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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut tuning and this is the NFL Player's second

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Speaker 4: I just thought you were a little loud and I

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Speaker 4: who is our guest today, Our beautiful Lively guest today.

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Speaker 2: He is Lively uh NFL pro fourteen year career, VETT

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Speaker 2: two Pro Bowl, super Bowl champion, world class magician. I

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Speaker 2: think he might be Bom Thugs and Harmonies Number one

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Speaker 2: fan Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome John Dornballs to the show.

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Speaker 1: Cool to be here, show, Thank you, two legends right here.

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Speaker 3: I gotta get that money.

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Speaker 1: You know what I told him before the show started.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge Bone Tucks fan. So we've been we've

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Speaker 1: been getting at it right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Who's Who's who? Just say your favor crazy, crazy, crazy.

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Speaker 1: But then you got lazy coming in with that high

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Speaker 1: you know, busy. You gotta like busy howder p Many's

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Speaker 1: debut on there on the Old Ghetto Cowboy crazy man,

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a I'm a crazy fan till the

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Speaker 1: day I die.

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Speaker 3: And he definitely rapped a lot.

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Speaker 2: He was in here like Buddy Rabbit on eight Mile,

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Speaker 2: rapping all the songs. Just let y'all know, hold on.

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Speaker 1: I thought you meant like crazy was here, because you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he was here, Like wait a minute, here.

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Speaker 2: He's looking around. No, he's definitely not here right now.

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Speaker 3: He is definitely a here.

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Speaker 2: So where are you living at right now?

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Speaker 1: Hey? I live so right now we're in LA. I

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Speaker 1: live like hour and ten minutes south. I live in

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Speaker 1: And I'll never forget thirteen fourteen years old, They're like, yo,

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Speaker 1: So I get on my bike start pedaling. Four hours later, man,

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Speaker 1: I still in at the beach. It was like a

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Speaker 1: It was nice. The most beautiful I've ever seen this

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Speaker 1: So I would sneak into this place for like twenty years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: when I could afford to move there, Man, I would

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Speaker 1: go buy this house every day and we live in

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Speaker 2: That's what's up man.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jim Carrey said it best. He goes, I

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Speaker 1: can manifest things like like no other. I believe in it.

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Speaker 1: If you believe in it, you believe in yourself crazy

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Speaker 1: things can happen. So I went by this house forever,

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Speaker 1: and you know your mine will find energy, will find

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Speaker 4: I need to keep reminding myself of that when I'm golfing,

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Speaker 4: because I'm like, ah, I suck, and that's the same

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 4: Man out there, I need to be more positive. Talks

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Speaker 1: Man. I don't play a lot. I gave these kids

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Speaker 1: And then when I hit a whole three, it is

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Speaker 3: How are you enjoying fatherhood? You have a young daughter, Amaya.

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Speaker 1: Love man, greatest thing in the world. So like, I'm

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Speaker 1: that was the only attitude I took is I'm going

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Speaker 4: I saw on a YouTube video that you took video

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Speaker 1: Dude. It was the William Wallace version of a check dude.

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Speaker 1: So like, okay, we played We've been there I don't

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Speaker 1: So I'd never seen her in that moment, Like I

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, it's go time. Ain't no

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Speaker 1: Zero, and they're like, hey, we're either going to see

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Speaker 1: So we take her out, and my wife gets her

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Speaker 1: and she whispered to herself, she said, I did it,

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Speaker 2: So twenty seventeen, the Eagles they call you up and

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Speaker 2: they say you're gonna get traded to the Saints, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, which is crazy for so many reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy for so many reasons. But I think it's

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Speaker 1: And I'm a what tell me?

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Speaker 5: Talk to me, you know what I mean. So I

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Speaker 1: I thought I was worth more fifteen years later than

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Speaker 1: I was in my prime as a twenty three year old. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So you get there, and I think normally when you

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Speaker 2: have surgery. My question is, are you mad that you

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Speaker 1: Okay? Is a lot of great questions. Uh so here's rappens.

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Speaker 1: So they say they're gonna trade me. Right in my mind,

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Speaker 1: I'm mister Eagle bro most executive games played as an Eagle,

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Speaker 1: Longest tenured athlete in the state, America's got talent. Fans

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Speaker 3: Most tenured athlete in the in the state, in the state.

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Speaker 2: He's been asked that question?

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I'm on panels with like Hall

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Speaker 1: Got this? How many people every sport in the state? Now? Anybody? No? Okay,

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Speaker 1: agree with it or not. It's happening. So the sooner

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Speaker 1: And when you can do that, it just frees bitterness

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Speaker 1: before a game doctors were out of town. Got to

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Speaker 1: to be a long snapper and to be traded for

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Speaker 1: that don't happen too often, right, it does breaking records.

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Speaker 1: So I got to New Orleans, I played in the game,

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Speaker 1: And so they heard what's called the murmur. Now, look,

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Speaker 2: That's really cool. I've never known that. But just to

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Speaker 1: surgery that I needed was a guy named Joseph Bavaria.

434
00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:48,680
Speaker 1: And I show up and I meet him and he's

435
00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,520
Speaker 1: back in Philly. I still got my condo there, so

436
00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,840
Speaker 1: we're home. It's good. And he goes, you know what,

437
00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:54,520
Speaker 1: you should be thankful, and I go, why is that?

438
00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,040
Speaker 1: He goes, because if you they would have caught this

439
00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,320
Speaker 1: earlier and you might have got three, four, five years less.

440
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,520
Speaker 1: But the reality is your life and we're going to

441
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,439
Speaker 1: fix it. So if anything, be very thankful that it

442
00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:06,600
Speaker 1: went undetected, because you snuck a few more years out.

443
00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,439
Speaker 1: And now look you're thirty eight, thirty nine, like really

444
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, probably a time you were retired anyways,

445
00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,639
Speaker 1: and now, hey, you're in the speaking business, entertainment business, like,

446
00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,359
Speaker 1: if anything, that's a nice little media hit for you.

447
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,880
Speaker 1: You know. He cracked a joke and I'm like, hey,

448
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:22,600
Speaker 1: you know what boom? I like the way you think.

449
00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:26,640
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wasn't angry at anybody. Man. I think

450
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:29,199
Speaker 1: I think things happen and I think you know, he

451
00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:31,760
Speaker 1: did ask me two very interesting questions. He says, one,

452
00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,280
Speaker 1: did you have any of the side effects? Like, did

453
00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,119
Speaker 1: you have a side effect for this condition? I don't know.

454
00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,800
Speaker 1: Well what's the side effect? He goes, were you ever

455
00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,240
Speaker 1: out of breath? I'm sorry, out of breath? Have you

456
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,159
Speaker 1: have you seen me compared to the dude's on runway.

457
00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,800
Speaker 1: I've been out of breath for twenty five years, bro,

458
00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:46,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He goes, Okay, does your

459
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,359
Speaker 1: back hurt? Does my back hurt? Have you seen what

460
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,960
Speaker 1: I've been doing? I've been My back's been hurting for

461
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,760
Speaker 1: twenty five years. But interesting, I was getting six massages

462
00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,280
Speaker 1: a week. Your middle back muscles right here, middle of

463
00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 1: the back on the site that's called your quadraatest on

464
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:02,320
Speaker 1: the q q O. Baby, let me tell you this

465
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,639
Speaker 1: pre heart surgery. Do you see that little lingo right there?

466
00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 1: You see him throw that out pre heart surgery. But

467
00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,280
Speaker 1: I've never known that. Now got the QO. Okay, if

468
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,040
Speaker 1: that's hurting a lot and you can't really get rid

469
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 1: of it and it's constantly aching, it's heart. It ain't

470
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 1: your back, it's your heart. So I'm sitting here get massage,

471
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,320
Speaker 1: just thinking my back whole time. Heart. So I kind

472
00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,239
Speaker 1: of learned all these different side effects on how your

473
00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,680
Speaker 1: body reacts. Oh, if this is going on, it's your heart.

