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Speaker 1: Podcast Network. I am Chad moment. It's Thursday, which means

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Speaker 1: it is time to narrow down the NFL board. Me

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Speaker 1: and my bff, my companion, my compadre Professional Better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're going to do. We're trying to narrow

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Speaker 1: down the board to get to the five, six, seven

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Speaker 1: picks that we love. Come Sunday morning, those will be

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Speaker 1: our five best. We're going to put them in the

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Speaker 1: free award winning Action Network app. Simon will also share

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Speaker 1: them on Twitter. Simon, you are a professional. Better. Action

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Speaker 1: a free award winning Action Network app. Such an interesting week, Simon,

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Speaker 1: how are you buddy? Good buddy? Yeah, this is an

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Speaker 1: ugly week, but it's one of those weeks I kind

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Speaker 1: of love where I opened up my you know, my

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Speaker 1: different apps Someday night I saw these lines and I

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Speaker 1: that's usually how it goes with these week five weeks

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Speaker 1: six kind of bets. Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing,

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Speaker 1: like Sunday night, Monday morning, I didn't like anything, and

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Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, I'm seeing opportunities galore. I

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Speaker 1: want to remind people we've been talking about this book

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Speaker 1: It's Better to Be Feared on the podcast for the

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Speaker 1: past few months. Seth Wickersham wrote, it's about the Patriots dynasty,

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Speaker 1: Brady Belichick craft. I'm saying this as a seven time author,

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Speaker 1: four time bestseller. Chad Melman wrote a book It's as

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Speaker 1: good a sports book as you were going to read.

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Speaker 1: We had Seth in the podcast. He's going to come

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Speaker 1: up later in the show. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: it signon, and I spoke to him what was really

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Speaker 1: interesting to me and why I think Betters would be

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Speaker 1: interested in this. In the book, he talks a lot

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Speaker 1: about mental strength, mental training, discipline, all the things that

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Speaker 1: some credible opportunity to hear about that. We got a

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Speaker 1: lot to discuss, Like we said, that board is turning

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Speaker 1: bet of the week. We will get to a money

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Speaker 1: line parlay the foxhole game from this past week where

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Speaker 1: we're jumping into the foxhole. Miami is a double digit dogs.

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Speaker 1: We will discuss that in more depth. Our Simon says

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Speaker 1: game was the Giants meeting. Just go bet it right away.

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Speaker 1: That line has already moved from seven and a half

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Speaker 1: that too, and told the people heading us up site

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Speaker 1: they're not getting the best of the number because they

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Speaker 1: don't listen to the show until Saturday. Go to the

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Speaker 1: favorite podcast, subscribe and download on Tuesdays. What can we

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Speaker 1: do people, We're giving these numbers out on Tuesday. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the show and download the show on Tuesday. Man,

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Speaker 1: before we get to anything else, we gotta do sharp calls. Hello,

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Speaker 1: I'm there, I'm talking Simon. Please tell us the calls

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Speaker 1: you received this week from your professional betting buddies and

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Speaker 1: how they responded to some of what we discussed on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: A lot of shit talking. They hate me that I

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Speaker 1: need to Bengals three and a half. I didn't give

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Speaker 1: out Bengals out of three, Simon Hunter, professional coward. That's

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Speaker 1: here's a system for you, right are you ready? Here's something.

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Speaker 1: two thousand and three NFL underdogs coming off of three

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Speaker 1: just a nice match for this Miami team. So give

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Speaker 1: that's our big ball is better the week big balls

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Speaker 1: you something. And now you're getting feedback from your buddies

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Speaker 1: that we're idiots. Meanwhile, I've been doing more research and

427
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Speaker 1: feeling more and more comfortable with the Browns. That's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I love the Browns in this position just because I

429
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Speaker 1: love their defense and I just love the way they've

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Speaker 1: been playing and how this game was going to set up.

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Speaker 1: But I can't do with the Baker injury because again,

432
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Speaker 1: the reason I like the Browns so much wasn't because

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Speaker 1: of Baker, is because of their running style and how

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Speaker 1: it is going to perform against this Chargers defense. You've

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Speaker 1: literally tied the team with an arm behind their back.

