1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: today's best minds and Donald Trump's Middle East Envoy Steve 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: Woodcoff can't name a single concession that Russia will make 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: in the quote unquote peace deal house shotging, we have 6 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: such a great show for you today the Lincoln Projects. 7 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: Rick Wilson joins us to discuss Elon's profoundly dumb email 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: to federal workers. Then we will talk to the Brennan 9 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: Centers Michael Waldman about how they have been countering Trump's 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,919 Speaker 1: war on the judges. 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: But first the news Smiley, I have to say I 12 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: knew who main governor Jenet Mills was. I didn't know 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: much about her game, but I liked her game this week. 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Maine has some really interesting politicians. I'm 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: thinking about Angus King, who was a Republican became an independent. 16 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: There's just a lot of super stuff here. Here's Janet Mills. 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: She's at a meal with Trump with the governors, and 18 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: Trump asks if she's at the event, and she says yes, 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: and he says, in the typical trumpy fashion, you better 20 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: do it because you're not going to get any federal 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: funding at all if you don't. Now, FYI, this is 22 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: really now how it's not supposed to work. Right, There's 23 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: federalism exists for a reason, right, Trump says to Mills, 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: who replied that she would follow state and federal laws. 25 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 3: By the way, we want our. 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: Lawmakers to follow the law, okay, Like that is the 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: correct answer, right, Like we should want all of our 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: politicians to follow the law. If you are a politician, 29 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 1: you are doing something that is not following the law, 30 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: you should not be holding office. She also told the 31 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: President see you in court, which I think is really like. 32 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: It was a pretty ball or move. 33 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: Especially you're surrounded by other governors, you are in the 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: White House, or you're in you know, he is intimidating guy, 35 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: and she's you know, just this sort of older woman. 36 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: And by the way, I would like to point out 37 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: it does seem to me that older women are doing 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: a lot more standing up to Trump than people like say, oh, 39 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff Bezos or you know they're right, 40 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I mean, or Zuckerberg. These are people who are not 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: you know, who have billions of dollars and refuse to 42 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: stand up to Trump. Miles also released a statement vowing 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: if the President attempts to unilaterally deprive main school children 44 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: of the benefit of federal funding, my administration in the 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: Attorney General will take all appropriate and necessary legal option 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: to restore that funding. And by the way, I just 47 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: want to point out, like anyone who listens to this 48 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: podcast knows that we've had a lot of Democratic attorneys 49 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: generals and that they have been working their asses off 50 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: to prepare the battle in court that will protect federalism hopefully, 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: And so I just want to say, like, all of 52 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: this is happening because these Democratic attorneys general did what 53 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be doing, prepare for Trump is 54 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: I'm really just super impressed that they had the war 55 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: withal to get on this immediately, and also good for 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: her for standing up. 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: Hell yeah, ma, let's break a little news here. You 58 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:17,200 Speaker 2: and I are going to be putting up three YouTube 59 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: videos every week that are different programming than what you 60 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: hear on Fast Politics, because we're putting our foot into 61 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 2: the world of YouTube and it's very good. We've done 62 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 2: some tests so far they are amazing. You're killing it. 63 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,679 Speaker 2: But while I was studying for what we're going to 64 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: do over the weekend. I have a tool called video iq. 65 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 2: It tells me how many views a channel gets in 66 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: a month. And something I noticed is Bernie Sanders and 67 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 2: Chris Murphy each have singular videos that are more popular 68 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: than the entire month of videos from the rest of 69 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: the Democrats entire channels in the Senate. 70 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: I just want to say two things here about us 71 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: going to YouTube. One is that Jesse is actually a 72 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: big YouTube celebrity already for music, so I will be 73 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: cloud chasing him and two, I know and also embarrassing 74 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: him on this podcast. 75 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: That's what I do. 76 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: But the other thing is that I think it's really 77 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: important to realize that there are some really effective messengers. 78 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: And it was a really good piece in The Times 79 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: today about Murphy. Bernie too has been doing these huge 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: town halls, and I think what's important about these two 81 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: men is that they prove my theory that this is 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: not actually an ideological issue, it's a messaging issue. So 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: Bernie is very lefty, Murphy is very centrist. They are 84 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: not the same, they do not represent the same wing 85 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: of the party, but they are both breaking through and 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: that's because they are very good communicators and they are 87 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: flooding the zone with information, and so I think that 88 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: would spend a lot of time, especially on cable news, 89 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: arguing about whether or not Medicare should cover you know, 90 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: or that we should do free glasses, or we should 91 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: do rebreakfast. 92 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: Or we should you know what I mean. 93 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: And the truth is, this is not about policy, This 94 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: is about persuasion. This is about connecting with voters. And 95 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: so I am particularly thrilled by this combination of these 96 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 1: two men because it really does show that, in fact, 97 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: this is not an ideological issue. It is a communication issue. 98 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: I think that's actually quite good. And thank you for 99 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: letting me. 100 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 3: Vent on that well. 101 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: Speaking of venting, protesters at Republican events were told that 102 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 2: your voice is meaningless. 103 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, shockingly. 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: Look, these Republicans are so scared, right because as much 105 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: as they think trumpsm is great, or maybe they don't. Basically, 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: they're supporting Trump because they're scared of what Trump will 107 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: do to them. They're supporting Musk because they're scared about 108 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: what Musk will do to them. 109 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Do they believe this stuff? 