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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and
Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, November eighteenth, twenty nineteen, Season
Speaker 1: forty five, episode number eighty four. Welcome to another edition
Speaker 1: of The Break. We are live from the s WBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios at the Star coming off a Cowboys win,
Speaker 1: Cowboys beating Detroit Lions in Detroit. They moved to a
Speaker 1: record of six and four in the lead in the
Speaker 1: NFC East. And we're gonna break down for you guys
Speaker 1: what happened in that game yesterday. There were lots of
Speaker 1: moments in that game, lots of ebbs and flows, and
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of storylines that come out of that game.
Speaker 1: And to me, there's really no bigger storyline than Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: So I'll start right there with you for you guys,
Speaker 1: he was twenty nine to forty six sixty three completion rate,
Speaker 1: completion percentage. Sorry, he was had four hundred and forty
Speaker 1: four yards of passing, three touchdowns, one hundred and sixteen
Speaker 1: point six quarterback rating. Man, it's pretty freaking good. Nick.
Speaker 1: After the game, though, you made the comment there on
Speaker 1: the sideline, did miss a couple throws? No? No, No,
Speaker 1: that's not really what I was trying to say. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: Well I wanted I wanted to talk about it because
Speaker 1: I actually agree with you. There were a couple of
Speaker 1: throws he missed, but I didn't think they were necessarily
Speaker 1: a big deal. But let's talk. No, I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to I was only trying to see if this was
Speaker 1: the best game he's ever played, got it? And so
Speaker 1: I was like, did he Am I missing something here?
Speaker 1: Did he you know, seventeen in completions but they threw
Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, I'm like, but I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that they went to beat the Lions. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that he's doing things that are that he's kind
Speaker 1: of the guy that's and I even wrote maybe he's
Speaker 1: the straw that stirred this drink. So now because he's
Speaker 1: starting to do things even though they're trying to take
Speaker 1: away his weapons and he had a great game. Estray
Speaker 1: I thought, I thought he played phenomenal. He made it
Speaker 1: rain on them bros. You know everyone gets that because
Speaker 1: not everyone knows his name. It's true. His name's rain
Speaker 1: Dakota Prescott. I would hope you know that if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan listening to this show in twenty nineteen. Man,
Speaker 1: he was. He was really impressive. And it's funny. I
Speaker 1: always say it like it's dumb until they come to
Speaker 1: that conclusion and then it's smart. Like last week, it
Speaker 1: was like, well, you want to stay balanced. We did
Speaker 1: make some adjustments, we threw the ball forty sixth time
Speaker 1: in the game, but you still want to try to
Speaker 1: run and establish the run. And then after the game yesterday,
Speaker 1: I was like, well, why would you go away from
Speaker 1: something that's working. Of course we're gonna throw the ball
Speaker 1: like that's what we're gonna do, and why wouldn't Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, why wouldn't you? I wish they had come
Speaker 1: to that conclusion in the week before, But everything was
Speaker 1: working for dak Yeah, Tavon Austin bailed him out. He
Speaker 1: had ball inexplicably go through Darius Slay's hands. But them's
Speaker 1: the breaks. He is playing out of his mind. If
Speaker 1: the Cowboys had beaten the Jets, I think he'd be
Speaker 1: right up there with Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson in
Speaker 1: terms of MVP conversation, like it was a nationally televised
Speaker 1: flop of a game and rightful, I mean, there's six
Speaker 1: and four. I'm not and again people love to jump
Speaker 1: to conclusions. I'm not saying he should win the MVP
Speaker 1: because I think Lamar Jackson and Russell Wilson have both
Speaker 1: out played him to this point. He would be much
Speaker 1: more a part of the conversation if the Cowboys resume
Speaker 1: was just a little bit better and highlighted by this
Speaker 1: game right here. I know the Lions aren't super impressive defensively,
Speaker 1: but that's impressive no matter who you're playing, right You
Speaker 1: Know what's really exciting to me is in the past,
Speaker 1: when we talked about Dak Prescot, we talked about him
Speaker 1: needing that talented player to make him look better or
Speaker 1: to help him out. He couldn't be just an average guy.
Speaker 1: And I'm just saying the White Sievers are average or
Speaker 1: anything like that. They're better than average at this point.
Speaker 1: I think based on what we've seen, but the fact
Speaker 1: that Dak has been able to play like that with
Speaker 1: so many different targets rather than him having to lean
Speaker 1: on one person, which is Amari Cooper. You see him
Speaker 1: just throwing the ball all to so many different guys.
Speaker 1: So that's exciting to see from him, and at the
Speaker 1: point that he's at in his career as a quarterback
Speaker 1: as we look to move forward in the future with him.
Speaker 1: That's actually a great point because it's not just even
Speaker 1: about Amari. Basically, yesterday, he did that without his two
Speaker 1: best offensive weapons, and I shouldn't say without, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have statistically the best games. I'm talking about Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott and Amari Cooper. Neither one of them had great
Speaker 1: games statistically, but they were able to find the guys
Speaker 1: that were open. He was able to get the balls,
Speaker 1: to get the ball to them, and they were able
Speaker 1: to make place. You know, he's going to show these
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators that you want to keep playing like this,
Speaker 1: that's fine. I'm going to keep throwing it around. And
Speaker 1: of course, obviously this game coming up, you know they've
Speaker 1: got the critical they got they got the best coach
Speaker 1: in NFL history, um coaching this week and so we'll
Speaker 1: see what they scheme up for him. But the thing
Speaker 1: is is that he's showing that if you want to
Speaker 1: just continue to crowd the box and stop Zeke, you know,
Speaker 1: I could make place in the red zone, though they haven't,
Speaker 1: they haven't proven that they can do that when but
Speaker 1: that that's the only down part about that is shortened
Speaker 1: shortened space. Can they make throws to get that? That
Speaker 1: is a really fun element. And I mean, and look,
Speaker 1: you know this this wasn't like just the most complete
Speaker 1: dominant effort. I'm sure we'll get to the defense. I
Speaker 1: want to be careful not to just heap too much
Speaker 1: praise for an eight point win against the you know,
Speaker 1: a team that they should have beaten. But everybody wants
Speaker 1: to knee jerk like, well, Zeke had another bad game,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. Is Tony Poller better? And
Speaker 1: I think it's so silly. And what Nick just said
Speaker 1: is what really intrigues me and excites me, is like,
Speaker 1: if defenses are going to keep playing them this way
Speaker 1: and Dak can keep taking advantage of it to the
Speaker 1: two four hundred yards, it's gonna stop, real stop. It
Speaker 1: will stop. And now'll loosen up and Zeke Elliott will
Speaker 1: be just fine. And that's sorry. You want to make
Speaker 1: a point, but I mean, like that's balance. It's not
Speaker 1: we ran the ball twenty five times and throw the
Speaker 1: ball thirty times. Like that's not balanced balances. We can
Speaker 1: get it done either way. Once you decide what you
Speaker 1: want to take away, will kill you with the other thing.