474
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,479
Speaker 3: What Yeah, I knew nothing crazy. We're going to take

475
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 3: a short break and we'll be right back.

476
00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,560
Speaker 4: So this part's your heart problem that end your career.

477
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,200
Speaker 4: You lost both your parents at the age of twelve.

478
00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 4: Unfortunately your foster care your family steps in takes care

479
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 4: of you. All these things have been really, really hard.

480
00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:55,040
Speaker 4: But there's something about you that you have this unrelenting

481
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 4: optimism in life.

482
00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: Where does that come from?

483
00:19:59,359 --> 00:19:59,479
Speaker 1: Like?

484
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:00,720
Speaker 3: How did you you developed that?

485
00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 4: Especially after losing both your parents and kind of going

486
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:07,560
Speaker 4: through what you went through. And I wrote down your

487
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 4: three things, but is that really like how did you

488
00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,000
Speaker 4: develop this?

489
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: So when I was so, I had I had some

490
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 1: heroes growing up man. My mom my dad were my

491
00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: heroes for different reason. You know, my dad coached my

492
00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: team's president little league. I want to be just like him.

493
00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 1: I was a huge Shadow Marriage fan because we live

494
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 1: in Seattle, so my dad would pull the car up

495
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,080
Speaker 1: if he was late from work. We lived on a

496
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 1: little hill of the driveway and he turned the lights

497
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 1: on and he'd throw me a fly ball like Griffy

498
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 1: and I'd have to block the car light like he

499
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,720
Speaker 1: would in the Kingdom. I was a big Griffy fan,

500
00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 1: and I want to be just like him. At my mom,

501
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: I had a, like I said, my reading comprehension in

502
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 1: my brain's like. So she kind of volunteered and she

503
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,359
Speaker 1: started this reading program at my elementary school and it

504
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,879
Speaker 1: kind of helped kids like me learn And so the

505
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:46,879
Speaker 1: cool kids start to like my mom because there's you

506
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so what I learned from both,

507
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: and really what I learned from my mom over time,

508
00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: was the reasons you're different and the reasons that you

509
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: feel insecure at times, especially when you're your young kid.

510
00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 1: That might be the reason why you're beautiful, That might

511
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 1: be the reason why the world needs you, and that

512
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 1: might be the reason why you're here. So just take

513
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: a deep breath and let the world catch up to you,

514
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Yeah, and embrace your difference.

515
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,359
Speaker 1: So when I was twelve years old, I went home

516
00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: and my father murdered my mother out of nowhere. He

517
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 1: was a bench grinder and a sledgehammer and hit her

518
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 1: a lot, and so he turned himself in the next day.

519
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: At the time in Washington, first degree murder, which the

520
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 1: difference between first and second first degree is I wrote

521
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 1: it down. I planned it, I hired a hitman, premeditated right,

522
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: first degree murder was life or I think the death

523
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,199
Speaker 1: penalty second degree murder, which is we can't really plan it.

524
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: There was an argument, doesn't matter the motive. Things happen.

525
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 1: Max penalty was thirteen years eight months. So I think

526
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 1: my dad, I don't know, but my guess is that

527
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: night he might have thought about trying to get away

528
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: with it and figured out I could either get life

529
00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: or death or thirteen eight, you know, so turn himself

530
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,679
Speaker 1: in the next day he got thirteen eight, which when

531
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: you're a kid is like forever. Yeah, that seems like forever.

532
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: And since I went home, I had to testify against

533
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:08,400
Speaker 1: my dad and then we went into temporary foster care

534
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: for about eight nine ten months, and my sister finished

535
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 1: junior high I finished elementary school, and we went through

536
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: the most intense therapy you could possibly imagine, and it

537
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 1: was super intense. And you know, from going in the

538
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,879
Speaker 1: garage where everything happened in writing the letter to my

539
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 1: mom to viewing the autopsy photos in a private session

540
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: at the DA's office, which if you don't know what

541
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: an autopsy photos, it's for the listeners. It's they basically

542
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: take pictures of a body and they try and figure

543
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: out all the injuries and then what caused the death. Right,

544
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: So now you're looking at your mom in a way

545
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: you never ever want to see anybody.

546
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: How old are you at this time? Twelve twelve?

547
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: And you're old enough to fully understand, but you're also

548
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:55,160
Speaker 1: old enough to not realize the direction you need to go.

549
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: So the people that are taking you on that journey

550
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: ultimately are going to be the ones to either think

551
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,199
Speaker 1: or not think on how I end up. Right, My

552
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: therapist was amazing, My grandparents on my mom's side, my

553
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: aunt who ended up taking my sister and I in.

554
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: So we do all this stuff over those ten months,

555
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 1: and I knew after we left the foster care temporary

556
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: foster care family in Seattle and we moved down to

557
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: southern California with my aunt, which is right down here

558
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,439
Speaker 1: in Garden Grove, who was my mom's sister. I knew

559
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: that I wanted my name to be a headline, you know.

560
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: I wanted it to be a jersey. I wanted it

561
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: to be something that people could be proud of. I

562
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: didn't want it to be the headline that my dad had.

563
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: I didn't want people to think of my last name

564
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: and think of that. I wanted them to think of

565
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: something great. And I was kind of an old soul

566
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,880
Speaker 1: because of the therapy that I kind of went through,

567
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 1: and I just knew I wanted better. And I knew

568
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 1: that there was one picture of my mom that I

569
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: saw and I'll never forget it, and it was her

570
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 1: left hand and had eleven cuts, eleven bruises, and they

571
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: said this was her protecting herself on the way down.

572
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 1: And I got a wife now and a kid, and

573
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: I think of that picture her every day because I

574
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: think about she was protecting everything she loved to the end. Yeah,

575
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: and I gotta find I gotta find motivation and defeed,

576
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 1: I gotta find something to take a story and grab

577
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: hold of something. I got to come to terms my reality,

578
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: find forgiveness and find hope and happiness. Right, And so

579
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: what I took from that picture is be that to

580
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 1: the very end, protect everything you love with everything you got.

581
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: And that's what I've tried to do. Protect my family,

582
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: my friends, myself, who I am in this world, who

583
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: I can be for my daughter? And you're right, I

584
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 1: am an. I'm an optimist. I want to live life

585
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: because I've been to hell and I don't want to

586
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: go back. And I am the happiest dude I've ever met.

587
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: Bro, No, I hear it.

588
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: I mean yeah you should. I wish we'd had the

589
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 4: cameras roll than when he first walked in here.

590
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: It was yelling. He had his boy on face time. Yeah,

591
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 3: it was going down.

592
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: So every day, every day, no matter what. And look,

593
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: all these people are on social I like him, you

594
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, go against jocko. Bro. They all

595
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: got there. But before I get like hype like that.

596
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 1: Every day when I wake up, I get up, I

597
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: look outside and I just say, it's a great day

598
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: to be alive.

599
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.

600
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: I just give appreciation for the day, no matter how

601
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: bad this day, the day yesterday was, or this day

602
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: might be. At the end of the day, A man,

603
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: it's a great day to be alive, because I know

604
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 1: people that aren't. So it's a great day to be

605
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: right here. Live is magic. It's a great day to

606
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: be alive. Baby. I wear it every day, I see it,

607
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: I feel it. Man, come on, maybe I just came

608
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: out with these. It's a prototype, right, you know. I'll

609
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: mail you whatever you I got all kinds of them comforting,

610
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: but it's a great day to be alive. And so

611
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: I try and just look, life's hard for everybody.

612
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: It is.

613
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: I don't care who you are. I don't you know.

