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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode we recap reality television from The

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain Drops of today's episode of

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Speaker 1: Reality Crime Story Baby. Along with my co host Cortney Parker,

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Speaker 1: we have to get into this week's topic, which is

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Speaker 1: the fall of Tom Girardi, who we all come to note. Yes,

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Speaker 1: his his personality was you in the movie that starred

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Speaker 1: the beautiful Julia Roberts Aaron Prokovich, but he is known

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Speaker 1: as Erica James's husband. So Cordie and I today are

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Speaker 1: going to talk about exactly what's going on with his case,

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Speaker 1: because listen, you have to be living under rock to

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Speaker 1: know what Erica Jane has been going through for the

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Speaker 1: past couple of years, not only in her real life

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Speaker 1: but on the real house spots of Belly Hills where

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Speaker 1: a lot of the girls on the show question whether

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Speaker 1: or not she knew what was going on with Tom Gerardi,

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Speaker 1: who was recently found guilty and sentenced to prisident for

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Speaker 1: his crime. So, Courtney, what is going on in this case?

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Speaker 2: Listen? This is not just another celebrity scandal. It's a

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Speaker 2: systemic legal failure that exploits vulnerable clients, his family, families

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Speaker 2: that were uh dealing with plane crash victims, injury workers

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Speaker 2: for his own personal gain. And he wasn't just any lawyer.

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Speaker 2: He was a super lawyer. He was a champion for

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Speaker 2: justice whose firm was recently just disbarred and bankrupt. His

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Speaker 2: downfall and the alleged misuth of those funds to prop

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Speaker 2: up his reality star wife is what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 2: And yes, this case intersects reality TV because of who

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Speaker 2: he was married to, but the courts focuses on squarely

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Speaker 2: the fraud, the deception, and the restitution and the eagle

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Speaker 2: the legal ethics involved. This is not just about story,

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Speaker 2: but we are the master storytellers and we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into the reality crime of this illegally blonde couple.

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Speaker 1: Not illegally blonde. Oh, according to you are a woman

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Speaker 1: with words, baby so ray jobs. Let me give you

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Speaker 1: all the timeline dating back to nineteen ninety nine before

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Speaker 1: I talk about what he was sentenced to, So to

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Speaker 1: catch all of you up. In nineteen ninety nine, Erica

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Speaker 1: Tom met at Chassen's It's the Beverly Hills hotspot, where

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Speaker 1: Erica is a cocktail waitress. The following year they get married.

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Speaker 1: I know that's my Erica. I'm not dating for more

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Speaker 1: than a year, married me booth. So they get married.

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Speaker 1: At that time, Tom was a high powered attorney, like

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Speaker 1: I said, best known for the Aaron Brokovich case. Erica

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Speaker 1: is starting her music career. Between two thousand and seven

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Speaker 1: and fifteen, she launches her also ego Erica Jane Music

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Speaker 1: is when Tom reportedly was funding her career with the

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Speaker 1: millions of dollars through his law firm, which we have

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Speaker 1: come to know today. Erica joins the Real Housewives of

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Speaker 1: Belly Hills in twenty fifteen. We were able to see

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Speaker 1: her jet setting lavish lifestyle right Courtney, it was like

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Speaker 2: Was the real Housewife of Beverly Hills, like undeniably beautiful,

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Speaker 2: blonde bombshell, living the life of a high powered attorney

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Speaker 2: lifestyles of the rich and famous.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and during the pandemic. In November twenty twenty, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, the early days of it, Erica fought for

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Speaker 1: divorce from Tom after twenty one years of marriage, just

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Speaker 1: week before lawsuits begins surfacing alleging financial frog December of

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Speaker 1: Erica is named in civil suits, but matains she had

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Speaker 1: also placed under Conservative ship. Eventually ignited. Erica fights civil

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Speaker 1: suits tied to the legend USA FOMPS and the Courtney.

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Speaker 1: June of this year, a month ago, Tom is sentenced

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Speaker 1: working amiss public scrutiny. Now, look, I will say this, Courtney,

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Speaker 1: I still believe that till this day, Courtney, she is

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, what happens is exactly what happens. She has

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Speaker 2: Erica didn't just benefit from Tom's money. She built an

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Speaker 2: The million dollar question that we always ask and that

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Speaker 2: interesting that you say she didn't. I don't think she did.

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Speaker 2: Even if she Even if she, if you feel like

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Speaker 2: the did she or didn't she? Of it all without saying,

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Speaker 2: how are you married to someone for twenty one years

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Speaker 2: who is a super attorney, the fighter for justice and

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Speaker 2: wasn't officially charged, public opinion is not even really and

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Speaker 2: truly solely fight it in this case. They're like, if

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Speaker 1: That it's not.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: I think this. I think this. I think if you

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Speaker 1: of beings who do have literally a real housewife, right

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Speaker 1: like I'm a housewife. I stay at home, I take

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Speaker 1: care of the kids. Teresa Judais went to prison because

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Speaker 1: When fraud was committed on Jaill's behalf and Teresa was like,

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Speaker 1: we said, is being accused Courtney of using over too

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Speaker 1: twenty five million dollars for personal use, all of which

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Speaker 1: legal team are seeking financial justice, which with me making

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Speaker 1: Erica Jane pay back the money. I don't believe she knew.