Speaker 1: And we know they can run the ball. We know
Speaker 1: they can, but teams have been focusing on taking it
Speaker 1: away and Dak is making him pay for it. He
Speaker 1: couldn't do that earlier in his career and he clearly
Speaker 1: can now. And again, I don't care that the Lions
Speaker 1: are twenty eighth in the league in past defense. Four
Speaker 1: forty four is four forty four. I mean that's not
Speaker 1: common even in the modern age of the NFL. It's
Speaker 1: I can't say enough about how impressive it was what
Speaker 1: they I will say about that, though, is I do
Speaker 1: think that you look at how the passing game has gone.
Speaker 1: They've had other games this year what he's strolling the
Speaker 1: ball all around the yard and had some big impressive
Speaker 1: numbers and they ended up losing. And that's where I
Speaker 1: wonder if teams get to the point where they say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe we ought to rethink this. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: they look at the Cowboys and they say, we still
Speaker 1: would rather have him throwing the ball, because when they're
Speaker 1: running the ball and running it efficiently, they take way
Speaker 1: more time off the clock. You have way fewer opportunities.
Speaker 1: And so yes, they may have a great offensive day statistically,
Speaker 1: but if it doesn't end up in a win, then
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. And that's the part why I'm a
Speaker 1: little bit concerned about what's happening with the running game.
Speaker 1: I do think at some point they got to figure
Speaker 1: out how to get that thing on track, because they
Speaker 1: still have to be able to be able to I
Speaker 1: think in order for this defensive play well, I think
Speaker 1: they got to have time when that defense is not
Speaker 1: on the field. Yeah. You know, the thing that is
Speaker 1: encouraging is if you're not a very good blocker, you're
Speaker 1: just not a good blocker, you know, like run, pass, whatever.
Speaker 1: But the fact that they are blocking so well in
Speaker 1: the passing game and Dak is going through all of
Speaker 1: these reads, that makes me think that when they are
Speaker 1: trying to run it is loaded boxed. It's it's not
Speaker 1: that they're just missing blocks and they can't push people around.
Speaker 1: Maybe strength is a part of it, you know, you
Speaker 1: want a stronger line on third and one, third and two.
Speaker 1: But they're doing a phenomenal job with him just standing
Speaker 1: back there and going through these reads that it makes
Speaker 1: me think that the road line is fine. They're just
Speaker 1: having a harder time with these stacked boxes. I mean,
Speaker 1: for Randall Cobb to do what he did and Gallop
Speaker 1: and all those guys, I just think it was it
Speaker 1: goes through the line saying this is how we're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, you have to throw to beat us. I
Speaker 1: would throw this in there, and I wish, you know,
Speaker 1: I wish I could go back and take a look
Speaker 1: at the game on game pass before we did this show.
Speaker 1: But just spitballing off the top of my head. One
Speaker 1: thing I loved about this game was they executed the
Speaker 1: basically short, easy passes that qualified as runs that me personally,
Speaker 1: I've been dying to see. We saw the Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: pop pass. We saw a wide receiver screen. I think
Speaker 1: it was to MARII Cooper didn't like hit for huge yards,
Speaker 1: But those are basically runs in my book. So that's
Speaker 1: another that's another fifteen to thirty yards when it copped
Speaker 1: on the little short shovel. They did two or three
Speaker 1: of those, and they ran a screen to Ezekiel elliy
Speaker 1: At that went for a touch night. It's that little
Speaker 1: stuff that I think we would all agree we've been
Speaker 1: dying to see more of. It's not in the box
Speaker 1: score under rushing yards, but I think of it the
Speaker 1: same way. And when you consider that, it's a much
Speaker 1: better day in that category than what the box scores suggests.
Speaker 1: So I think I take that into account when I
Speaker 1: think about it. So let's look at the statistical from
Speaker 1: a statistical standpoint, thinking about the fact that they threw
Speaker 1: the ball forty six times in the game yesterday and
Speaker 1: they only ran at twenty four times. Are we starting
Speaker 1: to see a shift in how the Cowboys will play offense?
Speaker 1: Because I do think that even when they all, like
Speaker 1: I said, other points to season, the offense has has
Speaker 1: been in my opinion, passing has been what they've done best.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've seen this kind of discovery.
Speaker 1: Maybe there has been, but this seems really really slant
Speaker 1: it to the side of throwing the ball. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he just said it though. I mean, it's a couple
Speaker 1: passes to Pollard, a couple of screens things like that
Speaker 1: that are high percentage rows that you know that that
Speaker 1: pop pass is. You know, I think that play is
Speaker 1: going to ruin fantasy football, honestly, but hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 1: I really believe it will. It's gonna change. You can't
Speaker 1: just keep doing catches like that. But um, but I
Speaker 1: just think that that's what Dave said. It was high
Speaker 1: percentage place and they trust him and that. I thought
Speaker 1: the most telling thing was the fourth I mean, the
Speaker 1: in the final drive of the game. They can keep
Speaker 1: just running in there, forced you to call all those
Speaker 1: timeout pun it forty seconds to go whatever, and they said, no,
Speaker 1: we're gonna just let him roll out the pass. And
Speaker 1: that's the thing, Jason Garrett. He's not a great game
Speaker 1: manager if people think that, and they do, and when
Speaker 1: it happens, it's, you know, high alert, oh my god it.
