Speaker 1: This is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war
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Speaker 2: Today is Tuesday, March twelfth, twenty twenty four, and we
Speaker 2: are officially forty four days away from the NFL Draft
Speaker 2: in Detroit, Michigan. Time is dwindling, free agency is upon us,
Speaker 2: and teams are starting to see what their roster could
Speaker 2: look like going into the twenty twenty four NFL Draft.
Speaker 2: Welcome into the Draft Show, presented by Miller LT A
Speaker 2: taste you can depend on. We've got Nick Harris, the Great,
Speaker 2: Brian brought us, Chris Beam in the back of Kyle
Speaker 2: Yeomans small crew today. A lot of stuff going on today,
Speaker 2: a lot of free agency news, breaking news, people taking
Speaker 2: care of looking at Oh, we got a light change
Speaker 2: in here, everything around what this NFL season could look
Speaker 2: like in twenty twenty four. But Brian, right now, it's
Speaker 2: a whole lot of inaction for the Cowboys before going
Speaker 2: into draft time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's if you've been around this team enough, if
Speaker 3: you've worked for this team like you guys, do you
Speaker 3: kind of understand where they're at. You run into people
Speaker 3: in the hallways, they kind of give you a little
Speaker 3: bit of a whisper, a little heads up, like, listen,
Speaker 3: we're going to try and sign our own here. You know,
Speaker 3: we've got some contracts we've got to look at. We've
Speaker 3: going to maybe move some money around. But it's something
Speaker 3: that you kind of can you kind of expect. I
Speaker 3: know in one O, five to three, the fan that
Speaker 3: we talk about it quite a bit. It seems like
Speaker 3: a really sad day for people that follow this football team.
Speaker 3: They see other teams spending money, uh, you know, picking
Speaker 3: up players and all. But you know, this is the
Speaker 3: one thing about this team. It it has a plan
Speaker 3: for how they want to do things and how they
Speaker 3: want to operate. As much as we all hate it,
Speaker 3: you know, they they draft really really well. And we
Speaker 3: keep talking about that in a way because I know
Speaker 3: some teams in the league that have to keep spending
Speaker 3: money in free agency because they don't draft well. And
Speaker 3: that's the reason why we have a show here, you know,
Speaker 3: to talk about the draft. And but yeah, I can
Speaker 3: understand the Cowboy fans frustration. I'm gonna be honest with
Speaker 3: you, you know, I look at what the Commanders did yesterday
Speaker 3: and other other than Frankie Louvo. I'm kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what did they do? You know, they seem like they
Speaker 3: spent a lot of money. Yeah, the players, they got
Speaker 3: a lot of Dallas Cowboy guys, replaceable players, and Cowboys
Speaker 3: talked about drafting a center, you know, that's something you
Speaker 3: visit with, and they talked about moving on. They knew
Speaker 3: they had to get better there, you know the edge rushers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they know they have to probably get better there. You know,
Speaker 3: this is you know, you let guys go for a reason,
Speaker 3: and you know, the Commanders they're picking up the pieces.
Speaker 3: But like, I'm did they really get better? I think
Speaker 3: they've added some nice pieces. I wouldn't say they got great.
Speaker 3: You know, the Philadelphia Eagles adding Saquon Barkley. The only
Speaker 3: hope that you got to think about if you're you know,
Speaker 3: a Cowboy fan there is he doesn't turn into you know,
Speaker 3: McCaffrey and all of a sudden he finds his health. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, and and all of a sudden, now he's
Speaker 3: playing games at a very very high level, which he's
Speaker 3: capable of. But that's a guy that they spend a
Speaker 3: good portion of their cap on a player that has
Speaker 3: an injury history. So I know it's frustrating for Cowboy fans,
Speaker 3: and you know, focus on the draft, focus on these players,
Speaker 3: and that's what we're gonna do here this week, try
Speaker 3: and get you ready for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this draft only becomes more important.
Speaker 5: I feel like they've been saying that ever since it
Speaker 5: was ninety nine days and now what is it today,
Speaker 5: forty three.
Speaker 4: Days or whatever? Forty four? There you go.
Speaker 5: But yeah, you look at all these free agents departing.
Speaker 5: We're gonna have a fun draft show next year talking
Speaker 5: about these compics. Yeah, we're gonna have We're gonna have
Speaker 5: a really fun draft show next year.
Speaker 4: But talk about bring them in? Yeah, happen. Talking about
Speaker 4: free agency.
Speaker 5: I think it's something that's kind of popped in my
Speaker 5: mind as yesterday went on and even the morning. Are
Speaker 5: the Cowboys in a situation now where they have to
Speaker 5: trade back where they need to pick up an extra pick?
Speaker 4: I think they are.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they have to pick up an extra
Speaker 5: one at some point. Whether that's a Day two, day three,
Speaker 5: doesn't matter. I think they need an extra guy.
Speaker 3: I really like. And I talked to Dane Burglar about this,
Speaker 3: and he had a mock draft where he traded back
Speaker 3: to Buffalo and he picked up ninety nine, the third
Speaker 3: round pick, which was, you know, the end of the
Speaker 3: end of the second day.
Speaker 2: Buffalo's at twenty seven, Buffalo's at twenty Wait, twenty seven.
Speaker 3: I want to believe the twenty eight. Okay, so you
Speaker 3: go back the four spots. I'd do that, and then
Speaker 3: you pick up say you do pick up ninety nine,
Speaker 3: that pick, Yeah, you don't have a pick in the
Speaker 3: fourth round. So to me, if you could get all
Speaker 3: those picks inside the top one hundred, it kind of
Speaker 3: sets you up though that for some I think some
Speaker 3: good things as far as the way the board could
Speaker 3: shake out for you and the way the guy you know,
Speaker 3: you of who you could potentially grab, you know, because
Speaker 3: I can say I always I always love the third
Speaker 3: day of the draft. I love how, you know, after
Speaker 3: the second day you could sit there and you can
Speaker 3: look at your board and you're kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 3: you can map this thing out that maybe how you
Speaker 3: can navigate and get some guys and you know, teams
Speaker 3: that have those that have those options in the fourth round,
Speaker 3: maybe they can move around and grab a guy or
Speaker 3: two that they surely could use it. They might have
Speaker 3: had a higher grade, maybe they had a second or
Speaker 3: third round grade on a guy that's still on their
Speaker 3: board and they just didn't get to him. And so
Speaker 3: now you take the opportunity, and that started day three
Speaker 3: to grab a guy. So I'm with you, Nick on this.
Speaker 3: Anyway to navigate it to where you could grab a
Speaker 3: guy or it's going to be grab a pick, but
Speaker 3: still get the quality of the player you want, whether
Speaker 3: they a tackle, is center, you know, any one of
Speaker 3: the numerous positions that we've talked about in this period.
Speaker 2: And there's no way that happens pre draft now, right
Speaker 2: because you want to see what falls to you know,
Speaker 2: you want to see what falls to twenty four Jackson,
Speaker 2: Powers Johnson, the twenty four Marius Men's falls to two
Speaker 2: twenty four. Then you've got your at least tackle or
Speaker 2: center taken care of, which are two glaring needs at
Speaker 2: this point in time. But if let's say there are
Speaker 2: a couple names there, Graham Barton's available and Powers, Johnson's gone,
Speaker 2: Mimes is gone. Yeah, you can trade back. Pull the parachute,
Speaker 2: you go back four spots, you pick up a third round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you never want to trade away from a player
Speaker 3: that you feared that you might lose along the way.
Speaker 3: You know, if you feel like you've got the numbers
Speaker 3: at a certain position and you're comfortable, you know, I remember,
Speaker 3: you know, making a trade back. And this goes all
Speaker 3: the way back to the Roy Williams Days, the Safety
Speaker 3: from Oklahoma, where we sat in the room and Jerry
Speaker 3: Jones had Carl Peterson from Kansas City on the phone
Speaker 3: and Frank Gilliam on the phone from Minnesota at the
Speaker 3: same time, and we were trying to pick up a
Speaker 3: third round pick to move back a few spots. And
Speaker 3: you know, Jerry got Frank and both Carl to admit
Speaker 3: who they were going to take, which you never see happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, it usually tell you we're taking a defensive
Speaker 3: player here. Oh, we're taking an offensive player here. Jerry
Speaker 3: got him to admit. Jerry hung up the phone, says,
Speaker 3: they're not taking our guy. Let's just take the best
Speaker 3: deal and move back. And you know, it worked out
Speaker 3: that way, you know, forrest in that particular time. So sometimes,
Speaker 3: you you know, if if if there's a if there's
Speaker 3: a cluster of guys that you like at a position
Speaker 3: and you feel comfortable taking one of those guys, whether
Speaker 3: they're all kind of tax touching like we always talk about,
Speaker 3: by all means, move back and try and grab it.
