1 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Therapy for Black Girls Podcast, a weekly 2 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,520 Speaker 1: conversation about mental health, personal development, and all the small 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 1: decisions we can make to become the best possible versions 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: of ourselves. I'm your host, doctor Joy Hard and Bradford, 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 1: a licensed psychologist in Atlanta, Georgia. For more information or 6 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: to find a therapist in your area, visit our website 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 1: at Therapy for Blackgirls dot com. While I hope you 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: love listening to and learning from the podcast, it is 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: not meant to be a substitute for a relationship with 10 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: a licensed mental health professional. Hey, y'all, thanks so much 11 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: for joining me for session three any one of the 12 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: Therapy for Black Girls Podcast. We'll get right into our 13 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: conversation after word from our sponsors. 14 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: Hi, I'm doctor Enjoy and I'm on the Therapy for 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: Black Girls podcast. Today I'm in session unpacking how running 16 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 2: can improve your mental health. 17 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: They say life is a marathon, not a sprint. So 18 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: today on the podcast, we're going the extra mile by 19 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: bringing you an episode all about running and how it 20 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: can help you build endurance physically and mentally. So if 21 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: you're ready to go the distance and find your stride, 22 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: lace up and get ready to hear from today's Trailblazing guest, 23 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: doctor Nina Joymena. Doctor Nina Joy Minna, known as doctor Enjoy, 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: is an Atlanta based community psychiatrist, author, podcaster, and motivational 25 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: speaker who's passionately dedicated to addressing mental health issues and 26 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: reducing the stigma of mental illness within the black community. 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: An avid runner, she has completed thirty two half marathons 28 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: and nine full marathons, including four international races, finding running 29 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: to be her personal form of therapy. Doctor Enjoy and 30 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: I chatted about how to get started with running, the 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: role of running clubs as a form of community for runners, 32 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: both beginners and advance, and the science behind the runners 33 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: high that can make running so beneficial to our mental 34 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: and physical health. If something resonates with you while enjoying 35 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: our conversation, please share it with us on social media 36 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: using the hashtag TVG in Session or join us over 37 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: in the Sister Circle to talk more about the episode, 38 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: You can join us at community dot therapy for blackgirls 39 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Here's our conversation. Well, thanks so much for 40 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 1: joining us today, Doctor Enjoy. 41 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 42 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a pleasure to chat with you. So you 43 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: are a psychiatrist with platforms like PopSugar have also interviewed 44 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: you about being a black woman runner. So can you 45 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: tell us what is your running story? 46 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. I love talking about my running 47 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: story because running is therapy, it's my zin, it's my 48 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 2: place of peace, and it's also the way I met 49 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: my husband. So yeah, love story. So in two thousand 50 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: and nine I started running. It was actually when I 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: started medical school and I noticed that my weight was 52 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 2: coming up, and I started to run to class tried 53 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 2: to get that weight down, and then I says, well, 54 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: let me start actually working out instead of just running 55 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: the class, and started doing more working out and focusing 56 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: more on diet and things like that. It wasn't until 57 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, though, that I ran my first marathon. A 58 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: friend of mine encouraged me to do that. I was like, 59 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do a whole twenty 60 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: six point two miles, but I did it, and she 61 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: came down to Cincinnati. I was in Cincinnati at the time, 62 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: and she definitely motivated me to do that. And I 63 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: ran into Black Girls Run. It's a running group and 64 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: I joined that group and it was just really great 65 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: being able to be surrounded by black girls who also 66 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: do the same thing as me. And it was in 67 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: twenty fifteen where I was a part of the National 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: Black Marathoners Association on Facebook, and that's how my to 69 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: be husband found me. I guess he liked the way 70 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: my pictures was looking and he asked to be my friend, 71 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: and for two weeks was just liking my pictures. So 72 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,599 Speaker 2: I slid into his DMS and I pretended to ask 73 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: about his pr and how he was running real fast. 74 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,719 Speaker 2: Of course I wanted more than that, and he said, oh, 75 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: I find myself on your page, so you're so stunning, 76 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: and this, that and the other. Of course, the rest 77 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: is history. We would meet up at different races because 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: he was here in Atlanta, I was in Cincinnati, and 79 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: it just became like a national thing for us, and 80 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: then an international thing. Ran about four marathons in another country. 