1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 2: Hi. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 3: My name is Jennifer Menez and I am an actress, supermodel, 4 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 3: TV personality, addiction specialist, writer, and many other things. I 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 3: was born in California. My family's from Buenostartis, Argentina. My 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: parents decided to come to America have an American child 7 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 3: named me one of the most common names, Jennifer, and 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,279 Speaker 3: raised me back in Argentina. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 4: When Jennifer Hejimenez stepped into Paul Fisher's office on Hollywood Boulevard, 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 4: she was so young, and as you can tell from 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 4: her list of accomplishments, she's had a lot of hard 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 4: won success since that day. She's had a career at 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 4: the top of the modeling industry and the kind of 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 4: life story that qualifies you to be an addiction specialist. 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 4: She's also been very famous on the cover of countless magazines. 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 4: She's been in movies with Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 4: like blow, oh No, don't make it, Don't make you. 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 2: So, Jennifer's got. 19 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 4: Quite a resume, and it all started very young. 20 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 3: I grew up in you know, in the late eighties nineties, 21 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 3: like what little girl didn't want to be Miss ye say, 22 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: miss you know missie for a model, an actress to 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: something you know, And I was a lot. I was 24 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 3: a lot taller than the average kid in my age. 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 4: Jennifer began modeling in the early nineties. 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: I always say I just got the cabbage doll ripped 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 3: out of my arms, you know, a year prior to that. 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 4: Within a short time, she's living in a moment that 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 4: feels like pure fantasy. She's getting mobbed by adoring classmates 30 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 4: on the playground because she's on the cover of L magazine. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: I come back to sign up to school, to register 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 3: to start school, and at a public high school, my 33 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 3: public high school where. 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: I went, and everyone came running with a magazine and 35 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: I had no idea I was coming out that. 36 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: Day, and it was just like a surreal moment, like wait, 37 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,440 Speaker 3: what what. 38 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 4: At that moment, Jennifer feels like she's made it. 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 2: Now. 40 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 4: All she has to do is stand magazine covers, make 41 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 4: sure to keep looking skinny once her body decides to 42 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: grow boobs, keep the modeling checks coming, support her family, 43 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 4: learn how to walk in high heels, maybe talk to 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: a cute boy in school, someone enough confidence to get 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 4: photographers and their assistants to stop groping her during shoots, 46 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 4: decide whether to keep Paula's an agent, hide her drug habit, 47 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 4: score more drugs, and deal with the trauma of sexual assaults. 48 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 4: But she'll have plenty of time for that. She's only 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: a teenager after all. From iHeart Podcasts and Campsite Media, 50 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: I'm Vanessa Grigoriantas and this is Model Wars Episode six. 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 4: So in this episode we're going to flip the tables 52 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 4: a bit. We've been talking so much about men and 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,679 Speaker 4: their control of the industry, but now we're going to 54 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 4: give Jennifer the mic so that she can tell her story. 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 4: And it's a story of what success in the modeling 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: industry really means. And as I said last time, it 57 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 4: is a bit darker than most of these kinds of stories, 58 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 4: but at the same time, it's worth you hearing, and 59 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 4: it may make you a little sick about the entire 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 4: idea of this industry. But maybe then you can root 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: for Paul to get to that point too, because after Jennifer, 62 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 4: he'll be well on his way to that point of 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 4: view as well. So here's Jennifer's story, beginning with her 64 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 4: childhood in Argentina. 65 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: In Argentina, while the neighbors come over. You call everyone 66 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: aunt's uncles, even if they're not, you know, and you 67 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: always have late night dinners. And I remember in the 68 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 3: backyard in my grandparents' house they have till this day, 69 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 3: they have this long table backyard, and I remember the 70 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: table being filled with food and there was. 71 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: So much food on the plate. The visual I. 72 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: Remember seeing till this day is my parents and everyone grabbing. 73 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: Drinks and the Morley poured the morally drank that more. 74 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: They had fun. I remember people having a great time. 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 2: My family was filled with lots of love, lots of parties. 76 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: I remember seeing people dancing with each other. 77 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: I remember just feeling the feeling of joy seeing my 78 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: mom and dad dancing with each other, smiling at each other. 79 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: Even saying I love you to each other. 