Speaker 3: But never trade away from a guy that you know.
Speaker 3: Don't ever And Jerry said this before, you would hate
Speaker 3: to trade away from a guy. And all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: the next pick, that guy goes and now you're now
Speaker 3: you're feeling like, okay, we just got you know, we
Speaker 3: just we just did something terrible here. But if you
Speaker 3: got a cluster of guys, all those tackles, uh, maybe
Speaker 3: a couple of those centers are there, you know, maybe
Speaker 3: maybe the defensive tackles they're looking I don't know. I
Speaker 3: was talking yesterday. I found out they're going to play
Speaker 3: Mossie Smith as a one technique. You're gonna put weight
Speaker 3: back on him and play him as a one. There
Speaker 3: thought maybe, oh, he might be a three with all
Speaker 3: this weight loss and stuff. But talking to some guys
Speaker 3: here in the building, they said, no, we're gonna blame
Speaker 3: at one. So you know, maybe the defensive tackle it
Speaker 3: still might be a spot that you're needing to to
Speaker 3: look at there, especially the one technique.
Speaker 5: And I don't think there's necessarily a situation where you
Speaker 5: have to trade back in the first and still pick
Speaker 5: up a pick. Yeah, you're expecting all these compicks to
Speaker 5: come in twenty twenty five. Granted that chickens haven't hatched yet,
Speaker 5: but you're expecting to have those in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: Trade one, trade move and yeah, yeah, and get a
Speaker 5: pick this year. I think you can kind of parlay
Speaker 5: that into again getting an extra guy on Day two
Speaker 5: or Day three, probably Day three, but there's still an
Speaker 5: option for Day.
Speaker 4: Two as well.
Speaker 2: It just it puts a strain on the NFL draft
Speaker 2: whenever it comes down to And we talked about this
Speaker 2: a little bit on the last show at Talking Cowboys.
Speaker 2: There's now two glaring neats left tackle and center. Doesn't
Speaker 2: look like your left tackles returning. Your center is already
Speaker 2: signed in Washington. So offensive line, there's two open spots
Speaker 2: there that you need to taken care of. Running Back
Speaker 2: is now a huge piece with Tony Pollard now going
Speaker 2: to Tennessee out of the first day of free agency, Brian,
Speaker 2: when you look at the pieces that have left, which
Speaker 2: one affects the draft process the most, well.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny we talk about Tyron Smith and
Speaker 3: I think on a lot of people's boards that maybe
Speaker 3: Tyron Smith was the best tackle out there. He didn't
Speaker 3: go in the first day.
Speaker 4: He didn't neither did any other tackle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so now you're kind of wondering what people are
Speaker 3: thinking about these tackles. You know, is this such a
Speaker 3: is there such a depth in the draft that somebody
Speaker 3: would rather have a cheaper, younger, maybe in some cases
Speaker 3: a better tackle if you know, I mean, I know
Speaker 3: Tyron Smith. We all know who Tyron Smith is. I'm
Speaker 3: going to say this, and I know I'm kind of
Speaker 3: putting it out there. I'm not closing the door on
Speaker 3: Tyron Smith. And I'll tell you this reason why if
Speaker 3: he was going to go somewhere. To me, the Commanders
Speaker 3: made a whole lot of sense, be because dan Quinn
Speaker 3: knows what it takes to get him to the game
Speaker 3: every week. I visited with some coaches about Tyron Smith.
Speaker 3: They love the player, but they also love players that practice,
Speaker 3: you know, and you're not always willing to say, and
Speaker 3: especially with Tyron Smith going into a new system, Tyron
Speaker 3: Smith going in learning a new offense, you know, you
Speaker 3: need to practice these things and you wonder if if
Speaker 3: somebody signs Tyron Smith and they're gonna say, Okay, we're
Speaker 3: not going to practice you, We're not going to do
Speaker 3: you know, Dan Quinn's the one guy that's seen it work,
Speaker 3: and so to me that would be But the fact
Speaker 3: that these tackles haven't gone, I think that tells you
Speaker 3: a little something that people are looking at these boards
Speaker 3: and they're looking at their board, or they're coming out
Speaker 3: of the combine and they're going, man, we don't have
Speaker 3: to spend money on a tackle like this.
Speaker 4: And look at the flip side of that.
Speaker 5: Look at all the running backs that came off the
Speaker 5: board yesterday and coincide that with the running back class.
Speaker 3: That's great, that's a great point because what I think
Speaker 3: what happened with the running back class is that I know, me,
Speaker 3: I've never seen a running back free agent class historically
Speaker 3: looked like this. I felt like there was going to
Speaker 3: be a run on running backs. I didn't expect it
Speaker 3: to start like at twelve thirteen million dollars. I didn't
Speaker 3: expect that. You know, Tony Pollard, you know, getting eight
Speaker 3: million dollars. I was thinking Tony Pollard was probably going
Speaker 3: to get three to four million dollars. But to get
Speaker 3: twice that, that just shows you what you know. Josh
Speaker 3: Jacobs guys like that. They they this everybody saw running
Speaker 3: backs like, Okay, you can devalue them all you want,
Speaker 3: but when they're this good, let's.
Speaker 2: Go get one twenty four million for Pollard, twenty four
Speaker 2: over three for Deandreswift, two thirty eight million over three
Speaker 2: for Saquon Barkley, forty eight million for four years over
Speaker 2: jos for Josh Jacobs.
Speaker 3: Good play.
Speaker 2: All of these names were already expected to be free agents,
Speaker 2: and then you have Joe Mixon pop up. Then you
Speaker 2: have Aaron Jones Papa, and both of those guys are
Speaker 2: already taken care of as well.
Speaker 3: To Nick's point though, also it's about maybe about the
Speaker 3: running back class, or your point as well, call the
Speaker 3: the running back class. You know it's and I'm sure
Speaker 3: we'll get into it today. You know, there's some really
Speaker 3: good running backs in this depending on how you want
Speaker 3: to view them. There's a lot of short running backs
Speaker 3: in this thing. Yeah, a lot of five eight running backs.
Speaker 3: They're going to get the opportunity to get Draft.
Speaker 2: Five ten, five eight, five eleven, And I mean marsh
Speaker 2: On Lloyd USC five nine.
Speaker 3: I mean really good.
Speaker 2: By the way, do you do you feel like it's
Speaker 2: an indictment on the high end level of running backs
Speaker 2: in this draft. You don't have Jamier Gibbs, you don't
Speaker 2: have Jean Robinson in this draft class. You're probably gonna
Speaker 2: start your list with the Jonathan Brooks from Texas, Trey
Speaker 2: Benson for Floridas, Date Bucky Irving from Oregon, Blake rraam Michigan.
Speaker 2: Those are the guys that are going to start it.
Speaker 2: They're not high level guys. Is that why these high
Speaker 2: level running backs that are already in the league nick
Speaker 2: have taken that step and were secured pretty quickly in
Speaker 2: free agency?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it makes sense.
Speaker 5: If you're looking at a team and your you see
Speaker 5: a hole in your running back room, you go get
Speaker 5: a guy that been proven to be your RB one
Speaker 5: and go get a complimentary back in the draft that
Speaker 5: you can develop and can pick up reps while this
Speaker 5: running back one that you just signed picks up more
Speaker 5: opportunity and then by the time he's ready to exit
Speaker 5: the league, then you have a guy who has three
Speaker 5: years of experience coming out of the draft. In a
Speaker 5: second or third round situation, and then they're they're more
Speaker 5: prime for that opportunity. That's kind of the situation with
Speaker 5: the Cowboys, right you look at free agency. Granted, let's
Speaker 5: pretend here for a minute that the Cowboys have a
Speaker 5: little bit more money. Let's say they end up getting
Speaker 5: the Zach Moss yesterday, so they're able to get the
Speaker 5: Zach Moss and bring in let's say, I don't know
Speaker 5: a Braylan Allen, and they can work those two guys
Speaker 5: with each other by the time Zach Moss is done
Speaker 5: with his two or three year deal. Again, theorizing here,
Speaker 5: Braylan Allen's ready to take that step and be that
Speaker 5: guy because you've developed him under that system for so long,
Speaker 5: and then you can kind of work him around a
Speaker 5: small back. So it just makes sense for why the
Speaker 5: running back market played out the way that it did
Speaker 5: yesterday when you look at what you're dealing with in
Speaker 5: the draft here. And I think another interesting part of
Speaker 5: this whole entire thing too, for the Cowboys perspective, is
Speaker 5: where does Jonathan Brooks fit within this? Because if Jonathan
Speaker 5: Brooks is their guy and that's their target, they have
Speaker 5: to be able to be okay with the fact that
Speaker 5: he might not be one hundred percent until October, and
Speaker 5: so what do you do with that?
