean in terms of your athletic profile?

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Speaker 1: And someone like Alex that means that he has not

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Speaker 1: reached his sealing, Yet he's still going to develop and

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Speaker 1: grow as a professional athlete. And that's what you want

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Speaker 1: when you're drafting early on Day two at the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver position. If I can pick up there, Matt, certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know Alec very very well, as you said, from

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Speaker 1: his high school days. You watched a lot of film

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Speaker 1: on him in college making this transition from Cincinnati to

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Speaker 1: the NFL. With what you just said, what areas will

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Speaker 1: you have to fine tune? What areas will he have

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Speaker 1: to improve in to continue at the level that the

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Speaker 1: Cults need him to produce that next season as a rookie. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that you know, it's a great question. I

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Speaker 1: think that also comes with repetition, right and having pro

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Speaker 1: reps in practice in the preseason and obviously into the

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Speaker 1: regular season. What do you want to see with Alec?

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Speaker 1: Who you know? Want to look at Alec? He is

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Speaker 1: I use the term of boundary at so he can

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Speaker 1: play into the boundary, create isolation matchups for you. And

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Speaker 1: he has the versatility like we've been talking about, to

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Speaker 1: play inside as that slot target, as number two to

645
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Speaker 1: three to trips. He's at his best when he's on

646
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: the move. We know he's a vertical stress target. I

647
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: think for his improvement is gonna be going against NFL

648
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: press coverage if you can say that about a lot

649
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Speaker 1: of rookie body receivers. Now, Alex has the foot quickness

650
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: to create separation there off the line of scrimmas, but

651
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to develop more nuance there, and again

652
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Speaker 1: that's going against pro competition, and you develop that by

653
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Speaker 1: doing it. That's the number one thing we again going

654
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Speaker 1: back to development, something that you can talk about, but

655
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: you have to do it, and Alec will do that

656
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: at the top of the route. Sometimes with longer athletes,

657
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: and this is predominantly most longer athletes who have six

658
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: foot two, six foot three, six four frames, there will

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00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: be some lower body tightness when he gets to the

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Speaker 1: top of the stam at the top of the break

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00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: because you are a longer athlete. But again that can

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Speaker 1: be improved when you're talking about manipulating coverage and setting

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00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: up coverage. Going back through game reps, he can develop

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Speaker 1: more nuanced one at the line of scrimmage at the

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Speaker 1: top of the break to overcome that lower body titus

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Speaker 1: because that's part of who he is as an athlete.

667
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: But in terms of what you see in the tape

668
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: and the game breaking ability, the toughness to play straits,

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Speaker 1: what he can do inside the red zone. I mean

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00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: that has to be discussed. I mean, if you're Matt

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00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: Ryan right now, you're kind of excited because now you

672
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: have another wide receiver you can go up and make plays.

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: You climb the ladder, has the body control to adjust

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Speaker 1: the football and has finished on so many plays at

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Speaker 1: the college level, which will transition to the pro game. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You brought up something there, Matt, that I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you about, because when you wrote your best

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Speaker 1: of series before the NFL Draft, you wrote that Alec

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Speaker 1: Pierce had the best red zone ability in this year's

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Speaker 1: NFL draft. And when you think about his size and

681
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: his frame and his skill set, I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you this, Matt, how does he how does he fit

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Speaker 1: with Michael Pittman Junior? Because they seem to be similar

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Speaker 1: in body size, but they're not necessarily similar players, right right?

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Speaker 1: And I agree. You know, when I look at Michael Pittman,

686
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Speaker 1: you look at the physical profile, the physical traits he has,

687
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: and that's a big part of what they do in

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Speaker 1: that offense. You know, if you look at Frank Regin's

689
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: offense a lot of crossers, a lot of overs, a

690
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: lot of inbreakers, a lot of play action throws when

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00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: the ball is out, and Michael Pittman can make plays

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00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: in tight windows right, he can post up defensive backs,

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Speaker 1: he can stretch you vertically down the field. I think

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Speaker 1: with Alec he's even better on the move. And I

695
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: wrote down when I wrote a report on him this

696
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: year is when you get him on the move and

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00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: he catches the football one he's a little linear after

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Speaker 1: the catch, which is understandable because of his athletic profile.

