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Speaker 1: Bold reverence and occasionally random The Sunday hang with playing

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Speaker 1: fuck podcast It starts now.

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Speaker 2: Let those tunes go across the air with every everybody

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Speaker 2: knows this song. This was a eighties huge hitting eighty eight,

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Speaker 3: I think it was on the Pretty Woman's soundtrack, not

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Speaker 3: that I had that CD. I'm just saying the Pretty

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Speaker 3: Woman's sound direction. Yeah, true story. You know, I says movie,

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Speaker 3: and I don't call things offensive very often, but if

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Speaker 3: you actually watch that movie, it's a really like bizarre, depressing,

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Speaker 3: weird movie. This s guy picks up a hooker on

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Speaker 3: like Rodeo drive and pays her for the week, and

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Speaker 3: then the whole thing is very weird.

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Speaker 2: Take her to the Beverly Wilshire Hotel. That's the hotel

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Speaker 2: they put everybody who stays and for work at Fox

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Speaker 2: Sports in LA used to be. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: it still is. That place is still filled with hookers,

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Speaker 2: Like if you high end hookers, but if you go

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Speaker 2: into the Beverly Wilshire.

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Speaker 3: People just dress a little differently. In lam and Tennessee, Clay,

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Speaker 3: it's hookers.

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Speaker 2: The first time I ever went, I'd never seen anything

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Speaker 4: It was like Beverly Hillbillies.

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Speaker 2: I set down to get a beer after I'd done television,

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Speaker 2: and at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel, I noticed it's all

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Speaker 2: girls at the Beverly Wilshire Hotel bar and I'm like

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Speaker 2: that seems a little weird, and I'm like, whatever, you know,

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Speaker 2: then I like, I notice and maybe if you're incredibly

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Speaker 2: good looking, this happens to you all the time. Most

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Speaker 2: women don't stare at men, or at least they don't

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Speaker 2: stare at me. Every woman at the whole bar is

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Speaker 2: a weird vibe. And then they don't look away. Most

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Speaker 2: women would look away if you make eye contact. And

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Speaker 2: the bartender came over and I was like, are all

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Speaker 2: these these are all like these are all hookers, right,

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Speaker 2: and he was like, yeah, they just it's super high

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Speaker 2: end hookers. It's all connected to that movie, is what

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Speaker 2: I was told. That movie was so popular Pretty Woman,

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Speaker 2: that everybody wants to get their own Julia Roberts that

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's still an issue, but.

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Speaker 2: They would still they would flood the Beverly Wilshire Hotel

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Speaker 2: wasn't anticipating because I didn't know we were going to be

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Speaker 2: playing the Fine Young Cannibals. Is that really on the

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Speaker 2: soundtrack for The Pretty Woman?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Did you buy the Pretty Woman's soundtrack?

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Speaker 3: No, but I've I've looked for the song before on

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Speaker 3: different Spotify and stuff, and it will come up as

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Speaker 3: on the Pretty Women's soundtrack. I did not actually own

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Speaker 3: The Pretty Well. I did buy a do you want

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Speaker 3: to do this? You want to get It's the most.

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Speaker 2: Embarrassing album you've ever bought.

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Speaker 3: I mean I bought a cassette tape of Salt and

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Speaker 3: Peppa that was actually pretty popular. I think I probably

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Speaker 2: One of my buddies bought Tevin Campbell CD. Do you

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 2: Tevin Campbell was like, I like a you know, black,

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Speaker 3: Was a class not This is a humble brag that

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Speaker 2: Campbell was on the baby Face might have been on

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Speaker 2: know that you could go with. This is a really

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Speaker 2: good question. What was the most embarrassing album you owned

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Speaker 3: Uh, I didn't got a little savage garden phase? Do

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Speaker 3: you even remember them? I remember the name Australia. Oh,

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Speaker 3: I want to stand with you on the mountain. I

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Speaker 3: I remember that song. I yeah, I'll give you my answer.

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Speaker 3: Probably most embarrassing. I had Color Me Bad's album? Do

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Speaker 3: you remember Color Me Bad? I Adore Me More?

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Speaker 4: Sure that song.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably that's up color me bad spelled

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Speaker 2: Milli Vanilly. I had Milli Vanilly before we knew that

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Speaker 2: Millie Vanilly was.

