Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the
Speaker 1: Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan runt Dog,
Speaker 1: but enough about me. My guest today is one of
Speaker 1: the hottest producers in the UK right now. He topped
Speaker 1: the chart across the Pond in with Easy Love and
Speaker 1: now he's coming for us. He's released a string of
Speaker 1: infectious dance pop tunes in the last few months, including
Speaker 1: Heaven on My Mind with Becky Hill and Lasting Lover
Speaker 1: with James Arthur, which ingeniously samples the modern classic Time
Speaker 1: to Pretend by MGMT. Most recently, he served up the
Speaker 1: Charlie xc X pan do you for Me with the
Speaker 1: incredible Rita Aura. I'm so happy to welcome Sigala. Pleasure man.
Speaker 1: You have I just say, who are we going further?
Speaker 1: You have an amazing name. I just really thanks. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's um, it's actually a it's actually a family name,
Speaker 1: so um, it's nice, has a bit of meaning. It
Speaker 1: was my I think great great grandfather's last name. His
Speaker 1: name was Am Sigala. Is this Italian dude, and yes
Speaker 1: it sounds like a cool guy. So when I had
Speaker 1: to choot it was actually my mom that told me
Speaker 1: to use it. I was like, because I came and
Speaker 1: I became an artist, like very quickly, and like I
Speaker 1: hadn't really thought too much about it, and suddenly I
Speaker 1: was like, I need a name, and my mom was like, oh,
Speaker 1: tell me the story about this guy called Amstegana. She
Speaker 1: was like, call yourself Sigala. So thanks mom for that
Speaker 1: excellent choice. Oh man, so many great songs. I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about it, But first and foremost, you
Speaker 1: have a new single with Rita Aura. You for me
Speaker 1: tell me about the background of that song. How had
Speaker 1: they come together? Yeah, so that's quite a cool one man.
Speaker 1: Originally it was written by Charlie xc X. We got
Speaker 1: sent this this demo with her with her singing it,
Speaker 1: and like I fell in love with the song, and
Speaker 1: but she she hadn't written it for herself. She'd just
Speaker 1: written it as a song and then so it ended
Speaker 1: up with me working on it, and her and Rita
Speaker 1: are quite good friends, which I didn't know until recently.
Speaker 1: So they got in touch with each other and suddenly
Speaker 1: I was like, I heard Rita wanted to get involved,
Speaker 1: and obviously like that that was amazing that she's somebody
Speaker 1: who's been like on my hit list. For a long time. Um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it happened Like it was kind of cool
Speaker 1: that it happened that way rather than just going through
Speaker 1: managers emails and things like that. It was nice that
Speaker 1: there's there was a connection there. Um and yeah, she's
Speaker 1: super pumped to be on it. I'm like so happy
Speaker 1: to have her on the record as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's worked out really well. It's such a great dance
Speaker 1: track for a year where there really hasn't been a
Speaker 1: lot of dancing, or at least a lot of communal dancing.
Speaker 1: How has the last year and a half been for you?
Speaker 1: Is it tough to make songs that it seemed to
Speaker 1: be so designed to be enjoyed by, you know, with
Speaker 1: other people. Was it hard to make those in such
Speaker 1: a solitary environment. It's kind of a weird one because
Speaker 1: I feel like over the last year or so, since
Speaker 1: since the first lockdown, like there's been so much more
Speaker 1: dance music out there. Like when you tell on the
Speaker 1: radio in the UK, it's like dance dance music on
Speaker 1: like all stations, and it's it's an amazing time to
Speaker 1: be in doing that genre. But also, yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of strange that so many people making dance music, but
Speaker 1: no one can actually go out and listen to it
Speaker 1: in the club. Um So I guess people still want
Speaker 1: that and they're and they're getting it from from somewhere
Speaker 1: else now. Um So, yeah, it's been a cool it's
Speaker 1: been a really cool year to be making dance music.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back to touring
Speaker 1: and playing in clubs because I'm sure everyone misses it,
Speaker 1: but I really miss it too. Because you were gearing
Speaker 1: up for what your first world tour before everything shut down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was some kind of bad timing, Like I just
Speaker 1: started my my world tour and it's like the biggest
Speaker 1: world tour that we'd I've got my dogs trying to
Speaker 1: get through the door. It's twisting the door handle. Its aggressive.