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Speaker 1: But I do think he brings more of a vertical

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Speaker 1: stretch ability than Michael Pittman. Now, if that Michael Pittman

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Speaker 1: can't get down the field, we know it can. But

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Speaker 1: in terms of true vertical stretch ability, I think Alec

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Speaker 1: is a difference maker there for this offense. His ability

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Speaker 1: to play in the slot. It's not something that he

705
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Speaker 1: was asked to do a whole lot at Cincinnati. They

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Speaker 1: usually went with kind of smaller guys there, but it's

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Speaker 1: something he said he's excited to get in there. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard mentioned over the weekend that the Colts kind

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00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: of view Pierce as a guy can do some of

710
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: the things that Zach Pascal did in the run game.

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00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: Just kind of that big, physical, tough guy who can block.

712
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: And when you're a team that has Jonathan Taylor, you

713
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Speaker 1: know that's something you need to take into consideration. How

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Speaker 1: does he profile if he does kind of slide into

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Speaker 1: the slot in this offense. Well, start with the pass

716
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: game first, and as you all know down in Indianapolis,

717
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: very split safety heavy on the defensive side of the

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Speaker 1: football for your football team. Well that's the league right now.

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00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: The league is becoming more split safety heavy because they

720
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: want to put, you know, a top on the secondary

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Speaker 1: so they can try to limit explosive players. This league

722
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Speaker 1: right now is about limiting it supposed to players in

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Speaker 1: creating explosive plays. So defenses are more too deeper quarters

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Speaker 1: every Well, when you have a slot receiver like Alec

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Speaker 1: and we're not to calling him a true slot, when

726
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: you bump him inside the slot, that gives you size

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Speaker 1: in the middle fields, that allows you to tact in

728
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: middle fields. That's where the weakness hits. When he can

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00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: split the safeties down the middle field, we can use

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Speaker 1: that profile as we saw with jumping forty inches to

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Speaker 1: go off and catch the football or to body up

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: a safety down the field. That gives you a matchup

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Speaker 1: weapon inside. There's no question about it. Can a linebacker

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Speaker 1: matching carrying without paris that's a pretty tough assignment when

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Speaker 1: you're playing zone defense. In terms of the run game,

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Speaker 1: I fully understand why they draft them because of their

737
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: offensive profile into because they want to be run heavy,

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Speaker 1: used to plash and passing game right, we need wide

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: receivers can block. It's not just saying good block, you

740
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: have to do it. It's not just being a willing block.

741
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: There's a lot of willing blockers at every level football.

742
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: That's a coach. I can block for you in the

743
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: run game and then they get knocked out right. So

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00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: you have to be a guy who has the physical traits.

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00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,720
Speaker 1: You have to be a little nasty with your hands,

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Speaker 1: and you have to be able to latch on to linebackers,

747
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: crack inside and saints he's and create running lanes and

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00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: want to do that, want that to be part of

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Speaker 1: your profile as a players. Look, I'm a complete player

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00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: at the wide receiver position. I can stretch you down

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00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: the field. I can catch the ball and get loose

752
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: out a crosser, I can what the safeties from the

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00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: slop position, and I can also block for one of

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00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: the best running backs in the National Football League with

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00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: one of the best offensive lines in the National Football League.

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00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Matt looking big picture at this draft, even without a

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00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: first round pick, the Colts were able to address a

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Speaker 1: lot of needs with some guys who do have unique talent,

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00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: specific skills and traits that they were looking for. When

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Speaker 1: you look at Day two, led by of course drafting

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Speaker 1: Alet Pierce and then the tight end Gelani Woods and

762
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: then Bernard Ryman out of Central Michigan in particular with

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Speaker 1: where they targeted those first three picks within the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two draft, how well does this fit the Colts

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00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: not only where you needed to address a few positions,

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Speaker 1: but also guys who can be immediate impact players with

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00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: what you were able to do despite not having a

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Speaker 1: Day one selection. Well, I would add, Nick Cross had discussion. Sure, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really I really like Nick Cross in terms of

