WEBVTT - Toxic Train Derailment with Rep. Bill Johnson

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<v Speaker 1>If you've been watching the news or at least some outlets,

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<v Speaker 1>because not everyone's been covering it. There was a recent

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<v Speaker 1>train derailment that led to the release of toxic chemicals

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<v Speaker 1>in East Palestine, Ohio. There have been reports of people

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<v Speaker 1>saying they can't breathe, eyes are burning, chemical burns, reports

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<v Speaker 1>of animals dying, reports of thousands of fish spanning across

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<v Speaker 1>seven point five miles of streams dead. But the e

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<v Speaker 1>p A Is saying everything is fine. So what's really

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<v Speaker 1>going on? What is the truth about what's happening in

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<v Speaker 1>East Palestine, Ohio. We're going to talk to one man

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<v Speaker 1>congress from Bill Johnson, who not only represents that district,

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<v Speaker 1>represents that part of Ohio, but he's been on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground and he's trying to get answers. He's next on

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<v Speaker 1>the Truth with Lisa Booth. Congressman. First of all, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for joining the show. Our heart goes

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<v Speaker 1>out to the residents of East Palestine. Incredibly sad, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to thank you for taking the time. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you're welcome, You're welcome. This is a very important issue.

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<v Speaker 1>While to try aginy that has occurred there in East Palestine,

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<v Speaker 1>and and so we we've got a long way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>But but I appreciate you bringing bringing focus to it

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<v Speaker 1>here too. Why do you think it hasn't gotten more attention?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, the news cycle is is, you know, has

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<v Speaker 1>a life of its own, and for the last couple

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<v Speaker 1>of weeks, we've been focused on Chinese spy balloons and

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese espionage and things of national security. Um and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Now. The one thing I don't understand

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<v Speaker 1>is why the Transportation Secretary seems to be mute on

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<v Speaker 1>this issue. Um and, I mean I have not heard

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<v Speaker 1>from him. You know, the President of the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>even Joe Biden called our governor. Uh, it's my district.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the one on the ground with with first hand information.

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<v Speaker 1>You would think that the Transportation Secretary would want to

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<v Speaker 1>be talking to me. But I haven't heard from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know that he has engaged with anybody

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<v Speaker 1>uh there in in these palating And that just seems

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<v Speaker 1>crazy to me, because we're talking about a huge disaster

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<v Speaker 1>and a huge ecological disaster, huge human disaster. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about you know, people which you know you've

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<v Speaker 1>been there, but people with chemical burns, eyes watering, and burning,

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<v Speaker 1>were dead animals, fish dying. Talk about what you saw

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<v Speaker 1>on the ground. How bad is it? What do people

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<v Speaker 1>need to know? Well? And at least I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you. You asked me a question, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to give you a very honest answer. I was there

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<v Speaker 1>on Monday. I did not see anybody with burn skin,

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<v Speaker 1>uh itching, burning eyes. I did not see any dead animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I do know they exist. I know that there

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<v Speaker 1>were fish that were killed, about thirty fish. They were

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<v Speaker 1>killed in the early moments of the of the derailment,

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<v Speaker 1>when the fire was so intense and and some of

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<v Speaker 1>that early chemical exposure. I know that I know that

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<v Speaker 1>that there were some foxes. The report that I got

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<v Speaker 1>there was a fox sanctuary uh close by, and when

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<v Speaker 1>the evacuation order was given, UH that gentleman could not

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<v Speaker 1>get four of the foxes out. And so I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying that there aren't dead animals. I'm telling you I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't seen any and I didn't hear that from the

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<v Speaker 1>mayor when I was there on Monday, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>there at the site. Look, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>unanswered questions, and I think the people in that community

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<v Speaker 1>have every right uh, to have their questions answered and

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<v Speaker 1>to have their fears alleviated. I'm going there again today

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<v Speaker 1>to participate in that town hall to do exactly that,

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure that they are getting the straight story

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<v Speaker 1>from the people that are supposed to know the answers.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the people that are supposed to know the

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<v Speaker 1>answers don't know those answers, then I'm going to be

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<v Speaker 1>insisting that they go immediately to the experts outside of

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<v Speaker 1>their purview and find those answers because the people in

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<v Speaker 1>East Palestine need those well. And see, this is why

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to have you on, because you know, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been there, so I want to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 1>know we're bringing the truth or bring the information from

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<v Speaker 1>someone who has firsthand knowledge of what's going on, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got you know, the e p A. Great

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<v Speaker 1>Lakes has said that, you know, they've been monitoring the air,

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<v Speaker 1>monitoring you know, the water. They said they have not

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<v Speaker 1>detected any levels of health concern that can be attributed

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<v Speaker 1>to the incident. Do you buy that? Do you trust