Speaker 1: I hear that on this It's really creepy. Yeah, hopefully
Speaker 1: he'll go away. It's the fun of working at home, believe. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was kind of really bad timing because
Speaker 1: it was the biggest tour that I had. I had
Speaker 1: planned so far and we did. We've just done all
Speaker 1: the UK shows and then that was when it was
Speaker 1: just starting to look like the virus had just come
Speaker 1: about and everyone was getting a bit worried, and then
Speaker 1: I think I did like two in Europe and then
Speaker 1: and then all the all the rest got postponed. So yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it was it was. It was really sad, and I
Speaker 1: just felt really bad for you know, everyone who who
Speaker 1: put tickets in and you know, it's freed up time
Speaker 1: to come to the shows. And I was looking forward
Speaker 1: to traveling and like we had stuff in Asia, Australia, America,
Speaker 1: like all over the world. It was going to be incredible. Um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it just it is what it is. Man.
Speaker 1: In hindsight, It's given me so much time to be
Speaker 1: in the studio and make music. I've actually really enjoyed
Speaker 1: the last year being able to work more on music
Speaker 1: than I ever have in the last sort of seven
Speaker 1: or eight years. So I've tried to look at the
Speaker 1: silver lining, I guess, and you know, try and take
Speaker 1: the positive was out of it. I was gonna You've
Speaker 1: been involved with so many different types of music throughout
Speaker 1: your life. What is it about dancing house music that
Speaker 1: that pulls it you most strongly? I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just feel like it's something that, as far as creating goes,
Speaker 1: it comes really naturally. I feel really at home with
Speaker 1: the four to the floor kick drum anything like it
Speaker 1: just all comes so naturally to me, I think because
Speaker 1: I used to listen to that kind of music, like
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and I was really really
Speaker 1: into dance music as a teenager and not just house
Speaker 1: I guess, like all like drum and bass, and and
Speaker 1: when dub step came around, like I was really into
Speaker 1: that and I made some crazy dub step tunes that
Speaker 1: no one will ever hear. But yeah, I've always like
Speaker 1: it's the kind of general I've always come back to it.
Speaker 1: I've I've experimented with other things, and I've always come
Speaker 1: back to dance music, and I just, yeah, it just
Speaker 1: never gets old for me. Your first big smash, easy Love,
Speaker 1: which has that amazing sample of Jackson's five ABC. I'm
Speaker 1: always so curious because I collect old soul singles and
Speaker 1: forty fives and stuff from the sixties and seventies, stacks
Speaker 1: volved motown all that, And I think of the producers
Speaker 1: like yourself, who listens to those same seven inches and
Speaker 1: could hear a baseline or hear a drum track and
Speaker 1: have the foresight to be able to splice that little
Speaker 1: bit out and make something completely new and fresh and
Speaker 1: exciting with it. When you're working on sampling, is it
Speaker 1: a case of knowing exactly what you want or is
Speaker 1: it really a lot of trial and error until you
Speaker 1: get something you think sounds good for me. It's it's
Speaker 1: usually a lot of trial and error. With With the
Speaker 1: Jackson five one, I was lucky, lucky enough to have
Speaker 1: somebody give me the multi track stems. I have no
Speaker 1: idea where they got them from, but they gave me
Speaker 1: the multi track stems to a bunch of songs and
Speaker 1: there was some Jackson five stuff in there, so I
Speaker 1: just like plucked out the a cappella and like the
Speaker 1: babs and everything, and and there were some cool melodies,
Speaker 1: like some ad lib melodies that you can barely hear
Speaker 1: in the actual song, and like those are the ones
Speaker 1: I was really drawn to because I was like, they're
Speaker 1: really cool and and no one's probably heard them. And
Speaker 1: so I kind of like took some of their m
Speaker 1: and some of the main vocal and I tried to
Speaker 1: like try and forget how the original sounded and just
Speaker 1: be like I'm creating something new. Let's just see where
Speaker 1: it goes. And that was such a fun process. I
Speaker 1: had so much fun making that record, but you said
Speaker 1: it was absolutely right. I when you hear that song,
Speaker 1: I almost forget that it's a sample. It sounds so
Speaker 1: completely different. Is there a challenge to find sort of
Speaker 1: the sweet spot of the right amount to sample? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of of your song Lasting Lover, which samples
Speaker 1: the mg m T song Time to pretend it's if
Speaker 1: you didn't tell me that that was a song had
Speaker 1: that sample in there. I don't think I even noticed
Speaker 1: because it's so wholly unique. I mean, is there like
Speaker 1: like I'm sure, but is there, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: sweet spot for you? Okay, this is this is the
Speaker 1: amount to make it fun any more than that? And
Speaker 1: it just it kind of feels a little too easy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like if you can't, if you
Speaker 1: can't do something different with it or take it somewhere else,
Speaker 1: then it's like, what's the point of doing it, and
Speaker 1: where's the where's the creative part of that? Um? I
Speaker 1: don't think I'd ever do like a d cover of
Speaker 1: a song, although there's some great ones that have been done. Um,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's not quite as creative when
Speaker 1: when you're doing that. So I always try and find
Speaker 1: a way of you know, mixing it up and finding
Speaker 1: a new way to do it. And plus some of
Speaker 1: the some of the songs that I'd love to sample.
