1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Monday edition of the program. Congratulations to the Eagles and 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: to the Chiefs advancing to the Super Bowl. Novak Djokovic 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:22,599 Speaker 1: will probably talk about that at some point wins the 6 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Australian Open in a victory for everyone who has refused 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: to get the COVID shot because it is worthless, but 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: good news to start on Monday, there were significantly no 9 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: riots of consequence in the wake of the Tyree Nichols 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: video release around six pm Central on Friday afternoon evening 11 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: across the country. I know there were some small scattered 12 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: flare ups, but by and large everything remained for the 13 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: most part peaceful, and that is a very good thing, 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 1: because the fear was that once more the summer of 15 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: twenty twenty rioting would unspool across the nation. Now, Buck, 16 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 1: what I would argue here is that's because ultimately, Black 17 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: Lives Matter only gets angry when black lives are impacted 18 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: and white people are involved in those lives being taken, 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: and therefore it's really not black lives matter, it's black 20 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: lives matter. And the parenthetical when white people are involved 21 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: in black death. Because when the video came out, this video, 22 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: to me was far worse and the videos, I should say, 23 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: of these five police officers in Memphis, what they did 24 00:01:54,920 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 1: to Tyree Nichols was far worse to me than what 25 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: happened to George Floyd on video. And if you consider that, 26 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: while you might be upset about George Floyd's interaction with 27 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: the police and the way it went and believe it 28 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: was criminal, as it has been proven to be, there 29 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: was a reason police were called because George Floyd was 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: trying to pass a counterfeit bill and he was also 31 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: on drugs, so police work specifically requested in this situation 32 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: with Tyree Nichols. There does not seem to have been 33 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: buck any reason for the initial police stop to have 34 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: taken place, and all of the violence that ensued since, 35 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: to me, is far worse than what we saw happened 36 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: to George Floyd. Yet, and I would submit this is 37 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: the reason. Because it was five black police officers, there 38 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: was virtually no riot. The media has tried to argue 39 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: and will play see an MSNBC the like I've tried 40 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: to argue, Oh, this is still an example of white supremacy, 41 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: but most people just simply don't believe it. And so 42 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: it's a positive sign that there was no rioting, pillaging, looting, 43 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: so to speak. Buck. But also this just further epitomizes 44 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: because the video was as bad or worse than I 45 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: anticipated it was going to be that really they can 46 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: only mobilize when there are white people that are involved 47 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: in misbehavior or potential criminal allegations. I think we should 48 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: have the discussion about police and policing now that they 49 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: always say, now is the time for reform or now 50 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: is the time to do something about law enforcement. Let's 51 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: look at the reality of law enforcement in Memphis right now, 52 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: let's understand what's actually going on. As we said last Friday, 53 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: before the video was out, before we had seen it, 54 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: because the show ended prior to the release, they wanted 55 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: to get rid of this scorpion. You that was the 56 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: initial call. So they're focusing in on an anti violent 57 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: crime unit in the Memphis PD. What's the reality of 58 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: the Memphis Police Department in recent years. It has a 59 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: very hard time getting people to sign up to want 60 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: to be cops in Memphis. Yeah, so hard that in fact, 61 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: the Memphis Police Department in a less brutality, more diversity initiative, 62 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: by the way, decided that they were going to change 63 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: standards dramatically for who could be a police officer in Memphis. 64 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: They even were willing to give felony waivers. That has 65 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: been confirmed. New York posts have this up felony waivers 66 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: four cops. Oh you're committed of a felony. Well, we 67 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: really need cops in Memphis right now because nobody wants 68 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: to sign up for this. I mean they were. They 69 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: were giving fifteen thousand dollars bonus up from They waived 70 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: that you had to have even an associate's degree if 71 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: you just had a few years of work experience. They're 72 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: desperate for cops. Why are they desperate for cops in 73 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: a city like Memphis. Let's take a moment, shall we. 74 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: If you're a law enforcement officer in the last few 75 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: years in this country in a high crime area where 76 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: a lot of the crime is disproportionately committed by minorities. 77 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: If you're in that community, do you feel like you're 78 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: going to be backed up when things get rough as 79 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: a law enforcement officer, No, you don't. So very few 80 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: people will go up to sign up. The kind of 81 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: people that you want to sign up aren't doing it, 82 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: and so what you have is a lowering of standards. 83 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 1: And then a tragic incident like this occurs and they say, 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: you know what we should do. Let's ban more police units. 85 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: Let's blame the cops even more, instead of looking at 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: these cops did something bad. What's going on structurally within 87 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: the police department overall? I mean to talk about a 88 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: difference in training. Okay, here's one thing I very noticeable, Clay. 89 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people pointed this out. I think they 90 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: said there were seventy one commands given over the course 91 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: of the video. I wrote in twenty seventeen about an 92 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: incident in Mesa, Arizona, with a man named Daniel Shaver. Daniel. 93 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: This was all on video, and I remember I was 94 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: very upset by this case because a white cop with 95 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: a rifle, in my opinion, executed a guy in obvious 96 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: video is up for people who have not seen it, 97 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 1: it's very difficult to watch. I mean, this guy is 98 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: in the white the victim here was white. The cop 99 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: was was charged with murder. A jury inexplicably in my mind, 100 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: got the cop off. But because the whole thing hinged 101 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:41,039 Speaker 1: on whether or not Daniel Shaver was complying. Well, he 102 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: first of all, he did absolutely nothing wrong that he 103 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: they he had a BB gun in his in his 104 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 1: hotel room, which he was legally allowed to have. Someone 105 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: called the cops. They ran into the cops came into 106 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: the hallway. The guy who shot him had etched into 107 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: his ar fifteen. You know, like you know you're dead 108 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: or you're gonna die. I mean, the guy's not some 109 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: do you want to be a police officer? Obviously, and 110 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: he starts barking commands like you know, put your put 111 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: your hands behind your head, put your put your feet together, 112 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: crawled toward me, keep your head. I mean, if you 113 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't have a gun pointed at you, you wouldn't be 114 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: hard to follow. You wouldn't be able to follow. What 115 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: are you talking about the guys? Yeah, But then it's oh, 116 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: he's not obeying commands and he he just just just 117 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: shoots the guy. I mean it's an execution. It's on video, 118 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: but he's white and the victim's white. To clay was 119 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 1: there national outrage about it? I wrote about it at 120 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: the Hill dot Com at the time. The story went 121 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: viral but was there a big conversation about it seeing it. No, No, 122 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: because there wasn't a racial angle. Well, guess what looking 123 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: at commands that police officers gave and the training they're 124 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: in might actually be a really useful thing, might have 125 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: actually prevented some tragic incidents later on, but didn't get 126 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: the attention it needed. So if you want to talk 127 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: about training right now, Yeah, what are the protocols? I 128 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: mean when when they're telling Tyree Nichols, for example, comply 129 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: and he is, he's trying to comply. Cops need to 130 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: know the second that someone is complying and you're shouting 131 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: complying and hitting him, you are engaging in police brutality. 132 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: But you know that. I have never even heard the 133 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: comply discussion at the national level about meaning how cops 134 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: should be trained to escalate through that process and not 135 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: say you're not doing what I want, so now I'm 136 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: going to beat you or even shoot you. But instead 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: it's always get rid of the unit. It's racism. The 138 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: usual thing I would love to hear from cops out 139 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: there who listened to us, and we have a ton 140 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: of those listeners who have watched this video and what 141 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: they thought about what they saw eight hundred two A 142 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 1: two two eight A two buck. Over half of the 143 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: Memphis police force is black. All five of these officers 144 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: that were charged with murder are black. Yet there has 145 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: been a desperate attempt to try to tie this to 146 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: white supremacy, which just hasn't worked. And I mean it's 147 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:10,199 Speaker 1: gone across the board. I mean, we've got audio here 148 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: from a couple of these different guys that I thought 149 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: would make sense. But the thing that I would say 150 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: for all of you out there to think about is 151 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: we've lost on the left wing. They have lost the 152 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: ability to analyze individual decisions and hold individuals responsible for 153 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: the choices that they make. White, Black, Asian, Hispanic, whoever 154 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: you are. Ultimately, we are all responsible for our own 155 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: individual decisions. And Eric Adams says, who's a former police captain, 156 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: says racism was involved in the beating of Tyree Nichols 157 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: to death. Let's play cut four. Chief C. J. Davis one. 158 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: In my interview with her, she said that all the 159 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: officers being black, it takes race off the table. Do 160 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: you agree with that? No, I think that I understand 161 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: what the chief is saying, and I think she really 162 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: handled this situation in a very professional way. She moved swiftly. 163 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: She assured that those officers are removed from the department. 164 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: She took all the necessary steps. But I think race 165 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: is still on the table when a culture of policing 166 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: historically has treated those from different groups differently, even when 167 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: the individuals are from that same group, that coaches can 168 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: still exists, and we have to zero in on it, 169 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: being honest about it and making sure that we properly 170 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: trained police for the realities of the cities that they 171 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: are policing in. Okay. So Eric Adams wants to run 172 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: for president potentially in twenty twenty four, and he's arguing 173 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: that race is involved in this case. When you hear that, Baca, 174 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: what do you think his analysis his nonsense. His analysis 175 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: is what the left and the Democrats want to hear 176 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: in this moment. Look, you and I expected the video 177 00:10:56,200 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: to show police brutality, and it did. It was police brutality. 178 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: No one isn't quarter of this, No one supports this. 179 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: It should be condemned, it should be prosecuted. It makes 180 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: cops jobs harder. But cops, there's hundreds, I think there's 181 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand plus sworn law enforcement officers in this country. 182 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: There are going to be a handful within that almost 183 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: a million, who are bad people who do bad things, 184 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: or who cross the line, or who in a moment 185 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,479 Speaker 1: of rage or whatever, have the failing that is unacceptable 186 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,839 Speaker 1: and needs to be criminally prosecuted. And I just think that, 187 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, when they say things like this, when they 188 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: say things like this, I just sent to Ali. I mean, 189 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: I know it's an old it's an older story, but 190 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned this. Well, we'll put it up at clainbuck 191 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: dot com a link to the video and the analysis 192 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,000 Speaker 1: I did at the time. This is twenty seventeen, now 193 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: going back six years Clay of the Daniel Shaver incident. 194 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: Every time something like this happens and it happens to 195 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: be involving a black man, does not mean that it 196 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: is racism. This also happens to non black individuals in 197 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: this country. Daniel Shaver was one of them that I 198 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: would argue, you know that the Daniel Shaver incident was 199 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: as bad as this. Actually, I you know, it's it's 200 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: both individuals died, but Daniel Shaver, I mean, there was 201 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: there was no um you know, there were it was 202 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 1: lethal force used in an in an incident where there 203 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: absolutely should not have been I'm not this is not 204 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: what about is m. It's just contextualization of this stuff happens. 205 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: And to always make it about race when there's obviously 206 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: no clear correlation, there's no clear race angle does a 207 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: disservice to the conversation we're supposed to have about how 208 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: one what does justice look like for his family? And 209 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: two what can we do now? Seventy five percent of 210 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 1: people who are shot by police are white, Asian or Hispanic. 