1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travison buck Sexton 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show Wednesday edition. 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: We hope all of you are having a fantastic day 4 00:00:13,400 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: wherever you may be across this great country or this 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: great land. Major major day in the Supreme Court as 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: Mississippi's abortion law is being debated. Earlier this morning. Just 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: now finishing up, we will be going to Washington, DC 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: to talk to Fox News is Legal correspondent Shannon Bream, 9 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: who was in that courtroom. And by the way, the 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court back opened to allow people to witness these 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: arguments in person. Buck, you listened too much of what 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: went on in this argument earlier today. I have been 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: paying a great deal of attention to this as well, 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: trying to read the tea leaves as to where we 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 1: might be headed and what the overall impact of this 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: decision could be. We are scheduled to have the Governor 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: of Mississippi on Tate Reeves at some point this week 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: to discuss this case in particular. But I want to 19 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: play a couple of cuts to contextualize where we are 20 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: in terms of the debate surrounding Mississippi's law which would 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: not permit abortion after fifteen weeks, and how it fits 22 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: into the framework surrounding Roe v. Wade, but also planned 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: parenthood the Casey, which are the frameworks which have allowed 24 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: abortion to be the law of the land. From a 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: federal perspective, here is Justice Sonia Sotomayor asking how the 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: Supreme Court will survive if Roe v. Wade is overturned 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: and the Court is seen as political? Will this institution 28 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: survive the stench that this creates in the public perception 29 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: that the Constitution and it's reading are just political acts. 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: If people actually believe that it's all political, how will 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: we survive? How will the Court survived? The concern about 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 1: appearing political makes it absolutely imperative that the Court reach 33 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: a decision well grounded in the Constitution, in tech structure, history, 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: and tradition, and that carefully goes through the starry decisis 35 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: factors lay out, went through every one of them. You 36 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: think it did it wrong, that's your belief, But Casey 37 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: did that, Okay, so buck my prediction. I'll just lay 38 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: it out and obviously we can discuss this in great 39 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: detail because it's a major story. I think what's going 40 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: to end up happening months from now when this decision 41 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: actually comes down, is they are going to uphold the 42 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Mississippi law, and they are going to do it, however 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: within the existing framework of Casey and Row make it 44 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 1: even more tortured and difficult to understand. The rulings you 45 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: heard star a decisive mention and there for people who 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: are not familiar with that phrase, that's basically the idea 47 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 1: that you need to respect existing precedent, which John Roberts 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: has deferred to a great deal. And so that's why 49 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: I think this is the most likely outcome. Mississippi WAW 50 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: is permissible, but they are not going to overturn Roe v. 51 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: Wade or Casey. What do you think based on your 52 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: reading and listening of the arguments today, the argument for 53 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: the pro life side was going well today overall. I mean, 54 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: just start with that. The people who were listening in 55 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: would have caught some of this, But I was I spent, 56 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, from the gaveling in until we had to 57 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: come on air here Clay listening to the the back 58 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: and forth, and there were only really a couple of 59 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: areas that it seemed like the in this case obviously 60 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: the Biden administration side, the Solicitor General really dug in 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: on you mentioned stary decisist, just precedent right, star descisist 62 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: fancy Latin basically, and deference to press and Kavanaugh I 63 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: think did a very good job, among others. Essentially, that's 64 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: right that Brett Kavanaugh, the guy that they tried so 65 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: desperately to keep off the Supreme Court. We all remember 66 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: that saying, well, yeah, precedent is precedent until it's not right, 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: until until all of a sudden you decide that same 68 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: sex marriage needs to be legal with oberg Fell, or 69 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: until you decide, I mean, and then they beyond just that, 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: there's also the stains on the Supreme Court's history Quarmatsu 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: dred Scott, where clearly it was just wrong, right, it 72 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: was a moral and legal wrong. So that's not really 73 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: the argument that I think the left wants to believe 74 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: that it is in something like this where it hasn't 75 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: played out the way that they wanted to write. The 76 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: Initially one of the arguments and this came up in 77 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: favor of Row, and then and then Casey was well, 78 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: this will cool things down, right, this will kind of 79 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: take this so that everyone knows what the rules are. No, 80 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: it hasn't. In fact, if anything, I think it's made 81 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: the issue even more