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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds and Donald Trump's Middle East Envoy Steve

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<v Speaker 1>Woodcoff can't name a single concession that Russia will make

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<v Speaker 1>in the quote unquote peace deal house shotging, we have

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<v Speaker 1>such a great show for you today the Lincoln Projects.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Elon's profoundly dumb email

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<v Speaker 1>to federal workers. Then we will talk to the Brennan

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<v Speaker 1>Centers Michael Waldman about how they have been countering Trump's

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<v Speaker 1>war on the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>But first the news Smiley, I have to say I

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<v Speaker 2>knew who main governor Jenet Mills was. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>much about her game, but I liked her game this week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, Maine has some really interesting politicians. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about Angus King, who was a Republican became an independent.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just a lot of super stuff here. Here's Janet Mills.

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<v Speaker 1>She's at a meal with Trump with the governors, and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump asks if she's at the event, and she says yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says, in the typical trumpy fashion, you better

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<v Speaker 1>do it because you're not going to get any federal

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<v Speaker 1>funding at all if you don't. Now, FYI, this is

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<v Speaker 1>really now how it's not supposed to work. Right, There's

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<v Speaker 1>federalism exists for a reason, right, Trump says to Mills,

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<v Speaker 1>who replied that she would follow state and federal laws.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, we want our.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawmakers to follow the law, okay, Like that is the

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<v Speaker 1>correct answer, right, Like we should want all of our

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<v Speaker 1>politicians to follow the law. If you are a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>you are doing something that is not following the law,

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<v Speaker 1>you should not be holding office. She also told the

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<v Speaker 1>President see you in court, which I think is really like.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a pretty ball or move.

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<v Speaker 1>Especially you're surrounded by other governors, you are in the

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<v Speaker 1>White House, or you're in you know, he is intimidating guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's you know, just this sort of older woman.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I would like to point out

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<v Speaker 1>it does seem to me that older women are doing

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<v Speaker 1>a lot more standing up to Trump than people like say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Jeff Bezos or you know they're right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, or Zuckerberg. These are people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, who have billions of dollars and refuse to

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<v Speaker 1>stand up to Trump. Miles also released a statement vowing

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<v Speaker 1>if the President attempts to unilaterally deprive main school children

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<v Speaker 1>of the benefit of federal funding, my administration in the

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General will take all appropriate and necessary legal option

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<v Speaker 1>to restore that funding. And by the way, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to point out, like anyone who listens to this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast knows that we've had a lot of Democratic attorneys

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<v Speaker 1>generals and that they have been working their asses off

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<v Speaker 1>to prepare the battle in court that will protect federalism hopefully,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I just want to say, like, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is happening because these Democratic attorneys general did what

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<v Speaker 1>they were supposed to be doing, prepare for Trump is

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really just super impressed that they had the war

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<v Speaker 1>withal to get on this immediately, and also good for

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<v Speaker 1>her for standing up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell yeah, ma, let's break a little news here. You

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<v Speaker 2>and I are going to be putting up three YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>videos every week that are different programming than what you

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<v Speaker 2>hear on Fast Politics, because we're putting our foot into

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<v Speaker 2>the world of YouTube and it's very good. We've done

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<v Speaker 2>some tests so far they are amazing. You're killing it.

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<v Speaker 2>But while I was studying for what we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do over the weekend. I have a tool called video iq.

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<v Speaker 2>It tells me how many views a channel gets in

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<v Speaker 2>a month. And something I noticed is Bernie Sanders and

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Murphy each have singular videos that are more popular

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<v Speaker 2>than the entire month of videos from the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats entire channels in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to say two things here about us

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<v Speaker 1>going to YouTube. One is that Jesse is actually a

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<v Speaker 1>big YouTube celebrity already for music, so I will be

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<v Speaker 1>cloud chasing him and two, I know and also embarrassing

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<v Speaker 1>him on this podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I do.

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<v Speaker 1>But the other thing is that I think it's really

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<v Speaker 1>important to realize that there are some really effective messengers.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a really good piece in The Times

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<v Speaker 1>today about Murphy. Bernie too has been doing these huge

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<v Speaker 1>town halls, and I think what's important about these two

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<v Speaker 1>men is that they prove my theory that this is

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<v Speaker 1>not actually an ideological issue, it's a messaging issue. So

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<v Speaker 1>Bernie is very lefty, Murphy is very centrist. They are

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<v Speaker 1>not the same, they do not represent the same wing

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<v Speaker 1>of the party, but they are both breaking through and

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<v Speaker 1>that's because they are very good communicators and they are

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<v Speaker 1>flooding the zone with information, and so I think that

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<v Speaker 1>would spend a lot of time, especially on cable news,

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<v Speaker 1>arguing about whether or not Medicare should cover you know,

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<v Speaker 1>or that we should do free glasses, or we should

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<v Speaker 1>do rebreakfast.

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<v Speaker 3>Or we should you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And the truth is, this is not about policy, This

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<v Speaker 1>is about persuasion. This is about connecting with voters. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I am particularly thrilled by this combination of these

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<v Speaker 1>two men because it really does show that, in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not an ideological issue. It is a communication issue.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's actually quite good. And thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>letting me.

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<v Speaker 3>Vent on that well.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of venting, protesters at Republican events were told that

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<v Speaker 2>your voice is meaningless.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shockingly.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, these Republicans are so scared, right because as much

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<v Speaker 1>as they think trumpsm is great, or maybe they don't. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they're supporting Trump because they're scared of what Trump will

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<v Speaker 1>do to them. They're supporting Musk because they're scared about

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<v Speaker 1>what Musk will do to them.

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<v Speaker 3>Do they believe this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>Certainly they believe in cutting the federal government, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure they don't believe in an unelected billionaire being the

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<v Speaker 1>one who's deciding it via email. And so they are scared,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are in a terrible situation, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to defend the indefensible, as they have done before.

