1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Welcome to with the Sticks, DJ and 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Bucky back together, Buck. How are you doing? My friends? Madam? 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: Good DJ? What's going on with you? I'm excited about 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: today's episode. Man, We've got a great guest. Um. This 6 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: is uh, this is an opportunity in this time of 7 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: year we get to kind of cherry pick guys. We 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Guys were intrigued by and 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: this is one that we've talked about a lot over 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Uh. Brian Hartline a former 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: NFL wide receivers, a wide receivers coach at Ohio State 12 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: University where they have turned out one stud receiver after 13 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: another and the cupboard is still full as we saw 14 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: on the Rose Bowl last year with talented guys. So 15 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: we want to pick his brain a little bit in 16 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 1: terms of the evaluation process with wide receivers as well 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: as the development process with wide out. So that conversation 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 1: is going to become in your way in just a 19 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: few minutes. Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear what he 20 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: has to say about it all because it's a position 21 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: where you can put a great athlete out there and 22 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: maybe have success. But the guys we've talked about, the 23 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: guys who played for a long time and have a 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: lot of success, are the guys who are really skilled 25 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 1: craftsman on the perimeter, Guys who can run, rouse, guys 26 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: to understand how to create separation, Guys who not only 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: have great hand out coordination, but they have tremendous ball skill. 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,759 Speaker 1: And some of that stuff is natural, but a lot 29 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: of it is taught, and it takes great teachers to 30 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: help those guys required of skill. Yeah, hopefully you guys 31 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: will will dig this conversation. We're all gonna learn together. 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: I've got the pen on the paper ready, as we 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: do with these conversations about takes notes and see what 34 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:34,839 Speaker 1: I can find out about UH coach heart line. Before 35 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: we get to that conversation, though, I wanted to pick 36 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: your brain a little bit and let's chat it up 37 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: on on the wide receiver position. When you look around 38 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the league, let's go to the guys that were rookies 39 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: last year, so some second year whiteouts. When you look 40 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: at that list, Buck, are there some guys on there 41 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: you're excited to see? Maybe this is kind of that 42 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: breakout that we're waiting for. Here your number two. Yeah, 43 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: so let's go to the Baltimore Ravens and go to 44 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: Rashide bait. Uh. You know, when we think about the 45 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens, obviously we always think about Lamar Jackson and 46 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: the running attack and what Lamar Jackman is going to 47 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: do the impact that attack. I'm thinking about Rashide Bateman 48 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: because he now will be the number one receiver there. 49 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown is no longer there. They have a ton 50 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: of tight end and told but they don't necessarily have 51 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: an established wide receiver. Well, last year they took him 52 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: in the first round because they, uh maybe kind of 53 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 1: had a foreshadowing that this will be the role that 54 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: he would have. So now let's see how he steps 55 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: into that number one role. And by being a number 56 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: one in Baltimore, it doesn't need mean that he has 57 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: to have nine catches. I would think fifty to sixty 58 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: catches for Rushie Bateman is a very realistic number. But 59 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,559 Speaker 1: if he's able to push that over a thousand yards, 60 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: to me, he's given them exactly what they want, meaning 61 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: big play production, unlimited opportunities. That's exactly how they need 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: to compliment the running game, because I think they're gonna 63 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: go back to running the football and running at will. Yeah. 64 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: I think when you look at his outlook for this year, 65 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: the targets, I don't even really care about the targets, 66 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: and it's just gonna be big explosive plays like you know, 67 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: keep an eye on the number of plays over thirty 68 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: or four yards. I think he's gonna be able to 69 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: give them those. Um. I think they're gonna get back 70 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: to establishing that run, be healthy along that the line 71 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, and then use those tight ends and and 72 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: then I think his role is gonna be to pop 73 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: some um. And sometimes those can even just be on 74 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: slants Buck you get everybody jammed in there, um, and 75 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: just the r p O game, Boom should have slant 76 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: out there and let him go. So I'm with you 77 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: on that one. I think he has a good year. 78 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you two names. Um Elijah more Um. 79 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 1: We saw what he could do when he was healthy. 