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Speaker 1: Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen to No Fouls Given, presented

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Speaker 1: by Prize Picks. Of course, I'm your co host, Big Wise,

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Speaker 1: and I'm joined as always by Danny Green Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 1: We got another incredible show on Slave for you guys today,

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Speaker 1: so let's just get right into it. First up, man,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take some more fans questions. You guys have

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Speaker 1: been doing a great job of sending us some fun questions.

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Speaker 1: And the first question, I'll get to that one. I

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Speaker 1: want to ask you because we were talking about this

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Speaker 1: in the show for Danny Green from Caine's Fan for Life, what.

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Speaker 2: Was your favorite Tar heels? Men? We were talking about

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Speaker 2: this before the show. No, you're time in North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about we weren't talking about but uh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, man, we would have.

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Speaker 1: To put that on Patreons.

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Speaker 2: Truth after a lot of different things, put it on

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Speaker 2: Truth after Dark. But nah, So you probably think about

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Speaker 2: like your youngest I'm saying your youngest, but like my

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Speaker 2: first introduction to college basketball and we weren't expected to

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Speaker 2: win anything. Everybody left it five team had just won

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Speaker 2: a national title. It was me Tyler Hansboro. You know,

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Speaker 2: Marcus Gard Bobby Fraser. We had a small group. Our

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Speaker 2: team wasn't that good, but being Duke at Duke was

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Speaker 2: probably that happened your freshman year, Yeah, Tyler, we beat them.

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Speaker 2: That was Aj was a senior. They had shell the

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Speaker 2: Williams out, you know, the Landlord had all those guys.

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Speaker 2: We weren't supposed to win. But I've been lucky enough

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Speaker 2: to be undefeated at Cameron. But that was the start

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Speaker 2: of it. You played, You beat Duke four years in

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Speaker 2: a Cameron. Yeah, not many. There's a couple of guys,

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Speaker 2: said Tyler. Of course the guys in my class. Think

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Speaker 2: Tim Duncan's another one. There's not many people that can

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Speaker 2: say undefeated in Cameron. But to go in that building

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Speaker 2: and then fans right on top of you, it's like

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Speaker 2: only six thousand fans, but they got their whole. I

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Speaker 2: feel like they go to class for the chance that

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Speaker 2: they be doing They got some funny shit. But to

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Speaker 2: go in there and beat them, said, and we beat

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Speaker 2: them on some senior knights too, it's like their senior knights. Wow,

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Speaker 2: we spoiled a couple of them. So that probably was

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite, like definitely my favorite outside of

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Speaker 2: winning the National title, but beating Duke at Cameron and

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Speaker 2: then come to Franklin Street seeing how Frankly Sheet. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever been or heard of.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to UNC you've been like.

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Speaker 2: All Cinema or six Street or anything like that. Of course,

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Speaker 2: so Frankly Sheet is like that. But on Halloween they

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Speaker 2: shut the street down. Everybody out there, like eighty thousand

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Speaker 2: people will costumes. So when we went in big, big Night,

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Speaker 2: everybody's out there like there's bonfires, people jumping, climbing poles

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Speaker 2: like it's it's it's crazy, it's a whole thing. So

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Speaker 2: we never got a chance to experience it because we're

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Speaker 1: Well, just to name them for the people that can't

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Speaker 1: see the players that the Brandon Harris mentioned is d

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Speaker 1: Wade Carmelo, Shaq, Jeff t, Pat Bev, Draymond KG, you,

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Speaker 1: Donnis Porter Junior, and Jalen Brunson. I think we can

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Speaker 1: say Shack is the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm thinking, like, is anybody in that realm

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Speaker 2: Mike or any Arry Bird those guys like Shack feels

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Speaker 2: like a top ten player on the top ten players

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Speaker 2: of the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, problem, it's just him.

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Speaker 2: And then outside of that, then you got to go

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Speaker 2: right to KG, and you got to go to KG

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Speaker 2: like KG and Truth like them as a tandem. It's

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Speaker 2: probably the two because KG is if not top ten,

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Speaker 2: right outside the top ten. Yes, and then uh d

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Speaker 2: Wade and Mellow.

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Speaker 1: Wade and Mellow, I would says, in that next tier

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Speaker 1: right there, so you know, pick like just straight up superstars,

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Speaker 1: like superstar unstoppable players in their prime.

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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 1: Draymond Man, I would say Jalen Brunson is a better

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Speaker 2: But the resume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but like carrying offenses in the playoffs and getting

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Speaker 1: to conference finals, I think it's.

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Speaker 2: A dominant defensive Bro, that's cool, but we can do that.

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Speaker 2: Last that's not but that's that's not the team.

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Speaker 1: How about we do it like this? Like who gets

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Speaker 1: paid more? Who's going to get a max contract? A

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Speaker 1: couple of No, he didn't get no damn max. He

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Speaker 1: got good money, but he didn't get a max.

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Speaker 2: Conras got some max deal. No, he didn't. Man, last

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Speaker 2: it was one hundred. Before that he made a hundred,

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Speaker 2: and what was his dealing?

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Speaker 1: He made good money? He was he wasn't getting max contracts.

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Speaker 1: Was like I don't know, like probably made.

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Speaker 2: Like bro before that was extension, like it was probably.

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Speaker 1: There won twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Did here twice.

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Speaker 1: Bro, Clay Thompson got a two hundred million dollar contract.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason he got that not Draymond Green because

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Speaker 1: offense is harder to quire.

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Speaker 2: Where was Draymond's contract before that? I'm pretty sure it

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Speaker 2: was a it was a twenty million dollar contract, Bro. No,

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Speaker 2: I don't know now after his rookie year five years

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Speaker 2: eighty two, telling you Bro, he wasn't at that time.

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Speaker 1: That was like a big It was a nice contract, Danny.

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Speaker 2: But they paid Clay eighty minutes he did, right, So

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Speaker 2: what's the max? Yeah? Where is the max at the time? No, No,

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Speaker 2: four years one hundred is not a max. Guys signed

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Speaker 2: max contract stead Who Bro, that's not a mag At

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Speaker 2: the time, it was Bro Clay, Yo, he's hat Bro.

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Speaker 2: He signed to max deals. Bro, he's with Clutch, he's

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Speaker 2: playing twice.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five million dollars was not the maximum NBA salary

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Speaker 1: at that time.

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Speaker 3: According to ESPN, Draymond agreed to a four year, one

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Speaker 3: hundred million dollar maximum contract extent in twenty nineteen, and.

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Speaker 2: Before that twenty fourteen fifteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: Draymond was the second round pick. So you know, your

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Speaker 1: contracts kind of get I understand he's based off of

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Speaker 1: your original contract. But he's never like signed a true

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Speaker 2: You never sign a max deal for being a lottery pick.

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Speaker 2: Okay is though Bro he signed max deals like Jo.

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Speaker 1: Kich is the second round pick.

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Speaker 2: Right, You see how he's His deal was two hundred

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Speaker 2: something mill in a different era, d you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean in the league longer max deals. Back then

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Speaker 2: it was like fifty five mill like bro Bro twenty

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Speaker 2: million dollars five yes, yes, when you were young, there

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Speaker 2: was Max Dell's at the first one hundred contract.

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Speaker 3: My first max in two thousand and three was five

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Speaker 3: years and eighty million.

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Speaker 2: Facts. Yes, okay in two thousand and three exactly, So twenty.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen, that's not a maximum contract.

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Speaker 2: Anyway.

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Speaker 1: He's not as good as Jalen Brunson.

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Speaker 2: People.

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Speaker 1: He's not putting people on his back and driving clutch

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Speaker 1: offense on his own like Jalen br Jalen bruns is

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Speaker 1: better than Draymond.

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Speaker 2: This last pot though, the way you were talking we

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Speaker 2: were talking about Martin, we said, you're talking about his

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Speaker 2: defense is being an impactful games the dominant Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: his defense is compared to Jaien Bunch of offense.

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Speaker 1: No, No, you're talking about No, it's harder. It's rare

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Speaker 1: to find somebody who does what Jalen Brunton does on

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Speaker 1: offense than it is to find. Really, you need good

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Speaker 1: defensive players, but it's easier to find them than guys

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Speaker 2: Today's NBA is not as easy. I feel he's not

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Speaker 2: many defenders in today's NBA.

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Speaker 1: I saw that on the internet. I completely disagree.

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Speaker 2: If there was, you think nine times all defensive team,

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Speaker 2: you think we couldn't find other guys. There's a bunch off.

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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of other defenders out there, and Draymond's

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Speaker 2: the first to do it nine times. No, not Michael Jordan,

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Speaker 2: not Scottie Pippen, not what I mean what non all

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Speaker 2: defensive teams. Nobody's doing it. I think he's the first

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Speaker 2: and only to do it. I think he's the first.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that.

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Speaker 2: I think Jordan all defensive teams. I gotta check that,

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Speaker 2: but I think he was the first, like to he

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Speaker 2: was like the I thought he wasn't first. Tim Ducket,

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Speaker 2: how many all defenses? I don't know if he has not,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Timmy I would like to do. You

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Speaker 2: don't know about your teammates more and more.

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Speaker 1: The first team, seven second teams, fifteen select fifteen selections.

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Speaker 2: Bro, you don't know how you don't know this? No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: it's right there, like whe where do you? They said

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Speaker 2: it made basketball encyclopedia. He can't believe that.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying is dra Mind has been an elite defender.