614
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: And what I've learned is it don't matter how much

615
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: money you got, your race, your religion, where you're from,

616
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: all our differences. We can get rid of all our

617
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: differences and just realize that everybody in this world knows

618
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: what it's like to struggle. We all know what it's

619
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: like to just feel like we're drowning and I just

620
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: need a second to catch my breath, right. And what

621
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I've dissected in life is that the difference between people

622
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: is that moment right there. That's the only difference. How

623
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: quick it takes to stand up and live in vision

624
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: or how long do you stay down and live in circumstance.

625
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: That's what separates people. That's it. And so I try

626
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: and be that guy that's gonna stand up living vision.

627
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: Moments in time will never ever define me. They're going

628
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: to rEFInd me. And I had these little these little hitters, right,

629
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: these little quotes that I live by, and I I

630
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: try and live by it. And so but no matter what, man,

631
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: it's a great day to be alive. Just start with that, bro,

632
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: and just see where your life takes you.

633
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

634
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 2: So I know you your your dad, he's gotten out

635
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: of prison. Yeah, And I know you've you've met up

636
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: with them, right yep, and you forgave them. Now, how

637
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: hard was that? How how man explain that process?

638
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: That was a that was a very intense day. And

639
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 1: so what happened was I got a buddy named Riley Smith.

640
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: He was in a movie called Radio with Cuba Gooding

641
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 1: Junior in Paris.

642
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:50,880
Speaker 3: Great movie.

643
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: So he was number three on the call sheet. He

644
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: was Johnny the the white kid basketball player that kind

645
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: of make fun of.

646
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was kind of the mean kid.

647
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, we bean kid. He was a bully. And so

648
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: he's like, yo, man, this dude doing this movie. His

649
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: name is Mike Tolan. He's really cool, diehard Eagles fan.

650
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: We got to do a movie on your life, bro,

651
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: He's got to be the one to do it. And

652
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: this was a long time ago, so, long story short,

653
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: I'm with the Eagles a long time. Mike's an Eagles fan.

654
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: Mike Tolan he did the Last Dance. Did you guys

655
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: see Stand? Yeah? Oh he did Stand. So he does

656
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: a lot of documentary's done a lot of movies. So,

657
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: long story short, he's the only name I had on

658
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: my little vision board. So if everybody's gonna make a

659
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: movie about me, it's gonna be tolling. Yeah. And sure enough,

660
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: he hit me up and says, hey, you ever writing

661
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: a book. I go no, I'm trying, but he goes,

662
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: all right, I got a guy. He'll do the interviews,

663
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: Larry Platt, I'll option the book, and I'd like to

664
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: make a movie about your life. And I was like, okay,

665
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: that's pretty easy. We write the book, right, and then

666
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm going into heart surgery. So

667
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: there's another ending, okay, And then all of a sudden,

668
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, man, if I'm going to practice what

669
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: I preach, I can't write about this and not go

670
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: see my dad. So I had I've always been I've

671
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: always been curious on what he looks like, what he

672
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: sounds like, but nothing in life stemmed action. Actually wanted

673
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 1: to make an effort to go see him. And then

674
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: I was writing this book, and then my wife got pregnant,

675
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: and I realized that I had my hands on her belly,

676
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: and I looked at her and said, you know, there's

677
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: three words I've never said out loud to anybody. And

678
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 1: she just goes, what's that? F you A hole? You

679
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean? No, I've said that, but she goes.

680
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: I go, I've never said I forgive you to anybody

681
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: in my life, and I go, I think it's time

682
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: I go see my dad. And she just went whoa.

683
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: So it was life come in full circle. Where I

684
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 1: was writing my story finding Forgiveness, my wife got pregnant,

685
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: and now there was, all of a sudden a reason

686
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: to go see him. And so I hadn't seen him

687
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: in like twenty eight twenty nine years. We sat for

688
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: five and a half hours. I had a show in

689
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: Canada and I was going to Vegas, so we just

690
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: stopped where he was living at the time and sat

691
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: with him five and a half hours. And it was super,

692
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: super intense. I didn't know what to expect, but I

693
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: learned to redefine what the word forgiveness means to me.

694
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: And I think a majority of people, forgiveness is about winning.

695
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: It's about one upping, It's about I'm right, you're wrong.

696
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 1: And I was that guy probably for a long time.

697
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: And then I realized that my daughter didn't ask to

698
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: be here, and if I really want to be the

699
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 1: greatest dad I can be, I got to give everything

700
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: I got. Do I have it? I don't think I

701
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: got it because I got a little cloud of bitterness

702
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: and hate back here holding it in man. And so

703
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: I realized that forgiveness for me is not about the

704
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: other person. I could care less what my dad thought.

705
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: I could care interesting here about this. I didn't tell

706
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: any of my family. My grandparents were alive at the time,

707
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I didn't tell them, didn't tell my aunt, didn't tell

708
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: any friends.

709
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: Do you think they they're about to walk through? Like talk?

710
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: Style was why I didn't know, but I knew this.

711
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: I didn't care. I didn't care if you supported it,

712
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't care if you didn't want me to

713
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: do it. So why am I going to talk to

714
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: you about it? Like I didn't care about their opinion?

715
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,479
Speaker 1: For once in my life, I didn't care about anybody

716
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: else's opinion because I'm doing this for me. Nobody else.

717
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: My wife knew, and I got my buddy Tim new,

718
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: so for me. Forgiveness. Two people get this great, great analogy.

719
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: Two people get married, they get divorced. One person's like,

720
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: oh I'm out.

721
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 5: Baby people Las Vegas. Peace out, man. I ain't never

722
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 5: looking back. Freedom right.

723
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: The other person is bitter and angry for ten or

724
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: twenty years, that person that divorced me. That's the reason

725
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: that I'm broke. That's the reason I'm miserable. That's the

726
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: reason I'm depressed. A part of me was that person.

727
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: So I was sitting here going, wait a minute, somebody

728
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: who's no longer in my life is affecting my life. Dude.

729
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela got releasedrom prison. I read this quote. Blew

730
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: my mind. When I'm in prison, I'm a free man.

731
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: I told all the inmates. If the guards don't hold

732
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: our souls were free men. We'll build a wall, We'll

733
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: do whatever we gotta do. He got out of prison

734
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: and became so bitter and resentful for the time he

735
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: lost that he said he wasn't in prison till he

736
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: was out, and he realized that a moment in time

737
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: that was no longer in his life was affecting his

738
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: life and he needed to deal with that. So here,

739
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: I got a guy in my life who's no longer

740
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: in my life, that's affecting my life. That's me I'm losing, right,

741
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: So for me to go forgive him was my first

742
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: symbolic step of someone who is no longer in my

743
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: life will no longer affect my life. And it was

744
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: the greatest thing I did. And let me tell you

745
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: everything you could think of. I wanted to punch him

746
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: in the face. And then there was a time where

747
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: I just wanted the world to disappear and I just

748
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: wanted to have lunch with my dad. I wanted to

749
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: forget anything happened, and I wanted just to tell him

750
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: that I got a scholarship and like, hey, you're gonna

751
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: go to an NFL game, and like that like, there

752
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: was a minute where I just wanted to just.

753
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 7: Pretend like he was back to being your hero again.

754
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 7: And then that's powerful. Yeah, and then that went away quick.

755
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 7: And then but I went through everything you can imagine,

756
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,479
Speaker 7: and I think, you know when when I got invited

757
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 7: on this podcast, I think, and it is kind of

758
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 7: the second act, the second part of life.

759
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: It hit me. While I'm really thankful I got to

760
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: play fourteen years in the league. I've been around the

761
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: world's best at planning, process, discipline, accountability, teamwork, wanting to

762
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: be a part of something, wanting to be a teammate,

763
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: want just you guys been there, everything that we were

764
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: surrounded with, Shame on me if I don't take that

765
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: with me in every aspect of my life. You know,

766
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: hardest adjustment getting out of the legue for me was

767
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: dealing with morons like I hate to say it, but

768
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: like mediocracy. Hey, eight o'clock meeting now, eight ten, eight twelve.