110 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,840 Speaker 1: Certainly they believe in cutting the federal government, but I'm 111 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: sure they don't believe in an unelected billionaire being the 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: one who's deciding it via email. And so they are scared, 113 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: and they are in a terrible situation, and they're going 114 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: to have to defend the indefensible, as they have done before. 115 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: Saturday's protests come as Trump made several policy decisions, including 116 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: the creation of the Elon Musk Department of Government Efficiency 117 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: as unofficial agencies established to executive orders operating the White 118 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: House Task Force. The President has signed several executive orders 119 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: enacting this conservative agenda. But you know, also the other thing, 120 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: and I think this is worth remembering when it comes 121 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: to executive orders, is that. 122 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: They are very easy to undo. 123 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: So many of these will not hold up in court, 124 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 1: and many will be undone quickly. Now that said, there's 125 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: going to be a real problem in the Office of 126 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: Management and Budget whether or not Russ Vought will continue 127 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: to impound the funds because Jesse and I know from 128 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: our YouTube series that we did during the summer about 129 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five that Russ Vought is working real 130 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: hard to make sure that the agencies that Congress allocated 131 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: the funds for do not cut the money. And so 132 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: I think that is what was will ultimately kick us 133 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: into a slow rolling constitutional crisis. 134 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: Speaking of constitutional crisises, one of the concerns was that 135 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court was going to uber stamp every one 136 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: of Trump's aggressions on the federal government. And so far 137 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: that's looking to actually not be the case, which is 138 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 2: a pleasant surprise. 139 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Supreme Court looked at Trump's ability to fire 140 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: the head of the federal agency that protects government whistleblowers. 141 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: By the way, if you want transparency and government protecting 142 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: whistleblowers who come out and say when people are doing 143 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: corrupt things in the government, that's kind of how this goes. 144 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 3: And remember Elon Musk, the real president keeps saying that 145 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 3: he wants transparency. 146 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: This is about transparency. He's protecting transparency. It is not 147 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: about transparency. And you know it's not about transparency because 148 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: they are not being transparent and also because they refuse 149 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: to provide any transparentancy. That makes me think it's not 150 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: about transparency. 151 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, Now on to the bad news. Hawaii, who 152 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: had probably the best response to the pandemic of all 153 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: fifty states. Their governor, Josh Green, he said some pretty 154 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: dark stuff on Friday. 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Let's just remember Elon Musk is cutting NIH funding. He's 156 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: cutting funding that is working on cheers for cancer and 157 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: also infectious diseases. And basically, Josh Green is saying states 158 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: must prepare now for another pandemic, and man, he is 159 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: totally right. Also important to remember that Elon Musk made 160 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: all his money on scientific. 161 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: Discoveries green energy. 162 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: Here he is now making sure he's sort of closing 163 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: the door to others. Josh Green is worried that there's 164 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 1: going to be measles or bird flu or something like that. 165 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: And I think he's right to be, and we all 166 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: should be worried about this. 167 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: But this is how the things start. 168 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: Rick wills And is the founder of the Lincoln Project 169 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: and the host of the Enemy's List. Welcome Back, two 170 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: Best Politics. 171 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, Molly. 172 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 4: John Fast, Happy day to you, my friend, and. 173 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: I am happy to be here with you. And you 174 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 3: know why we're happy. Why are we happy? 175 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: Because bad people are getting smitten from time to time 176 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 4: now and smited, smited insmite rated. 177 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: Yes, let's start with the beginning. Let's start with assessing 178 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: the president. Elon Musk. 179 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 4: He is our greatest president. 180 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 3: Right. 181 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: He wrote a BCC email to the entire federal. 182 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 4: Government impressive, I have to say, honestly impressive. And it's 183 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 4: it's it's sheer dumbfuckery level. Levels of dumbfuckery previously unknown 184 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 4: to science were achieved. 185 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: It's one of these things where it's like I get 186 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: being high on your own supply because everyone has had 187 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: a moment like that, including myself. 188 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: I know you're shocked to hear this. 189 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: But I still think, like there was no one who said, 190 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: before you send this one email to everyone in the 191 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: federal government, let's game out what happens. 192 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, what are the consequences of this email? 193 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 5: Boss? 194 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 4: Like all megalomaniacs, he has reached the point where he 195 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 4: believes that nothing that he wants is wrong and that 196 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 4: no impulse could have other consequences. And the fact of 197 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: the matter is he's actually proving to a lot of 198 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 4: people that while Elon has a certain cunning, much like Trump, 199 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 4: it's narrow and awfully dumb in some ways. 200 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really good point, that he 201 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: has a very narrow field of vision. And I do 202 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: think what you're saying is right. And I do think also, 203 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: like as someone who has sort of been a fame hobbyist, 204 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: a person who has often thought a lot about how 205 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: fame affects people and wealth and power. One of the 206 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: things that I think is so interesting about him is 207 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: that he had quite a lot of goodwill, and maybe 208 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: that was what created this sort of invincibility. But there 209 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: really is a feeling when you watch his behavior that 210 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: he thinks that the tides will never turn for him 211 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to popularity. And there were a lot 212 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: of polls this week that showed otherwise. 213 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 4: There were a lot of surveys And by the way, 214 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 4: my favorite thing of the week is Donald Trump declaring 215 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: he's at seventy one percent approval, and I'm like, motherfucker, 216 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: you're not even at seventy one percent approval in your 217 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: own family. 