81 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: Now I've done thirty two half marathons. I have a 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: goal of running one hundred marathons by fifty. Yeah. I 83 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: can talk on and on and on. I don't know 84 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 2: how much time I had for that. 85 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: We will definitely get of the details of that. But 86 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: you made it sound very easy. Right, like, oh, I 87 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: just started running to class. Had you had a history 88 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: of running before, because I feel like for people who 89 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: don't run, do you just start running randomly or like, 90 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: should there be more preparation. 91 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: That's a good point. I was in a marching band 92 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 2: in high school, but I wasn't a runner, and I 93 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: would just pick up the pace a bit and I 94 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 2: had a book bag, so it wasn't like I was 95 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: really doing what I should have been doing. It was 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 2: probably along the time when I started talking to my 97 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: friend who was into marathoning, Denise Fair. Shout out to her, 98 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: who would tell me more about running, and of course 99 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: the run groups would teach me about like pacing, and 100 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 2: that's when you start to learn about not going too 101 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 2: fast when you run and more focus on your breathing, 102 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: making sure you get the right shoes and things like that. 103 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: So you start to learn along the way, especially when 104 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: you start to run with people, and you don't start 105 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: with running, right, I mean, you might start by walking, 106 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: you might start by jogging, just really all depends. It 107 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: was a little bit smaller back then, so I probably 108 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: was running a little faster, but as of late, I'm 109 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: a little slower. But it's Okay, it doesn't matter, and 110 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 2: everyone's there to support you no matter what your pace is. 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: Got it. So you mentioned your goal is to get 112 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: up to one hundred marathons, So tell us a little 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: bit more about your actual running routine. Is there a 114 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: particular time of day do you run? Are there certain 115 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: goals that you set for your running tell us more 116 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: about your routine. 117 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: So I have three boys, so my running routine self 118 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: ca routine kind of surround them, but I make sure 119 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: I get it in. There are certain days where I 120 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: work out or run at the end of the day 121 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: because they're already in bed, So maybe nine pm, nine 122 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: point thirty I'm running. I'm getting on the treadmill because 123 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 2: I have a Peloton tread And then there's stays where 124 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: I'm able to drop them off early and I start 125 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: work a little bit later, so I'm able to do 126 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: my running in the beginning of the day. So it 127 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,719 Speaker 2: just really all depends, and it does vary. I try 128 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: to get a run in at least five days a week, 129 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: and I've come to learn, doctor Joy, that I need running. 130 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: There's a reason why I say running is my therapy. 131 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: If I go, I would say two full days without 132 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: a run in, I start to feel it, the anxiety 133 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: or the stress, because stress and challenges attack us every day, 134 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: all day, no matter what. But there's certain points where 135 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 2: you feel stronger and it doesn't quite affect you. So 136 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: when I get my running in and whatever exercise I 137 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: might do, I feel better. I'm able to be more resilient. 138 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 2: But I can tell when I haven't gotten an it. 139 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: So people say, well, how are you running at ten pm? 140 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 2: Or how are you doing ten miles in the rain? 141 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: I have to do it. 142 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: So is there a particular mile limit for you and 143 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: you are more experienced runner now, right, But is there 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: like a mile limit where it's like, okay, if I 145 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: don't get this certain amount in, then I can notice 146 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 1: a change in my mental health. 147 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: I personally like to get in at least a five k, 148 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 2: so that's like three point one miles. It doesn't mean 149 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: that one mile isn't going to do it. I just 150 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: feel like I need a little bit more, just in general, 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: to make sure I'm getting a good one work out in. 152 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: But you know, if a person is down to the 153 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: point where they're only doing a mile, that's still okay. 154 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: Right. 155 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: A mile is better than sitting on the couch, So 156 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 2: I think it doesn't matter. In fact, I did go 157 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 2: three days without working out because I had a lot 158 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: of stuff going on, and as tired as I was, 159 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 2: I said, let me get that five k in this morning. 