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Speaker 1: now your hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips
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Speaker 1: Again an offseason edition of your favorite show on Dallas
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Speaker 1: side today in Dallas, but that's okay. We're still going
Speaker 1: to talk about it. Yes, sir, when do we go
Speaker 1: get out pitches of you and blue bonnets? Its blue
Speaker 1: bonnets season? Man? You know, are you laying in the
Speaker 1: blue butnets with both mands under the little cards angles crossed?
Speaker 1: We're gonna get a rock pe island post. That is
Speaker 1: like a thing I like to do in springtime. Yes,
Speaker 1: I like to lay in the bonnet. I need to
Speaker 1: see Rob Pie laying down, hands under the chin angles,
Speaker 1: cross them they I'll tell you. Can we we have
Speaker 1: house picture, we have talking cowboys. Fans out there that
Speaker 1: are proficient with photoshot. Can. I want as many renditions
Speaker 1: of imagery as possible, now at quit as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: I want Rob Philip's face plastered all over somebody sitting
Speaker 1: in blue bonnets. It's a great has to be. I
Speaker 1: want as many of them as possible. Has to be
Speaker 1: Rob Pi on Rob Pie Island laying in a whole time.
Speaker 1: It's a Rob Pe Island in a blue yes season,
Speaker 1: what what did we start here? What did you start here?
Speaker 1: I'm not watching. He would love doing that, of course
Speaker 1: he was. Internet is undefeated, by the way, so I'm
Speaker 1: looking forward. I was gonna say, let's get him a
Speaker 1: clean shot. Just spelling your camera real quick there Rob
Speaker 1: with Yeah, there he goes. He's like he's taking a down.
Speaker 1: He's doing everything you guys, can you finish right here?
Speaker 1: A job blue bonnet? Oh nice? That the rails right away? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was good. Get joke. By the way, I've got
Speaker 1: a shout out a friend of the show Jerry Smith
Speaker 1: was out at Kroger last night and I guess I
Speaker 1: shouldn't say that at a grocery store last night, and
Speaker 1: he stopped me and he goes, hey, like, we love
Speaker 1: I love your show. He was a big fan of
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys. He's been like a day one listener, even
Speaker 1: before we were on the show. When when when it
Speaker 1: was Bill and Mickey and you and everybody involved, and
Speaker 1: he said he loves the show, wanted us to pass
Speaker 1: it along, and real nice guy, glad he took the
Speaker 1: time to say hi. So I thought i'd give him
Speaker 1: a shout. Was that a subtle brack right there? The
Speaker 1: little flex flex? I mean they recognize, they recognize you, right, No,
Speaker 1: they actually recognized Lorena, who's by the way, it's her
Speaker 1: twenty eighth birthday to day, Well, happy birthday, all right,
Speaker 1: and so he was like, yeah, it's your birthday, and
Speaker 1: so she's the real celebrity. Honestly, I mean, obviously no
Speaker 1: flex on my side, but because your lady now, so
Speaker 1: it was it was subtle, subtle. He's so deflecting right now.
Speaker 1: Did you see He's like he's definitely playing pongo And
Speaker 1: I got a birthday shout out? In there as well.
Speaker 1: I like that Happy birthday. Lorena points. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: had a fun run in with him yesterday right AfterAll Chris. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got turned my hip to give him too, because
Speaker 1: that was a double women he wanted to work in
Speaker 1: the show and there there you go. Yeah, very good.
Speaker 1: Well that it was her birthday. The birthday song from
Speaker 1: Chris in the background. That's awesome. Is so much trouble
Speaker 1: like so glowing back. All right, let's talk Cowboys. Since
Speaker 1: that is the name of the podcast. We will talk
Speaker 1: about the Dallas Cowboys as something we got an hour.
Speaker 1: You know, it's two weeks of the draft. We got
Speaker 1: the time to talk. Few weeks till the draft. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk plenty of draft. We're gonna talk about what
Speaker 1: have the Cowboys done to this point. It's a kind
Speaker 1: of set up their draft strategy. But rob news and notes.
Speaker 1: We have a fullback on the roster again, the guy
Speaker 1: give us some news and notes. What happened back? I
Speaker 1: told you they might not be done and I told you,
Speaker 1: I told you. Ryan Nall has joined the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: one year contract. Ryan no veteran running back. He was
Speaker 1: listed as a running back with the Bears. The Cowboys
Speaker 1: view him as a fullback and probably most importantly, a
Speaker 1: special teams guy. Joined the ninety man roster and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, and and give bones Fossil a core special
Speaker 1: teams guy to compete for a roster spot. You know,
Speaker 1: they didn't use a lot of fullback. I mean they
Speaker 1: used the macpackage with Connor McGovern a little bit last season.
Speaker 1: But I think by and Lars this was probably a
Speaker 1: special team signing. Yeah, because they lost a special teamer
Speaker 1: in Malik Turner, another news and note boom before Isaiah
Speaker 1: What you got talk about him? Liked him? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean I mean, I mean touchdowns? Did he have three? Yeah? Listen,
Speaker 1: I mean special teams contributions of course. I mean, but
Speaker 1: he also came in there and he was a valuable
Speaker 1: asset at receiver. Regardless of the garbage time, whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, the game, it doesn't matter. He
Speaker 1: still has to go out there, run routes and catch
Speaker 1: balls over professionals. Right, I mean, so, I mean you let,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you allow and and I obviously
Speaker 1: stood on the mountain top as soon as they signed him,
Speaker 1: I said, that's a heck of a signing, right, they
Speaker 1: snuck him. They snuck him because he's he's he's a
Speaker 1: he's an asset offensively, he as you, gives you some
Speaker 1: depth offensively that you can actually depend on. He's also
Speaker 1: a core special teamer like core, not just uh just
Speaker 1: every so often contributor, Like, no, that's a guy that
Speaker 1: we need him on the field, Like where the heck
Speaker 1: is hey at? You know what impact is he gonna have?
Speaker 1: I don't know how you allow him to freaking walk off? Man.
Speaker 1: Now the question is priority. You know, why why didn't
Speaker 1: this guy get prioritized? And I think you know, obviously
Speaker 1: for everyone in Cowboy Nation right now, the bigger question
Speaker 1: is like what do we do it? If they want
Speaker 1: to know? Because when you let Amari Cooper, uh, Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson and now I'm Alik Turner with and just looking
Speaker 1: at Malik and said, as far as on the special
Speaker 1: team side of it, you come back to the answer
Speaker 1: to that is null. Obviously, there are a lot of
Speaker 1: missing pieces right now, and no one feels comfortable with
Speaker 1: the direction this thing is going. So something major has
Speaker 1: to be getting ready to go down. I mean major,
Speaker 1: Like what I don't that have to be to consider
Speaker 1: it on the Richter scale of being made Ricky of
Speaker 1: the Year has to be Ricky of the Year. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Something. Something has to be going down. I
Speaker 1: mean because to your point, you know, you just lost
Speaker 1: two receivers. Both of them are huge contributors on special
Speaker 1: teams and let's not even talk about how they fill
Speaker 1: out your depth on you at the receiver position. And
Speaker 1: you know obviously some of the other things that have
Speaker 1: transpired in this offseason, but you know, those are these
Speaker 1: three receivers gone, three receivers gone, two of them, which
Speaker 1: you're you know, like I said, core special teamers. How
Speaker 1: are you going to feel these voys? I mean, at
Speaker 1: this point, you're rolling the dice and you're hoping right,
Speaker 1: and you're depending on your scout in the department and
Speaker 1: all those guys that get paid to do this watch film.
Speaker 1: I get it right, those guys have a job to
Speaker 1: do and they do it well. However, it's still a
Speaker 1: question mark as you're going into the draft and some
Speaker 1: of these guys that we're letting go a you know,
Speaker 1: I you know, Malie Turner type of guys like those
Speaker 1: are easier guys to sign and secure, Like you don't
Speaker 1: let those guys go because they're not going to cost
Speaker 1: you a lot of money. You can rely on them.
Speaker 1: They're very dependable, right, they're contributors. Why would you let
Speaker 1: those guys go to somebody that you're probably gonna face
Speaker 1: down the road like San Francisco, Like you just don't
Speaker 1: let those guys go. It was a one year deal
Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers. Was there money on that
Speaker 1: at all announced? Yet? I didn't see money on it either.