Speaker 4: In free agency?
Speaker 5: Do you go do you just kind of let everything
Speaker 5: fall by the wayside and you end up with Rego
Speaker 5: Dawbdell starting week one. I mean, Jonathan brook is probably
Speaker 5: ready by week one. I mean everything that we've heard
Speaker 5: is that he'll be ready by training camp. But as
Speaker 5: far as being full speed, being ready to go.
Speaker 3: Right, we've seen this before with the knee injuries with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so's it's what how do you kind of play
Speaker 5: with that? And so if you don't have a guy
Speaker 5: that you feel comfortable with coming out of free agency,
Speaker 5: a guy like Jonathan Brooks is probably off the board.
Speaker 5: So you're looking at a guy that can come in
Speaker 5: contribute day one. I'll tell you what, there's gonna be
Speaker 5: a day tw running back. It's gonna be very happy
Speaker 5: to wear the star on his helmet going in the
Speaker 5: training camp because he's gonna have a huge opportunity in
Speaker 5: front of him. I think a guy's really gonna be
Speaker 5: able to hit on that.
Speaker 2: Kind of along those same lines, you're talking about pairing
Speaker 2: a veteran with a rookie with a draft pick who
Speaker 2: Let's say there is no veteran. Let's say they come
Speaker 2: up empty, which I don't believe. I think they're going
Speaker 2: to add somebody at some point. Whether it's doubtell when
Speaker 2: they bring him back or they have Deuce Fin, they
Speaker 2: have Blank Davis in the room. Which running back in
Speaker 2: this draft class? Do you feel like would be best
Speaker 2: suited to carry a RB one workload going into your
Speaker 2: number one with the Dallas Cowboys Braylean Allen.
Speaker 5: I love Braylan Allen. I think it's a good fit
Speaker 5: for the Cowboys. Is he the best fit? Probably not.
Speaker 4: You did ask for the best fit.
Speaker 3: Didn't you.
Speaker 2: I did ask for bestfit.
Speaker 4: I just love what Braylen Allen brings.
Speaker 5: Though he has the size, he has the ability to
Speaker 5: get those yards that you couldn't get to the short
Speaker 5: yardage situations. He is what you have not had. Bring
Speaker 5: him in and see what he can bring to the offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would. I would lean towards if you the
Speaker 3: first one off my board to get do something like that.
Speaker 3: I'd love to have Brooks, But the injury concerned, I
Speaker 3: think is warned. Trey Benson to me is a guy
Speaker 3: that I would absolutely feel like that. You know, it's
Speaker 3: six foot two hundred and sixteen pounds. I feel like
Speaker 3: that could be in every down back. I think he
Speaker 3: can handle the workload, you know, quite well. The physicality
Speaker 3: that he plays with the way he catches the football,
Speaker 3: the way he runs, his running style and all that,
Speaker 3: I just feel like, to me, that's the guy that
Speaker 3: you just you put back there, you plug him in,
Speaker 3: and you just go to work. I'm going to say this.
Speaker 3: Marshawan Lloyd from USC is another.
Speaker 2: Guy that I really really like.
Speaker 3: And I didn't and I'm sorry but I'm late to
Speaker 3: the party on him. But this kid transferred from South Carolina.
Speaker 3: He tore his ACL in twenty twenty. But you know
Speaker 3: he you know, he's kind of when you watch him
Speaker 3: play at USC, this guy's an explosive player and he
Speaker 3: catches the ball well. He makes people miss. I feel
Speaker 3: like he's got the toughness to be in every down
Speaker 3: player for you. And so he's on those guys gets
Speaker 3: score anywhere on the field. So there's a couple of
Speaker 3: guys that I would look at. I like what Nick's
Speaker 3: talking about with Alan. I think there's some straight line
Speaker 3: to his game. But I think he really really tough.
Speaker 3: Just keep handing him the ball and you know he's
Speaker 3: going to he's going to make positive plays there. But man,
Speaker 3: I was looking for somebody a little bit more explosive,
Speaker 3: and Marshawn Lloyd was that guy for me.
Speaker 2: I really like Lloyd as well because he's very laterally quick.
Speaker 2: He's got that lateral quickness to him. I don't think
Speaker 2: he has a ton of vision. He's a patient runner, right,
Speaker 2: but I think it's mostly because he's waiting for the
Speaker 2: hole to come to him before actually really diving into
Speaker 2: the lion of scrimmage. I really like his pass protection
Speaker 2: ability as well, and you're missing that element now with
Speaker 2: Tony Pollard and of course Ezekiel.
Speaker 3: Tony got better at it because there was some questions
Speaker 3: about you know, Zeke was one of the few guys
Speaker 3: that came in and immediately picked it up. He was elite, yeah,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, then you know, Tony
Speaker 3: had to kind of learn how to. I think skip
Speaker 3: Pete along the way really helped him and he developed
Speaker 3: some toughness and he was good with the pickup. He
Speaker 3: was very aware and that's something you have to have
Speaker 3: with these backs.
Speaker 2: On the other side, You've talked about Trey Benson a
Speaker 2: little bit. He's my RB two right now. He's the
Speaker 2: second running back in the class behind Jonathan Brooks. Brooks's
Speaker 2: injury does concern me, right, but he's so explosive when
Speaker 2: he is healthy. I think he is still the best
Speaker 2: running back in the class. The thing about Benson, he's
Speaker 2: got straight line speed, but he also runs through contact. Yeah,
Speaker 2: some physicality to his game. Not necessarily going to be
Speaker 2: a huge piece of the passing game. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's a great route runner. But one he does do
Speaker 2: well is he stands at six foot one and he
Speaker 2: has some speed and a full head of steam to
Speaker 2: put behind two hundred and twenty three pounds. I will
Speaker 2: take that all day, every day. If he's durable, if
Speaker 2: he's a playmaker, he can take the full workload of
Speaker 2: an RB one and year number one. Give me that
Speaker 2: all day.
Speaker 3: He punishes guys, there's no question about that. I was
Speaker 3: amazed how fast he can get going in the open field.
Speaker 3: That's something I was I was kind of not expecting
Speaker 3: that with him. But you watch him run, he can
Speaker 3: put pick him up, put him down the open field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think there's a handful of running backs that
Speaker 5: you would be okay with walking through this door, probably
Speaker 5: five or six that you know if the Cowboys ended
Speaker 5: up pulling. On day two, let's talking about Yeah, let's
Speaker 5: go ahead. I talked about Jonathan Brooks. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 5: him out of this equation just because you need a
Speaker 5: guy that can contribute immediately. Sure, I'm gonna throw in
Speaker 5: Trey Benson, Bucky Irving, Braylen, Allen uh Man talking about
Speaker 5: being late to the party, Zach with Jalen Wright.
Speaker 4: I'm with him.
Speaker 5: I'm with him on Jalen Wright, Marshawn Lloyd, and I
Speaker 5: I love Blake Korum. I understand the size concerns and everything,
Speaker 5: but that's a guy who's been productive. He's a bruiser
Speaker 5: despite being five foot eight. I think he would be
Speaker 5: just fine in this building. Those are probably my six.
Speaker 5: And then I've talked about Isaiah Davis on Day three
Speaker 5: a lot. I still really love what he brings. I
Speaker 5: think he's gonna make a day three pick look really smart.
Speaker 2: I so, I'm shocked that you didn't say Bucky Irving.
Speaker 4: I did say more weird?
Speaker 2: Oh you did? Oh sorry, I must have missed it
Speaker 2: uh audric estimate Notre Dame. We've talked about him a
Speaker 2: couple times before. I think he's a good runner.
Speaker 3: I don't, Davis, I'm not okay with him too. I
Speaker 3: agree on that. You don't guess, no, I don't.
Speaker 2: Why not.
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of his I don't. To me,
Speaker 3: I just don't see I see a guy that has power,
Speaker 3: but I don't see any speed. And you saw that
Speaker 3: at the combine with his time, he you know.
Speaker 2: Seven to one.
Speaker 3: That was one of the times when you're like thinking, okay,
Speaker 3: he's in the blocks, you watch him take off and
Speaker 3: then he ran the time he did. I'm like, that
Speaker 3: makes sense. That makes sense to me. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just I don't mean. One of my lines was I
Speaker 3: don't see great long speed. I'll see him finish some runs.
Speaker 3: I'll see him finish forward, I see him get positive yards.