divisive because the position here of 82 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: the conservatives on the Court isn't that they're going to 83 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: have a federal ban on abortion. That could the conservatives 84 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: on the court if they went I think, by the way, 85 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: you're right, and I don't know what the betting odds 86 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: would be on this, or if there really is such 87 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: a thing, but the smart money from a lot of 88 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: conservative legal minds I know lines up with what you said, 89 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: which is they'll let the Mississippi law stand, but they 90 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: won't necessarily go all the way in and say, look, 91 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: Roe is bad law, or Roe and Casey in essence 92 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: parts of them are bad law. So the president issue 93 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: I think didn't go very very well for them. And 94 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: then also viability came up a lot. What is the 95 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: viability line? And this has played out over a long 96 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: period of time, now decades, where that how is that 97 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: even really a legal concept for one thing? Viability meaning 98 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: when can a fetus survive outside the womb? That changes 99 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: is variable and if anything has been moving earlier and 100 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: earlier in the gestation process, So how are we even 101 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: pretending that that's really and that came up very clearly 102 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: in some of the some of the arguments. I think Thomas, 103 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: you know you've all these different you can't see them, right, 104 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: which actually, yes, you realize how much it hurts your 105 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 1: memory of these things you don't see. I think Thomas 106 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: talked about it. Alito might have brought it up. But 107 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: the viability issue, I think is another place where, because 108 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 1: you even have leftists Clay who will say that's pretty arbitrary. 109 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: And so if it's arbitrary, why not send it back 110 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: to the States and allow them to make their own 111 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: distinctions about this, which I mean, you could see it, right, 112 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: you could see a five four I mean bombsheller or 113 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 1: what better word to use, you know, legal avalanche decision here. 114 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: But if you're listening on the merits today, I think 115 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,119 Speaker 1: that it was a very strong showing for the anti 116 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: abortion pro life side of the equation. I think they're 117 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: feeling pretty good about the case that was made today 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: before the court. All right, here's what else I would say. 119 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: I want to play this because not surprisingly, temperatures are 120 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: all ratcheted up. The left wing in this country is 121 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: losing its mind. This is on MSNBC I Believe Joy 122 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: Reed show and abortion activist Liz Winstead said, people who 123 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: support abortion restriction also support what do you think white supremacy? 124 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: Listen to this argument. The lower court, the Fifth Circuit, 125 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: the most conservative court in the land, twice said you 126 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: know what, this isn't going to pass Muster in the 127 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: state of Mississippi, and the extreme conservatives there went to 128 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court to say, we want a hearing, and 129 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: they got one. And that should make everyone take a pause, right, 130 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: And so folks learning about who are the legislatures, who 131 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: are the governors in your state, who are the people 132 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: who are running solely on this issue because so many 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: of them are, and looking the intersections of those people 134 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: and white supremacy and how they feel about guns and 135 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: how they feel about all this stuff, and I think 136 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 1: that it's all intersectional and we need to pay attention closely. 137 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it does make me think Clay which, first 138 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: of all, when they're talking about white supremacy in the 139 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: context of abortion, you go back and look at Margaret Sanger, 140 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: the founder of Planned parenthood. You go back and look 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: at the early philosophy of the pro abortion side. Oh yeah, 142 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: and there is, there's a lot of eugenics thread in 143 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: their thinking. A lot of the well society won't want 144 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: fill in the blank, you know, kids that are unwanted 145 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: in a whole different range of categories. And it's horrific. 146 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: I mean, when you actually know the history of planned parenthood, 147 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: you understand why this is an organization that is it's 148 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: really shocking that it's been able to exist in the 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: American mainstream and become so powerful. I mean, there's really 150 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: nothing in the Democrat Party as an issue where I 151 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: think you are as you'll be as outraged by you know, 152 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to your own side, you'll upset people 153 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: as much as if you're a Democrat who breaks from 154 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: them on the issue of abortion. I mean planned parent 155 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: who will go after you. They there's a ferociousness that 156 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: it enforces its dictates with. And so we'll have to 157 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: see if finally, I think the court decides that creating 158 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: a constitutional right out of thin air is you know, 159 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: that's a stain on the court. They kept talking about 160 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: how will the how will the institution survive? I remember, 161 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: I mean even hearing a very left wing a law 162 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: professor in college, they call it law and jurisprudence of 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: my school, talking about how, look, it's not good law. 164 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: He would say, I think row was great. Every not 165 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: good law. That's right. Everyone kind of knows that, and 166 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: so saying oh, but but but no, actually this never 167 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: should have been what the court did. They were wrong 168 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: on the implications over the long term. That's why the 169 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: fifty years matter so much, because we've seen what's actually happened. 