80 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: And I'm so glad I have that memory because in 81 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: the end, that was not their story, but that was 82 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: my story to share it, you know, and it's my 83 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: memory to keep. 84 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: Jennifer says that even as a little kid, she knew 85 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 4: she wanted to be a model, but in the United States, 86 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 4: she just felt like she didn't fit in. 87 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 3: My parents realized when I was around six and a 88 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: half years old, I'd have more opportunities in America than 89 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 3: in Argentina. So my parents sacrificed everything in their friends 90 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 3: family's careers and we moved back to California. And growing 91 00:04:57,480 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 3: up in La, I do not look like it's a 92 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 3: La girl at all. And I didn't know English. I 93 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: had to learn English in school, and as children are 94 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 3: very absorbent and very observed, we observe a lot. And 95 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: I remember seeing a lot of cliques in school and 96 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: like there was no clique I could fit into to 97 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: save my life. And I remember this one day, in 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: my broken, thick accent, I turned to like the two 99 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: coolest girls in school and I wanted to be like that, 100 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 3: I'm so bad, you know. And we were in line, 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: and I remember I looked over and I just turned 102 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: to their direction, and I remember, in my broke, thick accent, 103 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: broken English, I said to them that I had the 104 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: secret that I wanted to tell them. It was really 105 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 3: important for me to tell them. They looked at me 106 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 3: so annoyed, like what I mean, please, Like what do 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 3: you want to tell us? 108 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: Like? And I was like it' said I have a 109 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: twin sister. 110 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 3: In my thick, broken accent, you know, and I was like, 111 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: she has blonde hair, blue eyes. 112 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: Her name's Natalie. 113 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 3: She lives in England because she's studying abroad. And they 114 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: were like, oh my god, why didn't you tell us 115 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: about that. 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 2: They're like, come on, hang out, come hang out with us. 117 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: We want to be with you at a I don't 118 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: have a twin sister, b I lied my way through childhood. 119 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 3: And see, I got accepted into a group of cool people. 120 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: You know, I did anything to fit in. 121 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: This girl who has to con her way into fitting 122 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 4: in starts growing up and people start telling her parents 123 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 4: that she should be a model, and soon she and 124 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 4: her mom start interviewing agents. One of them, of course, 125 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: is Paul. 126 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: I was introduced to go see Paul Fisher at East 127 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: West and I wore this bright ass like as bright 128 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: as my scarf, blue like mc hammer pants and like 129 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 3: just as baggy top. It was awful and I matched 130 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 3: my eyelash, my eyeshadow with the thing. And now I'm thirteen, 131 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: So I'm thirteen putting blue on. Imagine the blue is 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 3: like everywhere and I walk in and I had high heels. 133 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: On, like I comparently fuck, you know, like folding onto 134 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 2: the walls. 135 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 3: And I'm coming in trying to look super hot, like 136 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 3: I don't even know what hot is at thirteen, but 137 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: I'm trying to act like I do. 138 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: And he walked I walked in, and. 139 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 3: I swear I thought I saw you work, Like I remember, 140 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: he looked like mad you work back in. 141 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: The day, you know, And he. 142 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: Was like so cool, so swab like so mysterious looking. 143 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: I mean again, I'm thirteen. He had this it factor 144 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 3: at that time. I didn't know, but it was like 145 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 3: this coolness, you know. And he looks at me and 146 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: he's like, I go, Hi, I'm Jennifer Medics and he goes, Hi, 147 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 3: go take off your eyeshadow, go get rid of all 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: your makeup and then come back in here. 149 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 2: And I was like what. So he made me take 150 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: up all my makeup to come back and see him, 151 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: and I went through the room. I took all Megavov 152 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: and he's like, now I see you. 153 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: And our relationship started like that. It was instant and like, 154 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: I don't know, we just connected. 155 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: Right after Jennifer met Paul, things were moving quickly. She 156 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 4: booked her first gig with a major fashion photographer. 157 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: Bruce webber Is, who I dedicate my I think for 158 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: changing my life. It happened to have been my brother's 159 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 3: birthday that day, and my mom was very hesitant, but 160 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: she had heard for so long you should get your 161 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 3: daughter into model, and you should get your daughter into modeling. 