Speaker 3: I thought he was really straight line in the way.
Speaker 3: I didn't think there was a lot of lateral agility
Speaker 3: with his running. I thought it was that short, choppy
Speaker 3: kind of steps. And I don't think he has much
Speaker 3: quickness as a runner. And I worry about people getting
Speaker 3: like all of a sudden if it's not blocked. Well,
Speaker 3: can he escape? Can he create? I don't see it
Speaker 3: with him at all.
Speaker 4: He's a jag for me, just a guy, just a
Speaker 4: gas guy.
Speaker 2: So where do you take him if if you're let's
Speaker 2: say you miss it out on running backs late, do
Speaker 2: you take him at all?
Speaker 5: I have I have a fourth on him. Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: exactly what I'm saying. Yeah, I have a fourth on him.
Speaker 5: I think if he's sitting there in the I like
Speaker 5: Isaiah Davis more than more than really, I really enjoy
Speaker 5: Isaiah Davis. Man, I'm going to continue to hammer that
Speaker 5: one home.
Speaker 2: I think he's a fun Day three guy. I'm not
Speaker 2: like the two of the Isaiah Davis hype.
Speaker 4: Don't worry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's anybody like Will Shipley from Clemson. Yes, I mean,
Speaker 3: is there anything limited? Limited?
Speaker 5: I think, And I think his ceiling is going to
Speaker 5: be very low here. But I think you understand what
Speaker 5: you're getting whenever you pick him. But that's a guy
Speaker 5: I think you bring in with a running back room
Speaker 5: that already has a Barkley or already has a I can't.
Speaker 3: I think I think this guy could be kind of
Speaker 3: a mismatch player as a receiver and I'm not talking
Speaker 3: about put him out. Why Yeah, but you know there's
Speaker 3: there you watch it. He's had a ton of carries.
Speaker 3: He has Clemson just they play old school football on
Speaker 3: a phone booth there and they hand the ball to him.
Speaker 3: And but there is some quickness to the game and
Speaker 3: he kind of makes something out of nothing every once
Speaker 3: in a while. And that's where when you see him
Speaker 3: in space, the quickness to make tacklers miss on the move.
Speaker 3: I love the way he catches the ball. I didn't
Speaker 3: think he could run away for many defenders, but but
Speaker 3: there is times where you see him be able to
Speaker 3: separate and finish in that regard. So if you were looking,
Speaker 3: you know, like day three, I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: though that this guy is going to He's got the
Speaker 3: frame to get tough yards and he's going to catch
Speaker 3: the football and I think he's going to make plays
Speaker 3: in the passing game that way. So that's why I
Speaker 3: kind of I think you're going to have to have
Speaker 3: another back with him. This guy's got the ability to
Speaker 3: make some plays. So I kind of like that about him.
Speaker 2: I had a high fifth on him for much of
Speaker 2: the same reasons. I think he's going to be a
Speaker 2: value pick in Day three. Just a guy that you
Speaker 2: can bring in and he's going to contribute, make a roster,
Speaker 2: and continue to give you some versatility as a backup.
Speaker 2: Maybe not a featured back, but there's a couple guys
Speaker 2: like that we're talking about when it comes to the Cowboys. Yes,
Speaker 2: you want to find somebody that can create, but there
Speaker 2: are a lot of really good complimentary backs in this
Speaker 2: draft too. I think you can go up and down
Speaker 2: the list of Frank Gore Junior from Southern miss as
Speaker 2: somebody we haven't talked about a whole lot. Cody Schrader
Speaker 2: from Missouri. I think that's what I tried to.
Speaker 3: Bring I tried to bring him up and then yeah,
Speaker 3: and he ran like four six, But he plays faster
Speaker 3: than that. You watch. You watch him. They hand the
Speaker 3: ball to him in Missouri does a good job offensively
Speaker 3: with their scheme. But man, he is He is running
Speaker 3: through arm tackles, he's finishing runs. He could catch the football.
Speaker 3: I think there's an element of toughness to his game,
Speaker 3: the way he finishes runs. I was I was trying
Speaker 3: to kind of bring him up earlier, and you guys
Speaker 3: give me the crickets on that one. But maybe.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of out on Trader. He the only thing
Speaker 4: that I don't I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna counter with you because I'm out of Blake Korum.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's let's go ask this is a battle I
Speaker 5: think here with Cody Schrader. I think he's really stiff.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's stiff as a board. It's it. It
Speaker 5: worries me where he can bring athleticism to the next level.
Speaker 5: And I think you know there's it's a great story
Speaker 5: former walk on at Missouri being tell.
Speaker 3: Me the great story about the guy, which is what
Speaker 3: this is known.
Speaker 5: As exactly because he's a complimentary back. Okay, but I
Speaker 5: think I put a fifth round on him. I'm not
Speaker 5: huge on Cody Schrader. I think he has some flashes
Speaker 5: at Missouri.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: I think he had an awesome offensive line in front
Speaker 5: of him as well. I'm I'm I'm not sold on
Speaker 5: Cody Trader. I think you can get more athletic guys
Speaker 5: even day three.
Speaker 3: Oh No, I think you got him in the right round.
Speaker 3: I just think you're not expecting him right.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought whenever you were saying I'm out
Speaker 2: on him seven.
Speaker 4: I mean, there are guys who want to take him
Speaker 4: second second day. I mean people in the.
Speaker 3: Draft community like that's the third round.
Speaker 2: I'm not there, no fifth round pick. I think is
Speaker 2: fair for that?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah to.
Speaker 5: Me, like we're more on the same page than I thought,
Speaker 5: even if he is there in the fifth round. I
Speaker 5: like Isaac Garrindo more. I like talking about talk.
Speaker 3: About Grindo then, because I'm with you on this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's talk about a speed first. He won
Speaker 5: four state championships in the state of Indiana and running
Speaker 5: back they had Yeah in high school. He ran a
Speaker 5: ten to five to one in high school one hundred meter,
Speaker 5: which is blazing especially for his size.
Speaker 4: Really productive at Louisville.
Speaker 5: In his one year after transferring in from Washington or
Speaker 5: excuse Wisconsin, where he had a lot of production there
Speaker 5: in four years. Initially I thought he was more of
Speaker 5: a complimentary guy. Yeah, but I think I think there's
Speaker 5: some ability for him to be a feature back when
Speaker 5: you look at his speed, what he can do in
Speaker 5: the receiving game. He has sneaky downhill short yardage ability.
Speaker 5: You're not despite that size, he has a knack for
Speaker 5: being able.
Speaker 4: To pick up those hard earned yards. The one thing
Speaker 4: that worries me.
Speaker 5: Is his injury history, hamstring injury list, frank injury but
Speaker 5: six foot one, two hundred and twenty five pounds. I
Speaker 5: think he can take those hits if he can stay healthy.
Speaker 5: I think he's going to be a really good back there.
Speaker 3: On day three, man Nick had a good day on
Speaker 3: one back, and he's just doing Blake Korum and all
Speaker 3: these other backs in the He got this, got this
Speaker 3: one right. He got this guy right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's your brief with Blake Korm?
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what though. To me with with Blake,
Speaker 3: I think he's going to have to I can't. I
Speaker 3: don't see him as a as a featured guy. And
Speaker 3: I know a Michigan I know what he did again
Speaker 3: the five eight. You know, I kind of see what
Speaker 3: and I know I'm kind of speaking out of both
Speaker 3: sides of my mouth on that one though. But man,
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of carries. I don't see that
Speaker 3: burst and speed and that with this guy. I worry
Speaker 3: about him just getting and completely wore down, trying to
Speaker 3: run inside, trying to run inside, trying to run I don't,
Speaker 3: you know, and I don't know if he doesn't have that,
Speaker 3: you know that I think there's ways that you could
Speaker 3: see him run the ball and he'll throw off the
Speaker 3: fenders by his running style. But man, I just worry about,
Speaker 3: you know, how much yards can he really really create
Speaker 3: on his own? That's my biggest concern with him. I
Speaker 3: think he's got some quickness. I do think he's got
Speaker 3: some ability to make those jump cuts, power in the
Speaker 3: red zone, short yarded stuff, But I just worry about
Speaker 3: how many carries he's taken and at his size, at
Speaker 3: his height, put it that way, you know that that
Speaker 3: would not I just didn't see him as a featured guy,
Speaker 3: but I could see if you split him with somebody.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're right, he could be productive in
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 5: He's going to take some hits because he's a good
Speaker 5: pass protector too. Yeah, so he's going to take some
Speaker 5: hits in the past game as well.
Speaker 3: But I still like a fire hydrant. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: he really is.