Speaker 1: But I was just looking up his stats, and you know,
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about how efficient Cedric Wilson was
Speaker 1: for this team the last few years. Ye. Pretty efficient
Speaker 1: season for Malik Turner when you look at he played
Speaker 1: in fourteen games last year. He played only one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six snaps on offense, and he had he
Speaker 1: had twelve catches one hundred forty nine yards, And he
Speaker 1: said three touchdowns plus core special teams guy. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's um touchdowns is hurt? Yeah? Pretty good? Pretty good?
Speaker 1: Pretty efficient? Um. You know, they drafted Simi Phohoko, they
Speaker 1: spent a draft pick invested in him, and so your
Speaker 1: hope is that he takes a step forward. And I
Speaker 1: think I keep saying this, I mean I think they're
Speaker 1: pretty confident that they can draft a guy in the
Speaker 1: first whatever rounds, three rounds, four rounds and get a
Speaker 1: guy and develop him, and he can he can be
Speaker 1: an immediate contributor. And I think something that stands out
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Yes, we are going to talk
Speaker 1: Simi Phohoko here in second Isaiah, we may want to
Speaker 1: keep drinking that water bottle. Uh talking about the efficiency
Speaker 1: and touchdowns in the back end of it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he was targeted sixteen times, he started sixteen times, and
Speaker 1: eight of those resulted in first downs. So he didn't
Speaker 1: catch four passes, and he's still two thirds of his
Speaker 1: his grabs came for the first down or went to
Speaker 1: at least ten yards. That's something to know. He was
Speaker 1: a reliable guy late in the game or even in
Speaker 1: the middle of the game if he really needed him
Speaker 1: to to throw him the football, and he didn't cost
Speaker 1: a whole lot, and he was what he was your
Speaker 1: number six, right, he was your number six receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe argue that he was ahead of Noah Brown by
Speaker 1: the end of the year. You could argue that, but
Speaker 1: I agree with you. He's five or six either way,
Speaker 1: and he still had some efficiency to his game. Just look, guys,
Speaker 1: is the riding on the wall that this is Simi
Speaker 1: phohoko time. Though. Let's let's let's pour out a little
Speaker 1: liquor right now for Malie Turner, play a little taps.
Speaker 1: It's all a wit. I mean, we've got to get
Speaker 1: this ship moving and in the way that everybody's ship moving. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got to get it moving. That's a nautical because
Speaker 1: right now it seems like sabotage offseason, you know it
Speaker 1: really does. What are we what are we trying to do?
Speaker 1: Are we building this thing towards the Los Angeles Rams
Speaker 1: way of just come in and sign and do it
Speaker 1: the way you want to spend all the money you want.
Speaker 1: That's not what we're doing this offseason. There are guys
Speaker 1: that we didn't prioritize. He was the sixth receiver. You
Speaker 1: drafted semi phoco pretty high last year. You gotta get
Speaker 1: some bang for that. Buck can play that pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give him an opportunity to go earn it.
Speaker 1: It's not guaranteed, just like I don't think James Washington
Speaker 1: spot in the rotation is guaranteed. I think he's gonna
Speaker 1: be honest team. But he's got to go earn it
Speaker 1: because I fully expect they're going to draft a guy
Speaker 1: that's going to compete, and Michael Gallop will be back
Speaker 1: within the first month of the season, let's say regular season. Now,
Speaker 1: will he be Michael Gallop right away? That's a question mark,
Speaker 1: because I mean that's a serious injury. We're talking about Semifhoco.
Speaker 1: How much confidence one through ten to be that third guy,
Speaker 1: to be a guy who could come in and give
Speaker 1: you significant snaps late in the game. How much confidence
Speaker 1: do you have in him moving into this season? Kyle,
Speaker 1: I can tell you I don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: confidence in him. I didn't get an opportunity to see
Speaker 1: a lot of him in game action. Um is he
Speaker 1: What type of receiver is he? Kenny Block? Uh? Is
Speaker 1: he a masterful route runner? You know? What is? What
Speaker 1: is he? What is he like after the catch? All
Speaker 1: we have to go on is what he did at Stanford.
Speaker 1: Nothing in his rookie year is telling me that he's
Speaker 1: able to fill those shoes. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: everybody's kind of standing back, like, what the heck is this? Uh?
Speaker 1: But yeah, we know Noah Brown can block. We know
Speaker 1: he could catch. He may not be the your best
Speaker 1: yak receiver that you have, but still he still fits
Speaker 1: the bill. There. You have Dalton Schultz in the mold
Speaker 1: as well Fold as well as somebody you could throw
Speaker 1: the football to a little bit. But nobody wants to
Speaker 1: hear that. They don't want to hear those names. They
Speaker 1: want to hear now when they've had the weaponry that
Speaker 1: they got in the past, and they've been rumored to
Speaker 1: be at least poking around on a couple veterans who
Speaker 1: went to other teams, or Brandon Cook stayed where he's
Speaker 1: at Houston right, yes, and the Monte Parker wind up
Speaker 1: in New England they were rumored to kind of be.
Speaker 1: So it's obvious that they're looking. They're looking. They realize
Speaker 1: you don't just trade Amari Cooper and let Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: go and draft a receiver and signed James Washson and
Speaker 1: say we're good. Especially with Michael Gallup situation. They know
Speaker 1: they've got to get depth there. But the questions are
Speaker 1: well founded, man, because it's that is a lot to
Speaker 1: replace it. Yeah, and my questions they were semi for
Speaker 1: whole Koll obviously, but there was a lot of game
Speaker 1: film out there. We saw a lot in the preseason.
Speaker 1: I think he suited up for one, maybe two games.
Speaker 1: This year, he suited up for five games, most of
Speaker 1: it was on special teams. He didn't register a catch. Okay,
Speaker 1: got you, all right? And which is fine? All right,
Speaker 1: Which is fine, And that's all I would really expect
Speaker 1: out of him in this first year. However, what impact
Speaker 1: are you having on special teams? Right? Where are you
Speaker 1: playing on special teams? Are you just out there because
Speaker 1: they're like, man, we spend money on you when we
Speaker 1: got to find somewhere for you to go. Are you
Speaker 1: actually gonna be an impact guy on special teams? Are
Speaker 1: you going to be a cover guy that has actually
Speaker 1: inside and said about outside containment guy? Are you going
Speaker 1: to be on a kick return as an actual returner? Like?
Speaker 1: What is your impact on teams instead of just being
Speaker 1: a guy that's getting thrown in there because we put
Speaker 1: money on you. Also, what impact are you having offensively
Speaker 1: as a rookie drafted in his position? Okay, maybe you're
Speaker 1: not offensive contributor, but you have you damn sure better
Speaker 1: be a special team's contributor and somebody that everybody can
Speaker 1: rely on. And I don't. I didn't see that in camp.
Speaker 1: I didn't see that in his snaps during the season,
Speaker 1: and that's why my output on him, my outlook on
Speaker 1: him is low. Unless some things change this off season.
Speaker 1: There's always a whole off season for things to change,
Speaker 1: for your mentality, for you to watch film, for you
Speaker 1: to get coached, all those kind of things. He can
Speaker 1: come back a totally different player, but what I have
Speaker 1: seen of him to date does not give me the
Speaker 1: boat of confidence that he is going to be an
Speaker 1: impact player for this team in any capacity. Especially the
Speaker 1: type of receiver that he is. He doesn't fit this
Speaker 1: scheme how fit. He's big, he's heavy, he doesn't run
Speaker 1: very precise routes. From the things that I've seen, he's
Speaker 1: slow out of his break. He's not a guy. As
Speaker 1: we're going towards Kellen Moore's system where anybody can play anywhere,
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we're going to plug and play guys, right,
Speaker 1: Everybody has to be quick, right, no one, No one
Speaker 1: just ginormous receiver route there. Everybody has to be quick.
Speaker 1: Everybody's precise route runners, and everybody can catch the dog
Speaker 1: on ball and get vertical, not necessarily looking for a
Speaker 1: bunch of burners. Right, He's a juggernaut type of doo.