769
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: It drives me nuts. Yeah, right, because we've been we

770
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: trained is the wrong word. We've been taught a great

771
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: way to live life. So I went in to see

772
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: my dad like that. I went in with a game plan.

773
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: I wrote it out you know, forgiveness is for me,

774
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: clear my heart, my soul, don't hate, don't blame, forgive.

775
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: And I said, no matter what happens, whatever emotion I have,

776
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: it's not greater than this, So just stick with it. Yeah,

777
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: and I did, and it was the best thing I

778
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: ever did. It was hard, and I'm very thankful because

779
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: I did something that a lot of people would not

780
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: have done.

781
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: No, that's tough.

782
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 2: I guess My follow up question is that do you

783
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: still keep in contact with your dad today?

784
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? So we took a selfie or I took a

785
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: picture with him. I wanted it for me and my wife,

786
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, And this is funny talk about being present

787
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: in yourself. When we took a picture, I literally almost

788
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: put my arm around him and smiled and did the

789
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: suki because when fans come up to you, you get picture mode,

790
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I literally stopped and

791
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: I was like, this is that's weird, And I'm like,

792
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: just how do you feel? And I just put my

793
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: arms down and I just like I stood at the

794
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: camera and my face is saying holy, I just had

795
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: lunch with my dad. And my wife saw the picture

796
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: and she's like, I've known you for ten years. I've

797
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: seen pictures from you your whole life. This is the

798
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: only picture I've ever seen where you're not smiling. So

799
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: I picture I have not smiling. And so he wanted

800
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: to go on a bike ride through the mountains and stuff,

801
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, hey man, I'm cool. I never wanted it.

802
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: Know how I would feel after? Yeah, For me, it

803
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: was the books closed. I realized I wasn't there to

804
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: continue a relationship. I wasn't needing his approval, I wasn't

805
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: needing his opinion. I wasn't needing anything from him. But

806
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: I often ask myself if if for whatever reason, I'm

807
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: in a situation where my kid disowns me for whatever reason,

808
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: what would it mean to me if I my kid

809
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: came and saw me, yeah, and how would I act

810
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: and what would I say? And all this is happening

811
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: after right, So yeah, no, no, contact don't want it.

812
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: He reached out once and then he's kind of respected

813
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: my mind. Yeah, and I think he was shocked to that.

814
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he was expecting.

815
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 3: You just stop by. Yeah, I don't think.

816
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: No, I don't think he was expecting me to say

817
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: I forgive you.

818
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

819
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 2: What is it about magic? Clearly, you're you're an amazing,

820
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: amazing magician. You've been on America's Got Talent, You've done

821
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 2: all types of shows, you do shows at the Pro

822
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: Bowl like you just you were. Everyone knows you about

823
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: this magic, right? What is it about magic that helped

824
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 2: you cope with losing your mind?

825
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 4: And one other question, did Sean Payton tell you that

826
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 4: he probably wanted to bring you in?

827
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 3: Because yes, that is true.

828
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: That's true.

829
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: I've seen him draft guys late and he was like, dude,

830
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 4: I saw him on YouTube.

831
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: He had this video. I want to get him in. Yeah,

832
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: so he did admit that.

833
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: He actually goes. Look, man, Manton wanted you as a snapper.

834
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: We need to fill that position. I loved it. You're

835
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: good enough to play. But the real reason is we

836
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: need some tricks before team meetings. Okay, look, I want

837
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: the magic man in this locker room.

838
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: And I was magic.

839
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: But now you see me, Now you don't, baby, Let's go.

840
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: You know, so I was I was twelve years old

841
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: in this transition and I saw a kid do a trick.

842
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: His name was Michael Groves and I loved it. But

843
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: then when I moved down to southern California, there was

844
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: a TV show called World's Greatest Magic, and this guy

845
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: Bill Malone was on there card trick and he was

846
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: shuffling telling a story, and I was enamored. Now, for me,

847
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: in my life, I wish I saw Jimmy Hendrix or

848
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: Stevie ray Vaughn or Clappton or some guitar player, and

849
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: I picked up a guitar and I could just shred

850
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, But I saw a card guy, and

851
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: so I picked up a deck of cards. There's a

852
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: magician in Orange County named Ken Sands who became a

853
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: mentor for me. Anytime I shuffled the sound of the riffle,

854
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: the world quieted. It is the only thing that I

855
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: can just disappear in and not think about losing my parents,

856
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: foster home, moving, new school, friends, like all these adult

857
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: issues that I was dealing with. I would sit at

858
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: a table and hear the sound of a riffle, and

859
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: I was just a kid. And so you do that

860
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: for thirty years, you get pretty good. And I didn't

861
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: really get into magic necessarily to be like this big magician.

862
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: It was an escape and it was my out and

863
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: in fact, I remember I won. A couple years. I

864
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: didn't do tricks for any of my friends, and all

865
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden we were like some party and there's cards,

866
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: and somebody did like a three rows of seven self

867
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: working card trick, you know, and I was like, oh,

868
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: that's cool, and they're like, oh, do you know any tricks.

869
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I could do some. Imagine that you

870
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't know. Your boy at fourteen plays the guitar and

871
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: he just starts ripping Hendrick Solo's like just ripping it,

872
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: like right. So I studied the world's best when I

873
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: was young, and I learned their stuff, and then I

874
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: started improving, and then I knew I would screw up,

875
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: because that's just me. I'm gonna screw up. So I

876
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: learned five moves that would give me in and out

877
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: of any situation that could make any trick be better.

878
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: You think of a card, I get it wrong. Oh no,

879
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: I just got to learn how to maybe get a

880
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: folded card from a deck that you don't see me

881
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: do and put it in my tennis shoe. And now

882
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: your thought of card has been in my shoe the

883
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: whole time. That's why I couldn't find it better trick.

884
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: So you just got to learn these moves to improv, right,

885
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: So for me, magic was an escape. Yeah. So then

886
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I started doing these tricks, and

887
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: I just remember the room was dead silent, like parents

888
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 1: were there and everybody's just like dead silent because they're.

889
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,280
Speaker 8: Like, whoa, this kid's do imagine you'd take this very seriously? Wow,

890
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 8: you know, I even have a bit, so you know,

891
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 8: now it's cool because there's a trick called Sam the

892
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 8: bell Hop in the six fifty four Club.

893
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: It's the one bill alone diad on TV. And you

894
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: take a new deck of cards and you shuffle and

895
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 1: you tell this story with the cards. And I dreamed

896
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: of being in like a room in a theater and

897
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: like audience is like chuckling at this story. And you know,

898
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: I signed a deal with Tony Robbins, so we do

899
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: arenas and I open with Sam de Bella and I

900
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: sit at a table with twenty thousand people. There's a

901
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: halo light on the table, and I love the fact

902
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: that I can have twenty thousand people go from just

903
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: laughing to like silence, to like chuckling to like laughing

904
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: and it's such a cool moment. And then the moment

905
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: comes full circle on the show later. But manifested, Man,

906
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: we talked about that earlier, right, man, I dreamed of

907
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: that moment, and you got your dog in the shows now, yeah,

908
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: man saying the dog. So my I never wanted to

909
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: be like the magic guy, right. I don't want to

910
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: go on stage and do an hour magic like that's

911
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: lamp and everything I love about magic is like, I

912
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be it. And so my show is

913
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: my life story and the magic I learned all the way.