160 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: So I got it in. 161 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: So you mentioned already that you feel like you're more resilient, 162 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: You're able to manage stress better when you know you've 163 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: gotten your run in. What other changes to your mental 164 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: health have you noticed from being a consistent runner? 165 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: Right? 166 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 2: So, yeah, the resilience, the anxiety level is down, the 167 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 2: stress level is down. We all have thresholds for what 168 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: we can take right. So there might be certain days 169 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: where like the house floods or are you getting an accident, 170 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 2: or someone yells at you at work, and you're just 171 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: like super cool, You're a shield, nothing's gonna get at you. 172 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: But then there's days where all of that can get in. 173 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,439 Speaker 2: And so I feel like my shield is up, that 174 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: threshold is so high you can't touch me. I'm able 175 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 2: to keep my joy despite what you do, or what 176 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: you say, or what goes around me when I'm running. 177 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 2: So I feel like the mental health benefits. Also, it 178 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: helps with depression, so I don't suffer from clinical depression. 179 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: Of course, we all can get sad, we all can 180 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 2: face grief and things like that. So when I lost 181 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 2: my father three years ago, I made sure I stuck 182 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: with my running routine so that I can be able 183 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 2: to face grief. So I feel like people dealing with trauma, 184 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: the people dealing with grief depression, it helps with that 185 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: as well, and definitely some physical benefits as well. 186 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: Can you get into some of the science behind, like 187 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: why running is so good for our mental health? 188 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we always talk about the endorphins. You might 189 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 2: hear that the endorphins the endorphins and do orphans. So 190 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,079 Speaker 2: there's a release of endorphins hormones that get released while 191 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: we are running from our brains. And there's been years 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: and years of research that talks about the runners high 193 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 2: and that the endorphins are behind that, that the adrenaline rush. 194 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: I actually read an article recently there was trying negate that, 195 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 2: but I'm not so mad at that article because it 196 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: actually talks about the fact that those endorphins stay in 197 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: the brain and don't pass the blood brain barrier. So 198 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 2: therefore it was kind of like, well, how can these 199 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 2: endorphins really give us the running high and really make 200 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 2: us feel good, and actually talked about indo cannabinoids. We 201 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 2: actually have our own receptors cannabinoid. That sounds familiar, right, 202 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: We cannabis. We have our own internal cannabis receptors called 203 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: in the cannabinoids, and they say that that chemical passes 204 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 2: the blood brain bury and goes to our external extremities, 205 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: and that is potentially behind the ability to reduce our 206 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: stress levels, reduce the pain levels as well as that 207 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: runner's high. And it really depends on who you are 208 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: and how many miles you're doing whether you get that 209 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 2: runners high. I've noticed that feeling like maybe after eight miles, 210 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: I might feel like, ooh, this was good. But I 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: get the benefit of stress relief and just feeling good 212 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: from any run. It doesn't have to be a long run, 213 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: you know, Doctor. 214 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: Jel, I'm curious to hear your thoughts about this because 215 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: it does feel like when people are thinking about doing 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: more physical activity, right, a lot of us know the 217 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,959 Speaker 1: importance of physical activity for our mental and our physical health. 218 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: As you've mentioned, it does feel like running is one 219 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: of those things that people tend to start with, even 220 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: if they have not had a history of running. Do 221 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: you find that running is a physical activity that is 222 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: more easy for people to get into if they've found 223 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: exercise difficult in the past. 224 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: I think so there's two answers to that. It's easy 225 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 2: because you don't need equipment. Of course, you need a 226 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: good repair of running shoes, but technically you can run 227 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 2: in any outfit you want to. Of course, once you 228 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: really get into it, you realize that running is the 229 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 2: most expensive free sport out there, because you want to 230 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: get these good shoes, you want to get the cute top, 231 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: and you want to get the earbuds, and all kinds 232 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: of things are running bound and all that. But outside 233 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: of that, it's easy to start because you don't need equipment. 