Speaker 1: If you let him get off the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: he's gonna build speed. He can beat you down the
Speaker 1: field that way. That's what he did in Stafford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what he did in Stafford. But that's not what
Speaker 1: this offense calls for you, right, This offense calls for
Speaker 1: you better be able to get off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: You better run him five to seven yard route, catch
Speaker 1: the ball and then split a defender and try to
Speaker 1: get a first down. Because he has the straight line speed. Mean,
Speaker 1: he has the four four three that he ran of
Speaker 1: course for the combine last year, and then he turned
Speaker 1: around then he didn't have the best ten yards split.
Speaker 1: He was probably middle of the pack. But he's not
Speaker 1: a good route runner either. So when he has to
Speaker 1: change direction and he has to kind of get going,
Speaker 1: he's not there. He's not that instinct. Yeah, offense, And
Speaker 1: that's why I said juggernaut, Right, he's a juggernaut guy.
Speaker 1: He has to build momentum. Right, He's a bigger, heavier guy.
Speaker 1: He runs heavy. When you watch him, at least for
Speaker 1: this past year, he runs heavy. That's the first thing
Speaker 1: that stood out of me. I mean, we were sitting
Speaker 1: out there watching the first OTA I believe it was,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's he's he's heavy. You know, he
Speaker 1: just runs heavy. Everything just looks like do do do do?
Speaker 1: And it just didn't get out of his breaks. And
Speaker 1: then when you watch him on special teams back then
Speaker 1: in OTAs in camp, he didn't seem like he wanted
Speaker 1: to have it be an impact guy on those states.
Speaker 1: He didn't seem like he was a guy who understood
Speaker 1: what his role was on that team at that particular time,
Speaker 1: who was who was determined and adamant about coming in
Speaker 1: there saying all right, I'm not gonna I'm not touching
Speaker 1: the field on offense, but I'm damn sure gonna make
Speaker 1: an impact. Especially I didn't feel that energy from him,
Speaker 1: and maybe that changes. Yeah, Isaiah just politically correctly buried
Speaker 1: Semi Fihoko. He's done that throughout the last two years.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Because of a juggernaut and
Speaker 1: then he goes through through So you talk about you
Speaker 1: said two things, right, you said he has four he
Speaker 1: has four or four or three straight line speed, right,
Speaker 1: but his ten yard splint wasn't great, right, So what
Speaker 1: does that mean? That means that your first team yards
Speaker 1: is kind of slow takes. If I know that you're
Speaker 1: as a defensive back, if I know that you're a
Speaker 1: heavier guy and that has a good straight line speed,
Speaker 1: I am not letting you off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: There's no clean release, yea. Yeah. And my whole thing
Speaker 1: is he's not guaranteed anything. I mean, if he can,
Speaker 1: if he can come out and earn a spot, awesome,
Speaker 1: maybe he can pick up the nine snaps a game
Speaker 1: that that maligue Turner played, and but you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he's not a If he can't play special teams, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard thing to do because you got
Speaker 1: to be able to do that at the back. That's
Speaker 1: how Noel Proud stayed here for like twelve years what
Speaker 1: feels like twelve years, you know. But I think will
Speaker 1: we feel better about this if they draft a receiver
Speaker 1: in the first round, second round, yes, third round, no, No,
Speaker 1: because that's not where their draft picks need to go
Speaker 1: in terms of what we say it last week, right,
Speaker 1: their draft picks need to go towards off as a line,
Speaker 1: because if you can't block the run. If you can't
Speaker 1: block the runnings game and if you can't protect deck,
Speaker 1: then nothing matters anyway. They need both. I think without question,
Speaker 1: those are the top most two glaring needs that they
Speaker 1: have going in And that brings me to the question
Speaker 1: that was on the rundown today anyways, was the fact
Speaker 1: that have the Cowboys done enough to allow them to
Speaker 1: take best player available? The last two drafts, they've looked
Speaker 1: at their board the way that it has fallen, and
Speaker 1: they've said, we can take the best player on our board.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty it was Ceedee Lamb. Twenty twenty one it
Speaker 1: was Michael Parsons, which one of those two guys would
Speaker 1: have been taken if they didn't have those needs already
Speaker 1: semi covered on the back end. I don't get that
Speaker 1: feeling this year they don't have the same liberty that
Speaker 1: they've had the last two years because there are so
Speaker 1: many holes. And Rob said it himself a second ago,
Speaker 1: was they have other things that they need. You can't
Speaker 1: have that BPA. It's gonna be a BPA best player
Speaker 1: available in the area of need. And I mean at
Speaker 1: the moment, that's the offensive line, right Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: especially at twenty four I mean, like, like we mentioned
Speaker 1: last week, corner was a position last year they didn't
Speaker 1: really address other than resigning Jordan Lewis, so you kind
Speaker 1: of felt like they needed to go do that early.
Speaker 1: There's always a position. I just feel like this year
Speaker 1: and maybe they disagree because they haven't been that active
Speaker 1: other than they have resigned a bunch of their guys.
Speaker 1: Ever resigned like a dozen of their own guys, which
Speaker 1: is important, but maybe they feel like they're they're covered
Speaker 1: more than it seems like on the outside, because I
Speaker 1: think you can look at receiver, you can look at obviously, guard,
Speaker 1: defensive end, edge, pass rusher, tight end, linebacker. You can
Speaker 1: go a lot of different directions and say, if they
Speaker 1: take a guy in the first few rounds at this position, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a need. You know, that's a need. I mean,
Speaker 1: they don't. They don't seem as covered going in as
Speaker 1: I feel like they have in past years. And the
Speaker 1: weird part about it is when you look at those
Speaker 1: those two drafts that you're talking about, the stars had
Speaker 1: to align for you to get Ceedee Lamb and Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: I mean, you take time Machine back last year, this
Speaker 1: time we're not talking about Micah the guy that literally
Speaker 1: failed to you, you trade it out of the spot
Speaker 1: with your with your enemies to then come back and
Speaker 1: get him later and he ends up being Defensive Rookie
Speaker 1: of the Year. So many things like that can happen
Speaker 1: this year as well. And I think that's what Jerry
Speaker 1: was saying. You know, if I have a CD Lamb
Speaker 1: fall to me or Michael Parsons fall to me, well,
Speaker 1: who are those guys in this draft? That's the really
Speaker 1: confusing part. And that's what's so masterful about this magazine
Speaker 1: that you wrote, is how the hell can anybody look
Speaker 1: at this draft one through thirty two and say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna fall like this Because there's so many of
Speaker 1: these players that are enigmatic, they're anomaly. They may have
Speaker 1: the body type and all those things, and you're basing
Speaker 1: projecting based off of their future. But who is your
Speaker 1: penic sewel? Who is you know? Who are those guys
Speaker 1: that are just can't miss guys at the top ten?
Speaker 1: I don't think you have that, and and I'm not
Speaker 1: probably five guys, and those five are gonna go in
Speaker 1: the top seven picks because even they're not consensus. There's
Speaker 1: like five guys up there that are like they're gonna
Speaker 1: be top five picks. But even then it's it's still
Speaker 1: wide open. And it's not a quarterback draft either. That's
Speaker 1: probably what throws a lot in where you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get five guys taking the first twelve picks at quarterback.
Speaker 1: That pushed down a lot of position. If you're lucky,
Speaker 1: you have three or four if you're lucky. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: have three quarterbacks in this in this draft that they're
Speaker 1: talking about. To me, don't even qualify for the first
Speaker 1: twenty picks, you know, and there's gonna be a team
Speaker 1: that's gonna jump out the cake and do that. Anyway. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is Tony Mandridge Troy Aikman
Speaker 1: kind of drafted and you're gonna have a bona fide
Speaker 1: bust and at the top five. But I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: how do these guys drafted? And if you're the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you're looking in your cupboard and saying, like, what do
Speaker 1: we need? I know we're from the outside looking in.
Speaker 1: We think they need everything, but they have an idea
Speaker 1: of how they're gonna play next year. You still have
Speaker 1: Kna McGovern, you still have tarn Steell. Those may not
Speaker 1: be names that you you want to hear, but those
Speaker 1: are your guys. Now, all right, we're gonna say offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: that's what we need. But what are we still in
Speaker 1: the hybrid tweener guy or we're going guard center? Are
Speaker 1: we saying monified we need a left tackle because that's
Speaker 1: another position? Yeah, we are. We need bonafide a left guard.
