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So we're just gonna walk through this property, 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.640 small property here in the Ozarks, and I just want 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.760 to hear your commentary on the different species, maybe what 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:32.760 you think happened here, and maybe what you would if 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:36.080 you just had like a ten minute consultation with a client, 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.520 like you would say, yeah, hey, this is what you 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.920 should do if we were managing this for for white 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.799 tail deer. And uh, we've been doing a little logging 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.440 on the property. You guys will be glad to know. 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:51.160 I know you guys hate like can't full canopy cover? Um. 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:53.039 So yeah, I'm working on a barn over here. So 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:56.320 we cut down some oaks that we milled up, and 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:58.640 I'm amazed that you can take out one oak tree. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.719 Well how much lumber, but also how much canopy space? 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:06.159 I mean like I've got like what feels like room 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.240 for like a quarter ack or food thought after like, uh, 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:13.120 you know one time cutting down a tree. So let's 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:19.880 just walk up here. Hey, yeah, all right. Do you 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:28.960 guys have these white buck eyes or Ohio buck eyes 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:35.680 of man? I bet this property has a thousand Ohio 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.080 buck eyes on it. I mean, I'm serious, they are. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:41.000 It's kind of a weird sight for us to see 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:46.760 them in typically yeah bottom land, um, but it's are 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:51.560 there wet? Is this not hillside? No, usually typically dry. Yeah, 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.320 there there I've been some of them out. I've got 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.159 some that I really like. But so there's a lot 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:03.560 of limes stone in this area, surprisingly really good soil. 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.200 Like we have these big limestone like shelves. Like there's 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.400 parts of this property where you can see, yeah, big outcropference. 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:15.159 But if you're not, like if your shovel is not 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:19.520 hitting you know, a five thousand pound rock, you're in 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:24.040 pretty black dirt. Yeah, all right, tell tell you what. 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:27.840 It's an interesting forest composition here with you know, you've 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:31.919 got some taller Eastern red cedars thirty plus foot tall, 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:37.599 but then you have hedge or o say George Berry, 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:44.000 and then you have the um oak regeneration where there's 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.400 a little bit of sunlight. There is a major issue 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.360 that we see that will address more and more as 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:50.840 we move up through here. Can I guess what bush 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:56.520 honeysucker that's the place is full of it? And and 0:06:56.800 --> 0:07:00.400 how far are you from Flattville? So us off the 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:09.920 understanding Kansas City, St. Louis, these big metropolis areas in Illinois, Ohio. God, 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:12.840 you can just see it like spreading like a virus. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:18.800 So people don't say the coronavirus. Did anybody we are 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:22.040 staying pretty close to each other, did uh? Did they 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:25.680 bring that in for what? Ornamental? So a lot of 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:30.240 our No, no, but it's got tons of berries and 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.679 birds eat the berries and then they carry those berries 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:36.280 away poop mount woof, and you can just see it 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:41.040 just it goes from residential areas out to the rural areas. 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:44.640 So and what you see like with these tree species, 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.360 a lot of them are some of the first ones 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:50.040 from a tree species standpoint to come back after something 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:54.360 was open walnut, honey, locusts hedge, eastern red ceatar, and 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:57.280 per simmon in this point in the country. Yeah, that's 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.520 what you typically see come back from that first generation 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:05.760 forest would have been have been definitely definitely this was 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:08.960 open probably. I would like to honestly go back in 0:08:09.040 --> 0:08:11.080 Google Earth and see or see what the sight would 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.920 register as. But this was way back when very open. 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:21.560 Now close all secondary growth, so you know, go back 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:30.040 presettlement most likely glades, savannahs, open landscape because we're right 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:34.079 at that transition. You would have had that, you know, 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.640 but your south, your south slopes would still have raging 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:39.920 fires going up on them and so they would be 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:44.400 more open south and so then once fire was removed, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.640 then it started to you saw the tree species probably 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.640 transition over from the north and east slopes or areas 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.920 where fire wasn't as severe, so you would have um 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.040 the o' kickry transition more on the south and the 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.000 west facing slopes. But then when started getting logged out. 