170 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: And for conservatives out there, I mean, I think this 171 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: is a moment where you got to ask yourself, you know, 172 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: if we don't conserve life, what are we conserving. And 173 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: one of my frustrations has been in conservative media now 174 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: for over a decade. I guess Clay time flies. People 175 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: always say, you know, you talk about abortion. They turned 176 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: the dial. You talk about abortion, they changed the channel. 177 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: We're not conserving life. I don't really know what we're 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: even showing up to do on as a conservative in 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: the media. I mean, this is a central issue, and 180 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: finally it seems there may be some real headway toward 181 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: toward justice. A couple of things here, one calling people 182 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: who oppose abortion white supremacist, given that the overwhelming numbers 183 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: from a per capita basis of abortions are occurring our minorities, right, 184 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:07,599 Speaker 1: So it's a straining of white supremacy on an incredible 185 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: level to argue that white supremacy is actually protecting minority life. 186 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Right for that argument. But the other thing I would 187 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: say here, Buck is there is a lot of histrionics 188 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: on this argument. I think it's important to put in 189 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: context what would happen. Like, I don't think that they're 190 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: going to overturn Roe v. Wade and Casey, but if 191 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: this did, they could. If they did, it would not 192 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: end abortion in the United States. It would return this 193 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: decision to state legislatures and governors, and many states would 194 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: say abortion is not legal. Twelve of them instantaneously, mostly 195 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: red states would say you can't do it in our state. 196 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: But all of the Blue states arguably would be able 197 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: to make abortion even more lenient than it might be now. 198 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,439 Speaker 1: So it doesn't end. There's this argument out there, Oh 199 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 1: my god, you'd never Abortions would never exist in the 200 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: country anymore. It would change everything. No, No, every state 201 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: would have the right to make their own decision, but 202 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: the states, the blue states that would continue with this 203 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have the backstopping. Not just on a llegal but 204 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: on a moral level of the Supreme Court has said 205 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: this is a constitutional right. You know, states can do 206 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: a lot of things. States actually, constitutionally, it can do 207 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things that I think are when we're 208 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: seeing some of this with COVID doing things that are 209 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 1: anti liberty, doing things that don't make sense. But they 210 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: do have a lot of powers. But a state that 211 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: takes it upon itself to let's say, make abortion legal 212 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: at any stage of a presidency, which of a justice, 213 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, yes, at any stage of a pregnancy, 214 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: pardon me, that's the word I was looking for. That 215 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: would be one that would then have to have people 216 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: looking at themselves in the mirror and say, why does 217 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: Texas outlaw this? Why does Mississippi not allow this at all? 218 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: It changes for a lot of people the moral certainty 219 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: that they want to have about this as a constitutional right. 220 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 1: Which look, what people think of the issue that it's 221 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: a constitutional right as a flat absurdity. I mean, that's 222 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: what I think started to come across today a little 223 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: bit to people who are really paying attention in the 224 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: oral arguments, no doubt, and I think bucka it also 225 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: adds to the anger because you're not able to do 226 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: it through a legislative process. 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Clay just 252 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: pointed out to be the break that Canada is now 253 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: instituting vaccine passports for travel on planes and trains. Right, 254 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: that's where this is. You're now automobiles if you're not 255 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: vaccinated you know, Canada, or electric scooters. I'm just saying, 256 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: not checking the VAC passport on the electric scooter if 257 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: you still have it, because it hasn't been stolen from you. Um. 258 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: But to back to where we are here with the 259 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: conversation around omicron. M CNBC host Jim Kramer, who look, 260 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean everyone I know who understands finance always says 261 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: if you listen to these guys, you don't understand finance. 