Speaker 1: This is how we're gonna shore up this position. Or
Speaker 1: as everybody work, when we're thinking one direction the front
Speaker 1: office is and we are going to get a stud
Speaker 1: in the middle of our defensive line or a linebacker.
Speaker 1: It's just so much to be answered, and the moves
Speaker 1: that they're not making is really what's confusing you the
Speaker 1: most because you're like, you have nobody in your wide
Speaker 1: receiver room, nobody. Is this a trade down draft for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys? Yes, unless they see a guy that they know,
Speaker 1: Like if Dan Quinn Mike McCarthy say, this is a
Speaker 1: guy that we have to have, We've identified and we
Speaker 1: have to have him, it may be a trade up draft.
Speaker 1: The last last time they did something like that was
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen with Travis Frederick. They were picking twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four Sharif Floyd was a guy that they were connected,
Speaker 1: and yeah, traded down, got an extra third, got Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams in the third round, and took Travis Frederick at
Speaker 1: thirty one. And I think it was in part because
Speaker 1: they thought they could get him there. But maybe it's
Speaker 1: a situation. We got a mailback question about that, like,
Speaker 1: if you feel like we can get our guy, or
Speaker 1: there's a group of clump of prospects that we feel
Speaker 1: good about getting any of them at whatever pick you
Speaker 1: trade down to, that's an option. I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: deeper draft because there's more prospects this year, right, I
Speaker 1: think it's more likely to trade down than it is
Speaker 1: to trade up. But HECKMA brings up a good point
Speaker 1: because they're doing their their research. They're bringing in these
Speaker 1: top guys. Jordan Davis should not be there at twenty
Speaker 1: four defensive tackle, but he was brought in. He's a
Speaker 1: thirty visit guy who's who was in the in the room,
Speaker 1: same thing with a Drake London wide receiver out of USC.
Speaker 1: He's not necessarily a guy that should be there at
Speaker 1: twenty four either. They're doing these this research. Charles Cross,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle from Mississippi State. A lot of people think
Speaker 1: he's a top ten lock. He was here, well, Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb was the top ten lock as well. They talked
Speaker 1: to him at the combine for fifteen minutes, didn't have
Speaker 1: him on a virtual visit, didn't have he was not
Speaker 1: even in part of their mock drafts leading up. So
Speaker 1: you have to always be ready for those things, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: But the fact is that they used three to five
Speaker 1: visits out of these thirty visits on guys that are
Speaker 1: obviously going to be to reach or I mean, as
Speaker 1: much as you can say, no matter no matter what
Speaker 1: they do. And I said it last podcast that he
Speaker 1: has to come in and be ready to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna trade out, if you're gonna trade down,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be for a guy that can play immediately.
Speaker 1: There's no developmental situation in Dallas. You get picked first,
Speaker 1: you're playing. If you're trading down, you've got to be
Speaker 1: confident that there are five guys there, then Josh want
Speaker 1: to be there. Josh Ball was like a fourth round pick.
Speaker 1: He's a fourth round pick. Let's not get carried away.
Speaker 1: Tyler Begottish played as a fourth round pick. But he's
Speaker 1: the exception, not the rule. He was a starter halfway
Speaker 1: through his rookie years. But that's a great point. I
Speaker 1: mean it's still I mean, you have a lot of
Speaker 1: options there, you just not calling them out. Josh Baul
Speaker 1: at the moment, kind of like cal Heckmo was saying,
Speaker 1: you talk about guys that are in the building. Josh
Speaker 1: Balls your swinging tackle right now, right this second, Josh
Speaker 1: Ball is probably your swing tackle. I haven't seen him
Speaker 1: do anything, so I can't speak to but he barely
Speaker 1: put on pads camp and got hurt. So yeah, so
Speaker 1: we need to go to Yeah, I'm gonna take a
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Speaker 1: learning from from people around the building. So what's your question, Rob?
Speaker 1: You teased it. We're talking about we're talking Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just want to are you over the discussion from a
Speaker 1: pre break about goodness, we're talking guard, we're talking receiver.
Speaker 1: And I know I'm crossing over from the Draft Show
Speaker 1: because I know you guys have discussed this, But like,
Speaker 1: which is deeper? Which I mean, is there one of
Speaker 1: those two spots where you feel like we guard specifically? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like we can't wait past the second round? Maybe offensive line.
Speaker 1: You cannot wait if you don't get an offensive line
Speaker 1: in the first, maybe the second. If you get lucky,
Speaker 1: there's a starter in the second. You're not getting a
Speaker 1: plug in play offensive lineman outside of pick fifty six
Speaker 1: you and you may even have to get lucky. I
Speaker 1: pick fifty six if you're going to draft a starter,
Speaker 1: plug in play, which is what we've talked about on
Speaker 1: this show, what we talked about on the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: if you're drafting a plug in play guy who's going
Speaker 1: to come in and start as a left guard or
Speaker 1: a center as a rookie, you gotta get him in
Speaker 1: the top forty five picks. If you want to be
Speaker 1: a lock wide receiver, you can get a plug in
Speaker 1: play wide receiver all the way to the third round.
Speaker 1: I think in the eighty eight range you'll have a
Speaker 1: guy there that you like. I think there's guys that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys like at fifty or at eighty eight. David
Speaker 1: Bell out of Perdue a technician route runner. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit slow. He would probably be up in the
Speaker 1: mix if he wasn't necessarily late. And let me find
Speaker 1: his numbers. He's both had him in our mock drafting
Speaker 1: we did Friday, Yeah we did, and that was not
Speaker 1: planned by any means. But I mean he ran a
Speaker 1: four or six five forty, which is really low for
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. But he runs great routes on his film.
Speaker 1: He has good hands, he can catch in traffic, he
Speaker 1: does a lot of those things. His numbers are going
Speaker 1: to knock his stock a little bit. If he's there
Speaker 1: at eighty eight, he's most likely going to be the selection.
Speaker 1: So I think you can look at offensive line in
Speaker 1: the first maybe the second round. Wide receivers open all
Speaker 1: three rounds, maybe even into the fourth. If you really
Speaker 1: see a guy fall maybe an injury issue there, he
Speaker 1: could fall to the fourth and he still might be
Speaker 1: your third wide receiver because you're not necessarily looking for
Speaker 1: a number one, even though a number one would be great.
Speaker 1: If you wanted to go get a guy in the
Speaker 1: first round, do it. If you fall in love with
Speaker 1: a guy, don't waste your pick sitting there on an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman that you're not in love with. Go get
Speaker 1: the guy you you think will be a high, high caliber,
Speaker 1: high quality player. However, you can get starters later in
Speaker 1: the draft. And the name I keep here is Green.
Speaker 1: From from me, Kenyon Green, Yeah, Kenyon Green. Some of
Speaker 1: the other some of the other guys may be Linderbaum
Speaker 1: who's a center guard type as well. But from from
Speaker 1: those guys that you are listening, even you're talking about
Speaker 1: cross that can't miss from twenty four? Are you saying
Speaker 1: that we have a guy specifically that if based off
Speaker 1: of your draft board or maybe what the front office
Speaker 1: is thinking, that this is our guy twenty four and
Speaker 1: we're not moving from this. I think there's three names there.
Speaker 1: One of them is a hope, and that's Tyler Linderbaum.
Speaker 1: I have no smoke where Tyler Linderbaum could be a pick.
Speaker 1: I have not heard a single thing from the front office.
Speaker 1: There hasn't anything here. Yeah, which might be a right thing.
Speaker 1: Linderbaum would potentially be. He would be the camp Miss
Speaker 1: guy out of that group of guys at twenty four,
Speaker 1: specifically because I don't really know if Charles Cross is
Speaker 1: going to be there at twenty four. He play one position, yes, center,
Speaker 1: and he does it very well, does it exceptionally well.