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday's protests come as Trump made several policy decisions, including

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<v Speaker 1>the creation of the Elon Musk Department of Government Efficiency

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<v Speaker 1>as unofficial agencies established to executive orders operating the White

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<v Speaker 1>House Task Force. The President has signed several executive orders

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<v Speaker 1>enacting this conservative agenda. But you know, also the other thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think this is worth remembering when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to executive orders, is that.

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<v Speaker 3>They are very easy to undo.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of these will not hold up in court,

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<v Speaker 1>and many will be undone quickly. Now that said, there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a real problem in the Office of

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<v Speaker 1>Management and Budget whether or not Russ Vought will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to impound the funds because Jesse and I know from

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<v Speaker 1>our YouTube series that we did during the summer about

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five that Russ Vought is working real

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<v Speaker 1>hard to make sure that the agencies that Congress allocated

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<v Speaker 1>the funds for do not cut the money. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is what was will ultimately kick us

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<v Speaker 1>into a slow rolling constitutional crisis.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of constitutional crisises, one of the concerns was that

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court was going to uber stamp every one

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<v Speaker 2>of Trump's aggressions on the federal government. And so far

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<v Speaker 2>that's looking to actually not be the case, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a pleasant surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Supreme Court looked at Trump's ability to fire

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the federal agency that protects government whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, if you want transparency and government protecting

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<v Speaker 3>whistleblowers who come out and say when people are doing

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<v Speaker 3>corrupt things in the government, that's kind of how this goes.

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<v Speaker 3>And remember Elon Musk, the real president keeps saying that

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<v Speaker 3>he wants transparency.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about transparency. He's protecting transparency. It is not

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<v Speaker 1>about transparency. And you know it's not about transparency because

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<v Speaker 1>they are not being transparent and also because they refuse

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<v Speaker 1>to provide any transparentancy. That makes me think it's not

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<v Speaker 1>about transparency.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Now on to the bad news. Hawaii, who

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<v Speaker 2>had probably the best response to the pandemic of all

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<v Speaker 2>fifty states. Their governor, Josh Green, he said some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>dark stuff on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just remember Elon Musk is cutting NIH funding. He's

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<v Speaker 1>cutting funding that is working on cheers for cancer and

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<v Speaker 1>also infectious diseases. And basically, Josh Green is saying states

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<v Speaker 1>must prepare now for another pandemic, and man, he is

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<v Speaker 1>totally right. Also important to remember that Elon Musk made

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<v Speaker 1>all his money on scientific.

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<v Speaker 3>Discoveries green energy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here he is now making sure he's sort of closing

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<v Speaker 1>the door to others. Josh Green is worried that there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be measles or bird flu or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think he's right to be, and we all

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<v Speaker 1>should be worried about this.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is how the things start.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick wills And is the founder of the Lincoln Project

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<v Speaker 1>and the host of the Enemy's List. Welcome Back, two

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<v Speaker 1>Best Politics.

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<v Speaker 3>Rick Wilson, Molly.

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<v Speaker 4>John Fast, Happy day to you, my friend, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I am happy to be here with you. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know why we're happy. Why are we happy?

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<v Speaker 4>Because bad people are getting smitten from time to time

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<v Speaker 4>now and smited, smited insmite rated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, let's start with the beginning. Let's start with assessing

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<v Speaker 1>the president. Elon Musk.

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<v Speaker 4>He is our greatest president.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote a BCC email to the entire federal.

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<v Speaker 4>Government impressive, I have to say, honestly impressive. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's it's sheer dumbfuckery level. Levels of dumbfuckery previously unknown

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<v Speaker 4>to science were achieved.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of these things where it's like I get

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<v Speaker 1>being high on your own supply because everyone has had

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<v Speaker 1>a moment like that, including myself.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you're shocked to hear this.

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<v Speaker 1>But I still think, like there was no one who said,

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<v Speaker 1>before you send this one email to everyone in the

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<v Speaker 1>federal government, let's game out what happens.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, what are the consequences of this email?

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<v Speaker 5>Boss?

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<v Speaker 4>Like all megalomaniacs, he has reached the point where he

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<v Speaker 4>believes that nothing that he wants is wrong and that

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<v Speaker 4>no impulse could have other consequences. And the fact of

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<v Speaker 4>the matter is he's actually proving to a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>people that while Elon has a certain cunning, much like Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>it's narrow and awfully dumb in some ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a really good point, that he

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<v Speaker 1>has a very narrow field of vision. And I do

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<v Speaker 1>think what you're saying is right. And I do think also,

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<v Speaker 1>like as someone who has sort of been a fame hobbyist,

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<v Speaker 1>a person who has often thought a lot about how

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<v Speaker 1>fame affects people and wealth and power. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that I think is so interesting about him is

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<v Speaker 1>that he had quite a lot of goodwill, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>that was what created this sort of invincibility. But there

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<v Speaker 1>really is a feeling when you watch his behavior that

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<v Speaker 1>he thinks that the tides will never turn for him

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to popularity. And there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of polls this week that showed otherwise.

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<v Speaker 4>There were a lot of surveys And by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>my favorite thing of the week is Donald Trump declaring

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<v Speaker 4>he's at seventy one percent approval, and I'm like, motherfucker,

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<v Speaker 4>you're not even at seventy one percent approval in your

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<v Speaker 4>own family.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, not to hand it to Donald Trump, but seventy

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<v Speaker 1>one percent approval, we do not live in a country

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<v Speaker 1>where that is going.