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Speaker 4: That's a collector's item though. That's amazing. That's amazing now

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Speaker 4: that you probably get a lot of money for that

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Speaker 2: Blame it on the Rain classic. I don't know who's

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Speaker 2: saying it. Blame it on the Rain great song by

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Speaker 2: Millie Vanilly. I had the Millie Vanilly entire album back

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I also, what's the big deal? You know, people got

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Speaker 3: It's like, guess what all these people that are writing

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think I think it's kind of funny where we

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Speaker 2: Pepe was the good looking one in Salt was kind

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Speaker 2: of the bigger one, right, I don't. I don't want

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Speaker 2: One of the Salt and Peppa girls was good looking,

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Speaker 2: I think Salt was the good looking one. It's possible

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Speaker 2: that I'm getting a backwards and I'm just imagining Salt

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Speaker 2: New York. They've they've gone all in on They've gone

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Speaker 2: all in on Trump. Prior to now, they've been huge

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: There was usually like one of other guys, I was

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Speaker 3: Was another great or am I I always get I

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Speaker 2: So he was inn in sync, right, Timberlake, Yes, I

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Speaker 2: don't know who the most famous. I think all the

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Speaker 2: Backstreet boys, like none of them became famous, right, Like.

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Speaker 4: None of them. I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of them were actually ugly, like Joey

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Speaker 2: Fatone was legitimately an ugly dude who happened to be

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Speaker 3: Friday and Clay's just throwing haymakers in the last few

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Speaker 4: Here you're mentions on Twitter.

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Speaker 3: You bet Joey Fatone's probably on X He's probably gonna

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Speaker 3: have something to say to you.

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Speaker 2: Well, a tough break, by the way, to have the

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Speaker 2: that feels like just a really unfortunate combo. Maybe change

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Speaker 2: the name so that you're not the chubby guy whose

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Speaker 3: Was Dave Matthews the single most iconic band of your

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Speaker 4: Would that?

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Speaker 3: Would you say that's correct, because for me it would

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Speaker 3: be Dave Matthews band was the thing that ever everybody

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it depends on if you were

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Speaker 2: of Uh what say, Dave Matthews is South African, right,

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Speaker 2: You're a kind of person who would go to like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got he got big in Charlotte and Charlottesville

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Speaker 3: UV the UV A that scene. I just want to

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Speaker 3: know what the team is. The team was pointing out

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Speaker 3: to me that I did, in fact pronounce it correctly.

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Speaker 3: It is not salt and pepper. It is salt, pepper

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Speaker 4: Ali which one was the good looking one. Ali's not

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Speaker 2: Ali will know is either salt or pepper was the

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Speaker 2: good looking one. I don't think it was confusing.

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Speaker 5: I have no idea.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I think it would say.

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Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I have no idea which one was better looking.

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Speaker 2: But I know that Joey Fatone, Joey fat One was

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Speaker 2: the ugly one in the Sorry Joey in the Backstreet Boys.

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Speaker 4: In America? Do we have where Buck is leaving?

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Speaker 5: Now?

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Speaker 2: By the way, there's no telling how this show's gonna end.

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Speaker 2: He's got to go to the airport in Raleigh.

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Hands Clay's in a mischievous Oh no, a mischievous See

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Speaker 3: someone told us not to say it wrong.

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Speaker 4: A mischievous mood. I like mischievous better. It sounds like, wait,

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Speaker 4: is it supposed to be pronounced mischievous? Mischievous?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna stick with mischievous. I've been pronouncing it

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Speaker 2: too long, for too long, I will see.

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Speaker 4: This is the kind of mood he's in.

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Speaker 3: He's going to antagonize the grammar police and the pronunciation

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Speaker 3: police out there.

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Speaker 4: Girl, you know it's true.

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Speaker 2: This was an amazing album. Millie Vanilli Bucks left. There's

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Speaker 2: no telling where the show ends up in the last

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Speaker 2: ten minutes. Here this was buck Is on his way

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Speaker 2: back to Miami from Raleigh. We're number one. Appreciate all

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Speaker 2: of you listening in North Carolina. Even if there were

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Speaker 2: fake singers, the songs were still good. Point of correction,

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Speaker 2: got a couple of them here, Wide variety one evidently

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Speaker 2: Joey if that one was in in sync. Not Backstreet Boys.