80 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: He had a four or five game stretch last year. 81 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: Remember that that game against Indianapolis where he went off. 82 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: We're talking about a premier route runner. You're number two, 83 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: not only for him, in the system, your number two 84 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 1: for Zach Wilson the quarterback. They get a chance to 85 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: work on that chemistry a little bit. Um. I just 86 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: think he's a guy that can uncover. You keep Corey 87 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: Davis healthy, you bring in some of these other weapons, uh, 88 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson as a rookie, you be able to give 89 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: them a little juice. You've got the running game should 90 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: be better with the offensive line hopefully healthy. At in 91 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: Freeze Hall. I think Elijah Morris poised for a big year. 92 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: And then I'll go to the team that I see 93 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: each and every week in Josh Palmer. Um. Maybe not 94 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: kind of a household name, but we we loved him 95 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: going to the process. We talked about him at the 96 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, how well he did there. Um. I remember 97 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,919 Speaker 1: during that draft evaluation we talked about how he's one 98 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: of the few guys that got Patrick's tan. He's you know, 99 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 1: he got him in that game Tennessee Alabama game last 100 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: year when given opportunities to have some injuries, Mike Williams, 101 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: Keenan Allen kind of in and out. I thought he 102 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: stepped up, and I think he's got a chance kind 103 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: of run with that third wide out position there with 104 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: the Chargers. Yeah, you know, it's funny because you talked 105 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: about those guys. There are two guys that also bring up. 106 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: How about the Yamy Brown from Watchington the command his 107 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: second year player. He's a vertical playmaker that they may need. 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: Everyone's going to pay attention to Terry McLaurin. You have 109 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: Curtis Samuel, Janny Brown could be a big play threat 110 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: for the Commanders, and then Mari Rodgers. He's kind of 111 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: been the forgotten man in Green Bay. But when you 112 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: look at the progression that they normally have with their 113 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: wide receiver is normally the guy that is a third 114 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: round pick who kind of starts out as a pum returning. 115 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: He has some problems as a pum returner, but now 116 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: I think he's more settled in. When you hear the 117 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: talk coming out of Green Bay, there are people that 118 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: are excited about the stuff that he's been able to 119 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: do in the off season. I think he is someone 120 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. He might be a very 121 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: productive chain mover for the Backers as a number three 122 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: receiver in that office. All right, there you go. There's 123 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: a couple of year two guys that were fired up 124 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: on speaking of fired up, we are extremely fired up 125 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: for our guests here. We teased it at the top. 126 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: Let's not waste any time. Let's go ahead and bring 127 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: him in here. Let's bring in Brian Hartline, former NFL 128 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: wide receiver and uh, really kind of the caretaker of 129 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: the top wide receiver program in the country. I think 130 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: you can make that case right now at Ohio State. 131 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: Here's our conversation with Coach hard Line. All right, Buck, 132 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: we talked about it. Let's bring him in here. Uh, Coach, 133 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: we appreciate you taking some time and joining us today. 134 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: First of all, man, what you've got a killer You've 135 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: got a killer tan working right now. I need to 136 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 1: know what you've been up to. Man. So in the 137 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: college world, we get the the awesome opportunity to constantly 138 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: do high school camps all summer in June, so I'm 139 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: outside coaching of guys. Really it's a great eval process. 140 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: But We've had a lot of camps outside, a lot 141 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: of work outside, and any chance I get, I go 142 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: to the pool with my kids. So I'm definitely working 143 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 1: on my on my team here. So yeah, coach, you 144 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: definitely have the Bronze God working. Uh, you definitely looked apart. 145 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: But I'm curious about the high school camp. Is there 146 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: anything that you can glean from watching a high school 147 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: kid at camp under your tutorage? Yeah? Absolutely. I mean 148 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: the in person evals are critical. I think that, you know, 149 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: film can tell you one thing, but film can be 150 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: a direct relation to sure their coach ability and how 151 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: their coached and what the expectations are and and that 152 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: changes from team to team. But to get your hands 153 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: on with somebody and have them move, I think that, 154 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: you know, like the pride myself, I think I know 155 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: what it looks like. You know, I can kind of 156 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: relate to it, like to work with them to get 157 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 1: their personality that you don't get on film. It's like 158 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: texting for just talking on the phone, there's something you're 159 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 1: getting from a communication standpoint in a phone call that 160 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: you're not getting into text the same as film. So uh, 161 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: to me, in person emails are critical to be frank 162 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: to talk college ball. I mean I've offered probably four 163 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: or five six guys just this summer alone by getting 164 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: to work with them so that in person EMIL can 165 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: be critical coach. I'm curious from your time plan. Uh, 166 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: fantastic receiver. There Ohio State, you went on to the league. Uh, 167 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: the difference in the training for these kids versus what 168 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're all a similar age when we were 169 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: coming up, just the seven on seven stuff the year round. 