Speaker 1: But when he does manage the game, well, it's never mentioned.
Speaker 1: They managed it well. They did went for two like
Speaker 1: they were supposed to. They got the fourteen point league
Speaker 1: and they said, you know what, we're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: kill this game right now and go and so when it.
Speaker 1: When it works, you gotta give him credit if he's
Speaker 1: gonna get crucified when he does when he doesn't. Which
Speaker 1: we don't have to get into this debate right now,
Speaker 1: but we just talked about it because it happened the
Speaker 1: last time they went to Detroit in twenty thirteen. The
Speaker 1: old playing to win versus playing not to lose. This
Speaker 1: is me. I know you feel differently, but playing not
Speaker 1: to lose would have been running three times, punning it
Speaker 1: and saying, Jeff Driscoll can't get that many yards in
Speaker 1: that short amount of time. That's playing not to lose.
Speaker 1: Playing to win is calling a high percentage pass that
Speaker 1: lets you pick up the first down and in the
Speaker 1: game on your terms. I thought that was fantastic. Whether
Speaker 1: it was Kellamore, whether it was Jason Garrett, probably both.
Speaker 1: However they came to that decision. I loved it. And
Speaker 1: that's how you get road wins is you put yourself
Speaker 1: you give you have the confidence to make those types
Speaker 1: of calls. And the only reason I always argue with
Speaker 1: you because I just think the result is the same.
Speaker 1: You know, whether you're trying not to lose or you're
Speaker 1: playing to win, the result is always the same there.
Speaker 1: So it's just how aggressive do you want to be
Speaker 1: and where is your strength? What do you feel like?
Speaker 1: And I think the part of Dak Prescott rolling out,
Speaker 1: being smart with the ball getting it to the tight
Speaker 1: end is just as high percentage as them going They
Speaker 1: weren't going to score if they would have punted. The
Speaker 1: Lions weren't going to drive and score. They don't have
Speaker 1: the Calvin Johnson type guy to go make the play
Speaker 1: like that. They don't. Driscoll's not going to do it.
Speaker 1: But your past interference penalty here changes everything. Or Xavier
Speaker 1: Woods leaves the game for two plays and they give
Speaker 1: up fifty yards back to back, which is something that
Speaker 1: happened ten minutes prior. Going back to your question about
Speaker 1: them kind of turning more into a passing game, something
Speaker 1: that I heard. Someone asked Dak prescotting in the press
Speaker 1: conference last night about that, and his answer was basically, well,
Speaker 1: why are we going to steer away from something that
Speaker 1: we see that is working? And I'm like, yes, final,
Speaker 1: oh wow, finally last week. Yeah, but at least being
Speaker 1: able to hear that from there, I mean, doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that they're not doing it back there or talking about that.
Speaker 1: But when you hear it just gives you a sense
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we're not all crazy. We you guys
Speaker 1: are kind of in the same page as us, and
Speaker 1: you guys still see what we see. So it was
Speaker 1: just good to hear that and listen to them have
Speaker 1: that kind of mentality now of like, you know, if
Speaker 1: we see that this is working, let's keep doing it
Speaker 1: and hopefully going into next week and the rest of
Speaker 1: the season when they go back and see how having
Speaker 1: Tony Poler on the field, how that helped the Yes,
Speaker 1: keep doing it. All right, We're gonna take our first
Speaker 1: break when we come back. We're gonna talk about Ezekiel Elli.
Speaker 1: He had sixteen karries yesterday for forty five yards only
Speaker 1: a two point eight average, and of course that fumble
Speaker 1: there on the first drive. We'll talk about that and
Speaker 1: I'll ask you the question, are you concerned about Zeke?
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Speaker 1: September twenty nineteen. Back to the break Welcome back. It
Speaker 1: is the second second of the break block in SWBC
Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. At the start, we're talking about the Cowboys
Speaker 1: big win yesterday over the Lions. Uh they win thirty
Speaker 1: five twenty seven. Move to six and four. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Elliott. Yesterday he had sixteen carries for forty
Speaker 1: five yards at two point eight average um. And did
Speaker 1: he did you have one touchdown? But he also had
Speaker 1: that big fumble there in the early parts of the
Speaker 1: game that the that the alliance turned into points. Are
Speaker 1: you guys at all concerned about Ezekiel Elliott and kind
Speaker 1: of how he's performing right now? I'm concerned anytime and
Speaker 1: running back fumbles, I mean that that is and and
Speaker 1: you know I made a joke about it on Twitter
Speaker 1: yesterday is like, I don't want to talk about slow
Speaker 1: starts for another seven days. But what choice do you
Speaker 1: have when they do that? I mean fumble on the
Speaker 1: second play of the game and a touchdown drive coming
Speaker 1: right after me? What choice but you have? Do you
Speaker 1: have but to talk about it? Um like in terms
Speaker 1: of you know, forty five rushing yards and not not really,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not not not when your quarterbacks
Speaker 1: going for forty four. I mean that's the thing, like,
Speaker 1: give give Dack fifty yards less and give it give
Speaker 1: it to Zeke, you know that kind of style of
Speaker 1: running and and balance. Zeke's got ninety five and Dak's
Speaker 1: got three ninety four and that's balance. And everyone's excited.