218 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: Well, not to hand it to Donald Trump, but seventy 219 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: one percent approval, we do not live in a country 220 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: where that is going. 221 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 4: To be Our country doesn't work that way anymore. It 222 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: did back in the day. But he could cure cancer 223 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: tomorrow and people would be like, no, right, And the 224 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: same thing could have applied if George Bush had cured 225 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: cancer or whatever. Well, you just wear a divided country 226 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 4: in that respect. I think I don't see that changing 227 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 4: in the near term. 228 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: So let's just talk through a little bit. So we 229 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: got MOSK sending this mass email. We have FRINT divisions 230 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: including cash Battel, Welcome to the Resistance, cash Battel. Just kidding, oh, 231 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: saying ignore the Elon email, right, because the thing is, 232 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: here's a guy who's saying he's going to fire whoever 233 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: doesn't write back something that makes him happy. You know, 234 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: I want to like pause or a second and just 235 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: talk about this. Nobody wants waste. No one is served 236 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: by wasting your tax dollars. That said, just writing an 237 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: email to the entire federal government and then reading I 238 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: don't know who's going to read all of these emails, 239 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: but the idea is that someone will, and that that person, oh. 240 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: Oh, AI is going to read all these emails. That's 241 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 4: the thing here. They're going to have AI reading them 242 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: and say, oh, this person must go. They have not 243 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 4: displayed sufficient fealty to Lord Alon. 244 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: I was actually just reading an article in the New 245 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: Yorker which made me think about this, Which is part 246 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: of what Elon is banking on, is that we all 247 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: think AI is further along than it is. 248 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: Well. 249 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: AI can certainly do a lot of things like edit 250 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: little changes in voice or whatever. It can't necessarily actually 251 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: figure out who's doing what in the federal government, or 252 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: it can't do the sort of nuances that would be 253 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: needed in this moment. 254 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 4: It is not yet the magical box. 255 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: It will be soon, unfortunately. 256 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we're racing toward that. My favorite story 257 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 4: of last week was there's a new AI that's purpose 258 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 4: is to hack other AIS. 259 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: Great, it's probably fun. 260 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 4: Fine, No, but you're right. I mean he is doing 261 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 4: this as part of his broader campaign to terrify the 262 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 4: federal workforce and to dishearten the federal workforce. And look, 263 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 4: it has been somewhat effective to date. 264 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,319 Speaker 3: Right, they are terrified. 265 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 5: I think it's worked. 266 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: You know, you made smart people have a terrible time 267 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: and feel like shit. 268 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: Congratulations Yet. 269 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: In suject yeah, I mean, like these are people who 270 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: could have made more money in investment banking. 271 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 5: Yeah. 272 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 4: I look at it as what I call the high 273 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 4: skill skill cuts. 274 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 5: Okay. 275 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 4: I talked to somebody today who got fired from an 276 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:17,559 Speaker 4: agency because she had gotten her scholarship and internship through 277 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 4: a women in science program. 278 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 3: Right, which is Dhi DEI. 279 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: They didn't care that she's a talented and very highly 280 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 4: educated person. In her field doesn't matter. You're out. You're 281 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 4: a dei hier if you're a woman, right well obviously 282 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: or black, I mean then, or if you're a forty 283 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 4: year combat veteran in the Joi Cheesus staff, or the 284 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: chief of Naval operations. Right that was a woman who 285 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: spent twenty years of her forty year career at sea 286 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: commanding destroyers. But now they're being replaced by a guy 287 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 4: whose main criteria not that he's a successful combatant commander 288 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 4: or ran a major staff organization that he was the 289 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 4: was a fighter pilot. Is who got Donald Trump's attention 290 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,119 Speaker 4: for making his guys wear red hats? 291 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 3: Yeah wow cool? You know fieldy to the king in 292 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: the court. 293 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: Very unsurprisingly, Trump continues to lose. 294 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: Donald Trump is having a terrible run in the courts. 295 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: I think it's getting a little hard for them now 296 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: because I am seeing the rhetoric coming from Elon, because 297 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 4: you can always watch Elon. He sort of like preps 298 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: the battlefield, like he prepped the battlefield on Ukraine. Now 299 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: he's prepping the battlefield on the judges. Satis that judge 300 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 4: must be impeached. And I promise you that the House 301 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 4: of Representatives is gonna gonna rev up the the old 302 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 4: impeachment wagon any minute now, Yeah, because Elon wants it. 303 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: Who's he going to impeach? 304 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 4: The House? Is going to try to impeach judges in 305 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: the Senate, it's going to say hamanahamanahamana. 306 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 5: No. 307 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: So here's a bit of weirdness. 308 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's weirdness, but I think it's like, actually, 309 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: good is the Supreme Court on Friday prevented Trump from 310 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: firing the head of the watchdog agency. 311 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: That is not nothing. 312 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: You know, we love to pooh pooh how incredibly demented 313 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: this court is, but it's nice to see that there 314 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: are still a fee. 315 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 4: Once in a while you get a moment out of 316 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: this court where they say, no, thank you, we don't 317 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 4: choose today to be the day that we burned the 318 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: Constitution to the ground. Yes, it could happen anytime, mind you. 319 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. 320 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: It's funny because as I watched this continual shit show 321 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: going on, and I think this is worth talking about 322 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: for a minute. You have all these federal employees who 323 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: have been fired for no reason. Some are there back 324 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: to try to rehire them. I'm thinking nukes, FDA FAA. 325 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: It's been clear that a lot of the wrong people. 326 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: It turns out that just firing people, you fire a 327 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: lot of the wrong people, people. 328 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: You really need. But you did. 329 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Really what Elon did, which I think is is pretty spectacular, 330 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: is he has radicalized the federal workforce. 