Speaker 5: There's I think there's an opportunity for him to be
Speaker 5: able to be reliable downhill. But how that's a good
Speaker 5: point over a seventeen game season. How much can you
Speaker 5: take there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think something very fun about him. We were able
Speaker 5: to get an interview with him a few weeks ago
Speaker 5: when he was here for the Jason Whitten Award ceremony.
Speaker 5: You know who his favorite running back was growing up,
Speaker 5: Marion Barber.
Speaker 3: Oh geez, another big ten guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, So you can kind of see that a little.
Speaker 5: Bit with him because I got a little ton of
Speaker 5: a barbarians a little bit. Yeah, but I think he
Speaker 5: could be a power runner despite his size. But I
Speaker 5: think it's a very good point that you bring up
Speaker 5: how much of that can he take? Because you look
Speaker 5: at I've compared him so much to Kien Williams over
Speaker 5: the course of this draft process, and you see what
Speaker 5: Kyen Williams had to deal with last year with injury,
Speaker 5: and he was on the ir there for a little bit,
Speaker 5: still was able to make an All Rookie team. But
Speaker 5: you have to factor that in whenever you're looking at
Speaker 5: a guy that's five foot eight, because how many five
Speaker 5: foot eight guys are taking those hits year after year
Speaker 5: after year.
Speaker 3: These five eight guys were trying to evaluate and like
Speaker 3: I say, Quorum, Ray Davis, yep, you know are usc
Speaker 3: running back. I mean, if you gave me a choice
Speaker 3: of the shorter running back kind of guy, I'm taking
Speaker 3: our guy at USC. I'm just Marshon Lloyd. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: just you know, I'm kind of They're all like in
Speaker 3: that two hundred and ten to two hundred and twenty
Speaker 3: pound range, and they're all really good backs. But I
Speaker 3: just I worry, I just I need. I just think
Speaker 3: in this day and age, you have to be able
Speaker 3: to consistently make people miss. And I wonder with Blake
Speaker 3: korm has he had so many carries? Can he make
Speaker 3: people always miss?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: It's it's interesting because you brought this up in the
Speaker 2: in the either or the would you Rather?
Speaker 3: Would you rather?
Speaker 2: Last week it was it was Koram versus Ray Davis.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went back and looked at it and it's these
Speaker 2: two guys are at the top of the list. So
Speaker 2: it's not like it's a huge discrepancy. Ray Davis had
Speaker 2: six hundred more colleagues.
Speaker 3: There's no carry. I mean, there's no no, I mean no, no. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're right, you're absolutely right. See that's the thing about
Speaker 3: it is those guys when you start to talk about yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean when you and you're that you're that high,
Speaker 3: can how much more can you take? And there's some
Speaker 3: people that will tell you Brian, take a running back.
Speaker 3: It's gonna sound terrible. Take a running back, use him
Speaker 3: up and get another one. Yeah, you know, And there's
Speaker 3: people that subscribe to that subscribe to that theory. So
Speaker 3: I I could see I could see Blake Korm going somewhere.
Speaker 3: I could see him being super productive. I could see
Speaker 3: him well circling back of the Draft show and you know,
Speaker 3: and me going to Nick, Hey, you're right about that guy.
Speaker 3: And then you know, we do another Draft show two
Speaker 3: years from now, and like, well, they're replacing Blake Korum here. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, but that's how it goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it goes. But either way, we started
Speaker 2: this conversation talking about cowboys running back fits. You need
Speaker 2: somebody that can create they. I don't think Davis or
Speaker 2: Koram are in that.
Speaker 3: List now for me. For me, I mean, I think
Speaker 3: Nick has a different opinion of Korum than I do,
Speaker 3: which is cool. I mean, I think there's something okay there,
Speaker 3: you go. See, there's I just worry I just worry about.
Speaker 3: Like I say, I look at I look at Lloyd,
Speaker 3: and I see that, you know, I see that darting
Speaker 3: around and stuff like that, and his ability. But like
Speaker 3: I said, I just this is, this is I think
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have got some choices here, and you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm not disappointed in the choices they have. And we
Speaker 3: didn't even bring up Dylan Johnson from Washington. Now I's
Speaker 3: dealing with a foot injury and all that. And me
Speaker 3: he ran at the combine. He didn't run a great time,
Speaker 3: but you watch him the last three seasons, so at
Speaker 3: you know, chief transfers from Mississippi State, Washington. This guy
Speaker 3: he's got some he's got some ability to him as well.
Speaker 3: I mean he's he's I think he's elusive enough, but
Speaker 3: I wouldn't call it his overall straight. But there's some quality.
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Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show.
Speaker 2: Back here on the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show,
Speaker 2: Nick Harris Brian brought us some Kyle yeomens. It's time
Speaker 2: now for Chris Beam to hit the button because it's
Speaker 2: Twitter on twenty There are a lot of great questions today.
Speaker 2: Cowboys Nation is frustrated, no doubt about it, the inaction
Speaker 2: and day one of the legally tampering or legal tampering
Speaker 2: period in the NFL. Garrett wants to ask what would
Speaker 2: the Cowboys' best option be at center if they don't
Speaker 2: end up getting lucky and drafting at Jackson Powers Johnson
Speaker 2: getting a center on day two, or trying to sift
Speaker 2: through the free agency market and find a center from there.
Speaker 2: I'll let Nick Harris start this one out.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll give you three options there.
Speaker 5: If Jackson Powers Johnson is not available there at twenty four,
Speaker 5: which I do not expect him to be, you have
Speaker 5: the option of taking Graham Barton, And that's a situation
Speaker 5: where you could probably trade back a few spots and
Speaker 5: still pick up Graham Barton there at twenty seven.
Speaker 4: Twenty eight or whatever.
Speaker 2: Pick up that ninety ninth pick Brian was there, you go.
Speaker 5: And if if Graham Barton's not there in the first round,
Speaker 5: then you have potentially Zach Fraser there at fifty six.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's there at fifty six.
Speaker 3: Would that be another trade back situation for you, though.
Speaker 4: It could be.
Speaker 5: I think you'd still be swinging on him a little early.
Speaker 5: But I mean, if you're here, if you're there to
Speaker 5: pick up an extra pick and you're comfortable, Zach Fraser,
Speaker 5: do it. I'm a firm believer. And if you like
Speaker 5: the player, take him.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 2: It brings toughness.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And if you don't end up with any three of
Speaker 5: those guys somehow, if they fall through your fall through
Speaker 5: your hands, or you're going for the tackle in the
Speaker 5: first round. Dallas has shown a lot of interest in
Speaker 5: Cedric van Prand Granger out of Georgia. So that's a
Speaker 5: guy you could probably look at there in the third round.
Speaker 5: You talk about instincts IQ physicality, I think that you
Speaker 5: get that with Cedric van Pram Granger. The thing that
Speaker 5: you're going to be worried about early on. He's still
Speaker 5: very raw. He's a developmental project.
Speaker 3: I think two hundred ninety eight pounds, right, is any
Speaker 3: weighed at the combine?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So starting him early on, you're really going to
Speaker 5: be able to You're gonna have to put some weight
Speaker 5: on him.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to throw some technique with him a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 5: You He might struggle year one, but I think down
Speaker 5: the line he could, uh, he could be a better
Speaker 5: player for you.
Speaker 3: I like Limber from Arkansas, Yeah, would be another guy.
Speaker 3: And we talked about Bordolini as well from Wisconsin. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like though that there's options second
Speaker 3: round options potentially the Van Pram and the third uh,
Speaker 3: you know, Limber, Bordeline. I kind of see them as
Speaker 3: fourth round guys. So I think that you can you
Speaker 3: can grab one of these sinners. This this is not
Speaker 3: a bad crew. And I haven't looked at the Penn
Speaker 3: State kid yet.
Speaker 4: Hunter Nors I was just about to bring him up
Speaker 4: before you got done the.
Speaker 3: Okay, is he going to be better than Van Pram
Speaker 3: in the third? Is he going to be better than Limber?
Speaker 3: Do you have a I mean, if you had to.
Speaker 5: So he's going day three, okay, and in which case,
Speaker 5: if you can, if he's there in the fifth or he's.
Speaker 3: There, Okay, so he's that type of player, then.
Speaker 5: I think, I think you're gonna get an opportunity to
Speaker 5: be able to hit on on nors Ed.
Speaker 4: Okay, I really liked him at the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 3: There's there's there's like two or three other centers that
Speaker 3: I need to look at. And it's the same thing
Speaker 3: when I did with Lloyd very late to the party here,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I'm like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: I like Lloyd better than you know, some other guys
Speaker 3: that I kind of had there in that that third
Speaker 3: round area. So yeah, center's available throughout.