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00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: the college state at Maryland. And again, I always look

771
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: at this so when I'm watching prospects, obviously you focus

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00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: in the trades, right, the traits are very important because

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Speaker 1: that gets you drafted. You know, size, speed, and college

774
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: production gets you drafted, but also schemes specific players. You

775
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: have to look at the trades and how they're deployed

776
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 1: within your system. Nick Cross is a perfect example of

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00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: someone who fits exactly what they want on the safety

778
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: position Indianapolis. He's got explosive forward ability that means you

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00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: can drive top down the football from cover two or

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00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: quarters or playing in the post. He has the ability

781
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: to spin down and plays an overhang or a box defender.

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00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: He makes plays in the football. He's very disruptive, and

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00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: that's what you wanted to safety position with Woods. I

784
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: love the upside. I love the upside just because of

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00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: the size he brings the position, the vertical speed he

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00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: brings the position, his ability to break tackles after the run,

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, as a former safety, I don't

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00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: want to see this guy in the open. You know,

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00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: it's one thing for a tight end to catch the

790
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: football and you chop them down to go to the

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00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: next place. Another thing, when you have a tight end

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00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: who's six ft evan, it can move and we'll run

793
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: through contact. Obviously, there's going to be a transition period

794
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: for him in terms of learning the proposition at tight end.

795
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: But there's ways of Vomber coach with Indie right now

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00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 1: that I could use them in specific game situations to

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00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: scheme him up, especially as Matt Ryan, who gets the

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00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: ball out on time and sees everything before it happens

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Speaker 1: pre snap. He's a veteran quarterback, has been in every

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Speaker 1: situation possible. So can I get Woods to be a

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00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: seam structure form of shirt. Can I get them loose

802
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: underneath and a quick cross or we can catch them go? Yeah,

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00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,359
Speaker 1: I can do that, and you might see situations when

804
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: they get into the red zone where now you have

805
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: three weapons. You have Pippin, you have Pierced, and you

806
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: have Woods. Hard to cover all three. It's hard to

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00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: cover all three from a defensive perspective because you want

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Speaker 1: to take someone away. Well, you can't take three players

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00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: away in one given play, So you couldn't see situations

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00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: or Woods as flex to the backside, as a boundary

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Speaker 1: receiver where you can throw the fadeball, you can throw

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Speaker 1: the slam, get the matchup you want with Raymond. He's

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00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: a former tight end that reminds me of what coach

814
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Speaker 1: Ferris does. Obviously have an Iowa line but coach Ferris

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Speaker 1: does at Iowa and taking tight ends and developing them

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Speaker 1: into offensive linement because what you get with that is

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00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: the footwork. You get athletic footwork, athletic lower base. He

818
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: is masking the run game. He is physical in the

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00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: run game. That fits the profile of this Colts offense.

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Speaker 1: And now you develop them more as a pass protector

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Speaker 1: because you've seen him do it before. You've seen him

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Speaker 1: do it well. As technique kept to increase at the

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Speaker 1: pro level versus pro speed off the ed Sure, sure

824
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: it will, but again as part of the developmental process,

825
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Speaker 1: and you were drafting the traits that he brings, and

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Speaker 1: now you developed him in your system in your offense

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Speaker 1: because he fits what you want to do. Hey, Matt,

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Speaker 1: last one for me. I want to go to Day

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Speaker 1: three of the draft for the Colts and talk about

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Speaker 1: another Cincinnati guy, Curtis Brooks. He had twelve and a

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Speaker 1: half tackles for loss, He had seven and a half

832
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Speaker 1: sacks last year as a defensive lineman, a defensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: But yet he didn't go to the combine. He didn't

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Speaker 1: get drafted until the sixth round. From your estimation, is

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Speaker 1: that just because he's an older guy for a rookie,

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Speaker 1: he's two ninety not three fifteen. Is a three technique?

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Speaker 1: What went into teams kind of staying away from him?

838
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: And how does he fit the Colts in their style

839
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: of play on the defensive line under Gus Bradley. Yeah,

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00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: that's a good question. Well, there's various reasons why guys

841
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: don't get invited to the combine. I was surprised he

842
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: didn't because of the profile of that Cincinnati football team.