170 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 1: What what is the positives and the difference with these 171 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: kids now and then maybe what's something that you think 172 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: might be a negative? Well, I think that there's a 173 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: lot of ball being playing with the positive. I mean, 174 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: anytime you're going out there and you're you're throwing and catching, 175 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: it's really great for I would say receivers and dbs 176 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: more than anybody. Quarterback play can get a little hairy, 177 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, as far as reads and how that real 178 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: life works with no rush and all that people out 179 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: there and like you know, the jam and vants and 180 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: like all kinds of me you know, I think that 181 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: there's all kinds of stuff that goes on in the 182 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: seven or seven world. That being said, anytime young men 183 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: can compete, if you're finding that in track and field, 184 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: love it. If you find that, you know, in basketball, 185 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: we love that. Anytime you can compete, that's important. So 186 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: this competition is really awesome. It does open up a 187 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: weird world of adults being involved and when too many 188 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: adults get involved, things can get harry. This is what 189 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: it is. Uh, you know, so you can't create bad 190 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: habits a little bit. But I think that the positive 191 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: outweigh the negatives at the end of the day, especially 192 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: for these skilled athletes. Uh in the seven on the 193 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: seven world, they do get to develop. I don't know 194 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,959 Speaker 1: how you get the same development for like an old 195 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 1: line D line. That's the one thing that we see 196 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: more than ever, I think trying to find the quality 197 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: O lineman. Uh, it's just not a you know, sexy position. 198 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: You know a lot of those D lineman, I think 199 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: they be lineman. It really should be playing online and 200 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: and that development from the past game perspective is there. 201 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: But who are those one blockers who are so in 202 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: a in a college setting, uh, where whenever there's a positive, 203 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: like anything, there's always you know, a drawback. But I 204 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: think it's great for guys to compete as far as 205 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: the training, those uh, a lot of guys I think 206 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: are more advanced than ever. I think the game has 207 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: been sped up. I think recruiting has been set up. 208 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I think development has been set up, and uh, you 209 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: know that's really really important. But what it takes to 210 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: get to the NFL level hasn't changed. The work that 211 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: it takes to get to the NFL level hasn't changed. Uh, 212 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: it just feels like there's more of them. From a 213 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: receiver standpoint. Uh, the floor is a lot higher than 214 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: it used to be, and the skill set of these 215 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: young athletes are just continuing to grow. You know, I 216 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 1: gotta ask you this because I've spent a lot of 217 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: time coaching high school wide receivers on the tour, doing 218 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: the stuff at IT LEAD eleven and opening and those things, 219 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: and I think one of the biggest challenge for me 220 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: as a coach is coaching guys that come in different 221 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: sizes with different games. You have a little guy who 222 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: has maybe ideally student to be in the slot than 223 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: the next rip. You may have a big body playmaker 224 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: on the outside. For you at Ohio State, you guys 225 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: have had all types come through there. How do you 226 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: adjust you're teaching when it comes to techniques when dealing 227 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 1: with different types of players to get them all to 228 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: maximize their potential. You know, I think that I really, 229 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: for you know, refrain from ever pigeonholing a guy into 230 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 1: this type of player. I think that the NFL level, 231 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: if you're not well rounded, you're not gonna make it. So, 232 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing. In my again, I really my 233 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: passion has always been the NFL. You know, the NFL 234 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: is where I grew up. I wasn't in a college 235 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: fan like, so everything is geared towards that. The way 236 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: I teach, the whey I coach these guys, I am 237 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: prepping them to be, you know, NFL players. Now I'm not. 238 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: We're not going to go to school for three or 239 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: four years learning to agree and not be prepared to 240 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: be a CEO and doesn't make any sense. So everything 241 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: is prepped for that. So they do have different skill sets. 242 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: They need to know who they are and they got 243 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 1: to make sure they add to that because you're not 244 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: well rounded. As soon as your pointator gets fired or 245 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: your head coach changes, you don't fit a system, then 246 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: you have issues. And I think that at the end 247 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: of the day, you may have different you know, size 248 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: from a hype perspective, but your catch rate is better 249 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: be off the charts, your toughness better be off the charts. 250 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: You should be able to do anything someone's asked you 251 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: to do. And I understand you know, you're not gonna 252 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: put a five ten kid on the backside. It's for 253 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: about one concept and isolate them. But he has to 254 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 1: be able to do that. At times we're getting getting 255 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: a twelve personnel. You want to make sure Jervis Langer 256 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: can go at the X and still win. I mean, 257 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. So that's always been our mindset, and 258 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: I think the guys really buy into that. I think 259 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: that again, we make sure to recruit guys that we 260 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: kind of you know, kind of fit our mold. You know, 261 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: is there's someone maybe some smaller guys that really just 262 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: could be great players, just not for us, which is okay, 263 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: and they can go some us to be great players. 