Speaker 1: Someone sent me one today was like, oh, I should
Speaker 1: do a sample of this. I can't remember which what
Speaker 1: it was, but it's like classic dance tune and I
Speaker 1: was just like, I don't think I can do a
Speaker 1: better job than what this guy has done on it,
Speaker 1: so I'm just gonna leave that as it is and
Speaker 1: move on. Well, that's why Easy Love with the Jackson
Speaker 1: five was so cool. So I feel like most people
Speaker 1: would go for the Funk Brothers based in drum part
Speaker 1: that will be on it, and I mean that's why
Speaker 1: I feel like, what most people do, you know that
Speaker 1: the high vocal melodies and put your own rhythm to it,
Speaker 1: and I think that was what was so cool about it.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things as well at the
Speaker 1: time was I was had the ambition to be a
Speaker 1: songwriter to and I was really struggling to find people
Speaker 1: to work with, so I couldn't really I didn't have
Speaker 1: enough vocalists or top lines or vocals to work with
Speaker 1: and to to be creative with. So that was almost
Speaker 1: a way of like I want to play around and
Speaker 1: make a song, but I don't have anyone to do
Speaker 1: it with. I'm going to get this vocal. And I
Speaker 1: used to make remixes of songs all the time, like
Speaker 1: just find the a cappellas online and make a new version.
Speaker 1: And that was my way of songwriting without having anyone
Speaker 1: to work with. I used to love listening to to
Speaker 1: mash up people like Girl Talk and Endanger Mouse. Would
Speaker 1: you ever listen to to people like that? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: there's some there's some great mashups. That's something as well
Speaker 1: that I love to do it like, and I love
Speaker 1: to see other people doing in live sets as well,
Speaker 1: is doing mashups and like original takes on things that
Speaker 1: some some stuff that I've got in my set, Like
Speaker 1: the only place you can hear it is if you
Speaker 1: come and see me live. And I've seen other people
Speaker 1: do that as well, and I've been like she's having
Speaker 1: I'm like what is this? And I think that's there's
Speaker 1: something really cool about that. That's the ultimate Like you know,
Speaker 1: as you know, when you're when you're you're playing a party,
Speaker 1: if you see people, if you see people holding up
Speaker 1: their phone, like trying to sam what you're playing. That's
Speaker 1: when you know you you hit it out of the park.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, you initially when you first started
Speaker 1: making music, you were playing in different bands. How did
Speaker 1: you switch to uh, production work? It's kind of kind
Speaker 1: of again, by accident. Most of the things that have
Speaker 1: happened in my career of been by accident. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to love playing in bands, um, just from
Speaker 1: being like in bands at high school and things like that.
Speaker 1: Just like me and my mates messing around and I
Speaker 1: play the keyboards, and it would come to like recording
Speaker 1: our music, and none of us could afford to go
Speaker 1: to a studio and record, so I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: how hard can it be? Download some software, UM, borrow
Speaker 1: my mates computer and and and like do it in
Speaker 1: the shed down down the bottom of the garden. So
Speaker 1: that's how we That's how like I got into production,
Speaker 1: I guess because I realized that I when I started
Speaker 1: recording the bands and stuff, that I actually enjoyed it
Speaker 1: more than I did playing in the band live. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, I just want to do this now.
Speaker 1: I want to be in the studio, I want to record,
Speaker 1: I want to make music. And that was like that
Speaker 1: was the start of it. Really, I should imagine your
Speaker 1: first UK number one, Easy Love, was was made in
Speaker 1: what you've described as like a really stripped down kind
Speaker 1: of way. It was just like basically just a laptop
Speaker 1: at home. I mean, is that still your preferred way
Speaker 1: or as has your your process of all much beyond
Speaker 1: that at this point? Nice, It's pretty similar to be honest, Um,
Speaker 1: I still have the same like monitors that I that
Speaker 1: I had back in my bedroom when I made Easy Love,
Speaker 1: and I I have a nice studio in King's Cross
Speaker 1: in central London. But it's very it's very simple. It's
Speaker 1: just like nice speaker's laptop and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1: And a microphone because I do everything in the box anyway,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to overcomplicate the process because I
Speaker 1: am That's just how it's always worked for me, so
Speaker 1: I'm just sticking to it. You've got your start in
Speaker 1: music as a as a pianist for many many years.
