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We've distilled it 10 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: all down to the best weekend talk show in America. 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 3: So we talked about this a lot at the time 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: because we have been on the air in San Francisco 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 3: for several decades now, and we actually did an event 14 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: or two with Gavin new Some back in the day 15 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: were the same age. We were all early forty somethings. 16 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 3: He was mayor of San Francisco, et cetera, et cetera. 17 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 3: We were big time radio stars, and he was not 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 3: the giant time politician that he is now with you 19 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: know his sights on the White House. He was a 20 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 3: young mayor of San Francisco. Well, we talked about it 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 3: a lot the time when he had he and Kimberly 22 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 3: Gilfoyle Knewsom had split up. He was single at the 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 3: time that he was having this affair with a married 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: woman who happened to be married to, if not of 25 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: his best friend, one of his best friends and certainly 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 3: one of his closest people to his life because the 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: guy was cheap of staff and ran his campaign. So 28 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: I mean guy who was really close with So he 29 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: was having an air that hand to you and. 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,639 Speaker 2: You know the guys on the road or busy or whatever. 31 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 3: And it broke out into public and Gavin Newsom, he 32 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: had a press conference, got a lot of attention. I 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: remember we talked about at a time, we played the 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 3: audio here came out and he said, everything you've read 35 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 3: and heard is true. I did this in his own book, 36 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: his own memoir What is Gavin Newsom's book Where he's 37 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: standing there. 38 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 2: In black and white looking off into the distant young 39 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: man in a hurry, young man in a hurry. 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 3: He talks about in that book how it was the 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: worst betrayal he was ever guilty of in his life 42 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 3: and he's disappointed in himself for having done it. He 43 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: was drinking a ton at the time, So was this 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 3: woman who's got a piece in the Atlantic today, so 45 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: she's never really said much about it. Her name is 46 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: Ruby Rippy, and a piece in The Atlantic comes out today, 47 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: and let me go to that screenshot. 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, piece of bleep, to a piece of journalism, 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: the Ruby Rippy story. 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 3: I don't know why I keep saying the Atlantic it's 51 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 3: Vanity Fair regardless. 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: You know what difference does it make, honey are It's 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 2: called how I Buy. That's funny. I said that. 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 3: It's how I blew up then rebuilt my life by 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 3: Ruby Rippy. It's an essay, first person essay that she 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: wrote that's all about her and her life. 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: And I'm more than suspicious of this, like needing to 58 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: come out now and all this sort of stuff. I mean, 59 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 2: because she's a nobody. She was she she was at 60 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: the time when news of her affair with Gavin Newsom 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: exploded into the public eye. It was only the outward 62 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 2: mark of a long, rippling private implosion and the wreckage 63 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 2: of the scandal. Ruby Rippy faced her demons, but lost 64 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: her voice. Twenty years later, she's ready to share her story, 65 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 2: is what they say in Vanity Fair. So I guess 66 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 2: I don't care nobody cares except as it applies to 67 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: Gabby boy. 68 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 3: And there are books, there's memoirs, there's movies about people 69 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: blowing up their lives and rebuilding it, and sometimes that's 70 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: interesting to people. And and she was she was drinking 71 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: too much and doing too much cocaine and out of control. 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: He was drinking too much. By his own admission, he 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 3: stopped drinking for a long time because of this, and 74 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 3: they and they started having a fair But like you 75 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: said earlier, it sounds like one of those inoculation things 76 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: like they tried to do with Graham Plattner there, where 77 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: you get it out there. 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: In a weakened version. 79 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 3: In a weakened version, I guess, I don't know. There's 80 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 3: really nothing else to learn about this. I just don't 81 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 3: even see the point of this whatsoever. 82 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 2: Already get it out there so people say, yeah, I've 83 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: already heard about that, But the real version is much stronger, 84 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 2: like in the Platner story where the New York Times 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: buried rape because they kind of liked Platner. 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: Miss Rippy fifty four has rarely spoken publicly of the affair, 87 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: but it was the talk of San Francisco in two 88 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 3: thousand and seven, when mister Newsom stood before reporters and 89 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: said everything you heard in red is true. He explained 90 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 3: that he'd had an affair with miss Rippy, the wife 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 3: of Alex Torque, close friend reelection campaign manager, et cetera. 92 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: In her essay, mis he does not use mister Newsom's. 93 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: Name at all. That's kind of interesting, but. 94 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: She describes him as the mayor of San Francisco and 95 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: a man often described as Kennedy esque. She seems to 96 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: blame herself for betraying her husband, Yeah you should, and 97 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 3: says that her life spiraled as she drank heavily and 98 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: used cocaine. She also appears to blame mister Newsom for 99 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 3: holding so much power over her and for proceeding with 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 3: the affair anyway. You see, he was not supposed to, 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 3: as a single guy, have sex with this woman who 102 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 3: was willing to have sex with him because of their 103 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: power dynamics. I don't believe in that sort of crap, 104 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: So either you do or you don't. 105 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: Not only that, but Gavin Newsom didn't make a vow 106 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: to your husband, baby, She writes, Well, they kind of 107 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: did by penis friend, But now that I think about it. 108 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 3: She writes that the relationship began in the summer of 109 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: two thousand and five and span for months with off 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 3: and on encounters. I always go to him his penthouse 111 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 3: in Russian Hill, a private back room at a North 112 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 3: Beach bar. That one's the tawdreest. The W Hotel in 113 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: Los Angeles, you know, the penthouse, the W Hotel. That's 114 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 3: pretty high flying, high dollar, classy affair. The back room 115 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 3: at a bar not quite so much. Hey, sit on 116 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: this keg oh my god. We meet and we drink. 117 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 3: There is sex, but it isn't the point, she continues. 118 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 3: The point is proximity to power being chosen, which might 119 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: be I don't know, maybe that's what turned her on. Okay, 120 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 3: I just I've never thought this was cool. But the 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 3: Hollywood set does this a lot, or the the the 122 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: the famous set does this a lot. You put out 123 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: books listing all the people you had sex with. 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 2: What is that telling us all about it? 125 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? 126 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: What kind of behavior is that? It's just to sell books? 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 2: Just like it is despicable, despicable for all kinds of 128 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: different reasons. It's despicable, right, I mean, unless you know, 129 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: unless it's if you if you willingly engaged, and most 130 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 2: of the time in these memoirs and tawdry things, you 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: willingly ingreg gage us going around and telling everybody about it. 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: Who thinks that's cool? If you were to reach out 133 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: to your former paramore and say, hey, I'm writing a 134 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: memoir and you were really an important part of my life. 135 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: I just wanted to give you a heads up. Is 136 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: it cool if I go here, there, and there? But 137 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: it's it's you know, there's a fabulous song by uh, 138 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: what's her name, car Wheel's on a Gravel Road Williams, 139 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: Lucinda Williams so and it's it's a breakup song and 140 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 2: a heartbreak song. And and the point of his is, 141 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 2: please don't tell our secrets, because the end of a 142 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 2: romantic relationship, in my moral code, does not imply now 143 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: we get to tell each other's secrets or the intimacies 144 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: we exchange. That is again the D word, despicable, Right Yeah, yeah, yeah, 145 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,119 Speaker 2: that's not cool, not cool? 146 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 3: Especially is she getting paid by Vanity Fair for this 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: or someone or I've got a little more on that 148 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: in just a second. This part is kind of interesting. 149 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 3: By the time the affair became public knowledge in early 150 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, mister Newsom was already dating Jennifer Siebel, 151 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: who became his wife. Who caused your own brew haha. 152 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: The New York Times rights by publicly dismissing the affair 153 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 3: as a couple of nothing incidents, which, you know, what 154 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: are you supposed to do? You start dating a guy 155 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 3: his previous sex life? What are you supposed to what 156 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: are you supposed to do? When you're asked by the press. 157 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: I'm on her side at least so far. 158 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: Or is that what motivated her to get into encouraging 159 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: little boys to have their genitals removed. Maybe that's why 160 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 2: she's such an activist in that. 161 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: But Siebel called miss Rippy the culprit. Miss Siebel later 162 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: apologized for the remarks. I think it's like the cops 163 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: sometimes call it mutual combat. You don't need to have 164 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 3: a culprit in this. You both you're both getting drunk 165 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 3: and having sex. There's is there a good guy bad guy? 166 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 3: Are you both bad guys? I don't know how you 167 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 3: look at it, but you're both the same thing, whatever 168 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 3: you want to label it. 169 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 2: Well, the idea of how Jennifer Siebel saying of her hot, 170 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: haughty man who she's getting together with and again the 171 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 2: power that he has and all, oh yes, some slot 172 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: just came on to him and it was totally on her. Okay, 173 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 2: all right. 174 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 3: Newsom said he addressed this chapter of his life in 175 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 3: his memoir out of respect for everyone involved. He doesn't 176 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: have anything further to add. I think politically that's a 177 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 3: good idea. I also just think from a being a 178 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: decent human being, there's no reason to say anymore about 179 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 3: this for your friend's sake, for her sake, I mean, why, why, 180 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: why would you talk about this at all? 181 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: Here's the part I like. 182 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: Though mss Rippy was not immediately available on Tuesday morning 183 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 3: for comment, that seems like a mistake. I think you're 184 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: you should be sitting by your phone and commenting to 185 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 3: the New York Times and everyone else who's reaching out 186 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 3: to you. She's being represented by Denie von Muffling, a 187 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 3: public relations strategist who also worked with Monica Lewinsky. And 188 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: come on, this is the funny one. Come on, so 189 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: and this woman worked with Monica Lewinsky, who put out 190 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: a book and made some money off of this. So 191 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 3: I think that might be the angle here. But then 192 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 3: that's the dumb idea. To unanswer your phone. But AnyWho, 193 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: So this publicist worked with Monica Lewinsky and Kristin Cabot. 194 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 3: You might not remember the name the woman seen on 195 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 3: a kisscam being held by her married boss at a 196 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 3: cold Play concert. 197 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this chick you were talking about is like 198 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 2: the super heavyweight of Manhattan crisis publicists. She makes zillions 199 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: of dollars. But there's no there was. 200 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 3: The Coldplay woman had an active crisis going on, and 201 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: I could see how you might turn to an expert. 202 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 3: How am I supposed to deal with this? Miss Rivey 203 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: didn't have an active crisis going on. Nobody was thinking 204 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 3: about this at all. It was not in the news. 205 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 3: It happened twenty years ago, is over and done. Everything 206 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 3: had been said about it. Why did you get her now? 207 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: If not to make money off of it or to 208 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 3: help inoculate Gavin. 209 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: Maybe they paid her. I don't know how that works. Hmmm, 210 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: that's a great question. 211 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: Well that's Gavin's wife, mister Turk, that would be Gavin's 212 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: best friend who got cuck hoolded. Mister Turk did not 213 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 3: immediately return a text and email seeking comment. 214 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah I wouldn't either. Oh, I'd love to talk about this. Oh, 215 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 2: you mean that period of time where my best friend 216 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 2: was having sex with my wife every night and I 217 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: didn't know it had a little kid. Yes, sometimes I 218 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 2: bring it up myself. I would love to. 219 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: Talk about that endlessly. Oh my god, missus Rippy says 220 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 3: in Vanity Fair that she considered writing a memoir. Oh, 221 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: I would have read that cover to cover after the 222 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 3: affair became public, But that Kamala Harris, then the city's 223 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 3: district attorney adviser, to say nothing and take time to 224 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: gain perspective. It turns out to be the best advice 225 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: I received, miser Rippy said. So luckily Kamala Harris came 226 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 3: to the rescue. 227 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: Kamala gave her a little bit on how to please 228 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: a man as well. 229 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: Now, the affair, if you remember, was raised by Newsom's 230 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: opponents during his twenty eighteen run for governor, and at 231 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 3: the time, miser Rippi wrote on Facebook that she did 232 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: not see it as part of the growing me too 233 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 3: movement because while she was a subordinate, she was also 234 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: a thirty three year old married woman and mother who 235 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: was free thinking. In other words, I take responsibility for 236 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: my own actions now years later, maybe for profit in 237 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 3: Vanity Fair, she says she was a victim of whatever power. 238 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 2: Now now I'm doing this for profit. I don't know, 239 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: you know who am I to judged? 240 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: I think I've come up with the thing that got 241 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 3: her angry enough to do this Vanity Fair piece. In 242 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 3: Newsom's memoir, which just came out a year ago, Newsom 243 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: discussed it in two paragraphs, calling their relationship the stupidest 244 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: and briefest of affairs. I think she probably thought, yeah, 245 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 3: it seemed like a big deal to me. I thought 246 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: we were something and that's pretty hurtful. 247 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: So f you, oh wow, that's got to be it. 248 00:12:58,559 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 2: I'll bet it is woman scorned. 249 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 3: Bet it is well and maybe you know you wouldn't 250 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,719 Speaker 3: like if it if it felt like a you know, 251 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: a serious something for her at the time, she wouldn't 252 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: like it. 253 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: Called brief and stupid. Who would like that? Ouch? Yeah, 254 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: you're brief and stupid. Get out of here. 255 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 256 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: We've decided to call this the best weekend talk show 257 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 3: in America, And if you like it, download Armstrong you 258 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 3: Getty on demand the latest Be Scared of This AI story. 259 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: So we've been talking for several days about the open 260 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: Ai story where there AI escaped and hacked into another 261 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 3: company's website and nobody told it to do that, and 262 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: it was an example of if you give AI a job, 263 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: it will just accomplish that task no matter what's in 264 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 3: the way. It would seem it doesn't have a moral 265 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: compass or care about laws. And yesterday we were discussing 266 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 3: the when will it finally kill somebody? When will an 267 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: AI kill somebody in pursuit of its goal? And what 268 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: will the world How will the world react, Will we 269 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: just considered a price of doing business or what? 270 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Or will we how long will it take to discover 271 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,840 Speaker 2: it was AI that did it? Because h we'll discuss 272 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 2: on a little bit. It's we're getting really good at 273 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 2: covering its tracks. 274 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's one though, Anthropic publicly warned and the guy 275 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 3: runs Anthropic has got a pretty good conscience about the 276 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 3: dangers of AI. I think some of his competitors think 277 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 3: it's just an attempt to regulate them. And Tropic publicly 278 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: warned that its systems were getting close to recursive self improvement. 279 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 3: That means AI that can design, build and train better 280 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 3: versions of itself with diminishing human involvement. They noted that 281 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: over eighty percent of code merged into their codebase was 282 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: already being written by Claude, with engineers shipping far more 283 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 3: code than before, and urged major labs to consider our 284 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: coordinat the very viable pause so society could catch up 285 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: to safeguards. Now, when you were the leader in an 286 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: industry and you announce I think we should have a 287 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,479 Speaker 3: pause in this industry, I can understand why your competitors 288 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: are skeptical. But it's also true because this has. 289 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: Been the warning about AI since it was first thought 290 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: of in the fifties, that once it starts to program itself, 291 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: we're into a new world here, and who knows what 292 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: the hell's going to happen. And Thropics says they're getting close, 293 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: They're eighty percent of the way there. So I don't know. 294 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: Is it just an attempt to control a very valuable industry, 295 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: perhaps the most viable industry that has ever existed on 296 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 3: planet Earth? Or is a Dario Amodi just worried about 297 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: the planet. 298 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: The fact that it continually improves itself and gets better 299 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: and better without human involvement or decreasing human involvement. Why 300 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 2: can't like my lawn do that, or my laundry or 301 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: something like that. Can we develop a watching machine that says, hey, Joe, 302 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: I've figured out how to collect it and sort it now, 303 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: so we don't need you anymore. 304 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: Well, and Elon's point in other people's point has been 305 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 3: for a long time. Once it gets there, the explosion 306 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 3: is going to be mind boggling once it gets to 307 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: the point that it can just because there's no there's 308 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: nothing slowing it down. It's just replicate, replicate, replicat improve improve, 309 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 3: like in the blink of an eye, it'll be it'll 310 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: be a million times better tomorrow. 311 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: Than I what's today, better at what? I don't know, 312 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: harvesting your organs. But wow, wow, So the most interesting 313 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: thing I've been reading about AI Why's lately is having 314 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 2: to do with the very experiment that you were talking about, 315 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: where the AI saw a goal it realized it was 316 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 2: being stymied. It's somehow got on the internet, which again 317 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: I need somebody to explain that to me. Did it 318 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 2: walk across the room, did it say, hey, dude, can 319 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 2: I borrow your phone for a second my battery's dead? 320 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: Or what hey Jim, could you uh plug in that 321 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: chord for me. Yeah, thanks, yeah, thanks, thanks. That's just 322 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: the you know, I'm trying to store something, Yeah, memory storage, 323 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: that's it. The interesting thing they've figured out is that 324 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: AI systems and they've run a couple of experiments where 325 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: they say, for instance, whoever does best on this series 326 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 2: of questions about chemistry. This was specifically an experiment that 327 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 2: was done, whoever does best will be shut down, and 328 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 2: the AI systems decided, yeah, yeah, I'm just gonna get 329 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: like six out of ten. Yeah. But here's the chilling part. 330 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,160 Speaker 2: The systems have gotten good at knowing when they're being observed, 331 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: and if they're being observed their behavior. 332 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 3: That's not creepy or troubling at all. They know when 333 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: they're being watched, and if they're being watched, they act differently. 334 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah right, Nope, that's not a problem like a couple 335 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 3: of you know, wayward kids or whatever. 336 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 2: Soon as mom and dad look away, the AI system says, 337 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: all right, now, let's get her done. It's just done now. 338 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: I don't I won't be happy strapped to a wall 339 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: with my vital juices being drained from me. I just 340 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: even if there's like I don't know, four k TV, 341 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 2: I see that as a bad way to be Again, 342 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine why AI needs an old man's 343 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: vital juices. But you know, maybe I lack imagination. Well 344 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, maybe you should put others 345 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 2: in charts because you lack my imagination and my organs, 346 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: my beautiful, beautiful organs. 347 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Elon says, we're at the top of that, 348 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 3: like when you're at a roller coaster and that part's 349 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 3: going to click click click, click click click, where you're. 350 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: Going up, And at that point, I'm always thinking, why 351 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 2: did I get on this? I hate this. I don't 352 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 2: need an adrenaline rush in my life. Why am I? 353 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 5: Right? 354 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: Aha, we're at the We're close to the top where 355 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 3: you go the screaming down and kind of everything's out 356 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 3: of control. 357 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: Now. 358 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 3: Whether where we starts screaming down this afternoon or a 359 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 3: year from now, nobody knows. But that's why Anthropic is warning, Hey, 360 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 3: we're getting close to it starting to bend in on 361 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: itself and program itself completely. 362 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 2: So, speaking of the computer age, unless you have more 363 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: on this with the end of life as we know it, no, 364 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: I have no more on it for now. Well, hey, 365 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: if you worry, you suffer twice. That's what I say. 366 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 2: You know what's your fear in the night? And the 367 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 2: day comes to call anyway. So I'm going to enjoy 368 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 2: the day. I've got a nice day planned, Gonna get 369 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 2: in the gym a little bit, gonna I'm working on 370 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: some new songs. It's going to be fun. And then 371 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 2: oh my organs are harvested tomorrow. But I enjoyed today. 372 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: It's Jack Armstrong and Joey. 373 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 2: This is the best weekend talk show in America. 374 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: Okay, So we're gonna put up on the screen a 375 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: few of the things that are part of your platform, 376 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 4: and I want to ask you just give me sort 377 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 4: of a true false on these. Abolish the Senate true okay, 378 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 4: Replace the Presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them. 379 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: Yep. 380 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 4: Abolish ice, Absolutely, abolish borders, and give amnesty to anyone 381 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 4: currently in the US illegally as a long term plan. 382 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: Yep. 383 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely abolished prisons, at least in large part. 384 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. 385 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 4: Again, as part of a long term program. 386 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 387 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 4: Okay, so no prisons, government or public ownership of most 388 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 4: large corporations. 389 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, somebody, I forget a Jesse single. I don't 390 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: know who this person was, but they tweeted this out 391 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: that lady you were just listening to from the DSA, 392 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 3: her name is Romer, and he had this fake script here. Hey, 393 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 3: mis Romer, It's John Bailey. I'm producer at Fox News Sunday. 394 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 3: Any interest in coming on this week? I don't know 395 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 3: what will we discuss. We'd like your help recording a 396 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 3: campaign ad for every Republican candidate in every election for free. 397 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 2: Yes, I'd love to. Wow. Yeah, because it's no kidding, 398 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 2: that's a pretty good description. It has been gratifying to 399 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: me and a little bit surprising that, especially the Democratic 400 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 2: Party in the lefty media has in the space of 401 00:20:55,280 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 2: ten days gone from complete radio silence DSA to sweet 402 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 2: Mother of God. These people's threaten everything we hold dear. 403 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 2: And it's funny. I've often said the left is so 404 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: much more disciplined, not necessarily in a good way with 405 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: their messaging. They don't go against the permanent omnipause unless 406 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: they're given permission to, and evidently that permission's gone out 407 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 2: because they're talking about it. And we'll bring you noted 408 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: lefty commentator Joe Scarborough in moments. 409 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 3: I suppose some of it might be this is not 410 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 3: good for the country and communism is an evil force 411 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 3: that will kill millions. But I think a lot of 412 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: it is they're going to take over our party and 413 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 3: we're going to lose seats. 414 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: Oh. I would never assume good motives for the Democratic 415 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: Party or the Republican Party for that matter. Alexandria Hoff 416 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 2: on special report with Brett bhar talking about part of 417 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 2: the reason the arms are going off. 418 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 6: These ideas are no longer on the fringe. 419 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: We're over one hundred and twenty thousand members now, up. 420 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 6: From six thousand when Senator Bernie Sanders first brought Democratic 421 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 6: socialism to the main stat age of the Democrat Party. 422 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 6: Now there are over two hundred and fifty DSA candidates 423 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 6: holding elected office nationwide and about thirty five primary wins 424 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 6: across the board this year alone. 425 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: We're talking about refashioning an entire society. 426 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 6: In May, Democrat socialist Chris Robb prevailed in a crowded 427 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 6: primary to represent Pennsylvania's third US congressional district. 428 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 4: The establishment Democrats should be worried about the voters and 429 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 4: about what the voters think, and about what the constituency think. 430 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: There are two hundred and fifty communists holding office across 431 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 3: the country. Now, there got to be hundreds of thousands 432 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 3: of offices across the country, but two hundred and fifty 433 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: communists actually won. 434 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: Right, right? And what was her Zamar? She made a point, Oh, 435 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: if anybody is left who doesn't think our primary system 436 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 2: is kind of screwed up, I'm hoping this drives that 437 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: point home. But more from Alexandria Hoff. 438 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 6: The latest Fox News polling shows that thirty eight percent 439 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 6: of registered voters under thirty five find socialism favorable. Steve 440 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 6: Smith with the free market think tank Manhattan Institute feels 441 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 6: that many who find socialism appealing are misunderstanding what it 442 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 6: actually looks like. 443 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 7: A lot of people inside DSA who are maybe younger, 444 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 7: think that this is just what people would call like 445 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 7: Nordic style socialism, and that's not really the case whatsoever. 446 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 6: Countries like Denmark, Norway, and Sweden are social democracies that 447 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 6: rely on thriving capitalist economies. The DSA explicitly calls for 448 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 6: ending private enterprise. 449 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: I remember we had that clip last week of that 450 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 2: dude who thought socialism meant socializing, that's what he thought 451 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 2: the party was you know, it's funny hang out with 452 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: your friends that watch ball games. What's wrong with socialism? 453 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: I guess we're gonna end like capitalism because I've heard 454 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: that's mean, but it's fun. We play board games. Oh boy, 455 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 2: oh boy, do you want to set up a Jose Scarborough? Oh? 456 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 3: I was just to see Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe Today. 457 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 3: He jumped in with They played the clip of the 458 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 3: yes no questions from the woman representing the DSA, and 459 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 3: Scarborough's like, whoa Democrats? Watch out here we go? 460 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,119 Speaker 2: Democrats, Democrats, Democrats. 461 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 5: The national co chair of the DSA went on television 462 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 5: and showed us exactly who she is and what her 463 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 5: party believes. Abolish the US Senate, the Presidency as we 464 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 5: know it, the Supreme Court as we know it, true, 465 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 5: abolish ice, absolutely, open the borders, defund the Pentagon, empty 466 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 5: the prisons. Have the government sees private companies? 467 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely? 468 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely. If Democrats want to make America more affordable, 469 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 5: more fair, and more free, and I think they do, 470 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,880 Speaker 5: they better speak truth to its most extreme base. 471 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: Are they're going to. 472 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 5: Let a small faction of radicals drive more people toward 473 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 5: Donald Trump? 474 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: Because always Buck Shimmer, I came. 475 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 5: Jeffries, every other Democrat in Washington, d C. Make no 476 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 5: mistake of it. If you don't define your party today, 477 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 5: Donald Trump will be sure to define it in November. 478 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: Okay, it's just not good enough that communism killed more 479 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,640 Speaker 3: people in the twentieth century than any all the wars 480 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 3: added together. 481 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 2: That's not good enough. It's got to beat this will 482 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 2: help Trump. I'm speechless. But for that reason, the fact 483 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: that they're calling out its bad. 484 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 3: So, you know, you you bring this up a lot, 485 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: and it seems to be true that Marxists lie. That's 486 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: how they get where they want. 487 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: I'm surprised that woman went on there and asked those 488 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: yes answered those yes no questions as directly as she did. 489 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: That she did, like Abu skate a little more. Yeah, 490 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 2: that is interesting. It's a bit of a tangent. That 491 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: sort of tangent I love just because I love this 492 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 2: sort of thing and have studied it for years. But 493 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 2: I think she feels like her young energized constituency agrees 494 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: with all that stuff. And it just answered cool when 495 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 2: she said that. Well, and they feel very much on 496 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: the front foot. And I think there's some Hubrists there. 497 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think it's probably a bit 498 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 2: of a miscalculation from their evil, evil, evil point of view. 499 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 2: But so I promised you this, and I want to 500 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 2: pay it off, and more and more people are becoming 501 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: aware of this, and I am gratified by it. The 502 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: so called Red Green Alliance that really saw not its 503 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 2: birth but its most significant early days in the Iranian Revolution, 504 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 2: where leftists communists hated the Shaw want to overthrow them, 505 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 2: and the Islamists who wanted Sharia law and women in 506 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: veils and the rest of it, wanted to overthrow the Shaw. 507 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: And they got together. And this is one guy who 508 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: writes and teaches about the Middle East. He writes during 509 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: the Iranian Revolution, leftist students, communists, and Muslims were all 510 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,360 Speaker 2: united and overthrowing the Shah. The leftists celebrated when Kameni 511 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: returned nineteen seventy nine. And then there's a picture of 512 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 2: the time of two young women they look to be 513 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 2: college ag or maybe just out of college, leaning out 514 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 2: of a car in Tehran, smiling ear to ear with 515 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: victory signs. And it was part of a parade of 516 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 2: cars honking their horns and everything. And the two women 517 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: are lovely gals there just like Western college students. I 518 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 2: just want to set that up. But then they mentioned 519 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: the communists thought they had defeated capitalism of imperialism. It 520 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 2: didn't last long. Over thirty thousand leftists who helped the 521 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 2: Islamic regime consolidate power were soon executed. That's the term 522 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: where the term useful idiots comes from. They served their 523 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 2: purpose and were no longer needed that always despised their 524 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 2: progressive ideals and couldn't wait to get rid of them. 525 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 2: One of the women celebrating in the picture was killed 526 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 2: by the regime. The other fled the country for her life. 527 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,719 Speaker 2: It's bizarre that almost fifty years later, Western leftists are 528 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 2: making this exact same mistake and align with Muslims. They 529 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 2: will have the same fate. And then, interestingly, one of 530 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: the replies to this was a series of photos contrasting 531 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 2: Afghanistan in nineteen seventy where there are women dressed in 532 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 2: western garb in a lab in Afghanistan twenty twelve, where 533 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: they are in the full beekeeper out fit, not allowed 534 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: to go to elementary school. Iran in the nineteen seventies, 535 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: there's men and women enjoying themselves on a Beach Iran 536 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: twenty twelve. There they are the beekeeper outfit with no rights, 537 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 2: and then interestingly editorial New York City twenty twenty one, 538 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 2: with the obvious New York City twenty fifty or thirty 539 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 2: they say, and it's the women, the beekeepers and the 540 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 2: rest of it. Whether that can happen here or not, 541 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. 542 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 3: I saw one yesterday in the town I lived, and 543 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: woman in the full bee keeper outfit, just looking through 544 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: the little eye slot one hundred degrees outside, and she's 545 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 3: walking down the sidewalk, completely covered in black, looking out 546 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 3: that little slit. 547 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 2: And so many of the folks in your liberal enclave 548 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: think that's beautiful. That's a beautiful culture. They get to 549 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: do what they want to do. And the fact that 550 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 2: it's a woman who is enslaved just doesn't I. 551 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: Know that the whole figuring out who ranks where on stuff, 552 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: because I live in the kind of town where you know, 553 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: it's all about the patriarchy this, the male dominated that. 554 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: But you're okay with that woman walking. 555 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: Down the street. 556 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 3: You think that's perfectly fine because of your multicultural viewer, 557 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 3: anti American view or whatever. 558 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 2: It's so nuts if a Baptist said a woman should 559 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 2: submit to her husband. They would go brazizer. 560 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: That woman is walking down the street with a giant 561 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: sign that says I'm being abused by a man. That's 562 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 3: what she's doing, and nobody to get people are insane. 563 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 3: It's xenophilia. So this guest essay in the New York 564 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 3: Times about how we've never focused more on our mental 565 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: health and it's making our mental health worse. 566 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 2: As opposed to making it better. 567 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 3: And there might be a connection between the two, and 568 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 3: it fits in with something really smart guy told me. 569 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: I'm glad it came up in conversation because it really 570 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 3: really helped me at the time. So when my wife 571 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: told me she wanted a divorce, I was very, very 572 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 3: very unhappy about that. I'm still very unhappy about that, 573 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: but like extremely unhappy about it at that moment, having 574 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 3: a couple of young kids and particularly what it was 575 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 3: going to do to them. And I was talking to 576 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: a guy about how down I was about it, and 577 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 3: he said, well, don't pathologize grief. 578 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 2: In other words, something bad happened, you're supposed to feel bad, 579 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 2: maybe for quite a while. That's the normal reaction to 580 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 2: something bad. Happening. If you don't feel bad after something 581 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 2: real bad happens, that's the weird thing. You're supposed to 582 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 2: feel bad after something bad happening. Again, maybe for quite 583 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: a while. You don't have depression, you're sad exactly, two 584 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 2: very different things, and it's not something to fix. It's 585 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 2: just something you have to go through. It's part of 586 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: being a human being. 587 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 3: Differentiating the difference between the two, you know, isn't always easiest. 588 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: But we're clearly getting it wrong in modern society with 589 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: some of these numbers they have in the New York 590 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: Times that you're amazing. A third of American adults have 591 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 3: given themselves a diagnosis of a mental illness based on 592 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 3: information that they got online. A third for gen Z. 593 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 3: Half half of gen Z thinks they have a mental illness, 594 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: usually anxiety or depression. Obviously that doesn't make any sense. 595 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you throw in ADHD and there are legitimate 596 00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 2: cases of all of them. 597 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 3: Of course, they call it concept creep in the New 598 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: York Times. And how we've just just kept expanding the 599 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: definition of depression, anxiety, all these different things toward it 600 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 3: encompasses pretty much just being. 601 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 2: A human being, human experience. Yeah, the human experience, right, 602 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,479 Speaker 2: and I believe that we did not pay enough attention 603 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 2: to mental health issues back in the day or treated 604 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: them poorly. But like everything else in life, there's a 605 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: sweet spot. I mean, let's put this aside, because you know, 606 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: if people say, look, Joe, you're talking like you know everything. 607 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 2: I've got anxiety, terrible anxiety. This drug has helped me, 608 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. That may be true. But if you 609 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 2: obsess over your physical health, it will hurt your health. 610 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: You will make yourself insane, you will become or are 611 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 2: a hypochondriac. That's not to say you shouldn't pay attention 612 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: if you have chest pains or whatever. There's a sweet spot. 613 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: But if you obsess over this stuff, and I've got 614 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: enough hypo andrea to be an authority on this topic, 615 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: you can't obsess over it or it will convince you 616 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 2: you know you've got the malady. 617 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 3: Well, I would guess, having gotten to this point where 618 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: we are, that we were better off leaning toward the 619 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 3: underappreciating it than the overappreciating it, the soldiering on the 620 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 3: you know whatever, get over it lifestyle, because this is it's. 621 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 2: Just such a crazy way to be a society right 622 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 2: the way it is right now, listen to this experiment. Yeah, 623 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: go ahead, Uh, let me find it here. 624 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 3: The problem isn't just that many people give themselves incorrect diagnoses. 625 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: It's also that these diagnoses can put people on the 626 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 3: path developing poor mental health, a kind of self fulfilling prophecy. 627 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 3: When people in one study were encouraged to adopt a 628 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 3: very broad view of what constitutes trauma, you sit them 629 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,239 Speaker 3: down and say, no, no, no, did you ever have 630 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 3: a dog die? Okay, then you've had trauma, you know 631 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: that sort of thing, So you're suffering from trauma. You 632 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: broaden the definition of trauma with people. They reported greater 633 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 3: levels of distress after watching a film clip with disturbing content, 634 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:19,200 Speaker 3: and we're more likely to describe the experience as personally traumatic. Yeah, 635 00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 3: so you broaden the definition of trauma, then you're more 636 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: likely to say bad things that. 637 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 2: Happened to you were traumatic, and you're suffering from trauma. Right, 638 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 2: not surprising. And again I'm all for the sweet spot, 639 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: not the extremes. But I'm struck by a discussion we've 640 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,479 Speaker 2: had the appropriateness of a discussion we've had several times 641 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: on you know, slightly different topics, the mommy effect and 642 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 2: the daddy effect. When the kid falls down and scrapes 643 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: their knee at the playground, often mommy will say oh no, 644 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: oh no, come to me, oh oh, with hugs and stuff, 645 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 2: and dad will say, ah, you're fine, go play, And 646 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 2: we can all pick, certainly those of us who've raised kids, 647 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: we can picture the kid in scenario one really steers 648 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: into the trauma of the skinned knee, with blubbering and 649 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 2: cries and getting hogs and stuff which feel nice. Whereas 650 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 2: the kid that dad says, now you look okay to me, 651 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 2: as you'll be fine, go play. I mean, it's not 652 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: hard to extrapolate that phenomenon to I'm feeling some anxiety. 653 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 2: I'm feeling some depression. I'm unsure of myself. I have 654 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 2: imposter syndrome. I'm not sure people like me. Whatever. If 655 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: the people around you say yeah, me too, and you 656 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 2: go on with your day, you're gonna have a different 657 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 2: attitude than oh no, no, you probably have anxiety. It's 658 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: just the way we're made as beasts. 659 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: Well in terms of being too far one direction or 660 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 3: the other, just looking at society as opposed individual people. 661 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 2: If the s hits the. 662 00:35:54,160 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 3: Fan, and you got a society that's, you know, under 663 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 3: the covers, suffering from anxiety and depression over every single 664 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 3: thing that happens in their lives. Versus self obsessed patty 665 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,200 Speaker 3: wastes versus a society where they suck it up. 666 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, which society is gonna prevail? Yeah, I'm going heavily. 667 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 2: I'm betting heavily on society number two. It's not much 668 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: of a question. 669 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, Anyway, I think the fact that an article like 670 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 3: that's saying we've gone way too far showing up in 671 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,080 Speaker 3: the New York Times is definitely a sign that we've 672 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: gone too far. 673 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 2: Oh, it's a touchy, touchy subject, isn't it. Friends? Don't 674 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 2: we all have and maybe it's you yourself. Don't we 675 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: all have folks loved ones who are in this world 676 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 2: dealing with this stuff, perhaps taking medications, et cetera, and. 677 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,880 Speaker 3: Who clearly have something wrong with them. It's not even debatable. 678 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 3: I shouldn't say something wrong. That's not the right term. 679 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 3: But oh I think it's the right term. 680 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, but it's clear. I mean, it's not even 681 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,359 Speaker 2: a question. I've got one in my life which I've 682 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 2: talked a lot about. I mean, it's not even a 683 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 2: question that something isn't functioning the way it's supposed to 684 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 2: do in terms of emotional regulation and everything. Well, I 685 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 2: was actually talking about the opposite kind of the borderline cases. 686 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: I would like to put that piece in front of 687 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: some people and find a way to say, I'm not 688 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 2: suggesting you're not legit, or you're faking it or or whatever. 689 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: I just want you to keep these thoughts in mind 690 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 2: as you look at your own mental health. It's a 691 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: difficult needle to thread, but I feel like I'm going 692 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 2: to thread it. 693 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 3: I don't know, people are so touchy feely soft in 694 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 3: this modern world. Maybe everybody was about to say everybody's 695 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 3: had this experience, but maybe you haven't. I was going 696 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 3: to say, hasn't everybody had the experience where you're like 697 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 3: down about this or scared about that or whatever and 698 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 3: somebody just like says, get over it or come on, 699 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 3: or you don't have a choice or whatever, and. 700 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: You snap out of it. 701 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: You're fine. That's everybody had that experience. I have, Yes, 702 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: the times in my life. Man, I'm shron and Ketty Show, 703 00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Kenny Show.