211 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: Seventy You never hear about any of those incidents. By 212 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: the way, most people who are shot by police are 213 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: violent felons who are engaged in violent behavior. But sometimes 214 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: police fail. You know that they've buried it. But there 215 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: was a study done by a Harvard economist a few 216 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 1: years back about who is more likely in when they 217 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: control for the kind of incident you're talking about, is 218 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: it more likely that cops will shoot a white individual 219 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: or a black individual in a police involved incident with 220 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: similar circumstances, And the economists found that it was clear 221 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: that the cops are actually more likely to shoot a 222 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: white individual. And the thesis was because they know if 223 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: they shoot an individual who's black and the circumstances are 224 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: murky at all, or it's a close call at all, 225 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: their life is ruined. They may go to prison the 226 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: rest of their lives. That's right, it's a great study. 227 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: I read that study as well. We'll talk take your calls, 228 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: continue to discuss Clay and Buck here eight d two 229 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: two two eight eight two. We gotta tell you, look, 230 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: how many of you are really that comfortable that you're 231 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: always going to be able to go to the grocery 232 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: store and buy what you need. 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We have been told a lot of things 258 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: about the war in Ukraine the last year or so, 259 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: and there has been obviously a celebrity component of all 260 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: of this. You had famous Hollywood actors Ben Stiller and 261 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Sean Penn, among others, go over to visit with Zelenski. 262 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: He has spoken via did did he speak? It? Was 263 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: it the oscars or the what was the didn't he speak? 264 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: It's that's happening soon, right. I think he was at 265 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: the Emmys they just had them. Yeah. Yeah. So whenever 266 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: you're having when big important international people, you know, international 267 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: event happens, dabos, whatever you got, you gotta pipe in 268 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: Zelenski via Skype wearing the T shirt. The whole thing 269 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: he spoke to. He spoke to our Congress, you remember, 270 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: and in the obviously recently the Biden administration invited him, 271 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: and this has become we're supposed to believe a cause 272 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: of righteousness. That also is something that we should be 273 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: very invested, literally quite invested in. As we are paying 274 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: the bills here, you are paying the bills to the 275 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: tune of one hundred billion dollars for this year. Right now, 276 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: we're having a conversation in this country about thirty one 277 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: trillion dollars of debt. National debt is quite high. I 278 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: think by anyone standard, thirty one trillion dollars a lot 279 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: of money. We're sending one hundred billion dollars to Ukraine. 280 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: We're told that this is a good investment. This is 281 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: something that we both are morally obligated to do, and 282 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: strategically benefit from that is the consensus position of the 283 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: foreign policy elites, whatever you think of them, the Biden administration, 284 00:17:12,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans too, there are a lot of 285 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: Republicans are on board for this. I'm just going to 286 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: point out that right now there are some people who 287 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: are whispering and increasingly I think going to start shouting 288 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: that Russia is planning a massive offensive with new conscripts. 289 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: This is a war unlike any of the US has 290 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: fought in recent decades. This is this is you tanks 291 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: against tanks. This is dug in fighting positions, advanced militaries 292 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: slugging it out, and the Russian escalation clay is already 293 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: leading to Zelenski demanding faster provision. It's not even enough 294 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: to just get him all the munitions and pay all 295 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: the bills. We have to get him faster stuff. We're 296 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: sending Abrams tanks as we know, the Germans are sending 297 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: Leopard tanks. Now there's conversation ongoing about an even more 298 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: advanced weapons missile system that we could send to Ukraine 299 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: to extend their range of being able to hit the Russians. 300 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: We're back to the when are we going to start 301 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: providing planes. And here's the problem. A lot of military analysts, 302 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: I think Clay, are starting to see that there is 303 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: there doesn't There is no reality of Ukraine defeating Russia 304 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: in any short period of time. That doesn't seem possible 305 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: or plausible at all. So are we just going to 306 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: commit to sending never mind the possibility of escalation and 307 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: what could happen if that. It feels like we're not 308 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: even supposed to talk about that. But one hundred billion 309 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: dollars a year? Should the American people pay one hundred 310 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 1: billion dollars a year for Ukraine to fight Russia for 311 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: the next five years? Is that a good usage of 312 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: American treasure? I would argue no, particularly because, as you mentioned, 313 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: we're now over thirty one trillion dollars in debt, and 314 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: the debt interest alone is continuing to eat up a 315 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: higher and higher percentage of that which we are going 316 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: to be obligated to pay. But also with the now 317 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 1: adding tanks, the next step will be, well, should we 318 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: bring in some old aircraft? It seems to me like 319 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: we are continuing to tiptoe into an escalating conflict, and 320 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, the idea last year at this time, I 321 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: bet Buck if you had floated the idea, hey, we 322 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: need to send as many tanks as we can to Ukraine, 323 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: I think most people would set out that's a little 324 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: bit too much. And now we're sending tanks and there 325 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: doesn't even hardly seem to be a debate at all 326 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: about whether that's appropriate or whether it further embeds US 327 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 1: in this battle. And I would just point out that 328 00:19:53,359 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: American responses, very often to foreign interests are based on 329 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: the idea of, hey, they sent the weapons that they 330 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 1: are using to kill us. Right. One of the reasons 331 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: we took out Solomoni was because he was involved in 332 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: helping to provide the material to allow the wounding, maiming 333 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: and killing of American troops. So you are thinking about 334 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: this from the Russian perspective, would you be like, oh, 335 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: those aren't Americans in the tanks, Those are just American tanks. 336 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: Would that distinction really start to matter to you? Or 337 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: if you're Russia, are you like, Oh, America's now in 338 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: this war against us, and that next step of adding 339 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: planes At some point the materials are substantial enough that 340 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: you have to almost consider yourself to be an enemy combatant. 341 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: And we should probably think about that before we find 342 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,359 Speaker 1: out the hard way what that red locks. Maybe debate 343 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: about the tanks buck. Have you seen anybody say, hey, 344 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's an escalation. I don't know 345 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: that we need to take that step. And the fact 346 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: that we've gone from we're just going to provide certain 347 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: things and there'll be limitations on it too. Now we're 348 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: sending Abrams tanks, and we might be sending even more 349 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: advanced self propelled our artillery and missile systems. At what 350 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: point are we just gonna say, you know what, We're 351 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: gonna give them planes, would give them everything so that 352 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: they can defeat Russia. The interest here in defeating Russia 353 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: and Ukraine? Is it open checkbook time? Is it endless? 