Speaker 1: He's Jason Kelsey two point zero. He's gonna be a
Speaker 1: good center, little undersize, but he's gonna be fantastic for
Speaker 1: years to come. Ken Yon Green and Zion Johnson are
Speaker 1: those other two names. Green out of Texas A and
Speaker 1: m Zion Johnson out of Boston College. But along with
Speaker 1: Tyler Linderbaum, those are the three names that are up
Speaker 1: at the top of the draft board because of their
Speaker 1: their fit in terms of the twenty to thirty range,
Speaker 1: and of course they're fit with the Cowboys where they
Speaker 1: need a guy on the offensive line. I think all
Speaker 1: three of them are starters. I think all three of
Speaker 1: them are capable to come in and be better than
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys had a year ago at the left
Speaker 1: guard or center spots, depending on where they're selected. I
Speaker 1: don't necessarily think you can find that later on. I'm
Speaker 1: just going just real quick. I just was going through
Speaker 1: the Cowboys history this century drafting guard to find a
Speaker 1: plug in play guy to take your to borrow your phrase,
Speaker 1: I mean, it has to be in the first two rounds.
Speaker 1: It's I mean it's been Zack Martin in twenty fourteen.
Speaker 1: That's pretty good pick. Huh. Yeah, it worked out pretty good.
Speaker 1: I mean Connor Williams stepped in right away in twenty
Speaker 1: eighteen second round pick. And you can go beyond that, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta go all the way back. I think to
Speaker 1: two thousand and two with with with Andre Garad. You
Speaker 1: know that one worked that pretty well too, huh. Guys
Speaker 1: like Doug Free stepped in played fourth round, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't it wasn't right away. So at that position when
Speaker 1: they've hit on guys, it's been in the first whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, sixty picks. Does that make you feel better
Speaker 1: about the situation or no, no, it doesn't. And the
Speaker 1: reason it doesn't, No, it doesn't. And to think about it,
Speaker 1: Linda Baum, I'm told on him, you know, because of
Speaker 1: what we had from Beyondish And I know that everybody
Speaker 1: all of a sudden is taking a pass on Beyotish.
Speaker 1: But when you invest that kind of time in developing
Speaker 1: a guy and you he gets to the point where hey,
Speaker 1: he's actually he's turning into something. He's got a full
Speaker 1: more you know, four years more of lifting, weights, nutrition,
Speaker 1: all those things under this belt. Can he be what
Speaker 1: we need him to be? He came out of college,
Speaker 1: You were high on him. He has all of the
Speaker 1: same accolades as the other guys. You're saying, is it
Speaker 1: can't miss prospect go to guard, because your guard is
Speaker 1: going to be the guy that's going to be the
Speaker 1: driving force of your offensive line. We have that with
Speaker 1: Martin on the other side, but we we've just been
Speaker 1: lacking in that area. If that's a if that's a
Speaker 1: we need this, we gotta have it. This is where
Speaker 1: we are at twenty four, twenty four pick twenty four
Speaker 1: are if we can't get it in the second round,
Speaker 1: that's that's my only point. Is it more important? I
Speaker 1: feel like this is pertaining to a center position. Is
Speaker 1: it more important to plug your holes with draft picks
Speaker 1: or is it more important to upgrade? Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: question that you're having to ask with these two positions.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think you need to play your holes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I've been asked that question specifically because I am.
Speaker 1: I'm very high on Tyler Linderbaum. He's my number nine
Speaker 1: player in the draft. If he's there at twenty four,
Speaker 1: he's best player available for me. However, somebody has asked
Speaker 1: me the question previously, and they're saying, would you rather
Speaker 1: have Tyler Biottish playing as a starter? Would you ever
Speaker 1: rather have Connor McGovern playing as a starter, Because at
Speaker 1: the moment, unless you get back up in the top
Speaker 1: forty five picks and use your second round pick to
Speaker 1: go up and get somebody that you like that falls
Speaker 1: maybe one of these names that we're talking about. Unless
Speaker 1: you do something like that, that's the decision you're making.
Speaker 1: Who are you replacing. You're replacing Connor McGovern at left
Speaker 1: guard or Tyler Biattash at center. And honestly, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Connor McGovern as that guy, as the guy who's
Speaker 1: not going to be the better player out of those two,
Speaker 1: I would feel much more comfortable with Tyler Biottish having
Speaker 1: to be a starter in twenty twenty two rather than
Speaker 1: having Connor be governed in that regard. I agree, then
Speaker 1: Green is your guy than Green or Green is my guy,
Speaker 1: and Zion Johnson's who I think will be the guy.
Speaker 1: If I had to put a guest and I put
Speaker 1: this out on my mock draft on Dallas Cowboys dot com,
Speaker 1: if I put a guy there, it would be Zion Johnson.
Speaker 1: It would be that would be who the pick would be.
Speaker 1: Right now, any teams you worry about jumping you and
Speaker 1: grabbing either guy in the early twenties, late teens, No,
Speaker 1: because I think if somebody's gonna jump in this draft,
Speaker 1: they're gonna go get a quarterback that they like, because
Speaker 1: they mean, I mean, just mean picking in front of
Speaker 1: twenty four oh picking in general, not trading enough. I
Speaker 1: think the Eagles could maybe snag them. I think the
Speaker 1: Cardinals need an interior offensive lineman. If they go and
Speaker 1: get that, they need all offensive lineman. If we're being real,
Speaker 1: they could grab the tackle. They could draft a guard,
Speaker 1: a center. So I think an offensive lineman will probably
Speaker 1: be off the board at twenty three, which could be
Speaker 1: one of those names. I think the Steelers will probably
Speaker 1: go with a maybe a quarterback at that point. Eagles, Chargers, Saints, Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Those are really the teams up at the top that
Speaker 1: I think could take those guys that we're talking about
Speaker 1: with Zion Johnson and Linderbaum and Kenyon Green. Those are
Speaker 1: the areas of worry that I have because you know,
Speaker 1: Hellman's big thing is he wants a receiver at twenty four.
Speaker 1: He always I mean, it's more are fun, it's more fun.
Speaker 1: It is more fun position. And it mainly though because
Speaker 1: the quality of player, the chance you could get a
Speaker 1: just a better player that plays wide receiver. There my
Speaker 1: my issue, and that's why I asked about down the line,
Speaker 1: like he's her. That's a that's a need. Offensive line
Speaker 1: is a big, big need. So how long can you wait?
Speaker 1: That's my Questioneah, outside the top forty five, you're you're
Speaker 1: getting lucky. No, I can't wait. Can't so offensive line
Speaker 1: unless you signed a guy after the draft. But at
Speaker 1: this point, who you sign it it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: plug and play and you feel great about it. It's
Speaker 1: pretty i mean pretty dry. Wait until point where. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna be a that's really really it
Speaker 1: looks gone drive well. And if they go wide receiver,
Speaker 1: if they go wide receiver in the first round and
Speaker 1: they are just tear your hands up, hey, your hands up,
Speaker 1: forget about it. I mean they are sold on the
Speaker 1: guys that they have. And McGovern is starting to stop this.
Speaker 1: Come up. What happened to your twenty or twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: first round pick? What happened to it? Traded it for
Speaker 1: a Marine Cooper twenty in nineteen? Yeah, twenty twenty. What
Speaker 1: happened with your first round pick? Oh my gosh, it
Speaker 1: was Ceedee Lamb. I mean, you've two of the last
Speaker 1: three years have been wide receivers that have been taken
Speaker 1: in the first round. Why three or four? I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think I make it three. I don't think
Speaker 1: you have I mean, you're not going to get the
Speaker 1: same caliber player if you wait. But they've shown they
Speaker 1: can draft Michael Gallop in the third round. It could
Speaker 1: be a starter. Like, I just think you can wait
Speaker 1: on that position, maybe more so than offensive line. And
Speaker 1: once again, you don't need a number one. You got
Speaker 1: to give Ceedee Lamb a chance to be a number one.
Speaker 1: You gotta give Michael Gallop five years, sixty two million
Speaker 1: dollars deal that's out there and let him roll with it.
Speaker 1: You can go get a number three guy and he's
Speaker 1: gonna give you plenty of production. Doesn't matter who you
Speaker 1: put in this system, right, it doesn't matter. That's that's
Speaker 1: kind of what I'm leading to to a certain extent.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you say that's stochastically, Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: that's the way the organization, the way you're thinking. And
Speaker 1: they've look, I don't I won't say devalued the wide
Speaker 1: receiver position, so to speak. But they're just saying that, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't need a guy to come in here twenty
Speaker 1: million dollars a year and not give us the production
Speaker 1: we need. They're setting presidents for that. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: be get paid twenty, you're gonna produce like a guy
Speaker 1: that's getting paid. You lost your one, you're four and
Speaker 1: year six, it's a lot of production just walked out
Speaker 1: of the door. One you're one, year four and year
Speaker 1: six walked out as good as a two. A lot
Speaker 1: of absolutely, and he's going to be that when his
Speaker 1: number two coming back to That's the other question. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: so you have a number two and he'll be back.
Speaker 1: But when you know is how what's training camp looked like,
Speaker 1: what's the first month of the season looked like. But
Speaker 1: names we hadn't talked about, We hadn't talked much about Zeke,
Speaker 1: We hadn't talked much about where Dak takes the next level.
Speaker 1: I mean, you knew ate him seventy five million dollars.
Speaker 1: He has to make the next step as a quarterback
Speaker 1: to that game changer. Neither one of those guys, heck
Speaker 1: Man can do what you or anybody else in caliboyization
Speaker 1: expects them to do. If you don't feel the gaps
Speaker 1: at the office, no, I feel you one, So so
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that we can just we're
Speaker 1: not disregarding the conversation. It's just that their success is
Speaker 1: dictated on who they put up front. So, which is
Speaker 1: why we're all in a green, is that they need
Speaker 1: to pick a dog on guard. Not a swinging guard,
Speaker 1: but a guard. Yeah, that's what one of those guys
Speaker 1: are going to be. A guard. They played multiple positions
Speaker 1: in college. But Zion Johnson and Kenyon Green don't get
Speaker 1: it wrong. Don't get it twisted. They are guards. That's
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If you're talking about going out
Speaker 1: on the limb and getting a wide receiver at one
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, this is what you need to build.
Speaker 1: Throw the whole cake away. And I mean Kyle said,
Speaker 1: I mean some of the visits that are being reported
Speaker 1: that they're talking to guys. I mean, that's what throws
Speaker 1: me off. That's what I'm not listening. I refused to
Speaker 1: I've refused. It's not really reports that were in the building.
Speaker 1: I mean that you invite a lot of people. I
Speaker 1: just I just mean, we're not putting out the full lists.
Speaker 1: No we're not there. But no, I hear it. The
Speaker 1: full list will come out. Thought it's out. The list
Speaker 1: is out. The list we didn't put it out. It's
Speaker 1: out there. Oh yeah, but inside trading, no somebody. We
Speaker 1: like our jobs. But the whole thought process behind it
Speaker 1: was why are there's so many first rounds. I mean
Speaker 1: Chris Olave, Drake, London, Trailing Burks were all guys up
Speaker 1: at the top of that list. I mean we even
Speaker 1: got to report it on the Blitz because they were
Speaker 1: all up at the top of that list. And the
Speaker 1: scouting apartment, scouting department or the front office is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, talk about it. I just want to say
Speaker 1: a lave. I love him, I think great, great wire receiver.
Speaker 1: But there's a guy behind him next year that really us.
Speaker 1: You just kind of chill out and wait till he
Speaker 1: comes out. You just like Jackson Smith and Jacko because
Speaker 1: he's a rock wall problem. Hey, kind of a badass. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you next year's class. I'm sorry, I'm jumping ahead.
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Speaker 1: rocking my slurs. A lot of people have been given
Speaker 1: me compliments on my SLR sunglasses. They're fire, those top guns,
Speaker 1: they're fire. I need another set. I need another set.
Speaker 1: It's been a year. It's say it's coming up on
Speaker 1: a year and guess who still hasn't gotten his set
Speaker 1: of I'll take his set. We'll get another set once,
Speaker 1: you know. You know what, do you know what I need?
Speaker 1: I need another set because I don't wear sunglasses or
Speaker 1: I don't wear a reading glasses or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, because I got this X ray vision. But um,
Speaker 1: but I need some uh my color sucked up. I
Speaker 1: guess he colors crap. But I need another set of shades. Man,
Speaker 1: With that, explain your turnover percentage in college? It was
Speaker 1: lowest interception percentage in the whole freaking University of Washington history.
Speaker 1: Tell you that much Washington's never really had great quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: They didn't want that. I bet they never knew that.
Speaker 1: You never divulged that either, right, I yeah, what's that? No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a ring. I'm going t keep you
Speaker 1: keep your interception percentage low. I want to you know
Speaker 1: what's funny? Funny? Here we go, funny quote. So when
Speaker 1: back in college, right, my wife was actually she wasn't
Speaker 1: my wife back then, obviously, but she was dating a
Speaker 1: defense alignment back at the time on my team, and
Speaker 1: so she was alo she was off limits for like
Speaker 1: ten years. All right, But you know statue limitations. But
Speaker 1: once that, you know, excided, I was inserted myself back
Speaker 1: into the conversation. Married your teammates. What this is? Stale said,
Speaker 1: there's statue. It's a statue. Don't drop anything around. What
Speaker 1: I was getting at is that she hated me as
Speaker 1: a quarterback in college. Really yeah, as a quarterback. She'd
Speaker 1: hated me because she said, I will always run. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I was running for my life and did you tell
Speaker 1: I can't see colors that you're running for your own teammates?
Speaker 1: But she hated to this day, she's like, I hated
Speaker 1: you as a quarterback. I was like, well things, man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate thanks so much. Supports something about you every podcast. Hey,
Speaker 1: nine touchdowns, six interceptions in two thousand and five eleven
Speaker 1: games started Isaiah stand back, then went on to two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, played in seven games, had ten touchdowns
Speaker 1: and three or seven Hello, So before your injury, you
Speaker 1: were really you were on fire. I was about to
Speaker 1: be m P babe. You're on the wall right. Somehow
Speaker 1: somehow I made the wall mean. I mean, Hey, amongst
Speaker 1: the just I was vaulted names of Jake Browning and
Speaker 1: Keith Price and Jake Locker Kyle, I mean, is a
Speaker 1: gentleman by the name of Cody Pickett who was up
Speaker 1: for the Heisman when I first got there. It's true,
Speaker 1: it's really freaking started three years war, right warm Moons
Speaker 1: seventy six and seventy seven. He were brothers. The picket
Speaker 1: still owns the single game passing performance. He's a beast
Speaker 1: now four hundred and fifty five yards of one game?
Speaker 1: Can we change? Can we change your Wikipedia page? I
Speaker 1: don't know how to do that. I don't you guys.
Speaker 1: He's in like the old New England Patriots gear. He
Speaker 1: probably I had no neck diesel back. Do you ever
Speaker 1: touched you? I've never touched it. I didn't know. You
Speaker 1: don't know how to I think anybody can get on
Speaker 1: there and edit. Did you see you see those shoulders
Speaker 1: right now? Like the wooden coat hangers from like I
Speaker 1: don't know who our sponsor is, but it was from
Speaker 1: the hotel from them? Yea, the hotel wooden hangers are
Speaker 1: freaking nice. They'll charge if you leave with it, though,
Speaker 1: So do you know get you? Let me ask you
Speaker 1: the sized you know? Do you know the most passing
Speaker 1: yards you had in one game? I think it's Notre
Speaker 1: Dame game. I think, m ring the bell? What is it?
Speaker 1: Four hundred? Now? Was Mario cal three oh one? No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: go to Notre Dame top passing performances in the games
Speaker 1: three hundred yard passing mark twice three fifty three? My bad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then cal Cal was three h one Notre Dame
Speaker 1: three fifty five. How about the Irish show passing total
Speaker 1: the fifteenth most ever at Washington was terrible. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: had some bad teams back then. That's okay. You were
Speaker 1: great on the NC Douaba football video. It was a beast.
Speaker 1: People still come up to me to this day about this.
Speaker 1: Use you all the time. Yeah. That was the fastest
Speaker 1: quarterback in the country at the time. So it was
Speaker 1: right after like Vince Young kind of like emerged as
Speaker 1: a video game star because you could you could have
Speaker 1: a dual threat. And then Isaiah was the next man.
Speaker 1: It is that game coming back within it now? Yah?