Speaker 1: But I mean, like we said earlier, as soon as
Speaker 1: you start, they can't do anything. Like if you have
Speaker 1: a lot of Saints games where Dad can't throw and
Speaker 1: Zeke can't run, Yeah, I think you have some concern,
Speaker 1: But they the defensive coordinators are showing that their respect
Speaker 1: for Zeke Elliott in the running game is still there.
Speaker 1: Until they have seven man boxes and still and stop him.
Speaker 1: Then I think you started getting concerned. But I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not there yet, and I don't know if this
Speaker 1: week's going to change anything. But yeah, Jedi out there.
Speaker 1: I mean he'll he'll come up with some kind of
Speaker 1: best defense in the league. Yeah, Ji, he is a Jedi. Oh,
Speaker 1: he definitely is a Jedi. I just er and seven
Speaker 1: linebackers and I don't know, he's definitely And I mean
Speaker 1: we took a call about it last week. We've talked
Speaker 1: about it plenty, like it is. Yeah, it sucks that
Speaker 1: he doesn't have more long runs. I think he's got
Speaker 1: one run of twenty or more on the season, and
Speaker 1: you would prefer he's more explosive. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 1: him do it as a pro, and I mean he
Speaker 1: did it at will in college. Obviously that was a
Speaker 1: while ago at this point, but it's still what he
Speaker 1: brings to the table as a workhorse, like as a
Speaker 1: guy who can fight through that contact, take a minimum
Speaker 1: of sixteen if not twenty five or thirty carries a
Speaker 1: game and still be productive, be the focal point of
Speaker 1: a Defensei's efforts and still produce I mean, yeah, forty
Speaker 1: five rushing yards two point eight yards per carry along
Speaker 1: of eight that's bad. But then you know, two catches
Speaker 1: for twenty eight yards, including a seventeen yard touchdown on
Speaker 1: a screen pass, which we all know how good he
Speaker 1: is at that. Again, I mean all of that goes
Speaker 1: into account, right, I just I'm not ready to be
Speaker 1: worried about it. Sorry? Could it be? I haven't I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember all these plays. But could it be
Speaker 1: maybe due to what the offensive line is doing and
Speaker 1: what kind of holes they're being able or unable to
Speaker 1: open up for him? I don't know. I think anytime
Speaker 1: a running back is not getting a great deal of production,
Speaker 1: I think that's part of it, at least he goes in.
Speaker 1: What I don't know. What I don't know is is
Speaker 1: Zeke seeing everything the way he should? Is he hitting
Speaker 1: the holes with the rate right kind of burst? Like
Speaker 1: those are things that sometimes you can't really notice. You
Speaker 1: just noticed there's not a there when he gets there.
Speaker 1: But the question in becomes was there a hole there
Speaker 1: preceding that? In? Was there an expectation that he should
Speaker 1: have found that whole quicker and should have been through
Speaker 1: it by the time it closed up? That's what which
Speaker 1: is what he's being able to do in the past years.
Speaker 1: It's like he'll make a play out of nothing, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're missing now. He actually there
Speaker 1: was a couple of plays in that game where I thought,
Speaker 1: and I think we were talking about one of them,
Speaker 1: where I mean, he just kind of runs right into
Speaker 1: the line and then all of a sudden he kind
Speaker 1: of sports out for four or five yards. I thought
Speaker 1: he did a decent job of that. No big runs.
Speaker 1: Once the second week in a row that their longest
Speaker 1: rush is less than ten yards, and the second week
Speaker 1: in row that the longest rush is not by running back,
Speaker 1: because Dak was nine yards and last week Tavon was eight.
Speaker 1: So they're not getting any kind of long runs at all,
Speaker 1: not even decent fifteen to twenty yard runs. It's tough
Speaker 1: to say this without doing some tape study, but I wonder,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a patient runner, and maybe he's
Speaker 1: waiting so long for a hole to develop that will
Speaker 1: give him a longer run that it prevents him from
Speaker 1: just getting the typical three to four or five yard run.
Speaker 1: Like I'd like to go back and look at that,
Speaker 1: but there is an element of that to where he
Speaker 1: you know, it looks like he's waiting so long to
Speaker 1: identify where he needs to be that the play doesn't
Speaker 1: wind up going anywhere. I mean, you know, Pollard had
Speaker 1: a great game. I'm ecstatic about it. He would that
Speaker 1: is a picture perfect look at how I would like
Speaker 1: them to use Tony Pollard. He caught four balls. Two
Speaker 1: or three of those catches were really more runs than anything.
Speaker 1: But his touchdown was going across the formation out of
Speaker 1: the slot. I mean he basically ran a drag from
Speaker 1: the slot. He can do that. It's awesome. He got
Speaker 1: a couple of chances. It's funny because you know, the
Speaker 1: opening kick was kind of a disaster, and I mean, like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, enough of Tony Pollard as a kick returner.
Speaker 1: And then his play in the fourth quarter on the
Speaker 1: one that went over his head was fantastic and big
Speaker 1: play in the game. We talked, talked to a bunch
Speaker 1: of people in the locker room. I mean that he
Speaker 1: played it the way you're supposed to play it, like
Speaker 1: he lined up on the five or the ten and
Speaker 1: it went over his head, so you think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a touchback. It just took an amazing bounce, like
Speaker 1: just a hell of a play by Detroit's kicker and
Speaker 1: then he still managed to corral it and get further
Speaker 1: than he would have if it had been a touchback.
Speaker 1: It was an awesome house. So I think eight total
Speaker 1: touches for ninety eight yards and a touchdown again, and
Speaker 1: I would bet his snap count was less than twenty five.