331 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, look, I mean the bad news I probably 332 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: should even say this, but the bad news is the 333 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 4: ones that stay. If you think you've seen malicious compliance before, 334 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 4: get ready for something entirely new. I said that there 335 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 4: are the high skill low skill cuts, and they both hurt. 336 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 4: These people that are quote probationary offense because they changed 337 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 4: a job, not because they're new. And there was a 338 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 4: belief initially on Elon's part in the in his team's part, 339 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 4: that anyone who was probationary must have been put in 340 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 4: there as a sleeper agent by Joe Biden. 341 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they understand what probationary means. There 342 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: have been a number of points where it. 343 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: Becomes clear that Elon doesn't actually know how any of 344 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: those works, Like when he learned about judges. 345 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 4: You mean any day that ends in a why, right, But. 346 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: When he learned about judges, that was amazing. He was like, well, 347 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: that means that we couldn't do everything we want, And 348 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I was. 349 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 4: Like, may I introduce you to Chief Justice John Marshall. 350 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Roberts. 351 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: I think the other part of this starting to Marshall, 352 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: I'm talking about Barbari versus Madison. 353 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 3: And oh that's what I thought you were to. 354 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 4: Actual division of the. 355 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, ware to go, Rick Wilson owning Jesse Cannon with 356 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: his continue Yes, sir. 357 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 4: The other cuts that I think are actually starting to 358 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: penetrate in the minds of a lot of voters are 359 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 4: things like park rangers, firefighters, USDA inspectors. 360 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 3: Wait, you want food that doesn't make you sick? 361 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,479 Speaker 4: You call me crazy, but I picked that one up 362 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 4: this weekend that the new problem that's happening is they're 363 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 4: laying off all these food inspectors and so now the 364 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 4: farmers who are trying to sell their product can't get 365 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 4: it to market. And aside from you raw milk goons, 366 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 4: most of us don't want to have listeria or salmonella 367 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: or rotavirus or any the other assorted parade of things 368 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 4: that at least a cursory inspection by a trained human 369 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 4: being might help prevent. 370 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Ai can probably do that. No, agree, Well, 371 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 3: I don't even think that. 372 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: They're not thinking that exactly. 373 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 3: No, I know they are thinking that. 374 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: I just feel like we can't say this enough. This 375 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: is all to pay for tax cuts. 376 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they say, oh, it's four point seven billion 377 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 4: dollars in the tax cut. The actual debt that will 378 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 4: be accumulated from it in the first five years of 379 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 4: the tax cut is ten point nine trillion dollars. Now, 380 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 4: Elon Musk is out there and so far they've managed 381 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 4: to find about eighty billion dollars in cuts. Most of 382 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 4: those cuts are bullshit. Most of it's made up in 383 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: their heads. 384 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 3: Some of it is just the zero in the wrong place. 385 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 4: Right, some of it is they missed a comma. But 386 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 4: the crisis ahead for them, and I think this is 387 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: a meaningful and real thing they need to sort of 388 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 4: grapple with. Is this tax cut for Elon and Bezos 389 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 4: and Zuckerberg and a handful of other people, Because remember, folks, 390 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 4: if you don't make over about five hundred thousand dollars 391 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 4: a year, the tax cut is actually a tax increase 392 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 4: for you, and not to mention, you're going to be 393 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 4: hit with another tax increase, not counted in the score 394 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 4: so far, which is the tariffs, which will cause another 395 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: tax increase. 396 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: For you make for yourself. 397 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, but all of this comes down Molly, I think too. 398 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 3: Now I'm kidding, of course, No. 399 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: I think all this. 400 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 4: Stuff comes down to they don't understand what they're doing, 401 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 4: but they're not really trying to do anything consistently or 402 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 4: ethically or meaningfully. They're trying to cause as much chaos 403 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 4: own the Libs as hard as they can on the 404 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 4: front end of this deal, because I think there's a 405 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 4: small slow recognition beginning to creep in that this may 406 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 4: be the happy sixty days of the administration and the 407 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 4: rest of it goes show south. 408 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: Last week we saw that the market had a really 409 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: bad week. If you don't think Donald Trump has his 410 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: eye on the. 411 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 5: Market, oh think again again. 412 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of New York people who 413 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 1: wanted him in that job because they thought there'd be 414 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: a big market rally. And the fact that he can't 415 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: even get a big market rally. He is trying to 416 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: juice the economy right now. He wants an interest rate 417 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: cut that you know, he has sort of plans to 418 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: juice the economy. So I think a lot of us 419 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: thought it would crash in a year or two years. 420 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: But you know, there's a real chance that he doesn't 421 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: even get at the rally that he wants. 422 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: I think he's doing things that are going to make 423 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 4: the rally much harder to achieve. I don't think there's 424 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 4: any person on Wall Street, any any serious person on 425 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: Wall Street in the equity space at all, who wakes 426 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: up in the marning and says, you know what would 427 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 4: be great, massive tariffs on trade. That would be fantastic. 428 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,880 Speaker 4: That's the solution to our national problem. None of that's real. 429 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 3: We saw this. 430 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: Week a lot of big fund managers, including Steve Cohen, 431 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: came out and said that they were adjusting, that they 432 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: didn't think their outlook was good. Like Donald Trump may 433 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: not care about American democracy, but he cares when rich 434 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: people think he's. 435 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 4: He cares about what the market does. 436 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: And he cares about very rich people. 437 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, he cares about very rich people. And he cares 438 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 4: about the international market climate because it affects his friends 439 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 4: in Saudi Arabia and thus Jarret and thus the family business. 