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<v Speaker 4>To be Our country doesn't work that way anymore. It

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<v Speaker 4>did back in the day. But he could cure cancer

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<v Speaker 4>tomorrow and people would be like, no, right, And the

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<v Speaker 4>same thing could have applied if George Bush had cured

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<v Speaker 4>cancer or whatever. Well, you just wear a divided country

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<v Speaker 4>in that respect. I think I don't see that changing

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<v Speaker 4>in the near term.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just talk through a little bit. So we

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<v Speaker 1>got MOSK sending this mass email. We have FRINT divisions

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<v Speaker 1>including cash Battel, Welcome to the Resistance, cash Battel. Just kidding, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>saying ignore the Elon email, right, because the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a guy who's saying he's going to fire whoever

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't write back something that makes him happy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like pause or a second and just

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this. Nobody wants waste. No one is served

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<v Speaker 1>by wasting your tax dollars. That said, just writing an

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<v Speaker 1>email to the entire federal government and then reading I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who's going to read all of these emails,

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<v Speaker 1>but the idea is that someone will, and that that person, oh.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, AI is going to read all these emails. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the thing here. They're going to have AI reading them

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<v Speaker 4>and say, oh, this person must go. They have not

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<v Speaker 4>displayed sufficient fealty to Lord Alon.

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<v Speaker 1>I was actually just reading an article in the New

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<v Speaker 1>Yorker which made me think about this, Which is part

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<v Speaker 1>of what Elon is banking on, is that we all

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<v Speaker 1>think AI is further along than it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>AI can certainly do a lot of things like edit

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<v Speaker 1>little changes in voice or whatever. It can't necessarily actually

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<v Speaker 1>figure out who's doing what in the federal government, or

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<v Speaker 1>it can't do the sort of nuances that would be

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<v Speaker 1>needed in this moment.

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<v Speaker 4>It is not yet the magical box.

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<v Speaker 3>It will be soon, unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean we're racing toward that. My favorite story

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<v Speaker 4>of last week was there's a new AI that's purpose

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<v Speaker 4>is to hack other AIS.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, it's probably fun.

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<v Speaker 4>Fine, No, but you're right. I mean he is doing

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<v Speaker 4>this as part of his broader campaign to terrify the

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<v Speaker 4>federal workforce and to dishearten the federal workforce. And look,

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<v Speaker 4>it has been somewhat effective to date.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, they are terrified.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's worked.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you made smart people have a terrible time

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<v Speaker 1>and feel like shit.

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<v Speaker 3>Congratulations Yet.

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<v Speaker 1>In suject yeah, I mean, like these are people who

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<v Speaker 1>could have made more money in investment banking.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I look at it as what I call the high

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<v Speaker 4>skill skill cuts.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>I talked to somebody today who got fired from an

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<v Speaker 4>agency because she had gotten her scholarship and internship through

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<v Speaker 4>a women in science program.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, which is Dhi DEI.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't care that she's a talented and very highly

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<v Speaker 4>educated person. In her field doesn't matter. You're out. You're

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<v Speaker 4>a dei hier if you're a woman, right well obviously

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<v Speaker 4>or black, I mean then, or if you're a forty

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<v Speaker 4>year combat veteran in the Joi Cheesus staff, or the

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<v Speaker 4>chief of Naval operations. Right that was a woman who

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<v Speaker 4>spent twenty years of her forty year career at sea

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<v Speaker 4>commanding destroyers. But now they're being replaced by a guy

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<v Speaker 4>whose main criteria not that he's a successful combatant commander

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<v Speaker 4>or ran a major staff organization that he was the

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<v Speaker 4>was a fighter pilot. Is who got Donald Trump's attention

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<v Speaker 4>for making his guys wear red hats?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah wow cool? You know fieldy to the king in

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<v Speaker 3>the court.

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<v Speaker 1>Very unsurprisingly, Trump continues to lose.

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump is having a terrible run in the courts.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's getting a little hard for them now

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<v Speaker 4>because I am seeing the rhetoric coming from Elon, because

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<v Speaker 4>you can always watch Elon. He sort of like preps

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<v Speaker 4>the battlefield, like he prepped the battlefield on Ukraine. Now

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<v Speaker 4>he's prepping the battlefield on the judges. Satis that judge

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<v Speaker 4>must be impeached. And I promise you that the House

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<v Speaker 4>of Representatives is gonna gonna rev up the the old

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<v Speaker 4>impeachment wagon any minute now, Yeah, because Elon wants it.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's he going to impeach?

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<v Speaker 4>The House? Is going to try to impeach judges in

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<v Speaker 4>the Senate, it's going to say hamanahamanahamana.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 3>So here's a bit of weirdness.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's weirdness, but I think it's like, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>good is the Supreme Court on Friday prevented Trump from

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<v Speaker 1>firing the head of the watchdog agency.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we love to pooh pooh how incredibly demented

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<v Speaker 1>this court is, but it's nice to see that there

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<v Speaker 1>are still a fee.

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<v Speaker 4>Once in a while you get a moment out of

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<v Speaker 4>this court where they say, no, thank you, we don't

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<v Speaker 4>choose today to be the day that we burned the

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<v Speaker 4>Constitution to the ground. Yes, it could happen anytime, mind you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because as I watched this continual shit show

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and I think this is worth talking about

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<v Speaker 1>for a minute. You have all these federal employees who

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<v Speaker 1>have been fired for no reason. Some are there back

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<v Speaker 1>to try to rehire them. I'm thinking nukes, FDA FAA.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been clear that a lot of the wrong people.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that just firing people, you fire a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the wrong people, people.

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<v Speaker 3>You really need. But you did.

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<v Speaker 1>Really what Elon did, which I think is is pretty spectacular,

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<v Speaker 1>is he has radicalized the federal workforce.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, look, I mean the bad news I probably

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<v Speaker 4>should even say this, but the bad news is the

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<v Speaker 4>ones that stay. If you think you've seen malicious compliance before,

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<v Speaker 4>get ready for something entirely new. I said that there

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<v Speaker 4>are the high skill low skill cuts, and they both hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>These people that are quote probationary offense because they changed

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<v Speaker 4>a job, not because they're new. And there was a

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<v Speaker 4>belief initially on Elon's part in the in his team's part,

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<v Speaker 4>that anyone who was probationary must have been put in

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<v Speaker 4>there as a sleeper agent by Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think they understand what probationary means. There

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<v Speaker 3>have been a number of points where it.