162 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: And you know, I come Vinceo my mom that night 163 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: to let me show up. 164 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: The next day. 165 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 3: And when I met him, he was like, he reminded me 166 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: a Papa Smurf because he wears a scarf, and he 167 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 3: was just a giant teddy bear to me. 168 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: And he was so sweet and. 169 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 3: So endearing, and I felt such a great connection with him. 170 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: And I remember when it was tied for me to 171 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 3: stand and look front of the camera, it was like, 172 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 3: for the first time in my life, I felt like 173 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: I belonged. 174 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: You know, all those years of my life, I didn't 175 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 2: believe like I ever fit in anywhere. 176 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: And there I am in front of the lens and 177 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,839 Speaker 3: I was home, you know, I was home. It was 178 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 3: It was a pretty like beautiful moment for me, you know. 179 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: And I remember Bruce was like, oh my god, I'm 180 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: in love. 181 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 3: I need to have her. I need to have her. 182 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: She's staying with me or keeping her. And everything changed 183 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: in that instant moment, you know, my life completely changed. 184 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 4: So Jennifer's been shot by the big photographer, Bruce Weber, 185 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: and now she's getting lots of interest from magazines and 186 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 4: Paul is managing her career. 187 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: Paul's tactic as an agent, he was very straightforward. He 188 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 3: did not sugarcoat anything, like when he was like, high, 189 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 3: nice to meet you, go take your makeup off, like 190 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 3: I mean, like you just can't. 191 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: Get as more matter of fact as that. 192 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: And he was just not filled with bullshit, excuse my language. 193 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 2: And you know, my mom and I we didn't know 194 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 2: any better. 195 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 3: Again, like when we were first we met with all 196 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: these agencies, and then like when we were going to 197 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 3: go to Paris, all these agencies from Paris flew out 198 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: to meet me and my mom and they'd drive out 199 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 3: to West Covina and Sangerfali in La and come pick 200 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: me up and my mom and then we go to 201 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: La and have dinner. 202 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: And the Drava was back down and it was just 203 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: a little like so real. 204 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: But because I had met so many people, they were 205 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 3: just so extra sweet and extra promising and extra shore 206 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 3: that they can guarantee. 207 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 2: All these things, and it kind of got. 208 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 3: Us extra scary, you know, like it just got scared 209 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: because we weren't hearing that from Pom. I just felt 210 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 3: really safe for them. It wasn't an over cell or 211 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 3: an overkill, you know. 212 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 4: So young Jennifer felt that Paul was her protector, and 213 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: she went on to find other people in the industry 214 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 4: to also fill that role. 215 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 3: And I was able to relate with people, and there 216 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 3: was there was somebody I remember when I first started 217 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 3: mudeling in Naomi Campbell. 218 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 2: I mean Naomi and I. 219 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 3: Became really good friends, and like she really kind of helped. 220 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: She helped me. 221 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: Immensely, like understand like the teenage years, like no one 222 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 3: was really teaching me. 223 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 2: Now I'm working. 224 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: Against like models that are in their twenties, like you 225 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: know that are like renowned, huge, iconic supermodels, and you 226 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 3: know I'm there, so I'm a threat to take their 227 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 3: jobs away. 228 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 2: So they're going to treat me crappy and so like 229 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 2: I was, you know, instead of. 230 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 3: Learning, I had to learn to fight for myself. Like 231 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 3: I had to learn to fight. And I don't mean 232 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 3: like fistfight, I mean like I had to learn to 233 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 3: stand my ground because girls can beat you down, and 234 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 3: especially when you're in that like realm of like you know, 235 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: the top of the top girls. And again I was 236 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 3: just kind of like some of them, some of them 237 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: models really shocked me. The ones that like are the 238 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: biggest iconic ones, You're like, you're not cool? 239 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: What that so sucks? 240 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 3: You know? But then you have other ones that were 241 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 3: like incredible and like, I'm so eternally grateful, like Elle 242 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,119 Speaker 3: mc spheerson, Naomi Linda Christy Turlington. 243 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: So many girls taught. 244 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 3: Me how to walk on in high heels, like on 245 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: the runway, because I walked my first runway at as 246 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 3: a Jane Alaiah. 247 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: When I did it and they were like, do you 248 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: know how to walk in heels? 