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Speaker 2: I apologize to all the boy band officionados out there.

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Speaker 2: I actually think that burnishes my street cred. That I

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Speaker 2: got that wrong. That's one that's good to get wrong.

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Speaker 2: Unlike yesterday when I got the year that FDR died

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Speaker 2: and where he died, I got powder springs and warm

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Speaker 2: springs Georgia mixed up and I had to issue a

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Speaker 2: correction on that one. That one I wasn't impressed by. Also,

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Speaker 2: I think that there is another element here. Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: as a part of his Howard Stern story, he told

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Speaker 2: a ton of lies. Ali, you sent me a story

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Speaker 2: about Joe Biden's athletic career, and Yahoo Sports reported that

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Speaker 2: Join now by the host of Dirty Jobs with Mike Rowe.

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Speaker 2: He has done a phenomenal job, writer, narrator, producer, Emmy

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Speaker 2: that's a lot of aspects out here, Mike. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: Well, it's a little early for a victory lap, although

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Speaker 1: It's an indication of what you paid. It's a receipt, right,

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Speaker 3: high paying trade in their area.

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Speaker 4: What are the resources?

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Speaker 1: Well, you can't possibly screw up by learning how to weld.

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Speaker 1: Welding is like the gateway into the skilled trades. My

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Speaker 1: foundation has trained hundreds of welders. We've helped a couple

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Speaker 1: thousand people get the training they need to start whatever

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Speaker 1: trade they're into. So, to answer your question, microworks dot

446
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Speaker 1: org shameless plug all kinds of information on my site,

447
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Speaker 1: along with a million dollars. Right now we're giving away

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Speaker 1: next month in scholarships for trade schools. But there's so

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Speaker 1: many ways.

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Speaker 4: To go buck.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're certainly community colleges and they're obvious. Trade

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Speaker 1: schools all over the place. A lot of big companies

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Speaker 1: today have their own internal programs. You know, when we

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Speaker 1: took shop class out of high school forty years ago,

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Speaker 1: we really kind of unleash the kraken. You know that

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Speaker 1: that decision removed from view so many vocations, and so

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Speaker 1: we went through a period where a lot of millennials

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Speaker 1: didn't even get a look at what work looked like

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Speaker 1: on that side of the workforce anyway. So it's been

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Speaker 1: a long road back. But the resources are all over

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Speaker 1: the place. Companies are falling over themselves to hire. The

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Speaker 1: opportunities to get training are everywhere. I'm I can't overstate it.

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Speaker 1: It's been one of the great unreported stories in my lifetime,

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Speaker 1: the skills gap, ten million open jobs, all that opportunity

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Speaker 1: sitting around. At the same time we've been told you're

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Speaker 1: screwed if you don't get a four year degree. It's

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Speaker 1: literally the opposite.

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Speaker 2: I think that's so important, Mike, because you mentioned the

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Speaker 2: one point seven trillion dollars in student loan debt. Let's

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Speaker 2: say there's an eighteen year old who's listening to us

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Speaker 2: right now, and his options are I can take out

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Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars in debt to get an

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Speaker 2: English major. Nothing wrong with that degree, which is not

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Speaker 2: necessarily going to lead me towards being better at any

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Speaker 2: particular profession. Or I can go start being a plumber

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Speaker 2: at eighteen or nineteen years old. You're stacking tens of

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Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in assets, and you're starting off when

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Speaker 2: the college kids coming out at twenty two or twenty

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Speaker 2: three in tens of thousands of dollars in debt, you

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Speaker 2: could have tens of thousands of dollars in savings. How

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Speaker 2: much do you think people are now recognizing that? And

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Speaker 2: are people still not aware of how much money there

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Speaker 2: is out there in plumbing or elect doing electrical work

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Speaker 2: or all these other things you mentioned welding. What else

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Speaker 2: would you tell people that there is abundant opportunity in

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Speaker 2: if they'll just go grab it.

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Speaker 1: Electricians? Electricians are in super short supply. Plumbers, steam fitters,

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Speaker 1: pipe fitters, heating and air condition guys. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't even tell you. If you're not making six figures

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Speaker 1: and you're in that space, you're either just getting started

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Speaker 1: or you're unwilling to go to where the work is.