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Speaker 1: And again he's however long into his career that he's been.

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Speaker 2: Like you, so before you looked up, you don't have

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Speaker 2: any ticket you might defensive selections ticket had.

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Speaker 3: Before this came up, I knew he had more than

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Speaker 3: nine or not. Yes, That's why I said sure.

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Speaker 2: But when he said it, he when Jaymond spoke about it,

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Speaker 2: he's like no other people, nobody else maybe second rounders.

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Speaker 1: I think, maybe the second rounders or like guys that

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Speaker 1: Ken was like trying to put him in the company.

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Speaker 1: But all of this is to say, just just because

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Speaker 1: He is at the level I would say he's right

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Speaker 2: Of drama with the Draymond thing. What was the thoughts?

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Speaker 1: They're already paying David Lee. They like, they don't want

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Speaker 2: You have to force your.

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Speaker 2: Depends on where he was just way better than than

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Speaker 2: So this I did wait wait, wait, wait at defense

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Speaker 1: line up data. That's why they put Draymond. They couldn't

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Speaker 1: they couldn't deny it anymore. Like when he played, the

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Speaker 2: But then when they played David League, well because because

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Speaker 2: he you know what I'm saying, he fit better with

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Speaker 1: Better play than David Lee, just better playing than David Lee.

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Speaker 2: At the time, I'm saying he became a better player.

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Speaker 2: That's why he played.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he played because Dave got hurt. Yes, he was

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Speaker 1: Respect stop. You know what I'm saying is about breaking

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Speaker 2: He played on a like this idea that Draymond landed

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Speaker 2: he just he would have fell to the way he

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Speaker 1: Sure, I think he would have shown what makes him

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Speaker 2: For sure, I'm not saying to make it the second

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Speaker 2: Wasn't Nico your second round pick? Yes?

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Speaker 1: But again, like like he had, he showed it, like

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Speaker 1: he just kept killing everybody that was in front of

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Speaker 2: You don't play a top ten pick, you're getting a call. Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's still think if you draft a guy who was

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Speaker 2: I'm just going off what i've seen in San Antonio.

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Speaker 1: S Antonio's a special place. These guys are unearthed and

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Speaker 2: They had twenty five minutes Cordeous and the first round

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Speaker 1: No, I'm agreeing with you about San Antonio, but generally

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Speaker 2: Understand, but I feel like if they draft you, they

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Speaker 1: The second round is an undrafted guys.

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Speaker 2: How many picts you get? Now, if you're in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: But if you have one in one, they're like, Yo,

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Speaker 2: Like now, if you draft the guy and let them

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Speaker 2: he makes the rosters. All Right, we're gonna try to

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Speaker 2: see if we can groom him. We're gonna give him

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Speaker 2: opportunity to chance. Twenty ninth, he was in the fresh round,

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Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is the argument you're hearing is

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Speaker 2: And I just completely so that's crazy to me, too extreme.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like and you know, of course Warriors fans like

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Speaker 1: But like this whole thing that Draymond like just straight

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Speaker 2: But then on the other side of it, people are

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Speaker 2: people think he's a bum. He's not a bum by

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Speaker 1: He would have made on the team on Charlotte, like

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Speaker 1: he would have just he wouldn't have been able to

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Speaker 2: That don't make no type of sense whatsoever to me.

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Speaker 1: Like for the worst team, you would he would have

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no. Draymond could play on

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Speaker 2: any team in the NBA. Yes, we have made all

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Speaker 2: Star teams on that's the question.

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Speaker 1: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So now now when you start talking about impact

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Speaker 2: Winner, you know what I'm saying. Does he does he

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Speaker 3: But he's an integral piece that can be on every

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Speaker 2: You're talking about the greatest role player. I always say that,

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Speaker 3: Like, I mean he's not a role player? Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: A role player. There's a reason role player. No, he's

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Speaker 2: Big Three. I think Draymond's a role player. Bro, I

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Speaker 2: No, Romin's not a role player. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like like James Posey was a role player. Yeah, great

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Speaker 2: but that's the reason why I think he's the greatest

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Speaker 1: I can see what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like he stands on his own. It's almost

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Speaker 2: Like is he going to still be a superstar?

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Speaker 1: I think he plays ten to fifteen. I think he

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Speaker 2: For sure, but a superstar. Would you make him a

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Speaker 1: Oh no, he can't be a big three. So it's

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Speaker 2: I'm saying they have LaMelo, Brandon, Miller, Miles, Bridges, Conkupple,

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Speaker 2: and would you consider him part of like he's the

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Speaker 1: I think Draymond when he was.

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Speaker 2: I think a star everywhere he went.

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Speaker 2: a role player, damn Rebounding are different types of role players,

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00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: but robinsop star role player as well. He played to me.

436
00:22:59,520 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: I would.

437
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 1: Can't Rodman a guy who's getting assignment against like a

438
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 1: cal alone like his guard he was.

439
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: He got rebounds. He was a role player.

440
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:07,439
Speaker 1: Bro.

441
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 2: When Mike and Scotti, I think of a role player,

442
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: role player bro, just like Ron was. But Ron Harper,

443
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: these motherfuckers they.

444
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: Had Cuckoach even.

445
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a little disrespectful to say you're just

446
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: playing a role bro. Everybody outside of Mike and Scotty

447
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: was fucking role players. What are you talking about. I'll

448
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 2: tell you what a role player a role player.

449
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what a role player can't do. A

450
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 3: role player can't be late to the flight.

451
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 2: You're not to get left. You're not leaving Dennis Rodman

452
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 2: until he gets to the plane ship. I Seenante West

453
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: hold up planes for what organization Cleveland exactly. It don't matter, bro,

454
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 2: it does matter. Yeah, Lebron Shock was there, rookie, we

455
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 2: waited for dance. It don't matter. Hold up the plane.

456
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 2: Ain't that what motherfucker's being late? Na? You get left?

457
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 2: Get left. I've seen people hold the players role players.

458
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

459
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: On what role players? Any I know said about how

460
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,919
Speaker 2: long ten minutes? Nah, thirty minutes? The hour should Dante?

461
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: We wait an hour? Talk hour, Redla trying to call

462
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: him won't even starter. I don't think it's a start.

463
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my goodness, you're waiting for Draymond to get

464
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: to the fly.

465
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 2: Yes, depend on the organization. For certain people, we're just like,

466
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 2: all right, he'll catch it. Put them on United if

467
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: it's a if it's a if it's a rotational player.

468
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Like you know in twenty sixteen when Draymond missed what

469
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: was the game five that he missed, and people would

470
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 1: be like, man, that that that game five winning men

471
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 1: because Draymond didn't play. You wouldn't say that about Ron

472
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: Harp on the Bulls, that the Bulls didn't win a

473
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: playoff game because Ron Harper missed it.

474
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 2: Exactly. That's what I'm talking about. I'm just saying no

475
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: to say that the game. You'd be like, yo, Tony

476
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: was y know they need they didn't have Tony Cook

477
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,479
Speaker 2: like an intricate part Tony coach. Somebody would say that role.

478
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: But Dennis was a Hall of tam total Hall.

479
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 1: Of Famer makes special exemptions for the foreign dude.

480
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: He was a player, Bro, they got it was the

481
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: name Scotty and Mike was a role player. So if

482
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: you draw up this play in the playoffs for you

483
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: to win the game, you I've got to play running

484
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: for me to the playoffs to win the game, to

485
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:43,120
Speaker 2: win the game, I've taken its win games. Let's pull

486
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: this up. I've taken shots to win. Take first off shot,

487
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 2: take a big shots. There's a lot of games reverse

488
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: give us one dog in the playoffs, just like the

489
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: said playoffs for the win. Orlando. I wasn't first option Orlando.

490
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: He say you on first option? I was. I was

491
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: the first option Orlando, Toronto. Me hit a game on

492
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: against Orlando in the playoffs. Let's let's get this, let's

493
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 2: get this, let's see this right. But again, Bro, I've

494
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: been drawn to run. He believe like Bro. Hold on,

495
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 2: that looked like that was for Carl Lowry.

496
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 3: First Green clutch hold on that was forgot you was

497
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 3: the second option on that Plade.

498
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: Took the ball out look first option. Where game I'm

499
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: talking about what talk that ship? It's a game what

500
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying. But it was on the fly, So it

501
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: wasn't like a time I butt on the fly San Antonio.

502
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: Anytime we needed the three, it was a play, Pop

503
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: will call that ship. And it was against the Lakers.

504
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: I've done in the regular season and even the playoffs

505
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: to tie the game against Golden State. Bro, I was

506
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 2: a role player, and then they might call a play

507
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: for Jerrek Fisher, Robert or He's still a role player.

508
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna pick this back up because I want

509
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: to get into one more fan question. Jordi two hundred

510
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: and fifty six nun Yez wants to know Danny how

511
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 1: did it felt when Ray hit that three in the corner?

512
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: And Paul, will you ever play in the Big Three.

513
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: Let's get to Danny first. Yeah, that shit, it's hard

514
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: to watch still to this day. Bro. Honestly, at the

515
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: time when it happened, I'm trying to remember, like I

516
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: don't in the moment, I don't think I knew Like

517
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: if it was tired or he was still up because

518
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: we have misfree throws. But I was like, damn, I

519
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 2: thought he was down when he hit the three, I

520
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: thought he was down. So my first instinct was like, Yo,

521
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 2: get that bitch out, let's go. We had seven seconds again,

522
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: we bring this shit up all the time. Referee stopped

523
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: the fucking play. They just stopped the play to see

524
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 2: if it was a two or three. Pop starts going

525
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: ape shit on the sideline because he's like, he's telling

526
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: us to go. He's like, if they scored, we going.

527
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 2: They stopped it for them to have a set defense,

528
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: all that type shit. So wasn't it you that Chris

529
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: Bosch blocked in the corner. Yeah, he fouled. I thought

530
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: he found he foiled me.

531
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: Broh, Oh my goodness.

532
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 2: He got the three. I'm like, fuck, what do we do?

533
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, all right, I'm like, let's go, let's get out,

534
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: let's get out of here. And they just stopped to

535
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: play and let them set up like it was pretty

536
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 2: much a time out for them. Seven seconds. Tony, we

537
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: could have been out.

538
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: Crazy sequence of events because the thing that I think

539
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: people forget is that Tony Parker made like two step

540
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: back threes in a row is something crazy like that,

541
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: or at least one step back to the left. When

542
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: Tony Parker was not a three point shooter, that wasn't

543
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: his ministry. So this he made a huge three.

544
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: Man.

545
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: This is so crazy.

546
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: I thought Tony was gonna try to at least contest,

547
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: but I was like, all right, look, five seconds we're

548
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: trying to get that. I'm trying to get that bitch out.

549
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, y, let's go. They stopped playing. They call

550
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: a whistle. I'm like, what's going on. They need to

551
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: look a pop. They need to know if it's focus

552
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: on dude ship after we're going, we're going, Oh my goodness,

553
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm trying to get the bitch out fast. I'm thinking

554
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 2: we have like seven seconds. It was five seconds, but

555
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: we'd have got the bow down the floor, like Tony

556
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: could get that bitch down the floor. Yeah, you would

557
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: have got We would have got a shot off. May

558
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: not have been a great look, but we would have

559
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: got some type of look. Now we gotta set up

560
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 2: against a half court set defense. Take it out on

561
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 2: the side. I get said we went into overtime.

562
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: I think I got Yes, you did go into overtime.

563
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: But I think that last playing regulation was Bosh closing.

564
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 2: It was or it was that overtime because they it

565
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 2: was overtake overtime. Yeah, pe drop finals play for me

566
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 2: to get the shot game finals. They drew up a

567
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: play for me in the corner, uh, to take the

568
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: last three. We was down I think two or three.

569
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't know when it was.

570
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 3: I'm looking at y'all lineup. Y'all had no three points,

571
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: was the only three point shooter and.

572
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Then uh like.

573
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: Every now and again.

574
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he needed some time. Yeah, y'all had no shooting

575
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: back then at the time, it was when heavy three

576
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: points like that, Damn, he was the only shooter. We

577
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: had Gary come with the bench. We had garyt on

578
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: the bench with us. When were rid of Jack, we

579
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: got rid of Jack t Mac. Y'all got rid of Jack.

580
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: That's why y'all lost. But just nice Jack. Jack was good,

581
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: but he was the year before is when he actually

582
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: gave us. But that year he was good too, but

583
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: he was having some off the court troubles with like

584
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 2: him and he was given a pushback, like he wanted

585
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: to play more and it would have took away from

586
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: me and Kawhi like, yeah, he thought he was like

587
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: he was good. But if he was, he was, he

588
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: was solid. He would have gave with somebody like defense, foul,

589
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: like some heart like you know what I'm saying, some edge,

590
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna fox somebody up where you know, probably take

591
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: somebody's heart. But he would have took away if he wanted.

592
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,040
Speaker 2: He was gonna play more minutes, but she wanted. It

593
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: would have took away from me and Kawhi actually like

594
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: hoop and hooping. Yeah, yeah solid. Is this the last place?

595
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: This is the last place. I feel like it might

596
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: it might have been overtime, damn, with the whole full

597
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,239
Speaker 2: seconds we could advance. I don't know. Maybe I think

598
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: he didn't want advance with Tony Bump. He got away

599
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: with a little year. Today's game. They might call it

600
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah, yeah, they had new life. But

601
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 2: the end of overtime is one. Yeah got the look.

602
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: Yeah bro, the crazy game.

603
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: Nah hard to watch, but at the moment, I was like, damn,

604
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: get that bitch out, let's go. Hard to watch. You

605
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: ever playing a Big Three? Though, p asked that was

606
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 2: the second place.

607
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Three, the Big three ice Cube close.

608
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: The Big Three is like when you first retired, like

609
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: your first couple of years, come.

610
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Good as shape and all of that stuff.

611
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 2: Like I've been retired for like eight nine years. I

612
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: might be in there. Wise next next time, I might

613
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 2: be looking at it. They talk to me about it.

614
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: I might, So I play. I mean, I'm playing these

615
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: little How many games is the Big three weekend? I

616
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: think it's like ten so every weekend, once a weekend. Yeah,

617
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 2: on the weekend on Saturday, every Saturday. I asked them, so,

618
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 2: I was like, how much is the travel? How many games?

619
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 2: So in the summertime, since it's drokes like dry season

620
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: for media, like I'll be chilling. I might. I might

621
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 2: do it next summer. We'll see. Yeah, Okay, it's a

622
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: good question. Can you read it? Because if you can

623
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: put yourself on any NBA like any current NBA roster,

624
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 2: where would you place yourself? Yes, I am today? Yeah?

625
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: Or like right when you right when you walk? Can

626
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: help today? I can help a team today, yeah for sure?

627
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 3: Right for I can't help something I can't beyond help.

628
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 3: I can help Orlando. Okay, they need some more shooting. Okay,

629
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna give spot shooting for sure. I

630
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: know I can knock down some shots you know they

631
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: got there has been bang. But then outside of that,

632
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: they shooting is kind of inconsistent.

633
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: I can. I can get you some open wide looks

634
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: and some hard fouls right now. Definitely definitely not Stretch four.

635
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm a stretch for I can give me, give me like, yeah,

636
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: I played like a couple of days a week. It's

637
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: six weeks to get in better shape. If I drop

638
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 3: about like if I could drop fifteen pounds, I'll be straight.

639
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 2: I need like to I've been hooping. So if I

640
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: get like two or three weeks, I could get in like.

641
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: But again, I'll give you about twenty minutes at most,

642
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 2: because then I don want to know I need twelve

643
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: minutes minutes. I can help a couple of teams. You

644
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: just playing solid like plug in like for teams that

645
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: what did you shoot from three career? That's good. I

646
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: think I was asking in your primes though, in your primes,

647
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: what team would you want to right now? It would

648
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 2: be a great Denver. I feel like even Lakers right

649
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 2: now with ye Lucas, like the guys, even Knicks could

650
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 2: use like somebody I'm not eve talking about prime like

651
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: even off the bench, like told my later years, I

652
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: could help the next team, even Cleveland that could use

653
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: some shoot, like Detroit would be a good good spot

654
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: Indiana without last year Indiana's team. I feel like we've

655
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 2: been a good fit. Of course, Okay, so it would

656
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: be easy, but like I feel like there's a lot

657
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: of people that I want to get up in the

658
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 2: for sure. But yeah, definitely fit those groups time All

659
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: Star and small forwards. Antonio, did you not play for

660
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? F on any contender? Yeah?

661
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: Especially you replaced prime Piers with Reeves and we're gonna

662
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 3: win seventy plus games.

663
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: For sure.

664
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to our picks of the night.

665
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: Favorite Picks of the Night presented by Prize Picks.

666
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 2: Mavericks at Lakers. Yeah, so be way more fun if

667
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: everybody's playing. Man, this is weak, bro, do we know

668
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: want you know, Luca gonna get fucking sixty? Oh yeah,

669
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying? Like none of the Opers good,

670
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: I mean Cooper's he had sickness for a second, is.

671
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,720
Speaker 1: Obviously still the time. I'm surprised if Kyrie plays this season.

672
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 2: To be honest, I got the Lakers. The MAVs look

673
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: like yeah.

674
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, we're gonna go with Luca more or

675
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: less than thirty four and a half more.

676
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go less, might double it because I feel

677
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 3: like the Lakers is gonna blow them out.

678
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: He gonna let him. Nah, I don't think it's gonna

679
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: be blocked. And that's in l A. Yeah, they gonna

680
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 2: blow him. I don't think it's gonna be blow yeah, somehow.

681
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: Doubts is always like Daniel Russell is gonna come in

682
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 2: and give like thirty. If you don't stop that, I'm

683
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: saying you, like yo, check Danngel that line. He had

684
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: a couple of thirty bows this season already.

685
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: If you don't stop that against team, you're gonna come in,

686
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 3: who's gonna get thirty?

687
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: D Angel had a couple of thirty point Lakers.

688
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: What they're missing?

689
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 2: Now? Stop disrespecting them. Not disrespecting twenty eight, twenty three.

690
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,399
Speaker 3: Where's the couple of thirties at? I see zero zero

691
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 3: zero at the time, Hold up, I.

692
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: See at the top zero twenty three, eight twelve, five, seven,

693
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: six nine.

694
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: They gonna thirty one against I see a five seven,

695
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: six ten bro against his old team. He's you don't

696
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 3: stop that if you don't stop that, all right, I'll

697
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 3: bet my hundred to I'll give I'll bet.

698
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: Ten to one, one hundred to your ten dollars. Easy,

699
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 2: got money. You guys gonna play hard. They playing against

700
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: the Lakers. They're gonna play hard. One hundred to your twenty, Christy,

701
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be a blow I don't think it's

702
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: gonna be a blowout. So what you said, who go

703
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 2: get what I'm saying, it's gonna be sake, is gonna

704
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 2: play good enough to not get not get blown up?

705
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 2: And I'll give you ten point I'll give you ten points.

706
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Luca's gonna get more. He won't play

707
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: enough minutes to play. He don't get forty. It's gonna

708
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: be a blowout.

709
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: Hooper flagged more or less than nineteen and al say

710
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: he's nothing, he's less For me as well, I'm gonna

711
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: say less.

712
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going less.

713
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: Lebron more or less than eight point five assists less.

714
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go more less. I think he's gonna be

715
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: gonna I just.

716
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Don't think he's gonna be playing that type of role,

717
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 3: whether he's gonna be handling the ball right other night. Yeah,

718
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: but I said I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. I'm

719
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: gonna go less because I think a lot of my

720
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: self responsibilities is going to eighty five for Yeah, I'm going.

721
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: Less, maybe seventy five percent there, but he's not.

722
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: All the way only one by two? Yeah, bro yo,

723
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 2: oh you was in here. We haven't seen six and

724
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: eight mark and then.

725
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: Had a chance to hit the game winner at the end.

726
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: Looking with thirty three. Yeah, I missed that game. Yeah,

727
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 2: less for me? He had eight. He had eight, so

728
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 2: eight and a half so lest who didn't play everybody?

729
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: I think it was just one of those things where

730
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: like it's teetering at the nine eleven point lead and

731
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: then at the end, ch'all just starts making a flurry

732
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: of threes and all of a sudden because the Lakers

733
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: didn't put him away, they were in trouble.

734
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: Do I want to rethink this? He has to get

735
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 2: nine assists. I'm going to a lot of assists it is.

736
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna still say, I'm gonna say more.

737
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: All right, Grizzlies at the Clippers hard and more, okay,

738
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: hard and more or less than twenty four and a

739
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: half he's been.

740
00:38:58,080 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 2: He's been getting that in the first quarters like lately

741
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: seventeen he didn't. He has to score for them to

742
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: be he has to score. Kawi is back. Though, now

743
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: Kawhi is back, I'm going less.

744
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna go less too.

745
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna go more. I think he still has

746
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: to score for Kawhi for him to be in the

747
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 2: In the conversation of winning the game, get them, he

748
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: won't shoot, he'll just turn into assists man. That's like

749
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: second half usually, but usually get Like the last couple

750
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: he'd been seventeen like, he averaged like six fifteen to

751
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: seventeen the first Quartogo, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna look

752
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 2: at assist man Harden on this game. All right.

753
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 1: Well, those are Picks of the Night presented by Prize Picks.

754
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you guys' thoughts on Jersey retiring

755
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: because a few guys have retired recently. Well, Chris Paul

756
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: most prominently announcing his retirement and Michael Irvin had to

757
00:39:52,320 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: take uh saying I know, yes, okay, I mean we

758
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: know what he said, right, So I want to I

759
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: want to hear hear it again. Yeah, yeah, Okay, let's

760
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 1: let's listen to Michael Irving about jerseys being retired.

761
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: Why would you want your jersey retire? I don't understand people.

762
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: When they retire your jersey, they put.

763
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: It in the rafters and the only time they talk

764
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: about it is when you leave time and you go

765
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,919
Speaker 4: to eternity and then.

766
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: You'll pay it off. Came off the game and said,

767
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: we lost Michael back to the game.

768
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 4: But when I put when I leave that jersey, then

769
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 4: I get my flowers that for Sunday. If we kept

770
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 4: the pants, they said that looked like Mike if.

771
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 2: I would have loved that. That stands true because of

772
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: CD Lamb. Let somebody else wear that eighty eight.

773
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing with Dallas. It's only been like Dez

774
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: Bryant CD Lamb, but Irving drew.

775
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: So they don't give it.

776
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: They don't allow certain Yeah, you got to come in

777
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: with a certain level of pedigree.

778
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: I understand that, but again, and most of these guys

779
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: we've lived up to that. That's one organiza. Yeah, you

780
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: can't allow everybody to wear twenty three.

781
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Could you imagine, like guy Michael Jordan's in the Chicago

782
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: Bulls twenty three jersey.

783
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: Like, bro, what, no, you want some bum wearing thirty

784
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: four Kansas or boss? You know what I'm saying? Like,

785
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: I thought my jersey were retired at Kansas. I looked

786
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: up the other day it was somebody wearing it. I

787
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 2: don't know what was going on and the rules are

788
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 2: it comes on. Maybe I didn't give a donation, But.

789
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris Paul is about to retire.

790
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. Like if another way to honor

791
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: the number, asks the player how he wants to be honored.

792
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: It's all right. If the player says, you know, I

793
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: want my number, I'm okay with the best players wear

794
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: my number if they want to wear.

795
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: It, what's all right. So let me ask you about

796
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: this that we're talking about, this retired number. Does Carmelo

797
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: get his number retired?

798
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: And Edinber? I would like to think so. I would

799
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: like to think he should, but he got yosaid, who's

800
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 2: MVP number? Can you retire both? It's kind of.

801
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 1: Crazy, it's kind of crazy.

802
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: So one is eventually going to be retired. They just

803
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 2: got to put Carmelo.

804
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's so awkward.

805
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: Can you retire both? Though nobody's wearing a number of

806
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: a game. By the time that is done, they both.

807
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Again Carmelo forced his way out of town. It was

808
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: an ugly trade demand situation.

809
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 2: Was it that trade? But I don't know if he

810
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: was like yeah, it was like today he's like, I'm

811
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: not playing them, like they.

812
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: Didn't get like Jimmy Butler in Miamia or James in Brooklyn.

813
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: James, James and Phil in Philly more so than Brooklyn.

814
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, he calls a little stink in Brooklyn too, though

815
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: they knew they had, they didn't. They weren't like voluntarily

816
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: getting rid of them.

817
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: What he was he wasn't not an extension.

818
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: Well he got promised one and then dal Moore even

819
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: nig and so he called them. He called them a

820
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: liar in public. I thought that was funny ship I

821
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: ever heard of.

822
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 2: My life ever.

823
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess you're right. It's different for every franchise, right,

824
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: like the Celtics or the Lakers. They can't have the

825
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: same jersey retirement standards as the Wizards, Bobcats, you know,

826
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, he's got even.

827
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: Like even Okaye, like okay, see, like yeah, I see

828
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 2: some greats there. But you know, I think with the

829
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: Warriors is gonna be the guys from the run and.

830
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: Then it's just gonna be.

831
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Like, yo, if you have some Playiggy and Katie.

832
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 1: I think Kad should probably Yeah, should he be retireding?

833
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so too?

834
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely definitely. Did he played like ten years there?

835
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure and one MVP there. Yeah, So regardless

836
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: of how you leave, if you would at MVP in

837
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: that space, you should get retired. So ticket for sure.

838
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 2: Did he get his MVP in Minnesota?

839
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: It was in Minnesota, so he should have his jersey.

840
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: It's just he doesn't have it because him and Glenn

841
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: Taylor had again.

842
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: So REGs make it right there? Yeah, should make it right,

843
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: make it right. I said the same thing I had

844
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: other people debate otherwise, like, yo, if you leave on

845
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: a bad no or bad taste, like you shouldn't have

846
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: up the organization you you don't. You don't automatically get.

847
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: In Jimmy get in Miami retirement after not on the

848
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: pat Ronnie's regime.

849
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: I do you think he deserves to be I don't know,

850
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 2: Like how many years did he played there? Five?

851
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: He went to two finals, twenty you got twenty nineteen,

852
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: he got there twenty nineteen. He left in twenty twenty five.

853
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: That's six years, two finals.

854
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: Quinn toss a bunch of all stars. They do have

855
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: your did in the Raptors.

856
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, mister, mister, this is.

857
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 2: A different standard.

858
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's a different kind of player. But

859
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: to get to Chris Paul, I think he should absolutely

860
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: be a retired Clipper like one hundred jersey.

861
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no other Clippers up in the Raptors. They

862
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: have no jerseys in the Raptors. Clipper, they have no legacy.

863
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: That's a crazy I have no legacy, you have nothing.

864
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean how long has the Cliper has been around?

865
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: The brown for long enough?

866
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: They've been around since.

867
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: No Jersey retires, No, no, whould who you think deserves it?

868
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: My Clippers standards, probably Elton Brand, Elton Brand, probably maybe

869
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: Baron Davis saying Chris Cave CP, but CP and Blake

870
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: Griffin absolutely no Brand Jersey retirement. Yeah, probably DeAndre too.

871
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: And then after that was Alsodden. Kawhi might be if

872
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 2: he's there finished his career there, Kawhi could be there. Yeah.

873
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: I don't know how many YUSPG did, but they won't

874
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: retire Kawas Why not? Why? Because I don't think he made.

875
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 2: He haven't played in the games. And then they didn't

876
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 2: make a deep playoff run.

877
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's never made.

878
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: So if he finished out his career in the next

879
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,479
Speaker 2: three years, that he would have played there like nine,

880
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,800
Speaker 2: like a long time. He get twenty twenty, so he

881
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 2: played there.

882
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 1: Nine years from now. Yeah, but he heard twenty nineteen.

883
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's been hurt a lot there for sure,

884
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 2: and no deep playoff run. They went to the what

885
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: what's the finals? Did they will?

886
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 1: He was, yeah, it was like twenty one. They went

887
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: to the twenty one. They went to the Western Conference Finals.

888
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: They beat Utah in the second round. Kawhi wasn't playing.

889
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't play that yet. This last post he

890
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: heard in the playoffs, but he got her.

891
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 1: Season is the first playoffs that Kawhi finished on the

892
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: floor since the bubble. Yes, which is crazy.

893
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: It's a five year gap in this year.

894
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, I think it was Phoenix.

895
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: Wait, you talked about this past.

896
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: Year he lost to Dallas. Yeah, okay, see yeah, yeah, yeah,

897
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: but the year before that was Dallas.

898
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: It's Chris Paul the New Orleans I guess were they

899
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: even the Pelicans? You know they were the Hornets, the Hornets.

900
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: I guess now his tot time is limbo because damn

901
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: that franchise has changed and the Charlotte Hornets wouldn't now

902
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: under his New Orleans. So yeah, they's burned up Chris

903
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: Paul's Hornets legacy. It's just going in the dust. There's

904
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: no way to put it unless the Pelicans were just like, well,

905
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: we used to be the horn But like, are they

906
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: gonna put up Hornets jersey in there?

907
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: Right? That doesn't even makes sense. You don't see the

908
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: front of it anyway. You just see Paul right with

909
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: the number on the back.

910
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: But would you But he's never put a Pelican's jersey

911
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: on before.

912
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: You know, that's tough. It's weird. That's weird. That's a

913
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: weird like.

914
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: King because he was that's his best years in the NBA.

915
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: Okay, see another Seattle guys should be up there.

916
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: I think Seattle is. I think Seattle has decided, like

917
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: fan base and the former players are like, we're getting

918
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: a team back.

919
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 2: We're calling it the Sonics, and then we will honor

920
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 2: those guys.

921
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no definite for that, But I'm

922
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,399
Speaker 1: starting to think it's gonna have to be I'm it's

923
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: gonna have to be a relocation and.

924
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: Not a weird ras GP's legacy. The Orleans that's crazy

925
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: against again, So see, you've got to wait for a

926
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: team to come back that's the Charlotte or the New Orleans.

927
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: He's just gonna have to be happy with his Clippers

928
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: all time.

929
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: But if they never do it in the Clipperland, they

930
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 2: said nobody has the standard of doing it, I think that.

931
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: Would be a mistake. I think that would be a

932
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 1: mistake on Steve Balmers.

933
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 2: But again, instead, if Kwi finished out there the next

934
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: three years and plays, actually they do play, he plays

935
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 2: the next three years, he is Kawhi a Spurs retiree.

936
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 2: I think definitely Toronto. I think he should be a

937
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 2: Spurs Toronto. He gets a statue. Okay, so statue for

938
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 2: surero So like he did he did the one year, Like, yeah,

939
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 2: one year. That's the greatest one year statue we're ever

940
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: going to see. Yeah, but Spurs they're playing shouts around.

941
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 2: They're playing really well right now. We're not seeing there.

942
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: But he brought one there. They're playing really well right now.

943
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: Year statue, but he was in, he was in San

944
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 2: Antonio for six years? Was it six years? Five or

945
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 2: six years?

946
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: We left his All Stars top three m v P finishes,

947
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: play the Year twice, right defensive played the year twice. Yeah,

948
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: All Stars.

949
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: He didn't leave on a great note, but he deserves

950
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 2: to be in the Yeah. I mean they got they

951
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: got Bruce Bowing up there, big part of the twenty

952
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: fourteen championship, the Raptors. I think he allowed it to

953
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: be taken down when the Marcus got there to wear

954
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: his jersey. Damn, I didn't know Bruce was up there.

955
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: I think I think Bruce is up there.

956
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: Hopefully these guys get honored by these franchises. But I

957
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: will be looking forward to Ticket and Minnesota finally reconcilid

958
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: because it's weird that he hasn't been a big part

959
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: of the Minnesota Timbwolves organization.

960
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: Kevin Love, right, he should be up there too.

961
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Love is one of the greatest Timberwolves of all time.

962
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: That's not even a question.

963
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 2: Oh, you won't retire in your jersey for anybody. Yeah,

964
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: that's the question, retire my jersey. I asked the question right,

965
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: there are there any Celtics players you would like to

966
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 2: see where in your jersey. They retire jersey in twenty eighteen,

967
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 2: was is anybody like from the Celtics you would be like,

968
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: okay with we're in your jersey.

969
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: Like if when they drafted Tatum and Tatum was like, bro,

970
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: I'm really dying with thirty four. He came in with

971
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: a with a good reputation, lottery pick.

972
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: I think, like, you know, it has to be one

973
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 3: of those like guys that you're like, this guy has

974
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: like like I knew just Tatum coming in was gonna

975
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: be a really good player. But likes just certain guys

976
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 3: that coming to the league with this mystique in aura

977
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,759
Speaker 3: like and we only see that once every twenty something years,

978
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: Like we saw with Magic, you saw with Jordan's, you

979
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 3: saw with Lebron, you saw it with Shaq, Like if Shaq,

980
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 3: if Shaq was I need you know what, like Shaq

981
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 3: coming in here and say that, like you see it?

982
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 2: Have you watched it? Have you watched what college? Like

983
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: right now, there's nobody in college that I was No.

984
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: I think those guys look like future All stars and

985
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

986
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 3: But no, there's nobody in college that I've seen in

987
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 3: a long time, like.

988
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: The Celtics would have drafted Wemby and he was like

989
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: thirty four off the rick.

990
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: Let me get that, you can get it. It's a

991
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,800
Speaker 2: price tag with it, but I let it rock that.

992
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: I love that so exactly.

993
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, CP CP three is retiring, and just like on

994
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: his resume, I mean, I don't I don't even think

995
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: there's even an argument that this guy is in the

996
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: first ballot as soon as he comes up.

997
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: All time and.

998
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: All Stars, eleven all NBA selections, nine time All Defensive

999
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: Team selections, Rookie.

1000
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: Of the Year.

1001
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: All times, he's the all time leader in the Cysts.

1002
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:01,319
Speaker 2: No. John Stock was about to say, no, way, oh

1003
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 2: for the season.

1004
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so you won't like to assist crown five times,

1005
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: the Steels crowned six times.

1006
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 2: You know, like, where does he rank among all times

1007
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 2: all time point guards? Now?

1008
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Okay, we got we got to ask ourselves. Are we

1009
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: counting the New age kind of guys like the Hardens,

1010
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: the Lucas, the Shay's. Are we counting them as point

1011
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: guards because they're the facto point guards now? But like

1012
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: these guys are reading, well, I think Steph Curry is

1013
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: more of a point guard in the Chris Paul mode

1014
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:42,479
Speaker 1: like these guys actually guarded each other when.

1015
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 2: They like its magic Steph and then after that as

1016
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 2: a CP or is it somebody Isaiah Isaiah?

1017
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people will say because he won two championships,

1018
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: big oh, I mean Russ, Yeah I don't. Yeah, I

1019
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: think Chris paul is like he's he's, you know, in

1020
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: the elite mold of the guys that I grew up

1021
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: watching in terms of Stockton and j K and yeah,

1022
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, like he's in that.

1023
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 2: Went MVP. So I'll put them top five, But I

1024
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: don't know about top three because like those other guys

1025
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: like Nash got a couple of MVP. Kid, he didn't

1026
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: get m VY finished second.

1027
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: He came damn close the second Dominance two thousand and four,

1028
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: I believe, but it's easy to forget like CPS prop

1029
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: like he was just an incredible player. He didn't hast championship,

1030
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: never got one, but like you got him j K,

1031
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I do, Yeah, I do, because he could shoot.

1032
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,919
Speaker 2: J K became a shooter toward the end of his career.

1033
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: Spot up.

1034
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: Open. Still what are we talking about? What are we

1035
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 2: talking about?

1036
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 3: Because only because he can shoot better, he's a bet

1037
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 3: like he's better. He's impacted winning more than J Kidd.

1038
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I think so, man.

1039
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: I do I think the best of Chris Paul is

1040
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: better than the best of Jay Kids?

1041
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it.

1042
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's like he's way better than him.

1043
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: What about Steve Nash? The best of Steve?

1044
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: I think the best of Steve Nash? I think that's

1045
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: a conversation with Chris Paul. And I think he's just

1046
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 1: definitely like just offensive.

1047
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: Master back MVPs.

1048
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, with the league, you had Kobe Shack, Duncan Garnett

1049
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 3: in the League the Whiskey, Yeah, he won back to back.

1050
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, and like the Sons were winning him.

1051
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: They had a good team. It's not like they were

1052
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,840
Speaker 1: bombs or any like he was playing with bombs.

1053
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: I'm going damn Finals appearance, All Star Jesus J Kidd

1054
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 3: nine All defensive teams to assist titles five Damn.

1055
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: J Kid not won steals titles, but he was a

1056
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: really fucking good defender.

1057
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I hold Jake and high. I feel

1058
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 2: like I got JKD in my top five too. Honestly,

1059
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: how much does that championship? Wait, damn, I mean it was.

1060
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 2: It was as much as it weighs, but like it

1061
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 2: was at the end of his career.

1062
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: But that just shows you his greatness that he could

1063
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: turn himself into a must have role player fifteen years,

1064
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: sixteen years into his career glue guy prominently. He was

1065
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: integral to that Dallas Mavericks team.

1066
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got CP in top five, but not not

1067
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: top three, though I think it's a little top to

1068
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: put the top three. There was another part of that question.

1069
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 2: I feel like it was, I guess favorite memory of

1070
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 2: story you play with? You got you play with Chris

1071
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 2: CP and I like a little bit when he was

1072
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: a Clippers. Yeah, I was, I was, I was there.

1073
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: I showed up.

1074
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait year to the Clippers sixteen seventeen. I was

1075
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 3: done after why Washington, I left Washington. I came home

1076
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 3: and I was playing coach God pretty much.

1077
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 2: Kick, it's your favorite story time.

1078
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: With CP three yelling at you when you guys play together.

1079
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: That's his reputation that he yells at people. That's kind

1080
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: of like the knock on CP.

1081
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: He's like old school players.

1082
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: He's like he really like like gnaws at people and

1083
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: people get kind of like tied. That's the kind of like, yo, like.

1084
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: We get it, bro. You know, man, he is a

1085
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: one of the craftiest fucking guys I've seen.

1086
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 3: But I would say this though he's the best. He

1087
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: has the best hands I've ever seen, Like just watching

1088
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 3: how he gets steals. He gets his hands on everything.

1089
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: I was like this Vicinity offense.

1090
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 2: He's good with fuck it like he was one of

1091
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: the first guys to like fuck you up while he's

1092
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he knew how to

1093
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 2: manu relate the game, you mean, like the off you know,

1094
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 2: how to manipulate the game. He was very crafty bro,

1095
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: and the be to score. And he also hit big

1096
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: shot like he was always going to hit a big shot, bro.

1097
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of games he would just try

1098
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 2: to score even weird off balanced three points. He'll hit

1099
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: up like were you were you.

1100
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: Still on the Spurs that series where the Clippers finally

1101
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: got out the first round, that was like a seven

1102
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: game series.

1103
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 2: Damn. He hit the floor, hit that float off the glass,

1104
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: got to that right hand. I got there, he pushed

1105
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 2: me off. He got that fucking float over. Timmy. There

1106
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 2: was a white to his right was double high as

1107
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 2: screen with DeAndre and Blake and I'm like trying to see.

1108
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 2: So I got up there. He's fat. Some of the

1109
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 2: you ain't gonna stop just going where they want to go.

1110
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: You getting to the right, but he not that. I

1111
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 2: wasn't like he blew by me. I got back and

1112
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 2: recovered in front of him, but he pushed off. He

1113
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: got that push off and it kind of pushed me

1114
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 2: into Timmy where Timmy couldn't really block a shot, and

1115
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: he shot the float over Timmy. I don't know if

1116
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 2: you could pull the clip up or not. But and

1117
00:59:00,200 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: that was the great They were supposed to go to

1118
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals as serious. Somebody got hurt the

1119
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: next it was up three to one on he I

1120
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 2: think it was Houston and they lost that series. The

1121
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: following year, I think it was Houston. Yeah, it was

1122
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: against Yeah, yeah, yeah, Game seven, fucking I think they

1123
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: said that we gotta get a YouTube premium. He lost

1124
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: the there was was it Houston? It was down there

1125
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: was up three to one on and because Doc lost

1126
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 2: the three one lead, it was I think it was Houston.

1127
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: I don't Josh Smith and them. Yeah it was Josh

1128
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: Smith and No.

1129
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody was hurt for that series. I

1130
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: think somebody, I think either him or Blake got hurt

1131
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: in the next round. Damn, that's a tough shot.

1132
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, Jesus Blake almost fucking himself up.

1133
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: This was twenty fifteen year, right after y'all won the championship.

1134
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: Right through one. It was a it was a two

1135
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: verse seven. We had lost. The standings were so fucking

1136
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: tight that we was a two seed. We lost our

1137
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: last game of the season, dropping the seven. All the

1138
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:06,120
Speaker 2: teams was that close. Wow? Yeah. And then when this

1139
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: should have been a Western Conference finals matchup and it

1140
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: would be in the first round matchup. Wait a minute,

1141
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 2: there was no screen. Then you said there was a

1142
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: double screen. No, got be right. You supposed to You're

1143
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,479
Speaker 2: supposed to shield him to his left. I had the body,

1144
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 2: I said, some of you ain't gonna stop going with

1145
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 2: it going. You don't even try to stop him from

1146
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 2: going right. You gave him the right. Look, I don't

1147
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: get him the right, it's crazy. Gave him you see what,

1148
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 2: just go right? He going to the teeth of the

1149
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 2: defense man. I may picked him up too high, but

1150
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: I had that's what he didn't give him thinking he

1151
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: called me up. I didnt think he's gonna go that

1152
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 2: early one. But it's one second na four seconds when

1153
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: he finished. A lot of guys, you go a little

1154
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 2: bit later. You go at it. Yeah, you got.

1155
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 3: You right when you get it, you go to give

1156
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: yourself an offensive rebound chance. Everybody knows that you go

1157
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 3: at it.

1158
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 2: Got again. He's making it seem like I got blown by.

1159
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 2: You got blown by. You got blow on the side

1160
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 2: of the whole way. I got pushed into the paint.

1161
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: I get blown by, get pushed into the paint. That

1162
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: looked like that makes no sense. You just got what

1163
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: are looking at right, definitily blown by. I see the

1164
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 2: guy's jersey that's blown by by him right off? He

1165
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: pushed off. Right, you get pushed off, you get blown by.

1166
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 2: Created right here he got to his spot in the

1167
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 2: whole way, so you put if you see the bottom angle,

1168
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 2: you see it was all downhill. It was again yea,

1169
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 2: And it was like, I was like, I know that

1170
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 2: was they said that nah I talked to It might

1171
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: have been like a couple of people. Bruce Bowe was

1172
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: one of the guys. He's like, y me. I was like,

1173
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: I know, I climbed up into him. But again CP

1174
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 2: wasn't fucking slow. Certain niggas, you're just not gonna stop

1175
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: them getting to their hand like so, and I was

1176
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 2: quick enough at that time.

1177
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 3: The thing is like like like you're five six inches

1178
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: taller than so, Yeah, you're supposed to back off and

1179
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 3: give him some spade. But they had us and you're

1180
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 3: supposed to force one way. Absolutely that that was that

1181
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 3: should have been what he did. So forced one way

1182
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 3: and stay tall. If it's a pick, either fight over

1183
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 3: it with Blake or y'all switching with Tim.

1184
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what. So what I was saying the

1185
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 2: double screen, that's why they had me picking up so high,

1186
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 2: so me get them that hot. I'm vulnerable in the

1187
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: sense where this nigga could run anywhere. Yea. Even if

1188
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 2: I to force him away, it's going to be a

1189
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 2: straight line. Like so imagine trying to force CP left

1190
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: like this CP is not effect this effect of going

1191
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 2: left maybe not, but again that is going right. You

1192
01:02:57,640 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: have to make him go left because he's still gonna

1193
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: go right. You have to give him a straight line

1194
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: left and he could go that. It's still with his

1195
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 2: right hand like like we was doing that where he

1196
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,439
Speaker 2: was he was forcing him left he was still going

1197
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 2: straight down to pick and roll like and crossed like

1198
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: he would still get back to his right with a

1199
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 2: like a snake drib or something, but it would give

1200
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 2: him such a ling. Was a hard guy to deal with.

1201
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 2: It's not no fucking bump.

1202
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: You want no bum, said, He's the first ball I was.

1203
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 2: Able to like still recover something and try to use

1204
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: like length. But Timmy was there. He he did a

1205
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 2: tough shot and that was one of that. I was like,

1206
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: fuck when I got was like damn, like if I

1207
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 2: was going to get into my shut to him earlier, I.

1208
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 3: Tried to part of some devastated losses bro trying to

1209
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: like I'm looking at a couple of the losses were

1210
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 3: devastating like that, that's like stuff you can't get over.

1211
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: So all, my guest twenty thirteen was like.

1212
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 2: All my games something except for one has been decided

1213
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 2: by a game of the shot, so quiet. We won

1214
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 2: one with quiet man, That's what I'm saying. You didn't

1215
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: play in the part of both sides. Yeah, so I've

1216
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: been a part and the other game seven we just

1217
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: beat Dallas like only been a part of like maybe

1218
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 2: for maybe more than I ever lost the playoff Game

1219
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: one game everyone was decided by.

1220
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: It's heart break puzz Yeah, that guy.

1221
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if I lost, we had a chance. No,

1222
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't know what we did after that. But game

1223
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 2: at the Buzzer, Yeah, that's hard. Yeah, the game that

1224
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 2: was Game six though with Miami. Yeah, you can't sleep.

1225
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: You didn't sleep, So that game six is part We

1226
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: actually played really good Game seven. I think some one

1227
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,439
Speaker 2: of them got.

1228
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: High Mike mill Game seven was in Miami, yeah, because.

1229
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: It was two three to that. But they changed in

1230
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 2: the format after that series because they can play it.

1231
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 2: Because we won game one, we stole one from them

1232
01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 2: and then went back to San Antonio for three. They

1233
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 2: were like, no, the any to change this format. We

1234
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 2: ended up going back to Miami. They ended up said

1235
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: that was game six. But yeah, the game sevens Yeah,

1236
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 2: that game was over.

1237
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: It's crazy. So we spent a lot of time speaking

1238
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: on point guards and rankings and CP three and where

1239
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: does he stack up? And I don't think there's any

1240
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:55,600
Speaker 1: doubt that CP three is absolutely in our minds album

1241
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: when we think about the definition of a point guard,

1242
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: like who classically fits that classic mold? But Rajon Rondo

1243
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: went on all the Smoke recently and talked about the

1244
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: death of the point guard position. Let's play the clip.

1245
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: Patino said this, the point is totally done in basketball.

1246
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: The days of John stopped at the long gone. There

1247
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: are no more point guards. Do you think you can

1248
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: win it without without someone who's really running the point?

1249
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: The Thunder just did it, I believe.

1250
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 5: But for me, I think it's the level of the

1251
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 5: IQ of the team overall, and then a lot of

1252
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 5: teams don't have the IQ of the Thunder organization or

1253
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 5: like the Houston Rockets, you know, with u Doku, I

1254
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 5: think it's I think it's primarily with him, how he's

1255
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 5: allowing guys and how they're able to understand the extut

1256
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 5: game plan because a lot of teams that I'm watching

1257
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,040
Speaker 5: to seeing what I'm doing, I'm watching the films like

1258
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 5: they need a point guard. They need someone to you know,

1259
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 5: run the show and off even like the game win.

1260
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 5: I believe when the Thunder and Houston play, you know,

1261
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 5: you need a point guard. Like a Kin touched the

1262
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 5: ball so I know I'm in the game, and Kje

1263
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:03,440
Speaker 5: toesch the ball and eight possessions, like.

1264
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 2: You need a point guard. So it's like a coach

1265
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 2: can only do so much.

1266
01:06:06,600 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 5: You're managing so many different things, and a point guard

1267
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 5: is the extension of the coach on the floor.

1268
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 2: So it's like when you're not executing.

1269
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 5: When you don't when you come down and run two

1270
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 5: sets in a row and then the third time you

1271
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 5: try to go away from it.

1272
01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,439
Speaker 2: A point guard in the stands to win and where

1273
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 2: it gets the ball? Yeah, fair points, man. I think

1274
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: all of that stuff is still important. I think it's

1275
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: very important. But like, who is to blame that is it?

1276
01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: I think you don't think they.

1277
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 6: I think nowadays driving the guys, if you're not scoring,

1278
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 6: they're not exactly if you're gonna hold the ball as

1279
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 6: much as a point guard has to in today's game,

1280
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 6: you have to be a threat to score.

1281
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, if you're going to have the ball that much,

1282
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: you have to be a threat to score for sure.

1283
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 2: So what is your threat to score? You don't have

1284
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 2: to be an ICEOA guy. You don't have to be

1285
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: a pick and roll guy. You can be.

1286
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: It has to be something shoot the ball, yes, or

1287
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 1: like a John Morint, like you're always a threat to

1288
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: get into the to the paint, and you know, second

1289
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: defender scram But I don't.

1290
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,120
Speaker 2: Think they get looked at unless they're scoring. You know

1291
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I don't think they get looked at

1292
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,800
Speaker 2: unless they're scoring like that, unless you're a combo. Well,

1293
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: true point guard got to the finals this year last year,

1294
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 2: well Rondo said, is not a true point guards a Scoreburton.

1295
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: It's a true point guard.

1296
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: But Halliburton is a threat to score.

1297
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 2: Not that, but he's like a passer he is.

1298
01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: But like I saw a clip the other day if

1299
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: somebody was talking to Eric Snow and Eric Snow said

1300
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: he didn't even try to take threes in the off seasons.

1301
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: That just wasn't This guy had a long ass career.

1302
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I didn't even put three pointers up.

1303
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 2: I mean that was the game back then. It was

1304
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It's just now you've got

1305
01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 2: to be able to shoot the three, but some you

1306
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 2: have to.

1307
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 1: Pose a threat.

1308
01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which question? What makes a true point gu

1309
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Do you agree? So?

1310
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: I think I did say, do you agree with?

1311
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 2: Okay? Sorry? All right? One? Two? Three?

1312
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: So do you agree with Rondo and Rick Patino?

1313
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: I do? I think it's a travisty. Honestly, I feel

1314
01:08:11,560 --> 01:08:16,600
Speaker 2: like we need more of those guys recruited, Like, I

1315
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:18,839
Speaker 2: don't see a bunch of them. I think we you know, Carolina,

1316
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: we had Elliott Kudou like he was a past first guy.

1317
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: We had Kendall Marshall peer, but you just don't see

1318
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,800
Speaker 2: much of those anymore. Pitch ahead like fine guys set

1319
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 2: the table. Again, those guys were considered non shooters, right,

1320
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: they couldn't shoot. But if you had a guy like

1321
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: that that could shoot, I think you could be very

1322
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 2: valuable to a lot of groups in the league. But

1323
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,760
Speaker 2: again I'm not a gym. Who's to say is what

1324
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 2: is that what they're looking for? Or are they looking

1325
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: for somebody that can be a shay Or it can

1326
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 2: be like we need a point guard that's like Luca

1327
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: he has to score thirty forty two but also get assists.

1328
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 2: We need a system guy, James Harden. He is the system.

1329
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 2: I think there's you can have a world like we

1330
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:00,960
Speaker 2: could have both. Think it's the world we can have both.

1331
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 3: I mean, the point guard is don't exist no more.

1332
01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: Why you think on the All Star Baller it doesn't

1333
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 3: say point guard, it says guard. Yeah, you know, it

1334
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 3: says forward. It's just like the death of the center

1335
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 3: is gone. Like there's no posting up, there's no past

1336
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:18,080
Speaker 3: first point guards. The game has changed though, that's just

1337
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 3: what it is. I mean, we're seeing the game evolved.

1338
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 3: The point guard as we know it is now the

1339
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 3: shooting guard playing the point guard, you know what I'm saying.

1340
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,920
Speaker 3: And now the center is domn near like the plays

1341
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 3: like the small forward, you know, And that's just the

1342
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 3: way the game is.

1343
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 2: So what makes a true point guard?

1344
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 3: The true point guard? The red defined Steph is the

1345
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 3: true point guard of this generation, a guy who can

1346
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 3: get buckets because of this generation, but.

1347
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: Of the old generation, what is this?

1348
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 3: It was a past first player who got you to

1349
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 3: the offense, who got you into the sads. But we

1350
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 3: know offenses and offensive systems are pretty much not existing.

1351
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: If you you pretty much go into a picker roll,

1352
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 3: get the switch and everybody goes one on one, you know,

1353
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 3: like there's no like, oh that system is like they're

1354
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 3: running that the triangle or or the flex or you

1355
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, or the down screen. Yeah, you

1356
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, those systems.

1357
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: It's Tyri is the only true point guard left in

1358
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 2: the league. He would it's like him and James Harden. Okay,

1359
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 2: James got to put up a lot of shots. Yeah,

1360
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 2: but he's he's more of a point guard. I'm trying

1361
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: to think of like anybody. You know, we watch Phoenix

1362
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 2: who's playing at Gillespie. Is he a pass first guy?

1363
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 2: You think no, And he's not.

1364
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: He's not the one that's orchestrating the offense. It's gonna

1365
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: be Booker who's orchestrating it. We're not calling him the

1366
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: point guard, but like they just decided that again, if

1367
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: you're going to have the ball all the time, you

1368
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: need to be a threat. And I think even in

1369
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,200
Speaker 1: the past, all of the best point guards with threats

1370
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 1: to score.

1371
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 2: All of the top guys, whether that be Magic, whether that.

1372
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: Be stocked In, Isaiah J. Kidd, Gary Payton, all of

1373
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:08,080
Speaker 1: the best guys could score. Yeah, there's just no room

1374
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: in the league for a guy to be like yo,

1375
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: he's gonna run my offense, and the defense has to

1376
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 1: pay him no respect in terms of being a threat

1377
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: to shoot because he's just like yo, I need to

1378
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: I need to put the defense under pressure.

1379
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 2: For sure, you know what I mean. Again, I'm trying

1380
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: to think of the names. There's only people that come

1381
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 2: to mind, says Tyres And said, I played with Tyas Jones.

1382
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 2: He hasn't played much Like Sherman Douglas.

1383
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: He's not he's not playing in the league. He's not

1384
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: playing in our league today.

1385
01:11:36,920 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 2: You don't know. I don't even watch many games, c Bro.

1386
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 2: He was he was.

1387
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: He was with Rondo is describing, get you into the offense, organize,

1388
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: shout it out.

1389
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:51,679
Speaker 2: He played with the Celtics.

1390
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1391
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: But he just he wouldn't play. But like Dana.

1392
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: Barrows, he would play today. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

1393
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: Like I think because even j Kid, who's known as

1394
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: the you know, he's the ultimate past first point guard

1395
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,560
Speaker 1: when he was at his prime, he's killing you in

1396
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: transition and even the half he's bigger than most of

1397
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: the guys trying to guard him post and he's getting.

1398
01:12:20,040 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 2: To the rack. Threat just freaky. Rondo was so good, bro,

1399
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 2: I mean, he was threat to score. Know Tom like

1400
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: he was known as like a non shooting he still

1401
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: could score. He could score.

1402
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: Now, Ricky Rubio why his ship didn't work because he

1403
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: couldn't score.

1404
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 2: Ricky Rubio worked. Ricky Rubio worked. Rocky Rubio was very

1405
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 2: good bro. He played a long time in the NBA.

1406
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: He had a good career. He was solid. We need

1407
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 2: more Ricky Rubio is in the league. He was the

1408
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: third pick because he can score. Yeah, there's a lot

1409
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: of guys that were high picks in the draft that

1410
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 2: didn't do what Ricky Rubio did. That's fair. I thought,

1411
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: you know, he had good years in Phoenix, Minnesota. Like

1412
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 2: he had team. He elevated teams to play with.

1413
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 3: I think people expected a lot more from I think

1414
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 3: so to like his hip coming in what he played.

1415
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 2: His coming was Spanish next fifteen years old expected he

1416
01:13:18,040 --> 01:13:20,400
Speaker 2: was like a look of figure in his day. Yeah,

1417
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 2: in terms of like yeah, row and nobody score though,

1418
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:25,640
Speaker 2: they was gonna one of the best. I didn't know

1419
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,080
Speaker 2: what he was, but I heard the name everybody. Yeah,

1420
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 2: he had a crazy buzz. He had a crazy buzz

1421
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: and the reason he did every lottery lottery pick at

1422
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 2: the time special buzz. Danny had a different buzz. But

1423
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,479
Speaker 2: at the time social media wasn't as big back then, right,

1424
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 2: So anybody that was somebody was buzzed way more than

1425
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 2: what they are today. Maybe, So any lot of your pick,

1426
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: you think about it, fucking Johnny Flynn like guys that

1427
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 2: were in that even Brendan Jennings. All those guys, they

1428
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: were in my draft. So I remember these motherfuckers. They're

1429
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: all in my draft. Yeah, they all had a buzz,

1430
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 2: not like Ruby, Ruby is different he was. They all

1431
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 2: had Rubio. He heard all these names.

1432
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: You're saying his name when he was like fifteen years old,

1433
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: which was unheard of.

1434
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 2: Ricky Rubo Buzz was a lot.

1435
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,360
Speaker 1: Two thousand and eight, he was on that Spain team

1436
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: starting that almost beat the Redeemed team.

1437
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 2: Like they was looking like they he was looking like

1438
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: a child prodgy. Yeah for real. They played and then

1439
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 2: he just came in and I've had a lot of buzz.

1440
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 2: He was a second round pick and he's still killed

1441
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: in the summertime Patty Mills had I'm saying some drinks buzz.

1442
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 2: They thought he was one of those guys he killed

1443
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: in the summertime bus when you were a child, not

1444
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 2: Ricky Rubio Buzz saying when you were a child playing

1445
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:57,719
Speaker 2: against grown men, that's not normal. He was like, no team,

1446
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,160
Speaker 2: starting on that team. A lot of those kids at

1447
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: the fifteen no, not not not, like where do you

1448
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 2: get like playing the fifteen years energy.

1449
01:15:10,120 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 3: Though, like they like Luca and Rubyo bro Luca went

1450
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: and we had a lot of buzz of the of

1451
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 3: the Euro.

1452
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: But they still had buzz that's never happened before.

1453
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: Like like Luca was the he was Ricky Rubio afterwards.

1454
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky had a good career, got a good lived

1455
01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 2: that I don't know what kind of hot I didn't have.

1456
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 2: I feel like his expectation was to be a passing

1457
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 2: good point guard. He lived up. They picked him over

1458
01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:40,639
Speaker 2: Steph Curry. Yeah, a lot of people picked over step

1459
01:15:41,160 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Not point guards. There was a point guards.

1460
01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 2: Johnny Film was drafted. Guys drafted in front Steph Curry

1461
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 2: that guards. Minnesota took three of them. That was bad.

1462
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,560
Speaker 2: That was bad. It happens. That was a mistake. A

1463
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 2: lot of hing to be was our second round pick,

1464
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 2: our second pick into the draft. That's damn what I'm saying, Like, no, no,

1465
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 2: I hear you.

1466
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 1: My overall point again is like the guys that end

1467
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 1: up not living up to what you think they should be.

1468
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: Who are point guards of note? Of guys who can't score?

1469
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 1: And the league is just like why would I play

1470
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: a guy who's not a threat, whether that be as

1471
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: a spot up spacer or a threat with the actual ball,

1472
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: just because he can organize an offense. They just they've

1473
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:29,560
Speaker 1: just gone completely away from that.

1474
01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 2: I thought Ricky was valuable. Bro. Maybe I'm tripping.

1475
01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 1: Ricky Rubio might be your Draymond Green.

1476
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: He signed different. I can't even tell you where Ricky

1477
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,479
Speaker 2: Rubyo was at his best. What team he played with,

1478
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 2: minnesot Minnesota stint, Yeah, Minnesota he had was that his

1479
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 2: best play? Sign a couple of contracts, Like, he signed

1480
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 2: a couple of contracts. Get it play and I'm not

1481
01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 2: talking like minimum controls.

1482
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,280
Speaker 3: Rick Ruby was never considered one of the top five

1483
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 3: or ten point guards.

1484
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 2: In the league.

1485
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:09,680
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty two.

1486
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:10,679
Speaker 2: Damn.

1487
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 1: His last real season was that last Wolf stint where

1488
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 1: he played sixty eight games. That was twenty one.

1489
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,000
Speaker 2: He peaked at thirteen and eight for the Science one

1490
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: year and they got rid of them. Like, what's going

1491
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: on here? Where did he? Where did he peak? He's

1492
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: never been a scoring guy. What I'm saying, I say

1493
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:39,560
Speaker 2: thirteen and eight. He got eight assists. He was a

1494
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 2: good role player, saw a lot of years of eight

1495
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 2: and nine assists. Could play man, but it was solid role.

1496
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 1: I think people were rightly disappointed, and I think based.

1497
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 2: On his best years because he played he came in

1498
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,599
Speaker 2: nine six more years.

1499
01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: What they saying on Basketball Reference.

1500
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 2: Y.

1501
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 3: Yah, we got what is he just retired two years ago?

1502
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: All the way too far, bro, he played a long time, yeah,

1503
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 3: eleven years?

1504
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeh. Shots the Ricky Rubio man, I feel like he's

1505
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 2: he's a real true point guard to me, a true

1506
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 2: point He could shoot obviously been a lot better. It

1507
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 2: would have worked out, But I feel like teams need

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01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 2: more of that than fucking trying to find. You rather

1509
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: have a Ricky Rubio than a Colin Sexton. Yes, I

1510
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: think the NBA is like Nah, Colins maybe around a

1511
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,080
Speaker 2: lot bro, No, he has and teams have been like,

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01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 2: I think Ricky brings more to a winning than what

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01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:54,879
Speaker 2: Colin Like Colin. You put Colin in the same category

1514
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:58,719
Speaker 2: as like a Jordan Clarkson. He's the score, the scoring

1515
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 2: gagger guard. But they just go to school. What I'm saying,

1516
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,000
Speaker 2: scorelea like the scores.

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01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 1: It's just more of those guys than Rubios and Eric snow.

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01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,760
Speaker 2: They want to see more scoring, but I said, I

1519
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 2: think it's more if you want to win I think

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:14,840
Speaker 2: it's more valuable half, Like he's not this error. He

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01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 2: can't play Rubio. He would have to.

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 1: He certainly would have had to immediately got his jumper

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01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:22,639
Speaker 1: to like thirty five.

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01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 2: The teams to have guys that don't shoot that well,

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01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: they don't play. He played around some shooters. You put

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01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 2: Ricky on the team full the shooters. He could play no,

1527
01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 2: because even he hated going to the basket, Josh trying

1528
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:38,920
Speaker 2: to score. Josh Getty is a six eight modern day.

1529
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:42,400
Speaker 1: And Giddy's already making his threes.

1530
01:19:42,479 --> 01:19:45,360
Speaker 2: Any six just started making tough again. He's a six

1531
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 2: eighth version of Ricky.

1532
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: But that's different, like when you got size and you

1533
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,040
Speaker 1: candle it. That makes you a way different type of threat.

1534
01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 2: A six seven shooters, A six.

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01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 1: Two shooter, Yeah, I mean non six two non shooter

1536
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: and six this is not the same the guys that.

1537
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: It's just you just can do more stuff.

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01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: One guy.

1539
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, even my guy, best to tell fit

1540
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:12,240
Speaker 1: they got him back in the damn projects. His career

1541
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 1: didn't work out because he couldn't shoot, and he had

1542
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 1: all the fucking.

1543
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:24,560
Speaker 3: Handle fast Ruby talent wise, like probably his career that

1544
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 3: rick had talent wise, he was better.

1545
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he couldn't shoot and that he had that's why. Yeah,

1546
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 2: he had that to like. That was more so they

1547
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 2: had gun charge all stupid. But he might have had

1548
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 2: a longer career. He's back in the project because he

1549
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:44,439
Speaker 2: just didn't make good decisions with with the bread. But yeah,

1550
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 2: good confo, bro, great convo.

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01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 1: This was amazing. That's our show for today.

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