354 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: Is there any Is there any point at which the 355 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: people that think that we should be provided Look, Pompeio 356 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,400 Speaker 1: was on the show last week and he said, give 357 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: them anything they want, anything they need to defeat Russia. 358 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: That seems kind of extreme to be Is this really 359 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: that important to the United States? And also how does 360 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,959 Speaker 1: this all look. Let's say we do go into and 361 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: I get all the emails people say we're already in 362 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: a recession. We weren't in enough of a recession to 363 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: get the Democrats crushed in the midterms, folks. So you know, 364 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: if we're in a recession, it hasn't really hasn't really 365 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: been and all that hard quite yet. But let's say 366 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 1: we go into a depression or a major recession. Are 367 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: we gonna want to fund one hundred billion dollars a 368 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: year for the war in Ukraine? Is that something that 369 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: people are going to want to continue to do. I 370 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: have to say, you know, there's not really much communication 371 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: about this. And the people that say we have an 372 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: interest it's an investment in our future, I keep hearing 373 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: that an investment in our security. I don't think whoever 374 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: controls eastern Ukraine matters to me in my life. And 375 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit concerned here that we just went 376 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 1: through a couple of wars, Clay, where you weren't allowed 377 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,920 Speaker 1: to ever really be the one standing up and saying, hey, 378 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: what are we really trying to accomplish here now? Like? 379 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: What is the actual goal? Because anybody who knew anything 380 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: about Afghanistan knew that it was going to end more 381 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: or less the way it ended, minus the way the 382 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 1: Biden administration did it, but that it was heading in 383 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: that direction. That's been the case for fifteen years. Not 384 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: only that, Buck, what about the expense involved if China 385 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,640 Speaker 1: does decide to invade Taiwan. Because I'm sure you saw 386 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: the American general over the weekend that's got a lot 387 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: of attention. He had sent a memo basically to all 388 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: of his troops saying, I think that China's going to 389 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: invade Taiwan in twenty twenty five. Now, whether or not 390 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: that ends up being true, we know that we would then, 391 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: I think more so than with Russia, because I think 392 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: China is a bigger threat to US than Russia is. 393 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: But are we going to spend hundreds of billions of 394 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: dollars also simultaneously defending Taiwan from Chinese aggression? Are we 395 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: going to end up in a situation? And I can 396 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: understand the argument of well, what's going on in Ukraine 397 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:49,120 Speaker 1: shows that we will stand in defense of Taiwan, But 398 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: can we afford to do both? I don't hear anybody 399 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: who hardly asking that question. But if we're spending one 400 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars plus, and it's a never ending checkbook 401 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: of essentially a ground ward that is that is building 402 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: its own Magino line. It almost feels like right where 403 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: you're just embedded there and neither side can move that much. 404 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: Are we going to invest tens of billions of dollars 405 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: on an annuity basis for Ukraine while simultaneously potentially having 406 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: to do the same thing in Taiwan? And can we 407 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: afford to do both given to where our budget situations 408 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: are right now? I think it was a real honest 409 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: adult questions that are should be asked, that are being 410 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: asked by very many people. I think there's very little 411 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: discussion about what the Biden administration is seeking to achieve, 412 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: because anyone who's paying attention to Ukraine right now would say, 413 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't look like we will be able to support 414 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: a Ukrainian breakthrough and expulsion of Russian forces in the 415 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: next year and perhaps for years. Yes, so this this 416 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: thing of oh, if we just keep giving them stuff, 417 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: they'll do the fighting. Okay, five years, how long do 418 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: we Because the Russian the Russian Federation, as much as 419 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: were led to believe we're going to cripple them with 420 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: our sanctions, it was all lies, crap, nonsense. The Russian 421 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: Federation is huge, has a lot of people, and is 422 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: not going to stop. So I don't know. I feel 423 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,679 Speaker 1: like maybe maybe the Biden administration, the people that are 424 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: involved in this calling the shots, they're not very smart 425 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: on anything else. Why would I assume they're smart on this. 426 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: I always approaching from that perspective. 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Here to second and 464 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: we certainly will the northern border, though we usually think 465 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: of the southern border. Do you see this, Clay, The 466 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: northern border has had a seven hundred plus percent spike 467 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: in migrants trying to cross. So between October one and 468 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 1: December thirty first of last year, the border patrol covering 469 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: Vermont in New Hampshire. You don't often think of that 470 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,640 Speaker 1: as a border patrol sector, but it is one. They 471 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: have even seen a seven x surge. Now, the numbers 472 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: are far smaller than what you're dealing with at the 473 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 1: US Mexico border. Obviously you're looking more more along the 474 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: lines of the hundreds instead of the thousands or hundreds 475 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: of thousands that have been crossing. But it's interesting just 476 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 1: to see that it's now from from both sides you 477 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,719 Speaker 1: have an illegal immigration relative surge. It's enormous that our 478 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: southern border by any standard, but as a as a percentage, 479 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: a dramatic increase because people realize that the bid administration 480 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: is not going to do anything about about any of this. Yeah, 481 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: there's a there's a story buck to speak of this. 482 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: Do you know how many Russians have come across our 483 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: southern border? A bunch thirty five thousand Russians have traveled 484 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to the southern border, because I know this because there 485 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: was a story and it's interesting you mentioned the northern border. 486 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: There was a story in the New York Times Sunday 487 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: edition about two Russians who came in through Alaska. They 488 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: went to one of the small island outposts of the 489 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: United States. They fled from Russia and haven't claimed asylum. 