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Speaker 1: That's my opinion. I really do believe that. The attorney

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Speaker 1: sure if they do. But what's fascinating is Erica Jane

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Speaker 1: is hitted to trial in February of twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: Right, it's blood money, and that's what the media is

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Speaker 2: calling it. That's what the streets are even saying, Like,

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Speaker 2: the reality is you're citing innocence, But innocence isn't just

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Speaker 2: about what you know. It's also about what you chose

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Speaker 2: to not ask. Like it gives very don't ask, don't tell,

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Speaker 2: but that doesn't make you innocent. That makes you guilty

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Speaker 2: somewhat by association. She built a fantasy around luxury, but

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Speaker 2: the receipts were bloody. There were plane crash settlements, brown

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Speaker 2: it's the perception of evil that can cause people to

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Speaker 2: too many women oftentimes when they marry these high profile

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Speaker 2: people that are reacting and responding to, Oh, this is

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Speaker 2: I want to be kept. You mentioned the words kept,

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Speaker 2: But there is a responsibility to knowing where the money

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Speaker 2: need to be able to back up that your riches

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Speaker 2: a responsibility to at least own it. Own that your husband,

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Speaker 2: by far was just not a good person and misappropriated

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Speaker 2: the funds. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, and that's the thing I've always believed that. Look,

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Speaker 2: Right, he.

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Speaker 1: Alluded to have a dementia, but at the end of

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Speaker 1: Erica did have a lot to celebrate a few years ago, Courtney.

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Speaker 1: She did get dismissed from a few lawsuits. But like

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Speaker 1: that's for twenty four million dollars. Look, do you think

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Speaker 1: that because this was a big topic on the Real

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Speaker 1: Housewives of Billy Hills, right, Erica had some ear rings,

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Speaker 1: some diamond ear rings Courtney. And the reason why it

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Speaker 1: She was like, these are my ear rings. They were

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Speaker 1: And a lot of people felt like, what you're saying, Corney,

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Speaker 1: Like there's blood on those ear rings. You know there

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Speaker 1: of discussion based upon that, but it was also something

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Speaker 1: is she did win the legal battle over the ear rings.

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Speaker 1: They found that she did not have to give them up.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's the right call from the courts?

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Speaker 2: Again, it's simple. Erica wasn't in the courtroom. She didn't

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Speaker 2: take these cash settlements that were due to these families,

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Speaker 2: but she was. She's been a part of all of

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Speaker 2: these conversations. She didn't move the money, but she moved

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Speaker 2: this money that he stole allegedly from victims and victims' families,

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Speaker 1: There, well, the thought it came from. If you don't,

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Speaker 2: How do you make it right? How do you consciously

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Speaker 2: And again, it's not just about innocence, it's not just

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Speaker 1: It was it's expensive to be Go ahead, Courtney.

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Speaker 2: To be me. Your rain drops are not coming from

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Speaker 2: But when you have a case like this, I think

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Speaker 1: So you're on the same page as the attorney who's

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Speaker 2: Listen, if it's good enough for the President of the

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Speaker 2: enough for this attorney. People consume their media and attention

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Speaker 2: he like they said, she abandoned her husband. And again,

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Speaker 2: She gives the appearance of her loyalty wasn't to him,

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Speaker 2: We're not talking about little money here. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: That you now know.

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Speaker 2: You can't say, well, I didn't know, because you know

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Speaker 2: now that this is some someone lost their daughter, son, father,

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Speaker 2: It's not like this woman is talentless. It's not like

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Speaker 2: So forgive the food analogies. But there does come a

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Speaker 2: They weren't married for two years, five years, even seven years.

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Speaker 2: They were married for twenty one years, So I don't know. Carlos,

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you raised a good point, because what

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Speaker 1: So with that being said, she, like I said, she

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Speaker 2: But what reminds me of and it really does become

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Speaker 2: I know several successful, brilliant women that are quote unquote kept,

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Speaker 2: that Erica Jane did not do that, but to play

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Speaker 2: Glam with no knowledge, no backup plan, and no legal

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Speaker 2: distance isn't security. It's smoking mirrors. And you know, his

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Speaker 1: And there you have it. The worst for the Courtney

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Speaker 1: park is so in closing, look, thank you rain Josh

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Speaker 1: for tuning against another episode of Reality Crime Stories where

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Speaker 1: we are going to every single week on bail, one fraud,

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Speaker 1: one fashion icon, and a whole lot of fallout, one

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Speaker 1: the last time we see how fame, fortune and felony

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Speaker 1: charges collide. On the next episode of Reality Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with my co hosts and co creator Courtney Parker right

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Speaker 1: here on Reality with the King, we will be back

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Speaker 1: with more receipts, more scandal, and more truth behind the headlines.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned because the tea is just getting started. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Courtney for a great episode.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you rain Drops, Thank you King of Reality.

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Speaker 1: And the Queen of Words. Yeah. Reality with the King

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