914
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: And so whether I'm speaking or whether I'm doing theater stuff,

915
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: that's what you get. It's my life story and the

916
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: magical and normal way. So depending on what story I tell,

917
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: I got different tricks to back up those points in

918
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: those stories. So we got a dog after my heart surgery,

919
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: and then we make him appear like Siegfried and Roy

920
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: does the the Tigers.

921
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: It's so cool, man, at least you know the tiger

922
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: and go mall you to do true.

923
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: I mean, a golden golden doodle. I probably deserved it,

924
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

925
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: I don't know how you don't fight them off.

926
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna clap you up on that, and yeah, thank

927
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: you for getting a dog and not a big ass cat.

928
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

929
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: Tell me what was your first magic trick that you

930
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: like mastered? Was it the thumb?

931
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: You know, you break the thing the thumb?

932
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 1: You go like that, that's pretty good. Oh well there's

933
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: this one too, you just grab it. That's good. You

934
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: know what it was. And I wish I had it

935
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: here because I do it, but I don't. You take

936
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: a little red spongeball, uh huh yeah, and oh yeah yeah, yeah,

937
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: like this and then mine disappears and you open yours

938
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: and there's right then you open your hand, there's like

939
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: fifty and then you open your yeah yeah, yeah, yes,

940
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: that was probably the first one where you I would

941
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 1: do it to somebody, right, But cards were always my

942
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: forte man. Cards were always my uh where I would

943
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: want to go. And then I started to learn how

944
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: to track cards, which means I can shuffle and and

945
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: keep track of certain cards. So if you want a

946
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: card to be at twenty third, we'll count down, it'll

947
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: be there. And then all of a sudden you do

948
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: four cards for like poker, and then maybe eight and

949
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: then and then maybe a full deck in story. So

950
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: shuffling is where I get my most That's what I

951
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 1: really do.

952
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: Like, they didn't have Google back then.

953
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: So how are you no? Man?

954
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 2: Is it just were you like literally reading it?

955
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

956
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: Book, Yeah, this is awful VHS, VHS okay.

957
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: And I remember there was one trick on TV and

958
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: I would play pause record and you know I had

959
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: a little zen a television in my room. Yeah, and

960
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: I recorded this TV special and I remember I watched it.

961
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: This thing would be on loop in my bedroom and

962
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: I wash it and wash it and I walk by

963
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: and out of the corner of my eye. Two years later,

964
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: after watching this trick, I walked by an out of

965
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: the corner of my eye, I turned. I was like no,

966
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: and I hit pause, and I'm like, that's the move.

967
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So sometimes you just have to watch

968
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: it over and over before you see it. Before you

969
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: see it. So my reading comprehenis is not very good.

970
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: And I'm left handed, okay, So all magic books are

971
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: written for writing's, so I would get a magic book

972
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: which is already complex. I mean, think about take your

973
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: left thumb rotate eighty to pick up deck, four finger

974
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: and middle finger grab alternating quarters reverse spent, and I'm

975
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 1: just like, and you're trying to visualize this. I would

976
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 1: go through a book and I'd have to cross out

977
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: all the rights and put an L and then cross

978
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: out all the l's and put an R and do

979
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: everything backwards, okay, And then all of a sudden you

980
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: start learning this trick and you think it's amazing, and

981
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 1: then you realize that the trick doesn't work if you're

982
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: a lefty, after you just spent six months trying to

983
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: figure this out working writing because the way the pips

984
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: are on the cards, and then you can't see the card.

985
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, well, so you live and you learn,

986
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

987
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 2: So, so are you amidextrous now with the card tricks

988
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 2: that you do?

989
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: No, I'm a lefty magician, but I could play catch

990
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: with you either way and you wouldn't tell a difference.

991
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: Like I could play catch with the right or left handed.

992
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Like when I would warm vic up before the game,

993
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: I'd go out there like a lefty, you know, no

994
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: big out of it. I'd be a right no big

995
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: d Okay.

996
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: So tell me what was it like? Was it at

997
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 3: this party? What was the first like?

998
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 4: Tell me that feeling when you got the first like

999
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: great response from a crowd or a group of people.

1000
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 3: It was my magic.

1001
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: It was my first love. That was my first love,

1002
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: like it hits you. A friend of mine, Steve Carlson's

1003
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: a musician, and.

1004
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 4: I also want to know when did you let the

1005
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 4: locker room know? Because not everybody comes in like all right, dude.

1006
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: So Bledsoe, you're ready for this. So I signed with

1007
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo and I'm a big Bloodsoell fan because I was

1008
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: in Seattle. He was at Washington State and I didn't

1009
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: watch a lot of football, but you knew Drew Bledsoe. Yes,

1010
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. One hundred million

1011
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: dollar dude. You hear about this guy? I mean. And

1012
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: so when we signed with the Bills, he actually came

1013
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: up to me. He's like, hey, man, I know your story.

1014
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: I remember your dad's trial because I was in college. Wow,

1015
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: and he goes, I got you. So I'm gonna say

1016
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: this right now. He was a hero of mine, took

1017
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 1: care of me, watched after me, and to this day

1018
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 1: he'll hit me up. You good kid. To this day,

1019
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: I love him. He's my favorite superstar of all time.

1020
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: So Drew you're the man. He comes up to me,

1021
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, how good are you? I'm like, I'm

1022
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: pretty decent. Hey, can you like, you know, if I

1023
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: tell you to deal some pokerans, can you deal? Deal?

1024
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: Of course I can't. He goes, let's go. So I

1025
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: remember we got around a room and I was just dealing,

1026
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, when we were tracking the money and who

1027
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: was playing what, and I just made sure everybody just

1028
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: lost their ass off. I mean it's just like not

1029
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: even and Drew's just racking it. And then we gave

1030
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: all the money back to everybody after they knew what. Man,

1031
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 1: that was like twenty minutes that you see, and dudes

1032
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: get so frustrated, like why I imagine having a full house.

1033
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: But then he's got a full house that beats you

1034
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: by one. You're like what and then he's got one.

1035
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: He's got one. You're like what? You know what I mean?

1036
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 3: Oh?

1037
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: It was funny, man. You know, for me, magic has

1038
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: been it's not the end all right. So like you

1039
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: go see a show in Vegas and there's magicians. The

1040
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: illusion is the end all be all, so they're chasing

1041
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: a ghost. But then what you find for me is

1042
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: that I don't. I don't. I don't have a connection

1043
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to the trick, right, It's cool? Yeah, that was cool,

1044
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: you know Yeah? Okay. For me, the magic's never been

1045
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: the end all be all. Instead, it's it's my story

1046
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: behind it that makes the point of the trick, which

1047
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: makes it relevant, emotional, what makes people connect to it

1048
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: now they care about it. So even when I was

1049
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: doing tricks, trick was never the first thing. The first

1050
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: thing was the connection that we're gonna have right here

1051
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,439
Speaker 1: in this room. I'm gonna make sure we have good time.

1052
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure you see something you've never seen before.

1053
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I want to

1054
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: make this something that you'll never forget. When that's your

1055
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: first then the trick is second man powerful. So for me,

1056
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: even when I was doing the tricks in the locker room,

1057
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't about me trying to impress you with my skill.

1058
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: It was about me just trying to share a moment

1059
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: with you so we could be friends. It was my icebreaker.

1060
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: And what happened over time is all of a sudden,

1061
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: all the big timers, right, they have their events. Torm Boss,

1062
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 1: what you doing? Okay? I signed with the Buffalo bills.

1063
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: I'm leaving utep I roll into Buffalo, New York. Okay,

1064
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: now southern California, Texas. Buffalo. Man, that's a hard place

1065
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: to play, bro, And you're a snapper who's not even

1066
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: that good that weather, it doesn't matter day one, check

1067
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: into the hotel for the OTAs or whatever. What happens

1068
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: to the phone in the hotel ring? Hey John? Yeah,

1069
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: Hey Jim Kelly. I'm sorry, who is Jim Kelly? Hey,

1070
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,279
Speaker 1: coach approved it. I'm gonna pick up in the morning.

1071
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: Will you do my golf tournament? You can do some

1072
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: magic for all my friends. I'm like, yeah, yeah, let

1073
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: me check my schedule. Yeah, pretty much. Free. Limo roll up? Okay,

1074
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: was this rookie year rookie here my first twenty four

1075
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: hours leaving college into an NFL environment, my first eighteen hours.

1076
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? Limo rolls up? Jim Kelly

1077
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: gets up. Okay, that's that's really true? Is that Joe Montana?

1078
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 1: Is that Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Thurman, Thomas Drew Bledsoe,

1079
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: John Elway, what's Dan Marino? What all these guys? I

1080
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: literally got in there. I was like, hey Joe, but

1081
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: it's John, Dude, I was you in six seventh and

1082
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Like literally, you know my buddy Jacob he

1083
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: was he was Rice, I was Montana and at recess

1084
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: we destroyed people. Bro, This is insane. So yeah, my

1085
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: first eighteen hours I got to meet all these guys.

1086
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: But it was the magic that was the icebreaker that

1087
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: really got me in all these doors. Right because now

1088
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: you're in the VIP with bon Jovi, the flats when

1089
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: I was in Tennessee, all these country guys. You know,

1090
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: now you're a football player, but now you're entertaining the

1091
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: VIPs in the VIP room. Yeah. So it's like, man

1092
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: two marketing things that I think were brilliant. If any

1093
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: if any other athletes are listening to this, this is

1094
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: brilliant right here. One differentiate yourself in the group so

1095
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: that when you're invited, you're not just the athlete, but

1096
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: then you can yes something else. But here's number two,

1097
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 1: and you guys can vouch for this. I'm gonna say

1098
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent of Big timers their signature is awful, awful, Okay,

1099
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: very few Griffy beautiful, right, beautiful signature, Raddy Johnson, Jay

1100
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: Buner beautiful. So i'd see and I love Donovan McNabb,

1101
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: but not the neatest handwriting, right, But I'm like Deshaun Jackson,

1102
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: Leshan McCoy. That's the name on the ball that's getting displayed.

1103
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: So I worked on my signature. Man, it is beautiful,

1104
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: and I always signed it right underneath that big timer.

1105
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: So now what happens is that big timer name displayed

1106
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: in the case on the shelf, right, and your eye

1107
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: can't help but go to that nice little penmanship down there,

1108
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Boom household name John Dornboss, let's go. I like that.

1109
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: I like that.

1110
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 2: I want What I really want to know now is

1111
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: after you get traded in twenty seventeen, you go to

1112
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: the Saints, and then obviously your football career it's it's

1113
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 2: no more because you had to have this heart surgery.

1114
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,240
Speaker 2: And then you get invited to Saint excuse me, the Eagles.

1115
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: They go to the super Bowl. Yeah, how special was

1116
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: it for you to receive a ring and watching it

1117
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: there in the owner's box and everything like that? How

1118
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: special was that?

1119
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: There's a story behind this that goes way more than

1120
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: just being special. All right, So I signed with the Eagles.

1121
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: I go, I do a training camp, and then the

1122
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 1: next year, I get shingles before training camp all in

1123
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: my face, so I can't be in the sun. So

1124
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: what happens. It's like eight let's call it eight oh nine.

1125
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: So I would run out into and we were in Lehigh, Pennsylvania,

1126
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: one hundred and five degrees. I'd run out snapfield goals,

1127
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: stat punts, whatever, and then i'd have to go into

1128
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: the training room or the equipment room and get out

1129
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: of the sun. Well, that thing's air conditioned, bro, So

1130
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,959
Speaker 1: this is amazing. So what happens next year rolls around,

1131
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: I'm on the field going I mean, they didn't really

1132
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: know if I was here last year, Like they didn't

1133
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: really miss me last year when I snuck out into

1134
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: that equipment room. I'm just gonna see if I can

1135
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: hold that schedule for the rest of my career. So

1136
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: they'd be practicing and I would just start backing up

1137
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: because I'd have like an hour and a half to

1138
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: doing nothing, and I just kind of disappear, and then

1139
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: I'd find my way in the equipment room, take my

1140
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: pads off, air conditioning donuts. So I'm just chilling for

1141
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: like an hour and a half, bro, while everybodys at

1142
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: training camp grinding. Well, what happens is Jeff Larry walks in.

1143
00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: He's the owner. Yeah, I ain't got a lot of

1144
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: one on one time with him at the time. So

1145
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: he walks in. I jump out of my seat and

1146
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I start opening drawers because I'm clearly I'm looking for

1147
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: a buckle, like buckle fell off my uh shoulder pads. Jeff,

1148
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm just looking for one, you know, I didn't.

1149
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 3: The biggest bait.

1150
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,280
Speaker 2: Was like the all time biggest boat.

1151
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 1: This gets better, bro, this gets better. So I jump up.

1152
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: Now I'm opening drawers like I'm just looking. Jeff, I'm

1153
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: just you know, handle my own business. I got time,

1154
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: and literally goes, oh, that's funny. I just come in

1155
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: here because it's air conditioned, and dude, like a movie.

1156
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: I just pushed the drawer in and I just real

1157
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: slow and I stood up and I go, no kidding

1158
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: me too. I have a seat. So so now Jeff

1159
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: and I are chilling in the equipment room, right, And

1160
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 1: that was like, I couldn't tell you how many times

1161
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: Jeff and I sat in that equipment room for about

1162
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes, yeah, air conditioning, and talked about everything

1163
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: other than football, just shooting it shooting it right. So

1164
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: I remember one conversation He's like, hey, man, you know,

1165
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: how do you ever want to get into coaching. I

1166
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: was like, no, No, that looks miserable to me. Man,

1167
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: but I love coaches, but that looks miserable to me. Yeah,

1168
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: and he goes, yeah, I could see that, and I go, so, Jeff,

1169
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: we got to win a super bowli I'm a player,

1170
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: because if I don't get one as a player, I'm

1171
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: never going to get one as a coach. And I

1172
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: don't want to work in the front office. So let's

1173
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: just get this ball movement if we could. Yeah, to

1174
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: get me a ring. So we laugh. Man. Ten years

1175
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: goes by, okay, and now all of a sudden, I

1176
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: get traded Eagles. I get traded, and I don't watch

1177
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: a game for that whole season because I'm on meds.

1178
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: I'm just staring at a wall. First game I watched

1179
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: was the NFC Championship and the Eagles win. They're going

1180
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl. So here's the deal. I signed

1181
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: with the Eagles. I play every game for twelve years,

1182
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: most consecutive games in Eagles history. They trade me and

1183
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 1: then they go to the Super Bowl. So I'm like,

1184
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: f that right, no way come up. So all of

1185
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, I get a phone call, Hey, John, if

1186
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: we win, you're getting a ring and we're inviting you

1187
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: and all this. And they actually called me at the

1188
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. Yeah, yeah, whatever, Well now it's happening.

1189
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: So the night before the game, Jeff says, would you

1190
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: attend this dinner with my friends. I'm like, yeah, I

1191
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: got nothing going on. Yeah, let's go. And so he goes, oh,

1192
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: my friend is going to take stage and saying her

1193
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: name Sheryl Crow. I'm like, okay, this is already cool.

1194
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm in. So dinner leaves, it's over, and I'm still

1195
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: out of heart surgery. I still I'm a little crowdphobia.

1196
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: I don't want to be bumped into. You're still a

1197
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: little sore. So we waited till everybody left this dinner,

1198
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: and then Jeff walks up, picks his hat up, he

1199
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: sees me. He goes, John, Man, I just want to

1200
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: tell you something. We're gonna win this, and when we win,

1201
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a player's ring. It's gonna be for

1202
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: the twelve years you put in helping change a culture.