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Speaker 1: But even then, I mean, the work is pretty much everywhere.

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Speaker 1: The trap clay in your question is really the reason

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Speaker 1: that I'm not in politics. I can't. I'm sure there

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Speaker 1: are some eighteen year olds listening right now, but I

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Speaker 1: don't know who they are. I don't know what their

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Speaker 1: skills are, I don't know what their attitude is. Right,

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Speaker 1: and so much of what our elected officials do, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: what guidance counselors do is they paint with a really

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Speaker 1: broad brush, and you wind up hearing from a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who have a certain amount of influence that

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Speaker 1: this is what your kid should do, or this is

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Speaker 1: what you should do. And I think it's that tendency

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Speaker 1: to talk in platitudes and paint with a broad brush

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Speaker 1: that's brought us to the place where we are right now.

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Speaker 1: We're still a country of individuals, and your kid, your

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old kid, very likely be wired in a

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Speaker 1: profoundly different way than mine. So I'm kind of stingy

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Speaker 1: with advice in terms of telling groups of people what

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Speaker 1: to do. But you can't ignore the big trends. You

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Speaker 1: can't ignore ten million open positions right now. You can

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Speaker 1: ignore you want to hear some really horrible math. The

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Speaker 1: number that scares me more than one point seven trillion

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Speaker 1: in student loans, is five every year for every five

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Speaker 1: tradesmen who retire to replace them. Now, that's been gone

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Speaker 1: on for over a decade, and when you start to

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Speaker 1: just extrapolate that out, what you realize real fast is

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Speaker 1: this is not just a conversation about companies who are

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Speaker 1: struggling to recruit talent or kids who are struggling to

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Speaker 1: find a path to prosperity. This is a conversation about

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Speaker 1: how long Clay Travis and bucksex and want to wait

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Speaker 1: for a plumber when they need one, or an electrician.

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Speaker 1: Every single person listening to this has skin in the

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Speaker 1: game because every one of your audience members shares my

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Speaker 1: addiction to smooth roads and affordable electricity and indoor plumbing

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Speaker 1: and a long list of other stuff that we've been

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Speaker 1: taking for granted long before Dirty Jobs went on the air.

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Speaker 3: You know, my uncle is a tradesman and a locksmith,

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Speaker 3: like a skilled locksmith with the specialty stuff for you know, corporations.

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Speaker 3: And my brother in law is actually a welder. Carrie's

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Speaker 3: brothers a welder, and one thing I hear from both

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Speaker 3: of them is they just don't have the time to

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Speaker 3: do all the jobs that people want them to do,

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Speaker 3: which is not a thing you often hear from that manyfolily.

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Speaker 3: There's so many offers to do different work in different

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Speaker 3: places that they can't get to it all. So, Mike,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm experiencing that for my own, you know,

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Speaker 3: extended family, what they're seeing out there, I'm just wondering

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Speaker 3: to what degree. Also when you're you know, you're the

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Speaker 3: CEO of Mike Roworks Foundation, you're encouraging young people to

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Speaker 3: go into this, but you know, entrepreneurship, small business ownership.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's been my experience from people I know,

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Speaker 3: some of who have become very successful business owners, that

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Speaker 3: a lot of them start by working for a business

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Speaker 3: in the trades.

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Speaker 1: And this is part of the sort of the disaster scenario.

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Speaker 1: When we took shop Class out, we also impacted not

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Speaker 1: just the skilled work force, but the entrepreneurial gene. The

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Speaker 1: path to a small business so often begins with the

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Speaker 1: mastery of a trade. I mentioned welding before because you know,

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Speaker 1: I know people who are underwater welders today they make

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Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars a year. I know others who

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Speaker 1: are tig welders. You know who are making one hundred grand,

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Speaker 1: and I know some who are making less than that

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Speaker 1: and are basically punching a clock. But the most interesting

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Speaker 1: cohort are the welders who hired another welder, or more

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Speaker 1: likely hired an electrician and some HVAC guys and then

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Speaker 1: bought a couple of vans and started a mechanical contracting company.

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Speaker 1: Those guys are everywhere, and they are the engine of

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Speaker 1: our economy, and their success stories aren't told nearly enough

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Speaker 1: because they start by doing something that so many parents

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Speaker 1: have come to believe as a vocational consolation prize. I

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Speaker 1: don't want my kid to be a welder. The hell

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Speaker 1: you don't, man, I can give you example after example,

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Speaker 1: and Buck, just a quick sidebar. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you'll remember this, but I saw you ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: I think you were filling in for Beck, and you

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Speaker 1: did a story on one of my favorite stories of

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Speaker 1: all time. Nobody talks about it today, but it was

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Speaker 1: a message to Garcia. It was a story about initiative,

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Speaker 1: and it's a story about work ethic, and it's a

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Speaker 1: story about the willingness to cheerfully take hold of a

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Speaker 1: thing and lift. That's part of this conversation too. And

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Speaker 1: my foundation, you know, we award work ethic scholarships because

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Speaker 1: we're not just looking to fill an existing hole. We're

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Speaker 1: looking to find people who are willing to show up early,

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Speaker 1: stay late, take a bite of the crap sandwich, cheerfully,

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Speaker 1: volunteer for whatever task is at hand that's still for sale,

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Speaker 1: that still works, and if gen Z is the cohort

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Speaker 1: that steps up to do that with the tool belt

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Speaker 1: and a new understanding of what a good job is, God.

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Speaker 2: Bless them, Mike. Last question for you. You mentioned parents

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Speaker 2: are grandparents. How much encouragement do you see from them?

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Speaker 2: And I know there's a lot of people out there

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Speaker 2: that are worried their kids are not working hard enough,

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Speaker 2: maybe they're not making great grades in school, but they

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Speaker 2: do have that work ethic and they're trying to find

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Speaker 2: a way. I think most people have no idea that

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Speaker 2: you can make six figures doing a lot of these jobs.

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Speaker 2: Do you think parents and grandparents are making their kids

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Speaker 2: aware enough of that opportunity as well, or do you

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Speaker 2: think they've been sold the idea that only success comes

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Speaker 2: through the pathway of college. You can't do anything else.

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Speaker 1: Again, I hate to paint with a broad brush, but

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Speaker 1: the short answer is yeah, by and large, we have

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Speaker 1: an idea in our head about what a good job

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Speaker 1: looks like. And look, most parents also want something better

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Speaker 1: for their kids than whatever they had. The problem is

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Speaker 1: what is better? Right? I mean, we get to decide

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Speaker 1: how much debt is good. We get to decide if work,

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Speaker 1: for instance, is the proximate cause of our unhappiness. There's

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Speaker 1: a very popular narrative in this country right now that

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Speaker 1: says that it is. That's why you'll see support for

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders thirty two hour work week crazy. But if

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Speaker 1: you believe in your heart that the reason you're unhappy

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Speaker 1: is because you're working too much, or if you believe,

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Speaker 1: like genuinely believe in your heart that you're going to

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Speaker 1: be happy when you retire, then you've bought into an

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Speaker 1: existing narrative that is in fact persuasive. And it's persuasive

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Speaker 1: because it's mirrored constantly in sitcoms and movies and advertisements.

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Speaker 1: We are surround by this idea that work is the enemy,

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Speaker 1: and that you're a failure if you're a parent, if

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Speaker 1: you don't get your kid into a proper school. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would say to parents who believe that you might

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Speaker 1: be right. Maybe your kid is exactly wired to do

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Speaker 1: all of those things, but you might be wrong. Put

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Speaker 1: all the options on the table, have an honest conversation

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Speaker 1: about the realities of debt and the advantage of learning

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Speaker 1: a skill that's in demand. My final thought is, you

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Speaker 1: know this. I'm holding my cell phone in my hand

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Speaker 1: right now, and I'm looking at it because that is

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Speaker 1: a liberal arts education and it's free. All the information

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Speaker 1: I learned when I was in school in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: four is right there. Man. If you're curious and you

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Speaker 1: really want to learn whatever whatever floats your boat, you

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Speaker 1: can watch a lecture on it right now for free

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Speaker 1: at MIT or Brown or Yale. It's all there. Learn

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Speaker 1: a skill first, master a trade, go to work, get rich.