436
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Speaker 1: So all we need to do for the Chargers just

437
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Speaker 1: stack the box and try and make Baker with one

438
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Speaker 1: arm pass against us, which again it's just throwing arm

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Speaker 1: that got injured, I believe. So I'm with you, chat

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Speaker 1: like that's the thing. Like the pros they reached out

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Speaker 1: to me. They love this number and they're saying we

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Speaker 1: should take this up to three. That's my job, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's my job isn't to just be so into my

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Speaker 1: own system. I don't listen anyone else. It's when I

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Speaker 1: get this information and pass it along and say, you

446
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Speaker 1: know what, I was missing something here. Sure enough, it

447
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Speaker 1: came out today that Baker had the injury. So that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. I don't have the resources a lot of

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Speaker 1: these old time guys have. When they're reaching out to me,

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Speaker 1: they're giving me information. I need to really listen to

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Speaker 1: it because obviously they're hitting it from you know, good

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Speaker 1: information themselves. So I don't like doing it, but I'm

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Speaker 1: with you. This is like now becoming one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite players. If we haven't banged up Baker Mayfield going

455
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Speaker 1: against argably a top three defense and the Chargers. We

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Speaker 1: have to take the charges here, don't we. Well, the

457
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Speaker 1: problem is, even if the Chargers stacked the box, their

458
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Speaker 1: run defense is terrible, and that's the That is the

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Speaker 1: one thing we know the Browns will be able to do.

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Speaker 1: So I love them. You love them because you're saying

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Speaker 1: the Browns will be one dimensional and the Chargers have

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Speaker 1: a chance to only focus on doing that. Love the

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Speaker 1: Browns coming in just because of that run game, the

464
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Speaker 1: fact that that that's all that Staley needs a prep

465
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Speaker 1: for now against this team, that's just again it shifts

466
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Speaker 1: it back to the Chargers where this is just a

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Speaker 1: big advantage, especially now they know that Baker's hurt, like

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Speaker 1: that's out in public information. Now. It's just a bad

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Speaker 1: It's just a bad setup for this Browns team. So

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Speaker 1: are we saying we want to put the Chargers in yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: wow to oh my goodness, all right. I love that

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Speaker 1: we are making a wise guy play here. We are

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Speaker 1: making the wise guy play because this is what the

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Speaker 1: guides in Vegas are telling us to do. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. Those are the games that we all that

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Speaker 1: we talked about the most Dolphins, Texans, Giants, Chargers, Bengals,

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals game roaring back right now? Are five

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Speaker 1: am I am I misinterpreting anything? I like that far?

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Speaker 1: Or five Bills Chiefs. You said you liked the Chiefs

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Speaker 1: at two and a half. We liked the Bills at

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Speaker 1: three and a half. If it's on three, then there's

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Speaker 1: no real advantage getting a lot of research and rumblings

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Speaker 1: They loved Bills in this spot, of course they do.

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Speaker 1: Everyone loves the fucking Bills on the spot set. The

487
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Speaker 1: Bills have looked better, they've played better, they have the

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Speaker 1: better offense. The Bills make me throw your hand on something.

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Speaker 1: Throw your hand now, the Bills. I'm making it happen.

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Speaker 1: Mantri can attest to it Josh Allen just has not

491
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Speaker 1: looked right yet this year. Again, their team has been winning,

492
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Speaker 1: but he's had little hiccups, like again that game they

493
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Speaker 1: started against Houston, his first pass was interception. He just

494
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Speaker 1: had little things like that where I love Josh. I

495
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Speaker 1: love this Bills team. I think they are much better

496
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Speaker 1: this year. I thought they were gonna because I thought

497
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Speaker 1: he was gonna have a major Russian and Josh Allen,

498
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Speaker 1: but that team has just built so smart with so

499
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Speaker 1: many weapons that they're gonna be fine this year. This

500
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Speaker 1: is just a bad position for them to be in.

501
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Speaker 1: I flip flop every day because, like we just talked

502
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Speaker 1: about it, if this is three and a half, I

503
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Speaker 1: would like the Bills because I think this is that

504
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Speaker 1: close to the matchup. But if you're gonna give it

505
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Speaker 1: me and under a field goal, and this Chiefs team

506
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Speaker 1: at home homes, I take that every time, just because

507
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Speaker 1: I believe that much of my homes. So I get

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking. They're stucky, but I don't have the

509
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Speaker 1: gohonies to make this kind of bet like this is

510
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Speaker 1: one of my smaller bets of the week, bet in

511
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs because there just isn't that much value in

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Speaker 1: my opinion on this game, I think your are plenty

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Speaker 1: big buddy, Well, he's the only person I knew that

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Speaker 1: would would took the Patriots money line last week. So

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Speaker 1: Stucky's a legend his own right. The Survivor Pool pick

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Speaker 1: of the week. Let's talk about a Survivors Oh, I

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Speaker 1: fucking hate it. Like there's a couple of teams we

518
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Speaker 1: could choose, but when else will we use the Vikes.

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Speaker 1: This is the only time they get a home game

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Speaker 1: against Detroit, the worst team in their division. I hate it.

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Speaker 1: Chat By the way, this is the team everybody's gonna choose,

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Speaker 1: so everyone is. That's why I hated so much. And

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Speaker 1: like we lost last year on the Vikings in this

524
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Speaker 1: exact spot, playing the third string quarterback and the Cowboys,

525
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Speaker 1: and they lost at home, but we have to. It's

526
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Speaker 1: the fact that they lost so bad last week against

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland only against seven points at home the only

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Speaker 1: reason I feel that much better about taking this number.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'm gonna be trying to middle man here

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Speaker 1: because I'm taking Detroit's number, but I will be playing

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Speaker 1: the Vikings and our survivor contest because that's just we

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Speaker 1: have to do. We have to get rid of the Vikings.