262 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, if you like, take their advice 263 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: seriously all the time, but here he is going way 264 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 1: outside his mandate to tell you stocks by cell by cell, 265 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: to say, the Federal Guard, you know what I'm actually 266 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: not going to do with justice by trying to explain 267 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: what Jim Kramer of CNBC wants to happen to everybody 268 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to vaccines, Let's hear Kramer say it. 269 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: How do we finally put an into this pandemic? Simple? 270 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: The fed boot government needs to require vaccines, including booster 271 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: shots for everyone in America by say genuine for this 272 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 1: charade must end. We have immuno compromise people who are 273 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: inc vaters. For every variant to come walking around wawfully unvaccinated, 274 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: that's psychotic. So it's time to admit that we have 275 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: to go to war against COVID, acquire vaccination universally, have 276 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: a military run it. If you don't want to get vaccinated, 277 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: you better be ready to prove your conscience just object 278 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: or status in court. Clay, can I just say, as 279 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: much as we're sitting here aghast at this notion, a 280 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: couple of things strike me. One is that, as you know, 281 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: and we discussed this, it wouldn't even end even if 282 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: you did. If you got a whole. If you got 283 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: one hundred percent of the United States to get vaccinated, 284 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: you're not getting one hundred percent of the world to 285 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: get vaccinated. There would still be variant, there would still 286 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: be COVID. By the way, coronaviruses have animal reservoirs too, 287 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: which no one ever talks about, but people who are 288 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: actual epidemiologists will point out and say, hey, another thing, 289 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: Australia is actually kind of doing what Jim Kramer's saying. 290 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: I mean, at some level right there, they're actually enforcing 291 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: quarantine camps. They track people down who leave the state 292 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: run quarantine camps in Australia like criminals. Clay, I think 293 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: the key here is I don't know whether, first of all, 294 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: it's it's an absolutely ludicrous idea. He also said that 295 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: if you don't get vaccinated, you have to be basically 296 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: in home confined, and he was reading this. It appears 297 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: if you watch the video buck off of a prompter. 298 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: It's not like he was just coming up with it 299 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: on the fly, which would still be dumb, but at 300 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: least it's live television. Maybe he just got on a 301 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: tangent and he wasn't anticipating where he was going to 302 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: end up. But this is the thing that is so frustrating, 303 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: and I know you and I have preached it to 304 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: this audience. The idea of one hundred percent vaccination doesn't 305 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: change anything. Look, Lebron James is double vaccinated. He just 306 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: tested positive for COVID. The head coach of the Dallas Cowboys, 307 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, is double vaccinated. He just tested positive for COVID. 308 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: These are prominent people. The reason why I mentioned athletes 309 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: because they're being tested and because they're obviously more likely 310 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: to be have stories written about them and everything else. 311 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: We know by looking at states like Vermont, and by 312 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: looking at states like New Hampshire which are setting close 313 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: to records of hospitalization despite massive vaccination rates, we can't 314 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: vaccinate ourselves out of this COVID pandemic. It's not going 315 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: to happen. And so all these people making arguments, like 316 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: Jim Kramer, are throwing away their liberty and they're giving 317 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: it up without even receiving any security in exchange for it. 318 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: And as I've said, folks, they're not done. You see 319 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: this already with what's going on in Canada now, with 320 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: the transportation vaccination mandate. You're already hearing people say, why 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: have all these rules? Why have all these different things 322 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: that go into effect here in preparation for omicron? If 323 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: you're not going to make people who get on planes 324 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: have vaccination cards, right, why do you have them for 325 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: restaurants in New York City but not planes? They're not 326 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: done Clay, and it started in La as well, Buck. 327 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: So I don't know if we mentioned this on the 328 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: show earlier this week, but now in order to go 329 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: to a bar, restaurant, movie theater, Jim in LA you 330 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: have to have your vaccine card. I want to save 331 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: you some money for the holidays. 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By 351 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: the way, I encourage you to go download podcasts, subscribe, 352 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: make sure that you don't miss a single moment. I've 353 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: been in media for a while now, Buck, you've been 354 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: talking about how you did ten years in media so far. 355 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: I believe neither one of us has ever been suspended, 356 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: which gives us one step up on our good friend 357 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo. I believe one of us has been banned 358 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: for life, however, and I am jealous. I am jealous 359 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: of that band that is that is worth mentioning. While 360 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: I have not been suspended, I have been banned for 361 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: life from ever appearing on CNN. So that's a pretty 362 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: that's maybe more substantial than us. It's like, that's