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<v Speaker 1>Becomes clear that Elon doesn't actually know how any of

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<v Speaker 1>those works, Like when he learned about judges.

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<v Speaker 4>You mean any day that ends in a why, right, But.

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<v Speaker 1>When he learned about judges, that was amazing. He was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that means that we couldn't do everything we want, And

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, may I introduce you to Chief Justice John Marshall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, Roberts.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the other part of this starting to Marshall,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm talking about Barbari versus Madison.

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<v Speaker 3>And oh that's what I thought you were to.

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<v Speaker 4>Actual division of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ware to go, Rick Wilson owning Jesse Cannon with

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<v Speaker 1>his continue Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 4>The other cuts that I think are actually starting to

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<v Speaker 4>penetrate in the minds of a lot of voters are

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<v Speaker 4>things like park rangers, firefighters, USDA inspectors.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, you want food that doesn't make you sick?

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<v Speaker 4>You call me crazy, but I picked that one up

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<v Speaker 4>this weekend that the new problem that's happening is they're

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<v Speaker 4>laying off all these food inspectors and so now the

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<v Speaker 4>farmers who are trying to sell their product can't get

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<v Speaker 4>it to market. And aside from you raw milk goons,

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<v Speaker 4>most of us don't want to have listeria or salmonella

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<v Speaker 4>or rotavirus or any the other assorted parade of things

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<v Speaker 4>that at least a cursory inspection by a trained human

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<v Speaker 4>being might help prevent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, Ai can probably do that. No, agree, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even think that.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not thinking that exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know they are thinking that.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like we can't say this enough. This

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<v Speaker 1>is all to pay for tax cuts.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and they say, oh, it's four point seven billion

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<v Speaker 4>dollars in the tax cut. The actual debt that will

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<v Speaker 4>be accumulated from it in the first five years of

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<v Speaker 4>the tax cut is ten point nine trillion dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>Elon Musk is out there and so far they've managed

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<v Speaker 4>to find about eighty billion dollars in cuts. Most of

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<v Speaker 4>those cuts are bullshit. Most of it's made up in

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<v Speaker 4>their heads.

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<v Speaker 3>Some of it is just the zero in the wrong place.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, some of it is they missed a comma. But

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<v Speaker 4>the crisis ahead for them, and I think this is

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<v Speaker 4>a meaningful and real thing they need to sort of

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<v Speaker 4>grapple with. Is this tax cut for Elon and Bezos

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<v Speaker 4>and Zuckerberg and a handful of other people, Because remember, folks,

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<v Speaker 4>if you don't make over about five hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 4>a year, the tax cut is actually a tax increase

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<v Speaker 4>for you, and not to mention, you're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>hit with another tax increase, not counted in the score

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<v Speaker 4>so far, which is the tariffs, which will cause another

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<v Speaker 4>tax increase.

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<v Speaker 3>For you make for yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but all of this comes down Molly, I think too.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm kidding, of course, No.

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<v Speaker 5>I think all this.

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<v Speaker 4>Stuff comes down to they don't understand what they're doing,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're not really trying to do anything consistently or

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<v Speaker 4>ethically or meaningfully. They're trying to cause as much chaos

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<v Speaker 4>own the Libs as hard as they can on the

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<v Speaker 4>front end of this deal, because I think there's a

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<v Speaker 4>small slow recognition beginning to creep in that this may

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<v Speaker 4>be the happy sixty days of the administration and the

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<v Speaker 4>rest of it goes show south.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week we saw that the market had a really

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<v Speaker 1>bad week. If you don't think Donald Trump has his

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<v Speaker 1>eye on the.

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<v Speaker 5>Market, oh think again again.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there were a lot of New York people who

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<v Speaker 1>wanted him in that job because they thought there'd be

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<v Speaker 1>a big market rally. And the fact that he can't

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<v Speaker 1>even get a big market rally. He is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>juice the economy right now. He wants an interest rate

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<v Speaker 1>cut that you know, he has sort of plans to

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<v Speaker 1>juice the economy. So I think a lot of us

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<v Speaker 1>thought it would crash in a year or two years.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, there's a real chance that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even get at the rally that he wants.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he's doing things that are going to make

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<v Speaker 4>the rally much harder to achieve. I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 4>any person on Wall Street, any any serious person on

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<v Speaker 4>Wall Street in the equity space at all, who wakes

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<v Speaker 4>up in the marning and says, you know what would

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<v Speaker 4>be great, massive tariffs on trade. That would be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the solution to our national problem. None of that's real.

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<v Speaker 3>We saw this.

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<v Speaker 1>Week a lot of big fund managers, including Steve Cohen,

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<v Speaker 1>came out and said that they were adjusting, that they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't think their outlook was good. Like Donald Trump may

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<v Speaker 1>not care about American democracy, but he cares when rich

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<v Speaker 1>people think he's.

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<v Speaker 4>He cares about what the market does.

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<v Speaker 3>And he cares about very rich people.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, he cares about very rich people. And he cares

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<v Speaker 4>about the international market climate because it affects his friends

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<v Speaker 4>in Saudi Arabia and thus Jarret and thus the family business.

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<v Speaker 4>I think he cares a lot more about markets than anybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's on inside of his world.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also this other thing which I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>have not focused on because because the blood letting at

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<v Speaker 1>the federal government is so humongous, but we are hurtling

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<v Speaker 1>towards a government shutdown because there is no budget.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's talk.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the Democrats need to play the hardest game

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<v Speaker 4>of hardball in the history of hardball. There is no

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<v Speaker 4>reason for a single Democratic elected official to go out

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<v Speaker 4>there and save Mike Johnson's ass, not a single one.