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.199 Here we are now where at some point it was 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:08.160 probably logged out, and then you have these tree species 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.240 that are here. Now do you think it would be 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.040 safe to say that this was probably logged like in 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:18.679 the nineteen forties or something, because there are some big oaks, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.200 like like we're looking at a start left here, there's 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:23.960 a big hole in the campy where I cut down 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.040 one of my better oaks on this property for that barn. Sure, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.280 And I mean we we counted the rings back on 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:34.280 that oak um, you know, like from just right on 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.480 the ground, and it was eight plus. Yeah, we kind 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.959 of it was. It was I think a northern red oak. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.080 It was definitely red oak, but it could have been 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.040 a spotted oak. Some people from spotted oaks. All right, 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.000 probably a northern red oak. Let's keep walking up there, um, 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:52.920 But I wouldn't say that a lot of these other 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:55.880 that's amazing. How fastened some of the cedars growing, how 0:09:55.920 --> 0:10:00.240 big and quick get Yeah, you nailed it, man, chink 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.040 a lot of chicka pin oak here, Like down two 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.120 hours south of here, you can't find a chinckapin oak. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.360 I mean it's not as rocky down there, probably is it. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:11.439 Maybe you know, like on the other side of the 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.360 Arkansas River down the wash toss like, you can't find 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.000 a chicken pan oak. This place wants to have chicken 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.559 pin oaks more than standard white oaks because of all 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:25.400 the you know we see at the site of chicken 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:31.600 pin oaks on bluffs creeks so rocky. Yeah, so that's 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.800 that's another sign that hey, this is or once was 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.760 very open, glady like. So right over here is where 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.520 I cut down a boat dark. There was a boat 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:46.400 dark right there that was probably twenty two at the 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.239 base and was straight as an arrow, which is unusual, 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.280 and it was I guess was because canopy was already 0:10:53.320 --> 0:10:56.720 around it, and so it just had the same thing 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:58.360 that you see with a lot of the seaters. Even 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.480 some of the heirs Simmons in here, they're typically straight, 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:05.480 but I mean they're big simmons on the cherry over there. 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:08.360 That's very straight. You can get the leaning to that 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:11.040 seat right there. Man, I'm surprised you didn't it. Man, 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.240 I would have cut that I was going to. But 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.000 it's this is like my trail, so you know, we 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.240 kind of gotta keep that one. But like, see here's 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:22.200 a big, big red oak, big nice red oak right there. Yeah, 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:25.319 this is like when we look here, it's it's a 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.240 it's it's diverse, which is great. You have some chink 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.800 a pins. But then like you look up here and 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:36.640 you've got per simmons which are tall and straight, and 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:39.880 that tells you that it was open. It was. Yeah, 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.280 there's another bit of black locust right there. There's a 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.760 honey locust just down below us. Again, those are some 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.640 of the first ones that will come back. Every farmer 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:50.400 deals with black locus, honeylocus coming in pastures well, because 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:51.959 that's the first thing that comes back in an opening 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.640 to make it in transition. Here, here's a good case 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.240 study right here. So when we bought this place, the 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.440 first thing I did was I cleared order acre food plot. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.600 Of course, that's what you're that's exactly what you're supposed 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:08.480 to do. So this was woods where we're going right now. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.439 This was all woods and I'm gonna tell you a 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.920 tragic Okay, I'm gonna tell you a story of triumph 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:18.640 of the white tail hunter. But then I'm also going 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.800 to tell you the same story in the same story, 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:24.719 a story of tragedy. Built this food plot, dug out 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:27.760 the stumps. You know, you could probably shoot forty yards 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.679 across this and uh, let's go, let's way through all this. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:36.320 You're probably good. You're probably good. Got it all probably 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.240 is easy to say, but we still have a two 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:45.560 hour drive. Good thing we didn't use Kolby's tick repellent chapstick. Okay. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.360 So this was in two thousand five. I cleared a 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.400 lane so from my house I could see this plot. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.880 It's since grown up. I saw a giant deer from 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.040 my house in two thousand seven, and this the deer 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:01.480 I ended up killing that, that big, big deer that's 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.360 in there. This field was a beautiful clover field. I mean, 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.880 this is pretty a clover food plot as you've ever seen. 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:11.960 The deer were hitting it well, So that's the victory, okay. 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.199 And what I was shocked with at the time was 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.480 that this was not the kind of place I wanted 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:19.360 a deer hunt. I mean, to me, deer hunting was 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:22.040 like going to some wild place, and here in my 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:27.280 backyard I had the suburban, pretty suburban backyard had these deer. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.079 But the reason I had these deer is because the 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:35.480 forty acres north of me was uninhabited. I killed two 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.240 real nice deer out of this food plot. And then 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.240 a guy bought that place who was a big deer 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.480 hunter and totally changed the deer hunting. What's well, he 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.920 just lived there. He just bought the land and was 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:51.800 a deer hunter, and more power to him. He just 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.120 started bringing in family and they killed deer, and he 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.760 actually killed a giant deer on that place. So do 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:01.959 you see the status my food plot? How dilapidated it is? 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.199 Lost interest in hunting here? After all, the potential for 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:13.120 big deer was pretty much gone. So anyway, this has 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.880 been grown up for seven years. So if on this 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.240 small property this opening, what would be most beneficial for 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.880 me to attract wildlife? Here? To do with this piece 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:23.640 of property? At one time I would say this was 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.240 close to a quarter acre. So I guess a big 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.600 question would be what are the this is the same 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.040 questions we always ask our clients want to kill a deer, 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:33.040 all right, so we want to kill a deer, just 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.040 any dere or a mature four and a half for 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.800 older buck, I'd like a three and one quarter. So 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:43.880 then we got to look at the neighborhood and say, 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:49.600 what's the limited resource here? Um? Is there food plots? 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.800 Most just like you told the story, Yeah, their food 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.480 plots in the area. People are feeding deer. Okay, so 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.480 that's right. Our saw out that different from Texas, right, 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:04.600 just more trees, but we still have good you could 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.520 and so uh, you know, feeding is a big thing. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:11.920 So you're not gonna be able unless you want to 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.560 spend a fortune to outbate your neighbor most likely. So okay, 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:18.440 what is something else? And this is where a lot 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:21.960 of people aren't doing this? But what happens to a 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:24.800 deer that gets pressure during the fall? He starts trying 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.960 to hold up get thicker cover. He's just trying to survive, 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.880 and that comes in the form of thickets, the best 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.800 cover that's also secure. So it's not getting he's not 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 even if you have the thickest area in the neighborhood, 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:41.880 if you walk through it every day, they're not going 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.000 to utilize it like they would. So if you could 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.560 turn in these thick pockets or use um just young 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:52.160 forest restoration, cut some timber let, some thickets, some stump 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.640 sprouts grow up, that's where hinge cutting is come in 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.920 really popular. If you do a mix, you can provide 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.800 a secure area for the d here, especially a maturity 0:16:01.920 --> 0:16:03.880 or who's keying in on a pressure a lot more 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.240 than a dough and a with a with a button 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.480 buck behind her that's coming into your yard every day. 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:12.320 So I would much prefer if if this is an 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:16.160 area we're in a state that you can bait, I 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.920 would much prefer to have quality cover then a quality 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:24.400 food plug. Well, there's food out there, as we're saying 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.000 through bait that's super easy to get to. It's always out. 