Speaker 2: Kind of along the same lines, Alex asked the question,
Speaker 2: with the amount of offensive lineman signing so quickly in
Speaker 2: this tampering period or agreeing terms so quickly, does that
Speaker 2: help Dallas have one of those tackles or one of
Speaker 2: the offensive linemen like a Jackson powers Johnson possibly slide
Speaker 2: to twenty four that would have gone higher to some
Speaker 2: of these teams ahead of the pack.
Speaker 3: The one, the one that was me, for instance, was
Speaker 3: the center. I think the Dolphins signed a center that
Speaker 3: made you know or you know that that to me
Speaker 3: was kind of one of those like, okay, that knocked
Speaker 3: them out. You know, now Aaron.
Speaker 2: Brewer, they signed it for three years, twenty one mill Philly.
Speaker 3: Now Philly's got to sign Philly. Might Plug could play
Speaker 3: one of their current guys. I think that would take
Speaker 3: him out of the market. Pittsburgh, right, another team that
Speaker 3: could potentially use a center. So yeah, I'm I'm yeah,
Speaker 3: let all these teams grab centers and let me have
Speaker 3: a crack at one of these other guys if I can. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I kind of make the joke yesterday on Twitter, but
Speaker 5: jokes don't really hit on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a good time to joke or whatever Twitter.
Speaker 5: But I made the joke. I was like, oh, Miami
Speaker 5: got their center. That's one less team that's going to
Speaker 5: be picking in front of the Cowboys that could take
Speaker 5: Jackson power Johnson. That's the best news all day. And
Speaker 5: everyone was like, oh, you're stupid. He's still gonna get
Speaker 5: drafted by Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: There all right, man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I tweeted out today. I was like, let's talk
Speaker 2: about the action and in action about the Cowboys free agency,
Speaker 2: which is a fact. It's been action and in action.
Speaker 2: They're like, well, what action have they take? I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's that's part of the book of the Draft show.
Speaker 2: That's how it goes. All right, let's go down to
Speaker 2: Cam says he wants to give get your opinion on
Speaker 2: two scenarios. Option A, and we kind of talked about
Speaker 2: this a little bit. Trade back with Kansas City. The
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs thirty two overall after winning the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl yet again. Yep, they give you thirty two ninety
Speaker 2: five and one thirty two for pick twenty four. So
Speaker 2: you pick up two extra picks, yes, a third round
Speaker 2: pick and a fourth round pick, and you draft either
Speaker 2: Zach Frasier West Virginia or Morgan the offensive tackle from Arizona,
Speaker 2: and go from there.
Speaker 5: The offensive guard from Arizona. Go ahead, well, is that
Speaker 5: the offensive guard.
Speaker 3: From Arizona's playing with guard?
Speaker 2: You think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. His arms are too short, Warriors,
Speaker 4: miilli is.
Speaker 2: Pretty short or his arms are short. Option B. Draft
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle Fatanu at twenty four, who falls in
Speaker 2: a bit of a scenario linebacker Junior Colston out of
Speaker 2: Michigan at fifty six, and you take Jalen Right out
Speaker 2: of Tennessee at eighty seven. You stay put, but you
Speaker 2: have three scenarios where guys fall to you that probably
Speaker 2: shouldn't be there.
Speaker 3: I don't think right gets to you at eighty seven.
Speaker 2: That's part of the scenario here. This is a this
Speaker 2: is a lucky scenario, or you're picking up draft capital.
Speaker 4: I'm taking that first one. I'm taking that first scenario.
Speaker 5: I'm drafting Zach Fraser there at thirty two and picking
Speaker 5: up two extra picks on day two. Yeah, I'm taking that,
Speaker 5: and you can you can work those picks around and
Speaker 5: still probably end up with a junior Colson or a
Speaker 5: Jalen Ryder or whatever because you have those two extra picks.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm taking that ten times out of ten, especially
Speaker 5: given this free agency outplay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you got see what would what would the
Speaker 3: hall on it?
Speaker 2: By the way, I got ninety five, I gotta scroll
Speaker 2: back up to Yeah, okay, and you keep thirty two
Speaker 2: and you draft either Morgan or Fraser.
Speaker 3: I wonder if we did the math on that how
Speaker 3: that works. Sometimes if it's like a massive overpay that
Speaker 3: teams wouldn't consider it, you know, but I would be
Speaker 3: interested to see. I need to pull out my chart
Speaker 3: and do that one to see if if that's a
Speaker 3: massive overpay for for Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I'll bring up the chart.
Speaker 3: Bring it up until give me the numbers on it.
Speaker 4: Me why you're doing that.
Speaker 5: Derek Henry has signed with the Baltimore Ravens, So thats
Speaker 5: another one off the board.
Speaker 3: Not that he was going to end up in the Cowboy,
Speaker 3: now that was it. They offered him like nine million dollars.
Speaker 3: I think that was what that was going to be.
Speaker 3: So you have it. You have a somewhat of a
Speaker 3: chart that we can so as you're looking at.
Speaker 2: It, seven hundred and forty is what twenty four is worth?
Speaker 3: Okay? So so it's.
Speaker 2: Seven forty Yep, they gave you one twenty with the
Speaker 2: pick number ninety five.
Speaker 3: What's what's the difference between twenty four and thirty two? Uh?
Speaker 2: That is I'm bad at quick math. One hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty points, so they got to make up one hundred
Speaker 2: and they've got to make up one hundred fifty points.
Speaker 3: Okay, give me the price for pick ninety five, please
Speaker 3: one Okay, give me the price for that one thirty.
Speaker 3: Whatever you were doing with it will be.
Speaker 2: The early fifth round forty So it's one sixty. So
Speaker 2: they're they're overpaying, like a tiny.
Speaker 9: Bit, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, now it's one sixty in.
Speaker 2: Your you're making up from one to fifty.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll give one of those fifth round compics next year.
Speaker 3: I don't know, No, I think to me, okay, now
Speaker 3: that makes sense. Now that's a little bit of an
Speaker 3: over that's it's a little bit of overpaid. But it's
Speaker 3: not it's something it's the price of price of doing business.
Speaker 3: So but what you got to think about though, too.
Speaker 3: And you know, and that's okay because again that that
Speaker 3: that pick ninety five that ends, that's right at the
Speaker 3: end of day the day of day two. And so
Speaker 3: now you're you're in that situation where you know, you uh,
Speaker 3: you're kind of like, okay, we can sleep on our board.
Speaker 3: Now we come back around and you know, we've got
Speaker 3: Kansas's pick again at what one thirty two? Is what
Speaker 3: you said, I'm all about this that if that's if
Speaker 3: that's if that's what you want to do, then then
Speaker 3: that's that seems like to me a very reasonable trade
Speaker 3: to make. If you, in fact, you want to move
Speaker 3: back to thirty to thirty two and you have one
Speaker 3: of these centers of mine or your guard, hey, would
Speaker 3: you guys consider drafting JC Latham from Alabama and make
Speaker 3: and making them a guard.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's an interesting one.
Speaker 3: I mean, and if you drafted him, because again I
Speaker 3: was talking to some guys around the league. They don't
Speaker 3: think he could be a left tackle, but they feel
Speaker 3: like that he could be an all pro guard. So
Speaker 3: would you draft him, put him in that spot left
Speaker 3: guard and kick Tyler Smith?
Speaker 5: And you know what I'm going to say here, I
Speaker 5: think with Jason, if you're looking at JC Latham and
Speaker 5: Tyler Smith under that same umbrella, I think you see
Speaker 5: better potential for JC Latham at tackle and Tyler Smith
Speaker 5: there at guard.
Speaker 4: But I think if you.
Speaker 5: Were in any other franchise you had a hole there
Speaker 5: at guard that you needed to fill. That makes sense
Speaker 5: for JAC Latham, I think because he has that short,
Speaker 5: quick physicality and quick punch right there. I did note
Speaker 5: that with him, I think he can take on some bigger,
Speaker 5: wider guys as well.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I want to backtrack the way you just said, so
Speaker 2: you said Tyler Smith doesn't have the same ceiling that
Speaker 2: Jac Latham has in that in those respected positions of tackle.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like Tyler Smith can't play tackle?
Speaker 4: No at all?
Speaker 2: Maybe I can't play tackle, but you feel like he's
Speaker 2: better suited at guard.
Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, okay, absolutely.
Speaker 3: So taking there by the way, they're green with you
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: With with taking Arizona's Morgan, like you talked about putting
Speaker 2: him at guard, doesn't.
Speaker 4: I'm not taking him, Yeah, Unfortunately you would rather.
Speaker 2: Take a funny tackle and put him to the left.