249 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: I was like, I stand in the heels for the 250 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: photos and they're like, do you know how to walk 251 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 3: in them? 252 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 2: Like not really. I go on to walls because I. 253 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 3: Tell her about like seatball pulling on the walls, and 254 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 3: all these girls taught me how to walk on the 255 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: runway and so I come. 256 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: Out and I'm lazing at Paul my mom, and I'm like, 257 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 2: I know, I'm. 258 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 3: Like as an Eliah like the sexiest of all sex 259 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,359 Speaker 3: like designers. You know, everyone aspires to be like Asdina 260 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: Liyah was back in the day, and I'm like totally 261 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 3: turning into like a team, like hi, guys, like I'm 262 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: on American pants and look at me kind of thing, 263 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: and you know, they took it, and they were so 264 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 3: the audience and the press were really kind with me. 265 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 3: You know, They're like, this innocent girl that you know, 266 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: got it kind of brings a delight to him. 267 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 4: Jennifer was the face of innocence in a way, as 268 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 4: most thirteen year old models would be, but she was 269 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 4: growing up very quickly. Jennifer followed Paul when he was 270 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 4: fired by East West and started his own agency it 271 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 4: but then after a couple of years with Paul, Jennifer 272 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: and her mother made the decision to leave Paul for Elite, 273 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 4: the agency that was founded by John Casablancis. 274 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: I knew John well and he was charming. 275 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 3: He was nice, he was magical, but he liked to 276 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: hang out with a lot of little girls. 277 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 4: I think we mentioned earlier that John Pasablanciz had a 278 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 4: relationship with Stephanie Seymour when she was sixteen, and she 279 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 4: wasn't the only young woman he was with. But thankfully, 280 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 4: Jennifer was not one of those underaged girls. Still a 281 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 4: couple of years into modeling, her childhood felt like it 282 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 4: was officially over. 283 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: The abnormal became the new normal for me, you know, 284 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: and I was being looked at from the moment I 285 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 3: started as an object. 286 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 4: Even in school, she felt like she stuck out. 287 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 3: Well, once I started realizing that some of it, it 288 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 3: wasn't fun all the time, and like getting bashed when 289 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 3: you're a teenager, it's not the funnest feeling, you know, 290 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: like you're already getting bashed at school anyways. 291 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: Everyone is right, like we all get like made fun 292 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 2: of somewhere. 293 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm already the tall girl in school now, in the 294 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 3: model in school, now in the model. It's on you know, 295 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 3: in magazines and TV shows and like on TV or 296 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 3: commercials or music videos, and you know, I'm already I'm 297 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: ready dealing with that end. And then I have trauma 298 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: growing up, you know, from my childhood, traumas with my 299 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 3: family that I'm having to deal with because I have 300 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 3: mental health in my family. I had an addiction in my family, 301 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 3: people suffering, and you know, I uh, it was you know, 302 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: it was a lot. And then I'm being bashed for modeling. 303 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 3: I mean, now I'm the provider of my family, and 304 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: I'm taking care of my mom, and I'm clothing and 305 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: feeding and taking care of my brother. 306 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: There's a lot of responsibilities that are coming to me. 307 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 3: And I was too afraid that when the dark things 308 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: were happened to me, when my mom wouldn't be able 309 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 3: to go with me, I was too afraid to come 310 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: home and tell them what was going on because I 311 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 3: knew that if they found out, they'd immediately remove. 312 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 2: Me from what was happening. 313 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: And then I felt very responsible because I would think 314 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 3: who would take care of us? Then, you know, again, 315 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: I felt very responsible as a child at a. 316 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Very young age. 317 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 3: And it wasn't that they made me feel responsible, was 318 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: that I took that role on, you know, And that 319 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 3: was just the way life happened. And all of a sudden, 320 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 3: I'm trying to run the show in my house and 321 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: like I'm trying, you know, and it's like I'm a kid, 322 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: you know, and I'm like trying, and then there's this 323 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 3: chaos happening there, and then the chaos in the modeling world. 324 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: I mean, my head was tripping, you know, Like who 325 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 2: am I like? 326 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 3: And they told me it was only as good as 327 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 3: my next job cover campaign. 328 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 2: So I'm like, am I worth anything? You know, Like 329 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: it's all this stuff, but. 330 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 3: Yet I'm at the top of my game and I'm 331 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: talking like there is a point where it's like Victoria's 332 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: Secrets catalogs. I'm working at Vogue at this and my 333 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: voice still didn't matter, and you would have. 334 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: Thought that it would. 