like 363 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,199 Speaker 1: being banned from the People's Republic of North Korea or 364 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: something like that's a great honor. Well, it's really funny 365 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 1: when you consider the guys that they actually employ, like 366 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: our buddy Tuban, who tubaned himself while while hanging out 367 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: with workers on Zoom. But what's interesting here is Chris 368 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: Cuomo worked to defend his brother in the face of 369 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: the sexual harassment discussions. And now the details of the 370 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 1: New York Attorney General's investigation have come out, and I 371 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: want to play first this flashback clip. This was Chris Cuomo, 372 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: by the way, if you haven't heard, has been indefinitely 373 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: suspended from CNN. That's what I was hinting at talking 374 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: about the suspensions. To begin the discussion here. He apologized 375 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: for his involvement back in May when these details first broke. 376 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: Now that they are more substantial, CNN said, hey, we 377 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: have to suspend you. Let's play cut eleven. This is 378 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: a unique and difficult situation, and that's okay. I know 379 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: where the line is. I can respect it and still 380 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: be there for my family, which I must. I have 381 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: to do that. I love my brother I love my family, 382 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: I love my job, and I love and respect my 383 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: colleagues here CNN, and again to them, I am truly sorry. 384 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: You know who I am, you know what I'm about, 385 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: and I want this to be said in public that's 386 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: now basically been proven to be untrue, and I want 387 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: to play this cut and then I'm curious what you 388 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: think about this. CNN only talked about it one time 389 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: on air yesterday when they suspended him. I believe it 390 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: was during Anderson Cooper. They expanded Anderson Cooper's show to 391 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: two hours. Here is what Anderson Cooper said, cut twelve. 392 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 1: Some news now about this network and involves Chris Cuomo, 393 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: the host of Cuomo Prime Time. New documents released this 394 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: week indicated that Chris was more intimately involved and previously 395 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: known in helping his brother, former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, 396 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,360 Speaker 1: craft a defense amid a flurry of sexual misconduct allegations. 397 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: Here's a statement released tonight from a CNN spokesperson. When 398 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: Chris admitted to us that he had offered advice to 399 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: his brother's staff, he broke our rules and we acknowledged 400 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: that publicly, but we also appreciated the unique position he 401 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: was in and understood his need to put family first 402 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: in job second. Over, these documents point to a greater 403 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: level of involvement in his brother's efforts, and we previously knew, 404 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,400 Speaker 1: the spokesperson added. As a result, we have suspended Chris 405 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: and definitely pending further evaluation. What do you think, Buck, 406 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: You've got two brothers, I've got three kids, three boys. 407 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: I think about it now in the context of that situation. 408 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 1: That's kind of how Tucker and Sean Hannity both addressed 409 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: it on their shows. What do you think, Well, first 410 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: of all, yeah, your family's more important to you than 411 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: your professional consideration as a general should be should be 412 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: more important than those professional considerations in a general sense. 413 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: But but my I mean, there's so much here right 414 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: as somebody who saw a bit of CNN from the inside, 415 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 1: and that I'm fond of pointing out, they actually wanted 416 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: me to stay there, and I was like, I'm getting 417 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: the heck out of this place. I'm never coming back. 418 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: So I'm not quite banned, but I'm definitely not welcome 419 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: in the building anymore, even after they offered to try 420 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: to pay me to keep me around. So I decided 421 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: to clay or rather, when you look at this, you 422 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: see that CNN still pretends to be a news organization. 423 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: That's that's the fundamental problem, right You and I can 424 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: come on the air and say I like this person, 425 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: I don't like that person, I support this politician. CNN 426 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: plays this game of the gold standard of journalism. Well, 427 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: when you have that and add it on top, excuse me, 428 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: add it on top of that, you have a circumstance 429 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: where you have people who are very pro me too movement, 430 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: who are very involved in pretending to care about that issue, 431 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 1: and then you have one of your star anchors who 432 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: really was their biggest ratings draw for a long time, 433 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: saying things, doing things like this behind the scenes to 434 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: possibly pressure maybe even undermine, you know, Bill Clinton style, 435 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: undermine the accusers. That's just too much. And in the 436 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: background of all this too, you have his brother who 437 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: he's defending, who really, as far as the leftist concerned, 438 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: is standing in the way of the first African American 439 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: female governor of New York. So there was also a 440 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: political element and dynamic to this