440 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 4: I think he cares a lot more about markets than anybody. 441 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 4: Let's on inside of his world. 442 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: There's also this other thing which I feel like we 443 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: have not focused on because because the blood letting at 444 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: the federal government is so humongous, but we are hurtling 445 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: towards a government shutdown because there is no budget. 446 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 3: So let's talk. 447 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 4: I think the Democrats need to play the hardest game 448 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: of hardball in the history of hardball. There is no 449 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: reason for a single Democratic elected official to go out 450 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: there and save Mike Johnson's ass, not a single one. 451 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 5: Do not. 452 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 4: And I will tell my Democratic friends what they're going 453 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 4: to try to do. They're going to say, well, you 454 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 4: need to make sure your programs for your district are 455 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 4: in place. Man, we're gonna you know it might you 456 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 4: might lose snap, or you might lose this, this or that. 457 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 4: These people are going to lose these things anyway. These 458 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 4: things are. These things are going away no matter what 459 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 4: they do. And if they play or played for suckers 460 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: by Mike Johnson and they save him when you should 461 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,399 Speaker 4: be looking for every day, if you're a Democratic elected official, 462 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 4: to show the chaos, to show the confusion, to show 463 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 4: the bullshit, to show the nightmare of all of the 464 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 4: madness that's happening. This is a golden opportunity for Democrats 465 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 4: to say we told you so. And that is satisfying, 466 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 4: not to a lot of people who really like think 467 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 4: about like, I'm going to do good. I'm going to 468 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 4: make sure that my people are taking care of everybody's 469 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 4: going to have to suffer a little short term pain. 470 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 3: Well, there are no choices. 471 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 4: The matter is whether you suffer short term pain in 472 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 4: a way that destroys and breaks the Republican majority for 473 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, or if you suffer long term pain 474 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 4: by not having to bother with future elections. 475 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,680 Speaker 3: Right, that's not perhaps not that that's a. 476 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 4: Sub optible outcome in my view. 477 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: I want to do two more seconds now. 478 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: I actually think that there's a school of thought that 479 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: is a little bit worrying, which is that these guys 480 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: are such nihilists that they would actually relish a government 481 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: shutdown because they want to break the federal government and 482 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: they think a shutdown might help them do it. 483 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 3: Again, I'm not sure. I'm just like, that's a devil's 484 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: addicate question. 485 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 4: No government shutdown has ever helped the party in. 486 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: Power, right, No, for sure. 487 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: Today The Times had a big piece about Chris Murphy 488 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: and how effective he has been at producing a lot 489 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: of content which people have seen. I sent this to 490 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: a friend of mine who's the comms Democratic Comms, and 491 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: the Democratic Comms person wrote back and said, I'm not 492 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: one hundred percent with the message, and I was like, 493 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: you fucking moron. 494 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 4: Yes, the technical phrase you should be using is you 495 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 4: fucking morons? 496 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 3: Right? I was really impressed with what Chris did. 497 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: And Jesse is now texting saying what Bernie has been 498 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: saying for years. I know, yes, correct, And Bernie has 499 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: been doing a really good job traveling around the country 500 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: talking to people. 501 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 6: Stand by for news. Yes, I agree with Jesse. Holy shit, no, 502 00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 6: I do. 503 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 4: I think that there is a moment we're in right now, 504 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: and people haven't utterly thought it all through yet, but 505 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 4: there's a moment we're in it on this day in 506 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 4: the Year of our Lord, that really has a chance 507 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 4: to break loose some of the very deeply solidified bullshit 508 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 4: on the right because the consequences are actually real for 509 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 4: people now and that oh my god, my cousin, my friend, 510 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 4: my neighbor is losing their job or I'm losing my 511 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 4: job over this. I thought they were going to get 512 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: the DEI people out not me. I thought it was 513 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 4: the black people going to be fired, not me. And 514 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 4: the size of the federal government actually matters in this case. 515 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 4: There's a lot of federal government. There's a whole lot 516 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 4: of it, and these people that thought this was going 517 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: to be painless and consequence free are in the throes 518 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 4: of the finding out. Rick Wilson as always a pleasure. 519 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 4: My friend. 520 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: Michael Waldman is the President and CEO of the Brennan 521 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: Center for NYU School of Law. 522 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Fast Politics, Michael. 523 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 5: It's great to be here in this interesting time in 524 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 5: which we live. 525 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: It's funny because it's like here we are in this 526 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: moment where Republicans in Congress have really just beclowned themselves 527 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: even more than usual. But it does feel like there 528 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: have been some incredible moments in the courts. 529 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 3: And I would love you to first talk. 530 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: Us through this most recent decision with the mayor and 531 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: Trump and what is going on. 532 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 3: Just talk us through this. 533 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 5: Well, the big picture is you're right that the trial courts, 534 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 5: a lot of these judges are really stepping up, which 535 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: is very encouraging. The New York City situation is an example. 536 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 5: It's kind of an unusual one. As you know, Eric 537 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 5: Adams was indicted for corruption. And the question is not 538 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 5: whether it actually thought the case was on the week, 539 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: to be perfectly honest, but he was indicted for corruption. 540 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 5: He spent a lot of energy going to Mura Lago, 541 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 5: sucking up to Trump trying to finagle a pardon. Instead 542 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 5: Trump's Justice department, his defense lawyer who's acting in charge 543 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 5: of the Justice Department for a lot of this. 544 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: Oh wait, wait, wait, is a mule Bove actually the 545 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: defense lawyer of Mayor Adams? 546 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 3: Two? 547 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 5: No, he's the defense lawyer of Trump. Right, No, No, 548 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 5: adams defense lawyer is Elin Musk's lawyer. 