335 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 4: And with all these pressures, it became very hard for 336 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 4: Jennifer to say no to anything. I'm just going to 337 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 4: let her talk about it for a little while. 338 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 3: That was like the sad part of it all, you know, 339 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: because we're working with the best of the best. You know, 340 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 3: There's been so many times I've been promised, for. 341 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: Example, that like I shot news right, like it's an 342 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: art for me. 343 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: It's not like I wasn't shooting it for play, but 344 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't shooting it for Panheals. But I remember, 345 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 3: you know, being told i'd have like i'd be safe, 346 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: I'd have females on set that I would have, you know, 347 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 3: there wouldn't be any weird things going on or anything. 348 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: It was I show up and they'd be all males. 349 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: You know me, what am I going to tell them? 350 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 3: Like I don't want to do this, that I'd get fired, 351 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: you know, that I'd get canned from my agency. 352 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 2: I mean, like they can you know. That's the thing 353 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: with modeling is that you are so afraid that you're. 354 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: Either going to be dropped or that like you know, 355 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 3: weren't doing enough that you can't like you're not good enough, 356 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 3: And every single moment and every casting you're being rejected. 357 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,119 Speaker 3: It's the most rejected you know, industry possible that in Hollywood, 358 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 3: you know, acting like every day it could be the 359 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 3: best actor of the best model, but like if you're 360 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: not what they're looking for, it's like, you know, that's 361 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 3: not your fault, but you get you feel like it's 362 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: your fault. Right, So you know, you're like constantly trying 363 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: to compare it to yourself, to outside things that you 364 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: can never compare yourself to. So it becomes a little 365 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: very it becomes confusing, to. 366 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: Say the least. 367 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 3: But there is a lot of bad encounters with photographers. 368 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 3: You know, there was a lot of bad encounters. I remember, 369 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: you know, they promised me what I made equivalent to 370 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: what would be a million dollars today. 371 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: In Tokyo. I went on a huge. 372 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Contract for a month and a half, and I was 373 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: supposed to live with the agents, and I was supposed 374 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: to have a chauffeur and the whole thing. And I 375 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: get there and there's no agent i'm living with. I'm 376 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,199 Speaker 3: actually living in a male model's apartment building. I turned 377 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: my sweet sixteen there. 378 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 2: They throw me a big party. 379 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: And when I go to my birthday party for my 380 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 3: sweet sixteen, I'm at some Japanese billionaire playboy's house. 381 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: There's all these beautiful artworks and all these old. 382 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,680 Speaker 3: Men and they're all Japanese, and there's all these models 383 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 3: and all the agents, and all the models said I 384 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: was their best friend. And I can't remember one of 385 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 3: their names. The agent said I was their favorite. 386 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: I wasn't. 387 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: I just there was their favorite because I made the 388 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 3: money at that moment, that's all. And I remember asking, like, 389 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: what's this painting? And they're like Picasso, and I'm like, 390 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 3: what's Picasso? 391 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: Like I don't know anything. I'm a kid again. 392 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 3: And these pictures of I have, I'm smiling and I'm 393 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 3: blowing out my candle and I look. 394 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 2: So happy, and I'm so lonely. 395 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 3: All I was doing was calling my mom and my 396 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 3: friends up and saying like there was like towards prom, 397 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 3: some spring formal or something, and I remember going like, 398 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: what do you guys wearing, like, Oh, I wish I 399 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: was there, Like I wish I was at my school 400 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: dance instead of being worked twenty two hours a day 401 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 3: because I had a contract to fill. So it was like, 402 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 3: you know, gets your job done. And it was just 403 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 3: so surreal. I mean, those are like the kind of moments. 404 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: That I had. And you know there was other times. 405 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 3: My mom you know, I wouldn't go with me and I. 406 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: Was sexually assaulted. 407 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: You know, on sets I was sexually assaulted in different countries. 408 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 2: That it started, you know with the. 409 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 3: Little girl being this and that and like the oohing 410 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: and the ayeing at a. 411 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: Really young age is a weird thing. 412 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 3: The you know, they come by you and they kind 413 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:55,439 Speaker 3: of just touch you and like it's a little like, oh, 414 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 3: let's fix this bit. You know, your boobs are being 415 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 3: touched or your butt's being touched, and. 416 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 2: It kind of starts out like. 417 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: That, I mean in the midst of me being happy 418 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: and go lucky, and it's like so innocent, like you know, 419 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 3: in my eyes, I think it's all innocent. 