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:29.320 What if I want to be cool and have a 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.960 food plot I can put on Instagram? What'd you doing that? 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:40.600 I think? I think clearly I don't property. You really 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.280 need to take in the neighborhood and what those other 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:47.560 resources are or aren't identify that limited resource here and 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.400 what we find in most places it is not only 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:53.800 just good cover, but suit the secure cover and then 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:58.520 hunt that because The thing is, it doesn't take reset 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.840 it get the cool season out. Well, I mean okay, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.480 but but you're not saying come back in here and 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.840 plant more clover. You could if you want to, and 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.960 then pick a spot just hundred yards that way or 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.000 whichever way the property lays, and get over there and 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.560 then cut into young forest pocket. It may be a 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.480 half acre where you just go in kind of do 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.720 what you did here, but lead the tops where they lay, 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:24.200 just cut them and and that creates. Now you have 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.800 pretty good food. You could have your feed er if 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.440 you want, so you've got a destination feeding area. But 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:35.280 then you have a couple of areas if you do them. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:45.200 Una always spied something. What is that? What does it 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:50.040 look like? Uh? We kind of looks like weak. So 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:53.080 it's a cool season grass. Its native but in a 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:58.800 practical sense a bottle brush right, bottle brush grass, that 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.720 is what it is. That's that's a pretty common that's 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:09.320 a cool see you'll find um. And of course so 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.680 I think elm cut elms. Yeah, they're not doing any good, 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.680 are they? Well? When they're you know, above the reach 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:18.640 of a deer. But elm is one of the species 0:18:18.680 --> 0:18:22.240 American elm. When you cut it, and it regenerates highly 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:25.600 palatable foods, and deer will go to that woody browse 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.800 over other species such a you know, another one is 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:34.040 flowering dogwood. Um, maples. There's a couple of maples and 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.080 stuff therough here. Cut those things that's additional foods or 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:41.040 greenbriers growing everywhere, encouraged that type of native forest to grow. 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.920 So we've worked now we created Land of Legacy in 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:47.800 two thousand seventeen, and we've worked in twenty seven states 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:52.480 across the country. Um, mainly about white tail deer. And 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:56.680 there's only a few tree species that we would say 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:02.440 we find deer highly selecting to eat the leaves. And 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:08.120 one of those probably the most popular, boat arc really crazy. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.520 It doesn't look like a leaf that a deer with eat. 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:16.240 It looks waxy, leathery, thick, but they just devour it. Yeah, 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:18.600 I'll be doing it. And so you may not notice 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:20.840 it because you have an abundance of it around here. 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.359 And and this is a pretty thick you know, you 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.520 have a lot of undergrowth. Yeah, unfortunately it's getting the 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:32.240 bush in bush honeysuckle. But um, yeah, you know another 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:35.720 tree that I've I've seen in this part of the 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:40.520 world deer selecting for their leaves is um is mulberry. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:43.600 That's the other one that at one time was watching 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.520 the dough feeding on acorns. It was it was in 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.159 the fall, the leaves returning, and I was sitting right 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.000 under this big, big mulberry and one of those you know, 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:54.600 the leaves are like five six inches across sometimes and 0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:58.000 this big leaf like you know, we kind of swoon 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:00.920 down to the ground and landed and that no walked 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.800 like thirty yards to pick that leaf. This and but 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.560 that's just observation though. In a tree stand and just 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:12.200 being out with nature, you see those things, and that 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:16.240 is obviously a preference. Right key into those preferences and 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.560 offer those types or or make that food available here 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.440 on the property where it's not being elsewhere that forty 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:23.920 acres at the guy bought, he's not gonna go in 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.719 there and do that kind of stuff. Diverse by your property, 0:20:26.840 --> 0:20:29.880 make it different by knowing what they like, what they're 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.479 attracted to, and make it where it's accessible to him. 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:37.160 Anybody who's hunted national forest is probably ran into clear 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:39.560 cuts before and gone. Well, it seems like those deer 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:41.879 really like that clear cut. But those could be fifty 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.080 acre clear cuts. We're talking half acre to an acre 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:51.359 to where it really congregates deer travel patterns, and so 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:53.880 it's like, well, there's still beneficial. Now, the same number 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:56.280 of deer wouldn't use that. That us a two acre 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.960 clear cut, but the deer in this area will certainly 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.480 key in on that and start using that. Summer tanagers 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:13.760 still saying, all right, we're at the Bare Honey Magazine 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:17.240 global headquarters. We just went on a little tour nature walk, 0:21:17.680 --> 0:21:23.920 nature walk. Yeah, so I've got Matt Die Adam Keith, 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:30.119 Colby moorehead with global headquarters. Um Man, thank you guys 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:33.040 for driving down here. I appreciate it absolutely. So you 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:37.520 guys are fellow Ozarker's that's right. So we're like, uh yeah, 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:40.360 so so you're like pretty much in your home turf here, 0:21:40.720 --> 0:21:44.159 so you're about two hours away from from where we 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:49.120 are here. I'm born and raised Ozarkian, Matt semi adopted. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.560 I guess that's just now home. You know, we've been 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.840 talking about a couple of times on the podcast. We've 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:57.040 been talking about tribalism and how that's bad. So I'm 0:21:57.040 --> 0:22:00.479 trying to reframe my mind to not say like us 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:04.080 and them like ozark ER's like versus the world. You know, 0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:06.640 that's kind of my world view. Is that what's coming 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:12.960 down to You're on the border, moved here from Dallas. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.119 He's doing really good. He's uh, he's kind of picking up. 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.800 You know. So you said us and them and Matt 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:25.200 and I are we those well yeah, undetermined those guys 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:28.760 from from the state line. Yeah, you know what. What 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:32.240 what is funny though, is that between here and there, 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:37.280 between like you know, our northwest Arkansas and Missouri, people 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:43.160 are really confused whether where the South starts. Absolutely because 0:22:43.280 --> 0:22:48.520 to me, southern Missouri exhibits the characteristics of an upland 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:53.600 southern culture. Yeah okay, uh so upland southern. You know, 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:55.280 like when you when you hear the words southern and 0:22:55.359 --> 0:22:58.400 here we go again travelism. Nope, we're just talking about 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.719 what we see. We're just a messenger here, observation. Now, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:04.879 like you know, like southern culture you would typically associate 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:11.680 with agriculture, swampland like like, and so that's not what 0:23:11.920 --> 0:23:15.399 this is at all. No. Um, but I heard a 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.400 phrase actually pretty recently about Upland Southern culture, which would 0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:23.879 be the Ozarks and the Highland Appalachian region. I was 0:23:23.880 --> 0:23:26.040 gonna say, because I came from the east and so 0:23:26.119 --> 0:23:28.520 I had a lot of experience Appalachia. And it's like 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.760 this compare and contrast. I have both experiences, like I 0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:36.720 put almost them together. That's got my heritage, you know, 0:23:36.840 --> 0:23:40.800 I'm I'm scotch Irish. And so when when we were 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:45.560 I guess my ancestors were brought over um it was 0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:50.960 and they and then they started taking homesteading or taking 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:56.040 up um home places. It was. It was the Appalachia's 0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.720 West Virginia and Virginia. And then whenever that started to 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.960 I guess when they started to move um and I 0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.280 guess with a little bit of history, Uh, when they 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:10.320 ran out of money, then they moved on to those arcs. 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.920 Because it was so much like West Virginia Virginia. I 0:24:14.000 --> 0:24:17.280 would think that, you know, in my mindset, if if 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.720 it didn't work back there, I wouldn't move to some 0:24:19.880 --> 0:24:23.439 place that looks very similar and again again. But they 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:25.720 did so here. That's why the Ozarks are one of 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:28.680 the poorest places in the country because they tried it 0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:32.760 again here and it didn't work again. You just stop 0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:36.400 in Kentucky or Tennessee. I read just the other day 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.320 that um, at one time in the Ozarks of Arkansas, 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:46.240 seventy percent of the settlers were from Mid Tennessee Middle Tennessee. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:49.720 So we have we had a ton of overlap with 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.920 culture between Middle Tennessee and in Eastern Tennessee as well. 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.240 But like that was like the travel route, and you 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.520 can see how patterns started to develop in communities because 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:03.040 you know, there would be these communities that formed and 0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:08.320 then they're like, hey, Jim and Sue moved to Arkansas. Yeah, 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:11.760