843
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: You saw many players got drafted from that team man,

844
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: and he drafted two. That was a tremendous football team,

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Speaker 1: especially on the defensive side of the football. How many

846
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: defensive players got drafted, how well they are coached, the

847
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: play style they show on tape. With Brooks, I think

848
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: he brought a great point. It's the size. You know,

849
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: doesn't have exceptional length at the position in terms of

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00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: his arm length, So there are some traits that are

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00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: missing when you look at the overall profile a defensive tackle.

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00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 1: But turn the tape, I think he's you know, can

853
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 1: be disruptive against the run game. He's got that initial

854
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: first step quickness and if you're playing with the Colts

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00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: that defensive line, you have to burst off the football.

856
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: You want guys to penetrate up the field. That's part

857
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: of that attacking defensive front they have. And with a

858
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: player who doesn't have, you know, exceptional high and explosive traits,

859
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that that matters as much anymore because

860
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: if you look at the Colts defense, or you can

861
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: take the Ravens, we can go throughout the league. All

862
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: these fronts now are schemed and you're creating one on once.

863
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: You're using a lot of stunts and twists to get

864
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: the match if you want interior wise, so Brooks is

865
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: a player that can make the team. He has the

866
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: traits you want for your specific defense, and now you

867
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: scheme them up, you scheme them up in passing situations.

868
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: Maybe he can be an early down run defener. Maybe

869
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: this his first year in the league. He makes the

870
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: club and provides a debt because you're gonna play seventeen games,

871
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: and if you're the Colts, let's be honest, you're not

872
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: just playing for seventeen games. You're playing for twenty. Right.

873
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: If I'm Chris Bouder Frank, right, I'm putting this team

874
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: together play for twenty We're playing for a championship. This year.

875
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: That has to your mindset going in. So I need

876
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: guys that provide depth, and especially the defensive line. You

877
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: need a deep rotation because everyone knows right now what

878
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: the AFC has, and the AFC is loaded. At the

879
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: quarterback position, you need guys that can disrupt the pocket.

880
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I believe he can do that. You're talking about the

881
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Colts playing for twenty games, which is you know certainly

882
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: the goal here. How do you see two specific guys

883
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 1: before you let you get out of here? How do

884
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,479
Speaker 1: you see Frank Reich morphing his offense to fit Matt

885
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: Ryan's skill set? And then the second part is how

886
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: do you cease to find Gilmore fitting in a Gus

887
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: Bradley defense. That's a great question as well. Let's start

888
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: with Gilmore. I think Gilmore can play any defensive one.

889
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: He has scheme transcendent and when I use that term,

890
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: I usually use it for quarterbacks, but it applies to

891
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: defensive players as well. What that means is you can

892
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: function and producing any defensive scheme our Stephanie. Gilmore has

893
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: played a lot of a lot of high level football.

894
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: He's playing in multiple defenses. We know what he did

895
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: in New England, very man heavy defense. I saw him

896
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 1: last year in Carolina, which is a very multiple defense,

897
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: play his own and man. But Gilmore can play on

898
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: the edge for you outside the numbers because right now

899
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: and more, you have the best slot quarter in the

900
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: National Football League. You put him outside because when you

901
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: do play man coverage. This is the thing about any

902
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 1: that people don't discuss enough. And you know, I said

903
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: it earlier in the show here that they are too

904
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: deep heavy, but they will they will eat you up

905
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: on third downs. We saw it last year. They will

906
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: eat up on third downs. Now when Gus Bradley still

907
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: do that, I think there'll be times that he brings

908
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: zone and man pressure. There's no question about it. And

909
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: with Gus you've seen over the years he is still

910
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: going to be covered three base, but he will play

911
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: split safety as well, just like everyone else in the league.

912
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: And with Gilmore, he can play outside the numbers because

913
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: he has backfield vision. And what I mean by that

914
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: is backfield vision. If you're playing off the ball and

915
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: you're in your back pedal, you can read number one

916
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: you're staying on top of the route. You can also

917
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: read inside the number two and you read true number

918
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: two to the quarterback that'll obviously to be a playmaker,

919
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 1: to overlap throws to the middle field, to drive top

920
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 1: down the football, to get a jump in the football.