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<v Speaker 5>Do not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I will tell my Democratic friends what they're going

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<v Speaker 4>to try to do. They're going to say, well, you

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<v Speaker 4>need to make sure your programs for your district are

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<v Speaker 4>in place. Man, we're gonna you know it might you

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<v Speaker 4>might lose snap, or you might lose this, this or that.

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<v Speaker 4>These people are going to lose these things anyway. These

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<v Speaker 4>things are. These things are going away no matter what

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<v Speaker 4>they do. And if they play or played for suckers

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<v Speaker 4>by Mike Johnson and they save him when you should

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<v Speaker 4>be looking for every day, if you're a Democratic elected official,

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<v Speaker 4>to show the chaos, to show the confusion, to show

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<v Speaker 4>the bullshit, to show the nightmare of all of the

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<v Speaker 4>madness that's happening. This is a golden opportunity for Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>to say we told you so. And that is satisfying,

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<v Speaker 4>not to a lot of people who really like think

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<v Speaker 4>about like, I'm going to do good. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>make sure that my people are taking care of everybody's

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<v Speaker 4>going to have to suffer a little short term pain.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there are no choices.

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<v Speaker 4>The matter is whether you suffer short term pain in

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<v Speaker 4>a way that destroys and breaks the Republican majority for

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty six, or if you suffer long term pain

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<v Speaker 4>by not having to bother with future elections.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, that's not perhaps not that that's a.

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<v Speaker 4>Sub optible outcome in my view.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do two more seconds now.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think that there's a school of thought that

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<v Speaker 1>is a little bit worrying, which is that these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are such nihilists that they would actually relish a government

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<v Speaker 1>shutdown because they want to break the federal government and

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<v Speaker 1>they think a shutdown might help them do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, I'm not sure. I'm just like, that's a devil's

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<v Speaker 3>addicate question.

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<v Speaker 4>No government shutdown has ever helped the party in.

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<v Speaker 3>Power, right, No, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Today The Times had a big piece about Chris Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>and how effective he has been at producing a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of content which people have seen. I sent this to

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine who's the comms Democratic Comms, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Comms person wrote back and said, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent with the message, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you fucking moron.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the technical phrase you should be using is you

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<v Speaker 4>fucking morons?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? I was really impressed with what Chris did.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jesse is now texting saying what Bernie has been

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<v Speaker 1>saying for years. I know, yes, correct, And Bernie has

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<v Speaker 1>been doing a really good job traveling around the country

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<v Speaker 1>talking to people.

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<v Speaker 6>Stand by for news. Yes, I agree with Jesse. Holy shit, no,

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<v Speaker 6>I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that there is a moment we're in right now,

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<v Speaker 4>and people haven't utterly thought it all through yet, but

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<v Speaker 4>there's a moment we're in it on this day in

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<v Speaker 4>the Year of our Lord, that really has a chance

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<v Speaker 4>to break loose some of the very deeply solidified bullshit

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<v Speaker 4>on the right because the consequences are actually real for

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<v Speaker 4>people now and that oh my god, my cousin, my friend,

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<v Speaker 4>my neighbor is losing their job or I'm losing my

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<v Speaker 4>job over this. I thought they were going to get

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<v Speaker 4>the DEI people out not me. I thought it was

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<v Speaker 4>the black people going to be fired, not me. And

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<v Speaker 4>the size of the federal government actually matters in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of federal government. There's a whole lot

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<v Speaker 4>of it, and these people that thought this was going

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<v Speaker 4>to be painless and consequence free are in the throes

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<v Speaker 4>of the finding out. Rick Wilson as always a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 4>My friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Waldman is the President and CEO of the Brennan

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<v Speaker 1>Center for NYU School of Law.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back to Fast Politics, Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>It's great to be here in this interesting time in

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<v Speaker 5>which we live.

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny because it's like here we are in this

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<v Speaker 1>moment where Republicans in Congress have really just beclowned themselves

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<v Speaker 1>even more than usual. But it does feel like there

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<v Speaker 1>have been some incredible moments in the courts.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would love you to first talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Us through this most recent decision with the mayor and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump and what is going on.

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<v Speaker 3>Just talk us through this.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the big picture is you're right that the trial courts,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of these judges are really stepping up, which

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<v Speaker 5>is very encouraging. The New York City situation is an example.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of an unusual one. As you know, Eric

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<v Speaker 5>Adams was indicted for corruption. And the question is not

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<v Speaker 5>whether it actually thought the case was on the week,

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<v Speaker 5>to be perfectly honest, but he was indicted for corruption.

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<v Speaker 5>He spent a lot of energy going to Mura Lago,

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<v Speaker 5>sucking up to Trump trying to finagle a pardon. Instead

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<v Speaker 5>Trump's Justice department, his defense lawyer who's acting in charge

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<v Speaker 5>of the Justice Department for a lot of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, wait, wait, is a mule Bove actually the

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<v Speaker 1>defense lawyer of Mayor Adams?

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<v Speaker 3>Two?

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<v Speaker 5>No, he's the defense lawyer of Trump. Right, No, No,

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<v Speaker 5>adams defense lawyer is Elin Musk's lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh excellent. It's important for everyone to have the same lawyers.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you know, you got to keep up with

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<v Speaker 5>this season of suits or whatever. But they said, we're

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<v Speaker 5>not wrapping the charges. In fact, we don't care whether

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<v Speaker 5>the troupe, We don't know if the charges were valid,

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<v Speaker 5>and we don't care. We're going to hang them over

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<v Speaker 5>your head so that you'll cooperate with us on immigration

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<v Speaker 5>and other things like that. And they made Adams Trump's poodle.

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<v Speaker 5>And there was this deeply embarrassing thing where home and

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<v Speaker 5>the border securities or trotted Adams around on Fox and Friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, we saw it. Talk about it though.

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<v Speaker 5>Was so condescending to him. Can you imagine Julianius mayor

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Bloomberg or coch or any of these mayors putting

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<v Speaker 5>up with this. This is New York. And Adams giggled along.

