1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, it's Sophia. Welcome to work in progress. Welcome 2 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: back to work in progress friends. Today we have one 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: of my favorite coworkers ever and one of the most 4 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: incredible women who I've ever been lucky enough to call 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: my mom on screen. Today I am interviewing actor, writer, philanthropist, 6 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: and all around Hollywood icon Lauren Holly. She has built 7 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: a career defined not just by those iconic roles, but 8 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 1: by an ability to step away, recalibrate, and redefine and 9 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: redetermine success on her own terms in so many versions 10 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: of our artistry. And Lauren is so much fun to 11 00:00:56,600 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: be around, and so incisive and so brilliant, probably because 12 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: she grew up in a family steeped in academia and storytelling, 13 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: and that foundation shaped her creative instincts and her sense 14 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: of personal purpose. She went on to use her artistic 15 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: voice across every single popular genre, from outrageous comedies like 16 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Dumb and Dumber to character driven dramas like Picket Fences 17 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: and Chicago Hope. Lauren is such an incredible scenestealer and 18 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: chameleon because she manages to ground a story, any kind 19 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: of story she's in, bringing her intelligence and warmth and 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: emotional credibility. I can say from experience, she elevates whatever 21 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: she takes on. I had the incredible privilege of getting 22 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: to see it up close on the set of our 23 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: movie broad Trip, which premieres onro Cool this Friday. Let's 24 00:01:52,920 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: dive in with my mama, Lauren Holly. I'm so excited 25 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: people get to see our movie this week. I just 26 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: don't even know how to contain it. Did you watch 27 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: it not yet? Have you seen it? 28 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: No? 29 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 3: I haven't seen it yet. 30 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 31 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 2: It's so funny because I wanted to see it so much. Yeah, 32 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: but earlier, and now that it's closer, I kind of. 33 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: Want to wait. I know, it's kind of a strange thing. 34 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: It's weird. It's like part of me wants to watch 35 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: it and part of me doesn't want to watch it 36 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: without you. So I'm like, either we have to be together, 37 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: or we have to do this and get on a 38 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: zoom and watch it like on our TVs at the 39 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: same time. 40 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, something like that. 41 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Okay, we'll figure it out. I want to go back 42 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: before we get into the movie and all things now. 43 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: I actually want to go back, and I don't even mean, 44 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: like how do you start acting. I mean, like way 45 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: before I know a little bit of the story for 46 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: the fans at home, long before you figured out what 47 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: you wanted your career to be, long before anybody knew you. 48 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: What was childhood like for you, Like when you were 49 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: nine or ten years old? Where were you, what was 50 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: your family structure? Were you already performing you know, as 51 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: you were starting to approach double digits, did you kind 52 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: of have a sense yet or was it still coming? 53 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 2: No, still coming. I had very young parents. They got 54 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 2: pregnant very early and were sort of struggling, I guess, 55 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 2: like you know, financially and all of that, and like 56 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 2: putting each other through school and that sort of stuff. 57 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: When I was nine or ten, I had my first 58 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: little brother. I was seven when he was born. Oh 59 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: and the thing about my family was it seemed like 60 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: everyone in my family had children very young untill me. 61 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: So consequently I had multiple generations around me. And I 62 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 2: actually have a picture of five generations of women, which 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: is so crazy because it's me, my mom, my grandmother, 64 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: my great grandmother, and my great great grandma, which is 65 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: a really cool picture to have. And I think maybe 66 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 2: the actor thing was forming only because having all of 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: those generations around. I have so many core memories of 68 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: being in the center of a room, like at holidays 69 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 2: or whatever, and anything I did drew applause from many people. 70 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: So I think that I became comfortable. 71 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 3: Like with that performative sort of attitude. 72 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and we've talked a little bit about this. 73 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: I know you grew up in a college town, and 74 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: I'm curious now because you are. You're such a fascinating, 75 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: fascinated person. You're curious, you love to learn, you love 76 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: to get to know people, and I wonder, as you 77 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: think about it, how much do you think the kind 78 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: of academic, intellectual world that was all around you shaped 79 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: the way you saw the world? Do you think it 80 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: inspired your curiosity? 81 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: Oh, one hundred percent. Because my parents were always discussing 82 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 2: things that were like different and sort of mind opening 83 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: from you know, what my friends. 84 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: Were talking about at school. 85 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: And not only that, but just because they were both academics, 86 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 2: my world was broadened from such a small town. Because 87 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 2: I grew up in Geneva, New York, that was about 88 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: eighteen thousand people. But when I was twelve, for example, 89 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 2: we moved to London, England for a year for my 90 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: parents to do research and write, and all of a sudden, 91 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 2: I was like this cosmopolitan kid going to the international school, 92 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 2: taking the you Tube and buses all over London by myself, 93 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: Like it was kind of crazy. And so to then 94 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: return to my town of eighteen thousand people wearing my 95 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 2: skinny corduroys and my high heel clogs, which was a 96 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: very European influence, you know, my world definitely broadened a bit. 97 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you moved for research, given that it 98 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: was a year for them, I think you said, did 99 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: it feel less shocking and more just like, oh, we're 100 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: going on a family adventure and then we'll wind up 101 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: coming home. 102 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was a family adventure because it wasn't. 103 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: A permanent move, so you know, you weren't afraid of that, 104 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: and it was It was just very exciting because, for instance, 105 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: I played the flute, and you know, in fourth grade 106 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: in my town, you picked an instrument, and that's what 107 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 2: I picked, and I was like playing along. But when 108 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 2: I went to London, I got into the Royal Academy 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: of Music and Dramatic Arts because of it, and that 110 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: was that probably started my whole trajectory to study music 111 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 2: there and go through the examinations. I had to take 112 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: the acting. I became a junior member of the company, 113 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: which basically meant, you know, I kept the bathrooms clean 114 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: and whatnot, but I got to take all of the classes. 115 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: So it's like gave me this I don't know, kind 116 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: of foundation in a way about performing and what it's 117 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 2: like to be in a theater company and whatnot at 118 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: such a young age, from such a big city that 119 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 2: I sort of took back with me. And I think 120 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 2: that really by the time I got to college, even 121 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: though I wasn't studying theater, it just gave me the confidence, 122 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: I think to audition for my first play in college, 123 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 2: which set the whole arc of my career. 124 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what a gift that kind of exposure 125 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: at that age, to have something where you sort of 126 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: find yourself and you build your confidence and you learn 127 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: the ropes of something that's so special. 128 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: It was definitely baptism by five, you know, at that time, 129 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 2: even just to think that my parents kind of gave 130 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: me free reign of the city of this giant city 131 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: that I suddenly lived in and I could like take 132 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 2: public transportation everywhere. This was like completely new to me 133 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: because in my small town, I kind of lived on 134 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 2: the edge of my small town that was like a 135 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 2: kind of far bike ride or I was so dependent 136 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 2: on my parents for a ride anywhere. And now having 137 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: the autonomy to just like jump on a tube and 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 2: go wherever I wanted was so thrilling. 139 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: So that's so cool. And then what is the tie 140 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: because I know, I know in the family, you're really 141 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: connected to Hobart and to William Smith Colleges. How do 142 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: they fit into the kind of larger Holly family equation. 143 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: Well, so Hobart William Smith is one college. Oh it is, Yes, 144 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: it's called Hobart William Smith Colleges. I'm not exactly sure 145 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: that history of why that is. I think at some 146 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: point it might have been the male side and the 147 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,439 Speaker 2: female side of course, but it's all just one. And 148 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 2: my mother ended up getting her undergraduate degree from there 149 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 2: when I was like a freshman in high school. My 150 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: dad was a tenured professor, beloved professor. He ended up 151 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: teaching there for fifty two years. And it's just a 152 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: really it's a really strong liberal arts school that had 153 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: a grade of lacross team that I used to do 154 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: the stats for and it's just, you know, the town 155 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: is sort of that's one of the main industries that 156 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: the whole town is built around. 157 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, very intense. 158 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: That's really cool and something I just I want to 159 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 1: give you your flowers for. We got to talk about 160 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: this a bit when we were working in Canada. But 161 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: I just think it's so special that, you know, years later, 162 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: after your brother sadly passed away, you started a Holly 163 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: I'm going to cry, am I okay, I'm like gom 164 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Boud to get my period. You started the Holly Family 165 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: Fund at the college in his honor, And I don't know, 166 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: I just think it's such a beautiful thing to offer 167 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:40,560 Speaker 1: love in the spirit of someone's legacy and to really 168 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: give opportunities. 169 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 170 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: The thing is is that the Holly Family Fund started 171 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: with my brother Alexander, and it was originally called the 172 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 2: A Fund because we would call him A and because 173 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: he was just he was enamored with art and architecture 174 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 2: and he would build fantastic cities with his blocked and 175 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: everything else and was like a curious kid, and so 176 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: we wanted to give a scholarship and then unfortunately, with 177 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 2: the passing of my other brother and my father and 178 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 2: it became it's a big deal. Now it's a scholarship. 179 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 2: It's one of the ones they compete for at the school. 180 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 2: It's a four year scholarship. And I'm just really proud that, 181 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: you know, and it's not just we pick the people 182 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: who get the scholarship really because of their sort of 183 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 2: attitude and curiosity and interests. It's not necessarily you know, academic, 184 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: which can be hard to compete for in these times. 185 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: And it's definitely some financial aid needed and all of that, 186 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 2: and so I'm proud for that, and I love reading about. 187 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 3: The recipients that are chosen each year. 188 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just so cool. I also love, you know, 189 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 1: to sort of personalize it for us latedies who make films. 190 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: I just love any sort of reminder as well that actually, 191 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: to be an actor, you're probably pretty academic. Like we're 192 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: nerdy little researchers, but people don't realize that about us. Yeah, 193 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: I think your legacy with your whole family, of your 194 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: strong academic tradition is something I just love. 195 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: It's funny because I don't hear about it as much anymore. 196 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: And I love that you brought that up because now 197 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: that there's all these like influencers and whatnot that are 198 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: becoming actors. 199 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,559 Speaker 3: But I know that for me when. 200 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 2: I first started, it was Francis Ford Coppola and his 201 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: producer Fred Bruce who sort of gave me my first chance. 202 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,199 Speaker 2: And one of the things that they were most interested 203 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: in was my academic background. Yes, they thought that that 204 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: really supported me in being an actress. They thought, you know, 205 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: like reading and critical thinking and you know, all of 206 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: that stuff was so important and I love that and 207 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: it became something that I definitely you know, I'm a 208 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: Sarah Lawrence graduate and I had you know, Joseph Campbell 209 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: and Louise Rose as my professors, and I would like 210 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: talk about this all the time, and it helped me 211 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: propel my career, which I think is a little bit 212 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: different than now. 213 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 3: I'm not sure, but it seems like it is. 214 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: It's just so cool to me. I yeah, what what 215 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: was that? 216 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: Like? 217 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the it's a pretty big sentence 218 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 1: to drop like, oh, early in my career, Francis fort Gofla, Like, ma'am, 219 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: what can you paint that picture for us? Now? I 220 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: know nine and ten really clearly, But what happens we 221 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: fast forward? You are pursuing acting, You're entering the industry. 222 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: How did that happen? Like, what did it look like? 223 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: Did you pack up your car and drive to La 224 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: you know what was the vibe? 225 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 2: No? What happened was I was in I was at 226 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 2: Sarah Lawrence and I auditioned for a play on campus 227 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: that a guest director was coming to do, called The Diviners. 228 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: And I got the play and it was the lead role. 229 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: And everyone was kind of upset on campus because I 230 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 2: wasn't in the theater department. It was like, ooh, what 231 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 2: the heck? And to make matters worse, the play was successful. 232 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: The director was taking it back to New York off 233 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 2: Broadway and asked me to do it for six while 234 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: I was a student. And that's where Francis word Coppola 235 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: and Fred Ruth saw me in the play, and so 236 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 2: they offered me a movie that they were producing called 237 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: Seven Minutes in Heaven. That was Jennifer Connelly's first movie. 238 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: She was like twelve or thirteen and Maddy Korman a 239 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 2: bunch of people and they would come pick me up 240 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: on campus in a station wagon. Senior year while I 241 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 2: made this movie, and it was so strange. I couldn't 242 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: believe it. And then Fred the producer, was really instrumental 243 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: in saying to me, I'm going. 244 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: To help you. 245 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 2: I'm going to support you. I think this is what 246 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: you should do. And I was going to law school, 247 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: so I decided to defer my admission. And I was 248 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: so scared to tell my parents, these academics, that I 249 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: was going to try to be an actor, and I 250 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: didn't tell them, and I stressed out. And then finally 251 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: graduation day, at my lunch, I drank pretty much and 252 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: told them kind of drunk that I was. 253 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 3: Not going to go to law school. And I was surprised. 254 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 2: Because they were like stoked, and they were like that's great, 255 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: like we can see this and you got your college 256 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: degree and it doesn't matter. And so my first job, 257 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 2: I moved into Manhattan from Sarah Lawrence. It's went to 258 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 2: a big deal to like Halfnaur and Ellie Coppola. Francis's 259 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 2: wife paid me one hundred dollars a day to walk 260 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: around their apartment living room at the Sherry Netherland modeling 261 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: her dresses she designed for buyers. And in between I 262 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: would go in Francis's study and look at his oscar 263 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: on his show, and that's how I started and I 264 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: ended love getting my. 265 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 3: First movie that summer. 266 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: That's so cool. 267 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 3: Everyone goes in a different way, I mean. 268 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And now a word from our sponsors 269 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: that I really enjoy and I think you will too. 270 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: What do you think you learned about yourself? Where you 271 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: learned about pressure in that early stage of your career, 272 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: because yes, you're being courted by Hollywood Royalty, and you're 273 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: also paying the bills by like modeling the dresses. I 274 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: did that and like a buyer in la in high 275 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: school to pay for things like you know, how do 276 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: you think you kind of started not just to get 277 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: into it, but to really cut your teeth. 278 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: I think it's just, you know, I feel badly for 279 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: people starting out now because fact that I could even 280 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 2: do that then in Manhattan. You know, granted, I would 281 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 2: have roommates and stuff. I'd find places. I was waitressing 282 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: and bartending and doing you know, infomercials like you know, 283 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: strange stuff. 284 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 3: But I could do it. 285 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: I could thread it together make enough money to keep trying, 286 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 2: going on those auditions, running all. 287 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 3: Over the city. 288 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: And I don't know how people do it now. It's 289 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: like way too expensive. It's crazy, and I just I 290 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: don't know. I just always had this belief that it 291 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: was going to work. Yeah, and there were a lot 292 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 2: of magical things that just kind of happened, and like 293 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: one thing that led to another, and it did and. 294 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 3: I just kept going. 295 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: I mean when you just think about also to your point, 296 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: the era, you know, like the nineties rom com the 297 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: big you know, over the top comedies that defined a 298 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: whole generation. I mean, you you were at the helm 299 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: of all of that stuff in the moment. Did it 300 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: feel sort of fresh and magical or was it just 301 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: where the tide was going and you were on the boat. 302 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,959 Speaker 2: I think it was where the tide was going and 303 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: I was on the boat, and I look back at 304 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 2: it now and I'm just like, holy crap, Like I 305 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 2: almost wish I had like slowed down a little bit 306 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 2: and enjoyed it, because the industry. 307 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: Has changed so much now. 308 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 2: And you know, I was one of the first people 309 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 2: that was really bridging television and movies. 310 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 3: And I would be on a series and make like 311 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: four movies a year. That was kind of my thing. 312 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: And so it was constant, like there was a season 313 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 2: of Okay, there's press junkets and award shows and this 314 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: is what we're doing, and you know, just. 315 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 3: One right after the other. 316 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: And I guess I kind of thought like, this is 317 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: the way it is, but it's not like I want 318 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 2: the lottery. 319 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 3: And it was so thrilling at the time. 320 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: And I don't think you really realize it until you 321 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 2: get off the train, because our business is a little 322 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 2: bit like a high school and there's like certain popular 323 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: groups for the. 324 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 3: Moment, you know, and that's kind of what happens. 325 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 2: And so it's interesting to look back on it now 326 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 2: and see it and also see how just how much. 327 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 3: It's all you know, a streaming and everything. 328 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 2: And yeah, I talk frequently about what it was like 329 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 2: to be on a television series then when there was 330 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: only four real stations. 331 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you actually got a chance to find an 332 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: audience and not develop a character, and yeah. 333 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: Exactly, Like it's just so different now. 334 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: It's also crazy to me to think, like it was 335 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: before the industry really started squeezing, everything seemed like it 336 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: was really still expanding. You know, you'd go to shoot 337 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: a movie for three months, not twenty two days if 338 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: you're lucky, and you what time. 339 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: A movie I did called Dragon for Universal, we shot 340 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 2: in Hong Kong, Macau, Los Angeles are I think we 341 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 2: had one hundred and twelve days was our shooting start. 342 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 3: So this was like what was normal? 343 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, And now like with movies, you know how many 344 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: movies would actually go to Hong Kong would go to Macau? 345 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: Like it's changed. 346 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 1: Maybe a Tom Cruise movie. 347 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe. 348 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: And that's just because he wants to hang off the 349 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: side of the building. I can't, you know, He's like 350 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: he's that cool that he's like, no, we're going and 351 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:39,639 Speaker 1: then the studio says, Okay, it's it's got to be 352 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: crazy too, because and look, I know this happens to 353 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: women differently than it does to men. But you know, 354 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: you you were the top of the pyramid in television 355 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: and film and all these big movies, and you know, 356 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: you had a very public moment and a very public 357 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: relationship with another person at the top of his pyramid, 358 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: and like, do you think it was helpful for the 359 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: two of you to share that experience and the craziness 360 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: of it together or looking back, does it feel like 361 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 1: the personal professional like maybe people care too much about 362 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: the personal side, because I know how it feels for me. 363 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, but it was different then because first of all, 364 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: there wasn't all the social media or anything, right, so 365 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: the only way they knew about us in our relationship 366 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: was there were like television. 367 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 3: Shows that would focus on it, like these things like 368 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 3: the entertainment shows, Entertainment Tonight, you know. 369 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: And those sort of things, or like newspapers or magazines, right. 370 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 2: And I think that there's a certain amount of energy. 371 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: I think people are energy, and you sort of breed 372 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: positive energy and when you. 373 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: Get into a situation. 374 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: I think we definitely sort of highlighted each other in 375 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: a lot of ways. And I don't think if you know, 376 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 2: if you look back at what we were both doing 377 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 2: in our relationship, it's really cool because we were both 378 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: you know, growing exponentially, and I think we helped each 379 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: other and probably he helped me more, even though at 380 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: the beginning I. 381 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 3: Was the one who was more well known. 382 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: Like it was kind of strange, but our group of 383 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 2: friends at the time, everybody exploded, so it was kind 384 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 2: of like I think it was energetic that we were 385 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: all had the same goal and like doing stuff. And 386 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Speaker 2: I think it's different now because people are so spread 387 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: out like back then, it you know, Los Angeles was 388 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 2: really kind of the focus of the entertainment industry, so 389 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 2: you pretty much had to be there and doing stuff 390 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: and meeting people. And I think that's accelerated that you know, 391 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 2: energetic thing. 392 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: It's very different now, it's changed. 393 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: So I mean, look at you, Yeah, I mean for 394 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:09,719 Speaker 1: the friends at home. I'm referring to the frenzy of 395 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: excitement around the Lauren Hally and the Jim Carrey, who 396 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: were a couple, you know, for a time, And something 397 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: I really value when we've worked together and I've asked 398 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: you questions, is like the lovely fondness you still offer. 399 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: I think it's so great when people have a time 400 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: in their journey together and even if the context of 401 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: that time changes, the love continues. Yeah, And I think 402 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: to your point, I'm realizing as you're saying, like for you, 403 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: for Jim, for everyone around you, guys, for Jeff, like 404 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,880 Speaker 1: the whole gang. It's almost like those moments you see 405 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: in sports where they say, oh, no one's ever run 406 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: a sub three minute mile, and then somebody does it, 407 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: and then five more people do it within the next 408 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: three months. You're right, it is energetic. You see something 409 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: you're you're a witness to something, you feel the energy 410 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: of it, and then that energy is in your box. 411 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: And then you move forward towards it too. 412 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like there's something very positive about that and very 413 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: and I think it's still important for people, at least 414 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 2: I think so to align yourself with people who have 415 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 2: the sort of same energetic thing too. 416 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 1: It's very Yeah, yeah, it's interesting, I really and we'll 417 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: get to the movie closer to the end, but I 418 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: had that same experience working with you, Like the joy 419 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,640 Speaker 1: of making a movie with you was feeling like we 420 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: were in a good way, like in a tug of war. 421 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:37,959 Speaker 1: You'd do something, and then I do something, and then 422 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,440 Speaker 1: you do something, and it was like we were building 423 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: together all the time. 424 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 2: You definitely had a very great chemistry. Yeah, so like 425 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: and there was a certain. 426 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: Confidence that came to working with you that I really 427 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: enjoyed with me too. 428 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: It was like, weird, It's like I knew you were 429 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 2: going to be there, like you were going to give 430 00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 2: me stuff. You're gond like like all that. When I 431 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 2: the window after the first day, like that's yeah, and 432 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: that makes it easier too, right, Like there's something about 433 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 2: like a confidence that you just sort. 434 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: Of fit in I believed our relationship. 435 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,479 Speaker 2: I kind of felt our relationship. Yeah, me too, and 436 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: so everything else just kind of went by the wayside. 437 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 2: And it was weird because the moment that I met you, 438 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 2: you walked into a conference room when we were about 439 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 2: to do a read through, and the moment I met you, 440 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 2: I knew it was weird. 441 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: I felt the same, and you were very generous. The 442 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: friends at home listening won't be surprised by this, but 443 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: I walked into the conference room and I was like, 444 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: we can do our read in just one moment, but 445 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 1: I just have to express that I'm freaking out that 446 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm doing this movie with you, and you were so 447 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: sweet about it, and I was like, Okay, she's not 448 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: like perturbed, and now that it's out of my system, 449 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,120 Speaker 1: I can be a normal coworker. 450 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: No, it was just so sweet, but it was just 451 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: such a good I just I don't know, I just 452 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 2: felt like we connected somehow, and that just kept going. Yeah, 453 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: and it was just every day I knew that there'd 454 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: be something that would be good that would happen that 455 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 2: day in. 456 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: A scene totally totally we found so many things off 457 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: the page and it really makes me think about something 458 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: you know. I love that you talk about the industry 459 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: in a way that is very authentic and weighty but 460 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: also fun, and you managed to talk about the importance 461 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: of happy sets and environments, you know, without ego and 462 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: like I don't know, you do it in this way 463 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: that I think reminds everyone not to take it all 464 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: so seriously, but also to be kind. I think sometimes 465 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: when I get amped about like and it should be 466 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,160 Speaker 1: like this, I can lean a little into the serious. 467 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: And I'm curious for you, like that sense of joy 468 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: that you want, which does lead to a better professional outcome. 469 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: How do you let that be an ingredient essentially in 470 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: your recipe of choice when you're looking at a job opportunity. 471 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really about the people that you're 472 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: going to work with. 473 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: And the thing is is that you. 474 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 2: Don't always know our particular project. You were the unknown 475 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 2: thing to me. I didn't know what you were. 476 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 3: Going to be like. 477 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 2: And to be honest, I wasn't worried about you as 478 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: an actor. I was worried about how you thought about 479 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: the world right now. Like this mattered to me because 480 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm so stressed out about everything in the world that 481 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 2: I didn't want someone who had a different worldview than me, 482 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: especially in a movie that I knew it was going 483 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: to be mainly the two of us. 484 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 3: Often in a car, knuck in a car. So I was. 485 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 2: It was the first time I ever really considered that, 486 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 2: to be honest, and I did, and I'm really happy 487 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 2: I did. And I quickly realized, you know, with two 488 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: minutes of scoping you out, that we were going to 489 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: be on the same worldview, and it sort of was 490 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 2: able to put that in my pocket because a happy 491 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 2: set is everything, and right now, I just don't think 492 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 2: I could have handled it if we had been on 493 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: opposite sides. 494 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: Of that fence totally. 495 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that would have been difficult. 496 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 2: And as much as sometimes you have to put those 497 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: things aside, I don't think I'm capable of it at 498 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: this point in our world. 499 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: Well yeah, it's it's not two thousand and four anymore. 500 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: Like things are just very different. And I and I similarly, 501 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, I was so excited about the work with you, 502 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: and then when I sort of come through the things 503 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: you talk about online, I was like, Oh, that's my girl, 504 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: like right to go to like talk some political with her. 505 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: This is gonna be Yeah, So. 506 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 2: We kind of got that out of the way, like 507 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: that was good, and I knew that we were sort 508 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: of the same moral fiber, I guess, yeah. And then 509 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: it was just about if there was like a chemistry 510 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,959 Speaker 2: that was it, and we were just lucky because not 511 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: having met, not auditioning together, not anything, we just had 512 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 2: no idea if there was that chemistry, if people would 513 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: buy it. And I just felt that immediately from that 514 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: first meeting. I was like, Okay, I'm not worried about 515 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 2: this anymore either. 516 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like special sauce. I don't know what 517 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: it is. 518 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: It's just like you can't really quantify it or anything, right, 519 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 2: Like it's just special sauce. 520 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: And everybody knows when it's happening, you know, it's it's funny. 521 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: I just was on a zoom with the Roku folks 522 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: last week and they were like, it's our favorite movie 523 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: we ever made. We can't get and I was like, great, 524 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: because Laurena and I want to make a sequel, and 525 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: then we want to make the third, and the fourth 526 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: and the fifth, like we want to go on a 527 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 1: broad trip every summer exactly. I've pitched a number of 528 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: I did I. 529 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: Did the same thing. I did the same thing. 530 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: Good hearing it in stereo, yeah, everywhere. But it's sweet 531 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: to see people, you know, like the people I was 532 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: on this call with were not people I'd met before, 533 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: and just to hear the excitement and to know how 534 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: amped everyone is across the board. You're right, that sort 535 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: of chemistry is it permeates the air. Like what you 536 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Speaker 1: were saying earlier about the energy in the friendly it's 537 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: the same thing, and it's really nice to be a 538 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: part of it. 539 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 3: It's the same thing. 540 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: And if I were going to give advice to anybody 541 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 2: young starting out in anything, is just really manage who 542 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: your friends are and think about what everybody's goals are 543 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 2: and who they are really because it multiplies. 544 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: I love that, you know, when you think about that 545 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of energy, that that thing that spreads in a 546 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: positive way. I wonder if it relates to the audience 547 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: at large too, because when I think about it, You've 548 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: starred on so many fan favorites, Like when I think 549 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: about the TV side for you, Picket Fences, Chicago, Hope, 550 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: and Cis, like these are shows people ride hard for 551 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: and I wonder, you know, with that much positive energy 552 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: around your projects. Do you still feel that kind of 553 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: emotional attachment to any of those worlds or any of 554 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: those characters, Like, do they still feel like they're sort 555 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: of in you? 556 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: Definitely. I think we all have some, you know, characters 557 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 2: that we play that sort of travel with us. 558 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 3: In a way. 559 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 560 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: I don't know what it was about Picket Fences. 561 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 2: I think that it was the first time I ever 562 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 2: had somebody write specifically for me, and that made such 563 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: a big difference. I wasn't trying to fit into a part. 564 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: David E. 565 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 2: Kelly definitely sort of he created this world and then 566 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 2: once he knew all of us really started writing to 567 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 2: our strengths, and I just I loved it, and it 568 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: just that has such a golden place in my heart. 569 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: I just recently, I was in Los Angeles and I 570 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: saw David and I just adore him so much. 571 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 3: Like that was just, you know, thirty years ago, and 572 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: it stuck with me. 573 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that's I think when you 574 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 2: have I think there are certain experiences like that as 575 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 2: an actor, and I'm sure you've had them too, that 576 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: just certain projects will resonate with you for years and 577 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: years and years, and you know, as opposed to I 578 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 2: frequently do this, like when you're dressing as a character. 579 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, the part finishes and I move 580 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 2: on into life, but I take a piece of that 581 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 2: character with me, you know, like all of a sudden, 582 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 2: I'm wearing giant ear rings or you know, like something 583 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: that I just. 584 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: Never heard before. 585 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 2: But I got so comfortable doing that that those residual 586 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 2: effects seem to last. 587 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: With me for a while totally. Well, there was a 588 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: pair of sunglasses you had on our movie that they 589 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: had multiples of and at the end they were like, 590 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: do you want anything, which was crazy because they never 591 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 1: do that, and it's like, I just want a pair. 592 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: I want a pair of those, And it's funny. It's 593 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: like your character influenced me Cherry Tomatoes and my olives. Yeah, 594 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: and now for our sponsors before we get into the movie, 595 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 1: including the incredible accessories you were wearing. I just like, 596 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: I wonder when you think about your career as a whole, 597 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: because the things that you've done and the spectrum of 598 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: performances you've delivered, and now the incredible writing that you're doing, 599 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: the development that you're doing, Like I'm over here like 600 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: chomping at the bit for a script. I'm dying. 601 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. 602 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: It's like you you seem to me as a newer, 603 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, friend and coworker in your life, like somebody 604 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: who just continues to expand her purview. And I wonder 605 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: do you feel like, do you look at the sort 606 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: of directions you move in as a series of pivots 607 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: or do you kind of think about it as you 608 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: get to a point where you feel like you're ready 609 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: to include sort of the next circle and pull in 610 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: the next set of you know, experiences or tests or something. 611 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 3: I think it's that. 612 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think, honestly, it's just how life unfolds 613 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 2: for people. Know. 614 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 3: I don't know that I had the time years ago 615 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 3: to try to expand. 616 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: What I did and write and do all that, mainly 617 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 2: because I was a mom and I was and it 618 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 2: was just, you know, there was just a lot like 619 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 2: I felt like I was always under the gunner's schedule. 620 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 2: And now that my kids are all like grown ups 621 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: and their own people, I think I'm going back to 622 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,439 Speaker 2: something that I always wanted to do. Yeah, so that's 623 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 2: kind of why it's expanding, And it's just this is 624 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: the way it is in our industry, you know, you 625 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 2: have there. You you do slow down as you get older, 626 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:47,720 Speaker 2: or maybe it's even that you get a little more picky. 627 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, it's. 628 00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 2: I say no more than I say yes now. And 629 00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 2: also I get like the writing thing has definitely sort 630 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,479 Speaker 2: of overtaken. It's something that I spend a lot of. 631 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 3: My time doing now. 632 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's exciting that it's moving forward. So but 633 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: you just have to keep pushing that forward. It's not easy. 634 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 2: And in this the way the business is now, like 635 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 2: it's I'm almost hoping that all these giant mergers and 636 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 2: these threats of things are like a real kick in 637 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: the ass for independent film. Like I'm hoping something happens 638 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: that you know that, because otherwise it's just getting really distressing. 639 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: There's less, I know, it feels weird. It's interesting. You know, 640 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,319 Speaker 1: you talk about following your own curiosity and following the 641 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: changing tides of the industry, but you touched on something 642 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: too that there was a period where you know, you 643 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: just didn't have time to be writing and acting and 644 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: doing the things and raising three boys. You know, we 645 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,800 Speaker 1: talked a little bit about this when we were filming. 646 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: But you know, your your choice to shift. Granted, yes, 647 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: La is not the center of the universe of the 648 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: industry anymore, but your choice to shift, even as a 649 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: family and raise the boys in Canada. When you look back, 650 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: you know, what do you think about making that move 651 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: for that Like, what were you most hoping to give 652 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,360 Speaker 1: them by making that choice? 653 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 2: Well, I think that the shift to Canada was better 654 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 2: for my boys than it was for me as an actor. Sure, 655 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 2: and you know, I was here, I was working, and 656 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: I ended up doing two fairly long term series back 657 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,319 Speaker 2: to back and living here, and by the you know, 658 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 2: like in the middle of that, the boys were now 659 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: like in middle school and were like, hey, hey, hey, 660 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 2: like we're not going to go back because they didn't 661 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: even remember Los Angeles at that point, right, and they 662 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: had friends and they had things here. And I look 663 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: at it now and I think that they're all different 664 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: people because they were raised in Canada and not sort 665 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,400 Speaker 2: of in like, you know, Beverly Hills in Los Angeles 666 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 2: with an actor mom, Like, I think they would have 667 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 2: been like really different. And so I'm very happy that 668 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 2: I did that. And two of them have gone back 669 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 2: to the States. One of them has stayed in Canada. 670 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,799 Speaker 2: But they're all they all feel very Canadian. Yeah, so 671 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: I think it was better for them, and as far 672 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 2: as for me, it ended up being great because you know, 673 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: I'm meaningful to productions here, so I kind of constantly 674 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: am asked to join projects or whatever. But I don't 675 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: think it's as I don't think Canada has sort of 676 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 2: a star system like the United States does, So there's 677 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 2: advantages and disadvantages to that. Like I lead a very 678 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: easy life here. Nobody's like any you know, they don't 679 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 2: care that I do this, Like, you know, nobody's like 680 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 2: there's no paparazzi or anything like that, you know. But 681 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 2: at the same time, there's not that which sort of 682 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 2: gives you that push, you know. 683 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like it's a both and kind of thing. 684 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,120 Speaker 3: It's at both end. 685 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 2: But from the point of view of my family, I 686 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: think it was a great decision. 687 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really cool. I do not want to stop 688 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,399 Speaker 1: talking to my favorite lady, but I have definitely run 689 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: us out of time for today. We will be back 690 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: with a special bonus episode to talk all about our 691 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,040 Speaker 1: movie Broad Trap with Lauren Holly. See you back here soon.