921
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: There's no question he can fit because you can put

922
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: him in any defense and he will make plays for you.

923
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: In terms of Matt Ryan, I think at this stage

924
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: of his career, the ball is out quick right, and

925
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 1: I think it's what frank Wright wants. Frank Wright wants

926
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 1: heavy play action built off the run game. He wants

927
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: to make the quick throws underneath, and then when you

928
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: want to take your third level shots, you scheme it up.

929
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is you have a two

930
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: man route down the field. Maybe it's Alex Pearson the

931
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 1: deep corner route with Michael Pittman dragging across the field

932
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: and deep over up. You're trying to create a vertical

933
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: window for your quarterback. When he used misterrection and play

934
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: action plus max protection, you're giving a veteran quarterback the

935
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: pocket he needs, and he is, like I said earlier,

936
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: he's seen everything, so he will find those windows and

937
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: deliver the ball on time. That's Matt Bowen from ESPN.

938
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: We really appreciate the knowledge, great stuff as always always

939
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: enjoy talking to you and getting your perspective on things.

940
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: So thanks for joining us here on the Official Cults podcast.

941
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: All Right, you all have a great day. Thank you, Thanks, Matt.

942
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: Appreciate you Matt much, Matt, great stuff. All right, thanks

943
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: again to ESPN's Matt Bowen for joining us here. Let's

944
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: get to the mail bag. Here's the mail it never

945
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: fills and mix me my tail. So we spent a

946
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of time here talking about the first four picks

947
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: the Colts made on day two. Let's talk about day

948
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: three because this question comes from at Sam Bennett twenty

949
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter. Is this a relative of Betsy Bennett? It

950
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: might be Okay, he's a listener, okay and shout out okay,

951
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: he might be. Yeah, this is the problem with yours

952
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: know your wife's maiden name? Is this? It is true.

953
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: This is my cousin or very smart Colts fan who

954
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: asks us what Day three pick has the best chance

955
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: of making the roster for week one. So I wanted

956
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: to use this as a jumping off board to talk

957
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: about some of the Day three pick. So Mattey, let's

958
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: start with you. Who are you taking is the most

959
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: likely Day three pick to make the Colts roster. I'm

960
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: gonna go. Let's see. Of the four guys, I'm gonna go.

961
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Eric Johnson, one hundred and fifty ninth overall defensive tackle

962
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: from Missouri sum I think again he's gonna earn a

963
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: role behind DeForrest Buckner and Grover Stewart. I think he'll

964
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: be competing. You know, as of right now, I hate

965
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: to say that because these guys haven't even showed up

966
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: yet for rookie minicamp and all of that, but again,

967
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: for right now, he's probably on the second team depth

968
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: chart with a guy like Chris Williams, and again, Gus

969
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: Bradley brings that new emphasis to the defense where you're

970
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 1: gonna attack things, get up front. You're not necessarily reading

971
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: and reacting as much as he used to. So I

972
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: think his agility, athleticism, I think that's gonna get him.

973
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: If you're asking me, who's gonna be here week seventeen,

974
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: part of this defense, part of the rotation of the four,

975
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm betting on Eric Johnson because of where he fits

976
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: in the depth chart here in the off season, in

977
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: the spring, behind to Forest Buckner and Grover Stewart. I

978
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: think he has the highest likelihood of seeing impactful minutes

979
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: in time. Of those four, Eric Johnson was Dane Brugler's

980
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: highest rated player in this year's draft to not get

981
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: invited to the NFL Combine. So again it shows you

982
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: don't have to get invited to the Combine to get

983
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: on the radars. Johnson did participate in the Senior Bowl.

984
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: I watched a game he played. I usually, like, you know,

985
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: when you get these guys from smaller schools, you like

986
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: watching him against the Biggs competition they play. So Eric Johnson,

987
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: the Missouri State went and played Oklahoma State last year

988
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: in Stillwater. There was a play in this game where

989
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: Johnson's lined up over the center and he identifies a run.