Speaker 1: Can we can get it back now? Yeah? As you're
Speaker 1: going to roll, all right, let's talk about the secondary.
Speaker 1: Final ten minutes here of talking Cowboys, I say a
Speaker 1: stand back Washington football legend, Tema Harrison or Texas football legend,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, because he calls the football legend, I'm Kyle
Speaker 1: Yeoman's secondary hasn't necessarily been in that conversation in terms
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks safety because of the guys Cowboys have returning,
Speaker 1: it looks like at this cornerback spot, Treyvon Diggs of
Speaker 1: course leading the way, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis all returning
Speaker 1: along with some newcomers like Kelvin Joseph and Nayshaun Wright.
Speaker 1: That we're picked in the top one hundred of last
Speaker 1: year's NFL draft, then it's safety. You've got Jay Wren, curseback,
Speaker 1: Malie Cooker's back on a deal, Donovan Wilson still mulling
Speaker 1: around there in the backside of the defense. Is the
Speaker 1: secondary set Rob, or is it kind of tinkering on
Speaker 1: the edge of being an actual need in the future.
Speaker 1: It looks pretty set to me because they didn't change anything.
Speaker 1: You know, they got Treyvon Diggs, they got I mentioned
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis earlier, they got Anthony Brown on the outside
Speaker 1: and potentially Kelvin Joseph pushing him like they thought could
Speaker 1: happen as early as last season. And Malie Cooker now
Speaker 1: projects as a starting safety with with Jayron Curse kind
Speaker 1: of playing safety, linebacker, whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's it's I can't say this
Speaker 1: a lot over the last few years, but the secondary
Speaker 1: looks about as stable as any position on the roster
Speaker 1: right now. Oh God, do you say that again. I
Speaker 1: want to hear it. I'm knocking on it. Right The
Speaker 1: safety secondary looks about as staple as any position on
Speaker 1: the roster right now. I mean, they didn't really change anything, so,
Speaker 1: I mean, and and you've got young players that you
Speaker 1: hope a sind like that's that's what you hope for
Speaker 1: at a lot of positions, and that's not really the
Speaker 1: case at other positions. The only thing they changed was
Speaker 1: their numbers. Yes, changed, Yes, Jordan lewis wearing number two,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's wearing number three, and I just got used
Speaker 1: to seeing him in a different number. And now that's
Speaker 1: the third time he's changed numbers. Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: He went from twenty six to seven, threw me off. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think they changed because of Digs changing the seven?
Speaker 1: And man, I can single digit? People think they can?
Speaker 1: Single digit looks cooler, It look cool. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it makes it difficult as all. Heck, for somebody
Speaker 1: watching the game, maybe that's why they did it. They
Speaker 1: see seven out there thinking of wide receiver. Look, you're
Speaker 1: throwing to the wrong color jersey. You're having Isaiah stand back. Exactly,
Speaker 1: that's a problem here, Exactly. I told you guys all
Speaker 1: last season be confident in Anthony Brown didn't. But but no,
Speaker 1: what he came out and he proved all of the
Speaker 1: NASA is wrong. He had a strong camp. I mean,
Speaker 1: aside from Heckman was cutting the guy after the Tampa
Speaker 1: Baker man, I mean Antonio Brown like, it's still running. Okay,
Speaker 1: You're not wrong, It's still running right now when they
Speaker 1: shut it off, he's still He's still going. He'll go okay.
Speaker 1: But I mean, that's what you had. And he started
Speaker 1: to compete oh the season, and you obviously with Travla Dickson,
Speaker 1: the job that he did last year, man, it's no
Speaker 1: comparison to the work that he put in. But on
Speaker 1: the other side, we were thinking that man, he may
Speaker 1: be the Achilles heel of the defense, and he ended
Speaker 1: up not being that. I know we're supposed were talking
Speaker 1: about the secondary, but I forgot that he on Neil
Speaker 1: signed somewhere else as well, So we're down to two.
Speaker 1: I feel like you're just trying to find something to
Speaker 1: be mad at. I'm not. He's in Tampa. Yeah he left. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just didn't really do anything. Three linebacker. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't know much about that. Jabril Demante Bond, but Jabril Cox,
Speaker 1: have Luke Gifford, Luke, and then you have Micah and
Speaker 1: they they viewed j Ron as part of that mix, honest,
Speaker 1: because he's in the box so much. But I'm not
Speaker 1: saying they got great numbers, but I'm saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: they don't feel as crazy about it as others might.
Speaker 1: This is one of those times, like you and I like,
Speaker 1: I'm numbers aren't great. They're not as good. I mean
Speaker 1: last year that looked like the deepest position on the team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So how's Jabrill Cars Do we have any reports on him?
Speaker 1: Should be ready to go start of the season, that's
Speaker 1: the goal, like John Lejon, Yeah, yeah, Well, Kelvin Joseph
Speaker 1: is the guy in this whole mix that you want
Speaker 1: to be a contributor. You want him to push Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: you want him to push Anthony Brown. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: he didn't. I mean, there's a lot of stuff I
Speaker 1: think when I think of Kelvin Joseph, this is this
Speaker 1: is going to be important for him huge, you know,
Speaker 1: if he wants to mature, be the player that the
Speaker 1: organization thinks that he is he is because they put
Speaker 1: a lot of things and is on his plate and
Speaker 1: I don't know if he handled it, handled it very
Speaker 1: well in his first year, but he has to show
Speaker 1: the organization that he's matured. I say in your heart, no,
Speaker 1: but your heart says no. My heart says no because
Speaker 1: I don't know how can you talk about willing's willing
Speaker 1: to do these things? How willing is he to make
Speaker 1: changes within himself and be a professional. It's one thing
Speaker 1: would be in a college athlete, but then when you
Speaker 1: get to this level, who's a pro? And I don't
Speaker 1: know if he's that, but I don't know him on
Speaker 1: a personal level. But everything that he projects doesn't project
Speaker 1: I'm a pro, Kyle, what's it say in your heart
Speaker 1: in regards a boss man? Fat, I'm kind of right
Speaker 1: there with you. But he has to produce because I mean,
Speaker 1: look at the look at the last second round picks,
Speaker 1: most recent second round picks that cowboys have put out
Speaker 1: there on the table, and look at the history. Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs in twenty twenty, he's certainly produced. Connor mcg or,
Speaker 1: excuse me, Tristan Hill in twenty nineteen. He hasn't necessarily produced.
Speaker 1: He's still here. But are we confident in Tristan Hill?
Speaker 1: Is he kind of an afterthought? Absolutely, He's not one
Speaker 1: of those guys at the top. Connor Williams was a
Speaker 1: starter second round pick in twenty eighteen, should obi a
Speaker 1: woozier second round pick in twenty seventeen. Starter, Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen starter even after an injury, Randy Gregory twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen starter, to Marcus Lawrence twenty fourteen starter, he's got
Speaker 1: a contribute because if not, he's he's gonna be an afterthought.
Speaker 1: But in your heart says, what right this second? No? No,
Speaker 1: I think I think AB's still the guy there. I agree.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean he can't take a step because when
Speaker 1: he played late in the season you saw flashes. But
Speaker 1: I think talent. I'd leaned towards his experience. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: has all the talent in the world, So what's stopping
Speaker 1: him from taking the next step, Why don't they trust him?
Speaker 1: I asked the question. I mean, and and look, he
Speaker 1: did have He got in a full training camp, so
Speaker 1: you can't say, oh, he didn't have an off season,
Speaker 1: but he did miss six games with a growing injury
Speaker 1: that set him back. So you know, hopefully another full
Speaker 1: and hopefully it's a full off season, no COVID restrictions.
Speaker 1: That's what everybody's hoping. But prior to that injury, did
Speaker 1: you how did you feel? He did not? I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn't impressive. He got hurt in the jack the
Speaker 1: final preseason game against Jacksonville. It was obvious that ab
Speaker 1: was the starter. He didn't win that job for the injury.