Speaker 1: Does that factor into your your your songwriting process, This
Speaker 1: sort of like classical background that you have for sure. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's so so helpful being able to play keys
Speaker 1: because if you have a laptop and you can play keys.
Speaker 1: You can play any instrument really, or you can pretend
Speaker 1: to play any instrument. So, like, I think that's been
Speaker 1: a really important part of me becoming an artist and
Speaker 1: making music because yeah, like I heavily rely on being
Speaker 1: able to play the piano. Like, whenever I write a song,
Speaker 1: it maybe it ends up being like a dance record,
Speaker 1: but in the beginning it was written on a piano,
Speaker 1: you know, in a room with a singer, and you know,
Speaker 1: you can usually strip it back to that as well,
Speaker 1: and it's still you know, it still makes sense as
Speaker 1: a song. I think there's something really cool about that.
Speaker 1: You know, the people don't know that not a lot
Speaker 1: about theory. Will always talk about how the piano such
Speaker 1: a great thing to learn on because it's it's so logical.
Speaker 1: It's laid out there in front of you and you
Speaker 1: can kind of get a visual for where all the
Speaker 1: notes are and how it all fits together as a whole. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I love like the sound of a piano is
Speaker 1: just never going to go out of fashion, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's been around for a long time and it's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. So like, I still love to use piano
Speaker 1: in my music and like it feels such a big
Speaker 1: space sonically as well, Like I just love the power,
Speaker 1: the like powerful sound you get from a piano. So
Speaker 1: that's something that's that's like, it's great that I that
Speaker 1: I can play piano because it's kind of been the
Speaker 1: basis of my sound since day one. Really, was there
Speaker 1: a moment for you when you knew that that music
Speaker 1: was what you wanted to do with your life? Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, actually, I've was like when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I was dream I used to dream of being in
Speaker 1: a band or something like that. Like I used to
Speaker 1: listen to like a C D C and UM, like
Speaker 1: guns and Roses and all that stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to be on the stage with my keyboard
Speaker 1: rocking out, and that was like that was the dream.
Speaker 1: And I even in my bedroom, I had like I
Speaker 1: managed to get this poster online from somewhere and it
Speaker 1: like filled the whole side of my room and it
Speaker 1: was just like a picture of a crowd like from
Speaker 1: the stage. So I used to stand in front of
Speaker 1: this this massive poster like solo out on my keyboard
Speaker 1: and that was like the childhood dream. And then um,
Speaker 1: and then I started to realize that it was probably
Speaker 1: never gonna happen. So I was like, maybe I can
Speaker 1: be you know, an engineer or a producer or a
Speaker 1: songwriter or something like that and make a living from it.
Speaker 1: So that's like the route I went down and went
Speaker 1: to university studied commercial music, and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I can hopefully make career out of this. And then
Speaker 1: suddenly the dream came back to life after the Jackson
Speaker 1: five thing, and yeah, suddenly I was like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be the kid with the poster in his
Speaker 1: bedroom again. Um. So yeah, it's weird how it kind
Speaker 1: of went full circle. And yeah, but I can't really
Speaker 1: pinpoint when that moment was. I guess I've always I've
Speaker 1: always just known that if I work hard enough then
Speaker 1: like that. The goal has always been just to be
Speaker 1: able to make music, make money from music, and that's
Speaker 1: always been it. I mean, yeah, dreams come true. I mean,
Speaker 1: has there been a moment for you, like on stage
Speaker 1: it's really been like a peak moment for you where
Speaker 1: youthought oh my god, this is this is everything I
Speaker 1: wanted when I was back in my bedroom. And is
Speaker 1: there anything that stands out for you? Oh? Yeah? Man,
Speaker 1: so many like so many festivals and things like that. Way,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just crazy when you think like
Speaker 1: all these people are coming here to to see me,
Speaker 1: or like all these people were singing along like as
Speaker 1: and people singing a song I made in my bedroom.