549 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: Oh excellent. It's important for everyone to have the same lawyers. 550 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, you got to keep up with 551 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: this season of suits or whatever. But they said, we're 552 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 5: not wrapping the charges. In fact, we don't care whether 553 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 5: the troupe, We don't know if the charges were valid, 554 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 5: and we don't care. We're going to hang them over 555 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 5: your head so that you'll cooperate with us on immigration 556 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 5: and other things like that. And they made Adams Trump's poodle. 557 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 5: And there was this deeply embarrassing thing where home and 558 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 5: the border securities or trotted Adams around on Fox and Friends. 559 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 3: Yes, we saw it. Talk about it though. 560 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 5: Was so condescending to him. Can you imagine Julianius mayor 561 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,639 Speaker 5: Michael Bloomberg or coch or any of these mayors putting 562 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 5: up with this. This is New York. And Adams giggled along. 563 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 5: And anyway, as you know, the prosecutors, including acting head 564 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 5: of the Southern District of New York Federal Prosecutors, which 565 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 5: is a very legendarily independent body, she resigned, and the 566 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 5: Thelliant prosecutors resigned and they are all died in the 567 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 5: Wold Federalist Society. Conservatives. These are not squishes, these are. 568 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: Not we're talking about to soon here, right right. 569 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 5: And she was a you know, I think she was 570 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 5: an Alito clerk or Scalia clerk. She was on the 571 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 5: fast track. It was a gutsy thing she did, because 572 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 5: she didn't just resign. She said, I was in a 573 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 5: meeting where basically the Quippro quote was arranged and you 574 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,959 Speaker 5: confiscated all our notes, and it was quite an accusation. Anyway, 575 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 5: it all went before the judge in the case, who's 576 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 5: a judge named Dale Hoe. Judge Hoe may have been 577 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 5: on your show. For all I know, he was the 578 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 5: head of the voting team at the ACLU until he 579 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 5: was on the federal bench. He's arguing a number of 580 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 5: important cases and successfully in front of the Supreme Court. 581 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 5: He heard the Justice Department and Adams's lawyers the other 582 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: day both said, oh, this was fine, there was no 583 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: corrupt deal here. So what he did on Friday was 584 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 5: he said, that's not good enough. I'm appointing a lawyer 585 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 5: to argue for why the case shouldn't be dropped, in 586 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 5: other words, to argue why this is a real problem. 587 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 5: And the lawyer he chose was a guy named Paul Clement. Now, 588 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: in the legal world, I mean I was kind of 589 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 5: looking at the news cover shouldn't It was like, you know, 590 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 5: judge orders lawyer. In the legal world, this is big news. 591 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 5: He is the leading conservative Republican litigator in front of 592 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. He is somebody who people he was 593 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 5: the Solicitor General. He is somebody who people assumed might 594 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 5: be on the Supreme Court someday. Maybe Trump isn't going 595 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 5: to be so interested in that anymore. And he's taken 596 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 5: on this job of arguing, no, you shouldn't drop the 597 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 5: case and so in the legal world, the fact that 598 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 5: it's Paul Clement, it suggests that at least some you know, 599 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 5: I think we're seeing this phenomenon where all the law breaking, 600 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 5: all the antics, all the constitutional violations, so many of 601 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 5: the people in and around government know it's bad, so 602 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 5: many of them are afraid to speak up. This prosecutor 603 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 5: was not afraid, and that Clement took this on, you know, 604 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 5: is another sign that it's only one month in, but 605 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 5: political reality has not been repealed. 606 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, the courts continue to be really the only check. 607 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: We saw a sort of situation where the courts were 608 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: providing a check on a lot of the real corrupt 609 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: stuff that this admin wants to do. What we're edging towards, 610 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: which I want you to talk us through, is a 611 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: constitutional crisis where they ignore the court or we're already 612 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: seeing shades of that. 613 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: How do we get here on? How do we get 614 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 3: out of it? 615 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 5: So the courts, many courts have stepped up. It's important 616 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 5: that we remember these are the trial judges and that 617 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 5: the higher up these cases go to the US Supreme Court. 618 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 5: We need to remember that as a very ideological, often 619 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 5: very partisan court, this is the same Supreme court that 620 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 5: gave Trump to all presents vast immunity from prosecution for lawbreaking. 621 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 5: So I think the courts are doing an important thing here. 622 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 5: We want them to do the important thing. I don't 623 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 5: think they are the only check, but I think we 624 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 5: need them to do their job, and many of them 625 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 5: have done that. The response to the rulings, and you know, 626 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 5: they've ruled that birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. They've 627 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 5: ruled that in a bunch of different cases that the 628 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 5: Elon Musk crew and you know, the in cels who 629 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,280 Speaker 5: are going in and rummaging through all these federal agencies, 630 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 5: that they can't do that, that they have to follow rules. 631 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 5: They've ruled that a number of the firings of independent 632 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 5: agency heads or of the Inspectors General and other people 633 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 5: are illegally. These are basic constitutional checks and balances or 634 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 5: laws that are being upheld. Elon Musk and JD. Vance 635 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 5: responded by saying, well, why should we have to follow 636 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 5: court orders? And that's actually something Vance has said over 637 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 5: the years. 