Speaker 1: I like, I haven't looked at it. Yes, even less
Speaker 1: than that. Yeah, I mean you look at just a
Speaker 1: number of times that he actually had the ball, and
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about special teams. He had two carries
Speaker 1: for twelve yards, and then he had four catches on
Speaker 1: four targets for forty four yards and a touchdown. My
Speaker 1: question for you guys, are you surprised the Cowboys didn't
Speaker 1: go back to him. This all happened most that offensive
Speaker 1: production happened at the end of the first quarter heading
Speaker 1: into the second quarter, and it doesn't. I don't think
Speaker 1: he touched the ball again the rest of the game,
Speaker 1: where you kind of shocked that they didn't going back
Speaker 1: to that little he had the two point conversion and
Speaker 1: the two posion whatever quarter. I guess I was talking
Speaker 1: about more of the offense at It's like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: saw him get that touchdown and getting the ball and
Speaker 1: all that and people are excited. Tony Poler gets sit
Speaker 1: I can't even say sit Zeke down. But then you
Speaker 1: see Zeke get the ball and then he gets moving,
Speaker 1: then he gets a touchdown, and it's like, it made
Speaker 1: me think of that, you know, when we wonder, okay,
Speaker 1: what they do at tight end. It's like, okay, you
Speaker 1: see Blake jar we're making it play. But now they
Speaker 1: feel like maybe they need to get the ball to
Speaker 1: Jason because he's the main guy and blah blah. So
Speaker 1: it made me think of that, and like, I wonder
Speaker 1: if because of his small amount of success that Tony
Speaker 1: Poler had, do the Cowboys feel like maybe they need
Speaker 1: to give zek the ball and the opportunity for Zeke
Speaker 1: to make his own play. Yeah, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know they think like that during the game, but I
Speaker 1: see your point. I mean, it seemed a little curious
Speaker 1: they didn't go back to him after they saw the
Speaker 1: success that he was having him. To me, that was
Speaker 1: more about the matchups that he was getting, yeah, and
Speaker 1: so why not continue to exploit those? But again, well
Speaker 1: we're making when we're really splitting hairs because again, the
Speaker 1: offense put up four yards, so it's kind of like
Speaker 1: they were moving the ball, they didn't necessarily need to
Speaker 1: go back to him. I guess, yeah, fourth straight touchdown,
Speaker 1: I mean fourth straight scoring possessions after the touchdown, then
Speaker 1: they punted when zeke Bo was back in there, and
Speaker 1: then went touchdown, touchdown, field goal, touchdown. So it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that. I can't sit here.
Speaker 1: They finally give him the workload that I want. I
Speaker 1: can't sit here and nitpick it. And that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of my point is like Tony Pollard's good, he brings
Speaker 1: some juice, he should be involved. That doesn't mean zeke
Speaker 1: is a bad player needs to have his snap count
Speaker 1: drastically reduced. I think that's the most knee jerk thing
Speaker 1: in the entire world. But it's hard not to look
Speaker 1: at this. I hope the coaching staff looks at this
Speaker 1: and says, this guy needs to be a sizeable part
Speaker 1: of the game plan. I mean sizeable meaning again eight
Speaker 1: to fifteen touches. Whereas you know, I can go back
Speaker 1: and I can show you the snap counts, like from
Speaker 1: the Miami game until like yesterday, you're talking five snaps
Speaker 1: snaps or less, and that's just not good enough for
Speaker 1: a guy with that much talent. That doesn't mean you
Speaker 1: need to reduce Zeke's role. Was Zeke on the field
Speaker 1: when these when they're doing these pot passes? Um, I
Speaker 1: know that that series that he was Tony scored, he
Speaker 1: was not on the field to that is going to
Speaker 1: be important as well. Yeah, and I wondered if if
Speaker 1: Zeke was there, if they don't like they don't like
Speaker 1: uh twenty one personnel for whatever reason, they just don't
Speaker 1: like to do it. I don't get why. But they
Speaker 1: did do it some yesterday early in the game, and
Speaker 1: they kind of kind of they dilly with it. They're like,
Speaker 1: all right, we can do it once. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this in the Cowboys will face to Seem in
Speaker 1: early December Chicago. Go look at how they use Tercohen.
Speaker 1: And that's how I would love for the Cowboys to
Speaker 1: use Pollard. I mean, he is lining up in the
Speaker 1: slot at wide receiver. Every once in a while he
Speaker 1: lines up in the backfield, but they just use him.
Speaker 1: The whole point of how they use him in the
Speaker 1: offense is get him in matchups with linebackers. If you
Speaker 1: can force linebackers to be covering him and he's going
Speaker 1: down field, he's gonna win every turn every time. Try
Speaker 1: Cohen caught a touchdown like twenty yards down field last
Speaker 1: night with a linebacker on him. I don't get what
Speaker 1: stops them from doing that, but again, maybe maybe the
Speaker 1: fact that it worked is kind of like, all right,
Speaker 1: we can do this now, Like, um, forgive me. I
Speaker 1: don't remember the game, but Pauler dropped a screen earlier
Speaker 1: this season that likely would have scored. Was it the
Speaker 1: Giants game, the road game? Yeah, maybe if he catches that,
Speaker 1: then it's kind of forward momentum on getting him more
Speaker 1: involved and now, so maybe him being able to put
Speaker 1: this on tape gives them the confidence to keep doing it.
Speaker 1: Because I'm not going to judge it based on the
Speaker 1: Patriots game, because that is a whole different animal. But
Speaker 1: if this doesn't, you know, if if he just disappears
Speaker 1: for the next month after this game, that would be
Speaker 1: really frustrating. I will say this, and we don't want
Speaker 1: to get too far into this, but I think this
Speaker 1: is the kind of week against the Patriots when they
Speaker 1: need a guy like that. Because you look at the
Speaker 1: history of the Patriots and how they play defense, They're
Speaker 1: gonna try to take a your top options. What you
Speaker 1: did last week, you're gonna probably have to do that
Speaker 1: again because they're probably gonna figure out a way to
Speaker 1: take a mariout of game, and they're gonna figure out
Speaker 1: a way to take Zeke out of the game. It's
Speaker 1: how can you be able to move the ball and
Speaker 1: still score points when those two guys are taken out
Speaker 1: of game? And so that's gonna be really really important.