264 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: So it's all that, you know what I mean, All 265 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: that plays apart, but from a personality standpoint, from our 266 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: room standpoint, I don't like being labeled. I was labeled 267 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: and not carry that with a chip. So you know, 268 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: if you ask any guy in my room, they can 269 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 1: do anything you ask them to do. Coach, what do 270 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you want me to do? And then we want to 271 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: train them that way. I'm curious which when you do 272 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: a self scout, one of the things you always do 273 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: in scouting, is you we're always going back trying to 274 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: figure out why we got guys wrong, why we got 275 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: guys right. And Bucky and I've been talking about this 276 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: for a few years and we kicked this around Reggie 277 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: Wayne a lot too. But when you kind of go 278 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: through and look at the guys, maybe you under you know, 279 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: we personally maybe have undergraded over the years. We kept 280 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: seeing these same words pop up over and over again, craftsman, polish, 281 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: he's got tempo, he's got feel. And then you look 282 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: at some of the guys you miss on more kind 283 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: of straight line, fast guys um that just didn't necessarily 284 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: have all that. When you've looked at just the evaluation 285 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: process before you get your hands on them to develop them, 286 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: what are some of those lessons that you've learned over 287 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: the years as an evaluator or a career I would 288 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: say that you you know, you can't get mad at 289 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: a guy that can't do something he can't do all right, 290 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: So to me, I would say that, you know, the 291 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: athletic side of things, the film side of things, that's 292 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: more of a check the box, like is he fast enough, 293 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: is he quick enough? Is he big enough? Is his 294 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: frank enough and then you go from there. I mean, 295 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: you're talking about sixteen seventeen year old athletes. Now what's 296 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: not negotiable is their mental makeup and what is that? 297 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: What does that entail? I'm just telling you, at the 298 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: end of the day, I've never talked to a great athlete, 299 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: great wide receiver in the NFL, and frankly, for lack 300 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: of better words, they were dumb. Like all of them 301 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: can talk it, all of them can think it. It's 302 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: all this. It's a cerebral game. You're ability to take 303 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: information and reapply it is critically. You know. We have 304 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: a saying, you know in our room, and this is 305 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: kind of again it leads to that, like it's all 306 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: the mindset, right. It really is like and when I 307 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: asked someone to raise their hand as high as they can, 308 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: and then they raise it and I asked, no, no no, 309 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: as high as you can, and then it changes. Why 310 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: don't we understand it the first time? And and to me, 311 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: I think that you know, again, we talk about man 312 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: cover right, and man cover to dB only places fast 313 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: to the receiver right. He only operates off the information 314 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: we give him. Okay, so how do we give information? 315 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: Everything is one from break point to catch point? How 316 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: do we separate? How are we able to create separation 317 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: to make a quarterback better, to make the old line better. 318 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 1: We're a trick coal effect. So we spend so much 319 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: time about the mental aspect of the game in our 320 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: approach and what we're trying to get accomplished. Okay, did 321 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: we accomplish it? If and through the recruiting process, in 322 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: the evail process, if you can't get it, get a 323 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: feel on that. Um, it's they're wrong fit, at least 324 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: in our in our eyes, in my eyes, I'm sorry, 325 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: I want to ask you a fall up on that 326 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: because I'm curious, like, say, you get and I have. 327 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: We totally pay attention to the recruiting process for at 328 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: the college level. But I'm sure you've got some guys 329 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: that are probably already committed future players. Would you would 330 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: you or even guys you're recruiting, would you ever watch 331 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, a game early in their high school season 332 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: and maybe say, hey, I've noticed this, this or this. 333 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: You know, maybe you could make an adjustment. You're almost 334 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of coaching a kid before he even gets to you, 335 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: or I don't know, if that's frowned upon I don't 336 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: know what the rules are there, but man, that's an 337 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: idea to see if the kid can learn and adapt. No, absolutely, 338 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's what it's all about. I mean 339 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: so so to me, those guys thrive on that. And frankly, 340 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: I think that a lot of feedback is the dialogue. 341 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: We give a lot different than others, and that kind 342 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: of separates us, to be honest, so like, but no, 343 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think that. Uh. I don't 344 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: always say that and give a direct response. My first question, 345 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: and it always is why did you do that? Because 346 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: if they don't know why they did it, they're just 347 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: being a baller. They don't have any idea. To me, 348 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care that you can do it. 349 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: It's about how often you can do it. If you 350 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: don't know why it's good, it probably won't show up again. 