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<v Speaker 5>And anyway, as you know, the prosecutors, including acting head

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<v Speaker 5>of the Southern District of New York Federal Prosecutors, which

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<v Speaker 5>is a very legendarily independent body, she resigned, and the

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<v Speaker 5>Thelliant prosecutors resigned and they are all died in the

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<v Speaker 5>Wold Federalist Society. Conservatives. These are not squishes, these are.

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<v Speaker 3>Not we're talking about to soon here, right right.

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<v Speaker 5>And she was a you know, I think she was

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<v Speaker 5>an Alito clerk or Scalia clerk. She was on the

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<v Speaker 5>fast track. It was a gutsy thing she did, because

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<v Speaker 5>she didn't just resign. She said, I was in a

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<v Speaker 5>meeting where basically the Quippro quote was arranged and you

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<v Speaker 5>confiscated all our notes, and it was quite an accusation. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 5>it all went before the judge in the case, who's

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<v Speaker 5>a judge named Dale Hoe. Judge Hoe may have been

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<v Speaker 5>on your show. For all I know, he was the

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<v Speaker 5>head of the voting team at the ACLU until he

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<v Speaker 5>was on the federal bench. He's arguing a number of

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<v Speaker 5>important cases and successfully in front of the Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 5>He heard the Justice Department and Adams's lawyers the other

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<v Speaker 5>day both said, oh, this was fine, there was no

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<v Speaker 5>corrupt deal here. So what he did on Friday was

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<v Speaker 5>he said, that's not good enough. I'm appointing a lawyer

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<v Speaker 5>to argue for why the case shouldn't be dropped, in

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<v Speaker 5>other words, to argue why this is a real problem.

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<v Speaker 5>And the lawyer he chose was a guy named Paul Clement. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>in the legal world, I mean I was kind of

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<v Speaker 5>looking at the news cover shouldn't It was like, you know,

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:49.520
<v Speaker 5>judge orders lawyer. In the legal world, this is big news.

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<v Speaker 5>He is the leading conservative Republican litigator in front of

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<v Speaker 5>the Supreme Court. He is somebody who people he was

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<v Speaker 5>the Solicitor General. He is somebody who people assumed might

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<v Speaker 5>be on the Supreme Court someday. Maybe Trump isn't going

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<v Speaker 5>to be so interested in that anymore. And he's taken

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<v Speaker 5>on this job of arguing, no, you shouldn't drop the

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<v Speaker 5>case and so in the legal world, the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>it's Paul Clement, it suggests that at least some you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think we're seeing this phenomenon where all the law breaking,

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<v Speaker 5>all the antics, all the constitutional violations, so many of

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 5>the people in and around government know it's bad, so

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<v Speaker 5>many of them are afraid to speak up. This prosecutor

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<v Speaker 5>was not afraid, and that Clement took this on, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>is another sign that it's only one month in, but

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<v Speaker 5>political reality has not been repealed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the courts continue to be really the only check.

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<v Speaker 1>We saw a sort of situation where the courts were

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<v Speaker 1>providing a check on a lot of the real corrupt

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that this admin wants to do. What we're edging towards,

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<v Speaker 1>which I want you to talk us through, is a

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<v Speaker 1>constitutional crisis where they ignore the court or we're already

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<v Speaker 1>seeing shades of that.

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<v Speaker 3>How do we get here on? How do we get

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<v Speaker 3>out of it?

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<v Speaker 5>So the courts, many courts have stepped up. It's important

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<v Speaker 5>that we remember these are the trial judges and that

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<v Speaker 5>the higher up these cases go to the US Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 5>We need to remember that as a very ideological, often

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 5>very partisan court, this is the same Supreme court that

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<v Speaker 5>gave Trump to all presents vast immunity from prosecution for lawbreaking.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think the courts are doing an important thing here.

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<v Speaker 5>We want them to do the important thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think they are the only check, but I think we

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<v Speaker 5>need them to do their job, and many of them

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<v Speaker 5>have done that. The response to the rulings, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>they've ruled that birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. They've

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<v Speaker 5>ruled that in a bunch of different cases that the

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<v Speaker 5>Elon Musk crew and you know, the in cels who

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<v Speaker 5>are going in and rummaging through all these federal agencies,

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<v Speaker 5>that they can't do that, that they have to follow rules.

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<v Speaker 5>They've ruled that a number of the firings of independent

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<v Speaker 5>agency heads or of the Inspectors General and other people

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<v Speaker 5>are illegally. These are basic constitutional checks and balances or

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<v Speaker 5>laws that are being upheld. Elon Musk and JD. Vance

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<v Speaker 5>responded by saying, well, why should we have to follow

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<v Speaker 5>court orders? And that's actually something Vance has said over

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<v Speaker 5>the years.

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<v Speaker 3>The irony here is said JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vans went to Yale Law school, so if he knows anything, it's.

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<v Speaker 5>That, well, maybe they teach that there. I don't know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>But what's interesting is Trump felt compelled to say, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 5>of course, we're going to follow court orders. That's because

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<v Speaker 5>it really would be quite extraordinary and a constitutional crisis

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<v Speaker 5>of sorts for a president to just say, oh, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't like the court order, I'm not going to follow it.

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<v Speaker 5>Following court orders is something presidents have done for one

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<v Speaker 5>hundred and fifty years, basically since the Civil War. There's

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of complexity here. For example, a number

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<v Speaker 5>of the courts or ordered them to not freeze all

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<v Speaker 5>the funding for this program or that program, or all

0:33:05.120 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 5>the federal grants or all the federal loans, and they said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>we're following that. We're going to heel, which is what

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<v Speaker 5>you're supposed to do if you have a court ruling

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<v Speaker 5>you don't like a lot of times, the money doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>get turned back on. This bigot is non Now is

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<v Speaker 5>that a quiet contempt of the court rulings? Is it

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<v Speaker 5>that it's actually hard to turn the federal government on

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<v Speaker 5>and off like a toggle switch? We don't know. This

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<v Speaker 5>is also something that other presidents have done, sort of

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<v Speaker 5>edged around complying with these individual judges. The bigger crisis

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<v Speaker 5>would come if the Supreme Court made a ruling and

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<v Speaker 5>Trump said, the hell with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's vance has been musing. I just want to drill

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<v Speaker 1>down on this for one second. Does this mean that JD.

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<v Speaker 1>Vans is actually kind of more anti democratic than Donald Trump?

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<v Speaker 5>At the very least plays around with authoritarian, highly right

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<v Speaker 5>wing language and ideas more than Trump has. In other words,

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 5>very much embracing the idea of basically, things are so

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 5>messed up in society, we need to be willing to

0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 5>have dictators court. You know, we don't have to listen

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<v Speaker 5>to the corts. This is sort of an alt right

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<v Speaker 5>idea of what edgy ideas are. He's sort of dabbled

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.080
<v Speaker 5>in that stuff even when he was just a kind

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 5>of punt it before he was the Cenator. Remember, he's

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 5>only been in office for two years, and you know,

0:34:22.560 --> 0:34:24.719
<v Speaker 5>who knows what he really believed. This carily wasn't what

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.560
<v Speaker 5>he was saying eight years ago when he was an

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<v Speaker 5>anti Trump writer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right when he was writing for The Atlantic and anti Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but there's a kind of a school of thought

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<v Speaker 5>that thinks that even originalism and a lot of these

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<v Speaker 5>other things the Federalist Society have been working on for

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<v Speaker 5>years and years that that's not right wing enough, that

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<v Speaker 5>you really need a kind of Christian nationalist jurisprudence and

0:34:48.920 --> 0:34:52.359
<v Speaker 5>legal system that is trying to impose morality, impose a

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<v Speaker 5>certain kind of vision of morality on the whole country.

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<v Speaker 5>So we care a lot. I care a lot run

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<v Speaker 5>the Brendan Center. We care a lot about making sure

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 5>that the federal courts are followed. And that has been

0:35:03.040 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 5>really important throughout the country's history. It's how the civil

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 5>rights laws were enforced over very rare, calcil trend racist

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 5>state governments, you know, in the nineteen fifties and the

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen sixties. Presidents don't really like following these court rulings

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<v Speaker 5>very often. I mean, I work for a president in

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<v Speaker 5>some White House seats always like following those rulings by

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<v Speaker 5>any means. But they do it because they know how

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<v Speaker 5>important it is. There's a little bit of complexity.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember Judge Kasmeric, Yeah, Matthew Kizmerck from Texas's Amarillo.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the one judge in that district.

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<v Speaker 5>Right And there's a lot of problems in the federal

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<v Speaker 5>courts right now where basically you can find a judge

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<v Speaker 5>to agree with you. It's called, not surprisingly judge shopping

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<v Speaker 5>and if you want to bring a right wing case,

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<v Speaker 5>go to Amillo, Texas. And Judge Kasmerick, for example, was

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<v Speaker 5>the one who ruled that methapristoe, the medical abortion drug

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<v Speaker 5>that has been approved by the FDA a quarter century ago,

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<v Speaker 5>and it's been very successfully that they had done it

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<v Speaker 5>all wrong and that it was now illegal. And a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of us at the time said, there's a problem with,

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<v Speaker 5>as I put it at the time, a judge with

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<v Speaker 5>a gamble and a grudge, you know, making a ruling

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<v Speaker 5>like that for the whole country. And we knew then

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<v Speaker 5>that liberals do bring these cases and conservatives do too,

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<v Speaker 5>and so it's probably not a good system that one

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<v Speaker 5>judge maybe can make this kind of ruling for the

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<v Speaker 5>whole country. At least there's an argument around that. But

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<v Speaker 5>what you have to do is you appeal the ruling.

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<v Speaker 5>You don't just say, oh, we're not going to do it.

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<v Speaker 5>But what I want to remind my fellow liberals about,

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<v Speaker 5>we have a very big set of fights in front

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<v Speaker 5>of the Supreme Court coming up. Some of these cases

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<v Speaker 5>that are going to get there. For example, Trump on

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<v Speaker 5>the first day tried to by executive order and birthright citizenship.

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<v Speaker 3>The fourteenth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, And that's the idea that if you're born

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<v Speaker 5>in the United States physically your citizen. That's literally in

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<v Speaker 5>the Constitution. It's why they wrote the fourteenth was that.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think even the Supreme Court will rule Trump

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<v Speaker 5>can't do that. There are other cases coming up where

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<v Speaker 5>I think the very right wing supermajority in the Supreme

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<v Speaker 5>Court can't wait to rule with Trump. Thinking about what

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<v Speaker 5>the ability, for example, to fire independent agency commissioners, which

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<v Speaker 5>Trump is doing with a bunch of different things that

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<v Speaker 5>involves a case called Humphrey's Executor from the nineteen thirties.

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<v Speaker 5>They can't wait to overturn that. They were trying to

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<v Speaker 5>overtrain that when Trump was still a liberal Democrat. I'm

0:37:33.480 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 5>going to the Playboy managers. They were trying to overturn that.

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<v Speaker 5>Where I think it's really important that they step up

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<v Speaker 5>and where I have a lot of nervousness about it,

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<v Speaker 5>or on some of these very basic cases having to

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<v Speaker 5>do with what the power of Congress and what Elon

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<v Speaker 5>Musk is doing. The idea that if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>have a system of checks and balances, the idea that

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<v Speaker 5>even puts out that he's the wealthiest person in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>that one presidential aid can go in with no authorization

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<v Speaker 5>from Congress and just stop the spending, shut down programs,

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<v Speaker 5>with no laws being passed. That upends the constitution that

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<v Speaker 5>makes the president of king or dictator. And that's what

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of these cases are about. And that's where

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of cases in front of the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 5>will be. And so I think we all need to

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<v Speaker 5>be shouting from the rooftops that they need to do

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<v Speaker 5>the right thing and do their job. I would say,

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<v Speaker 5>given the configuration of this court, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>case by case.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Komi and Roberts are not rubber stamps for

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<v Speaker 1>the real badg hit staff, but everything else I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a real chance they're.