990
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,240
Speaker 1: He's able to disengage with the center and then loop

991
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: all the way around the offensive line with some just

992
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: crazy acceleration and burst and he drops us running back

993
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: on Oklahoma State for a loss of like six yards.

994
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: That was one of those plays kind of makes you

995
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: sit up in your seat like, oh, all right, this

996
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: guy's got some juice to him. Um, he was a

997
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: He was a guy who wrote down here, I'm not

998
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: betting against Curtis Brooks. Uh. You listened to his his

999
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 1: press conference after he got drafted, and he was like,

1000
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm not going to forget how far I slid in

1001
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: this draft. Um, he's a guy who's got a chip

1002
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 1: on his shoulder. He was highly productive at Cincinnati. Um maytay.

1003
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 1: I know, you know when when you talk to Luke Fickle,

1004
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of listening in and not to totally

1005
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: give it away, but Luke Fickle said Curtis Brooks was

1006
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: the defensive most valuable defensive player on Cincinnati last year,

1007
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: A defensive head Sauce Gardner. Right, I mean I went fourth, Yeah,

1008
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,879
Speaker 1: fourth overall. That's that's pretty high praise for a guy

1009
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: that Colts took two hundred and sixteenth overall. Lara, who

1010
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: do you got here? I don't know? Can I Can

1011
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I make a case for you? Then go ahead. I'm

1012
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: gonna I'm like, but I got a lot of things

1013
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: working over here. Yeah, do you have a lot of

1014
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: things working over there? I'm gonna make a case for

1015
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: Rodney Thomas a second as a special team Um, just

1016
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: like on first pass. I don't know how informed this

1017
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: is or not, but I'm like, this dude kind of

1018
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: reminds me of like Brandon King, who the Colts signed

1019
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: from New England, a long time co core special team

1020
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: where he's just got like athletic traits and toughness to him.

1021
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: I like his you know, kind of compete level there.

1022
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: And then Andrew Ogletree is a guy who the Colts

1023
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 1: have been on him for a long time, three years.

1024
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: His story's fascinating so quickly, like if you haven't heard

1025
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 1: the press conference. So Chad Henry started scouting him when

1026
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: he was at Findlay Findlay as a wide receiver a

1027
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: D two school, and Chad told him years ago, mark

1028
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: my words, you are a tight end. And then when

1029
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: he transferred to Youngstown State, he developed and adapted into

1030
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: that tight end role. So he has said, I am

1031
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: a ball of clay moldene however you want. So you

1032
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: love that mentality coming in knowing how this offense works,

1033
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: and a guy who can be adaptable and who you

1034
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: can develop in whatever fast at whatever role you need.

1035
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: He's definitely a guy that makes you think long and

1036
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: hard about keeping four tightens. That's why this is what

1037
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: I was like, do you keep four? This is the math.

1038
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: It's going to be hard because you've got grandson, you

1039
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: have mo you have of course to Lonnie Woods, and

1040
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: now this I mean, and then you also, I mean

1041
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: you have other guys here who have been who are

1042
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: on your practice squad last year type of guys, depth

1043
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: guys who we haven't seen in a while. We don't

1044
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: know what they bring in. So yeah, the flour tight

1045
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: end argument's gonna be real interesting when we get here

1046
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: into mid to late August. Gonna be a lot of

1047
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,240
Speaker 1: competition on the back end of this roster for spots.

1048
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: Bubba Ventrone is going to have a blast working with

1049
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: some of these young athletic guys and getting amused to

1050
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: playing special teams. All right, it is time for my

1051
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: favorite segment of the week, mayte your random thought of

1052
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: the week. What have we got, mate, Random thought the week?

1053
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: And why is the carpet all went Todd? I don't know, Marco.

1054
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: You guys going out of town? Does this tooth push

1055
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,359
Speaker 1: approved by American Gentle Association? But if it's cold there

1056
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: for these vans get good gas mileage? I'll fast is

1057
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: this single? Does it have Automerica transmission? Does it have

1058
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: four wheel drive? Shut up? So I think I think

1059
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: the intro is longer than the question this week. Quite simply,

1060
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's Kentucky Derby Week, Lara, Can we stay

1061
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: at your house? And it's not my house, it's my

1062
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: parents house? Oh yes, yeah, yeah, you're welcome, right Mama.