420 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 2: I remember I was shooting with Jelle. 421 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 3: Bensimon and I was doing L another L I don't 422 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 3: remember which one it was, and I was in this 423 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: really beautiful dress and. 424 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 2: I was on my hands and knees. 425 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 3: They were doing a cover test and he was from 426 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 3: like way in front of me, like like ten feet 427 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 3: in front of me, and he's shooting from down up 428 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: and we did some cover tests and we did that photograph. Well, 429 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 3: when the magazine came out, it's me and on all fours. 430 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 2: And I looked like, come fuck me. I'm like at fourteen, 431 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 2: you know, Like but that's it. 432 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: Was so innocent when we were on set, like there 433 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 3: was do you know what I mean. We were having 434 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: these innocent moments, but it didn't look like that on paper, 435 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 3: you know, when the photographs came out, and then, you. 436 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: Know, my mom at times couldn't come. 437 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: So I started experiencing a lot of bad things and 438 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: dark things, and a lot of sexual assault, you know, 439 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 3: and a lot of men thinking that it's okay, just 440 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: go ahead, like touch the model. 441 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: You know. I remember the agencies, not again. 442 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: Paul, but I remember my other agencies would say we 443 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: have a model dinner, and especially when you're out of country, 444 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 3: like you go and you go to the model dinner, 445 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 3: so you feel like you're going to be safe and 446 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: they're going to feed you, and you're excited about eating ooh. 447 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 2: Which is like a no go in modeling. 448 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 3: And I remember I would go to these things and 449 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 3: it was like you had to wear the smallest, tightest 450 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 3: little dress, your little black dress, and you know, show 451 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 3: your boobs, and you know, always show your legs, and 452 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,920 Speaker 3: that's just how you were, you know, but that's not. 453 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 2: Who you are. 454 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 4: So there's a moment that sticks out to Jennifer from 455 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 4: this period of her life. She'd just gotten back from 456 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: having her sixteenth birthday at a fancy mansion in Japan. 457 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: So I'm dealing with chaos at home. 458 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 3: I'm dealing with crazy agencies and modeling and traveling all 459 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: over the. 460 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: World, and between trying to be a kid. 461 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 3: I like that boy at school, and I can't like 462 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,679 Speaker 3: them because I have to go away for a month 463 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 3: and I want to go and stay the night at 464 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: my girlfriend's house. Or I would love to go to 465 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: a football game, and I can't go to normal football 466 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 3: games because that there's no normalcy for me anymore. I 467 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: remember the teachers were really hard on me in school. 468 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 3: I remember this one teacher, drama teacher of all teachers, 469 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 3: and she was like, Oh, you think you're going to 470 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: get away with everything because you have a pretty face. 471 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 3: And I just looked at her like she has no idea. 472 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: I just came back from Tokyo. I've been sexually assaulted. 473 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 3: I'm paying for my family, like for us to survive. 474 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 3: And she's making fun of like me being pretty or 475 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 3: ugly or something like go fuck yourself, lady. 476 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 4: So Jennifer is increasingly stressed, isolated, and abused, and she's 477 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 4: learning to take comfort anywhere she can find. When Jennifer 478 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: talks about addiction, you can tell she spent a lot 479 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 4: of years telling her story and recovery meetings, and a 480 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 4: lot of it began for her early, especially the drinking, 481 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 4: which she tied to her good childhood memories. In that 482 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 4: backyard in Argentina. 483 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: I took my first drink at twelve years old. I 484 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 3: wasn't modeling. I took my first drink. I was taking 485 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 3: care of my little brother. I looked over into my parents' 486 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: dining room and they had a liquor cabinet. I just 487 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 3: wanted to feel like they did in Argentina, because I 488 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: equate drinking the happy and it was warm and fuzzy, 489 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 3: and it kind of imploded in my stomach and all 490 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: of a sudden I felt like across of the jolly, green, 491 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 3: giant wonder woman. 492 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 4: And she wrote drinking also helped her cope with professional pressures. 