too. But I don't 441 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: think he's gone forever by the way, I think they're 442 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: gonna tube in him, which actually sounds really bad, but 443 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, that sorry, um, And 444 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 1: I think it's an interesting question because what's what what's 445 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: intriguing to me? And I don't watch CNN, I know 446 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: you occasionally flip it on to see kind of how 447 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: they they're covering news stories, and we'll talk about that 448 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: sometimes at CNN dot com and things such as that. 449 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 1: It appears to me that CNN is trying to pivot 450 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: in a big way from the far left wing woke universe, 451 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: and even we talked about this, I think last week 452 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: Chris Cuomo came out and on his show last week 453 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 1: ripped the idea of tearing apart the idea of Thanksgiving, 454 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: which which was ironic because the Don Lemons of the 455 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: world have certainly gone so far left wing, and Chris 456 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: Cuomo had followed him that it sounded even a different 457 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: tone for them to say, Hey, you know what, it's 458 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: fine to celebrate Thanksgiving. And I don't know what they're 459 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: going to do with Chris Cuomo because this internest in 460 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: warfare over me too. How can he cover me to 461 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 1: again if he has been undermining on behalf of his brother, 462 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: all of the women that we're trying to accuse Andrew 463 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: Cuomo of impropriety. I mean, fundamentally, CNN has to cling 464 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: to the illusion for its audience. Its audience likes to 465 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: believe that what they're getting is journalism. As laughable as 466 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: that is. To anybody who has perspective and understanding of 467 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: what CNN is and is all about, oft think it's funny. 468 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: There are these stories about how angry Jake Tapper is 469 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: because he always attaches himself to being the gold standard 470 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: of journalism over at CNN. I wonder where all these 471 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: angry Jake Tapper stories are coming from that the media's 472 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: picked up over the Daily Mail in other places about 473 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,639 Speaker 1: how Chris Cuomo is undermined. I mean, this is the 474 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Russia collusion hoax factory, my friends. This is a place 475 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 1: that sends reporters to go harass private citizens at their 476 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: own homes because they were part of like a you know, 477 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,719 Speaker 1: a Russian bought Facebook group or something. CNN is completely 478 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: out of its mind as an organization. It has no ethics. 479 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: It was part of the Kavanaugh smear campaign, on the 480 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: vanguard really of the Kavanaugh smear campaign. And what you 481 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: see here is they got a lot of people running 482 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: around who still want to cling to the old notion 483 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,960 Speaker 1: that what they do is journalism. It's not. It's fundamentally 484 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 1: a propagandistic organization. But Chris Cuomo, the problem is he 485 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: has embarrassed them. It's not that he's unethical or a 486 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: bad guy. He embarrassed CNN because it's too obvious that 487 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: the party line that what they do there is journalism 488 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 1: is untrue and embarrassment is the one thing even a 489 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: little Jeff Zucker does not like over there. That's even 490 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: if your buddies with him. You can't embarrass the network. 491 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: And that's what's going on here. Well, the woke play 492 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: if CNN followed the woke playbook, would be Chris Quomo 493 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: gets fired and they replace him with a minority woman, right, 494 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: That would be the come upance. That would be the 495 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: CNN woke playbook. I don't know who they have that 496 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: could host a show to replace Chris Cuomo, because I'm 497 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: sure he's making them a decent amount of money. But 498 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: if they went full woke buck, that is the direction 499 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: that they would go. We'll continue to break this down 500 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,439 Speaker 1: and keep you updated on it. In the meantime, we've 501 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: learned a lot since twenty twenty, and one of those 502 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: things is powerful immune system. It's a really big deal. 503 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: That's why you nude Texas Superfood fifty five vine ripen 504 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables, plus probiotics and digestive enzymes. You can 505 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: build your body's defense from the inside out. Doctor Black, 506 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: who invented Texas Superfood over twenty years ago, wants you 507 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: to know that your immune system's job is to detect, deflect, 508 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: and destroy bacteria you come in contact with, which is 509 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: why Texas Superfood boost your immune system better than anything 510 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 1: on the market. Your grandma guess what buck She told 511 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 1: you to eat your fruits and veggies, but how many 512 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: people don't. How can you hook yourself up with Texas Superfood, 513 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 1: the safety net for the American diet. Start boosting your 514 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 1: immune system for under two dollars a day. Go to 515 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: Texas for Food dot com slash book or call eight 516 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: five five Texas fifty five. That's Texas Superfood dot com 517 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: slash book or call eight five five Texas fifty five. 518 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,959 Speaker 1: I think we're we are working in close coordination with 519 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: leaders in