638 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 3: The irony here is said JD. 639 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: Vans went to Yale Law school, so if he knows anything, it's. 640 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 5: That, well, maybe they teach that there. I don't know. Yeah, 641 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 5: But what's interesting is Trump felt compelled to say, oh, no, 642 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 5: of course, we're going to follow court orders. That's because 643 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 5: it really would be quite extraordinary and a constitutional crisis 644 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 5: of sorts for a president to just say, oh, I 645 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 5: don't like the court order, I'm not going to follow it. 646 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 5: Following court orders is something presidents have done for one 647 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 5: hundred and fifty years, basically since the Civil War. There's 648 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 5: a little bit of complexity here. For example, a number 649 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 5: of the courts or ordered them to not freeze all 650 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 5: the funding for this program or that program, or all 651 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 5: the federal grants or all the federal loans, and they said, oh, yeah, 652 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 5: we're following that. We're going to heel, which is what 653 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 5: you're supposed to do if you have a court ruling 654 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 5: you don't like a lot of times, the money doesn't 655 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 5: get turned back on. This bigot is non Now is 656 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 5: that a quiet contempt of the court rulings? Is it 657 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 5: that it's actually hard to turn the federal government on 658 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 5: and off like a toggle switch? We don't know. This 659 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 5: is also something that other presidents have done, sort of 660 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 5: edged around complying with these individual judges. The bigger crisis 661 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 5: would come if the Supreme Court made a ruling and 662 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 5: Trump said, the hell with you. 663 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: It's vance has been musing. I just want to drill 664 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 1: down on this for one second. Does this mean that JD. 665 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: Vans is actually kind of more anti democratic than Donald Trump? 666 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 5: At the very least plays around with authoritarian, highly right 667 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 5: wing language and ideas more than Trump has. In other words, 668 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 5: very much embracing the idea of basically, things are so 669 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 5: messed up in society, we need to be willing to 670 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 5: have dictators court. You know, we don't have to listen 671 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 5: to the corts. This is sort of an alt right 672 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 5: idea of what edgy ideas are. He's sort of dabbled 673 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 5: in that stuff even when he was just a kind 674 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 5: of punt it before he was the Cenator. Remember, he's 675 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 5: only been in office for two years, and you know, 676 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,719 Speaker 5: who knows what he really believed. This carily wasn't what 677 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 5: he was saying eight years ago when he was an 678 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 5: anti Trump writer. 679 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: Right when he was writing for The Atlantic and anti Trump. 680 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's a kind of a school of thought 681 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 5: that thinks that even originalism and a lot of these 682 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 5: other things the Federalist Society have been working on for 683 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,880 Speaker 5: years and years that that's not right wing enough, that 684 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 5: you really need a kind of Christian nationalist jurisprudence and 685 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 5: legal system that is trying to impose morality, impose a 686 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 5: certain kind of vision of morality on the whole country. 687 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 5: So we care a lot. I care a lot run 688 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 5: the Brendan Center. We care a lot about making sure 689 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 5: that the federal courts are followed. And that has been 690 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 5: really important throughout the country's history. It's how the civil 691 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 5: rights laws were enforced over very rare, calcil trend racist 692 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 5: state governments, you know, in the nineteen fifties and the 693 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 5: nineteen sixties. Presidents don't really like following these court rulings 694 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 5: very often. I mean, I work for a president in 695 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 5: some White House seats always like following those rulings by 696 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 5: any means. But they do it because they know how 697 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 5: important it is. There's a little bit of complexity. 698 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: Remember Judge Kasmeric, Yeah, Matthew Kizmerck from Texas's Amarillo. 699 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 3: It's the one judge in that district. 700 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 5: Right And there's a lot of problems in the federal 701 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 5: courts right now where basically you can find a judge 702 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 5: to agree with you. It's called, not surprisingly judge shopping 703 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 5: and if you want to bring a right wing case, 704 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 5: go to Amillo, Texas. And Judge Kasmerick, for example, was 705 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 5: the one who ruled that methapristoe, the medical abortion drug 706 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,439 Speaker 5: that has been approved by the FDA a quarter century ago, 707 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,880 Speaker 5: and it's been very successfully that they had done it 708 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 5: all wrong and that it was now illegal. And a 709 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 5: lot of us at the time said, there's a problem with, 710 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 5: as I put it at the time, a judge with 711 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 5: a gamble and a grudge, you know, making a ruling 712 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 5: like that for the whole country. And we knew then 713 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 5: that liberals do bring these cases and conservatives do too, 714 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 5: and so it's probably not a good system that one 715 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 5: judge maybe can make this kind of ruling for the 716 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 5: whole country. At least there's an argument around that. But 717 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,280 Speaker 5: what you have to do is you appeal the ruling. 718 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 5: You don't just say, oh, we're not going to do it. 719 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,920 Speaker 5: But what I want to remind my fellow liberals about, 720 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 5: we have a very big set of fights in front 721 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 5: of the Supreme Court coming up. Some of these cases 722 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 5: that are going to get there. For example, Trump on 723 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 5: the first day tried to by executive order and birthright citizenship. 724 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 3: The fourteenth Amendment. 725 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And that's the idea that if you're born 726 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 5: in the United States physically your citizen. That's literally in 727 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,919 Speaker 5: the Constitution. It's why they wrote the fourteenth was that. 728 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 5: And I think even the Supreme Court will rule Trump 729 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 5: can't do that. There are other cases coming up where 730 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 5: I think the very right wing supermajority in the Supreme 731 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 5: Court can't wait to rule with Trump. Thinking about what 732 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 5: the ability, for example, to fire independent agency commissioners, which 733 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 5: Trump is doing with a bunch of different things that 734 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 5: involves a case called Humphrey's Executor from the nineteen thirties. 735 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 5: They can't wait to overturn that. They were trying to 736 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,480 Speaker 5: overtrain that when Trump was still a liberal Democrat. I'm 737 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 5: going to the Playboy managers. They were trying to overturn that. 738 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 5: Where I think it's really important that they step up 739 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 5: and where I have a lot of nervousness about it, 740 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 5: or on some of these very basic cases having to 741 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 5: do with what the power of Congress and what Elon 742 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 5: Musk is doing. The idea that if you're going to 743 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 5: have a system of checks and balances, the idea that 744 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 5: even puts out that he's the wealthiest person in the world, 745 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 5: that one presidential aid can go in with no authorization 746 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,759 Speaker 5: from Congress and just stop the spending, shut down programs, 747 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 5: with no laws being passed. That upends the constitution that 748 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,000 Speaker 5: makes the president of king or dictator. And that's what 749 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,239 Speaker 5: a lot of these cases are about. And that's where 750 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,160 Speaker 5: a lot of cases in front of the Supreme Court 751 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 5: will be. And so I think we all need to 752 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 5: be shouting from the rooftops that they need to do 753 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 5: the right thing and do their job. I would say, 754 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 5: given the configuration of this court, it's going to be 755 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 5: case by case. 756 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 3: Yeah. 757 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: I think Komi and Roberts are not rubber stamps for 758 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: the real badg hit staff, but everything else I think 759 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 1: there's a real chance they're. 760 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 3: Able to do. 761 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. And you know, she's interesting. She didn't know that 762 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 5: much about her Let they put her in the court. 