490 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: But the story was about the number of Russians who 491 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: have entered into the country and claimed asylum because of 492 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: the war that's going on, and the New York Times 493 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: number I believe thirty five thousand coming across the southern border, 494 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: which was a staggering number to me. I know, we've 495 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: talked about how many different countries people are coming to 496 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: Mexico and just deciding to walk across the southern border 497 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: and claim asylum. Thirty five thousand Russians was a jaw 498 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: dropping number to me. And they just fly to Mexico 499 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: basically and then walk right across the border. Since we're 500 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: talking jaw dropping numbers, five million immigrants illegal immigrants have 501 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: entered the United States since January of twenty twenty one, 502 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 1: when Joe Biden took over five million, five million in 503 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: two years. Okay, so as we're looking at the data. 504 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: Now we're looking at the numbers, how much more open 505 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: could the border be? And you'll notice the Biden administration 506 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: doesn't feel any urgency on this issue. Isn't going to 507 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: do anything other than every time they say they're going 508 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: to surge resources, particularly at our southern border, every time 509 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: they claim that they're paying attention to it, it's just 510 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: to add processing so that people can be more easily 511 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,880 Speaker 1: and readily let into the United States. Think about it 512 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,719 Speaker 1: this way, everyone, they're all saying, clay that they're asylum seekers. 513 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,479 Speaker 1: This is how they gain This is the giant gaping 514 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: hole in our system that has been exploited, and it's 515 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: really it's really immoral. I mean, I will say that 516 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: this this idea that you can lie about being persecuted 517 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: from your home country so you can skip to the 518 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: front of the immigration line. There are people for whom 519 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: getting asylum is a life and death issue. These are 520 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: not individuals. Ninety nine percent of them more than that 521 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: are not actually asylum seekers. And the data bears all 522 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: this out. The actual numbers about who's going to get asylum. 523 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe one in ten will get some 524 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: form of status given to them, and that's probably high. 525 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,239 Speaker 1: But Clay, you have to wonder, at what point does 526 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: the Bide administration recognize that this is this is unsustainable. 527 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: If we're going to pretend to even have a border, 528 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 1: why even go through the motions? Buck And I'm glad 529 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: you brought up that five million number because I was 530 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day. You'd think about numbers 531 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: and sometimes you don't contextualize them, and I know I 532 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: do this sometimes too. Let me give you a context 533 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: for what five million means in a way that I 534 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: think a lot of people out there could understand. Basically, 535 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: since Joe Biden became president, the entire state of South 536 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: Carolina we have added in population. So if you have 537 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: ever been to the state of South Carolina, about five 538 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: point two million people every single person in South Carolina 539 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: right now is how many people walked across the border Alabama. 540 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: Five million people more people have come into this country 541 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: illegally under Joe Biden, then live in Louisiana, Kentucky, Oregon, Oklahoma, Connecticut, Utah, Iowa, 542 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: a lot more, Nevada, Arkansas, Mississippi. I mean, think about 543 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: when you talk about five million people, you're talking about 544 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: the entire state of Alabama or South Carolina and populations 545 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: that are more substantial than over basically half of the 546 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: populations in the United States right now. That's crazy to 547 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: think about. This is all on the premise because what 548 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: the activists and you know, the left wing will say 549 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: is are allowed to be here. They're they're seeking legal 550 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 1: status through the asylum system. How long does anyone think 551 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: it would take to process millions of asylum claims in 552 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: any sort of real way, meaning you're gonna figure out 553 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: who this person is, have them prove their story, you know, 554 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: give them their day in court over asylum. The way 555 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 1: the increasingly I think the way the Biden administration is 556 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: going to push for amnesty is a backdoor amnesty where 557 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: they're just going to try to make it so that 558 00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: they what's going on the border is the credible fear 559 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: test that border patrol and immigration, the Customs Enforcement do 560 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: where you have to say very very minimal things to 561 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: be oh, I'm now seeking defensive asylum in the US. 562 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: They've decided that they're not going to detain people, which 563 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: is against the law, by the way, but they don't care, 564 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: and they let them into the country. Clay if they 565 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: make it super easy to effectively get a rubber stamp 566 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: asylum claim done, that's a that's a test, that's a 567 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: switch that they could have just from the system without 568 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: necessarily getting any change in legislation. I think that's something 569 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: they're hoping to accomplish because the Republicans in the House, 570 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't believe will go along with a mass amnesty 571 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: through legislation. So there they've exploited the holes in the 572 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: system to let them in, to let them all stay indefinitely. 573 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:27,720 Speaker 1: I think they're going to do the same thing. Obama 574 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: administration essentially did a version of this, but they weren't 575 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: doing it through the immigration courts. They were doing it 576 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: by just they were going to hand out IDs and 577 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: work visas to everybody who was coming in who was 578 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: the family member of a DACA recipient. I think it 579 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: was it was it was DACA and DAPPA deferred action 580 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 1: for childhood arrivals deferred action for the parents of arrivals. 581 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: It was gonna be like seven million people something like 582 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: that that they were going to give up. So this 583 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: is what we're heading forward. Five million people. How could 584 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: you even process that if you wanted to, I just 585 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: think again to contextual over half of American states have 586 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 1: a population that is smaller than that number basically, So 587 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 1: if you think about it from an Alabama or South 588 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: Carolina perspective, and remember it's going to grow, it'll move 589 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,319 Speaker 1: into during this Biden administration next two years, it will 590 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: move into you know, probably a top ten, top twelve, 591 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,279 Speaker 1: top fourteen state population where wherever you're listening to us 592 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: right now, during Joe Biden's tenure, your state population, there's 593 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,399 Speaker 1: a good chance around twenty five states have five million people, 594 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040 Speaker 1: five point two million people or fewer. That contextualizes it. 595 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: And you know, a state like Wyoming buck has six 596 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people, so you basically have had ten Wyomings 597 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: enter since Joe Biden became president. And if you're wondering, 598 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: you know the remember the old the old storyline we 599 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: used to hear about illegal immigrants was always they do 600 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: the jobs Americans won't do they contribute to the economy, 601 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,279 Speaker 1: They're gonna save social Security? These are all these are 602 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 1: all the old Democrat talking foods. Meanwhile, you speak to 603 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: Eric Adams or any large city mayor right now with 604 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: the influx of migrants they have, and what do they 605 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: all say. We can't afford this. We can't afford to 606 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: pay for the housing, the food, and effectively the room 607 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: and board of these different of these these migrant groups. 