493 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 3: So I was five six when I got discovered modeling, 494 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 3: and I'm five ten today. So my body I was 495 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: straight right, like straight leg I hadn't hit puberty, and 496 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 3: puberty kicked in high gear. And the curvier I got, 497 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: the taller I got, the more people were like, oh, 498 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 3: you can't be curvy, like you got to be skinnier, 499 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 3: and like to this day, honestly, if I see a 500 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 3: measuring tape, I fucking freak out. 501 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 2: I cringed, like I. 502 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: Can't take it because it just brought me so much 503 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: stress and it created such a wirdworld of madness in 504 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 3: my head throughout the years of modeling. 505 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: Every day, at. 506 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: The top of my game, your hair is either too 507 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: short to blonde, too rent to brown, too too long 508 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 3: to this, your eyebrows are this far apart. I knew 509 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 3: every imperfection, even like getting the jobs like she's great, 510 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: can you lose like three more pounds. 511 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: So like someone's always like kind of beating. 512 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 3: Me down with words. I can't change how I look. 513 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 3: I'm Latin, like I gap curves. I'm a curvey girl, 514 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 3: like you know, Boobs was like, don't even like you know, 515 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 3: let's don't grow please don't grow Around close to eighteen 516 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: years old, I tried cocaine for the first time, and 517 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 3: I got to tell you, cocaine gave me a heartbeat 518 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 3: like nothing else ever has. 519 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 2: But it brought me to my knees in the end. 520 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 3: But what alcohol and drugs were doing to me, it 521 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: was telling me and making me believe that that was beautiful. 522 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: Told me that I was invincible, would never leave me. 523 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 3: It told me it was me, It's my best friend. 524 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: It told me, you know, I'd never be abandoned. I 525 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 3: told me I was smart. It told me I was talented. 526 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 3: It told me I was you know, I was witty. 527 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: It told me all these things until it stopped telling me. 528 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 2: Then I was in quest for more. The day that 529 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 2: I did my first line, I was hooked. 530 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 3: And it also came in very very very handy because 531 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 3: the waiftbook came in and. 532 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 2: The Cape Mosses of the world and all that. And 533 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 2: I was curvy, and I you know, I. 534 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: Had to be as skinny as possible. 535 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 2: I remember one day I was shooting. I think it 536 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 2: was a cattle. 537 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: I was shooting for Victoria Seekers. I remember looking at 538 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 3: the mirror in my fitting and I hadn't eaten five 539 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: days like and by this point, I haven't slept in 540 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 3: five days, like, I barely drink anything. And I looked 541 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 3: at the mirror and I saw this elephant man looking 542 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 3: back at me. It wasn't even me. It was like 543 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 3: this deformed shape thing looking at me. And I was 544 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 3: ANAREK six, skinny like two the nines cut. 545 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: Off like gorgeous, top of my game. 546 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 3: But I saw this monster, this big monster, you know, 547 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 3: of my perception. 548 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 4: Despite all the drugs, Jennifer was able to keep her 549 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 4: career going, and she even broke into Hollywood. 550 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 2: I wanted to get into acting. 551 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 3: I started studying, and I get my first movie role, 552 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: and it's a movie called Blow with Johnny Depp. And 553 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: then I get Vanilla Skuy with Tom Cruise. 554 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: And then I get Charlie's Angels with Cameron Diaz, Threw Bary. 555 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 3: More, Lucy Lou, I get Sweetest thing with Karen Diaz, 556 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 3: Jason Bateman, Selma. 557 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 2: Blair, Christina Apple Gay. 558 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: I'm doing all these things all of a sudden, I'm 559 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 3: the new it girl in Hollywood on the cover of 560 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 3: Latina back in Vogue, details like the it girl, like 561 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 3: all this stuff, and I can't stay sober. 562 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 2: To save my life. I was sober in the beginning 563 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 2: to blow, not in the end. 564 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: And I'm trying to play it off like I'm hanging on. 565 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: You know, I've lost a lot of huge roles, a 566 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 3: model of acting roles because I was high and I 567 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: couldn't show up. And I'm still the it girl, like 568 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: I said, And my mom and my best friend come 569 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: to me, and they say that I need to go 570 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 3: get some help and I need to go to treatment. 571 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 3: And at this point I disconnected my jaw and a 572 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 3: gaged up moment, my jaws hanging, noses, dripping a lot 573 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 3: of everywhere in the house. 574 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 4: That went by kind of quickly. Jennifer was saying she 575 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 4: dislocated her job while she was high on cocaine. 