763 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,440 Speaker 3: No they didn't, Thank god. 764 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 5: She's the one with the greatest potential for cutting her 765 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 5: own intellectual path. 766 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's very smart. 767 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 5: Kavanaugh tends to follow the political needs of the party 768 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 5: that put him in power, and he's a very strong 769 00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 5: supporter of a strong presidency. Roberts, you know, a lot 770 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 5: of people said about Roberts, Oh, he's an institutionalist. He's 771 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 5: above all trying to preserve the credibility of the Supreme Court. 772 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 5: Occasionally he would make rulings where he didn't even agree 773 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 5: with really the outcome, but he knew it would be 774 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 5: really bad for the Supreme Court injecting it into politics 775 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 5: to make the rulings. But then again, he did this 776 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 5: ruling on presidential immunity that was so much worse than 777 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,959 Speaker 5: people expected, so much worse than it could have been. 778 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 5: And according to coverage by Jodi Kant and Adam Liptak 779 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,080 Speaker 5: in the New York Times, the liberals in the court said, 780 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600 Speaker 5: let's work together. We can make this the unanimous ruling 781 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,879 Speaker 5: to limit presidential prosecutions. And he said, no, I want 782 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 5: to work just for the conservatives. He can go jump 783 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 5: in a lake. And so I wouldn't assume John Roberts 784 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 5: is the John Roberts of liberals dreams. 785 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,480 Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think so either. But I do 786 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 1: think all is not lost, Like there's a lot of 787 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 1: room between. All is not lost, and this is going 788 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: to be okay, right. 789 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 5: I think the laws of political gravity have not been repealed. 790 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 5: The laws of reality have not been repealed. The impact 791 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 5: of all the craziness on the stock market, on tariffs, 792 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,479 Speaker 5: on the economy, inflation, all of those things are real. 793 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 5: And I think that these court rulings, first of all, 794 00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 5: they're very important. In twenty seventeen, it's pretty interesting. In 795 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 5: twenty seventeen, I really thought that it was the Women's 796 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 5: March that set the tone, that encouraged and empowered the 797 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 5: judges back then to stand up this time. You know, 798 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 5: you've heard so much doom and gloom and oh, there's 799 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 5: nothing anybody can do. There's nothing anybody can do. This time, 800 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 5: it's a lot of the judges who were the first 801 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:45,359 Speaker 5: ones to stand up. And three days into the term, 802 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 5: a Reagan judge judge appointed by Ronald Reagan, said about 803 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 5: the birthright citizenship thing, so this is flavorly and constitutional 804 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,919 Speaker 5: and question basically the law license of the lawyer who 805 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 5: was arguing the case in front of them. You know, 806 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 5: I think that should give the rest of us, and 807 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 5: some of the people in Congress, some of the Republicans 808 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 5: in Congress, some courage. Here. If people believe something for 809 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,719 Speaker 5: their whole lives, they don't have to chuck those views 810 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,720 Speaker 5: aside just because Donald Trump is present. 811 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Michael. 812 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 5: Thank you. Interesting times, no momentle fuck. 813 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 4: Rick Wilson, Molly jong Fast. 814 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: If you have a child with Elon Musk, do you 815 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: know how you can communicate with him? 816 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 4: There's a large audience for this. I mean, we know 817 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,600 Speaker 4: of thirteen. It could be a much larger pool of people. 818 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 4: I don't know how many it could be. But every 819 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 4: time you go out on a date with Elon ladies 820 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:45,080 Speaker 4: and he says, let's do kennymine that make a baby 821 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 4: in a laboratory, you should try to get something up 822 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 4: upfront on paper. 823 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: Again, Rick is kidding because he doesn't know what Elon does. 824 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 3: That said. 825 00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 1: I would think you could do a DM and not 826 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: an actual tweet. But it turns out that if you 827 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: have had a child with Elon Musk and you need 828 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: to get his attention, the way to do it is 829 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:10,319 Speaker 1: to tweet to him, Dear Elon, our child is dot 830 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: d dert or I'm suing you for debt because that 831 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: is really the only way to get his attention. 832 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, this week, both Grimes a baby mama of two 833 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,000 Speaker 4: of his babies, three three of his babies. Excuse me, 834 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,160 Speaker 4: Jesse and Ashley something or another. 835 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 3: Some conservative influencer. She rolled off the MAGA also a 836 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,959 Speaker 3: writer quote unquote, is. 837 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 5: She now. 838 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 4: Rolled off the MAGA influencer production line somewhere? I mean 839 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 4: the other part of this, This is the party of 840 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,760 Speaker 4: Christian Values. This is the part of the pro life party. 841 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080 Speaker 4: And you know, I'm sorry. At some point, guys, just 842 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 4: put his statue icons in your Twitter avatar of Roman 843 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,359 Speaker 4: generals does not make you a man. 844 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:53,720 Speaker 3: Speak for yourself. 845 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 4: Just being a rich dipshit elon does not make you 846 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 4: a man. Taking care of your family that would be 847 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 4: the definition of making you man. 848 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 3: Oh Man Mars, I can't get. 849 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 4: That first rocket to Mars. He is welcome to go. 850 00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,160 Speaker 4: I encourage it. Rick Wilson, my Jung Fast the pleasure 851 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 4: as always, my friend. 852 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 853 00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,760 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday to hear the best 854 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: minds and politics make sense of all this chaos. If 855 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,200 Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, please send it to a friend 856 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,280 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. 857 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening.