WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Craig D. Button 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.200 Thinking Sideways is not brought to you by the Manganese 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.920 Transporters Association of America. Instead, it is supported by the 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.719 generous contributions of people like you, our listeners on Patreon. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.600 Visit patreon dot com slash thinking sideways to learn more 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:30.720 Thinking Sideways, I don't just stories of things we simply 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:36.280 don't know the answer. To be there and welcome again 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:40.440 to another episode of Thinking Sideways. I am Steve, of course, 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:45.440 as always, joined by and Joe, and once again we 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:50.320 have a mystery. Once again we have a listener suggested mystery, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.720 and it's an aeronautical mystery, it is. And yes, I 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.240 know there's probably somebody out there going, oh god, Steve 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.800 is doing another plane mystery. But hey with us, because 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.680 I actually sort of managed to find a story that 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:09.280 combines my last two episodes. Like I said, my last 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.640 two episodes. So today's story was a listener's suggestion. As 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:16.800 I said, it was suggested by Mr W So thank you, 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.360 sir um. And this week what we're gonna be talking 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:25.600 about is Air Force pilot Captain Craig D. Button, who 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.880 died when his A ten Thunderbolt to better known as 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:32.960 a ward Hog, crashed into the side of gold Dust 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:36.160 Peak in the Rocky Mountain Rain in Colorado. Button it 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.800 apparently gone completely off mission. He had no reason to 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.160 be in that area. He kind of did. He sort 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:45.760 wandered off the reservation. Yeah, a little bit. So before 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.400 we get in the mystery, let's do a little bit 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.480 of backstory here. Let's talk about Mr. Button. That was 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:53.720 his last name. That was the name his parents gave him, 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:56.280 which their parents probably gave before them. That's how this works. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.960 Job Okay, Well one of their parents gave them one 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.640 of them. Well they theoretically they were both married, so 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:05.160 they they would have this is never mind, let's just 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.359 keep moving forward. Does his name plane work? Oh it's 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:13.760 going to be a long night. Um so, no, Craig Button. 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.240 At the time of his death, he was thirty two 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:20.079 years old. He had been flying plane since his late teens, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.840 and he was always described as a straight shooter. He 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:28.840 didn't smoke, he almost never drank. He went to college 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:31.960 at the New York Institute of Technology, and while he 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:36.320 was there, he was in the Air Force r OTC program, which, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.000 for people who don't know, is the Reserve Officer Training 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:43.160 corps UM. And while he was there, when he graduated. 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:47.639 He got a degree in aerospace engineering, which doesn't smart guy, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.160 and it's probably not easy to get. I don't imagine 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.359 that is an easy degree. Now, it's too bad to 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.560 crash this planet going for him, he really did. Hey, 0:02:56.639 --> 0:03:00.160 did we say what year this is? This is is 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.520 when this whole thing goes down? Sorry, I just realized 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:04.840 I had no idea what time frame we're Well, that's 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.320 that's because I was giving the backstory first and then 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.440 we were going to jump forward to the actual time. 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:13.560 So we are not yet in We are instead in 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.680 the early nineties when he was in college. He graduated 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.440 and almost it sounds like, basically immediately turned around and 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:24.679 went into the US Air Force. That's kind of the 0:03:24.720 --> 0:03:27.000 way our TC works. I think they give you a scholarship, 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:29.040 then you turn around and you've got to kind of join. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:33.200 You kind of gotta repay it in a way. Yeah. Um, 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.760 But you know the thing is is that he seemed 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.920 to be totally happy in the Air Force. He initially, 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.360 after basic training, he spent four years at Laflett Air 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.520 Force Base, which is in Texas. He was a flight 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.680 instructor there and then later after that four year stint, 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:55.720 he transferred to Davis month And Air Force Base, which 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.800 is in Arizona. He was going to go too into 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:02.520 the training program for flying the ten. I'd love to 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.240 fly Award Hog. It's cool plane. We should talk about 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.160 we should talk about it real quickly. What you probably do. 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:11.480 And I think a lot of people do know what 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:15.640 the word hog is. By look, you just probably don't 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:20.240 know the name. It's a it's a very distinct looking plane. 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:23.400 It's a single seater, so there's no copilot, it's just 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:26.800 the pilot. It's got kind of a stubby nose in 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:31.640 the front and the kind of horizontal tail that the 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.960 H shaped tail, which means there's the horizontal fin and 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.440 then a vertical on each side. But the most distinguishing 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:43.640 feature is its engines, which are mounted on between the 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:48.560 wing and the tail and above them, and it's there 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.200 directed amounted directly onto the fuselage. So it's got these big, 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:57.160 huge turbans attached to the side of Yeah, and it's 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.160 a it's a it's an ugly plane, but I it's 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:01.880 pretty in its own way. And the other thing about 0:05:01.920 --> 0:05:03.840 it too, is it doesn't have like your typical jets, 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:07.000 and unlike a typical jets. It doesn't have the sweatback 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:11.799 stubby wings. They're straight, nice, big, straight, horizontal, rectangular wings, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.520 which is great because it gives it a really nice, 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.400 really low stall speed. Yeh, stall speed on that things 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:20.799 hud twenty miles an hour. And that's without flaps. Because 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:22.600 I saw what in an air show once and he 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.120 flew right by in front of us really low, I 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.520 mean really low, and then and then it just turned 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.960 his nose up like this and took off again. But 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:32.680 I could swear he was going a lot slower than 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.480 folks too, don't know. Stall speed is when the thing 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:40.560 stops flying. Yeah, that's what that's what starts to falla fly. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.120 But no, they're they're really cool. They are. They're very 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.640 blatantly designed for one thing, and that is blowing stuff up. Though. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.200 Um it's got that stubby nose because it's got a 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:58.279 giant thirty millimeter can in in the nose and that cannon. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.679 The fuselage of the body of the plane is actually 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:05.400 built around that cannon. It's so huge. The wings are 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:10.080 meant to hold all kinds of munitions. I saw a 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:14.000 picture of one that was banking and it looked I 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:17.120 think there was a total of ten projectiles on it, 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:20.240 so it was all kinds of different missiles and bombs 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.640 and the thing was just like bristling for wars, like 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:25.760 don't mess with it. It's gonna throw everything. And plus 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.560 that thirty mechanic can really lay down some fire. Yeah, 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:32.720 it drops an amazing amount of ammunition in a second. 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.440 It's it's really it's crazy. It's the depleted geranium bullets. 0:06:36.600 --> 0:06:39.120 And when they want to be armor piercing, yeah, yeah, exactly, 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.440 and they can take out a tank real easy. And 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:43.839 that's that's and that's what that slow saw speed really 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:45.720 comes in handy because if you're going over like a 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.040 column like a tank Callum or something like that, you 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:50.280 gotta take your sweet time and just you know, and 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:53.200 get lots of rounds into each one of them. So yeah, 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:55.920 going as fast as you can and hoping that you 0:06:56.040 --> 0:06:59.560 hit them with something. Yes, So it has a military advantage. Yeah, 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:02.320 And just just to editorialize a little bit, every periodically 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:04.200 the Air Force announces that they're going to phase out 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:05.880 the A ten. They've done it at least a couple 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.400 of times now, and you know, I think it's a 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:11.280 ploy to just get Congress to pony up more cash 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.880 and just says, uh, you know, we want to face 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.000 out the A ten because you know, we just think 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:19.080 that we do it with supply lines and support personnel 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:20.400 and all that stuff. It will save us a bunch 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.240 of money we can put towards our fancier stuff. And 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.520 and and everybody else says, are you freaking crazy? And 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.880 then and then and then Congress ponies up a little 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:29.960 more money. So I don't think they really intend to 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:32.680 do service for a long time. Well, they're planning on 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:34.440 keeping them in service for a whole lot longer. Well, 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:35.840 that's what I means. They've been in service for a 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:38.360 long time. They as far as I look. When I 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.720 looked at it, it doesn't appear that they're making new 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:44.720 A tens. They're just maintaining their existing stock. Yeah, and 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:46.560 they built a lot of these things. They did. They 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.000 really did enough about the A ten. We're gonna go 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:56.840 ahead and we're gonna jump to February. Um Button started 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:01.000 his A ten training at Davis monthon the third of February. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.800 It's a a D two day program, so he should 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.840 have been done sometime in the spring, and at that 0:08:09.000 --> 0:08:13.120 point he was scheduled to strang to transfer out to. Oh, Joe, 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:14.440 you're gonna have to help me with the name of 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:18.280 this air base. Okay, I'll go with that. Which is 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.880 an air Yeah, which is an air base in Germany. Um. So, 0:08:22.200 --> 0:08:25.720 upon completion of his training, he already had orders to 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.480 ship out to somewhere else, so he was expected to 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:33.280 obviously passage training. We're gonna move about two months into 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:38.560 his training to the second of April, Button and two 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.680 other planes take off. They have a mission where they're 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.839 gonna fly from Davis month and Air Force Base to 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.160 what's called the Goldwater Gunnering Range, which is kind of 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:53.960 near Hella Bend, Arizona. And for a bit of reference, 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.560 Hella Bend is on the very bottom edge of the state. 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.440 It's about a hundred miles or a hundred sixty pometers 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.120 from the Mexico border. And it's also about a hundred 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:08.240 miles I believe it is west of the actual air 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:10.480 Force base, so's it's kind of in the middle of nowhere. 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:14.400 And where's Davis Monthum, it's about a hundred miles or 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:17.520 so from Phoenix, Arizona. And that's a that's an off 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:22.040 the top of my head, Yes, yes, yeah, Usually these 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:26.960 bombing ranges that could usually kind of out yeah for goods, 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:29.920 because you don't want a bunch of people around. So 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.640 the the U. S. Air Force, they don't typically make 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:36.440 their practice runs a straight line. You want to get 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.520 some time on the sticks, so they would They were 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.480 known for doing things like circling around the state and 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.240 taking kind of a roundabout route to get to the 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:48.760 gunnery range. And indeed that appears to be what they did. 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.040 Before they got to the gunnery range, all of the 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:56.400 planes in his formation fueled up. So in air fueling, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.640 which is not an easy thing. We were just talking 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.280 about this. It's like, try to get a straw at 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:04.680 four hundred miles an hour onto something below you. I can't. 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:10.240 It sounds amazingly, but all the wind speed is really 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.360 what I'm reacting to, and they probably don't do it 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.680 four hundred miles an hour. It's definitely hard though. It's crazy, 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:19.280 I would think, especially in turbulence, and there's turbulence quite 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.040 a lot of the time about Yeah. So they go 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:27.720 through this fueling process and then Button drops back behind 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.640 the other two planes and a bit of a follow 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:35.360 the leader formation, and this is expected, and then all 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.280 of a sudden he um turns and he leaves the 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:44.240 formation and the mission leader sees him flying away and 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:48.400 calls him on the radio, but he doesn't respond. As 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:51.040 a matter of fact, he's turned off. This plane, by 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:53.199 the way, has three radios on it. He turns off 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.599 all of his radios or stops responding to them, and 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.280 he turns off his transponders for tracking purposes, and he 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.680 just goes dark, and he just flies away and heads 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:08.720 off in a northeasterly past and he's gone from there, 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:12.880 it is, And the U. S. Air Force really didn't 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.400 know what to make of it, and they had no 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:18.440 idea what was going on. And it took nearly two 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.079 weeks to piece together where he had gone and what 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.680 had happened, based on sightings from people on the ground, because, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:29.000 like we talked about, this plane is so recognizable, its 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:34.760 profile is very unique. And then they started finding records 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.320 in uh airfield's radar logs to say that they had 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:42.160 spotted him, that nobody evidently got a hold of him. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.120 And interesting, isn't it. Yeah, seem wrong. It seems a 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.880 little weird that nobody contacted him more recorded, Hey, what 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.679 the hell is going on? Yeah? I mean, it's if 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.520 there's a plane, right basically a bogey that's not responding 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:01.760 at all, and it's not that nobody plan and like 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.040 there's a report of it being like heavily laden with munitions. 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.839 They wouldn't see that that, but you don't know, like 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:12.480 somebody might call I don't know any even if not 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:15.880 thought that he had gone down somewhere in the area 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.679 of where he had broke formation. So that is one 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.599 thing to keep in Even if they had didn't have 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:23.640 reports of you know, him being having munitions or anything 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:28.239 like that, it's still like a war vehicle that's not responding. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.520 That's just very expensive vehicle yet through. But that also 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.040 you know, any of the any of the airspace that 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.599 he was flying through, was like, oh, we don't know 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:40.360 why that's there, but okay, you're not responding, no problem, 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:43.120 we won't send someone to figure out what's going on. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.439 You're definitely not going to do any kind of like 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.160 terrorist e blowy uppy things. Well, now, the a of 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.080 the airfields he was going past, you're talking about people 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.000 that small, the small airfields. There's not like he was 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:58.960 going past Denver International Airport and get picked up. Although 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.760 that is the direction he ends up going. Yeah, so 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.400 let's because because they were able to piece all this together, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.400 we we have an idea of his path. So he 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:13.120 after he breaks formation, he spotted flying northeast past Lake Roosevelt, 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.079 which is in Arizona, and that itself is about a 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.400 hundred miles or hundred sixty kilometers northeast of Phoenix and 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:24.400 at about and that's at about twelve thirty. And then 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.040 he's seen passing near Tell Your Ride, Colorado around one 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:32.240 o'clock that day, one oh eight pm, which is kind 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:37.079 of a weirdly specific time. But he's spotted near Montrose, Colorado. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.280 When did he take off? He took off just before noon, 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:43.000 just several minutes before twelve, so he made he made 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.640 really good time. So in an hour and eight minutes 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.559 they were able to puts around and then do a 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:52.760 refielding thing and and and he was able to take off, well, takeoff, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.280 take off, I mean, when did he actually lift off 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.439 from the ground Air Force base. I have not seen 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.400 the time that his is his flight group left, I 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:05.400 didn't see that recorded, so I can't I can't answer that. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.840 All I do know is I know that the time 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:11.000 that he broke away so I don't know exactly how 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:13.520 long he was in the air. Um. So he then 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.440 at that point, like I said, he goes from Montrose 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.040 from that point. Before that point, I should say he 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.240 had been coming in basically a straight line. He hadn't 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.840 really been changing elevation, just he's cruising from here, is 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:33.720 flying changes rather dramatically. He is seen flying in kind 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:37.600 of a zigzag pattern, and he's changing altitude. I think 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.720 it was anywhere from sixteen thousand feet to four thousand feet. 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.040 He's a great no, not a great idea in the Rockies, 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.520 you're right. Um. So, here's what his path is is 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.760 that after one oh eight, he turns a few degrees 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:55.760 more east and now he's going even more easterly. About 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.560 five minutes or ish later, he does a basically a 0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:02.560 hundred n eighty degree turn and now he's heading south. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:07.320 And then about five minutes later he turns again, and 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:12.280 now he's heading northeast again for approximately enter five or 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.040 ten minutes. And these are all approximates because it's based 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.720 on you know, sightings and stuff like that. But around 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.600 one forty in the afternoon, the residents of Aspen in 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:26.600 the area around it, they reported hearing a really loud explosion, 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.200 and they said they saw smoke coming from the New 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:33.520 York Mountain area, which is not far from gold Dust Peak. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.280 It's no, it's basically right next door. Yeah, but then 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.640 how far is that from Aspen Ballpark? I'm going to 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.080 say that it's less than fifty miles, and that's a 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:44.880 ballpark number off the top of my head. I didn't 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.040 never actually trace the how far it was because I 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.120 never got an exact point for where he hit. In 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.440 other words, I never went to the uh satellite images 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.080 and tried to find that. But I have a ballpark 0:15:57.120 --> 0:16:01.760 about fifty miles and I'm probably wrong. Well, what, obviously, 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.240 as as you've probably guessed by some of the things 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.600 that we've said so far, what those people heard was 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:12.480 Craig Buttons ten flying into the side of gold Dust 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.080 Peaks and s okay, so I was wrong. It's three 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.280 times as far as I thought. It was pretty dang close. Yes, 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:23.840 probably too far to actually hear the sound of the 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:26.240 plane crashing. No, just I think that they could hear 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:28.840 a bit of an explosion, you know, it's muffled over 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.280 and like that, or maybe something else blew up. I mean, thanks, 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:38.080 to blow up. They do. Yeah, so button hits. He 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.800 strikes the mountain at about a hundred feet below its 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.840 peak or thirty meters below its peak. And by the way, 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.080 the elevation of the peak of that mountain is around 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:54.720 two hundred feet, which is four thousand meters. When, by 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.240 the way, whether was there cover, Yes, there was some 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.640 cloud cover. He was seen flying around the clouds and 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:05.120 ducking through holes in the clouds, coming in and out. 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:08.159 So that's why people think, well, it's weird. They were 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.560 so straight and then suddenly he was flying around the weather. 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:13.199 It's very strange that he would be doing that all 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.240 of a sudden. But I'm guessing if he's at a 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.720 lower altitude then it might become a problem at that point. 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:23.800 Um okay. So, like I said, US Air Force to 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:25.440 take him a couple of weeks to figure out what's 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.440 going on. They then start combing the area and they 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.880 eventually find the crash site and they're able to get 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.560 people onto the mountain, which takes a little bit longer 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.200 because the weather is really bad. You know, it's April 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:42.919 or snow, it's Colorado. When they get there, though, they 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.240 discover several things. Uh. The first of which is that 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.280 they find the wreckage of his plane, and they find 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.440 his body, and they find the computer that is on 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.960 board the plane. But what they don't find is the 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:58.440 bombs because because by the way, I didn't mention this, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:04.600 but his his training run was using live ammunition, and 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:09.760 the war Hog was carrying four five hundred pound Mark 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:15.359 two bombs. They are they're called the dumb bomb. They 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.040 are not a guided missile of any way, shape or form. 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.720 You you can, but these were not. It is a 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:24.240 five hundred pound bomb that when it hits the ground, 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:28.040 causes a big hole and blows stuff. Just a normal bomb. 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.119 It's kind of a general purpose explosives. It's not like 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:35.800 a nuke or anything crazy. Conventional explosives, but you know, 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.560 I mean obviously still devastating. Oh yeah, not so they 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:42.240 flame the effort. They can flame trapnel for like a mile. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.639 Oh yeah, they And we'll talk about some of the 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.840 specs on him in a bit, but they do. They 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.560 do some serious damp. I just wanted to make sure 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:52.240 we were talking like, no, no crazy weapons, so weird 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:57.440 uranium trade or something like that. Bob, Yeah, I think 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:00.200 it goes. It's pretty it's pretty apparent he or the 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.000 the US Air Force. As soon as they find everything 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.680 and they figure out that the marketing twos aren't there, 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:11.480 they start combing the entire area around the crash site. 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:16.120 They make a very very intense I'm I'm guessing it's 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.960 you know, it's I'm guessing that the kind of search 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.960 they did was, you know, people on foot, not just 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.960 circling overhead, because they're using things like ground penetrating radar. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.920 Within a several mile perimeter of where the crash happens. 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.960 There's a lot of little lakes in that area, and 0:19:32.080 --> 0:19:36.159 so they actually started sending divers into those lakes with 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.280 the idea that maybe the bombs dropped and they hit 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.399 the water and they either were not activated or they 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.040 didn't just didn't go off because they hit the water 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.359 and sank, rather than going in those first and and 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.840 of course this search, you know, like I said, it 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:51.480 took him two weeks to figure out where where he 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:55.280 was his plane had gone, and then couldn't get right 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:57.800 in right away, so it takes several weeks to get there. 0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.160 So we're looking at like a month or two lay eater, 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.640 because they went and did an initial search and then 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.760 they had to stop because of the weather. And then 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.040 when they got back there, because obviously the snow melt 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.040 had happened, the debris field has shifted downhill. So that's 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.080 why it was kind of tough to figure out where 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.920 everything was. But there's there's looking everywhere because they want 0:20:20.960 --> 0:20:25.280 to know where the hell are these bombs tiny? No, 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.440 they're not at all. They're they're pretty big. And the 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:32.040 nice thing about the market D two is that the 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.760 pilot has to arm the bomb. It is not as 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.880 if they are flying around with something that it could 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.200 just go off at anyone, because that's just foolish. But 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:46.160 they were pretty sure that he hadn't armed the bombs, 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:49.640 which is probably why they should just be laying somewhere 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:53.440 and easily found. It's unlikely because I mean, they knew 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.120 as approximate flight course and so actually they flew over 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.359 it looking for big craters, so that's one way to 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.800 know that they did not. Yeah. Um, now there's a 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.920 couple of things here that about it. That I said 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.000 that the flight computer on the plane was found, and 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.800 that would have recorded what he had done with the bombs. 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:14.760 It would have it wouldn't have recorded say where he 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:16.680 would have dropped them, but it would have said were 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.280 they dropped and were they armed wind dropped? I thought 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:22.480 that wasn't the most weather resistant computer though. Oh it 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:28.120 also wasn't very shock resistant because because the impact destroyed 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.440 it and they couldn't recover any data off of it. 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:36.480 I have read conflicting accounts of this next bit that 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.879 we're going to talk about here, which is the racks 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.879 on the wings of the plane. I've seen sources that 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:46.920 said that they the racks were not disengaged. In other words, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.159 I think of it as a clamp. Clamp is engaged, 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:53.600 it's gonna be holding onto it, and disengaged it is 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:56.240 going to be open. They said those clamps on the 0:21:56.320 --> 0:22:01.040 struts of the wings were still engaged, so he shouldn't 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:04.120 have dropped the bomb. In other words, it couldn't. It's 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.280 not as if when he dropped them they close again. 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:09.360 So in other words, I've heard it both ways too, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.679 Although if he had crashed with the bombs attached, they 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.119 should have ripped free, and I would imagine also but 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.160 also that the mounds would have been also seriously ripped 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:23.600 corn off to Yeah, and the accounts that's that say 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:28.119 that he released the bombs before I've actually found more 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.840 credible than the other counts. So yeah, I think he 0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:33.720 released him well before crash and he made very well. 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:35.960 And that's that actually is kind of the end of 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:39.920 the story, which actually just with two different mysteries. One 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:44.320 what did did Button commits suicide? Because that's one of 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:47.040 the main things you will hear. Why did he fly? 0:22:47.359 --> 0:22:49.600 What what happened? Why was he there? Why did he 0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:54.159 break formation? And to what happened to the market he twos? 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:56.520 So we have two mysteries and we're gonna start with 0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:58.560 the first one that I just brought up, which is 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.680 did he or did he not actually commits suicide? Because 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.440 that is the most popular one and you will see 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:07.399 a lot of reporting on it, and you will get 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.080 a lot of stuff from the U. S. Air Force 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:15.639 that seems to indicate that he did intentionally commit suicide 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:20.840 by Mountain m H. Just to clarify um real quick 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.240 before we jumped into he was like like very talented 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:28.720 right there. I knew that he was talented. He was 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.919 a good pilot. They don't let any idiot fly that point, right, 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.080 But like compared to his peers, was he like, you know, 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.920 way better? He was a flight instructor for several years, 0:23:38.000 --> 0:23:42.640 which I would take to indicate that he was skilled stuff. Um. 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.840 And as after that, I couldn't. I couldn't comment on 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:51.560 how he ranked among his his fellow airmen. Cool, Yeah, 0:23:51.640 --> 0:23:54.800 I would say, you've been flying for since he was seventeen. Yeah, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:59.000 probably a good plot and a good pilot. Yeah. Okay, 0:23:59.280 --> 0:24:01.520 So first, before we even get into the theories, I 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:04.600 am going to say reiterate what we said earlier, which 0:24:04.760 --> 0:24:07.760 is he was considered a straight shooter. He didn't smoke, 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.240 he didn't drink, and there is nothing that ever came 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:13.919 up in his body that ever said that he had 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:17.359 any substance abuse issues or that he was drunk at 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.639 the time or anything crazy like that. So those are 0:24:19.680 --> 0:24:21.960 easy things to just sweep out of the way. Initially, 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.639 there was also no evidence of hypoxia, right not. No, 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.000 I didn't. I saw thoughts about that, and we'll talk 0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:31.240 about that a little bit more later, but I don't 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.080 believe that that was the case. First first sub theory 0:24:35.240 --> 0:24:40.160 inside of suicide is the reason was family objections. From 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.920 all of the accounts that I've read, Button was excited 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:46.119 about the fact that he was going to get to 0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:50.240 transferred and go to Europe. He was happy where he was, 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.119 and everybody seemed to think that he was in good shape. 0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:59.600 But according to this theory, he was actually semi secretly 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:04.760 struggling with his family's religious beliefs. His mother and father 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:09.280 were Jehovah's witnesses, and they had been in that religion 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.000 for they converted about twenty years prior to that. Now, 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:17.920 officially the Jehovah's Witnesses, they don't serve in the military. 0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:21.400 They pacifists, they don't believe in doing that. Um, it's 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:25.840 against their beliefs. And based on his age and the 0:25:26.240 --> 0:25:28.960 how far back they had converted, I get the feeling 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:32.520 that the family converted when he was a kid, you know, 0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:37.320 say ten twelve, somewhere in that age system. And I 0:25:37.480 --> 0:25:40.440 don't believe that he actually became a member of the church, 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:43.240 which would explain why he went into the Air Force. 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:47.200 But his wasn't. His dad also the World War two 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:50.560 and Vietnam era pilot, yes, but that was prior to 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:54.200 the conversion. So he did that and he served his 0:25:54.320 --> 0:26:00.600 military career before finding his faith. According to this the 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:04.240 thing is is that his mother, because of the religious beliefs, 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:07.840 she was not happy about him being in the military, 0:26:08.520 --> 0:26:11.919 and she tried to convince him to leave the military 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.560 on a very regular basis. Uh. In some families, that 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.439 is known as nagging mom. I don't know how these 0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:21.919 conversations went, but I get the feeling that sometimes they 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:24.679 weren't always the happiest affairs. But you know, I can 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:26.960 think of alternatives to suicide. If you've got that issue. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.600 Number One, mom gets your way. Number Two, you just 0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.000 don't talk to mom that much. There's there's a number 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:34.720 of ways around this, but we're going to continue on 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:37.160 with it. Even though Joe has a simple solution there, 0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:41.120 that's what I would have done. So there he goes, 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:46.160 Button experiences a crisis of faith when he realizes, as 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.800 some people have said, he said, he was being trained 0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:54.320 to kill people, and it was this crisis that made 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:58.359 him decide instead of just simply quitting to take his 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.560 own life. To be it's probably a little more complicated 0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.600 than that. Very unsimplifying this a lot. Well. I just mean, 0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:09.040 if he did the r OTC program right, he owed 0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.359 the U. S. Government a ton of money. If he 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.720 were to say, hey, I know you guys just paid 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.680 for me to full ride through four years of college. 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.159 But I'm not saying that he like actively owed. But 0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.040 I don't think you can just drop out of the 0:27:24.119 --> 0:27:28.720 military two months after. But but they don't full ride, 0:27:28.760 --> 0:27:31.280 you believe me. I remember, guys, I was in college 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:34.000 at the same time as this guy, and I remember 0:27:34.200 --> 0:27:37.320 the kids in the r OTC program when I was there, 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:40.960 and they it was they got a healthy amount, but 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.840 it wasn't as if the the r OTC paid them 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:47.640 a full ride because they hey, college kids are unreliable 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.840 and they can't support every one of the little boogers. Well, okay, 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:56.240 so he did, he was required to serve a certain 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:57.879 amount of time. He would have owed them a lot 0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:01.240 of money. That he definitely would. But I mean, don't 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.480 go into the r OTC because their parents can pay 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.640 for their college because they're from really well off families 0:28:08.800 --> 0:28:14.120 usually right, because they need help paying for it. Yeah, 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:15.880 So I just I mean, I think it's a little 0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:17.840 more complicated than like, oh, he could have just quit 0:28:17.920 --> 0:28:20.440 his job. Well now, I mean, nobody's saying it could 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:24.560 have quit his job, even you know, money aside. That's 0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:26.680 just not the way the military works. You signed, you 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:30.280 sign your papers year four years or six years. But 0:28:30.840 --> 0:28:33.840 you know, there's there's also the thing called the transfer. 0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.880 You can say, I have an issue. I am now 0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.400 I've I've taken on this faith and i cannot fly. 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.800 And you know the military has to have somebody that 0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.080 cleans the bathroom. Well, he could have gone back to 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:49.120 being a flight instructor. Yeah, he could have done a 0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.040 million things. But now here's the other thing is is, 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:54.720 from what I've heard, he said he really enjoyed blasting 0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.400 away with that thirty milita candy. And well, let's yeah, 0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.480 so that's the quote here and that's out. I mean, yeah, 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.880 let's let's get to that right now. So we're gonna 0:29:04.880 --> 0:29:06.680 we're gonna go back to the family, which is the 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:10.000 family had visited in March, both his parents, and they 0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:12.600 said it was a great visit and he was happy 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:16.280 and there was no problems. Um, there was no disagreements. 0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:19.440 And he apparently also he kept in touch with the 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.480 people that he had been renting from when he was 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.480 stationed in Texas, and he had written them a letter. 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:27.040 Because this is back in the day when you still 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.360 wrote real letters and sent them by mail letters such 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.080 an antiquated system. But no, so he sends them a 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.680 letter Strangely enough, they received that letter on the second 0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:43.400 of April, which is a little weird. But the letter says, actually, Joe, 0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.880 do you mind reading this? It's no, no, in your voice, 0:29:48.000 --> 0:29:51.800 not in your German voice? Okay? Uh quote. Flying is 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.600 going well. I love the ten Most everything we do 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.520 is low level. I'll be dropping live bombs this week. 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.720 The gun is a blast my phone for a week 0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:02.600 just recently, and I took them to the Grand Canyon. 0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:06.120 Would you believe they had never been there before? Unquote? 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:11.000 So that's that sounds like a very excited, happy guy 0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.360 doing what he really likes to do. Yeah, who you 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:19.280 could blow things up? Yeah? Well, flying through the air? 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:21.720 Are you kidding me? Oh? Yeah, I believe me. I had. 0:30:21.880 --> 0:30:23.720 My dad was in the military for years and he 0:30:24.000 --> 0:30:26.720 loved the fact that he got the blow stuff up. Yeah. 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:29.160 I will just add to this theory. The thing that 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:32.840 we always say around suicides doesn't mean that he had 0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:35.120 to have been I mean, you know, this isn't contingent 0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:38.960 on him have been, you know, particularly unhappy with that situation. 0:30:39.160 --> 0:30:41.480 He could have been hiding things. You know, people who 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.480 appear happy killed themselves all the time. We don't want 0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.600 to belittle that. But let's talk about some other theories. Yeah, 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.360 so that is the end of that theory. So we're 0:30:50.400 --> 0:30:53.840 going to go to uh sub theory too, which is 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:57.600 the jilted lover theory. I feel like every time we 0:30:57.720 --> 0:31:02.240 do anything that's like air disappear or military or both 0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:06.560 really together of military artist appearance, there's always the jilted lover, 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:10.160 and there's always the next one. Oh well, well, what 0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:14.880 about the the naval ones. The naval ones always have it. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.000 Half the US the UFO ones have this, and I actually, 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:23.160 you know what, we should just make this a standard 0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:27.400 filler for all scripts. Actually don't. We just fell out 0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.800 a form anyway, we do see TPS report that's the one, 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:36.120 not the TSP, the TPN. Yeah, the TSP TPS when 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.520 we fill up. Okay, so no, the jilted lover. According 0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:43.320 to this theory, when Button joined the Air Force, he 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:48.000 had a relationship with another classmate, and according to this reporting, 0:31:48.200 --> 0:31:52.520 he kind of sort of asked her to marry him 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:56.760 and she turned him down, and that apparently he took 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.160 that quite hard and it took him several years to 0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:03.800 get over. She apparently called him at the in Christmas 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:07.880 and I don't know if they talked or was just 0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.200 left a message kind of scenario. I don't know. Um, 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:13.560 I may be able to shed some light on this 0:32:13.800 --> 0:32:17.200 having dated someone who was in basic training ones, which 0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:19.960 I think is similar to this. You can't call them. 0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:23.240 I mean, well, they were both in the in the service, 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:27.640 they were both she was also in the program. I 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.400 don't know how that deals with at that point, but 0:32:30.240 --> 0:32:32.880 it's hard to get in contact with people who are 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:36.600 in this sort of basic training. This is this is 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.160 well past his basic training. I'm sorry, in any kind 0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.720 of training situation in the military, it is hard to 0:32:41.760 --> 0:32:44.400 get a hold of somebody. Okay, possibly maybe not now, 0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:46.800 but maybe back twenty years ago. No, actually it's still 0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.560 kind of hardy. They cut down the lines of communication. 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:51.800 They really kind of you get to have your cell 0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:54.320 phone out there in the trenches. No, it turns out 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:58.480 that Google maps not so good with the trenches. Neither 0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.120 his sirie. Okay, don't know what happens here is in 0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:06.160 nineties six Apparently she calls uh, he calls her back 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.880 on the first of April, or calls her. I don't 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:12.360 think they had had contact between Christmas, and then she's 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.200 unable to talk at that time, though, and she takes 0:33:15.240 --> 0:33:18.200 his phone number down and then she calls him back 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.680 on the fifth or the sixth of April, unaware that 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:24.840 he had he had taken his plane and gone a wall. 0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.360 According to this theory, after we know this a little 0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.440 bit about this lady, the theory goes that he realized 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:33.400 that he was in love with her and she wouldn't 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:36.760 talk to him, and that coupled with the fact no joke, 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:39.240 this is part of the theory that he had bought 0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:43.719 a VCR at a copy of The Bridges of Madison County. 0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.040 That was what pushed him over the edge. So that 0:33:48.120 --> 0:33:50.360 the last movie that poor guy ever saw that's the 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:53.280 one that he bought with the VHS player. And by 0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:59.280 the way, this theory, this comes from the psychological autopsy 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.360 that was by the US Air Force. And I've never 0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:06.800 heard of a psychological autopsy before. I can sort of 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:10.120 see that. Can someone please tell me the plot of 0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:16.600 Bridges of Medicine County. It is a sad love not 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.839 meant to be movie with Clint Eastwood and some other 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:25.239 actress Barrel Street, and they they want to be but 0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:29.080 their lives won't let them and move. I never saw 0:34:29.200 --> 0:34:31.239 that movie. I never want to Oh, I don't, I 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:33.960 don't ever want to watch like fifteen minutes once and 0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.080 then I ran, I've literally never heard of it. So 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.320 you'll be trying for weeks. I'm a bad girl. I 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:42.920 guess you are that. You know what I mean? Seriously 0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.480 to me, I don't want to see Clint Eastwood on 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:49.480 the screen without a gun in his hands. Know his son, 0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:52.040 Scott Eastwood. I would see him any day of the 0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:55.560 all right, you too back on topic here, So we're 0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:59.319 gonna move from that silly theory to another silly theory, 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:05.120 which is suicide sub theory three gay lover. Yep, this 0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:08.040 one's always in there as well. And I'm gonna say 0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:12.399 right now, I couldn't substantiate this except for a few 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:19.960 places which mentioned a supposed undisclosed US Air Force insider 0:35:20.920 --> 0:35:24.839 who said that the Air Force had discovered that Craig 0:35:24.920 --> 0:35:30.000 Button was in the closet. No, this is something that 0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:33.239 came out and uh and has been out there for 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.200 a while. Sorry that was a bad turn of phrase. Um, 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.680 but no, this was out there for a while. And 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.080 that's it's really There's not a whole lot to this, Joe, 0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:47.279 nothing to back it up. That's one and a half paragraphs. Yes, 0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:48.880 and that's because I patted it with a little bit 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:53.320 of history. So the story goes that one of Craig's 0:35:53.360 --> 0:35:57.400 previous lovers was planning to come forward and disclose their relationship. 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.799 And today that doesn't seem like it's a big deal. 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:03.279 I'm sorry, I'm air quoting. Wouldn't be a big deal. 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.040 It wouldn't be a big deal to day, he shouldn't 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.279 be a big deal. But but at the time, this 0:36:08.440 --> 0:36:11.279 is ninety seven, and in ninety four, Bill Clinton had 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:15.640 signed into effect Don't Ask, Don't Tell, which said that 0:36:16.239 --> 0:36:18.840 if you were a closet, if you were in the closet, 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:21.120 you could be a service member, but if you were 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:24.000 out of the closet, you could not serve in any 0:36:24.120 --> 0:36:26.680 branch of the U. S. Military. I mean, it's it's 0:36:27.800 --> 0:36:30.759 it's a it's a huge known thing. But that would 0:36:30.800 --> 0:36:33.960 have meant, according to this law, that means that this 0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:37.640 person coming forward would have been the end of his 0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:44.040 military career, dish honorable discharge. Right, I'm not sure if no, no, 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:47.000 not not by I mean in the days of McCarthy, Yeah, 0:36:47.040 --> 0:36:48.800 that had totally been a court martial but not not 0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:51.239 at this point. But I think it was a discharge. 0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.200 It was definitely wasn't an honorable discharge either, but I 0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.919 don't remember the specifics of how they did it. Yeah, 0:36:57.000 --> 0:37:00.520 there there's like honorable general and dishonorable. And I don't 0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:03.160 think they're gonna waste time on a court martial. Even 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:05.359 back in the old days, they just discharge you, Yeah, 0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:13.800 wasting time on a trial. Right, what about gay suicide Pact? No, no, 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:15.439 I haven't and we're going to leave that alone because 0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:18.040 that's not anywhere in here. But you just made it 0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:19.960 up for fun. No, he just pulled it from a 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.440 different one, you know. Oh, that's you're looking at the 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:25.640 wrong TPS form that was on the other one from 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:30.120 last week. Okay, so that is the end of the 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:36.200 he committed suicide theory. Let's now move into Craig Button 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.759 was murdered theory. Yeah, because this one is well, this 0:37:40.960 --> 0:37:42.840 is interesting, is how I'm gonna put it. There's a 0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.440 gentleman by the name of William W. Warwick the Fourth. 0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.239 I read some of the stuff I have too. I've 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.000 read a lot of his stuff actually, and he makes 0:37:52.040 --> 0:37:56.480 a lot of claims he's connected this story to some 0:37:56.840 --> 0:38:00.600 UFO sightings and he's he's jen really made a big 0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:04.040 stink on the internet about it. So here try to 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:06.759 connect this to like nine eleven. Uh, you know, he 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:08.960 may have and I probably just didn't go that far 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:11.719 through his stuff. It's how you can do that. But 0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.680 you know, he's very creative in his ways. He is. 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:19.200 He's a very creative man. So here is what Warwick says. 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:25.200 On the thirteenth of March. A series of unexplained lights 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.279 are seen in the night sky over Phoenix. That is 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.520 what is commonly referred to as the Phoenix Lights, and 0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:35.239 it is a UFO citing. It is something that we 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.560 may talk about in the future. So I'm just going 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:41.839 to give the barest, simplest description of the event, which 0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:47.440 is that stationary lights were seen and described they were. 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.200 They were first described as a pair, and then there 0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:52.839 was a third and then a fourth light, and then 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.439 they went out, and then a new set of three lights. 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.799 It appeared supposedly smaller lights were peeling off of them 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:03.680 and then coming back to them. And then there was 0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.520 also a triangular formation of lights that were seen in 0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.799 the sky at a different time and a different location 0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.160 of Phoenix. So there's this whole thing, like the whole 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:16.439 city is freaking out because they see lights in the sky. 0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.200 That is the simplest version of the Phoenix Lights. Yeah, 0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:22.560 but I mean I've read a little bit about the 0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:24.880 Phoenix Lights. But actually it wasn't like everybody in the 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:27.279 city saw these things, right, No, but a lot of 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.920 people reported it, A lot of people. But I mean 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:32.600 out of the population of Phoenix, really a tiny percentage 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.080 actually reported it, right. I don't I can't answer that. 0:39:35.120 --> 0:39:38.120 I don't know, Joe. I didn't do but the basest 0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.000 looking into the Phoenix light because I was really focused 0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.520 on what this guy's theory was for this. I didn't 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:46.160 want to cover the Phoenix Lights that way. We have 0:39:46.239 --> 0:39:49.080 it open to someday talk about it there, Okay, Okay, 0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:54.640 So no spoilers from Joe, but I will because here's 0:39:54.680 --> 0:39:57.239 what the U. S. Air Force says. They said that 0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:01.680 they actually had a set of a tens flying a 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:05.239 nighttime mission in the area at that time, and they're 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:09.040 responsible for the stationary lights because what was happening is 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:13.560 they were on a night time practice bombing run. But 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:17.680 rather than dropping munitions or live munitions. Even more so, 0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:21.879 what they were doing instead is they were dropping flares. Yeah, 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:26.240 it makes total sense. Well, if you think about flares 0:40:26.440 --> 0:40:30.600 from a far distance on a parachute floating through the sky, 0:40:31.280 --> 0:40:33.879 you could see how people would say, oh, well, that's weird. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:37.359 Is a stationary set of lights that's really strange. There's two, 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:40.200 now there's three, now there's four. So this is This 0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:44.680 is the Air Forces description of the events where it 0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.240 claims that it is a complete and total cover story, 0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:52.239 and that the lights really are UFOs, and that the 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:56.680 US Air Force is covering for some reason for the 0:40:56.920 --> 0:40:59.440 e t s that were there, because of course they are, 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.359 because of course they are literally what the US Air 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:08.759 Force does. And Button he uh, he was possibly a 0:41:08.880 --> 0:41:12.880 member of the flight crew that was covering or chasing 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:16.479 the aliens. Mainly he makes his connection, I think because 0:41:16.640 --> 0:41:18.840 it was a tens and buttons and a ten pilot. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:22.920 But that's just my guess um. But Button, hearing all 0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.280 of this stuff four years later that's going on about 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.680 the Phoenix lights, decides that he's gonna blow the whole 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.920 thing wide open, and the U. S Air Force realizes 0:41:33.000 --> 0:41:35.319 that their only course of action is to kill him. 0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:41.600 Of course, of course, Well here's a great thing this is, 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.400 this is how he He makes a lot of suppositions 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:45.759 here and this is the one I like the best, 0:41:46.239 --> 0:41:52.680 which is they decide to simply remotely control his plane 0:41:53.239 --> 0:41:56.319 and fly it into the mountain side for him, thus 0:41:56.719 --> 0:42:00.520 silencing him during this this training run. So they make 0:42:00.600 --> 0:42:03.800 him do some weird behavior and then just fly away. 0:42:04.840 --> 0:42:08.880 They the US Air Force. Then, uh, they well, you know, actually, 0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:10.640 I guess this kind of goes in two different directions. 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.200 They could have floated into the mountain in Colorado, or 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:15.880 they could have just crashed his plane during the training mission. 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.880 It would have been simpler because going on the Colorado 0:42:19.960 --> 0:42:21.759 is a joint pan of the butt. But then what 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.600 they would do, remember we found a plane in Colorado 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.360 that was an E ten. They would have taken wreckage 0:42:27.520 --> 0:42:31.840 from an A ten and deposited it onto the mountain 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:36.600 side along with his body, and then later on quote 0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:41.560 unquote found it to then keep their whole story stitched 0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:45.600 together as a sound of you guys so far, well 0:42:45.640 --> 0:42:47.920 go ahead. I guess I would say, like the zombie 0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:49.920 plane theory makes a lot of sense to me. This 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:51.719 is something that they talked about. We talked about a 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:54.279 little bit maybe with MH three seventy where they are 0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:58.279 talking about with m H three seventy, know that they 0:42:58.320 --> 0:43:02.280 would have killed him and remote controlled the entire time 0:43:03.040 --> 0:43:08.600 from takeoff to land pilot controlled as piloted in the 0:43:08.680 --> 0:43:11.480 cockpit ever um, and that they would have done the 0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.399 whole mission so that the other people who were doing 0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:16.759 the mission could have corroborated the story that oh, yeah, 0:43:16.840 --> 0:43:18.360 he was totally in the air with us, and he 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:20.759 was alive, and then he you know, went then he 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:23.440 went off and did his own thing, and like who 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:25.440 knows what happened, and that none of them would be 0:43:25.520 --> 0:43:27.360 in on it, but that the higher ups would go 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.200 and crash them into the side of a mountain, the 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:37.000 closest mountains they could find, which is probably about Colorado. Okay, 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.799 the closest uninhabited mountains. You know, there's mountains. They are 0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:43.840 not the only hard surface on the planet, believe it 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:45.839 or not. Turns out the planet itself is quite hard, 0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:47.839 and it turns out and it and it turns out 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.839 for something like that. If you really need to kill him, 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.759 you just have have your hitman stabbed him or strangle him, 0:43:53.960 --> 0:43:56.440 and in order to remote control the plane all the 0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.640 way to Colorado, you get agree with the controller and 0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.920 and you gotta have somebody who installs it on the plane. 0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:05.640 So there's there's a whole there's a whole thing that. Yeah, 0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:07.759 there's a whole lot. And I have not heard of this. 0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.840 We are able to remotely control and a ten. You 0:44:11.880 --> 0:44:13.680 would think that you would not want to have that 0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:16.480 ability on a plane so that your enemy could not 0:44:16.680 --> 0:44:18.880 hijack your own plane against you. You're not going to 0:44:19.040 --> 0:44:21.360 lead that stuff just you know, and routinely installed. But 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.160 that's my point is that in order to remote remotely 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.160 control one, you'll have to have a whole team of 0:44:26.239 --> 0:44:28.960 guys develop all this stuff and install it on the 0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.600 plane just to take out one dude, Yeah yeah, or 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:34.799 technically possibly take out two, as we're going to find out. 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:37.080 Yeah maybe, But it would be a lot easier just 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:40.959 to put put a bomb on the plane, very easy. 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:45.000 That's that's that's detonated by an altimeter and you only 0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.520 need one assassin to do that. Are better still just 0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:50.400 murder I'm und parking lot somewhere and and that way 0:44:50.440 --> 0:44:52.719 you don't lose it's a random crime, Yeah you don't. 0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:55.680 You don't lose an expensive airframe. So we're all in 0:44:56.040 --> 0:45:01.000 agreement that this is kind of fetched in the farest 0:45:01.080 --> 0:45:04.120 forest reaches of the land, but I'm gonna keep going 0:45:04.200 --> 0:45:06.640 with it. It's it's that actually as absurd as as 0:45:06.680 --> 0:45:08.600 the idea that they killed him somewhere else and then 0:45:08.760 --> 0:45:10.760 it just got some random wreckage from an a tenants 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:12.680 And well, let me let me, let me keep going 0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:14.600 with this, because this is where this goes. Is that 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:20.200 Warwick again he is saying that, Okay, what's an obvious 0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.920 clue that they planted this thing there? Well, one of 0:45:24.000 --> 0:45:26.400 the things is is that the search helicopters when they 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.320 were looking for him, they saw paper fluttering around on 0:45:30.400 --> 0:45:33.160 the mountain side, and that's how they figured out. And 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:34.880 then they saw the metal and they figured out they 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:37.440 were in the right spot. And he says, well, how 0:45:37.560 --> 0:45:41.120 can there be paper there when he he drove the 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:45.680 plane into the mountain, and how would paper survive the 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:50.440 obvious fireball that was gonna happen. Well, I guess more 0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:52.880 of my question is like, how would paper survive the 0:45:53.560 --> 0:45:57.200 you know, onslaught of it was a map supposedly was 0:45:57.280 --> 0:45:59.480 just gives his flight maps that were flo that were 0:45:59.520 --> 0:46:03.480 just enough blowing around and stuff I don't know that 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:05.440 it had been snowing or or if it was just 0:46:05.560 --> 0:46:08.960 really cold, crappy conditions. But they said that there was 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.400 paper flying around and it was supposedly a map. But 0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:15.759 if we keep going with this, they then say that 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.880 because um, there's further evidence that this is going on, 0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:24.880 is that two weeks after he died or after his accident, 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.840 he dies. Uh. There is a U. S Air Force 0:46:29.000 --> 0:46:33.480 captain named Amyba. I'm gonna hope that's how you pronounce 0:46:33.520 --> 0:46:38.799 her name. She died in a ten accident as well. Um, 0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:42.439 And according to him, and this is totally according to work. 0:46:42.440 --> 0:46:46.320 I haven't seen this anywhere else. She was his trainer 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:50.600 when he was in Texas. So that's that's a This 0:46:50.800 --> 0:46:54.160 is a giant leap of faith that he is saying. Now, 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.439 there's a lot of problems obviously, as we talked about, 0:46:56.480 --> 0:46:59.880 there's the whole remote controlling of a plane is really weird. 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.680 And I also I also have to push back on 0:47:03.840 --> 0:47:06.839 the there would have been this giant fireball, so there 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:10.120 shouldn't have been any paper because one of the things 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:13.560 that you need to have for a giant fireball is 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:17.720 a fuel source. When they did the math, they figured 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.759 out that at the very most, when his A ten 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.160 crashed into the side of gold Dust Peak, it had 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:27.600 maybe five minutes of fuel left, if any. So this 0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:30.719 thing he was running on empty, which means when he 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:33.759 went in there would have been some fire, but it 0:47:33.800 --> 0:47:35.680 wouldn't have been as if he went in with a 0:47:35.800 --> 0:47:38.920 full tank and it is a giant movie scene style 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:45.000 explosion then incinerate everything. Yeah, things don't don't explode generally speaking, 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.600 in like they do in the movies. But autopilot is 0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:51.279 a thing, right, Like the autopilot could have been switched on. 0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:53.520 It doesn't need to be remote control, like falling around 0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:56.480 could have been autopilot, and then he could have just 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.720 run out of going into our next serio. Actually perfect, 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:02.840 so let's let's let's go there because the next the 0:48:02.920 --> 0:48:07.080 next theory is that he was incapacitated and or it 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:11.759 was an accident. So the theory goes that there there 0:48:11.880 --> 0:48:17.799 is talk that he suffered some kind of accident. We're 0:48:17.840 --> 0:48:20.040 pretty sure that it couldn't have been hypoxia because that 0:48:20.120 --> 0:48:22.319 should have shown up in his in his blood work 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:26.800 as far as I understand it at least, But for 0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.719 some reason other than that, he was rendered unconscious and 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:36.600 the plane was on autopilot almost the entire time. Now, 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:39.040 that's kind of easy to discount because of the fact 0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.920 that at the last twenty minutes or whatever it was, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:46.440 he was seeing changing elevations, zig zagging back and forth, 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:51.440 going through cloud formations like that doesn't that's not what 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:55.920 an autopilot does. Autopilots don't shut off all your radio 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.800 and exactly. That's also a very very good point. And 0:49:00.000 --> 0:49:03.000 if there was a problem, why wouldn't he have simply 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.799 ejected the plane from the plane, Because by the way, 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:10.200 when you eject the the it sends out a beacon. 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:12.919 You know, it's a come fined me, rescue me kind 0:49:12.960 --> 0:49:16.800 of beacon automatically on purpose. So I seem to remember 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.440 somewhere that pilots of the eight tens could shut that 0:49:19.719 --> 0:49:22.520 off so that the enemy couldn't find them. But I 0:49:22.800 --> 0:49:24.840 gets off the back of my head, I pull that. 0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:27.600 I'm not sure exactly that would make sense. That does 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:29.640 make sense. I'm pretty sure that you can. Yeah, But 0:49:29.719 --> 0:49:32.840 I mean this this whole he had some kind of 0:49:32.960 --> 0:49:35.920 accident that incapacitated him kind and then he flew on 0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:39.040 all up pilot till he suddenly woke up then crashed 0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:41.680 into the mountain. It makes me think of like something 0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.320 that would happen in the the epic chicken fight scene 0:49:44.640 --> 0:49:47.239 from Family Guy. Now, this is like one of those 0:49:47.400 --> 0:49:49.640 random things that they fall through and they hit a 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:54.360 plane and you know, something happens. It's it's it's really 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.000 out there and there isn't isn't actually any evidence to 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:03.600 support that it was just some random, weirdo accident other 0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.120 you know, I don't know. I mean, I wanted to 0:50:06.239 --> 0:50:08.640 be just some random accid. I mean I wanted to 0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:11.960 be He was on autopilot and he came to and 0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.040 he realized he's out of fuel and he's trying to 0:50:14.280 --> 0:50:18.400 search for some place to land. But just nothing that 0:50:18.520 --> 0:50:21.239 really shows that's what he was doing. It doesn't make 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.360 any sense because, like we talked about, he could have 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:26.799 turned everything back on to find somewhere to go. Yeah, 0:50:26.880 --> 0:50:28.920 he could have decided to go rogue and everything and 0:50:29.040 --> 0:50:31.200 somehow got lost in the clouds and didn't realize there 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:32.640 was a mountain in front of him. He could have 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.960 misjudged his descent because like we said, he hit a 0:50:35.040 --> 0:50:36.920 hundred feet for the peak he would it could have 0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:38.520 been let's say he was out of fuel and he 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.480 was just gliding. He may have thought I've got this, 0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.520 I've got this, I've got this. Oh crap, I don't 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:48.799 got this. But then again again, why not punch out? 0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:51.279 Why not get out of the airplane at that point? 0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:54.560 So I don't know, it's really strange if he was 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:57.520 if he actually was in clouds and didn't realize he 0:50:57.600 --> 0:51:00.239 was about to fly into a mountain, then boom. That's 0:51:00.239 --> 0:51:02.480 a good point. If he was gliding through cloud coover 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:06.160 thinking he was safe. Yeah, and it could have been 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.319 he needed to be a hundred feet to the right 0:51:08.360 --> 0:51:11.640 and the left or where he where he impacted. Um, yeah, 0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:13.880 I mean that's so that's the end of did he 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:17.919 commit suicide? Was he killed? Was in an accident? Of those? 0:51:18.200 --> 0:51:20.440 I don't either to be gone. I've ping ponged all 0:51:20.480 --> 0:51:24.600 over the place on this. Yeah. Okay, So let's move 0:51:24.640 --> 0:51:27.719 on to mystery number two, which is what happened to 0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:31.880 the Mark eight twos. So the first theory of the 0:51:31.920 --> 0:51:35.239 Mark eight twos is that he did not actually drop them. 0:51:35.400 --> 0:51:38.759 Like I said, the US Air Force they scoured everywhere 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:43.080 and they don't find him. Ground penetrating radar metal detectors. 0:51:43.800 --> 0:51:47.000 They're pretty sure that the weapons aren't armed. The reason 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.439 I say I think that they believed there weren't armed 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:54.200 is that if they had been armed, upon impact, they 0:51:54.200 --> 0:51:57.040 would have gone blue. And those that two thousand pounds 0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:01.280 of munitions would have made a very big impact. Five pounds, 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:06.160 well yeah, five times four exactly. Sorry, I was doing math, 0:52:06.320 --> 0:52:08.239 I'm not. I don't. I'm not known for doing math. 0:52:08.800 --> 0:52:11.279 I'm not, I admit it. But yeah, So it's that 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:13.560 that two thousand pounds of munitions would have made a 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.800 big hole in the ground, and somebody would have reported 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.160 that probably, well they should have seen that would have 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:23.360 blown snow off the ground. I'm guessing, um now, And 0:52:23.480 --> 0:52:26.680 I went to the manufacturer's website because you can find 0:52:26.760 --> 0:52:30.160 this enough on the internet to look up what does 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.040 the A two or they excuse me, the mark eight 0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:37.640 two do and it blows it? Yeah, they they're they're 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:41.719 engineered to blow up. But they make a they make 0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:45.360 a crater that is anywhere from fifteen to thirty feet 0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:48.759 in diameter or five to ten and they make a 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:52.080 crater that is anywhere from three to thirteen feet deep 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:55.359 or one to four meters. So a single one makes 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:58.800 that size hole. All four together should have made a 0:52:59.120 --> 0:53:02.640 really big hole. Um there. And now something I will 0:53:02.719 --> 0:53:05.000 bring up because this is something I thought about initially, 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:09.799 was well, what if the bombs didn't go off initially, 0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:11.719 but then in the crash and the heat of the 0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:15.040 fire they went off. And that is something that can happen. 0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.560 There's a term, it's called uh cooking off, Yeah, cook off, 0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:23.000 and that is when an external heat source or thermal 0:53:23.160 --> 0:53:27.560 source effects ammunition to the point that it sets it off. 0:53:27.640 --> 0:53:30.560 It makes it explode like you know, it falls into 0:53:30.760 --> 0:53:33.360 the burning hull of a ship, and that which happens 0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:37.279 in enaval accidents, and eventually the fire causes those to 0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:40.359 go off, which is then a whole series of problems. Well, 0:53:40.840 --> 0:53:42.920 you would think that except like we talked about, he 0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:46.200 had almost no fuel on left on the plane, so 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.680 there wouldn't have been enough heat to cause cook off 0:53:49.840 --> 0:53:52.760 because these things are rated for two and a half 0:53:52.840 --> 0:53:56.960 minutes of high temperatures. So well. Plus also the bombs 0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:58.839 should have been torn off the wings when he hit 0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.520 right right, and those you know what are you what 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:06.000 are we calling them? The clamps? Clamps? Yeah, the clamps, 0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:13.480 the clamps. Clamps would have obviously been destroyed, should have 0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:16.480 been destroyed. There should have been evidence of the explosives 0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:21.719 in terms of residual chemicals, should have been should have 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:25.040 been obvious when they analyzed the parts. Yep, none of 0:54:25.080 --> 0:54:29.759 that was around. There should have been trapnel mile or 0:54:29.920 --> 0:54:34.759 so away, but closer to Yes, So there's there's all 0:54:34.920 --> 0:54:38.879 these things that should would indicate if they had gone off, 0:54:39.520 --> 0:54:42.080 and none of that indicates that that was the case. 0:54:42.640 --> 0:54:45.160 And or and if they hadn't gone off, they should 0:54:45.200 --> 0:54:49.080 have just been laying in the wreckage. So that means 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:52.360 that they didn't drop them. Theory is kind of on 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:55.960 shake ground. So we're now going to go into he 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:59.239 did drop though. I read a really interesting article which 0:54:59.280 --> 0:55:02.479 pointed out really good thing that I had not thought 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:06.600 of at all, which is the effect of that two 0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:12.680 thousand pounds of munitions on his fuel. Well that's yeah, 0:55:12.719 --> 0:55:15.799 that's it's the drag is going to cause is gonna 0:55:16.080 --> 0:55:19.800 you know, cost him fuel, and he probably could not 0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:23.439 have made it nearly as far as he did had 0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.880 those weapons been on board the whole time. Now, he 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:30.960 only traveled about right you know when I when I 0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:33.200 tracked it, I had it at six hundred fifty, but 0:55:33.239 --> 0:55:35.239 I've seen it called eight hundred miles, so we're just 0:55:35.280 --> 0:55:38.400 gonna stick with eight hundred miles. So, yes, he traveled 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.120 about eight hundred miles total, which is I mean the rain. 0:55:42.239 --> 0:55:43.960 We were looking this up earlier. The range of a 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:48.960 fully fueled board hog is something like twenty five hundred miles, 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:51.640 so he obviously wasn't full of fuel when he went 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:55.800 down or when he started the journey. Yeah. So the 0:55:56.360 --> 0:56:00.320 likely answer here then, based on that fuel consumption issue, 0:56:00.440 --> 0:56:04.160 is that he must have dropped them. And these folks 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:06.520 really point out they make a good argument, which is 0:56:06.560 --> 0:56:09.759 that he probably dropped them right away because he was 0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:14.399 in an area that was known for being a practice range. 