576 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 3: Forget showering on end, that like would go weeks on end, 577 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,199 Speaker 3: I mean not doing it. 578 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: And I looked at them with my. 579 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: Job disconnected, blood dripping down, and I. 580 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: Said, treatments for losers, I am not going there, and 581 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 2: they were like, we can't, why you die like this. 582 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 2: It didn't go. 583 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 3: Very well for them, but it stuck with me, and 584 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 3: I ended up going to treatment a couple days later, 585 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: and I went for five days under my terms, five 586 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 3: days I needed to sleep and eat anyways, but I 587 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 3: had a whole master plan, like I was gonna go 588 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 3: back out there, but I was. 589 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 2: Going to use the way I was going to control it. 590 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: I was going to be under my terms, right, And 591 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: those five days lasted nine and a half months. 592 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 4: While in rehab, Jennifer found out she was pregnant and. 593 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: I had to go through an R forty six afores 594 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 3: miscarriage and I signed the PaperWorks away that I had 595 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 3: to do that, and they told me not to connect 596 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 3: to that feeling, and of course I connected. I went 597 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: through contractions and all that for like twelve hours, and 598 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: it was a very brutal and painful thing, and I 599 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 3: wasn't feeling good afterwards for like two weeks, and I 600 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: kept begging my doctors at the treatment center so let 601 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 3: me go. And I kept asking to go to my 602 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: doctor in Beverly Hills. They finally let me go. I 603 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: found out I was like four and a half five 604 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 3: months pregnant, and I had to go through an emergency 605 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: DNC that day, and that doctor decided not to sedate me. 606 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 2: So I saw and felt everything. 607 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 3: I've got a few months under my belve sobriety, you know, 608 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: and I'm laying. 609 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 2: On this cold table and I'm asking myself. 610 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 3: What am I doing on this table? What did I do? 611 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 3: And like how did I get here? And oh my, 612 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 3: you know, like that what happened? 613 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 2: Moment? I was like completely traumatized. 614 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 3: Two weeks later, I went back to see my Beverly 615 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 3: Hills fancy doctor from Cedar Sinine, and he decided to 616 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: check me with the wand and then he decided to 617 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: sexually assault me with that WAND. 618 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 2: And I was. 619 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 3: So petrified, you know, that this man that I just 620 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 3: entrusted with a moment something so devastating for me. And 621 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 3: I just remember going, Who's going to believe me? It 622 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: was just me and him. I'm in treatment, I'm a 623 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 3: drug addict. Who's going to believe the drug addict? I 624 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 3: was able to start talking about it probably a few 625 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 3: years later, you know, and like, because I need to 626 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 3: break my I need to break the cycle. 627 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: I need to break the silence for. 628 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 3: Women, and I need it helps me mainly, you know, 629 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 3: by talking about this, because men don't understand how bad 630 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: women have it sometimes, you know, and we have it 631 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 3: very rough. We have to hold for hold house, be 632 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 3: a mom, be a wife, be an employer, be a daughter, 633 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 3: be a sister, be an aunt. 634 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: Cousin something. We have many responsibilities, and we wear many hats. 635 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 2: Today we wear many masks. 636 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 3: But one of the greatest thing is I can sit 637 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 3: here right now to you, speaking to you without a mask. 638 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 4: And that's an accomplishment for any of us, but maybe 639 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 4: especially for a model. So I know that was a 640 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 4: heavy episode, and Jennifer knows it too. 641 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 3: It's so weird because I can talk so dark and 642 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 3: a bit like I also can tell you it is 643 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: so beautiful and magnificent. 644 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 4: And that seems to be true. Modeling is beautiful and magnificent, 645 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: and it can also be really dark. What I heard 646 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 4: from a lot of models when I was working on 647 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 4: this podcast is that half of them ended up being 648 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 4: okay through the experience of modeling, and half of them 649 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 4: ended up just a mess. It does make you wonder 650 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 4: about an industry that would leave half of its most 651 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 4: significant figures that battered. At least for Jennifer, she turned 652 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 4: her bad experiences around and she survived. Next time on 653 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 4: Model Wars, we're going to follow Paul as he becomes 654 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,479 Speaker 4: a bigger agent than ever and starts to work with 655 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: even bigger supermodels. 656 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: He always wanted more. He wanted more for people than 657 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: they wanted for themselves. 658 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 4: And I walked into a nightclub one night and there's 659 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 4: and his freaking goofball Mook's bodyguards and friends and motorcycle guys. 660 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: I would meet someone in Milan. They go, what does 661 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: your mom and dad think of modeling? 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