351 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: It's a coin flip. So we spend as much time 352 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: as we can identifying the good, but also reinforcing why 353 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: it's good. Hold on, awesome route, great inside release. Do 354 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: you understand why that position the guy there? If they 355 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: know that good chance is gonna happen again? And if that, 356 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: if they know that, then the negatives or they're not 357 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: so good, don't show up. So we spend so much 358 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: time on the positivity of why it was good because 359 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: I want to see more of that. If you just say, man, 360 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: great route, that's all I got when I was when 361 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: I was a player, I caught a ball and go like, 362 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: oh man, great route. Like actually was but I was productive, 363 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: So that's all you can tell me. So like, I 364 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: really really really enforced like why it was good because 365 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: they know why it will happen more often they don't 366 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: know why it's a coin flip, and and more times 367 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: they know why that Again that the mistakes d m 368 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: as just go by the wayside because you're really focusing 369 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: on why it was a good rep That makes sense. 370 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: So I did the same thing with the high school kids. Hey, 371 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: you know why that was good? Honestly, goach, I have 372 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: no idea. Okay, that's a good answer that they explained 373 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: you why, and then we go for you know, Brian, 374 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: I really love what I'm hearing, and I have to 375 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: ask you this because as a long time player, I'm 376 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: curious because you're so detailed down then and can give 377 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,360 Speaker 1: me the wise behind it. Who influenced you the most? 378 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: In terms of you learning how to take information like that, 379 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: you're learning how to give information like that, because that 380 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: is uncommon in my experience. Yeah, it's pretty cool, I mean, 381 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: And and so in retrospect, first answer is gonna be 382 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Darryl Hazel coach. Hazel was the receiver coach here. Uh, 383 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: you know when I was here, fortunate enough to have 384 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: him all four of my years, And I mean, it's 385 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: it's funny. But then I think, frankly, you know that 386 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: I kind of developed alone, my on my own path. 387 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I think I was being a player. And frankly, I've 388 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: had coaches that you know, I was very under loomed 389 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: with at times, and you know, guys like Jarvis Landry 390 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: and Brandon Marshall, Mike Wallace and Brandon Gibson and Greg Camerio, 391 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 1: like we would be coaching ourselves, but I was very 392 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 1: I'm very opinionated. So I think, I I it just 393 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: developed over time. Honestly, we were coaching each other. We 394 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: were and there's nothing better than peer to peer learning. 395 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: There isn't. And so I learned a lot from coaches. 396 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: I learn a lot from Jarvis Landry and barn and Marshall. 397 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:31,400 Speaker 1: He's learned from me, and we learned a lot from 398 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:33,959 Speaker 1: each other, and I think over time it just continued 399 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: to develop. I'm now a coach for five years and 400 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: I've learned so much, just grabbing, you know, refining my 401 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: my belief and you know, and and so I guess 402 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: I don't have a great answer for you, but I 403 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: know that Coach Hazel really changed my life and I 404 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: owe a lot to him. He went on to be 405 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: the Kent State head coach and Produe head coach, and 406 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: he was up there with Stefon Diggs and feeling for 407 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: a while in Minnesota did a I mean, he's a 408 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,040 Speaker 1: phenomenal coach. And he always told me a coach, and 409 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,919 Speaker 1: I'm fifty five, I'm done, I'm with my kids in 410 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the new term fifty five. And he just hit it, 411 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: you know. He he was down to Cincinnati now, but 412 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: he really like changed my and so it's funny because 413 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: I'll come back, you know how I am. Like I 414 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: thought it was one way, and it was I was like, hey, coach, 415 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: I cheach just like you did like this this this. 416 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 1: He looked at me like your heart like I didn't 417 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: teach that. I was just teaching like this and this 418 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: and I was like, you added that. I was like, 419 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: I see, I just warped it on my head. I'm like, 420 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: so it's been a combination of so much. And frankly, 421 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: I watched on Instagram and I I lived do like 422 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 1: I talked to all the time. I just want to 423 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: learn so I can pass on to others. And uh, 424 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't realize that was happening in 425 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: my life. I thought I was a player, but now 426 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: I realized, like I went through that path to hopefully 427 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: be wearing man today. So that's a long answered but 428 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: that's kind of the guys that kind of shaped over 429 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: the years. We'll see and that was fantastic information. But 430 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: I was having PTSD on Great Camera Reel because that's, uh, 431 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 1: that's my past. He had the freaky best three cone 432 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: or like short shuttle at the Stanford