1203
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: And hey, by the way, kid, you're not playing, you're

1204
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: not coaching, but you might just find your way into

1205
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,800
Speaker 1: a ring. And I was like, this dude remembers the

1206
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: conversation we had ten years ago. So all of a sudden,

1207
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: they win and a couple months goes by, whatever, when

1208
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: you get the ring and they gave it to me,

1209
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: and that's what he said, man, So that ring means

1210
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: more to me now than had I played. For multiple reasons,

1211
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: one of reflection on who you were for twelve years

1212
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: in a building and it matters. It matters. He didn't

1213
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: have to do that. And the other thing too, is

1214
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of big Eagles fans in entertainment, and

1215
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: so I'll take a meeting with some director or whatever

1216
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: and I just, oh, you're an Eagles fan. Yes, So

1217
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: and so told me, hey, here's the ring.

1218
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: Well what what?

1219
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: Hey, just do me faith they're weird around. Just I'll

1220
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: get it from you in a few months. And this dude,

1221
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: but two things are happening, right. This dude's not taking

1222
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: that off for however long he got it, bragging to

1223
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: all his friends, and all of a sudden, dorm boss

1224
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: name a conversation in the meetings. You know what I'm saying.

1225
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: Come on, let's go on house and just solidify a

1226
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: new meeting because I gotta go get my ring. So

1227
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: I just got my second meeting with this guy.

1228
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: He don't even know household name, but I like it,

1229
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 4: John dornboss, household name. Who We like to ask a

1230
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,720
Speaker 4: lot of our guests this mount rushmore of the fluence.

1231
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 4: I was just there, man, amazing, it is amazing. It's amazing.

1232
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 4: It's way bigger than what you think too. It's like

1233
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 4: high up there, it's big. It's pretty cool. Yes, if

1234
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 4: you could have a mount rushmore of influence, people that

1235
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: have influenced you in your life on off the field

1236
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 4: all together, you got four.

1237
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 3: Who's in that top four?

1238
00:51:58,400 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: Man? I got four?

1239
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, now it's yours, so you can kind of we'll

1240
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 4: let your remix it a little bit because just in

1241
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 4: case you want to put crazy belling on there somewhere.

1242
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: Well, like, there's a lot, but these are four that

1243
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: come to mind. I must say Griffy, but it's going

1244
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: to represent a lot of people. When I was a kid,

1245
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: I was a Griffy fan. He was my hero. But

1246
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: when I lost my parents, the community donated tickets to

1247
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: the Mariners game, and my sixth grade school teacher would

1248
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: drive me any games and I would sit in section

1249
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: three or five of the Kingdom and I had a

1250
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: sign that said I love you Griffy, and I had

1251
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: a glove, and every game was the game Griffy was

1252
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: going to look up and be like, oh my gosh, no,

1253
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Storm Boss here, seriously, Pewter, tuck

1254
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: that jersey in, put your a game on, you know,

1255
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: like he was gonna call me to warm them up. Yeah.

1256
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: In that time, those guys went from heroes to hope.

1257
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: Those guys changed from being my heroes to me hoping

1258
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: for a better life. And it was the whole. It

1259
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: was the Mariners, it was every one of them. When

1260
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I became a pro in two thousand and three, I

1261
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: ran out of the tunnel and all of a sudden,

1262
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 1: I ran and there was a guy that said, you know,

1263
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: we had a sign that said bledsoe, and right next

1264
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: to him was this little kid and it was me

1265
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: and I say Griffy representing this time frame because he

1266
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: gave me the greatest thing of my career, and that

1267
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: is I didn't need pregame my first game, I walked

1268
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: over to this kid. I said, hey, kid, I got

1269
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: a huge problem. And the kid looked at me and goes,

1270
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: here's the magic man. The problem can you have? You know?

1271
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it's a serious problem, kid,

1272
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: and you're the only one that can help me out.

1273
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 1: He goes, what's that look. I don't want to be

1274
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: the one to say this, but I don't think anybody's

1275
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: good enough here to warm me up. You think you

1276
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: can help me out? What? And so every game I

1277
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: played in Man, I brought a kid and I played

1278
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: catch with a kid for just a few minutes, and

1279
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: that was my moment. I stole that moment from me

1280
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: and that was me being everything I wish I had

1281
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: to somebody else. Right, it's me being this much better

1282
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: than where I come from. Parents would take pictures, and

1283
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: what's really cool is I told this story on a

1284
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 1: news thing and then my friend said google it, and

1285
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: at the time, all these parents were post pictures of

1286
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: me and all these different stadiums playing catch with their kids,

1287
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: saying thank you. I will say that Griffy is one

1288
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: because it represents a time of going from heroes to

1289
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: hope and then ended up I could be something full

1290
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: circle in life for other kids. My mom, I would say,

1291
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: for sure, she's who I look up to, she's who

1292
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: I talk to. I believe that, you know, my opinion

1293
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: of death has changed too to be able to cope

1294
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: with it. And that is every relationship is like a wave,

1295
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: and we're all surfers in the ocean, and so every

1296
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: wave is going to crash. Now you might ride it

1297
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: a long time, you might not. But what you got

1298
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: to do when that wave crash is you got to

1299
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: get up and you got you gotta paddle out and

1300
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: catch another one and enjoy the wave while you got it.

1301
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: And what I've learned is that's with other people. That

1302
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: that idea right there has allowed me to be able

1303
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: to have closure with people and relationships and situations, set

1304
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 1: boundaries for myself, my family, with other people. But it

1305
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: also helps me reevaluate the relationship with myself that parts

1306
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: of me can crash and that's okay, and I can

1307
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: battle out and rediscover who I am in a different wave.

1308
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: So I believe my mom is in the wind and

1309
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 1: the rain in the ocean, and she's the bird singing.

1310
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: So I would say her, then I'm gonna go with

1311
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: h There was a financial financial service speaker named Kevin

1312
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: Elko who came up to me when I was with

1313
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: the with the with the bills, and he goes, hey,

1314
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: you're the magic guy, right, You know that little trick

1315
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: you do with one hundred dollars bill and the pencil thing,

1316
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: you know. I go, yeah, I think it's pretty cool.

1317
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, yeah, whatever. Will you just tell how

1318
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: you got into colleg which is a whole different story,

1319
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: by the way, Tell the story how you got into

1320
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: college and then do that trick for all these bankers.

1321
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: I was like, cool. So he's the first one that

1322
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: got me into the speaking business, and so I did it,

1323
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 1: crushed it. And he goes, I'm gonna give you two

1324
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: pieces of advice, kid. One, don't ever book yourself as

1325
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 1: a magician ever again. You're a speaker. My second advice

1326
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: to you is, don't ever take any other advice from

1327
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 1: any other speaker besides the advice I just gave you.

1328
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: That's the only advice you could take. Okay. Good. And

1329
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: he took me around to this day and that's opened

1330
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: a door of really taking my love of magic and

1331
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: making a difference with it and being proud of it

1332
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 1: performance that I do tigh end my life story in

1333
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: the magic I learned along the way. So I would

1334
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: say Kevin has been a big influence on me as

1335
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: a person. And then I'm gonna go with uh, man,

1336
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my wife, man. My wife's rock star. Man,

1337
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with my wife one. She is a

1338
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: stone cold fox. Like I'm talking, she is banging bro

1339
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: and she is ten times hotter on the inside than

1340
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: she is the outside. Like she is the most warm hearted,

1341
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: beautiful human being. I've observed that when she walks in

1342
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: a room, chicks want to hate her because she's hot,

1343
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: but then they love her because she's so nice. She's

1344
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: so amazing. Uh. And she's a breeder six footer, you

1345
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I got myself a little

1346
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 1: little Meani, a little mini me. She's uh. Our kid

1347
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: was nine to two. But my wife has definitely been

1348
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: We met a little bit later in life, and I

1349
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: was married before. That was a waste of time and

1350
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: I married somebody that doesn't matter. But what I what

1351
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: I learned from my first marriage. I was proud of

1352
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: the husband I was, But what I learned from my

1353
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: first marriage is everything. I'm not giving up about myself

1354
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 1: ever again. I will not change this part of me.

1355
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: You don't like it. I don't care who you are.

1356
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 1: I don't think we're meantal world. We could be friends.

1357
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: It's all good. But like, if you want to change

1358
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: this about me, we're good. And everything that I think

1359
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: my ex wanted to change is what she loved, everything

1360
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 1: that made me me like I have changed at all.

1361
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: I haven't changed at all for her except in the good.

1362
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 1: And my in laws awesome, dude. If we get a

1363
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 1: little tough, my in laws take my side every time.

1364
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, good, call you guys. Just bought yourself two

1365
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: more nights at Casada dorm. Boss, you know what I mean.

1366
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 1: My in laws are cool, man. I love my father

1367
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: in law, my mother in law. So my last one

1368
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: is my wife. That was probably a very long answer.

1369
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: But you want to know something. Can I tell you

1370
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: funny story? Do we got time here? Yeah? This is

1371
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: a funny story. So hero is Griffy okay in this hardcore.

1372
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna learn how to fly plane because I

1373
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: can fly myself to gigs. Let's do this. So I'm

1374
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 1: researching he flies. I'm like, oh, my gosh. This Him

1375
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: and his dad are both pilots. So I'm like, this

1376
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be my because he flies to the plane.

1377
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: I want to fly. So I go to dinner with

1378
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: Jamie Moyer that night in Philly. They're friends. I bring

1379
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,720
Speaker 1: it up. I was like, dude, I got so many questions.

1380
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: Griffy flies like he's a pile. Oh, Griffy loves flying. Like, yeah,

1381
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: I'll have him reach out to you. I'm like, cool,

1382
00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: taking taking mine? I haven't. It's the day I decided

1383
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to fly. So I have

1384
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: no knowledge of flying. I don't know anything about flying. Okay,

1385
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna learn. I'm driving home. I get home,

1386
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: I get to my cond and my phone rings. He

1387
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: is this John. Yeah, hey man, it's Junior. What. Yeah,

1388
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: this is Junior Man. I got your number from Wyer.

1389
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: He said, you're getting into flying, man. He said, you

1390
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: got questions like, hey, man, welcome to the club. How

1391
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 1: can I help? My whole childhood came back. Okay. Now,

1392
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: at the time I made a couple of pro bowls,

1393
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: you might think I'm one of them. I could not

1394
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: have had a bigger choke and embarrassing moment in my

1395
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,560
Speaker 1: life today. It is awful. So I start sweating, heart

1396
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: starts racing, and it's because I was. I just, I

1397
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: just I was a twelve year old kid and I

1398
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: did and I'm I'm I'm thinking he's gonna like, in

1399
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: my mind, he's gonna call me to play catch. I'm

1400
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: like like, all right, So this is what he says, Hey, man,

1401
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: how can I help you? And I go, okay, yeah,

1402
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: I got a question, so like, how long would a

1403
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: flight be? And I'll never forget. He goes, well, usually

1404
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: it's from the time I take off to the time

1405
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: I land. And I was like, right, totally, So how

1406
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 1: long do you usually sit in your plane? Terrible question, bro, Hey,

1407
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 1: this is what he says. He goes, usually from the

1408
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: time I sit down to the time I stand up,

1409
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: And I go totally, that's about all the questions I

1410
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: got for you. And I basically hung up on him

1411
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: and I just freaked out. Right, he uh, just to

1412
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: let you know, he has not returned my text since then.

1413
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: And I promise I'm way cooler than that. But my

1414
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: whole life, my parents, just a lot of childhood such

1415
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 1: just instead of just being like yo, man, you're the man, dude,

1416
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: let me dive into this and I'm gonna hit you back,

1417
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: but like love watching you play and you're my hero, bro,

1418
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: so thank you for calling me. I went the complete

1419
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: opposite reaction. Didn't know what to do, didn't know what

1420
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: to say. And if I run into him, I've never

1421
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: met him in person, but I'm gonna run into him

1422
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: and he probably gonna come up to me and be like, yo,

1423
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: you didn't you haven't killed yourself yet. Hey man, this

1424
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 1: guy's still alive. This guy's an idiot, you know. So yeah,

1425
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 1: that's that. But there you go.

1426
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: Hey man, that's that's that's the show.

1427
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 3: I thank you.

1428
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming to the show.

1429
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 2: Blessings with your story and just just yeah man, rapping

1430
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 2: one is.

1431
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: I want to say one more thing because I think

1432
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: this this show, it's it's really cool that it's it's

1433
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: at least for me, kind of showing athletes in their

1434
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: second part of their career. Yes. Yeah. And if there's

1435
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: any advice I can give those young athletes or people

1436
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: that are watching this, it's don't identify yourself as one thing.

1437
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: I'll never forget my grandpa. He's like, hey man, just

1438
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: be who you are and love what you do, and

1439
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,320
Speaker 1: one day you might be able to sit your grand

1440
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: kid on your knee and tell them all the crazy stories.

1441
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: There's a movie called Big Fish, Yeah, and the dad's

1442
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: dying and his kid's trying to have this relationship with him,

1443
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,040
Speaker 1: and the dad's telling these crazy stories the two headed

1444
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: woman and the monsters and the giants, and the kid

1445
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 1: thought he was full of it. And then the funeral,

1446
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: the two headed woman shows up and the giant the

1447
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: mo like, So life is romantic, is beautiful. Make these

1448
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: stories as crazy as you can. Write a script in

1449
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: your head that's absolutely outrageous and funny, because who knows,

1450
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: it might just come true. But never, I never wanted

1451
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: to be identified as a football player. I just wanted

1452
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: to be identified as a guy that just shows up,

1453
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: has fun, gives it everything I got, make as many

1454
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: friends as I can so that one day, when my

1455
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: time is done, hopefully my teammates will be like, hey, man,

1456
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: that's a dude that you'd hate to lose in every opponent. Feared. Man,

1457
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: You're gonna win in life more than you're gonna do that.

1458
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: So take everything you have, especially as an athlete, and

1459
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: build on it. And when you're done playing, don't be

1460
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 1: sad that you're done. Don't have a loss of identity crisis.

1461
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 1: Realize that you got such a head start on the

1462
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: mental preparation that you have in life. Find your passion

1463
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 1: and apply everything you've learned in life to that. And man,

1464
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: go rocket, show the world which God there it is.

1465
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: That's why you were a speaker and not a magistic.

1466
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: That's it, baby, like that? Right? Hey, stay ready. You

1467
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 1: ain't ever got to get ready. That's it.

1468
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: I like it, all right. If you're not, this is you?

1469
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:02,760
Speaker 3: Oh well shoot it is me? Then all right?

1470
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 4: Well look man, for all of our viewers, John, thank

1471
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 4: you once again. Man, you showed out today. Man for

1472
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 4: all of our viewers. Listeners out there, give us a

1473
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 4: five star rating. Get hit that hit that follow Bud,

1474
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 4: give us a review, leave a comment wherever you could

1475
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 4: listen or listen to or hear or I view your podcasts.

1476
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 4: That where this Apple Podcasts, iHeartRadio. Thanks guys for always

1477
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:27,480
Speaker 4: tuning in. This is this is my man, Peanut Tillman,

1478
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 4: John dor and Boss and this is the NFL Player

1479
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 4: Second Acts Podcast.

1480
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 2: Thank you all for tuning in.

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01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: We out pres