Speaker 1: It's still crazy, man, And it's still like gives me
Speaker 1: chills when when that happens, and it still happens with
Speaker 1: you know, with with the new songs as well. That's
Speaker 1: my favorite part when I go back on the road,
Speaker 1: is like I can't wait to play the new one,
Speaker 1: Like I wonder if anyone's going to sing along, and
Speaker 1: when they do, it's, um, yeah, it never gets old, man,
Speaker 1: that feeling. I mean, You've worked with so many incredible people.
Speaker 1: I mean my guy, Kylie Mineoa French, Montana, Paloma, Faith,
Speaker 1: Craig David. Who's still on your wish list? I know
Speaker 1: you mentioned Chris Martin at one point. Any any progress
Speaker 1: on that, Yeah, he'd be very cool. Zero progress at
Speaker 1: the moment. I'm not giving up yet. Like I said,
Speaker 1: Rita Aurora was was somebody I mentioned working with for
Speaker 1: a long time, so I'm really happy that's happened. Ellie
Speaker 1: Golding is someone I've been trying to work with Ava
Speaker 1: Max has been on my list for a while of
Speaker 1: people that I love to do something with, and a
Speaker 1: few days ago actually her team asked me to do
Speaker 1: a remix for her, which I'm working on today. So
Speaker 1: that's going to be really cool. And that's that's something
Speaker 1: hopefully I can be really proud of and I can
Speaker 1: take her off the list, the never ending list. But yeah,
Speaker 1: there's so many man, Like, Um, I'm working on my
Speaker 1: album as well at the moment, and I can't mention
Speaker 1: any any names unfortunately because because it's like quite early days.
Speaker 1: But there's so many cool people and it's I feel
Speaker 1: so blessed to be able to work with so many
Speaker 1: talented artists, Like it's it's it's so cool man. And
Speaker 1: I mean you might not be able to say anything,
Speaker 1: but I heard rumors about Little Mix, So what's the
Speaker 1: latest on on working with them. Yeah, we've been We've
Speaker 1: been working together for a long time, like trying to
Speaker 1: find the right song that works for everyone. We've been
Speaker 1: in the studio a few times. Um, it's really hard, man,
Speaker 1: with all of us have such busy timelines and release
Speaker 1: schedules and stuff, so like you kind of have to
Speaker 1: wait for all the stars to align for for for
Speaker 1: these things to happen. So I'm still got my fingers
Speaker 1: crossed that will will make something happen, and everyone's still
Speaker 1: really keen to to make a tune together. So yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully hopefully soon. What is your process for almost like
Speaker 1: casting a song. Is it almost like you would have
Speaker 1: movie You have something and you think, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can totally hear read Aura on this or Charlie
Speaker 1: x t X or Ellie Golden or something like that,
Speaker 1: or what is your process for that? How do you
Speaker 1: how do you decide what song goes with what artists?
Speaker 1: Usually we have some sort of demo of the song
Speaker 1: with a with the singer. A songwriter will often sing
Speaker 1: it and then you know, we can try and work
Speaker 1: out who who it's going to sue and approach those
Speaker 1: people and hopefully, you know, they can cut the vocal
Speaker 1: and we can see if it works. But sometimes you
Speaker 1: can think, oh my god, this is gonna be amazing
Speaker 1: for for this person, and they sing it and you're like,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for singing this, Like it's not
Speaker 1: it's not working because I don't know. Sometimes you just
Speaker 1: can't tell how it's going to sound. There's so many
Speaker 1: different things that come into it. But yeah, sometimes it's
Speaker 1: tough as well, man, because the songwriter who writes the
Speaker 1: song might have this incredible voice and then you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how are we gonna how are we gonna?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna beat that? Like how are we going
Speaker 1: to get as good as that? It was the same
Speaker 1: with them with James Arthur because Lewis Capaldi wrote the
Speaker 1: Lasting Lover song I did with James and like where
Speaker 1: I worked on the version with with Lewis's voice on
Speaker 1: for a long time and I was like, there's literally
Speaker 1: probably only one or two people who could sing it
Speaker 1: this good, and one of them is James Arthur and
Speaker 1: he was he was top of the list. I was like,
Speaker 1: if James Arthur doesn't do this tune with me, like
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do, Like, no one's
Speaker 1: gonna be able to sing this. And so thank god
Speaker 1: James did it, because otherwise I don't think, like I
Speaker 1: don't think I would have ever found someone to cut
Speaker 1: that song. Um, but yeah he did. He did a
Speaker 1: great job as an incredible track, awesome video too. I
Speaker 1: gotta say I'm a huge Carnerd and seeing all the
Speaker 1: like the Mercedes in there, that was a great Uh.