608 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 1: And so that's why we mentioned this in the last hour. 609 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: In Hell's Kitchen, New York City. Uh, they have a 610 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: hotel where there are migrants who have been housed and 611 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,919 Speaker 1: they are refusing. This is on West fifty seventh Street, 612 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: the Watson Hotel. The migrants were told Clay they should 613 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 1: move to the Brooklyn Cruise Ship Terminal where they've set 614 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: up a facility for migrants, and they're protesting outside the 615 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: hotel where they're staying at tax payer expense, saying, now 616 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: we like the four star hotel. I think we're gonna 617 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,440 Speaker 1: stay here. We don't want to go to the other place. 618 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200 Speaker 1: That's I'm just that this is the mentality everybody. This 619 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: is what's going on, and you are paying for it. 620 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:04,080 Speaker 1: If you wonder why people are coming. Imagine that you 621 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: are living incredibly poor in Latin America and one of 622 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,439 Speaker 1: your friends or family members texts you and says, hey, 623 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: I'm in New York City now, right off Times Square 624 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: in a four star hotel. I got cable, I got 625 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: you know, heating air, great bathroom. This is how rich 626 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: the United States is. They're just putting us up in 627 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: hotels that are probably nicer than almost any hotels that 628 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: exist in many of the countries where these guys are 629 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: coming from. Do you think that's gonna persuade you that 630 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: you shouldn't come, or you're gonna be like, this is amazing. 631 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,000 Speaker 1: And remember they also probably got a free bus ride 632 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: to New York City from Texas to right on top 633 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: of everything else, you came across illegally and you say, okay, 634 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,960 Speaker 1: where would you like to go? And you're like New 635 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: York City and you get popped on a bus. Next 636 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 1: thing you know, you're a New York City staying in 637 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 1: a four star hotel. Again. I just questioned how many 638 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: people in our in our listening audience have ever gotten 639 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: to stay in a four star hotel in Manhattan, much 640 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: less our taxpayers paying for it. It's crazy. I'm an 641 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: American citizen, and if I showed up to a four 642 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,439 Speaker 1: star hotel, and I've been paying taxes for a long time, 643 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: haven't gotten very much for it. If I showed up 644 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: at a four star hotel and said I'm going to 645 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: stay here for free and have people bring me food 646 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,719 Speaker 1: for free and I get to do whatever I want 647 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,040 Speaker 1: and this is now my home, I assume hotel management 648 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 1: would call the police and I would be arrested right 649 00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: like that. That would just be my assumption. Now, I 650 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: know they've been told by the government authorities that they 651 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,279 Speaker 1: can stay here, but now they're being told you gotta go, 652 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,279 Speaker 1: and they're saying, no, no, We're gonna actually try to 653 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: just stay here at taxpayer expense. It's hundreds of millions 654 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: of dollars. Everybody, can I also just put that out there, 655 00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,200 Speaker 1: This is not a small amount of money that the 656 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,400 Speaker 1: City of New York is spending to houses migrants. And 657 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 1: this is why it was only that one time. But 658 00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:03,480 Speaker 1: when the migrants were dropped off in Martha's Ard, Martha's vineyard, Yeah, 659 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry Nantucket. Oh my gosh, the vineyard 660 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: people are like, how dare you it was Nantucket, wasn't it. 661 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: I think it was Martha's vineyard first time. Yeah, yes, Okay, 662 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 1: So when they were dropped off on one of those 663 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 1: fancy islands, um it was. It showed you what's really 664 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,960 Speaker 1: going on. It showed you fifty people is all it took. Um. Yeah, 665 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: that's that's all it took. It's it's amazing that this 666 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: is what ended up happening. So I I just I 667 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: can't get over buck. I mean again, for anybody out 668 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: there who's who's listening to us, four star hotel in 669 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: the heart of Manhattan, Your taxpayer dollars are going to 670 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: put illegal immigrants in four star hotels in the heart 671 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: of Manhattan. And I just what percentage of you listening 672 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,600 Speaker 1: to us right now could afford to go on a 673 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 1: vacation right now and stay in a four star hotel 674 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: in the heart of Manhattan. I bet not a huge percentage, right, 675 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: Take your whole family travel there. You'd have to pay 676 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: for all of it. Illegal immigrants are doing it on 677 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: your taxpayer dollars. I just want what's the and what 678 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: is the expect These These are people who are really 679 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: not supposed to be in the country. At all? Yes, 680 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: And can they live in this? Can they live in 681 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: a taxpayer expense for two years? For five years? You know, 682 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: how long did they get they put up in this 683 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,360 Speaker 1: hotel for how long are taxpayers on the hook for this? 684 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: The Democrats are doing that, they're protesting because they don't 685 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: want it to add But think about what the incentive 686 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: structure you are sending for people in poor countries who 687 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,280 Speaker 1: here that this is what happens when you come to America. 688 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you travel if you had an awful existence in 689 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 1: a Latin American country and you heard you could stay 690 00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: in a four star hotel in New York City. I mean, 691 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,040 Speaker 1: the incentive structures completely broken. If I were a New 692 00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: Yorker who had been evicted from my house or you know, 693 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: my home in the last six months, I would be 694 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: really really angry because you know, you didn't pay the bank, 695 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,800 Speaker 1: so you have to go. But other people are getting 696 00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: free housing at taxpayer for what on what basis they're 697 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,319 Speaker 1: not even supposed to be in the country. Yeah, that's 698 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: a great question. 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Welcome 725 00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 1: in our number three Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show Monday edition. 726 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: Hope all of you had fantastic weekends. Big week. Buck 727 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:08,759 Speaker 1: Sexton is going to get married on Saturday. It's kind 728 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: of a big deal. And congratulations to Buck in advance. 