1063
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: Sandy would be delighted. Do you know how much it

1064
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: would just like make her whole year if I just

1065
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: rolled up like this is what we've been doing college

1066
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Speaker 1: is like roll up like two car fulls and just

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Speaker 1: like descend upon my parents house like nothing makes nothing.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Sandy a big I made a castle

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00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: roll for you guys type of person. Oh, she'll make

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't make anything like yeah, absolutely, she's gonna Yeah,

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Speaker 1: She'll invite she in what you need. That's the first

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Speaker 1: thing she's doing is like going into the fridge. What

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00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: can I fix for you? We're gonna do for you.

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Speaker 1: I toast us with the mostest she's got, the southern hospitality,

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00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: all of that. That's what I was gonna ask. Yeah, Louisville.

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00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: Louisville is a little bit you know, we're we're getting

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Speaker 1: a little bit south there because the Midwestern thing is

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Speaker 1: your friends are here from college. I made you a cassey. Yeah,

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00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: it's similar very I mean, it's in it's new Albany,

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Speaker 1: so you know it's still in Indiana, but you get

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Speaker 1: the Louisville flavor. Yeah you know. Meanwhile, my stepdad would

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00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: be making up like mint and julips, like here we

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Speaker 1: go starby weekend. Let's go, guys, Laird, do you say

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00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: Louisville or Louisville? Absolutely, Louisville. You have to say it

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00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: as if you have mashed potatoes in your mouth. How

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00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: do you say the capital of Kentucky? Frankfurt? Hey, I

1087
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't trick you. There you go. That's someone who started

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00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: her television career in the Louisville market. If I watched that,

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00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 1: I'd be in big That's a dad joke, right, They're

1090
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: well played, good job. Yeah, this is this is your

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: jam and that's embarrassing. Oh seeing James, you got so

1092
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: much to learn. Yes, this is your weekend. Let's go

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00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,439
Speaker 1: it is. I'm so excited. It's been a few years.

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00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: It's been a few years since I've gone because what

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00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: were we doing? There was a reason. Last year was

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00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: the draft. So I was watching it here in our

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00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: office along with Sherry Osbourne, one of our incredibly talented

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00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,879
Speaker 1: content creators. She's a huge horse fan, horse racing, fan,

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00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: so she and I were locked in Matthew Dominic big

1100
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 1: horse racing fan as well, so we were all locked

1101
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: in watching the races. And Carly ersay totally like lent

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00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,399
Speaker 1: into it. She wore the hat. It was incredible walked

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00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: into the draft room. I mean it was so awesome.

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00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: She had like this Derby hat on and everything. It

1105
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: was so well done. And then of course it was

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00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: weird and twenty it was actually run in the fall

1107
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: because they delayed it for a pandemic. So I'm like

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00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: six years removed from going just because of work conflicts

1109
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: and different things. And it also always falls the same

1110
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: Saturday as the Mini, so the years I would sometimes

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00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: have to trade off. Am I running the Mini or

1112
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: am I going to Derby? But roughly every five years

1113
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: or so we tried to go as a family. So

1114
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,719
Speaker 1: we make it a big group thing. And just so

1115
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 1: happens that this year my niece turns one on Derby Day,

1116
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: so there's no I mean, like this is like the

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00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl for my parents, Like they're like, oh my gosh,

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00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: oh of course she does. Oh yes, yes, she's gonna

1119
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: be best, better dressed than any of us are. Like

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00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: I have a new dress, like, got a hat, I

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00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: got the whole deal. Um Dan is very concerned because

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00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: he's like, I don't think you can get in a

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00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: car with that hat on, because it is it's elaborate,

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00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: it is it's a where one go for a Conte'm

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00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: so glad you asked, Um. Well, my mom thankfully has

1126
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: been so many times. I just shop her closet again.