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<v Speaker 1>them when they say that? I think there's a certain

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<v Speaker 1>degree of skepticism. I mean, the American people have a

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<v Speaker 1>distrust of government right now on all sides, le Sa.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean when you look at who President Biden has

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded himself with and all of the crises that exist

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<v Speaker 1>from what we see happening in the Department of Transportation

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<v Speaker 1>with this collision. And I'm not going to segue into

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<v Speaker 1>other topics, but to look at the border, you look

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<v Speaker 1>at crime, you look at the incidents is with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the Chinese and what's going on there. It just

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<v Speaker 1>seems like a blanket of incompetence in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, and the American people have every reason to

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<v Speaker 1>be concerned about where to go to find the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think there is a healthy degree of skepticism

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I can tell you that, uh, some of

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<v Speaker 1>the testing that the e p A is claiming that

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<v Speaker 1>they have done has been validated by the State e

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<v Speaker 1>p A. Now, the State e p A is separate

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<v Speaker 1>from the federal e p A, and so there are

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<v Speaker 1>two different organizations. The State e p A has to

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<v Speaker 1>comply with federal e p A regulations and rules. I

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<v Speaker 1>get that, But the State e p A folks under

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<v Speaker 1>the governor have a higher degree of accountability to the governor,

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<v Speaker 1>to me to local residents than the federal EPA does

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<v Speaker 1>because they're kind of arms distance away in Washington See.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can tell you that according to the mayor

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<v Speaker 1>take water, for example, the water being tested there. In

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<v Speaker 1>East Palestine, they do their own tests with the villages

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<v Speaker 1>water system. They test their water all the time. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing it long before this train derailment occurred. And

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<v Speaker 1>the mayor told me on Monday that they're testing indicates

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<v Speaker 1>that their water in the village is safe to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why he has told the residents that that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're going to continue that testing. There is another question, though,

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<v Speaker 1>about well water, because a lot of people outside of

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<v Speaker 1>that one mile and maybe even some within the one

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<v Speaker 1>mile evacuation area I have wells and uh and so

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<v Speaker 1>that well water is going to need to be continually

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<v Speaker 1>retested because we don't know what we don't know. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know the long term implications of some of the

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<v Speaker 1>hazardous material that that escaped, and I think that's where

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<v Speaker 1>some of the skepticism is coming from. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>only tell you, Lisa, what I have been told thus far.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the e p A s H information has

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<v Speaker 1>been validated by the local authorities themselves. Well, I trust

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<v Speaker 1>you because I know you have a healthy skepticism for

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<v Speaker 1>government just like I do. So yeah, we can we

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<v Speaker 1>can have a different and so you know, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the skepticism or the fear comes from some of

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals that have been released. When you look at

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<v Speaker 1>things like vinyl chloride and the fact that it's been

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<v Speaker 1>linked to central nervous system effects as well as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>chronic exposure has liver damage including cancerers, or you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about phys gene which is highly poisonous, which has been

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<v Speaker 1>used as chemical warfare. So you know, when you hear

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<v Speaker 1>these sorts of things, you know, obviously it's you would

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<v Speaker 1>hope that the e p A and that officials are

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<v Speaker 1>viewer on the side of, you know, more caution than not.

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<v Speaker 1>When you just look at some of the effects that

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<v Speaker 1>some of these things could have, there has to be

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<v Speaker 1>airing on the side of caution. There has to be

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<v Speaker 1>going the extra mile. That's why I wrote a letter

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<v Speaker 1>to UH the p of the CEO of Norfolk Southern

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<v Speaker 1>this week UH requesting that they re evaluate they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>one mile boundary for for compensation people that have expenses

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<v Speaker 1>for testing of water, testing of air in homes and

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<v Speaker 1>who's going to pay for that? Because here's the reason why. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know how that I think I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I know how that one mile evacuation boundary

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<v Speaker 1>was set. And so because the CEO talked to me

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<v Speaker 1>about that early in this process. The tankers that had

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<v Speaker 1>the chemicals in them, when they began to show uh

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<v Speaker 1>uh signs of instability and uh potential for explosion had

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<v Speaker 1>they exploded on their own. And keep in mindly so

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<v Speaker 1>what we saw on television was not uh it was

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<v Speaker 1>a controlled explosion. It was not an uncontrolled explosion. Had

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<v Speaker 1>it been an uncontrolled explosion, he said, it could send

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<v Speaker 1>shrapnel along with the toxic chemicals, uh, for a radius

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<v Speaker 1>of a mile or more. To take a quick commercial break,

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<v Speaker 1>more on the trained railment in East Palestine, Ohio. So

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<v Speaker 1>there was reports that the accident was likely caused by

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<v Speaker 1>a mechanical issue with an axle of one of the