Speaker 5: And Tielich we talked on the first episode here after
Speaker 5: the combine, Hey, who are you taking a twenty four?
Speaker 5: And I said Jordan Morgan, And like the next day
Speaker 5: I immediately regretted it because I started looking more Jordan Morgan,
Speaker 5: started focusing in on him a little bit more because
Speaker 5: I was like, man, this guy makes sense. And the
Speaker 5: more I watch and the more I go back, this
Speaker 5: guy's guard. So I don't think that would be I
Speaker 5: don't think.
Speaker 3: Man, I think I do. I think for I think
Speaker 3: he can play tackle. I just do I see like
Speaker 3: a guy I see like got to. I see a guy,
Speaker 3: a big guy with like kneebin and flexibility and with
Speaker 3: and I don't know, I mean, maybe you're onto something.
Speaker 2: The short arms are concerning to a slight degree, but
Speaker 2: it's not like it's gonna affect him. It didn't affect
Speaker 2: him at Arizona.
Speaker 3: He was named but he carries his hands low and
Speaker 3: still gets him up inside. Yeah, and that's I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just to me, I I have more
Speaker 3: problems with other guys than I do him. Like Memes.
Speaker 3: I have problems with mems and him not playing a
Speaker 3: lot of games, and everybody loves Memes. I don't hate Memes.
Speaker 3: I'm just scared to death. I'm looking at eight games. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, that's the only thing I'm I'm I'm really
Speaker 3: nervous about with him.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Next question goes to the wide receiver position. Then we're
Speaker 2: going to take our second break. Xavier Leget from South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Hector wants to know if he's a possible Day two option.
Speaker 2: Could he play the X, allowing Ceede Lamb to play
Speaker 2: in the slot more frequently.
Speaker 5: Outside Theoretically, But I think if you're if you're taking
Speaker 5: Xavier lo Get, you're taking him with the idea of
Speaker 5: him being an offensive weapon that you can line up anywhere.
Speaker 5: I'm talking outside, inside, out of the backfield specifically.
Speaker 2: Still fits with the Lamb too, though, yeah, absolute, yeah,
Speaker 2: that makes interchangeable.
Speaker 4: I think he's asking like just throw him at the
Speaker 4: X and leave him there.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I'm not. He's He's a versatile weapon that I want
Speaker 4: to be a to move around.
Speaker 3: They they figured out that South Carolina that multiple use
Speaker 3: wide receiver, they Deebo sand or South Carolina guy. I
Speaker 3: mean the same thing with this Legett. Why do I
Speaker 3: have five wide receivers that I would take over leget Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm the same way. Yeah, there's probably six or seven
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: See, I mean I don't see. I mean you start
Speaker 3: to talk about day, like, are they talking about a
Speaker 3: second round grade on this guy?
Speaker 2: I'm thinking I would put a third on him.
Speaker 3: I mean I have him in the third myself. But
Speaker 3: I was wondering if so I would be second or third,
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I was wondering if he was
Speaker 3: thinking a second round grade on this guy.
Speaker 2: I bet you it's more so a third because if
Speaker 2: even if you're looking at best player available, it's going
Speaker 2: to best player available with a little bit of need
Speaker 2: kind of sprinkled in there, which is going to be
Speaker 2: offensive line, running back, linebacker in.
Speaker 3: Those first guys, tell me where they where?
Speaker 2: You have McConkey from Georgia I have him in the
Speaker 2: second second. He's wide receiver seven for me, I'm higher
Speaker 2: on him. Okay, I've gotten his wide receiver eight. Okay,
Speaker 2: the have a you have you stack anywhere.
Speaker 5: I don't have them completely ranked yet, but he would
Speaker 5: probably end up falling in that eight to ten range.
Speaker 2: How many first round grades you have a wide receiver four?
Speaker 2: I have five, so I've got I've got Harrison, neighbors
Speaker 2: A Dounza, Franklin, Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 4: Those are my five brunt of those again.
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, Junior, Ohio State, Malik Neighbors, LSU, Romea Dunze
Speaker 2: from Washington, Troy Franklin, Oregon, Brian Thomas Junior from LSU.
Speaker 3: And I might be way way wrong about Franklin.
Speaker 2: You don't like Franklin.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fan. Wow, why is that fan?
Speaker 2: We were just talking about him upstairs?
Speaker 3: Will you were? You? You got? Tell me what you
Speaker 3: guys got on this guy. I'm interested to hear what
Speaker 3: you would would say about this Franklin player.
Speaker 2: Six foot two, four four one speed. I mean that's
Speaker 2: one two punch that I really like. I think he's
Speaker 2: a mismatched nightmare brings the ability to play outside. He
Speaker 2: can play inside. He brings threats, a deep game, he's
Speaker 2: got deep ball ability. Sure, he wins at the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage. He's not super physical, even though he does
Speaker 2: have that six foot one frame, But I think he
Speaker 2: does what he can as a blocker. I think most
Speaker 2: of it is because he's only one hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: five pounds, like he's pretty thin.
Speaker 3: He's one hundred six. Yeah, he's he's six two. He's
Speaker 3: won seventy six that's what he was at the combat,
Speaker 3: So one seventy six.
Speaker 2: Wiry guy. But I think the NFL is shown recently wirey,
Speaker 2: tall wide receivers can have success. To Rot Smith, this
Speaker 2: guy's not DeVante Smith, but he was used in a
Speaker 2: similar way in that Oregon offense. And I see a
Speaker 2: playmaker ability with some size. If you can put a
Speaker 2: little bit of weight on him, then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I think he's a game changer at the next line.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about a guy you would have to compare
Speaker 5: with Xavier Worthy, and I'm taking Worthy over Franklin ten times.
Speaker 2: As a whole. Yeah, I don't think. I think Franklin's
Speaker 2: a more complete receiver than Worthy. Worthy, speed, sure, great
Speaker 2: love it. If you can utilize it, that's fine. Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill was that way. But I I see Troy Franklin
Speaker 2: as a more complete receiver than do you think.
Speaker 4: There's not a route running to exa worthy? Because I can,
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't think he's a technician. I
Speaker 2: don't think he's a bad route runner, though. I think
Speaker 2: Troy Franklin's a technician. And I think he can use
Speaker 2: him in the screen game. I think he can use
Speaker 2: him in bubbles and sweeps and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 2: He can carry the football and he's he can run
Speaker 2: through contact.
Speaker 3: I think his speed is his most redeeming quality. And
Speaker 3: I and I kind of like our guy from Tennessee
Speaker 3: last year, that just Jalen Hyatt, that just ran by people.
Speaker 3: I kind of see some similarities in that, and I
Speaker 3: get it. This guy he's It's amazing the number of
Speaker 3: deep ball plays this guy makes. And I wonder though
Speaker 3: about I wonder about that because I did see some
Speaker 3: snaps where people play him in the press and that
Speaker 3: he had a struggle sure getting off that. And I
Speaker 3: wonder if with it being the frame, if the one
Speaker 3: seventy six, is he gonna. But this cat can flat run.
Speaker 3: I mean, he showed you that. And he can run
Speaker 3: by people. That's another thing. But I just I had
Speaker 3: I think I would go. And the thing about Worthy
Speaker 3: is damn Worthy ain't much bigger. You know when you
Speaker 3: look wait Wise, I mean worthies in if you if
Speaker 3: you look at the combine measurements and stuff like that
Speaker 3: with Worthy, Worthy was one sixty five, one sixty five,
Speaker 3: five eleven, one sixty five is what he was. And
Speaker 3: so man, I mean.
Speaker 4: That ball earth in frank he is smaller.
Speaker 3: And but you know there's I say, my son told
Speaker 3: me this. My son gets to Texas, he goes Daddy's
Speaker 3: Calvin Ridley with speed is what he is. And I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: but look at this on the film money tracking the
Speaker 3: ball and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Both of these guys can track the football.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Though we're talking about one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty five and one hundred and seventy two is
Speaker 3: what we're talking about right now.
Speaker 2: And so he stepped in the bucket there. He just
Speaker 2: he wasted three steps right there on that route. I'll
Speaker 2: count it one two three Bay Bank. You know a
Speaker 2: good route running I don't think he's perfect.
Speaker 5: Show me the post corner that he had against Oklahoma State. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's let me.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. So how do you feel
Speaker 2: about bo Nix? A quarterback? And over again? How do
Speaker 2: you feel about him?
Speaker 5: Just as very he was complimented by his weapons around him?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, being let somebody else draft him kind of
Speaker 2: a thing.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying Troy Franklin's a bad receiver. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that at all.
Speaker 2: But how do you feel about Quinn Ewers at Texas?