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<v Speaker 3>Able to do.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. And you know, she's interesting. She didn't know that

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<v Speaker 5>much about her Let they put her in the court.

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<v Speaker 3>No they didn't, Thank god.

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<v Speaker 5>She's the one with the greatest potential for cutting her

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<v Speaker 5>own intellectual path.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's very smart.

0:38:52.200 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 5>Kavanaugh tends to follow the political needs of the party

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<v Speaker 5>that put him in power, and he's a very strong

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<v Speaker 5>supporter of a strong presidency. Roberts, you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people said about Roberts, Oh, he's an institutionalist. He's

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<v Speaker 5>above all trying to preserve the credibility of the Supreme Court.

0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 5>Occasionally he would make rulings where he didn't even agree

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<v Speaker 5>with really the outcome, but he knew it would be

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<v Speaker 5>really bad for the Supreme Court injecting it into politics

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.319
<v Speaker 5>to make the rulings. But then again, he did this

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<v Speaker 5>ruling on presidential immunity that was so much worse than

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.959
<v Speaker 5>people expected, so much worse than it could have been.

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<v Speaker 5>And according to coverage by Jodi Kant and Adam Liptak

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<v Speaker 5>in the New York Times, the liberals in the court said,

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<v Speaker 5>let's work together. We can make this the unanimous ruling

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<v Speaker 5>to limit presidential prosecutions. And he said, no, I want

0:39:42.880 --> 0:39:44.759
<v Speaker 5>to work just for the conservatives. He can go jump

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 5>in a lake. And so I wouldn't assume John Roberts

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<v Speaker 5>is the John Roberts of liberals dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I don't think so either. But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think all is not lost, Like there's a lot of

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>room between. All is not lost, and this is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be okay, right.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the laws of political gravity have not been repealed.

0:40:06.360 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 5>The laws of reality have not been repealed. The impact

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<v Speaker 5>of all the craziness on the stock market, on tariffs,

0:40:14.160 --> 0:40:17.479
<v Speaker 5>on the economy, inflation, all of those things are real.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that these court rulings, first of all,

0:40:20.080 --> 0:40:23.799
<v Speaker 5>they're very important. In twenty seventeen, it's pretty interesting. In

0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 5>twenty seventeen, I really thought that it was the Women's

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<v Speaker 5>March that set the tone, that encouraged and empowered the

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:34.480
<v Speaker 5>judges back then to stand up this time. You know,

0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 5>you've heard so much doom and gloom and oh, there's

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 5>nothing anybody can do. There's nothing anybody can do. This time,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a lot of the judges who were the first

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<v Speaker 5>ones to stand up. And three days into the term,

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<v Speaker 5>a Reagan judge judge appointed by Ronald Reagan, said about

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<v Speaker 5>the birthright citizenship thing, so this is flavorly and constitutional

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<v Speaker 5>and question basically the law license of the lawyer who

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<v Speaker 5>was arguing the case in front of them. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that should give the rest of us, and

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<v Speaker 5>some of the people in Congress, some of the Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>in Congress, some courage. Here. If people believe something for

0:41:06.960 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 5>their whole lives, they don't have to chuck those views

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<v Speaker 5>aside just because Donald Trump is present.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you, thank you, Michael.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you. Interesting times, no momentle fuck.

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<v Speaker 4>Rick Wilson, Molly jong Fast.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have a child with Elon Musk, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know how you can communicate with him?

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<v Speaker 4>There's a large audience for this. I mean, we know

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<v Speaker 4>of thirteen. It could be a much larger pool of people.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how many it could be. But every

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<v Speaker 4>time you go out on a date with Elon ladies

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<v Speaker 4>and he says, let's do kennymine that make a baby

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<v Speaker 4>in a laboratory, you should try to get something up

0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:49.000
<v Speaker 4>upfront on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, Rick is kidding because he doesn't know what Elon does.

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<v Speaker 3>That said.

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<v Speaker 1>I would think you could do a DM and not

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<v Speaker 1>an actual tweet. But it turns out that if you

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<v Speaker 1>have had a child with Elon Musk and you need

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.920
<v Speaker 1>to get his attention, the way to do it is

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<v Speaker 1>to tweet to him, Dear Elon, our child is dot

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>d dert or I'm suing you for debt because that

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>is really the only way to get his attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this week, both Grimes a baby mama of two

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<v Speaker 4>of his babies, three three of his babies. Excuse me,

0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 4>Jesse and Ashley something or another.

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<v Speaker 3>Some conservative influencer. She rolled off the MAGA also a

0:42:30.000 --> 0:42:31.959
<v Speaker 3>writer quote unquote, is.

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<v Speaker 5>She now.

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<v Speaker 4>Rolled off the MAGA influencer production line somewhere? I mean

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<v Speaker 4>the other part of this, This is the party of

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<v Speaker 4>Christian Values. This is the part of the pro life party.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I'm sorry. At some point, guys, just

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<v Speaker 4>put his statue icons in your Twitter avatar of Roman

0:42:50.440 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 4>generals does not make you a man.

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<v Speaker 3>Speak for yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Just being a rich dipshit elon does not make you

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<v Speaker 4>a man. Taking care of your family that would be

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<v Speaker 4>the definition of making you man.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Man Mars, I can't get.

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<v Speaker 4>That first rocket to Mars. He is welcome to go.

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<v Speaker 4>I encourage it. Rick Wilson, my Jung Fast the pleasure

0:43:11.200 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 4>as always, my friend.

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