Congress Democrats and Republicans to ensure the government 520 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: stays open. Let's just take a step back and think 521 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: about the absurdity of that call. They're calling for the 522 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 1: government to shut down, prevents essential services from going out 523 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: to people across the country because they're upset about our 524 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: efforts to save people's lives. I'll just leave that there 525 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: and see if any Republicans on the hell agree with that. 526 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Clay and Buck show. There you had 527 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Jen Saki telling everybody that Republicans 528 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: are upset about efforts to save lives, because that's really 529 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: what's going on here. Sure, that's the situation. There are 530 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: some talk now among Republicans that they would be willing 531 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: to go into a government shutdown to and the Biden 532 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: vaccine mandate. Let's also point out that there is there 533 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: have been several federal courts that have stepped in now 534 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: to say the Biden vaccine mandate goes too far. Using 535 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: OSHA to force essentially a nationwide vaccine mandate is unconstitutional. 536 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: And one job I believe this was a fitth Circuit 537 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 1: Judge Right Clay just came down and put in a 538 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: I'd said the word the words universal injunction a few 539 00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: times in recent weeks. Universal injunction across the country not 540 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: to put into effect the vaccine mandate. And there's also 541 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: the reporting that the Biden administration wasn't going to enforce 542 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: this stuff till after the holiday anyway, right, so they 543 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: were going to make sure that there was no action 544 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: taken against federal employees during the holiday that would seem 545 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: a little too maybe mandate ebenez or Scrooge like. So 546 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: here we have Saki saying that they're upset about people 547 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: trying to save live. Of course, this is you know, 548 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: this is the kind of hyperbole that you can expect 549 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: from Democrats now on this. But keep in mind that 550 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: I I don't understand Clay, excuse me, I don't understand 551 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: why as we look at this, we don't have people 552 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: understanding that the booster is going to have to be 553 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: a moral issue for people too. Right, So if you 554 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: think you're vaccinated and you're good, No, you're actually going 555 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: to get lectures about how you're reckless because you don't 556 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: have a booster. That's right. That's where we're headed. And 557 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: who knows exactly where this is going to go before 558 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: all is said and done, because fuck, I mean, this 559 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 1: is kind of crazy. But there's an expectation now that 560 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: when you come into the country. This is from CNN's 561 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: Caitlin Collins. Top officials are considering requiring everyone who enters 562 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: the US, by the way, everybody except people who come 563 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: across the southern border. We should mention get tested the 564 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: day before their flight and have all people, including US citizens, 565 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: test again after returning home, regardless of vac status. This 566 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: from the Washington Post, and they're talking about people who 567 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: come in from out of country having to go to 568 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: their houses and quarantine for a full week or more. 569 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: This is crazy, and buck it's significant in that, you know, 570 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: we were talking about off air. I was scheduled with 571 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: my family to go to Puerto Rico around Christmas. We 572 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: were going to get away and go somewhere warm. But 573 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: that's still the United States technically. But I'm so concerned 574 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: about what rules are going to be put in place 575 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to Florida instead. Like, I don't want 576 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: to leave the continental United States because I think they 577 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: are going to be some pretty draconian restrictions put on. Yeah, 578 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: I planned my vacation this year, and you know which, 579 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: my birthday coincides with. Yeah, four zero in Florida, because 580 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not going to some foreign country 581 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: where they might lock me into some quarantine facility for 582 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: ten days. That doesn't sound like that much fun way 583 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: to spend a vacation. But Claya, Behind all this, there's 584 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: also the recognition they don't want to talk about it 585 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: this way, but the recognition that the vaccines do not 586 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,160 Speaker 1: they may lessen, they do not stop the spread of 587 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: the virus. Yes, they don't talk about that very much, 588 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: but clearly that's why all these other measures are also necessary, right, 589 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if the vaccine was highly effective at stopping 590 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: all infection, this is about breakthrough infections. Now we still 591 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: we still have to say that for those at high risk, 592 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: those who are have comorbidities, it protects at a pretty good, 593 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: pretty high level from hospitalization and death. In terms of 594 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: stopping the spread, we have to get boosters because it 595 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: doesn't stop the spread very well. Obviously, now how well 596 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: we don't really know. But they're directing policies now based 597 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: upon the observable phenomenon you just said, Lebron James