Speaker 2: I know he's not a twenty four draft prospect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think with another year of development and confidence
Speaker 5: he could he will be talking about him in the
Speaker 5: top ten.
Speaker 2: Next year exactly. So I just think there's a utilization
Speaker 2: problem Troy Franklin.
Speaker 3: Franklin's bad. I just I worry, Like when I saw
Speaker 3: people press him, I worried about that. But I mean
Speaker 3: people are going to They're probably going to be nervous
Speaker 3: about his speed because he does run by people. But
Speaker 3: to me, the way I would play him as I
Speaker 3: would walk up on him and make him trying to
Speaker 3: skip physical with him, Yeah, because that he if you
Speaker 3: give him free access to the route he is going
Speaker 3: to murder you. Yeah, you know. So that's kind of
Speaker 3: where I'm at with Franklin there.
Speaker 2: I like this, A little debate of speed, A little
Speaker 2: speed debate between wide receivers. All right, I got.
Speaker 3: Worthy higher, by the way. Yeah, where do you have?
Speaker 2: Just curious?
Speaker 3: Second round?
Speaker 2: Second?
Speaker 3: Second?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 4: I think you'll end up going first. But I have
Speaker 4: a second round grade on.
Speaker 2: I have Worthy in the second two, but sixty five
Speaker 2: Franklin in the first. All right, we'll be back with
Speaker 2: more of the draft show here in a second. We'll
Speaker 2: answer some more questions right after this.
Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 2: a couple more Twitter on the twenty questions we want
Speaker 2: to ask before getting out of here. When it comes
Speaker 2: to rebuilding for the future, and by rebuilding I mean
Speaker 2: building for the future.
Speaker 3: They might be rebuilding. We just don't know it.
Speaker 2: If we made no no, they just.
Speaker 3: They don't say it. But they might be rebuilding.
Speaker 2: Well, let's let's answer that question. Jay Poole says, do
Speaker 2: you think the Cowboys are rebuilding for next year by
Speaker 2: letting Dak play out his contract in his current cap hit,
Speaker 2: re signing Lamb and Parsons next year and building around
Speaker 2: that and then getting rid of the current contracts and
Speaker 2: the veterans that are on the roster at the moment
Speaker 2: to start fresh in twenty twenty five with a legitimate
Speaker 2: amount of cap space.
Speaker 4: Ran.
Speaker 3: Now you live in the building. I'll say this, though,
Speaker 3: I think the rebuilding without telling us the rebuilding, I
Speaker 3: really do. And I don't think the twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: cap is going to be anything great. No, it's but
Speaker 3: you know, they've got a lot of a lot of things,
Speaker 3: and you know they understand what Thurpe gets. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you the biggest problem that happened for the Cowboys, all
Speaker 3: these contracts came up at the same time. They couldn't
Speaker 3: stagger these contracts. That's a big issue right now for
Speaker 3: them that they're dealing with. But yeah, this Gavin Dawson
Speaker 3: on one five three the Fan yesterday on our show
Speaker 3: The g Bag Nation, he asked that question are they rebuilding?
Speaker 3: And we all kind of pause for a minute and said,
Speaker 3: kind of feels like that, and it looks like it, huh,
Speaker 3: kind of feels like that right now.
Speaker 5: I don't think there's a conscious decision going on that
Speaker 5: they are rebuilding in twenty twenty four. I think there's
Speaker 5: an opportunity. It's not as great as it was in
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three, but there's an opportunity to still put
Speaker 5: a really good team on the field. Hopefully you hit
Speaker 5: on a couple of draft picks they're able to contribute
Speaker 5: to Marvin Overshoe comes back, makes a big.
Speaker 4: Impact, gets better.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Scoomaker exactly, and you're able to guys all around,
Speaker 5: and you're able to develop, and hopefully at some point
Speaker 5: by the time you get to January, you have a
Speaker 5: better situation than you did in that Green Bay game. Right,
Speaker 5: that's probably the hope. But coming out of that, coming
Speaker 5: out of twenty twenty four, I think there might be
Speaker 5: a conscious decision as far as, Okay, we're looking at
Speaker 5: that if this doesn't work in twenty four, we're looking
Speaker 5: at that to rebuild, Yeah, because that's that's your earliest
Speaker 5: opportunity to do it. I don't think there's a need
Speaker 5: to do it right now because of everything that you
Speaker 5: have coming up with the next year, contract wise, on
Speaker 5: field wise, coach wise. But there's an opportunity to do
Speaker 5: that in twenty twenty five if you don't like the
Speaker 5: product that you see. So I don't think there's an
Speaker 5: opportunity to excuse me, I don't think there's a decision
Speaker 5: to rebuild right now. You still have a really good
Speaker 5: product that has won twelve games three consecutive seasons that
Speaker 5: you can throw on the field and probably end up
Speaker 5: with a ten win season and make the playoffs next year.
Speaker 4: And you know, we'll see. We'll see from there.
Speaker 2: You make the tournament, see what goes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think once you get to round exit,
Speaker 5: yeah exactly. But what I think once you get to
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, you look around the room, you see
Speaker 5: what's happened in the last four seasons. At that point, yeah,
Speaker 5: be like, okay, things you've got to change around here.
Speaker 2: I think that's a reality that Cowboys fans are maybe
Speaker 2: not struggling to accept, but just haven't necessarily accepted yet.
Speaker 2: Is Yes, this this is a team that they thought
Speaker 2: was good enough to get it done in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
Speaker 2: It lost in the first round, got blown out by
Speaker 2: the Packers, and it didn't necessarily work out. But there's
Speaker 2: there's one last opportunity to at least give it a shot,
Speaker 2: give it a try, and if it doesn't work out,
Speaker 2: then you start all the way from from scrap.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, man, we're gonna have a fun time
Speaker 5: on this show now, Draft Blast, we're gonna have a
Speaker 5: good time cop picks rebuild.
Speaker 2: But even even with that, yeah, maybe a top five pick.
Speaker 2: With all of that being said, if you hit on
Speaker 2: your draft picks this year, it extends your window, but.
Speaker 3: I think they're looking at it. I don't think this
Speaker 3: team will ever be bad as long as they let
Speaker 3: them draft. Yeah, I think they will always figure out
Speaker 3: a way. And I know last year wasn't. We'll see
Speaker 3: what happens. But I always feel like that this team
Speaker 3: is in the ballpark when it comes to drafting, or
Speaker 3: they always they always have a chance. They let them
Speaker 3: add five to six players, they're gonna probably find three
Speaker 3: or four of those guys that can play. They didn't
Speaker 3: last year, but they have a pretty good history of
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 4: Let's talk about the window.
Speaker 5: The window is closed, but it's it's unlocked from the inside,
Speaker 5: and you're locked out of your house, and you need
Speaker 5: to get like a like a be's what the draft
Speaker 5: to do to get the window up so you can
Speaker 5: get back to your house. That's the draft. The draft
Speaker 5: is whatever you use to get in. But I think
Speaker 5: it's twenty twenty five. It's locked from the inside and
Speaker 5: you're gonna to break that window to get through the house.
Speaker 2: It could be Yeah, look at all this, Look at
Speaker 2: all the imagery that we're using to finish up the
Speaker 2: draft show today. I think you're right. I really do
Speaker 2: it and maybe it is. It's a slow it's a
Speaker 2: it's a partial rebuild at the moment. Maybe it's a
Speaker 2: not a conscious one, but it's one that you can
Speaker 2: maybe see in the future if you hit on your
Speaker 2: draft picks though, which they will if they listen to
Speaker 2: the Draft Show, they'll hit on their draft picks. But
Speaker 2: if they hit on the draft picks, then maybe you
Speaker 2: get an opportunity.
Speaker 3: I think Nick's right about his assessment though about this
Speaker 3: team looking for next year though too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, all right, that does
Speaker 2: it for us today here on the Draft Show. We'll
Speaker 2: be back on Thursday. I think both Brian and out
Speaker 2: and I are both out on.
Speaker 3: Thursday, so I'm sorry about that.
Speaker 2: It'll be a different, different look Thursday, the last.
Speaker 3: Time until the draft. I'm not missing any more damn days,
Speaker 3: trust me.
Speaker 2: I won't promise that one. I've got paternity leave at
Speaker 2: some point, at some point it will be here. But uh,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we'll be back Thursday, eleven am Central to
Speaker 2: talk it through really if there has been a move
Speaker 2: between now and then, how it affects things. And also
Speaker 2: look at this NFL draft for Nick Harris for Brian
Speaker 2: brought us Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yoman
Speaker 2: saying so long, We'll see you next third or coming
Speaker 2: up on Thursday with more of the Draft Show.
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