Speaker 1: Let's take our final break. We'll come back. We're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about this defense. That's some issue yesterday, but we'll
Speaker 1: break all that down for you when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: all right. Let's talk about the defense yesterday. Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: It was a weird game for me because I looked
Speaker 1: at if you watch the game or I'll put it
Speaker 1: for myself. As I watched the game, and when the
Speaker 1: game concluded, I thought, man, this defense had a bad day. However,
Speaker 1: when you go back and you look statistically, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a really bad day or fields
Speaker 1: a situation where they got put in some really bad situations.
Speaker 1: There were a couple times when because of special teams,
Speaker 1: because of offense turnovers they had, the other team got
Speaker 1: the ball in in favorable situations and the defense wasn't
Speaker 1: able to make the stop. But you look at the
Speaker 1: yards they gave up. I want to give up two
Speaker 1: hundred nine yards passing, give up one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: one yards rushing, But that that really was about the
Speaker 1: fact that they could stop Driscoll from running he was
Speaker 1: I think, well, I mean Scarborough had he had fifty
Speaker 1: five yards or three point nine average, that's not huge.
Speaker 1: That didn't kill you. And so my point is, I
Speaker 1: don't know if the defense was really as bad as
Speaker 1: I thought it was. Watching the game, I'm interested to
Speaker 1: see what you guys said respective if it were in
Speaker 1: bad And I called myself and I wanted to think
Speaker 1: that way, I'm like, oh, they weren't that bad. But
Speaker 1: then when you look at who was like running back,
Speaker 1: who was playing quarterbacks, I mean, I mean that takes
Speaker 1: in effect as to how they played. They should have
Speaker 1: played a lot better. I mean the quarterback. Here's a guy. Yes,
Speaker 1: he had some really nice throws down the field, and
Speaker 1: he impressed me that way. I was like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you had that in you like that. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's a guy with not much experience.
Speaker 1: You could see his hesitation. He doesn't have good anticipation.
Speaker 1: He would always kind of self doubt himself trying to
Speaker 1: figure out what to do. The defensive line was giving
Speaker 1: him way too much time instead of getting to him
Speaker 1: and pressuring him. You know, when you talk about the
Speaker 1: hot boys, I expected them to get that feeld on
Speaker 1: fire and stop Driscoll from moving around and being able
Speaker 1: to escape. The pocket boys didn't get a sack yesterday. Now,
Speaker 1: now Bennett had two and Quinn had one. Are they Quinn?
Speaker 1: Is I know for sure? I don't, Bennett said, I
Speaker 1: remember the He's no, Michael Bennett said last week. I
Speaker 1: remember the real hot boys. Those guys don't know what
Speaker 1: they're talking about. Cash money forever, Yeah, Benness, Michael Bennett's
Speaker 1: two guys, and then there's Bennett. That's your sentiment. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's not a part of what's what this whole thing
Speaker 1: is about. I mean, you know, we see it in
Speaker 1: the national anthem, we see stuff. He's doing his own thing.
Speaker 1: He's his own guy. He's here for a different reason
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. But when when the lights are on,
Speaker 1: he goes and he gets it done. Now, he had
Speaker 1: two off side penalties yesterday and that one was big.
Speaker 1: One was very really could have been a big play.
Speaker 1: But they do buckle down and he had a really
Speaker 1: nice play that changed the game when he's when he
Speaker 1: made that sack and forced him to punt, which head scratching.
Speaker 1: Really um because fourth and twenty six. I would have
Speaker 1: gone for it, honestly, because what they were asking to
Speaker 1: do to get the ball back was going to be
Speaker 1: so they could get into hell Mary mode. So what's
Speaker 1: the difference. I understand that the odds of Cleveland, the
Speaker 1: odds of picking up a fourth and twenty six are
Speaker 1: not good, But you're not getting that ball back. You're
Speaker 1: just you're probably not if you do. If you do
Speaker 1: get Mary, it'll be, yeah, you'll have one play. I mean,
Speaker 1: damned if you do, damned if you don't. But I
Speaker 1: think you give yourself a better chance going for it.
Speaker 1: That's anyway. I honestly, I think it's a that's a
Speaker 1: good example of stats lying because the stats will tell
Speaker 1: you that they weren't terrible. But I don't think they
Speaker 1: played a good game. I thought Robert Quinn actually he
Speaker 1: had a good line where he was like, we had
Speaker 1: a bad day explosively in terms of limiting explosive plays. Yeah,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twelve yards, that's pretty good. You've got
Speaker 1: three sacks, two of them came, or excuse me, one
Speaker 1: of them came, and a couple other pressures when it
Speaker 1: really mattered. But explosive plays, I mean they had a
Speaker 1: five play seventy five yard There were so many times
Speaker 1: where I was like, okay, they're down for the count.
Speaker 1: This game is now over, and then they just climbed
Speaker 1: right back in. If they did it in the they
Speaker 1: did in the first half where you know, they score
Speaker 1: on the short field, I'm not going to kill all
Speaker 1: the defense for that. They've got put in a bad position.
Speaker 1: But then after three punts, bad return sets him up,
Speaker 1: they go forty yards and score a touchdown to to
Speaker 1: clawback in it before the half, and then coming out
Speaker 1: of halftime ten plays seventy yards. I mean, they just
Speaker 1: methodically moved it downfield. That included a thirty nine yard
Speaker 1: pass the Hall got them down to the Dallas nine
Speaker 1: and then gave him an opportunity score. And then I
Speaker 1: mean the really damning one for me. And I know
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods was heard and Donovan Wilson had to go
Speaker 1: out there. I get that, but you know, it's thirty
Speaker 1: five twenty one. They score, they get the two point conversion,
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, all right, there, we're iceing this
Speaker 1: thing away. And then it's not just that they went
Speaker 1: and scored. They went in five five plays, seventy five yards,
Speaker 1: took two minutes off the clock. Just just bad performance.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, you know, we talked about it
Speaker 1: last week, like Driskolls got better athleticism than what you
Speaker 1: would associate with a tall, white quarterback. He did, and
Speaker 1: he burned him. And somebody said, yes last night in
Speaker 1: the post game. I can't remember one player said he
Speaker 1: ran a four? Four or four he ran he had
Speaker 1: somebody somebody mentioned that to me after I gave my
Speaker 1: Sky report. They were like, he ran a four or
Speaker 1: five at the combine. I honestly I didn't know he
Speaker 1: was that fast, but I knew he was more athletic
Speaker 1: than you would associate with him running. There's some running
Speaker 1: backs that don't run a four or five at the
Speaker 1: combat like that is that's a really, really great time
Speaker 1: for a quarterback. But the point being, like he did
Speaker 1: so many things that sort of defied a basic scouting report,
Speaker 1: Like there were so many times that the pressure just
Speaker 1: kind of came off the edge and ran right past
Speaker 1: him and gave him an easy lane. And honestly, I
Speaker 1: said this during the game. I don't know if Jeff
Speaker 1: driscoll was trying to prove something or what, but he
Speaker 1: left about seventy five yards on the field by trying
Speaker 1: to make throws when he had room to run, like
Speaker 1: five or six different plays he had the first down,
Speaker 1: he needs four yards or he needs eight yards, and
Speaker 1: he tried to force a throw instead of just picking
Speaker 1: it up, like he could have run for one of them,
Speaker 1: could have got picked he Yeah, no, I mean he
Speaker 1: could have run for one hundred and extended several more
Speaker 1: drives if he had just run, And thankfully he didn't
Speaker 1: for the cowboys sake, but it was there so for
Speaker 1: from this standpoint, the explosive plays. Do you think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys missed Jeff Heath yesterday? No, offense to Jeff Heath,
Speaker 1: but I don't. I mean, so many of them on
Speaker 1: team that's you know, Rod Marinelli loves to keep him
Speaker 1: in the well like that's his line. And they did
Speaker 1: not keep Jeff Driscoll in the well at all. They
Speaker 1: did not, I mean he broke contain. And I'm not
Speaker 1: so much talking about the quarterback explosive plays. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about more some of those plays down fill, some of
Speaker 1: those passes that they were able to convert. The thirty
Speaker 1: nine yard er, yeah, there was a twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: yarder to a Mendola, twenty five yarder to Jones. I'm
Speaker 1: wondering in those plays are you missing having the safety?
Speaker 1: There's nothing I'm trying to think if there was any
Speaker 1: play that I would make me think, oh, if Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath was in there, that would not have happened. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not that difference maker for starters. I don't think
Speaker 1: of pass coverage as being like his amazing strength that
Speaker 1: he's going to take those away. But then I'll contradict myself,
Speaker 1: Like Jeff Driscoll through for two hundred yards that's in
Speaker 1: the modern NFL. I will take that like you're just
Speaker 1: you're gonna give up some plays in football, Like that's
Speaker 1: just is what it is. And so Kenny Galladay caught
Speaker 1: one pass, Marvin Jones have four for forty three, two touchdowns.
Speaker 1: But still like I'll take that stuff. It's the it's
Speaker 1: the explosive runs and not being able to get to driscoll.
Speaker 1: I mean, up until the fourth quarter, it seemed like
Speaker 1: the pass rush either couldn't get to him or over
Speaker 1: pursued him. That's the stuff that bothers me more than
Speaker 1: him throwing for a few chunk plays. I mean, I
Speaker 1: get the sense. And we've I've heard a little bit
Speaker 1: during the game after the game social media that you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, is it. You know they won, but
Speaker 1: that they should have killed the Lions. I just don't agree.
Speaker 1: Vegas doesn't agree. I mean, they did exactly what they
Speaker 1: were supposed to do. One by eight on the line
Speaker 1: was seven or seven and a half, that's what it was,
Speaker 1: and they did. I mean, like the thought of that
Speaker 1: this team, this is a team that should be competing
Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl. They're not, Like, this is not
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys are. They're not that great of a
Speaker 1: football team. That's why they're six and four. Can they
Speaker 1: still get there? Yeah, they can't. They get on a
Speaker 1: roll then get get hot. But this is I mean,
Speaker 1: they did what they were supposed to do in this game.
Speaker 1: And if if Stafford would have played, maybe, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe would have been different. Maybe not. He's not going
Speaker 1: for fifty yards a problems that we're brushing, but he
Speaker 1: probably can throw for more in Galladay probably has more
Speaker 1: than one catch. I just think that based off that
Speaker 1: this is exactly what the cow did, what they're supposed
Speaker 1: to do. If you don't like it, that's just on
Speaker 1: the way the team is. But this is what they
Speaker 1: were supposed to do. More on your expectations, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean at this point your expectations shouldn't be that different anybody.
Speaker 1: By Thanksgiving you should have readjusted your expectations. But I
Speaker 1: still think the way the way it happened, though, is
Speaker 1: what gives me pause. Like my prediction was twenty seven
Speaker 1: to thirteen, and we said last week, like, this is
Speaker 1: not a bad Lions team. They're not. They're not good,
Speaker 1: but they're not. This is not the Jets, this is
Speaker 1: not what they are. And yeah, um, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: Twenty seven points to a backup quarterback and a guy
Speaker 1: and a running back that they signed on Saturday. That
Speaker 1: that gives me pause. And I mean the defense, we
Speaker 1: thought it would be so much better. The stats say
Speaker 1: they really didn't play a terrible game, but my eyes
Speaker 1: told me that they didn't play a good game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't gift to anybody. That's the only way you're
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna get a team like that in the
Speaker 1: game is if you just fumble in the second play
Speaker 1: of the game, or if you give up a punt
Speaker 1: to midfield, and you know, that doesn't mean the defense
Speaker 1: has to let him score. You can't, you know, stop
Speaker 1: him lead to a field goal. But yeah, it's short field,
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to score touchdown, you know. So
Speaker 1: that they could have done a better job of buckling
Speaker 1: down there, but you know, just driving down the field.