234 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: You really don't need those extra things that could make 235 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: it expensive. Of course, when you sign up for races, 236 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: it can be expensive too, but it's worth it. And 237 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 2: I would say it's definitely easy because of that. But 238 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: people look at runners people running, and you don't have 239 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: to run at that pace. It's easy because you can 240 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: start with a walk. You can do intervals. You can 241 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 2: walk for thirty seconds and then run for thirty seconds, 242 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,959 Speaker 2: walk for a minute and run for a minute, or jog. 243 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 2: There's many different apps out there, just couch for five K, 244 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: as well as different interval apps that literally tell you 245 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: when to stop and when to start back up again. 246 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: So of course I'm biased. I think it's easy because 247 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: that's what I do. Let the other answer to that, 248 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: a lot of people complain about, well, I get winded. 249 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 2: It's just so hard. I can't even run up the block. 250 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: Of course, you want to check in with your doctor 251 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 2: to make sure you are able and fit enough to run. 252 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: But once you are told you are fit enough to run, 253 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 2: sometimes that feeling is normal. You're gonna feel that in 254 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 2: the beginning, but your body's gonna get used to it. 255 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: The stamina is going to go up, you're gonna get stronger, 256 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 2: and you're going to realize that you're running faster. 257 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 1: So I'm curious, doctor Enjoy, do you get some of 258 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: those same endorphin releases from like a long walk, because 259 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: there's been a lot of research that talks about walking 260 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: also being really good for our mental health. Is it 261 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: comparable to running? Of course it's different, right in terms 262 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: of like the cardio piece, but in terms of like 263 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: the endorphin piece, is it comparable to walking and running? 264 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 2: I think it's different in probably the level of endorphins 265 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 2: that are released. But in general, when I talk to 266 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: my patients about what's your self care? What do you 267 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 2: do for coping? You know, they say they go out 268 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 2: for a walk, the sun is hitting their face, that 269 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: vitamin D is increasing their joy and so there's a 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 2: lot of relief and peace and serenity with walking that 271 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: you could also get with running. But the level of endorphins, 272 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: a level of adrenaline that comes out from running when 273 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 2: your heart rate goes up higher, it's different. But it 274 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: doesn't mean you're not getting any benefit at all. But 275 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 2: I would say it's different. Got it. 276 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: So let's talk more to the beginners, because I would 277 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: imagine there are probably lots of people who are enjoying 278 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: our conversation that are maybe interested or thinking they want 279 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: to do it. Is the recommended amount of time to 280 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: start if you are starting as a runner. 281 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, you mean like gearing up for a race or 282 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 2: just in general. 283 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: Well, not a race, just like I want to get 284 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: more physically active and running is the way I want 285 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: to do it. 286 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: Oh, well, there's no recommended amount of time. Just go 287 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: out there see what you can do. Like I said, 288 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: you can start with the walk and you know, pick 289 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: up the pace. Most people have a smart watch. The 290 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 2: smart watches check your walking steps. You can also turn 291 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: it on the running and it can track your pace. 292 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: So I would say start at a slow pace. When 293 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: I was pregnant, I was walking like an eighteen minute walk. 294 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 2: So I feel like an eighteen minute walk is probably 295 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: a nice brisk walk, and about a fourteen minute that's 296 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: probably a nice slower jog. So you can start, you 297 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: look at your pace and say, okay, I'm going fourteen minutes, 298 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: so let me do that, and that's a jog. And 299 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: if it feels too slow, you're like, let me go faster, 300 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 2: then you go faster. You track how you feel and 301 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 2: what works for you, and of course it's helpful when 302 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: you have a buddy to walk with. I mentioned Black 303 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: Girls Run for instance. There's different meetup groups that you 304 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: can join, and there's different levels even for them. I 305 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: used to lead a run group within Black Girls Running Cincinnati, 306 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: and I would just say, hey, you guys are walkers. 