as 598 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: COVID after being double vaccinated. Ye, people are getting it 599 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: and spreading it who are vaccinated and not one or 600 00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: two people, lots of people. Our friend doctor McCarry shared 601 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: a Johns Hopkins physician shared a story I believe it 602 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: was of the a study inside of a prison to 603 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: compare rate of spread for people who were double vaccinated 604 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: and people who had not been vaccinated, and they found 605 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: that the virus spread just as months much from the 606 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: vaccinated as from the unvaccinated. So this idea that we 607 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: have a pandemic or the unvaccinated, or that only unvaccinated 608 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: people have been causing the spread of COVID is a 609 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: why that is not supported by any statistical measure of 610 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: data at all, and Matt I think is fairly significant. 611 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,719 Speaker 1: McCarry will be with us on Monday, by the way, 612 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: doctor McCarry, to talk about all these issues, because this 613 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: is now where we're in another phase where the Fauchiites 614 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: are changing not just the narrative but also the policies, 615 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: and they want you to forget about where we were 616 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: for the last three months, right this summer. It was well, 617 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,760 Speaker 1: there's so many cases, it's all. It was a pandemic 618 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: of the unvaccine. That's what they was. That that was 619 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: the Biden line, that was the presidence of the United 620 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: States and Fauccin all the rest of them. Now it's 621 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: everybody get the booster, even if you're vaccinated. Well, gee, 622 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: why is that the case. I thought it was a 623 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: pandemic just of the unvaccinated. They're moving the goalposts again, 624 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: and we see that this is going to result in 625 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: a lot of restrictions because I remember, they'll do they'll 626 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: do preventative stuff. They're doing it in New York by 627 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 1: the way. I don't know if the new governor is 628 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,439 Speaker 1: worse than Cuomo, but it's getting pretty close these days. 629 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: I mean, she's not grabbing at ladies but that we 630 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: know of, but she is doing bad things like getting 631 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: rid of hospitals, elective surgeries in some places, you know, 632 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: putting a pause on that in preparation for the omicron 633 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: variant and everything we've seen out of South Africa. By 634 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: the way, it doesn't come from South Africa. It's already 635 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: in dozens of star for Europe. It's all over the place. Yeah, 636 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: we don't know where this thing started. We don't know 637 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 1: who it began with. We don't know where it started. Obviously, 638 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: we're never really going to find that out. But they 639 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: have a pretty rigorous public health system in South Africa 640 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: that looked at this and identified it, And everything we've 641 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: heard so far is that the omicron variant is pretty 642 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: mild as a COVID strength so far. That's what you know. 643 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: You know, they can clip this in two months. Oh 644 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: my god, ohmicron is horrible. But that's what they've told 645 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: us as of right now. So if that's the case, 646 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,680 Speaker 1: why are we already ramping up all the other all 647 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: the other so called mitigation measures, indoor masking requirements now 648 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: coming in more and more places. Why we've been talking 649 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 1: about variants and mutations. I think that's an important part 650 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 1: buck of this discussion, as if they could only make 651 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:27,880 Speaker 1: things worse. The reality is most viruses don't continue to 652 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,760 Speaker 1: mutate and get worse. They become less virulent over time. 653 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: So if this new variant out of South Africa, where 654 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,439 Speaker 1: we at least acknowledge that it initially was recognized, if 655 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 1: it actually is less virulent in terms of creating significant 656 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: health issues, it actually might be positive because it might 657 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,680 Speaker 1: start to knock Delta out and it will lead us 658 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: to even more herd immunity. We don't know, but that's 659 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: at least what they're saying in South Africa the people 660 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,120 Speaker 1: who have studied this variant the most. We have our 661 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: friend Shannon Brien from Fox News, who's covering the Supreme 662 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: Court case very closely joining us. Schedule to join us 663 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: in the middle of the next hour. So we're looking 664 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: forward to talking to Shannon, super sharp legal mind, great lady, 665 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 1: and we also have more for you on where the 666 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: restrictions are going, what we know about omicron Clay. New 667 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: York City has opened its first legal drug injection sizes. 668 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: You've seen the wire right there was the what was 669 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: it to was a hamster dam they called it or 670 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: something right, the legalized Corridor for drugs. We are looking 671 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: at that happening in New York City right now. Given 672 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: what's going on with crime and everything else, how do 673 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: you think this is gonna go? We'll talk about that 674 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: and more. Come like a bad idea you're listening to, 675 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: Clay Travis said, Buck Sexton Fund the EIB Network