Speaker 1: They did it when they needed to, and that's that's
Speaker 1: the prevent style, you know, but usually it takes more
Speaker 1: time off the clock than that. But I just think overall,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was a bad win. You know,
Speaker 1: we had had a guy turned around and right on
Speaker 1: the field and said we should be killing these guys,
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, not really according to who you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't think so. I don't think
Speaker 1: this team is as talented everyone thinks they are, that
Speaker 1: they should be winning. They could have in this game,
Speaker 1: maybe one by fourteen. But they did it. I said
Speaker 1: right after the game. It reminded me of the road
Speaker 1: win against the Giants. Just I mean, yeah, you did
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do. It's not it's not an
Speaker 1: exciting win. It's not something that you should never feel
Speaker 1: bad about a win in the NFL. But but I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I don't feel especially different about
Speaker 1: this team than I did on Saturday. I guess, you know. No,
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged that Dak can keep doing stuff like this.
Speaker 1: That was Actually, this is my hypothetical for y'all. If
Speaker 1: you could rearrange it, they still win. We'll even say
Speaker 1: the margin is the same. But like Dak throws for
Speaker 1: two seventies, Zeke runs for one hundred and they score,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty four. But the defense holds the Giants
Speaker 1: down to like one hundred and seventy five yards, And
Speaker 1: what did I said? The Giants Lions defense holds them
Speaker 1: to one eighty and ten points. I mean, just basically
Speaker 1: the same result, but it's more of a dominant defensive
Speaker 1: performance than sixteen. Just kind of low. Yeah, well, okay,
Speaker 1: they beat him twenty four sixteen. The offense is fine
Speaker 1: but not great, and the defense really just kind of
Speaker 1: sets the tone. Would you feel differently, would you feel better?
Speaker 1: Maybe it also depends on how the game played out,
Speaker 1: because I think the feelings that people have right now
Speaker 1: about the defense wasn't necessarily about the end result as
Speaker 1: much as it was what you saw, like they just
Speaker 1: they weren't able like the things when you saw. There
Speaker 1: was one drive in particular, and I remember which one
Speaker 1: it was, it was in the second half where they
Speaker 1: were basically just gashing the Cowboys And that's where you know,
Speaker 1: to me, that's starting to look familiar now because there
Speaker 1: have been several games this year where it's certain parts
Speaker 1: of the game offenses it happened against Minnesota. Will offense
Speaker 1: is just say we're about to run the ball and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are just like getting gashed just moving the
Speaker 1: ball down the field. It's those kind of moments that
Speaker 1: make you say, you know, regardless of what the outcome
Speaker 1: was at the end of the day, you know they
Speaker 1: didn't give up a ton of rushing yards. But when
Speaker 1: you watched it, you came away from it thinking, man,
Speaker 1: I said to you at one point, Nick, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why they're not going to run the
Speaker 1: ball every because they're getting as much as they want
Speaker 1: on the ground. And so that's where I still don't
Speaker 1: know if I would feel differently if it was if
Speaker 1: it was played the same way and the defense was
Speaker 1: giving up the stuff they were giving up in the
Speaker 1: way they gave it up. Well, maybe we can just driscoll.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not that great of a quarterback. If
Speaker 1: we could just face like the best quarterback of all time,
Speaker 1: then we can kind of figure out where they stand. Well,
Speaker 1: he's can we do that? The question is is he
Speaker 1: gonna play like the greatest of all time now? Because
Speaker 1: he may not. He hasn't been playing like that. Let's
Speaker 1: just put it like Brady came out that morning and
Speaker 1: was like, Yeah, the strength of our team's defense. We're
Speaker 1: gonna lay it into that as much as we can.
Speaker 1: You got it. I mean, the only way he's ever
Speaker 1: been stopped is if you just get after his ass,
Speaker 1: and you have to that, and maybe the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: a guy on their team that is kind of pissed
Speaker 1: off at the Patriots. That's nice, But the crazy, the
Speaker 1: crazy part about that right now is they're winning with
Speaker 1: the offense not doing a ton. It's the defense that's
Speaker 1: playing out of its mind and that matches up against
Speaker 1: the Cowboy st This is gonna be an interesting game.
Speaker 1: And just when you look at the Cowboys do have
Speaker 1: the number one offense, they still do. I mean in
Speaker 1: five o nine, I don't. I can't imagine that they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have the number one offense pages number one defense. Right,
Speaker 1: let's go. We got like four more days of shows
Speaker 1: to fill. Guys. I do know this is gonna be fun,
Speaker 1: all right to answer my sorry, answer my own question.
Speaker 1: I know. I know defenses win championships. I know the
Speaker 1: Pats won the Super Bowl thirteen to three. If my
Speaker 1: quarterback can do that weekend and week out, give me
Speaker 1: that every time. And you know the Eagles won the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl forty one thirty three. Their defense made like
Speaker 1: one stop when it counted. Like, I'll take my chances
Speaker 1: that the defense can put it together just enough. But
Speaker 1: if my offense is scoring and doing stuff like that
Speaker 1: weekend and week out, I'll take that every the question
Speaker 1: will be can he do that again? A great defense
Speaker 1: and we saw it, we saw in New World, that's
Speaker 1: what happened. Like you, it's a great defense. There are
Speaker 1: many that believe. That's why they say defense when Chai
Speaker 1: Championships is they believe that a great defense will stop
Speaker 1: a great offense. And so well, we'll see. I think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions around that, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: find out a lot about that this weekend. What a tease.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you, guys. Jonas. We were back tomorrow our
Speaker 1: normal time till then for Nick Eatman, Dave Hambert, Dave,
Speaker 1: Dave Hellman, Dave Hamberg, Yeah, Dave Hellman, as will though
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