729 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: You will be as a result on your honeymoon during 730 00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: the super Bowl, which will be played between the Eagles 731 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,719 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs. Congratulations to people out there who are 732 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: Eagles fans and Chiefs fans. I just want to say, Clay, 733 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: even if I have to, like the smart guy from 734 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: Killigan's Island, find some wire and coconuts on the island. 735 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: I'll be in in the Pacific. I'll watch that super Bowl. 736 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: So you think they will show the Super Bowl where 737 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: you are going to be, Like, do you think let's 738 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: presume that I don't even know what the time zone 739 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,680 Speaker 1: difference is. But let's presume you were a die hard 740 00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: sports fan. Do you think you'd be You're gonna be 741 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,479 Speaker 1: in boor Bow. I don't how big it's boor Board 742 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: that I just like, there's like a hundred people there, 743 00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: and I gave I have no idea how big this 744 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 1: island that you're gonna be on is. I mean, I 745 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: was just gonna leave it South Pacific because that's a 746 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: large area Clay. But anyway, I think that there has 747 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: to be thousands and thousands of people on holiday, on 748 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,440 Speaker 1: vacation whatever out there. Do you think you could find it? 749 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: Do you think it airs on that island in the 750 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: South Pacific? Yeah? I would, I would think so. I 751 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 1: would think so. Look, I'm still reeling from the knowledge 752 00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: that my beloved Cincinnati Bengals failed to pull it out 753 00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: last night. Now that you just told me this, it's 754 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,840 Speaker 1: very sad for me. Lots of officiating controversies built into this. 755 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,920 Speaker 1: But that ties in very well with the audio that 756 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: I want to play you. All Right, So Cincinnati has 757 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: a young mayor and I don't even know exactly. Let 758 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: me see if I can get his name right. Um, 759 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,680 Speaker 1: he's only been in office for a fourth period of 760 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: time and he's his name is Aftab Puraval. I might 761 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 1: have gotten that wrong. I believe he's of South Asian descent. 762 00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,480 Speaker 1: Aftab Purival relatively young guy, around forty years old, is 763 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: only recently elected as mayor. Okay, Buck, he is under 764 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: a tremendous amount of fire right now because he delivered. 765 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's not uncommon for politicians. For instance, I 766 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,600 Speaker 1: saw our friends JD. Vance and Josh Holly senator from Ohio, 767 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 1: Senator from Missouri. I think also Roger Marshall, Senator from Kansas, 768 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: got involved Kansas City Chiefs versus Cincinnati Bengals. I think 769 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,480 Speaker 1: they bet barbecue or something along those lines. Not uncommon 770 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: for politicians to make wagers with mayors, governors, anything else 771 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 1: like that. I have never heard this level of trash talk. 772 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: This was an official statement put out by Cincinnati's mayor 773 00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: before the game. Buck, you haven't heard this at all. 774 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,040 Speaker 1: I don't know how many of you heard this, but 775 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: he is under immense fire because the Bengals go on 776 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,560 Speaker 1: to lose and they actually took the mayor's trash talk 777 00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: to heart. Listen to this. I have a proclamation from 778 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: the desk of the mayor be it proclaimed. Whereas the 779 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals are headed to Burrowhead Stadium for their second 780 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: consecutive AFC Championship game. Whereas last year's game, the Bengals 781 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,760 Speaker 1: scored more points than the Chiefs, resulting in a Bengals 782 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,600 Speaker 1: victory and the Chief's loss. Whereas Joseph Lee Burrow, who's 783 00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: three and l against Mahomes, has been asked by officials 784 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,400 Speaker 1: to take a paternity test. It's confirming whether or not 785 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,719 Speaker 1: he's his father. Whereas all season long, Cincinnati has been 786 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,840 Speaker 1: on a path of destiny, fighting it out to overcome 787 00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,879 Speaker 1: anyone who stands between them and a Super Bowl win. 788 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: And whereas Kansas City is named after its neighboring state, 789 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,320 Speaker 1: which is, you know, just kind of weird. Now, therefore 790 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 1: I have to have pure of all, Mayor of the 791 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,160 Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, do hereby proclaim January twenty nine, twenty 792 00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: twenty three, as they got to play us day in Cincinnati. Okay, Buck, 793 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how much of that you picked up 794 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: on for people out there who may not. He called 795 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: it Burrowhead Stadium, all right. Arrowhead Stadium is the name 796 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,719 Speaker 1: of the state him in Kansas City, and Joseph Joe 797 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: Burrow is the quarterback, so that's pretty heavy level of 798 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: a trash doc. He also said the paternity test line, 799 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: whether the Cincinnati Bengals quarterback needed to be uh, you know, 800 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: the test to see whether or not he was Patrick 801 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: Mahomes's father. Now, immediately after the game, Travis Kelsey, who 802 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 1: is a star tight end for the Kansas City Chiefs, 803 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: had a very good game, as he always did does, 804 00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,759 Speaker 1: called out the Cincinnati mayor on the stage. Listen to this, 805 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 1: John manaos, all right? He also said, and maybe we 806 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: can grab the other audio. He called out the mayor 807 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: and told him to stay in his lane and called 808 00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:53,440 Speaker 1: him a JABRONI. The crowd went crazy. This is now 809 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: we need to grab that one too. It's on my 810 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:59,239 Speaker 1: Twitter feed. If the crew can grab it. Is Cincinnati's 811 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,600 Speaker 1: mayor in political peril now over because everybody's saying that 812 00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: his trash talk helped to motivate. And I think if 813 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: you hear this Travis Kelsey audio, it clearly did like 814 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,920 Speaker 1: they all knew what he had said. He calls out 815 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:17,080 Speaker 1: the mayor specifically during the celebration. I actually think that 816 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,400 Speaker 1: the city of Cincinnati is so beingles crazy I actually 817 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,399 Speaker 1: think the mayor is in some political peril here over 818 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,279 Speaker 1: trying to trash talk and doing such a bad job 819 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,320 Speaker 1: of it. I don't know that I've ever heard a 820 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: politician trash talk like that before. I agree, I'm telling you, 821 00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: m yeah, there are people upset about this. Is that 822 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:43,319 Speaker 1: where this is? Is there a lot of controversy over 823 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,919 Speaker 1: the Let me guess the paternity line got him into 824 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: is that is that what got him into trouble. I 825 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,720 Speaker 1: don't think it's so much like the politically incorrect nature 826 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,640 Speaker 1: of anything that he said, because I again, it was 827 00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 1: just kind of trash talk. It was the fact that 828 00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: he basically, you know, it's like you poke a tiger 829 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,040 Speaker 1: right like that. They're already ironically, I guess since they're 830 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:07,800 Speaker 1: the Bengals, they're all you're going into a tough environment already. 831 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,400 Speaker 1: You never want to say, like, oh, the stadium's overrated, 832 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: the fans are overrated, the quarterbacks overrated. It's a big game, 833 00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,920 Speaker 1: like everybody wants to win. If you want to talk 834 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: a little bit of trash after you win, maybe, And 835 00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,440 Speaker 1: it was a close to hard fought game, went down 836 00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,240 Speaker 1: to basically the final play, but in the immediate aftermath, 837 00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,840 Speaker 1: and we need to I need to play the Travis 838 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,479 Speaker 1: Kelsey audio for you, which is on my Twitter feed. 839 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,960 Speaker 1: But as they are handing him the championship trophy for 840 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:40,280 Speaker 1: the AFC, he goes full WWE old school WWF wrestling 841 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,919 Speaker 1: heel promo and like that. If you checked, the mayor 842 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: was trending last night, which is never a good sign 843 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: for the mayor of the city. And I went in 844 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: just to go read dimensions and it was all Bengals 845 00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,480 Speaker 1: fans just eviscerating him. So as the blaming him for 846 00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,600 Speaker 1: the loss as well, Yeah, they're like, you idiot, why 847 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 1: did you do such a ridiculous viral trash talk proclamation? 848 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's one thing if you're like, hey, I'll 849 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:11,320 Speaker 1: bet you mean do adults really need to be told 850 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 1: that it doesn't matter what the mayor says? My argument, 851 00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,839 Speaker 1: I think the mayor's statement did motivate the chiefs more 852 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,680 Speaker 1: than they otherwise would have been. And so I do 853 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,520 Speaker 1: we have this audio now here cut twenty seven, Here's 854 00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,400 Speaker 1: what happened to the media aftermath. If I'm running against 855 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,959 Speaker 1: this mayor in Cincinnati, Buck, this is in my first advertisement. 856 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: Listen wise, worse for that Cincinnati mayor. No, your role 857 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:47,080 Speaker 1: is shut your mouth, you Jo BRONI right, Well, granted, 858 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey is not exactly an esteemed uh you know, 859 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 1: debate participant here. But I actually think that this mayor 860 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,719 Speaker 1: is going to bear some electoral blame over this. People 861 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: are furious. They want a couple of years. I don't know. 862 00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm not an expert in the CBO oral politics. He's not. 863 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:12,200 Speaker 1: It's remember if my team lost a close game and 864 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,680 Speaker 1: our idiot mayor, and we do have an idiot mayor 865 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,279 Speaker 1: here in Nashville, I would not put it past him. 866 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: If our idiot mayor did something that I thought made 867 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,680 Speaker 1: it more likely that he would that my team lost, 868 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,680 Speaker 1: I would not vote for him. I think I'm not 869 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:28,279 Speaker 1: even kidding about this. I think he's gonna have electoral significance. 870 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: For this guy in Cincinnati. I have more faith in 871 00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: the voting CTI than for them to care about the 872 00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: trash talking of the mayor. But if you're in Cincinnati 873 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,440 Speaker 1: and you agree with me or back eight hundred two 874 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,120 Speaker 1: eight two two eight eight two, we can have some 875 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,440 Speaker 1: fun with this. Um So I've never heard have you 876 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: ever heard anything like that? You are a casual fan 877 00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:51,960 Speaker 1: at best of things like this. Have you ever heard 878 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,600 Speaker 1: of mayor say anything that aggressive? No. I do remember 879 00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: back when I used to watch, uh, the NBA, that 880 00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: there were very because if you were a Knicks, a 881 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: long suffering Knicks fan, you had many close calls where 882 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 1: they got you know, the Eastern Conference Finals and loss 883 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 1: of the Pacers or something like that, and they should 884 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,840 Speaker 1: have won. They never won a championship. But I remember 885 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: that there were people who were blaming Spike Lee for 886 00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,800 Speaker 1: getting up in Reggie Miller's face totally. But now that 887 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,919 Speaker 1: I can see, because that's face to face on the court, 888 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,480 Speaker 1: because Spike Lee was always sitting in courtside, and people 889 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,600 Speaker 1: said that he antagonizing Reggie Miller. Got Reggie Miller, who 890 00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: at that point was one of the best three point 891 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,759 Speaker 1: shooters of all time, got him in the zone, and 892 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: the Knicks lost. You know, I don't think I think 893 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,239 Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent true. I think Spike Lee might 894 00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: have cost the Knicks a finals, uh you know, opportunity 895 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: in that in that series, because if I remember correctly, 896 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,000 Speaker 1: the Pacers advanced and played against the Bulls instead. Yeah, 897 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: that was a tough one. In Game seven when you're 898 00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 1: Knicks lost to the Houston Rockets back in the day. Yeah, 899 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: and I do remember, wasn't there a guy? Was it 900 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:09,759 Speaker 1: the Cubs? Now we're sorry, folks were knowledge what Steve 901 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: Bartman reached out and kept the pass being caught. Yes, wow, 902 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: you know the name of the guy, right? Oh, I 903 00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,239 Speaker 1: mean he's he's he's an iconic. But now the Cubs 904 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:19,360 Speaker 1: have won a World Series since, so I think it 905 00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:23,880 Speaker 1: lessened some of the sting of that defeat. But he 906 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: reached out in a game against the Florida Marlins. I 907 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,000 Speaker 1: think they're the Miami Marlins. Now I can barely keep up, 908 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,640 Speaker 1: but but yeah, he reached I don't remember which one 909 00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,080 Speaker 1: they were at the time, but he reached out over 910 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,440 Speaker 1: the field after a foul ball. And he basically has 911 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: gone into hiding. I mean, the reason why that guy's 912 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of famous is he's never done an interview. He 913 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 1: vanished from like basically being able to be tracked anywhere. 914 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: This isn't a pre social media era, because I think 915 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,879 Speaker 1: that was, if I remember correctly, like oh two or three, 916 00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: and I don't think he's ever spoken publicly in twenty 917 00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,640 Speaker 1: years since. That actually ended up happening because he became 918 00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,200 Speaker 1: the villain of why the Cubs lost in that postseason. 919 00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,040 Speaker 1: So they made that catch. In theory, they would have 920 00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:10,600 Speaker 1: they would have gone on and won a championship in theory. 921 00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right there. Occasionally that does happen, that 922 00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: the fan becomes sort of an iconic part of the 923 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: overall war of the of the of the team. But 924 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: the Cubs have gone on and won a championship since. 925 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,640 Speaker 1: So who's gonna miss, mister Clay Travis. Who's gonna win 926 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: this Super Bowl that my beloved Kansas City Chiefs are in. Well, first, 927 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,640 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be out in Phoenix again, uh starting 928 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,719 Speaker 1: next week, which is one of the markets we're number 929 00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,719 Speaker 1: one overall in, so weather should be good. I'm already checking. 930 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,839 Speaker 1: I think the Kansas City Chiefs are going to beat 931 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. 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