0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:18.920 So it's entirely possible that he could have dropped them unarmed. 0:56:18.960 --> 0:56:21.919 Let's say he dropped them unarmed and they fall into 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:25.440 this this firing range. They could have been buried by 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:30.280 subsequent explosions from other bombs that are dropped in practice runs, 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.560 or maybe they were hit a direct hit set them off. 0:56:33.680 --> 0:56:35.960 I know, the chances that are really minute, but it's 0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:38.880 something that could have happened, but you wouldn't and if 0:56:38.920 --> 0:56:43.880 they were live, good luck discovering that crater from the 0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:47.520 eight thousand craters that are next to it. This is 0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:50.560 obviously from Craig Button Light. Yeah. They also the other 0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.840 thing too is you know these things have fans. They're 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:55.239 gonna they're gonna go in kind of like they go 0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:57.759 down and they have a sharpol nose on him. They 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:00.760 could just bury themselves in the ground. They could actually. 0:57:00.840 --> 0:57:03.279 Have you guys seen the did you ever do any 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.920 looking at the fins that are available for these things? 0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:08.160 They what is it the snake guy? Is that the 0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.400 one that they called they have that is it's just weird. 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:14.040 It's his fin that you know, you think of fins 0:57:14.120 --> 0:57:16.600 on a missile and there their upright and it you know, 0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.120 it's kind of guides it. Well, this is actually they're 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:24.040 a parachuting fin and they create drag, they flare out 0:57:24.640 --> 0:57:27.280 and wind pushes them. It slows the bomb down. Yeah, 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.360 it's not exactly a parachute, but yet and there's this 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:32.560 four of them and they're just you know the same 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:35.480 place that the fins would be. They slow it down. Yeah, 0:57:35.640 --> 0:57:37.680 and so it was really interesting. But that that is 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.520 one thing. If if it was if the Mark eight 0:57:41.640 --> 0:57:45.000 twos were equipped with something like that, I wouldn't be 0:57:45.440 --> 0:57:49.360 as willing to say maybe they nosed it and buried themselves, 0:57:49.440 --> 0:57:52.360 because those fins are meant to slow them down. I 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.360 didn't see any mention that they had that special kind 0:57:54.400 --> 0:57:57.800 of They didn't mention anything in the reporting of what 0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:01.040 these things were equippedment there than they were the basic 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:03.640 market E two. Yeah, well, I mean it seems like 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:05.440 that's what you would train with, right, you train with 0:58:05.520 --> 0:58:08.360 the cheapest Oh yeah, you don't pet the fancy things 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:10.440 on there. We're gonna give you the fully decked out 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:13.360 rig the first time. Good luck. Well there, yeah, the 0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:16.840 whole the snake as if I can't remember, pretty sure 0:58:16.880 --> 0:58:21.240 that's what it was. But yeah, the fins really really 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:24.280 low altitude. They are in slow and slow movements because 0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:26.920 the idea for everybody that's listening the idea here is 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.640 that if this finn is not there, the bomb will 0:58:29.720 --> 0:58:33.800 drop and strike the target fast enough that it will 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:38.080 throw shrapnel back up into the plane that actually dropped it. 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:40.320 So that's why they're slowing it down to give the 0:58:40.440 --> 0:58:45.480 plane time to get away exactly. And it's low air speed. Yeah. 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.920 So he was only into his training course for what 0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.080 two months? Two months, so he's probably was, and this 0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:55.479 was his first live AMMO run. He wasn't running though level, 0:58:56.120 --> 0:58:58.160 so which means that they should have had enough speed. Yeah. 0:58:58.200 --> 0:59:02.640 Possibly in a very till old up gunnery range, the 0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.840 things could have very easily buried themselves. But that doesn't 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:09.840 explain why then they would say that it didn't look 0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:14.480 like the racks had been disengaged. So I don't know. 0:59:14.760 --> 0:59:16.600 The more credible sources I've seen and say that their 0:59:16.640 --> 0:59:19.520 acts looks like the bombs have been dropped, and I 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:24.840 would believe that, But the racks not being disengaged idea 0:59:25.920 --> 0:59:29.720 leads us into our last sub theory of what happened 0:59:29.760 --> 0:59:33.320 to the market E two's, and that is the he 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:37.400 sold them or gave him away theory. And you will 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:40.600 see this out there occasionally, and this is one of 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:44.800 those theories that gets bandied about, and when it comes up, 0:59:44.840 --> 0:59:47.920 it's usually followed by that person the name of that 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:53.680 person's favorite terrorist organization, and the theory basically goes Craig Button, 0:59:54.000 --> 0:59:58.000 he flies somewhere, he lands, they unload the bombs, and 0:59:58.160 --> 1:00:01.840 then he takes off. Okay, why he then takes off 1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:05.640 and flies into a mountain. Well, maybe he wasn't actually 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:09.320 on the plane. Maybe he did actually punch out and 1:00:09.560 --> 1:00:12.400 he had a dead body in the cockpit, or maybe 1:00:12.480 --> 1:00:14.400 he you know, it was a pig or a decoy 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.560 or something like that. You know, so he got away 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:20.840 all a dB Cooper. But you know, you would think, well, 1:00:21.120 --> 1:00:24.400 the US Air Force should know that, a the freaking 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:27.919 the the ejection seat is gone and this is a pig. 1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:31.600 But then again, hell, if we're gonna keep going this way, 1:00:31.880 --> 1:00:34.960 maybe they're in on it. And so they're covering the 1:00:35.040 --> 1:00:38.720 whole thing up, which adds even more layers of absurd 1:00:38.880 --> 1:00:42.760 complexity to this whole story. Well, you know, the cockpits 1:00:42.760 --> 1:00:46.600 and these things are not exactly really exactly, and and 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.480 also smuggling and corpse across the airfield climbing into the 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:51.680 plane with it. You know, what nobody knows in it. 1:00:52.520 --> 1:00:54.560 What I was getting at is that if he when 1:00:54.600 --> 1:01:00.120 he stopped at his clandestined, that's when they loaded the 1:01:00.240 --> 1:01:03.960 extra corps. And well, you know, maybe he did some 1:01:04.280 --> 1:01:08.640 fancy mcgiver wizzywig stuff with a computer and we took 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:11.280 off on autopilot by itself. And then the pig woke up, 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:13.280 and the pig was steering in the plane and That's 1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:19.560 why it went back and forth, because Cuber Wilber Wilbur 1:01:19.640 --> 1:01:23.640 realized that there was a problem. Yeah, I guess that 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:25.440 was kind of the reason I was asking, like, was 1:01:25.600 --> 1:01:29.000 he an exceptionally talented pilot? It was it possible that 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:32.000 the air Force was looking to do something kind of 1:01:32.080 --> 1:01:35.480 clandestine and they didn't They were looking for somebody to 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:38.240 and he was tapped for that, and he's tapped for that, 1:01:38.440 --> 1:01:40.040 and they said, we're gonna pay a bunch of money, 1:01:40.720 --> 1:01:43.040 just get out of here. I don't think it's likely, 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:45.240 but you know, that was I guess why I was 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:49.640 kind of asking the bombed like a cannabis farmer or 1:01:49.720 --> 1:01:54.000 something like well, or just you know, they were or 1:01:54.080 --> 1:01:57.880 they were trying to sell these munitions or whatever, that 1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.840 he flew some black black opposite of Black Book operation 1:02:01.960 --> 1:02:06.120 of some kind. Yeah, it seems really unlikely, but literally 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:10.080 everything in this entire story seems super unlikely. So I 1:02:10.200 --> 1:02:13.000 guess I'm willing just as willing to say. You know, 1:02:13.080 --> 1:02:15.840 my my UFO theory is that he was abducted by 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:20.439 aliens and they stole communitions because they wanted to investigate 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:24.520 what humans were capable of, and then they dropped him 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:26.760 back into airspace, and suddenly he was like, I don't 1:02:26.800 --> 1:02:28.360 know where I am. I don't know what's going on. 1:02:28.560 --> 1:02:31.320 I just got abducted by aliens into the side of 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:33.400 the mountain. Well, if if we're gonna go with that, 1:02:33.480 --> 1:02:35.440 then he should also be shutting. Why is this big 1:02:35.520 --> 1:02:39.600 chicken punching me? Because that's just as likely. Well, they're all, yeah, 1:02:39.840 --> 1:02:44.040 I really, well, actually there's another possibility. Okay, you know, 1:02:44.200 --> 1:02:47.600 I mean maybe he maybe he took something like you know, 1:02:48.440 --> 1:02:51.080 I don't want to don't laugh. There's always ergo er good, 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:54.360 of course, but also it was also you could have 1:02:54.440 --> 1:02:56.680 eaten some mushrooms not realizing that there was that there 1:02:56.720 --> 1:02:59.280 were the special kind, you know, or something like that, 1:02:59.480 --> 1:03:03.760 or somebody's loiked them some LSD. It's always kinds of weird. 1:03:03.840 --> 1:03:06.000 I mean, there's right that could cause using that is 1:03:06.120 --> 1:03:10.400 that is not outside the realm of possibility evidence, of course, 1:03:10.640 --> 1:03:13.320 And of course they didn't find anything those blood streams, 1:03:13.400 --> 1:03:16.120 so that's the hard part. In fairness, though it doesn't 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:18.720 always take drugs to have a psychotic break. He could 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:21.160 have had a psychotic break. It's true. He could have 1:03:21.200 --> 1:03:22.760 thought that he was being chased. That's why could have 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.360 been hallucinating in some way, shape or form doing these 1:03:25.760 --> 1:03:28.640 evasive maneuvers and through the clouds and stuff like that. 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:31.160 But it doesn't explain where the bombs went or anything. 1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:33.840 So yeah, maybe the bombs will turn up. I mean 1:03:33.880 --> 1:03:36.040 they scoured those lakes, every lake around there. For example, 1:03:36.040 --> 1:03:37.520 that would have been a logical place for him to 1:03:37.600 --> 1:03:41.120 drop the bombs lake It totally would have the most 1:03:41.280 --> 1:03:44.640 most lakes and places like that. Couldn't have very salty bottoms. 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:46.800 They could, they could vary. It took him a long 1:03:46.840 --> 1:03:49.000 time to get around the searching those things. But they were, 1:03:49.280 --> 1:03:51.440 it wasn't I mean they were. They had divers, they 1:03:51.480 --> 1:03:54.400 were using equipment, you know, metal detectors and stuff like that. 1:03:55.120 --> 1:03:57.880 You think that they would have found them, and I 1:03:58.000 --> 1:04:01.880 know detectors, they metal detector I know that they were 1:04:02.040 --> 1:04:06.280 using metal detectors. And I remember seeing images of guys 1:04:06.440 --> 1:04:11.040 walking through water and they had these weird handle contraptions, 1:04:11.200 --> 1:04:13.480 part of which we're in the water because they were 1:04:13.520 --> 1:04:17.280 doing the searching, which I believe was some sort of 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:22.000 radar or metal detecting device. I don't remember now that 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:24.360 you asked me. If you hadn't asked me, I probably 1:04:24.400 --> 1:04:26.680 wouldn't be able to do it imprompted, but that's the 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.800 way it always works. 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