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Speaker 1: We'll tweet it out Sunday morning, but I would say

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Speaker 1: it's a ninety eight percent chance that we end up

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Speaker 1: Let's get back to the show. Money line. Ron Robin,

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Speaker 1: who's in there all right, buddy? Texans, Dolphins, Bengals, yep,

571
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Speaker 1: I got an issue putting the Bengals in there. We're

572
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Speaker 1: just looking for literally just to shock the world, and

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Speaker 1: things that don't make sense but will after the fact,

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Speaker 1: like the Jets and the Giants last week exactly that

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Speaker 1: did not make sense to bet at the time, but

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Speaker 1: afterwards people going, you know what, actually, now looking at

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Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. Forty nine ers. We got

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Speaker 1: a Cardinals team hyped up to the you know, the

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Speaker 1: highest of highs. Cardinals E they're gonna blow this team

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Speaker 1: out in the forty nine ers or forty hours, are

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Speaker 1: gonna win this game, So let me fade the hype train.

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Speaker 1: Love love love. Divisional matchups like this. We got a

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Speaker 1: rookie quarterback plane in Trey Lands, so the Cardinals, I

584
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Speaker 1: really aren't gonna to defend this guy. Prepare for him.

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Speaker 1: Give it to me. That's a big number plus one

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Speaker 1: ninety on the money line right now, so that could

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Speaker 1: be our fourth leg and then I'm sorry to do it.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to do it to people, but we have

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Speaker 1: to do it because it's it's a home dog value.

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Speaker 1: Give me the Jacksonville Jaguars money line. They haven't won.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going on nineteen or twenty weeks. Ye,

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Speaker 1: I will keep losing money betting their home money line.

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Speaker 1: But this, this is what I have to do. Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: I believe have twenty one players on the injury list

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Speaker 1: right now. There's only twenty two starters on the team

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Speaker 1: twenty one injuries, so a lot of this round robin

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Speaker 1: is fading teams with injuries right now. So Tennessee Titians

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Speaker 1: is really a heavily injury team or fading them. Patriots

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Speaker 1: injured team, were fading them, and the Buccaneers are very

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Speaker 1: heavily injured team. We're fading them. So we're just trying

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Speaker 1: to find value in the team's playing a lot of

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Speaker 1: these backups at key positions. So I get it a

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Speaker 1: lot of drama in Jacksonville, but this is one of

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Speaker 1: these games where the team could come together if they

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Speaker 1: like urban a win and if it keeps staying this

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Speaker 1: love at four it kind of feels like Vegas is

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Speaker 1: town is something here. So I got new issue throw

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Speaker 1: on the end of our fifth, fifth play in our

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Speaker 1: round robin. Big Balls bet of the Week Bengals plus

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Speaker 1: three from earlier this week. On Tuesday, the Sun says

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Speaker 1: bet was the Giants plus seven. Our Foxhold bet was

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Speaker 1: Miami plus ten against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the five

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Speaker 1: that we're thinking about right now, but again we will

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Speaker 1: update on Sunday. Look in the Action Network cap Dolphins, Texans, Bengals, Giants, Chargers.

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Speaker 1: The money line round Robin Parlay will include Dolphins, Jags, Texans, Bengals, Niners. Wow,

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Speaker 1: we ask so much of people to do really gross,

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Speaker 1: Yeah last week. Last week we had the Jets and

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Speaker 1: the Giants in a money line round. Probably we had

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Speaker 1: Seattle in there too, Like sometimes it works, Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: hits ugly dogs win. So it's looking crazy right now,

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Speaker 1: but it just feels like we're up for another wonky

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Speaker 1: week where there's just a lot of big, big dogs

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Speaker 1: that shouldn't be these bigger dogs. All right, listen, stick

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Speaker 1: a doubt, one of the best sports books ever written.

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00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: Can't even you can't even deny it, like you got

638
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: so inside one of the most difficult subjects to get inside,

639
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: which is a mysterious secretive team in a mysterious secretive

640
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: league that is run by mysterious secretive people who don't

641
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,479
Speaker 1: want anyone snooping around their business. And you fucking nailed it.

642
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: So nice job. The past ten days, it's been the

643
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: only thing people in the sports world they're talking about.

644
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: And I'll say this, I feel like with all the

645
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: news that's going on with the book, and everyone's been

646
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: talking about it, especially in the lead up to the

647
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: Patriots Bucks game, about the Brady Belichick relationship and sort

648
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: of those moments that are very inside about their breakup

649
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: or how they felt about each other. It's kind of

650
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: missing the point because to me, like this is as

651
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: intimate a portrait of three people in Belichick, Brady and

652
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Craft that have been keeping their lives very, very secret

653
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: for a very long time. I feel like people aren't

654
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: talking about that enough. Do you feel the same way.

655
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's intimacy here that is being

656
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: overlooked and because of the sort of sensational aspects of

657
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: the reporting. I think it's thanks man. First of all,

658
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: I think it's both. I think that look number one,

659
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: when you have you know, dialogue in there that includes

660
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: swear words, you know, from those people maybe sometimes even

661
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: about each other in moments of you know, exhaustion and

662
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: out of patience. Um, you know, I think that that

663
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: stuff obviously people gravitate, gravitate too, but I think it

664
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: actually speaks to the themes you were talking about. And

665
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: let's pick one of them for instance. M A quote

666
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 1: they got a lot of attention was from Robert Craft.

667
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: It was in the fall of twenty eighteen. He was

668
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: at a business conference, one of these kind of rich

669
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: guys business conferences, and Aspen and he's in the hotel

670
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: lobby and you know, he says, paraphrasing, here you come

671
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: here and you meet the most brilliant minds. I really

672
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: hate to leave this place because you know, I have

673
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: to go to Detroit and be with the biggest effing

674
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: a hole in my life, my head coach. And you know,

675
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,359
Speaker 1: that got a lot of attention. But when you look

676
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: at it within the context of Robert Kraft, who for

677
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: the most part, masterfully kept the band together for twenty

678
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: years despite all of the polls of ego and fame

679
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: and entitlement that might come with winning as much as

680
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: they did, you know, it's probably the thing that's going

681
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: to get him into the Hall of Fame. And that

682
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it didn't come without managerial challenges at times.

683
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: And I think that was one of those times where

684
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: he was just feeling a little tired about it all.

685
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: I have so many favorite parts of the book. I

686
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: want to hear from you. What was your favorite part

687
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: of the book to report? My favorite part of the

688
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: book generally is so it's divided into three parts. Part

689
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: one is kind of the joy of the Rise. It's

690
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: the first three Super Bowls and you know, kind of

691
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: plateauing in that two thousand and sixth season, you know,

692
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: ending around there where you know, the Patriots in a

693
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: lot of ways, we're just we're a version of America's team.

694
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: I mean, there really wasn't the hatred that you sort

695
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 1: of see right now for that team. So that's part one.

696
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: Part two is the ten year gap that they didn't

697
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl, and Part three is the reclamation

698
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: of the dynasty and how it kind of ended up

699
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: dissipating in. My favorite part of the book, generally speaking,

700
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 1: is part two because and that goes from two thousand

701
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: and seven to midway through the third quarter of January

702
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: of twenty and fifteen, because you had Tom Brady and

703
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick who had already established Hall of Fame careers

704
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: at that point, but they weren't quite able to accomplish

705
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: their goal. They had plateaued at the highest possible level

706
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: you can without plateauing as Super Bowl champions, and how

707
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: they decided and the ways that they chose to try

708
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: to get better and to dig a little bit deeper

709
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: and to be a little bit more imaginative and creative

710
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: and think outside the box about how they could get

711
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: back to that status that they had attained. To me,

712
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: is the most interesting part of things, because you just

713
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: don't see that that often in professional sports. I think

714
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: that that drive that they showed during that time and

715
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 1: the fact that it ended up working is about as

716
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: rare as their six championships together. What specifically did they

717
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: do in that time that helped them transform? Well? With

718
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, it's it's now a business, but it's essentially

719
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: when he founded his program, his TV twelve method. I

720
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: write about in the book being in his apartment and

721
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: we were sitting in his living room talking in March

722
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: of twenty thirteen, and this guy walks into the living room.

723
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: He had this elevator that just opened right into his house,

724
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: his apartment in downtown Boston, and this guy just enters

725
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: the living room behind me, and I look around and

726
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: Brady's Alejandro. And they get up and they hug and

727
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: they make small talk. And you know, I had seen

728
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 1: Alex Guerrero around Tom Brady a little bit, but I'd

729
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: never talked to him about it. So I was like, well,

730
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: what's his role? And I remember, and I wrote about it.

731
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Brady was like, you know, it's it's really hard to

732
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: describe what he does, and in fact it wasn't you know,

733
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: Brady at that time was making clear that he wanted

734
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: to play into his forties, and Alex Guerrero's job, more

735
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: than anything was to make it happen. He was the

736
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 1: one who to never say no to Tom Brady, to

737
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: never say you can't do this, and so they obviously

738
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: developed their own methodology that, by the way, was also

739
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: at odds with the Patriot way, the Belichick way, and

740
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: then with Belichick, I think that one of my one

741
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: of my favorite moments that I kind of got into

742
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 1: was midway through the third quarter of the twenty fifteen

743
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: divisional round. They're hosting the Baltimore Ravens. They're down by

744
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: fourteen points against a team that's just not afraid of them,

745
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: and it looks like they're gonna lose. You know, it's

746
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: going to get them bounced once again in the first

747
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs. Jimmy Garoppolo had just finished his

748
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: rookie year. You wonder if, like, if they had been

749
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: bounced again, you know, what would that of dynamic look like.