Protet. He didn't 433 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: have a kind of production at Stanford, and I was like, 434 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: this guy, we get to the protet. He put on 435 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: a show and I was I was with the Ravens, 436 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: I believe at the time, and you know, we were 437 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: very much tape related production, you know, and make up 438 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 1: in that and then we didn't we tried not to 439 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: get carried away with pro days. And then after that 440 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, dude, tears up the 441 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 1: shuttles like this again, like I'm not I'm not making 442 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: that mistake twice. Yeah, went on, had a heck of 443 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: a productive career, man, but the Huger direction was off 444 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: the charts again in the common the common themes, themes 445 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: as those uh, the cerebral mental approach, the mental makeup. Man, 446 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: just every time I talked to you know, if it's 447 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: other it's Ocho or b Marsh or like, it's just 448 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: it's all. It's all linked, like they all sound of sand. 449 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: They can talk it if you can't. There's just something there. 450 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: You know. Again we're not saying it's concrete. It's odd 451 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: of success. Right, How how do I improve my od 452 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: those sets fort R time? Okay, I'll come, okay, pro 453 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Julian not saying it's one or the other. It's just 454 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: your odds of success. And the more you do that, 455 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: the more this is gonna happen. I want to talk 456 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: about a couple of guys you put out last year 457 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: as a heck of a year for you with with 458 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 1: really three guys, you had your hands on that that 459 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: found their way at the top of the draft. Let's 460 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: let's start here with Garrett Wilson. I want you just 461 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: on these guys. Coach. If I was gonna say, why 462 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: is he going to be successful? What would your answer be? 463 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Let's start with Garrett Wilson. You know Garrett Wilson. Uh, 464 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: I mean wow, when a maturation, I mean he came 465 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: in as an athlete, I mean a heck of an athlete. 466 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: I mean, may the best I've ever seen. And uh, 467 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: but his ability to grow, if we said, in the 468 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: mental makeup of the game, is critical and I think 469 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: if you asked him, he'd probably tell you the same thing. 470 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: So to me, you know, he has all the skill sets, 471 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: all right, So it's gonna come down to you know, 472 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: continuing that that that that consistency, right, I mean and 473 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: time if you can do it, it's how often? So 474 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: as long as he continues to grow in that facet. 475 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 1: And again, just like all athletes, not just Garrett Wilson, 476 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,959 Speaker 1: but like when you show up, you understand, I always say, 477 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: it's like Mario Kart. You know, it's like the race 478 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: ain't done. You just hit a check down. So like 479 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: you get his checkpoint. Now we gotta grow from here? 480 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: How much can I grow from here? To continue on 481 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: that path? Because the path and trajectory he's on especial 482 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: year to his junior year is just off the charts. 483 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: So can you learn from the guys around and you 484 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: get with this quarterback? Can he maintain a great lifestyle 485 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: he already lives, you know, and and to me, when 486 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: everything changes, when you're surroundings change, it's more about can 487 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: I stay on my path? So if G five can 488 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: just stay on the path he's on and continue to 489 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, add to that path, I mean, sky is 490 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: the limit. So if he's the issue, your question is 491 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: he's going to be successful if he stays on the 492 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: path he's on. That's what I would say, Uh, Chris, 493 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, really is as consistent as you come. I 494 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: mean when you put on the film, it's not necessarily 495 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: a violent film and outside your body film and horror 496 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: movement film. It's just smooth and consistent, and you know, 497 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: as a quarterback, you know where he's gonna be and 498 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: when he's supposed to be there. Uh. Personality wise, he's quiet, 499 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: like he's he knows how to be a pro just 500 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: like Gary. It so these guys have a lot in 501 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: common to where they're at. I think that, you know, 502 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: Chris is just a year older, so he's kind of, 503 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, provided that extra year of learning and growing. Uh. 504 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: But you know, I just think, I know, as a quarterback, 505 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: I think that at the end of the day, a 506 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: lot of guys do different things. Uh, and Chris can 507 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: do it all. I mean again, it's not gonna be flashy, 508 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: but he's gonna he's gonna sell the heck out of 509 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: that go ball and run that comeback and no one's 510 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: gonna be on. He's gonna create uncontested catches for you 511 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a routes on their mentality. So 512 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: uh again, not to sound uh, you know, repetitive, but 513 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: these guys just down the path they're on, in my opinion, 514 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 1: they they're destined for success. And then again it's it's 515 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: how long they can do it right the NFL, we know, 516 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: not for long, but it comes down taking care of 517 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: our bodies and operating at at the level they already operating. 