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Speaker 2: Whoam? And now down and tie a hi for bollows

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Speaker 2: your Captain, Tye Hildebrand on this end over in eastern Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Over there in beautiful New York City, Lieutenant Commander Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: Welcome aboard the college football tooth cruise here on the

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Speaker 1: solid verbal, Sir.

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Speaker 3: How are you, ahi? Ty The wind is in our sails?

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Speaker 3: And so you know how I look for inspiration as

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Speaker 3: You know what am I going to talk about? To

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Speaker 3: open up the twos cruise?

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Speaker 1: I see a kid, a kid no older than fifteen,

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Speaker 1: We're all Jordan Todman guys.

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Speaker 3: Sure, Lord knows you're not an Orlowsky guy anymore. Apparently

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Speaker 1: That was a Georgia game, We'll we'll have to talk about it.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk about another show, another show, okay. And so

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Speaker 3: I was like, we can do better than that, and

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Speaker 3: we're doing as you know, this is the message in

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Speaker 3: a bottle show. We have received messages in digital bottles

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Speaker 1: You know the song Roxanne of course police?

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So I'm sitting there and it just it

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Speaker 3: This is a I don't know thirty second game.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready? Sure?

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Speaker 3: Carter Finley, Carter Finley, pops NC State obviouslys.

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Speaker 1: So we want to go on. Yeah, I mean, here's

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Speaker 1: So I think ls's got to be in anyone's top three,

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin six, Wisconsin five. Oh, okay, I'll put ahead of Clemson. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: At the same time, I would put Penn State up there,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think you're right right about ten. So

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Speaker 3: that's right, Ty, America's best offense now is a heartbeat

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Speaker 3: on defense. Alabama three, Ohio State four, Clemson five, Wisconsin six,

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Speaker 3: Florida seven. I'm impressed by Florida.

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Speaker 1: I think, far and away, the two teams that have

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Speaker 1: That's what our guy rank is asking for. Ohio State

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Speaker 1: Bringing the heat. Okay, will Georgia laying their yearly egg

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Speaker 3: That they'll forget? Did people forget? Ohio States? Two really

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Speaker 1: But those were two and this is one. If they

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Speaker 3: Florida, Miszoo, Auburn, and who did you say? Oh SEC

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Speaker 1: LSU find me another team in college football that will

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Speaker 1: have five better wins than that. Well, if they win

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Speaker 3: We've forgotten sub question for Nick uh, what do you

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Speaker 1: That is the more operative question. That is the more

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Speaker 3: It's tough to win at Jordan Hare Jordan her Missoo's

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Speaker 3: you downgrading your Georgia thoughts after And this was the

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Speaker 3: strange thing. I don't know if you had a chance

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Speaker 3: to look at Bill Connolly's numbers, his advanced box score,

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Speaker 3: Georgia did everything other than not throwing interceptions that they could.

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Speaker 3: They had more scoring opportunities. You know, South Carolina scores

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Speaker 3: offense totally shut down when de Carrion Joyner came in

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Speaker 1: I think I think it's harder to look back at

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Speaker 3: Just the pass, the passing tree, the receiver to the

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Speaker 3: route tree. Excuse me, it just looked very weird. I

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Speaker 3: saw our friend Bud Elliott like scripted it all out

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's my opinion, EJ. Who is Wisconsin's most likely

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Speaker 3: Down on Minnesota's offense, I thought you said, who have

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Hot Ride, big fan. Okay,

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Speaker 1: And the second is that, look, we've had two chances

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say two words. I guess it's two words.

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Speaker 3: Twenty fifteen. Okay, Wisconsin has lost I think once in

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Speaker 3: the last seven years. Ty, what do you do when

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Speaker 3: the Heartland Trophy is on the line. Yeah, throw those

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Speaker 1: Why not? Here? You throw them out? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Here is twenty fifteen. Wisconsin's dominated the rivalry years leading

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Speaker 3: up years after final score in twenty fifteen, ten to six.

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Speaker 3: It took one touchdown for Iowa to win the Heartland

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Speaker 3: I was gonna say, no joke, offensively, a little bit

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Speaker 3: of a joke, but that wasn't intended to you, Troy.

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Speaker 1: Troy Fumagali, we love you. Do you know?

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure you don't because you have an actual life.

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Speaker 3: And I had to look this up to remember. Do

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Speaker 3: you know who scored the touchdown for Iowa?

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Speaker 1: Arguably one of the best, James Van Denberg. It's a

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Speaker 1: very good question, very good guess, but no, the best,

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm down on Minnesota is because this is

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Speaker 1: Alex Rights a related Wisconsin question here, Yeah, does Jonathan

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Speaker 3: He doesn't return kicks, he doesn't do much as an

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Speaker 1: Not gonna win the Heisman. He's not gonna win the Hidsen.

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Speaker 1: There's too much steam on the other guys. We could

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Speaker 1: Bob windsor Bob windsor Big Bob Winzer guy, Big Bob

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Speaker 3: And I mean we left out Joe Burrow's name. Joe

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Speaker 1: Ryan says, Arizona State has Utah, Oregon, USC and Arizona

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Speaker 3: My answer is yes, they can absolutely win nine games

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Speaker 3: I like nine wins for ASU.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, let's move on here. Dan Let's Davis

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Speaker 1: at least beat one.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm very worried about the Kentucky game. Really, you

431
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Speaker 3: know how we feel about Lynn Bowden. You know, Yeah, no, situationally,

432
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Speaker 3: because it's the open face look ahead. They have a

433
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Speaker 3: bye week after Kentucky. They should just run through Vandy,

434
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Speaker 3: who may be the worst Power five team right now,

435
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Speaker 3: and then you know, looking at that Georgia Florida one

436
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Speaker 3: to two. After the bye week, it's in Lexington the

437
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Speaker 3: Kentucky game. I just I think they have something dumb

438
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Speaker 3: in them. I do think that the defense, I think

439
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Speaker 3: it's still going to be very good. They appear to

440
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Speaker 3: be a top fifteen team nationally right now. I just

441
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Speaker 3: I think they got something dumb. That's all, you know.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm not fully trusting Kelly Bryan in the offense,

443
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Speaker 1: even coming after a really nice win over all. Miss

444
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Speaker 1: It's I think it's a tall order. But Maszoo has

445
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Speaker 1: long way. Agreed. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna say no because

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Speaker 1: I think they're gonna trip up on something stupid before

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Speaker 1: here is our next question from job burrowing Rodents. Yes,

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Speaker 1: can Joe Moore had right the ship in Starkville Klanga

474
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: under moore head looks woefully unprepared week in week out,

475
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Speaker 1: had to buy week before the SEC's worst team, of course,

476
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Speaker 1: came out flat. I feel a year and a half

477
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: is too quick to write him off. But year to

478
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Speaker 1: date we look worse, not better. What do you stand on, Joemo? Dan?

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Speaker 1: You in? He's still in?

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Speaker 3: Well, it was Tennessee, I think is who he was

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Speaker 3: referring to, But I think Arkansas was worse than Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I'm still in.

483
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Speaker 3: And part of the reason is context of he comes

484
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 3: in year one and that was an extremely talented defense,

485
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Speaker 3: that he inherited a rough offense in terms of quarterback,

486
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Speaker 3: and you just you have to allot somebody time to

487
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Speaker 3: build their own team and to get the culture to

488
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Speaker 3: where they want it to be. I understand the frustration,

489
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Speaker 3: and I understand that after last season people were expecting

490
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Speaker 3: to build on what appeared to already be a successful squad,

491
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Speaker 3: but year over year things change. He's worked in a

492
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 3: grad transfer quarterback who hasn't fully worked out, and a

493
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: true freshman who is going to have his freshman truths.

494
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Speaker 3: I think I'm still a believer in Garrett Trader. I

495
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: think it's too early to write him off for sure,

496
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Speaker 3: even though the week was not great. I'm also I'd

497
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Speaker 3: like to point out the fact that Mississippi State has

498
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: basically had one good quarterback ever in modern college football.

499
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott may have raised the bar a significant degree

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Speaker 3: in terms of expectations at quarterback, but if you look

501
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Speaker 3: back at what the actual throwing performance was of, and

502
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Speaker 3: this is nothing against anything Tyler Russell and Chris Ralph,

503
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Speaker 3: we're not talking about a high, high bar of Like

504
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Speaker 3: why isn't Joe Moore head bringing the offense? You know

505
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 3: he was brought in. What look what he did with

506
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: Trace McSorley. Why isn't he turning Nick Fitzgerald into Dak Press.

507
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: It's it's gonna take some time. I yeah, the bar

508
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: needs to be at a more appropriate place. To me,

509
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Speaker 3: the way they're playing now six and six is the

510
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: best case scenario because the quarterback situation is a disaster.

511
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Speaker 3: They're giving up a ton of sacks. They're not generating

512
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Speaker 3: any big plays, but they're giving them up.

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Speaker 1: They're giving them up, They're giving them I'm generous. I

514
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Speaker 1: don't think you can fire him yet, but I would

515
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Speaker 1: hope people understand looking at the schedule that this is

516
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Speaker 1: gonna get worse before it gets better because both LSU

517
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: and BAMAR are still on the schedule. I think A

518
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: and M's on there as well. It could very easily

519
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: end up a five and seven year if one of

520
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: those other games on the schedule goes sideways. But I

521
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: don't think you can do it yet. I think you

522
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 1: need to give him at least another year to try

523
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Speaker 1: and work some magic down there. The Tommy Stevens experiment

524
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Speaker 1: truthfully may have sent him back a bit. He's been bad. Yeah,

525
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: and the line has not been helping these quarterbacks either.

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Speaker 1: So there there's been a lot go wrong for Mississippi

527
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: State thus far. And you know, I don't know. I

528
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Speaker 1: think he needs another year to see if he can

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Speaker 1: get the job done. I'd like to apologize for forgetting

530
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Speaker 1: Tyson Lee's name has now gone someone gets you know,

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Speaker 1: I hit that by a mistake, But I'm kind of

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Speaker 1: glad I did. I love it. Hy Yeah, let's go

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Speaker 1: to Quintoid. Yeah. Why is it that every third year

534
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: Michigan assumes it can just adopt a new, high powered

535
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Speaker 1: offense like the big guys are doing, and then act

536
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Speaker 1: surprised and despondent when it doesn't immediately come together. It

537
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Speaker 1: would be one thing if they were just patient enough

538
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Speaker 1: to see it through.

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Speaker 3: Do you think patients is the problem. No, with Michigan's

540
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: offensive woes not this year. I don't, So why is

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Speaker 3: it do you think that Michigan decides you know they

542
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Speaker 3: did rich Rod successfully.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, this is a fair question

544
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Speaker 1: to ask, and I almost wholeheartedly agree here. The one

545
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Speaker 1: caveat is that Michigan looks like it went backwards on

546
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Speaker 1: offense this year, and I think that's the part that's

547
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: throwing Michigan fans for not just in terms of production either,

548
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: they don't seem organized out there. They've been fumbling like madmen,

549
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: and it just doesn't seem like it's going in a

550
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Speaker 1: good direction. So while I agree yes, it would have

551
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: been unrealistic to expect all this to click right away

552
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Speaker 1: and for them to come out scoring fifty points a game,

553
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: it's just that they've looked so bad and so disorganized

554
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: and so just out of sync that I totally get

555
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Speaker 1: the anngs at this point. What was the flying Mario suit?

556
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Speaker 1: Was that the Tanuki suit?

557
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Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about from Mark talking about

558
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: the pee wing, Well, he's wearing it's like a raccoon tail.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm talking about? I do remember

560
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Speaker 1: the Tanuki suit. I'm not sure I know what you

561
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Speaker 1: mean by the flying suit. But you could definitely fly

562
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Speaker 1: with the tanuki suit.

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Speaker 3: Right, you could, Like Mario can't fly normally, no, but

564
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Speaker 3: he puts on the tanuki suit and he is airborne.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: So I think that's what people and probably us, to

567
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Speaker 3: a certain extent, expected of the Josh Gaddis higher that

568
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Speaker 3: he was going to come in and suddenly Michigan was

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Speaker 3: wearing a tanuki suit and suddenly they're able to soar

570
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Speaker 3: with this big spread offense that they're they're modernized and

571
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Speaker 3: they're you know, running RPO stuff constantly, and Zach Sharbonet

572
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: is the next big thing. The patients may be a thing.

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00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: It may also be that Shaye Patterson is okay and

574
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: not much beyond okay. Maybe hope that's not the case.

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00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: It may also be that it's the patience is needed

576
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: and not just installing a new playbook and installing new terminology.

577
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Speaker 3: But are these is it the right staff for it?

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00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: Does the staff get along with Josh Gaddis? Does he

579
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Speaker 3: get along with them? How is he as a communicator?

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00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: You know, is the offensive line coach?

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Speaker 2: In?

582
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Speaker 1: Is the receivers coach? In? Is the running backs coach? In?

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Speaker 1: You know?

584
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Speaker 3: Is Jim Harbaugh in the way that you need a

585
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Speaker 3: head coach to either say it's your offense, do what

586
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Speaker 3: you must do, or is Jim Harbaugh popping into offensive

587
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Speaker 3: meetings and saying, what dom we do a little bit

588
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 3: of this, that and this and so maybe it's just

589
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: like you gotta get a mushroom, you gotta get a

590
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,479
Speaker 3: star before you get a tanuki tie.

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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I mean, we talked to some of the brightest college

592
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Speaker 1: football minds. We're not doing this show Yogi Roth, Bud Elliott,

593
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Speaker 1: Bruce Felder, Chrispy Brown, Krispy Brown. Everyone talks about the

594
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Speaker 1: tanuki sutification of college football. This is like a common

595
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Speaker 1: term that maybe isn't No.

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Speaker 3: This is you listen to the old heads talking about,

597
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: you know, the single wing. You know it's it's talking

598
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: about flex bone. They're all saying, how do wea tanuki?

599
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Speaker 1: Everyone wants a tanuki suit? This thing up? Yeah, Yeah,

600
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Michigan's got a ways to go before they get what

601
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Speaker 1: is anoki suit level?

602
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Speaker 3: So, but do you like, if you've watched Michigan football

603
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: this year, I've watched a lot of Michigan football. Yeah,

604
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: do you think it's a process thing? Like, do you

605
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: think do you watch them and say they are not

606
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Speaker 3: coached well? There is some on the same page, There

607
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: is some element of this that screams them not being

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Speaker 3: coached well. Right when it doesn't seem like guys know

609
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Speaker 3: where they're supposed to go on the field, That is

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Speaker 3: inherently different from execution. And when you've got this level

611
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Speaker 3: of ineptitude in terms of holding onto the football that

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Speaker 3: I think underscores the point even more so. That element

613
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Speaker 3: of it, for sure, not feeling like they know what

614
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Speaker 3: they're doing is I think that screams coaching on some level.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the personnel doesn't fit the new scheme. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I totally buy that argument. I think I

617
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Speaker 3: made a counterpoint earlier in the year when I talked

618
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Speaker 3: about why I was high on Michigan. So I'm not

619
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Speaker 3: fully subscribed to that thought. But it's a combination of.

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Speaker 1: I think it's everything. I think you're right, bad coaching,

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Speaker 1: poor execution, it's just not gone well.

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Speaker 3: The thing that strikes me is it was all supposed

623
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Speaker 3: to be easier. It was all supposed to be Shaye

624
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Speaker 3: Patterson doesn't have to drop back and climb the pocket

625
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Speaker 3: and go through his progressions in a more pro style way,

626
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Speaker 3: which he kind of had to do at times last season.

627
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Speaker 3: It should just be easier. There should just be quick reads.

628
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: There should just throw and go basketball on grass. That's

629
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Speaker 3: the idea.

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Speaker 1: Did you see what shape Patterson's numbers were on passing

631
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Speaker 1: downs against Illinois? If you saw from Bill Connolly, No,

632
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Speaker 1: I did not. He was like one of nine. Yeah,

633
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: on passing well, he was throwing everything off his back foot.

634
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Speaker 1: Almost everything's off his back foot.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem easy, and at the very least, even

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Speaker 3: if Michigan's not figuring it out, it should seem easier visually,

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Speaker 3: and it's failed to do that.

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00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Next question. Next question comes from Vic. Does LSU need

639
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 1: to promote Joe Brady to offensive coordinator to prevent him

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Speaker 1: from going to a school like Michigan State as their

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Joe Brady the passing game coordinator for Yeah, LSU.

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Speaker 1: He's also thirty years old, so surely there will be

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Speaker 1: people after him. I would tell Vic that Michigan State

644
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: only apparently hires you to fix the offense if you're

645
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: already on the coaching staff. So breathe easy, knowing that

646
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: he's not gonna end up in He's lancing. Yeah. Otherwise, though,

647
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: it's really tough to keep a guy like this long

648
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: term at a program, even at a good program like LSU,

649
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: if he's that young. He just started coaching a couple

650
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: of years ago, so clearly he's an up and comer.

651
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: He's a Joe Morehead guy, right. He was a GA

652
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: at Penn State with Morehead. Yeah. My sense is that

653
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: in all likelihood it will be impossible over the next

654
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Speaker 1: three years to keep him if LSU keeps going at

655
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Speaker 1: this clip. Because he's a young commodity, he's going to

656
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Speaker 1: want to be a head coach. It might not be

657
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: a bad idea to try your lucky keeping him. But

658
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Speaker 1: I don't think the Dave Randa plan is going to

659
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: work here. Why just because of his youth, Because of

660
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Speaker 1: his youth, because he can ca I mean, LSU will

661
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: pay you. I mean they took care of David Randa

662
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 1: when people came call him. And we've seen what happened

663
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: at Clemson, and that's rare in terms of keeping the

664
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Speaker 1: staff on hand and just making it a great place

665
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Speaker 1: to work and paying them a ton of money. So that,

666
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: you know what, I've got it good here. Why mess

667
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: with it? I'm just look, I hear you, and you're

668
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: not wrong. I'm skeptical. I'm skeptical that a thirty year

669
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Speaker 1: old dude who's having this kind of success at the

670
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: truly elite level of college football is not going to

671
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: want to be a head coach. More often than not,

672
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: those guys want to be head coaches. So I'll place

673
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Speaker 1: my bet on that side here.

674
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Speaker 3: I think there is an element. And I don't know,

675
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: Joe Brady, I'm not in these rooms. This is all

676
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 3: just guessing from me. But elis Who's a really good

677
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: place to be a successful offensive coach because they haven't

678
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 3: had a lot of those no, so they're going to

679
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: take care They're going to try to take care of them.

680
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: I could see if Oregon wanted to go in a

681
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: new direction, maybe they kick the tires something like that,

682
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: where that's a good situation. Lis who is always going

683
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 3: to be a better talent situation than ninety nine point

684
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 3: two percent of the country. So if he always has

685
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Speaker 3: the ability to have five star receivers across the board.

686
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Speaker 3: And I know they had to go to Ohio to

687
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Speaker 3: get a quarterback. Quarterback has been an issue in terms

688
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 3: of recruiting, but good thing going man.

689
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Speaker 1: No, see, I'm with you. I am with you.

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Speaker 3: It's I think he should be choosy. I don't think

691
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Speaker 3: he should stay forever. I think he should get paid,

692
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Speaker 3: but I think he should be choosy.

693
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Speaker 1: All right, let's move on. Oh oh, look at this

694
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Speaker 1: question from a boy Brandon McKissick. Oh there, I like that,

695
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Speaker 1: we d He says, Is it just me? Or is

696
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: this playoff setting up to be something amazing? We have

697
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: Alabama and Clemson there every year. Both are at or

698
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Speaker 1: around the same level of quality as usual. You could

699
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Speaker 1: argue Clemson, but you and Alabama defensively, it's not exactly

700
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: the same. LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma are each fielding

701
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: their best team that they've had in the past ten years. Okay,

702
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: LSU and Ohio State definitely. Oklahoma could make that case

703
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: now that they've got some defense. Sure, Wisconsin unsure at quarterback,

704
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Speaker 1: but everything else belongs to an elite team. Fair and

705
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Speaker 1: that's fair. Penn State has been flirting with the playoff

706
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: spot before. Are they legit? Are they not? I'm gonna

707
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: have a playoff caliber defense. It looks like we've also

708
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: got Georgia with the talent still there and a relatively

709
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Speaker 1: clear path. They do have that one blemish on the record.

710
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Speaker 3: Well, it's a it's a clear path, and that there

711
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 3: are giant sinkholes that have Auburn paint and Alabama pright potentially, I'm.

712
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Speaker 1: Not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's pretty clear what

713
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Speaker 1: they need to do correct. We talked about that earlier

714
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Speaker 1: in the show. Right, and then we've got teams like Oregon, Florida, Auburn,

715
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Speaker 1: and Notre Dame that are all very interesting one loss teams. Sure,

716
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Speaker 1: he says at the end, here is a qualifier. He

717
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Speaker 1: may have jinxed it, but I think he is just

718
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Speaker 1: waxing poetic about the playoffs, about the potential here, Dan

719
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Man after my own heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you have to remove a number of these

721
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Speaker 3: teams in terms of excitement at quarterback. I think you

722
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Speaker 3: have to remove Penn State right now. I would agree

723
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Speaker 3: Sean Clifford is maybe going to an interesting place, but

724
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Speaker 3: he's not there. I don't think he'll be a high

725
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Speaker 3: level quarterback this year Wisconsin. As he mentioned, I would

726
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Speaker 3: probably remove Florida and Auburn and Notre Dame from exciting quarterbacks. Yes,

727
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Speaker 3: we saw we have the date on Ian book in

728
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: the playoff we do, it's not the best.

729
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. I think he's right on.

730
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Speaker 3: I just one of the things that's interesting to me,

731
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Speaker 3: and we kind of talked about it with Alabama and

732
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Speaker 3: Clemson and how to qualify them or quantify them as

733
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Speaker 3: a top team, is is it at all possible to

734
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Speaker 3: evaluate either of those teams in a vacuum saying I

735
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Speaker 3: am looking at Alabama in terms of this season this

736
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Speaker 3: season only it's not I mean, obviously Nick Saban has

737
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Speaker 3: a track record, TUA has a track record, But is

738
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Speaker 3: it possible to look and say this is how they've performed?

739
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Speaker 3: So I don't know if they are the number one team.

740
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Speaker 3: I find it very difficult to do. I think it

741
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Speaker 3: feel like we should. I think it's extremely difficult. I

742
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Speaker 3: agree that we should.

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Speaker 1: I would argue that the only team on here, of

744
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Speaker 1: all these teams that I just listed, the only team

745
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Speaker 1: on here that we can actually look at in a

746
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Speaker 1: vacuum this season is LSU because there's been such a

747
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Speaker 1: difference offensively, it feels like a completely different program. LSU,

748
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Speaker 1: I think, is a lot easier to take in a vacuum.

749
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Speaker 1: But Alabama and Clemson really hard to look at those

750
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Speaker 1: programs without considering some of that legacy effect from the

751
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Speaker 1: last five years. Oklahoma, Oh, of course Oklahoma's been there.

752
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Speaker 1: I think there's a propensity to compare this Oklahoma team

753
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Speaker 1: against each of the previous two. Yeah, Ohio State. Again,

754
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Speaker 1: we're comparing Ohio State to previous renditions of Ohio State LSU.

755
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Speaker 1: I guess we're doing that to some extent, But everyone's

756
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: so wowed by the offense that it's way easier to

757
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: just take them in a vacuum in twenty nineteen to

758
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Speaker 1: beat the two teams that they've beaten.

759
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Speaker 3: No matter your opinion of Texas with that level of talent,

760
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Speaker 3: especially on the road, is it's just crazy.

761
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Speaker 1: So I think you can.

762
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Speaker 3: Evaluate all these teams accurately. It's just so specific to

763
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Speaker 3: Alabama and Clemson because we've seen the heights that they're

764
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: capable of reaching. That there's there are certain assumptions that

765
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Speaker 3: we make because it's still Dabbo, still Brent Venables, it's

766
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,760
Speaker 3: still to a it's still Nick Saban where you're like, Okay,

767
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: well they have this track record, so it's easy to say, Okay,

768
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 3: this is the twenty nineteen version of this excellence but

769
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Speaker 3: we probably shouldn't go too far down that road right now.

770
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Speaker 1: Would it be at all possible to you? Yeah, to

771
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Speaker 1: see a close Alabama LSU game. I don't know. Whichever

772
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Speaker 1: team wins goes on to win the SEC championship. M hm,

773
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Speaker 1: they end up in the playoff, but because it was

774
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Speaker 1: a close loss, the other one ends up in a

775
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: playoff as well. Yeah, like Alabama did when they lost

776
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: the Iron Bowl. You have Alabama and LSU in the

777
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: playoff and then for the committee to take Ohio State

778
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: and Oklahoma over Clemson. Is there any possibility of that happening?

779
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Speaker 3: I mean, it depends how they all look. If Oklahoma

780
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: just obliterates the rest of their schedule and beats whoever

781
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: Texas again in the Big Twelve championship game comfortably once again,

782
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 3: and Ohio State lays waste to I guess it would

783
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 3: be what Wisconsin twice in Michigan. Yeah, I think it's possible.

784
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because one of the things that you tweeted out

785
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: earlier was that Clemson is one of what four teams

786
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: halfway through the season that is still yet to play

787
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 1: an opponent with a winning record, and.

788
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Speaker 3: It's hard to hold it against a team when they

789
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: don't lose and the teams they play.

790
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Speaker 1: It's the old Poise State thing, right right, Like you

791
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: are not defined so much by the schedule. You're defined

792
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Speaker 1: by how you execute, how you play when you're out there.

793
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Speaker 1: And Clemson's they scheduled A and M.

794
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 3: They did a home and home with A and M

795
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: thinking that they would be a top fifteen to twenty team,

796
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: So it's not like they scheduled all nothings. And they

797
00:42:57,800 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: have South Carolina at the end of the season, so

798
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 3: it's a above respectable effort scheduling wise.

799
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Speaker 1: Sure, Oh absolutely, I'm I'm just musing over this possibility here.

800
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Speaker 3: I think it's possible depending on how let's say LSU

801
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: lose to Alabama twenty to seventeen. It's impressive, it's last second,

802
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 3: it's overtime, whatever they lose by field goal. It's possible

803
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: depending on how the rest of LSU season goes, if

804
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 3: they're still dominating teams like this, and if Clemson has

805
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: another scare against whoever Louisville this coming week. Louisville, it's possible.

806
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 3: I would I would still tip it as probably unlikely

807
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: the more I think about it. Final feeded Clemson final question.

808
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: This from Okay, Brandon, not Brandon.

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Speaker 1: You want to play another sting sting before we go

810
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: to this big one. I hope that someone gets mom,

811
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Speaker 1: miss Yeah, there it is, buddy. Okay, here we go.

812
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: Get ready. People don't people don't know we had a

813
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: recorder in that vocal booth for sting. He says, I

814
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: was listening to this week's two's cruise. I guess he's

815
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks old. Yeah, weeks old. And I

816
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: noticed Dan say that he would prefer a world without

817
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: a college football national champion. I remember on an older

818
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: pod maybe last year, Dan mentioned this opinion in your

819
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 1: debate regarding the college football playoff. As I recall, Tie

820
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: is for the playoff and Dan is absolutely against it,

821
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Speaker 1: but not just against it, against the idea of a

822
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Speaker 1: national champion in general. What please explain, show your work. Okay,

823
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Speaker 1: Dan Ruvenstein, the floor is give me your official take

824
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: on this matter. I feel like we've had this argument

825
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of times now we have, and we are

826
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: not any closer to understanding the opposing viewpoint.

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Speaker 3: So, okay, I may have exaggerated when I said there

828
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: shouldn't be a national champion.

829
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Speaker 1: I have been not.

830
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 3: I've been not fully on board with the college football Playoff.

831
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Speaker 3: I think it's been a letdown, and I think the

832
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,879
Speaker 3: secret sauce to college football is nowhere near the national championship.

833
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 3: I think the reason people love college football, and I'm

834
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: talking Utsa fans, I'm talking Alabama fans and everything in between. Sorry, Roadrunners,

835
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 3: that was just it. I could have said any team

836
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: Vanderbilt fans.

837
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: But the secret sauce to me, ty is if you

838
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: could bottle it up, that feeling of, oh my god,

839
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: something feels different, we might really have something special this year. Right.

840
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 3: That's the biggest and most important emotion that you can

841
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: feel as a college football fan is a crazy amount

842
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 3: of optimism looking forward. And there's something incredibly charming about that.

843
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: And the college football Playoff is completely devoid of charm.

844
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 3: You have like the Rocket Mortgage stage with Dirk's Bentley.

845
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: Right, Well, is it the playoff that is killing that

846
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 1: optimism or is it the continued dominance of Alabama and Clemson.

847
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: So it's part of that. It is part of it.

848
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 3: But and you look at other sports and they there's

849
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 3: drafts and you play best of seven, you have a

850
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 3: you know, a terrible Warriors franchise suddenly coming dominant. You

851
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 3: have NHL squads jumping up and becoming really good. You

852
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: have the Kansas City Royals winning a World Series. There

853
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: is something nice about that. But there is something great

854
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 3: about watching an excellent football game, like what a few

855
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 3: years ago. That Deshaun Watson game was incredible. So I

856
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: like those high level games, and it's cool to win

857
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: a national championship. I just I find myself caring less

858
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: and less as the season goes on, because when does

859
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: when does an ole misfan care the most that they

860
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 3: win the Peach Bowl or the Sugar Bowl. I forget

861
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: which one they beat Oklahoma State, and or when they

862
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: beat Alabama.

863
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 1: Right like you don't.

864
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 3: It's it's to such a crazy degree the Alabama win

865
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 3: over something in the postseason. I know that wasn't a

866
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: national championship. That wasn't a playoff. I've been I've seen

867
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: my team lose a playoff game. I've seen my team

868
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: win a playoff game, and they're fine, they're fun, But

869
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 3: in terms of why the sport is fun and the

870
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: competitive balance of the sport, I just find myself not caring.

871
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: And if it's a BCS system that all almost feels

872
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: better because it's less drawn out. Well, if we go

873
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 3: back to the old system where it's like a penn

874
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 3: State Nebraska Orange Bowl here and then a Michigan USC

875
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 3: Rose Bowl there, and we have a fine.

876
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: I just want the games to be fun and I

877
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: want that. I want it.

878
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 3: I want to keep all of our focus on week

879
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: ten because the way we point to the postseason now

880
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 3: with going to Minnesota and I love New Minneapolis, or

881
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 3: we go to Chicago, or we go to Tampa. We're

882
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: playing these NFL stadiums, it just it sucks every last

883
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 3: bit of amazing charm out of the sport.

884
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: Ty. Where did you get married? You got married at

885
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: le High University. You got married at Lehigh University in

886
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: Eastern PA. Correct? And you and your wife both grew

887
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: up in Eastern PA. Correct. Right? And you went to school,

888
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: both of you in the state of Pennsylvania. Correct. Would

889
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: it have been strange if you were like, let's get

890
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: married like at the Berje Khalifa in Dubai. People do that, Dan,

891
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: I understand destination wedding.

892
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 3: Let's get married in like that fifteen thousand story building

893
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 3: in Hong Kong. Nothing against skyscrapers. Skyscrapers are great. I

894
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 3: got married in a venue, in a building. But there's

895
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,720
Speaker 3: something about the way the season goes that the direction

896
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 3: that goes with the playoff, that gets rid of Floyd

897
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: of Rosedale, that gets rid of the territorial cup, that

898
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 3: gets rid of Cale, Garrett and MISSOI like there's something

899
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 3: that there's a it's a dice in suction of bummering.

900
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: Well, you're saying it's disconnect is the playoff? It's totally disconnected.

901
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: There's a disconnect. It cheapens the accomplishment of winning a

902
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: national championship to me. Well, I'll say this, and I

903
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: don't fully agree with your viewpoint here, as is well documented,

904
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: but we actually do have some data to suggest that

905
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: you're right, or at least you're not the only person

906
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: feeling this way. Our playoff shows, our playoff preview shows

907
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: or playoff recap shows, yeah, never do as well. Well

908
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: now I'm just looking at downloads, to be honest, it's

909
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: a show about honesty. Those shows never do as well

910
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: as even like a week eleven preview show when there

911
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: are a lot of fans who have already tuned out

912
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: college football. They never do as well, And it could

913
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: be because you've only got a couple fan bases that

914
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: are interested as opposed to Week seven, when everyone is

915
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: still fully engaged. I've never quite put my finger on it,

916
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: though that seems like the most logical explanation. There is

917
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: definitely some merit to what you're saying. I just have

918
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: a hard time fully subscribing because for me, as a

919
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: college football fan, as a sports fan, you play to

920
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: win the game. Not to steal the line from her Edwards,

921
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,399
Speaker 1: but you play to win the game. And the way

922
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: that you win that championship In pretty much every other sport,

923
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: maybe with the exception of like Premier League soccer, is

924
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: there's a tournament at the end. I'm just sort of

925
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: conditioned for that tournament. That's what I want at the

926
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 1: end as my payoffs for being a fan. The first

927
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty seven years or something of the sport,

928
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: there wasn't this sort of organized concentration on a national

929
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make it better. It doesn't make it better,

930
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: but it means the roots of the sport are in

931
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 1: the actual season and the actual process. Rather, you know,

932
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: it's it's in the means, not the ends. I think

933
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: the ball experience is great. Sure, I don't think they

934
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: should ever lose that. That is as much a part

935
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: of college football as anything. Right, It sticks in my

936
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: crawl a little bit that everyone's playing exhibition games at

937
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: the end of the year. But the ball experience is

938
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: very meaningful to a lot of kids who play college football.

939
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking about the Alabamas, but the leaders

940
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: up on the balls than I have been, and more

941
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: down on the playoff, the Toledos, the Acrons like teams

942
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: like that. The ball experience is a big deal. Se Yeah, boys,

943
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: it's a big deal. So we should never lose that

944
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: component of college football. But with the way that the

945
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: game has accelerated, both in terms of what we're seeing

946
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: on the field, what we're seeing off the field with facilities,

947
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: what we're seeing with the money going into college football,

948
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: they're just there needs to be a bigger payoff than

949
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,919
Speaker 1: two teams that were arbitrarily put together because it would

950
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: make for an interesting bowl matchup, and then we give

951
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: writers a chance to decide who the best team is.

952
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: I am not in favor of that at all. Oh,

953
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: I love it, I hate it. I'm backing on it.

954
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm good with computers. I'm good with writers. I am

955
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:34,879
Speaker 1: completely out on committees. I am out on writers deciding Wow,

956
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 1: man screw that, man disagree. And we know a lot

957
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: of good writers. But have you been to a mid

958
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: tier bowl game? I have not. Oh my gosh, ty,

959
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: I've been to multiple Holiday Bowls when it was like

960
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: the number two Pac ten Pac twelve game had the

961
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: time of my life. It was like a Rett Bomar Oklahoma,

962
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: Oh Boy, deep cut Oregon.

963
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: Oklahoma and then Oregon Oklahoma State and it was something

964
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: so like it was warm, was falling apart and dilapidated garbage.

965
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: You grow with your friends. You get in for a

966
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 3: reasonable price, and you get two teams that, for the

967
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 3: most part, no matter which game you're watching. And sometimes

968
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 3: there's coaching changes and now players sit out because they

969
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 3: don't want their NFL stock affected. For the most part,

970
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 3: you get teams that want to go out on a

971
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: high note, and there's something pretty great about that. I

972
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: just I've been to playoffs. I mean I went to

973
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: see a National championship at Jerry World and there was

974
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 3: a FOURD dealership.

975
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,959
Speaker 1: The only game, the only game that comes to mind.

976
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 1: I was at a game in Arizona between Auburn and Oregon, right,

977
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: be the closest success mid Tier Bowl. But wow, you're

978
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: calling the National Championship mid tier that was be the

979
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: closest game. Oh my god, I think of so cruel.

980
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: Not everything's the Red Box Bowl, you know.

981
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 3: Right, I'm waiting for my hat. I've got a head

982
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: that's getting cold.

983
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: Tie.

984
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 3: I'm just the grander point is, I don't look back

985
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,799
Speaker 3: on seasons and think about, you know, Trevor Lawrence and

986
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 3: his incredible passes against Alabama. They're becoming less and less upsets.

987
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: So like, Okay, one year, Ohio State's gonna win, one year,

988
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 3: Alabama's gonna win. Next year Alabama's gonna win, then Clemson's

989
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: going to win. A year or two that they're not

990
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: upsets anymore. It's it's almost becoming an inevitability. So I'd

991
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 3: rather just think about Dilly bar Dan. I'd rather just remember,

992
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 3: you know, a wild Iowa State upset. I'd rather remember

993
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: Mackenzie Milton.

994
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: And things like that.

995
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 3: The things that are George Kittle getting one pass in

996
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: the Battle for the Heartland Trophy.

997
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: His point's per play is seven out of.

998
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: Control this and that's where that's where the Playoff is

999
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: pushing me though, all right, that's where it is.

1000
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. I'm still a fan of the Playoff.

1001
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: I've been favor of them going to sixteen. I'd be

1002
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: in favor of more Playoff. I just maybe I'm a purist.

1003
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: I feel like you need to decide who the best

1004
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: team is on the field. Don't let people vote on it,

1005
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: play it out. It just feels like wrapping bacon around

1006
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 1: everything played out, just like now I'm a principal band.

1007
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 1: Then that's what I'm saying. I'm out, all right, Well

1008
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 1: writ and let us know what you think. We're at

1009
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: solidverbal on Twitter, Soliverble on Instagram, Solid Verbal on Facebook

1010
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: as well. There's also a subreddit at soliverble dot reddit

1011
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: dot com. You can check out conversation over there. Gover

1012
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: Baller's talking twenty four to seven about the show. Always

1013
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: welcome people to subscribe as well. Apple, Google, Spotify, Stitch

1014
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,720
Speaker 1: or tune in. Leave us a review or a star

1015
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: rating if you like what you hear. There's been the

1016
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: tuoes cruise Dan as we I'm.

1017
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 3: Checking to see if Dilly bar Dan has been Milkshake

1018
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 3: duct and so far it appears he hasn't been.

1019
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: So okay good, thank god sort of coming into doc here, Dan,

1020
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: we would encourage everyone to listen to our show on Thursday.

1021
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: We're going to preview week eight. Not as loaded a

1022
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: slate as we saw on Worldwide Saturday back in week seven,

1023
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: but a few interesting games. Got a bunch on the list.

1024
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: Your Oregon dots against Washington should be interesting. Penn State,

1025
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: Michigan have a lot to talk about on that front

1026
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: as well, So a bunch of games, go back through

1027
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: them all on Thursday, Dan, any parting shots here before

1028
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: we want to find people go, that's.

1029
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 3: All I got, just gotta go drink some water, maybe

1030
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 3: eat some limes so I don't get some scurry.

1031
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: All right, for that guy over there, my good friend

1032
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: Dan Rubenstein, excuse me, Lieutenant Commander Dan Rubinstein. For myself,

1033
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm Captain Tye Have. I'm going to catch you all

1034
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: on Thursday. In the meantime, stay song, Piace