1127
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: Sandy hospitality opens the door. She'll give you anything, you know, like, oh,

1128
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: your hats. You know, you need a casserole, you need

1129
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: a beverage. What do you need? So I just borrow

1130
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 1: them from my mom at this point. But there are

1131
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: a number of custom hat outfitters across Louisville, people who

1132
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 1: have boutiques, or if you're someone who likes to design

1133
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: your own, what you can do is buy the hat.

1134
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: It's like a blank palette and you go to like

1135
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: a D's Crafts and they'll build it's seriously, it's like

1136
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: they're building like a planter on top of the hat

1137
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 1: to you know, accessorize it, hold it well, I mean

1138
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: the hat. You've got to buy the hat, but then

1139
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: they just add the flowers and the ribbon and you

1140
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 1: know some mine has feathers like all sorts of things. Yeah, beautiful,

1141
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: that's right. It's it's very festivals, it's very fun. Individualism

1142
00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: in your hat, a lot of it's a lot of

1143
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: personality in the hat. It's all about a statement. So, um,

1144
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: if you guys want to know, you didn't ask, but

1145
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: uh my pick thus far. It's early. Um, they just

1146
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: kind of the early odds went out yesterday. I'm going

1147
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 1: to take charge it right now. That was that? Was

1148
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: that the talent that he brings? Yeah, charge it. Todd Pletcher,

1149
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: horse love Pletcher, fant fantastic trainer. Um, so I'm gonna go.

1150
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: That's that's who I like. I like, charge it right now.

1151
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: I pick. I trust you. While we're here twenty to

1152
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: one odds, it's good odds. We better make our Kentucky

1153
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: Derby picks. Mattee. I have done no research zero, So

1154
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 1: I am going to go, and I'm going with glue

1155
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: stick glue. Have you guys ever seen the Stings? It's

1156
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: blue doll buy a hair. No sting fans in this

1157
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: in this room here ye sting with Robert Redford and

1158
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: Paul Newman. Oh my gosh, I am going to go. Well,

1159
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: Matey's doing that, I'm gonna go and take a course.

1160
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 1: Who's name I can pronounce Epicenter's seven to two. There

1161
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: you go, that's get us. I'll double down with j J.

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Speaker 1: We'll go. We'll go have he's on that bed all right,

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Speaker 1: there you go, We're going up center. We are going

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Speaker 1: to get out of here on this episode of the

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Speaker 1: Official Colts Podcast, presented by Windbet. But before we do,

1166
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,400
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Speaker 1: Audio Network. You are not going to want to miss

1168
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: all the stuff we've got dropping this week. We've got

1169
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: interviews with Colts draft picks shortly after they were drafted.

1170
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to check out the one on one

1171
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: interview that Jeffrey Gorman and I did with Alec Pierce

1172
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: where Jeffrey Gorman said something very odd that's not news.

1173
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: Though it's not news, I don't know why I even

1174
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: teased it with that. A Inside Football with Rick Van

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: Terry is back on Wednesday. Like Rick, the amount of

1176
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: studying he does for the draft, like he could show

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Speaker 1: up to the draft room and make a pick and

1178
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Speaker 1: it would probably be pretty good with the amount of

1179
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: knowledge he's got about this year's draft. So be sure

1180
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: to check that out on Wednesday. We're also going to

1181
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: have a Colts player in our studios on Wednesday for

1182
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: week three of the offseason workout program. On Thursday, Inside

1183
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: the Draft with Jeff Diamond, the former GM of the

1184
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: Titans and Vikings, will be on and on Friday, The

1185
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: Last Word recapping the Draft in week three of the

1186
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: offseason program with guest Luke Fickle on that show. You're

1187
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: also going to want to keep your eyes out for

1188
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,360
Speaker 1: a new episode of with the Next Pick, hopefully coming

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00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: out sometime this week. I've got a big feature story

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Speaker 1: I'm running on Colts dot com about the Foreign Exchange

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00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: year that Bernard Rieman spent in Michigan, in smalltown Michigan,

1192
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: a really interesting story that should be on Colts dot

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00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,680
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00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,840
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Speaker 1: you so much for listening, and we'll talk to you

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