518 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: So so my love a story. Uh he was I'm 519 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: a sandgl guy. He grew up out here, so, uh, 520 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: they have a prep pig Skin Award or something's like 521 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 1: for the top football player in San Diego. Can on me. 522 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: So they had me and Talsco Tom Talesco. The GM 523 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: of the charges were to the guys had to vote 524 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: vote on this thing. So we we do it independent 525 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: of each other. We kind of sent in who it was. Well, 526 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: one of the nominees was the quarterback. I think it 527 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: was Jack Tuttle, was the quarterback at his high school. 528 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: So I see to LESCo, you know, after this thing, 529 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: and I go, hey, who did you vote for? He goes, well, 530 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: the best guy that I saw wasn't even nominated. I'm 531 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: like the receiver that was with the other quarterback, right, 532 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: He's like, yes, I'm like who this kid is? But 533 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: that kid's the best player of any of these guys 534 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: that we were we were looking at for this award. Um, 535 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 1: but man, what a fine uh for you guys to 536 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 1: go out to California and pluck off the film. Yeah, 537 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: we watched films. So yeah, we was watching the film. 538 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: I thought it was more from because never even so 539 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: this is so this is going back gosh, so this 540 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: would have been was this his senior year? So it's 541 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: a scene. Yeah, so it's it's for the top senior 542 00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: player or whatever in the country, and at Chris Kids 543 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: fast man. Yeah, I'm sorry, but yeah, we're out to 544 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: recruit the quarterback. And that's kind of how it all 545 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: linked up because he didn't play a senior year. I 546 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: was not the receiver coach at the time, and I 547 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: remember watching his film. Uh kind of pushed a hard, 548 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 1: just checking out. You know. We had these guys kind 549 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 1: of in the boat, you know, where is he stack up? 550 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: And I was like, frankly, I was like, yeah, he's 551 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: the best one, hands down. He was. You know, I 552 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: thought so too. I'm like, so we went down that 553 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: road and blessed that he came here. And then by 554 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: the time he showed up in June because he was 555 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 1: a normal arrival, Um I got I. I started the 556 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: receiver job, you know, in July or so, so he 557 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,880 Speaker 1: was about a month a month out and uh yeah, 558 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: so his first year was my first year. Yeah, I mean, 559 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: he just he's one of those guys and again you 560 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: take you with a grain of salt. It's a high 561 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: school field, but when the guy looks he's just operating 562 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: a totally different speed than everybody else out there, and 563 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: just had total control of his body. But he was 564 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: he was fun and was writing a route tree just 565 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: need to be developed, and he definitely put the time 566 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: in to do that. So yeah, and then I remember 567 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: flipping on gosh, it's a Saturday out here, probably one 568 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: of those nine AM West Coasters for for a Big 569 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 1: ten game, and I remember, uh, maybe it was Michigan 570 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: and one of his games of freshman year. I saw 571 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: him blocking. It would have been Michigan, it would have 572 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: been Killed North because like you know, for that, Um, 573 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: he was a June guy. So it took a little 574 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: more time to kind of get rolling, but he started 575 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: really being attribute to our team, uh, towards the end 576 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: of the year. Yeah, yeah, I remember, because I do 577 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: the I do the Charger games and and uh and 578 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 1: Tom and I have said, that's that's the guy we 579 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: were talking about. Like you should have won that the 580 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 1: pret Piskin Award back back the year before last one. 581 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,919 Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, you had your hands on him before he 582 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,479 Speaker 1: goes to Alabama, has an unbelievable year before that unfortunate injury. 583 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: Uh still goes in the first round of Destroit Lions. Um, 584 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,199 Speaker 1: just you know what you saw from him and you 585 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: talked about kind of the trajectory line. Did you see 586 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: that coming at that? Yeah, absolutely, and not to dive 587 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: into like the conversations we had, but we're just in 588 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: a spot, you know where, and again he was that 589 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: so he came in June as well. Um spent you know, 590 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: the first two years of his career with us, and 591 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: then you know, uh, in June headed down to Alabama 592 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: and and really at the end of the day, it 593 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: was just, you know, one of those things where we 594 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: have Jackson's with the Jigbo where we haven't talked a 595 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: lot about, which is fine, but we're gonna talk about 596 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: him pretty quick here now. And we just had honest 597 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: conversations in the spring. Long, long story short, it just 598 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: kind of was a you know, sometimes you know, there's 599 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: pressures to be and may I really want to put 600 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: myself a position to be a three three year and 601 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 1: out kind of guy? And you know, it was just 602 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: one of those conversations where listen, may like, I don't 603 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: know if I can guarantee you that right now, but 604 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: if you're here and graduate your fourth year, you're gonna 605 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: reach all of your dreams. You're gonna be a top 606 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: fifteen guy. I know what you you know what your 607 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: papable anyways, not to divult into that, but it was 608 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: I thought barely hid him like I love Jamo, and 609 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: um he knows that, and I did. You know, we 610 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: did everything we could to make sure he was successful 611 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,199 Speaker 1: and everything he accomplished. Man, I'm so happy for him 612 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: and his family. Right. Uh, this solid though high hip 613 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: longer gate he came in, could really run. He was 614 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: a hurdler and a little bit and ran track and 615 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: I fell in love with him when you know that 616 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: fall on my first fall. And uh, all right, he 617 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: had a little bit of a development from a route perspective, 618 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: just because he's high hiped and long so he had 619 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: to kind of work through that. Did a phenomenal job, 620 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: had a great spring before he headed south. And uh, 621 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: but I have most loved there is for James. I 622 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: remember talking frankly with Detroit and just about how much 623 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: I thought of Jamo, and uh, and I think that 624 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, Uh, everything 625 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: he's received and it's done well well deserved. I mean, 626 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 1: what a heck of a player. So I think for 627 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: him to have have been main successful, it will just be 628 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: the consistency level I really not to be a broken record, 629 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: but it always comes down to that. You know, he 630 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: had a great, great year down the South, and uh, 631 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: now do it again, and then do it again, and 632 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: then don't get bored and think you've arrived, just like 633 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: every athlete once you have a good year. But that 634 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: guy's a ball guy. He is. He loves to compete, 635 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: he loves to practice, so he has to make up 636 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: of being a guy that could play football for a 637 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: long time in the NFL. Now, ted Teddy Gain was 638 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: before you at Ohio two years before. But just like 639 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: in terms of like you talked about high hip, straight line, 640 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 1: big time juice like that. That was my kind of 641 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: comparison for him going I think that, you know, I 642 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: don't think Hey man, I think I think our route 643 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: development was a little better than than his. But no, 644 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: I mean getting aside, there's there's no doubt there's a 645 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: comparison there. He knows. And again, me and Teddy are 646 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: like if we ran track against each other in high school. U. 647 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: But I think Jamo developed into one heck of a 648 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: route runner. And uh, I think he's a phenomenal job 649 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: and I'm a fan for life, so um, I know 650 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: he was back in town with the boys, probably a 651 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: week ago or so, but you know, he uh and 652 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: it was the biggest fan. I can't wait to watch 653 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: what he does in Detroit. Hey, coach, this has been fun. Man. 654 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate all your time being generous with us today. 655 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: We always like when we get guys are doing good 656 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: work and get a chance to fill up a note 657 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: a notebook here of good stuff, help us get better 658 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: what we do. So we appreciate your time. Man. Best 659 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: to luck. I know I did see a little thing. 660 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: I did a little homework. I did see you already 661 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: crushing and recruiting. So the pipeliness fall. You lose all 662 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: these you lose all these guys, you go to the 663 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl. I talked to Pantoni, who's in charge now 664 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: they're un recruiting, and he's like, dude, we'll be okay. 665 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: And I was like, really, this is some studs you're losing. 666 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: I turned on the Rose but I was like, yeah, 667 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: you guys are fine. Special. Now what kind of We've 668 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: created a room where's NFL like, and these guys are 669 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: learning from each other, you know, like I said, like 670 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: pure to pure pressure to learn. I don't care if 671 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,720 Speaker 1: learning for me. Are you're going from Garret Wilson, you 672 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: surround yourself at the best, You're gonna become the best. Well, 673 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: you're doing a heck of a job, man, and your 674 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: reputation is continue to grow at the NFL level as well, 675 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: and we're excited to follow your career and you as 676 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: you move along. Best to luck over the rest of 677 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 1: the summer as you guys kick it off this fall. 678 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: Appreciate you. I love talking to you guys. See you 679 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: guys all right. I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation 680 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 1: as much as we did. So awesome to catch up 681 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: with Brian Hartline again. I don't know you can find 682 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: a better developer of white outs right now in football. 683 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: He's just done a phenomenal job and not only identifying 684 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: good players recruiting them, but really the more importantly developing 685 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 1: them and adding new wants to their game and as 686 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: he mentioned, finding the right the right makeup, the right 687 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: cerebral makeup with these guys and just and just giving 688 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: him information. Uh, he's done a phenomenal job. And again 689 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: I'm very generous with this time today. We appreciate that. 690 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: I hope you guys have enjoyed the show as much 691 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: as we have, and we'll catch you next time right 692 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: here on moving the sticks, ye