750
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Would Tom Brady had been back who knows? And Belichick

751
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: dust off the play the funky formations and the play

752
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: called Baltimore and Ravens. There was two different versions of it,

753
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: and the original name of that play was called fight Song,

754
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: and it was originated by Lane Kiffin, and he called

755
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: it fight Song because he said, when we run it,

756
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: we're going to score. And they lifted it Nick's Lane

757
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: Kiffin brought it with him to Alabama. Alabama ran it.

758
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: The Patriots lifted it and kind of changed it a

759
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: little bit. So they deployed this these two plays midway

760
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: through the third quarter, and it not only worked in

761
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: the sense that it got them back in the game,

762
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: re energized the crowd. But one of the themes that

763
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,879
Speaker 1: I write about in the book is how Belichick gets

764
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: inside the heads of the best coaches in the league

765
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: and often finds ways to use their traits and personalities

766
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: and confidence against them. He knew that John Harbaugh, great

767
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: coach of the Ravens, but someone who's kind of known

768
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: for having a quick fuse, would lose his shi over

769
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: this play, especially when they ran a no huddle, because

770
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: the Ravens wouldn't have a ton of time to adjust.

771
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: And sure enough, John and Harbaugh had a meltdown and

772
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: got into sports and my conduct penalty in the third

773
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: quarter of that game. So when a matter of minutes

774
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: Belichick had had closed, Belichick and Brady really and Josh

775
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: McDaniels had closed a fourteen point score, re energized the crowd,

776
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: sent the opposing head coach into a tailspin, and they

777
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: end up winning that game, which kind of ends up

778
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: reigniting the dynasty. John Harboh is a living about this one.

779
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 1: They would now Sales were player, then Tom would take

780
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: him to line right where and snapped the ball before

781
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: we had a chance to even figure out who was

782
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: lined up where. And that was a deception part of it,

783
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: and was clearly deception. I don't know it's deceiving about that. Hey,

784
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: those guys got to study the rulebook and you know,

785
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 1: figure it out. We obviously knew what we were doing. Okay.

786
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: So there's two things in there. One you talk about

787
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: Brady and the chapter about Guerrero in twenty thirteen. To me,

788
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: Brady for many, many years, comes across in this book

789
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: as so self aware. And there's a couple scenes very early.

790
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: It's when he is willing to meet with the sports

791
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: psychologists at Michigan. It's when he's living with his buddies

792
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: as a backup quarterback in a condo near Foxborough. It's

793
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: when he signs that new deal and is playing air

794
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: guitar with Nugent, the offensive lineman, and like recognizing he's

795
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: a multi millionaire and screaming it out loud. It's so

796
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: like joyful and innocent. And you talk about that and

797
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: like telling his parents after the Super Bowl, everything's going

798
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: to change. I'm going to change, You're going to change.

799
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: And the twenty thirteen to me feels like when he

800
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: completely loses that self awareness. What happened. I think his

801
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: fame exploded to a level that and has continued to

802
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,959
Speaker 1: explode to a level that warps the mind so much

803
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: that you know, he's almost become a version of that

804
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: global elite for whom human longevity is human destiny. Um,

805
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: you know, I think that when you reach a certain

806
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: level of fame. I'm not saying that he's disconnected from

807
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: who he used to be, but you're kind of disconnected

808
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: from the realities of a lot of a lot of people,

809
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: no matter how hard you try to retain that. And yeah,

810
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's one of the kind of character arcs

811
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: that I tried to show with him um, and you know,

812
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: he talks a lot about his mental toughness and how

813
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: he acquired this mental toughness. He's very proud of that,

814
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and so I wanted to try to figure out, like

815
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: how he did this. When you're trying to talk about

816
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's greatness, you're asking like, well, how did he

817
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: get mentally tough? And it goes back to one night

818
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: he had in Michigan. He was buried on the depth

819
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: chart and he tells Lloyd Carr that he's going to

820
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: transfer to cal where he can you know, basically play

821
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: almost a right away as soon as he's eligible. And

822
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: that night he meets with Greg Harden, his sports psychologist,

823
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: and he says, yeah, I'm gonna go to Cal. I'm

824
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: not seeing the field here. I mean I ever play.

825
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: And you think about all the ways that a sports

826
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: psychologist could react. He could give him a hug, he

827
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: could reply with tough love. And Brady at the time

828
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 1: was a self described winer. And Greg Harden starts laughing

829
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: at him in the office and he starts laughing and

830
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: he says, if you leave, no one's gonna care anyway,

831
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: because you haven't done anything here. You want to leave

832
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 1: go ahead, and that really kind of reignited Brady's competitive spirit.

833
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: And his dad later told me, once he decided to

834
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: stay at Michigan, he had to kind of own that

835
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: decision and lose some of those, you know, traits that

836
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: he came in and become more mature. And I love

837
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: that you just talked on that where that's one of

838
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: my favorite things about Brady. He might have been disconnected

839
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: at that point chat from what he used to be,

840
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: but that competitive edge, that killer instinct, like the thing

841
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: that we talk about. You just he's not the mouth athletic,

842
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: he's not the smartest quarterback ever to play. He outworked

843
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: everyone that's ever played the game. I mean, we still

844
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: hear stories about this guy. Again, he's forty forty four

845
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: at this point or forty five, and he's still in

846
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: the off season reaching out to receivers throwing patterns. My

847
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway from your book this seems like a man

848
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: that is not just so obsessive, but just a man

849
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: that literally his life. Again. He has a wife, he

850
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: has kids, he loves them, he spends time with them.

851
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: It's football like this man. Literally he's watching film at

852
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: the dinner table in his twenty first season, Like this guy,

853
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: I feel like we're never gonna see another player like

854
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: him where he put his whole life into it. Again,

855
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: we talked about his regiment with Alex Guerrera, the man

856
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: won't eat the wrong calorie in the last ten years

857
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: because he is just down to the wire about everything

858
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: he does. Has there ever been a player that you've

859
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: studied and been around that has these kind of qualities?

860
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: Are he truly one of the kind? Oh? It's both.

861
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's one of the most interesting

862
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: things about Brady is for as like global and worldly

863
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: as he is, he's not exactly the most well rounded person.

864
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: He has no hobbies, and as he said, he has

865
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: this little sickness inside him that makes him want to

866
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: throw a spiral. And I remember when Chat and I

867
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: worked together at ESPN in twenty thirteen, I believe we

868
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: published you know, one of the greatest stories of all

869
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: time by Right Thompson on Michael Jordan, and it was

870
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: in time for his fiftieth birthday, and the entire story

871
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: was a fascinating read, just because it was such a

872
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: raw look at what it's like to be around Jordan

873
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: on a day to day basis when this thing that

874
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: you have, this this intense competitor veness that's both kind

875
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: of enriched and subtracted from your lives, refuses to go out.

876
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: But he also had a line in there where Jordan said,

877
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, I would give everything away to go back

878
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: and be able to play the game of basketball. I

879
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: think that when Brady's fifty years old, assuming he's retired

880
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: by then, whether he admits it or not, I think

881
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: that he'll probably have those thoughts you mentioned, Simon. I'm

882
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: glad you bring that up because you mentioned Giselle and

883
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: having a family. She's one of my favorite characters in

884
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: the book because she is so fiery and passionate and

885
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: protective and it's not sort of the stuff that is

886
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: well reported about when she goes off on Wes Welker

887
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl against that second Super Bowl against

888
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: the Giants and he should have caught that pass or

889
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: whatever it's when she meets the Michigan sports psychologist, like

890
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: the warmth that she has for him. Explain sort of

891
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 1: that scene, because it's really to me that defines the book,

892
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,239
Speaker 1: Like that's the intimacy that is at the core of

893
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: this book, is how she reacts to this person who

894
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: was so important to her husband. Yeah, Brady and his

895
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 1: wife were in ann Arbor and there was an anniversary

896
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: event for the Michigan National Championship team of nineteen ninety seven,

897
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: which Brady of course was a backup on, and they

898
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: were at a steakhouse and it was interesting because obviously

899
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,240
Speaker 1: Brady's a backup on that team. Charles Woodson and Brian

900
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: Greasy were the superstars, and even in two thousand and seven,

901
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: at this dinner, Brady's fame and success is many magnitudes

902
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: greater than anybody else who was on that team. And

903
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: he's sitting at a table with Giselle and Greg Harden

904
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: comes over and they make eye contact and she goes, oh,

905
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 1: I know who you are because he had told her

906
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: about him. And frankly, you know Tom still talks to

907
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: Greg Harden, and Greg Harden still does you know what

908
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 1: he does. In twenty thirteen, for instance, you know, Brady

909
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: had won one Super Bowl and his entire life had changed,

910
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: and it, you know, fame had come to him the

911
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: way that it always does at warp speed, with no

912
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: time to adjust or think about it or strategize. You're

913
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: just kind of a kite in the wind, and he

914
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: was struggling to adjust to it, and you know, he

915
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: was giving into some of those whiny impulses that, of

916
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: course Chad when he managed me, saw in me sometimes.

917
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 1: And he's complaining to Greg Harden about all these things

918
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: he can't do. He can't go to the cast station,

919
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: he can't do this. People are following him home, or

920
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: he thinks people are following him home, so he has

921
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: to drive long ways anyway. And Greg Harden again starts

922
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: laughing at him, and he says, you know, you want

923
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: to be the best in the world or what you do,

924
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: but you you don't want all this stuff that comes

925
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: with it. And he was like, right now, you can

926
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: pick up a phone and change a kid's life in

927
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: five minutes. You're the hot cookie right now, and you're

928
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: not going to be the hot cookie forever, so you

929
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: should take advantage of this wall you've got it. Of course,

930
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: it turns out Brady has been like the hottest cookie

931
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,439
Speaker 1: ever and he's still a hot cookie twenty years later,

932
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: and he'll never stop being a hot cookie. He's a

933
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: hot cookie you mentioned earlier, sort of the Robert Kraft

934
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: moment where he you know, says, I got to go

935
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: deal with this fucking asshole. And part of the reason

936
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: it feels sensation was because he's swearing. Right. There is

937
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: a chapter of this book that is just called that's

938
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: a lot of fuck use. I think the secondary through

939
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: line of this book is, and that you've done this

940
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: incredibly well for the past six seven years, is reporting

941
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 1: on the power dynamic of the NFL. Like you've turned

942
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: NFL ownership, NFL management, NFL senior levels at the league

943
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 1: level into a beat and have gotten all this behind

944
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff and some of these things are to

945
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: me as fascinating and interesting and then pulled back the

946
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: curtain on the league as anything about the Brady Craft

947
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: Belichick dynamic. When you're reporting that stuff, how much fun

948
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: is it to get it and know that you have it.

949
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: It's a ton of fun. The NFL is the game

950
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: that fans in America care about the most and they

951
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: know about the least, and so anytime you can sort

952
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: of show how these meetings go, it's awesome. I mean,

953
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for years, especially with my co

954
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: author Don Van Dada. You know, we did it a

955
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: lot during the anthem protests in twenty seventeen with the

956
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: print with President Trump, and you know that stuff is

957
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: just cool and I really enjoyed. And there's actually a

958
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: really interesting Craft moment that chapter you alluded to was

959
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: during the twenty eleven collective bargaining agreement negotiations where there

960
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,240
Speaker 1: was the lockout and Myra Craft was on her deathbed

961
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: and Robert Craft was leaving Myra to go try to negotiate,

962
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: and she died, and some of the owners at her

963
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 1: funeral were coming up to the Union chief, to Morris

964
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: Smith and trying to negotiate the deal with him at

965
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: a funeral, and then later they're all in a room together.

966
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: The negotiations are down to offseason workout time. As we

967
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: all know, that's been reduced with almost all of these

968
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: collective art agreements, and so the union wanted to reduce

969
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: it drastically the offseason practice workload. And John Mara, the

970
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: owner of the Giants, protest this and he's like, well,

971
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: the coaches and the gms are going to be pissed

972
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: off about this, and Kraft kind of looks at him

973
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: and he's just like, I'm paraphrasing here. I don't care

974
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: if they're upset. We're not going to kill a deal

975
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: this well because some head coaches and gms are upset

976
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: about offseason practices, and it was kind of a watershed

977
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 1: moment because the players realized that Robert Kraft was truly

978
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: trying to broke her a deal and took their side

979
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: on a key issue. It's amazing. The whole book is amazing.

980
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to do really well, Steph. I would love

981
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: to get your view on the most recent game. Me

982
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: and Chad talked, yes about the Patriots Buccaneers game. There's

983
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: fifty seven seconds left. I believe the Tampa Bay had

984
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: two timeouts. It's fourth and three. He's about to kick

985
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: a fifty six yard field goal. Do you believe Belichick

986
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: fell on his sword? That normal Belichick situations, he goes

987
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: for that. But because of the respect for Brady and

988
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: I kind of like he was setting Brady up for

989
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: that moment. He was really gonna give Brady fifty three

990
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: seconds in that stadium with two time out to go

991
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: down the field and kick a field goal. I would

992
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: love to hear because you're so close to it. I

993
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: would love to see what your view is of. Was

994
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: what was Belichick's thaw process in that final You know

995
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: fourth and three moment. What was he really thinking there? Oh,

996
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I think he wanted to win the game, and I

997
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: mean he came six inches from winning it. That's obviously

998
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: debated decision at the time. I guess I didn't really

999
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: think about it because, I mean the field goal went

1000
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: off the upright, it was so close to me, Like

1001
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: how close it was kind of validated his decision. It

1002
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: was literally a tsunami. That's why. That's why I thought

1003
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: it was such a bizarre move by him, because, yeah,

1004
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: if it's a nice sunny day kick a fifty six

1005
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: yard it was literally sideways ring. That was That's what

1006
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: was so crazy to me. I love the game. I mean,

1007
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was just fascinating to watch those two

1008
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: minds battle against each other on a public stage. It

1009
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: was I mean, Belichick, it reminded me a lot of

1010
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: like the old school, like two thousand and one Patriots,

1011
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: right where you have a pretty good defense, let's teams

1012
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: move the ball, but you know, gets tough in the

1013
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 1: red zone and forces a lot of these quarterbacks to

1014
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: settle in a lot of these great teams and offenses

1015
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: to settle for field goals, and then on offense, you

1016
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: just kind of have a ball control offense, right, and

1017
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to like figure out the geometry of that

1018
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 1: and throw a screen pass or a short pass every

1019
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 1: which way you possibly can. None with the fact that,

1020
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 1: like mac Jones came out, it hit nineteenth straight passes

1021
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: at one point, you know, driving rain like that against

1022
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 1: the defending Super Bowl champions, And it really took all

1023
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady, to all of his ingenuity to beat Bill.

1024
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: I mean they had him a couple of times. And

1025
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: now that first down run, that first down and run

1026
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: where he spiled like a little kid, that was that

1027
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: literally summed up that game. To me. It was like,

1028
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: that's how you know how much it meant to both

1029
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, his legs ended up kind of winning

1030
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: the game for them. I think the Tampa offensive line

1031
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: played great, but weirdly enough, Brady's forty four year old legs,

1032
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,759
Speaker 1: in his ability to kind of extend plays ended up

1033
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: I think, you know, kind of being the difference. And

1034
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 1: so I loved it. I loved every of it. I

1035
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: have one more question before we let you go. I

1036
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 1: one more question. Belichick is so different in this book

1037
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,759
Speaker 1: to me than he is in real life. Right, He's

1038
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 1: so you know, ogreish and not wanting to communicate and

1039
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. You've got great detail about

1040
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: what it's like to communicate with him one on one,

1041
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: and how he likes to communicate with reporters or when

1042
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: he is at his most unguarded. Reveal some of that

1043
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: right now, and how he communicated directly with you. Yeah,

1044
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: one of the times that I one of the things

1045
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: I loved in the book was just trying to learn

1046
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: about what it's like to work for him, right and

1047
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: you know, these days that started four thirty in the

1048
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 1: morning and go until eleven at night, in these meetings

1049
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: where he drives the coach is crazy because you know

1050
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: he's he's asking about decisions over and over and over again,

1051
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: and you know they're kind of running out of patience,

1052
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: but you know, he's just making sure that every that

1053
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 1: there's not any screws loose, and you know, the media

1054
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: was part of that. I thought it was interesting that,

1055
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, I think there was a moment for him

1056
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 1: maybe in the years after Spygate, where he was really

1057
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: interested in letting people see the staggering depth of knowledge

1058
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: that he had accumulated throughout his career. And so with

1059
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: myself and others. You know, he'd give windows into that,

1060
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 1: and he would often you know, wait until eleven or

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Speaker 1: eleven thirty, until his workday was done before he would

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Speaker 1: talk to people. Or if he was in his office,

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Speaker 1: he would kick his feet up and take his shoes in,

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Speaker 1: his socks off. And the coaches would talk about that

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Speaker 1: in meetings. How like, sometimes they were in meetings where

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Speaker 1: he was upset about about games or whatever it happened,

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Speaker 1: and he would kick his feet up on the desk

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Speaker 1: and have untied his shoes and have his socks up there,

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Speaker 1: and they're just going like, oh my god, his feet stink.

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Speaker 1: We're in this stuffy room, we're going through the game,

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Speaker 1: a game that we lost, and he is drilling in

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Speaker 1: and critiquing every bad decision that we made. All the

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Speaker 1: food in the cafeteria is gone. We still haven't done

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Speaker 1: our work for the night, and this thing is you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's almost the beginning of it with hours to

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Speaker 1: go and no end in sight. And you know, so anyway,

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Speaker 1: I just enjoyed kind of like trying to show what

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Speaker 1: it was like to work for him because his football genius.

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Speaker 1: You know, you can't be polite all the time, and

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Speaker 1: you can't be a nice guy all the time to

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Speaker 1: you know, accomplish what he has. I mean, you have

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Speaker 1: to be hard on people and you have to coach

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Speaker 1: them hard and critique them hard, you know, doing it

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Speaker 1: from a perspective that we're all in it together, because,

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Speaker 1: as he said many times, nobody makes more mistakes than

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Speaker 1: he does. Well, listen, it's a great book. That's a

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Speaker 1: great story. It's revealing how inside the book is to

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Speaker 1: Brady Belichick, Craft, the Dynasty, the Mystery Capital are reporting,

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Speaker 1: Seth Wickersham, It's better to be feared. Thanks for joining us, buddy,

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. All Right, this has been

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Speaker 1: the favorite podcast from the Volume podcast network. Guy in

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Speaker 1: Chad Moelman. He's Simon Hunter. Download, subscribe, Apple Podcast, Spotify,

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