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<v Speaker 1>hundred fifty cars. What are you hearing on the cause

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<v Speaker 1>and the source of the accident. They have not released

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<v Speaker 1>their report. I can tell you what I've heard, what

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<v Speaker 1>I've been told. I got this from the mayor as well. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there was an axle on the train that the bearings

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<v Speaker 1>and the axle failed, which means that the wheel was

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<v Speaker 1>not turning, So you were essentially dragging that axle down

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<v Speaker 1>the tracks. What does that do? That creates friction, that

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<v Speaker 1>creates a fire, and so the the axle, as I

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<v Speaker 1>understand it was actually on fire. Uh. Sensors indicated that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a problem. Who got the who got the

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<v Speaker 1>see I've got a lot of questions about stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't I can't get into those questions until

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<v Speaker 1>I see if the National Transportation Safety Board report answers

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<v Speaker 1>the questions where did the sensor information go to? Who

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<v Speaker 1>did the censor information go to? What was their required

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<v Speaker 1>response when they found out that they had an axle failure?

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<v Speaker 1>What happened to the detectors along the track that we're

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be picking up heat signatures and things like

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<v Speaker 1>that where there are enough detectors. I've heard that there

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<v Speaker 1>may be an issue with inspections because of workforce issues. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>inspections on these axles. Uh, you know, so so much

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<v Speaker 1>still look at before we jump to conclusions. But the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom line is what I've been told it was a

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<v Speaker 1>failed bearing set in an axle that froze up, and

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<v Speaker 1>h that ultimately disintegrated, and that axle fell apart, and

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<v Speaker 1>the try and bear it off the track at that point, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I actually really respect the fact that you're handling this

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<v Speaker 1>from a very even handed you know, not trying to speculate,

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<v Speaker 1>just really just trying to get the information, the facts

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<v Speaker 1>for your district. I think you're doing right by them

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<v Speaker 1>by approaching it that way. You know, I was wondering

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<v Speaker 1>you had mentioned that the Department of Transportation people to judge,

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<v Speaker 1>has not been helpful. It has not been responsive. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously he's too busy talking about that we have too

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<v Speaker 1>many weight construction workers at a time of crisis. I

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<v Speaker 1>was wondering, do you think part of the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this administration has turned to die or Biden's not

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<v Speaker 1>really addressed it, or they don't seem to care as

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<v Speaker 1>much because this is a Trump district. I can only speculate,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can tell you that this district that East

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<v Speaker 1>Palestine resides in. According to the Washington Post after the

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<v Speaker 1>seen election, it was the number one highest performing Republican

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<v Speaker 1>district in the nation. The swing from the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and twelve election to the two thousand and sixteen election

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<v Speaker 1>when Donald Trump was elected was the biggest swing in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation. And according to many of the political thinking

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<v Speaker 1>heads in Washington, d C. This Eastern Seaboard, Eastern River

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<v Speaker 1>Board of Ohio is the most Republican red trending region

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<v Speaker 1>of the country. And so UM, I can certainly in

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<v Speaker 1>today's uh, you know, just everything is ideological or political.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, everybody's in there in their caves, hiding behind

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<v Speaker 1>their barriers. They know that this is a red district,

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<v Speaker 1>and they know that these are Republicans that live here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't want to accuse the secretary of making

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of determination, but I would hope that he

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<v Speaker 1>would understand that these are Americans, and he is the

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<v Speaker 1>Transportation Secretary for America. He's not the Transportation secretary for

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<v Speaker 1>South Bend, Indiana, Chicago, New York, and Los Angeles. What's

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<v Speaker 1>her message to the residents of East Palestine. What would

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<v Speaker 1>you like to say to them. I'm going to keep

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<v Speaker 1>fighting until we get you the answers that you deserve. UH,

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<v Speaker 1>not going to stop. We're on the we're on the

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<v Speaker 1>task and UH and we're going to remain there until

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<v Speaker 1>until you're satisfied that this has been resolved. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>your time, sir. I know you've got a busy day,

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<v Speaker 1>so I really appreciate you coming on the show and

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<v Speaker 1>bringing this to my audience's attention. I love to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back on to just see where things are in

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<v Speaker 1>the coming weeks. But I really appreciate your time and

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you, you you know, bringing this to America's attention. Time, Lisa,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reach out. I'll be glad to come back home.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Congressman Bill Johnson, who represents that part of Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate his approach. You know, he could have

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<v Speaker 1>taken cheap shots at the administration. He did not. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>he seems intently focused on getting answers for his district

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<v Speaker 1>and the residents of East Palestine, So you gotta respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank you guys at home for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to thank my producer, John Cassio for putting

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<v Speaker 1>the show together every Monday and Thursday, but you can

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