Speaker 1: How involved are you in making the videos? A real
Speaker 1: bit you conceive of a lot of them, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it depends what's going on at the time. Sometimes, Um,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm really involved. Sometimes I'm too busy to get involved.
Speaker 1: And I often use the same director, Craig Moore, and
Speaker 1: we've worked together a lot since off, since my first
Speaker 1: music video. But like, I feel like I've sort of
Speaker 1: managed to almost set the kind of outlines to this
Speaker 1: is what cigar video needs to be like, so that
Speaker 1: I can trust someone else to do it if I'm
Speaker 1: too busy. But it's it's so much fun getting involved
Speaker 1: in in the music videos, man, Like I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: there's such a big part of of the music. And
Speaker 1: like I often watch music videos while I'm making when
Speaker 1: I'm making music in the studio because it's I get
Speaker 1: so inspired by it. Like if I finished song for
Speaker 1: the day, I'll put on the music video on YouTube
Speaker 1: and mute it and then play my song under it
Speaker 1: and you hear it in a different way and then
Speaker 1: you you know, you think of new ideas and things
Speaker 1: you can do with it. So like music videos have
Speaker 1: always been really important to me. That's so funny you
Speaker 1: said that. I went to film score and I love music,
Speaker 1: but I've never been able to write a song. But
Speaker 1: I used to walk around when I was stuck at
Speaker 1: where I was going to be out in my plot
Speaker 1: and just listen to songs, and somehow that would always
Speaker 1: spark something. Just whatever the opposite. The two just works
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, man, They're just there're two things that
Speaker 1: just worked so well together. So yeah, it's really fun
Speaker 1: being involved in the music videos. Now, when you're not
Speaker 1: working on music or the music videos, what do you
Speaker 1: like to do? Especially this last year, however, you kept
Speaker 1: boredom at day if if that is such a thing
Speaker 1: for you, yeah, I've embraced the boredom, to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, It's been like hectic few years. When Lockdown
Speaker 1: number one came along, I was I was kind of
Speaker 1: welcoming it. I was like, Okay, I'm gonna I can
Speaker 1: chill out. I have no nothing to commit to. I
Speaker 1: can just hibernate basically, which was really nice. I didn't
Speaker 1: even make music for a few weeks. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is my opportunity to just recharge and re energize
Speaker 1: and that was really nice, But yeah, it definitely got boring,
Speaker 1: um quite quickly. So I do a lot of gaming,
Speaker 1: like I play Call of Duty and stuff um quite
Speaker 1: a lot like me and loads of my mates obsessed
Speaker 1: with it, so that definitely helps pass the time. And
Speaker 1: obviously making music. There's there's been so much time for
Speaker 1: me to make music and so much less pressure now
Speaker 1: rather than like, you know, go away for a few
Speaker 1: days on tour and then suddenly you're back in the
Speaker 1: studio and you you know, you've got to get this
Speaker 1: done by this day, and it's usually not the most
Speaker 1: creative way to work. So it's been really nice this
Speaker 1: year to have a bit more time and like less
Speaker 1: time pressure you mentioned, Colb Dutio, I hooked up my
Speaker 1: older in sixty four for the first time Golden Come
Speaker 1: On for I was obsessed with that game. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Remote Minds and the facility that's uh, that's
Speaker 1: literally with all the all the glass windows. Before I
Speaker 1: let you go, thank you so much for taking the
Speaker 1: time to day. It's been such a pleasure. But before
Speaker 1: I let you go, what is one thing that you've
Speaker 1: learned about yourself in the last year now that you've
Speaker 1: been able to kind of chill. Everything's been a bit
Speaker 1: more still and uh and reflect. How has that changed you?
Speaker 1: I think I've learned that I I'm really happy with
Speaker 1: my own company. Like I'm quite happy just being a
Speaker 1: hermit and not leaving the house for a few days.
Speaker 1: You know. I've seen people lose their minds on on
Speaker 1: social media over lockdown because they haven't been able to
Speaker 1: go out and do things, and um like, Luckily I've
Speaker 1: I've managed to keep saying and I think I've realized that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty chilled just being on my own, like
Speaker 1: I can amuse myself. And yeah, has been a good
Speaker 1: good recollections. I'll never leave the hush again. Well, we
Speaker 1: hope we get you back out on the road. So
Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's different though. That's fun. So go. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for your time today and your music.
Speaker 1: It's been such a pleasure. I really appreciate it. Thanks man,
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