Speaker 1: That's that's the one thing he has to take that
Speaker 1: second year, agree that second year jump, or else he's
Speaker 1: he's a afterthought in the room. And if if he
Speaker 1: would have won that injury or excuse me, won that
Speaker 1: battle prior to the injury, Anthony Brown may not be
Speaker 1: the cowboy this year. He may not be here. You
Speaker 1: may have saved the five million dollars that would that
Speaker 1: was probably the plan when they drafted him. Correct honestly, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have him or Jordan. I mean one of the two.
Speaker 1: Sure Terrence Steele is the reason why Allow Collins is
Speaker 1: in here anymore. Really, I mean the main reason why
Speaker 1: salary man and the suspension in the Yeah, that didn't help.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're you got a guy who's
Speaker 1: on a undrafted rookie contract versus saving ten million bucks
Speaker 1: who played just as well or better at right tackle,
Speaker 1: I mean some mean, some decisions you just make easy
Speaker 1: for people. I mean, that's just one of them. But
Speaker 1: he crossed my mind. We were talking about guard. It's like,
Speaker 1: you really think he couldn't have played guard because if
Speaker 1: you moved Collins to guard, yeah, you're not saving money,
Speaker 1: but maybe you wouldn't be worried about guard at twenty four.
Speaker 1: I'm just I agree with you, but I think there
Speaker 1: was some injury. They don't clearly didn't think he could
Speaker 1: do it. They don't think he can play. Cincinnati thinks
Speaker 1: he can play. No, I mean, and then moved to guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but but I mean they could cut him straight out.
Speaker 1: They cut him straight up, and they didn't really save
Speaker 1: him a ton of money. Maybe did this year, next
Speaker 1: year not so much so. But Kelvin Joseph at the
Speaker 1: top of the list in terms of guys that need
Speaker 1: to take that second year jump. I mean, I'll name
Speaker 1: some of the others. Zo Sakizoo, Chauncey Golston, Nashan ridgerbrol Cox,
Speaker 1: Josh Ball, send me Phoko, anybody there. I mean above Kelvin,
Speaker 1: Joseph more pressure to take a second year jump. Chauncey,
Speaker 1: He's gonna be right in the mix. I mean, we
Speaker 1: you lose Randy Gregory, We're still chasing from the edge
Speaker 1: position we have ever since DeMarcus Ware and I don't
Speaker 1: care what anybody says, I agree, we have been chasing
Speaker 1: this position. And we finally get a young crop in
Speaker 1: here that goes into dan Quinn's rotation and Chauncey Ghost
Speaker 1: and he did produce, but you know next year you're
Speaker 1: going to ask a lot more of him, especially if
Speaker 1: they don't go in those first three picks and get
Speaker 1: any defensive help. Yeah, that's a good one I'll throw.
Speaker 1: We mentioned Josh Ball earlier. And because whoever wins that
Speaker 1: swing tackle job, history says you're going to be a
Speaker 1: starter at some point this season. Tyrn Smith is probably
Speaker 1: going to the Hall of Fame, but he missed five
Speaker 1: games last year. Fourteen games a year before. You know,
Speaker 1: he missed six games last year fourteen, and then three
Speaker 1: games for four straight seasons twenty sixteen through nineteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have to be prepared for that, you know so,
Speaker 1: And unless they draft a guy or sign a veteran
Speaker 1: to fill that role, it could be Josh Ball. And
Speaker 1: just lastly, I just want to say, when it comes
Speaker 1: down to this draft, I know we're leading right up
Speaker 1: to it. The tight end position is so important and
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's enough emphasis being placed on it.
Speaker 1: And I know out the tag on Shoult we got
Speaker 1: sprinkled back, but we are going to have to get
Speaker 1: a guy that can block in here, that can do both.
Speaker 1: I've not made it a secret that George Kittle is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite tight ends, and it is because
Speaker 1: he is Conan the destroyer at the tight end position,
Speaker 1: and in Kelly Moore's offense, if he has that at
Speaker 1: the tight end, he can do anything. It opens up
Speaker 1: everything that he wants to. It's a great point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's some steam, there's some momentum heading in your way
Speaker 1: of Charlie Koehler out of Iowa State. It's a little
Speaker 1: bit of momentum heading that direction. Fourth, that's a Dalton
Speaker 1: Scholtz round. You know you can find a tight end
Speaker 1: six six, two fifty. It's moving that direction and there's
Speaker 1: some guys. Or you could go with a Jilani Woods.
Speaker 1: He's a resolutely massive six foot seven one of the tested,
Speaker 1: literally tested as the highest graded tight end prospect in
Speaker 1: the history of the analytical side of the NFL draft.
Speaker 1: He was a ten out of ten on the Great
Speaker 1: Scale in terms of his athleticism, his size, and like
Speaker 1: his but why does he have and inconsistent film? His
Speaker 1: film is not very good. But to me, he tested
Speaker 1: better than Kyle Pitts. He tested better than what's wrong anybody? Really?
Speaker 1: That makes you feel better? Right? And run blocking tip.
Speaker 1: He's been slouching since we talked about tight end. Hold
Speaker 1: on to the draftzine real quick? Are you are you
Speaker 1: closing out? Yeah? Go for it? Well, I just before
Speaker 1: we get out of here, I just think let's just
Speaker 1: say condolences to family for Gary Brown Rayfield right, Wayne Haskins.
Speaker 1: Just a terrible weekend of news in the NFL. Former
Speaker 1: running backs coach Gary Brown passing away Rayfield right. Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame member of course, member of this organization for
Speaker 1: many many years and uh a key contributed to the
Speaker 1: community as well. And then yeah, the past the tragic
Speaker 1: passing of Dwayne Haskins in Florida. I just gotta say
Speaker 1: this about Rayphiel Right. Man. You know this this story franchise,
Speaker 1: you have so many great titans that came through here,
Speaker 1: and Rayphael Right was one of those guys. I would
Speaker 1: see him at our fundraiser. Him and guys like Cliff
Speaker 1: Harris and you know Tony Dorset. These are guys that
Speaker 1: when they left, they took a lot of glory with
Speaker 1: them and they now have yellow jackets. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think as fans is the game, the narrative, the
Speaker 1: game advances. A lot of times people forget about those guys,
Speaker 1: but they're the guys that actually set the standard here.
Speaker 1: And that's why this organization is what it is because
Speaker 1: he was the first big cat. I know, people know
Speaker 1: Leon Let as a big cat. He was the first
Speaker 1: big cat, the guy that played the position like they
Speaker 1: had never seen anything like Rayphael Right when he played
Speaker 1: in the seventies. And so, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys, you have to give them their flowers.
Speaker 1: Now it's not enough to give it to him after
Speaker 1: they're gone, while they're here. And so when I see
Speaker 1: any what's the ny of these guys come to, I
Speaker 1: freak out, you know, because it's it's the game that
Speaker 1: they played, and they put so much of their heart
Speaker 1: and soul into it for you know, Tony Dark said,
Speaker 1: guys like that, they have to get their flowers now.
Speaker 1: So when ray Phael passed man, it obviously condulses to
Speaker 1: him and his family. But man, a great cowboy on
Speaker 1: the field he was. He was like Tyrann Smith before
Speaker 1: Tyrn's play, I mean, right tackle was the guy I
Speaker 1: played in five Super Bowls. Nobody played in more Super
Speaker 1: Bowls in the NFL history than Rayfield. Right and off
Speaker 1: the field. Just a great and nice man man, just
Speaker 1: a good person. And the same same for Gary Brown.
Speaker 1: I mean, the first time I met Gary Brown was
Speaker 1: first training camp I came back twenty fifteen. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: got rid of the basketball court by the player rooms
Speaker 1: over there in ox and hard, but at that point
Speaker 1: it was still out there and he came shot hoops
Speaker 1: with us. I mean, just just every everybody loved Gary Brown,
Speaker 1: you know, incredible man, a great coach too. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: been a hard week for sure, and of course passing
Speaker 1: our condolences on as a show. Glad we got to
Speaker 1: fit that in. Thanks Rob for that. That does it
Speaker 1: for us here on Talking Cowboys. We'll be back next
Speaker 1: week eleven thirty Central time in the morning. Let's talk
Speaker 1: some draft next week. We've got two shows to the
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, only two, and we're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna fix this team when we come back next week.
Speaker 1: For Chris being Rob Phillips, Isaiah's Dan back, heck my Harrison.
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long from the Star on Frisco.
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