307 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: You guys walk, you guys jog, we run. So it's 308 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: really helpful to push yourself when you're walking or running 309 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 2: or jogging with somebody else do. 310 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: More from our conversation after the break, but first a 311 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: quick snippet of what's coming next week on TVG. 312 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: It's thought that we are two times more likely to 313 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: have Alzheimer's disease than other racist and ethnicities, and nobody 314 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 3: knows why. And so I wanted to start a study 315 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: where I could really focus in on older African Americans 316 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: because most of the research has actually been done with 317 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 3: older white people. And so I started a study of 318 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 3: older African Americans who I've been following since two thousand 319 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: and four in Chicago. That's how we're able to discover 320 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 3: or to find out what are some unique risks factors 321 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: that might be causing impairment in African Americans. Is that 322 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: everybody's starting without dementia. You're following them over time. Some 323 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: people are going to get dementia eventually, right, some people, 324 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: And so that you could really see, like, you know, 325 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 3: what were the factors that were different in people that 326 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 3: led to dementia. 327 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: And what tips would you suggest for building your stamina? 328 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: Like if I'm starting off jogging but I want to 329 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: gradually increase the running, how do I build my stamina? 330 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: So you can use apps? Apps can be really helpful 331 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: or different programs. So there's a couch to five k 332 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 2: I mentioned where they really steadily tell you okay, walk 333 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: for ten minutes and then walk for twenty minutes the 334 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: next day, and then the third day is a rest day, 335 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: and then the next day is you might run for 336 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: a minute or do some intervals or speed intervals. So 337 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: there's different apps out there that can really help you 338 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: if you aren't sure, and of course the running groups 339 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,479 Speaker 2: are really helpful. And just to speak back to what 340 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: you said about mental health benefits and the resiliency that 341 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: you get from running, you are more successful in other 342 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: areas of your life when you're successful at running, because 343 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 2: you feel good about something that you've accomplished. And there's 344 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: a really good metaphor with running. We always talk about 345 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 2: life as a marathon, not a sprint. And when you're 346 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: able to get through that run that you set out 347 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 2: to do, whether it's a mile run, a ten minute run, 348 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: whatever you did, you feel like you can accomplish everything 349 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 2: else in your life. You feel more organized, or maybe 350 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 2: I just say I feel more organized and like I'm 351 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: able to do more things. So just wanted to add 352 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 2: that real quick as well. 353 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 1: Appreciate you saying that it made me think of you know, 354 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned you've already run a number of marathons, but 355 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: your goal is to get up to one hundred. And 356 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: I do feel like people who really get into running, 357 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: like they are always running races. Is there some psychology too, 358 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: because I feel like myself the non runner, like if 359 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: I do the first one, I feel like I would 360 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: have done everything I needed to do. So is that 361 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: the accomplishment piece that you're seeing makes you want to 362 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 1: continue to like, here's my next marathon? 363 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it goes beyond the runners high. When I run 364 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: across the finished life for the first time, I was 365 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 2: just like, I did it. This is great. Where's the 366 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 2: next race? Because sometimes when you're training like it doesn't 367 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: feel good, You're like, oh my gosh, I'm at mile twenty, 368 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm in mile fifteen, what is this? What am I doing? 369 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: Why did I pay for this? I'm in so much pain? 370 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: And then when you cross the finish like, you're like, 371 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 2: I did it. And so I mean that's how it 372 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: is like with life, like the pain of trauma, the 373 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: pain of stress, parenting, stress, you know, all those kinds 374 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 2: of things, and when you accomplish something, it feels good. 375 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 2: And that's how it is with running. Signing up for races, 376 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: that's my motivation. I have to sign up for a race, 377 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: pay my money, and then I get me back into 378 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 2: my routine that I get me running and training and 379 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 2: getting my goals. Like I said, I have three boys. 380 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 2: The youngest are one and three. So when I had 381 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: the three or he's almost four, so that was in 382 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, I was completely off my game. I did 383 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: not really have that much motivation. I had hip pain 384 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: because of the way the birth went, and I literally 385 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 2: thought I wasn't gonna be able to run again. It 386 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 2: was pretty sad because I was just like, I love running, 387 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: I need running. So I just started with walking and 388 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 2: slowly get to like a jog and things like that. 389 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: But it took a year, and I says, you know what, 390 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: I need to sign up for a race. That's what's 391 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 2: gonna do it. I was intimidated by that thought because 392 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: I was like, seriously, it took a year, so how 393 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 2: are you gonna run? I signed up for Public's Half 394 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: Marathon and I did it. I was able to schedule 395 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 2: my runs. I got to get it in because you're 396 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 2: not gonna pay your money and not run the race. 397 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really it's really like that. Got it. 398 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: So you mentioned briefly the importance of a good running shoe. 399 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: Can you talk more about why you are picking certain 400 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: kinds of shoes and why it is really important to 401 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 1: pay attention to footwear as a runner. 402 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is important. I actually started out just I 403 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: started out with a six fas because I love colors, 404 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 2: and so a six had colors, bright colors, so I 405 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 2: wore those for half marathons and marathons. Later to find 406 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: out at running Expo and I saw Brooks, they had 407 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: this big, whole, huge display and they were sizing you 408 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 2: up and getting you to run on a treadmill and 409 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 2: telling you what kind of shoes you to run it. And 410 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 2: they were like, oh, you're not supposed to run more 411 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: than ten miles in a six. I was like, okay, 412 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: well I actually have done that. So there are certain 413 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 2: shoes that you're supposed to be like for walking, supposed 414 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: to be for running, supposed to be for jogging. So 415 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 2: doing that research for yourself is important. Ever since that 416 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: expo in twenty sixteen, I've been doing Brooks and nothing 417 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: else because it actually worked out so going to your 418 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: local running shoe store and they can help you get 419 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: fitted because it is important. You can have ankle pain, 420 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: knee pain, hip pain. All those joints are connected and 421 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 2: if you have some type of pain, it could be 422 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: your shoe. Yeah. 423 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: When I was thinking about running, because I feel like 424 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: I'm toy with this at multiple points of my life, 425 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: and I realized, oh, like they put you on a treadmill, 426 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 1: the like they measure your run to like figure out 427 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,439 Speaker 1: what you used to be wearing. So it is like 428 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of technology involved in figuring out the 429 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: right shoe for everybody. 430 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. 431 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, once you got you got it, though exactly exactly exactly. 432 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: So you mentioned that most people use smart watches and 433 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: stuff to track their progress. Are there other technology things 434 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: that you can get very advanced and the kinds of 435 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: things you use to track your runs? What are the 436 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: kinds of things do you like and typically enjoy in 437 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: terms of technology for your run. 438 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 2: Well, I love my earbut or a bluetooth. Rather, I 439 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 2: do my bluetooth, I hook it up to my phone. 440 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: At music, I have to run with music. Some people 441 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: they like to run, they like to hear their footsteps 442 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: running or hear nature. I love the music and other 443 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: gadgets that I've not used, but it came with the 444 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 2: first watch that I bought. It was a garment. Everybody 445 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: was big on garments. I don't know if that's still 446 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: a thing now. But the heart rate monitor, I never 447 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: did get into that, but I do see it on 448 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 2: a lot of runners to track their heart rate. Sure, 449 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 2: it's important to track your heart rate because for the 450 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: most part, like whatever workout you're doing, you might want 451 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: to have a goal of a particular heart rate to 452 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 2: get to. But I keep it simple whatever helps you, 453 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: because you want to stay at the point where running 454 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 2: is beneficial to you and not too much work, like, 455 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: oh I gotta track this, I gotta track that. It 456 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 2: can get competitive, and the goal is to be competitive 457 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: with yourself, and it can be like, oh I got 458 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 2: to run a two hour half, I gotta run a 459 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: thirty minute five k. It can't get that way. But 460 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 2: you know, I would say, as long as it's still 461 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 2: fun for you, do it. I got it. 462 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: I know a lot of people also run with like 463 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: fitbits and those kinds of things, which I think is 464 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 1: comparable to like your smart whack rate. So how do 465 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: you nourish your body after a run, like are there's 466 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: certain snacks and things that you should be eating after 467 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: a run to keep your body moving. 468 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a whole journey because I love food. 469 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: If there's all kinds of signs and the teachers no 470 00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: run for ice cream, I run for beer, I run 471 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 2: for cake and things like that. And my first marathon, 472 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,959 Speaker 2: I gained ten pouds my marathon training and I was like, 473 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 2: why did I gain? But that was because I was 474 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 2: burning off so much calories that I needed. I was 475 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: eating so much. And also I felt the need to 476 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: eat before a run. I'm like, well why not, right, 477 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 2: I would eat a full meal or some old meal 478 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: before a run. And my husband he's alway looking at me, 479 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: like what I need an empty stomach? How are you 480 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: doing that? Like keep with fast? I'm like, how do 481 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 2: you do that? I can't do that, but I would 482 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 2: do that as well as the energy jails. There's energy jails, 483 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: energy gummies, different things that you can take while running 484 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,879 Speaker 2: to make sure you're keeping the protein that you need, 485 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 2: the lectro likes that you need, and of course running 486 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 2: with water. So as of now, I don't eat before 487 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,200 Speaker 2: a run. I have completely changed because I said, let 488 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 2: me see, let me try this out. I can't believe it. 489 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: I could do a twelve mile without eating beforehand, but 490 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: I still have my energy jels. You still got to 491 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: listen to your body and do those things. But to 492 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 2: your point after running, as far as nourishment, just making 493 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: sure you get the carbs that you need, making sure 494 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 2: you're hydrating. They used to say the best post run 495 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 2: drink is chocolate milk. I guess because it's got like 496 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: the protein in it and the sugar that you need. 497 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 2: I don't do that. I feel like that would make 498 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: my stomach hurt. But I love smoothies, smoothie bowl fruit, 499 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 2: things like that, but I try to stay away from 500 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 2: Oh I got to completely car bloat and have a 501 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 2: stack of pancakes because you still can gain weight that way. 502 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 2: It's still about the diet, got it. 503 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: Are there any other perceived challenges to running that we 504 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: haven't talked about we talked about, like shoes and some 505 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: of the mindset stuff. Are there other challenges you hear 506 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: from people who maybe you are interested in getting started 507 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: with running. 508 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 2: I mean, of course there's the challenges of people who 509 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: have different issues within their body, like if they have 510 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: knee problems or back problems and things like that. But 511 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 2: of course that's where you want to talk with your 512 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 2: doctor see if it's something that you can do. Because 513 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: running is high resistance, right, high impacts. You're on your 514 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: knees and things like that. You have to make sure 515 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,040 Speaker 2: you're getting your stretches in. Yoga is really good. I 516 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: know years ago I used to incorporate yoga really well. 517 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: But just making sure you're getting those stretches in is 518 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: definitely important. But in general, it can be painful. Right 519 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: if you run long distances, the next day, you're like 520 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,239 Speaker 2: having those muscle aches. And for me, I like that 521 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 2: because I'm like, oh, that means I did something of 522 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 2: the post workout pain. But yeah, it can be painful, 523 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: but it's that mindset thing. Like you said, you still 524 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 2: feel good because you know you're doing something good and 525 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: something successful for yourself. 526 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: So you already mentioned being a part of Black Girl's Run, 527 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: and I feel like a part of why Black Girls 528 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,919 Speaker 1: Run was founded was around like safety concerns and not 529 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: being the only black girl running in a particular place. 530 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear about any safety concerns you feel 531 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: like you've experienced as a black woman, and any tip 532 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: you would share for other black women we're thinking about runn. 533 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: I mean you obviously you don't want to be safe 534 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 2: and be cautious, run in light, bright areas, Run with 535 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: someone if you can. And I used to run with 536 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 2: a black girl's running Cincinnati, and so that area we 537 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: meet up at a park, and that park could get 538 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 2: pretty dark, and our run time was about six pm, 539 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 2: so in the wintertime it was always dark, and so 540 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 2: we would make sure we look out for each other, 541 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 2: make sure we have reflective gear. And then sometimes if 542 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 2: you meet up with a five am run group, obviously 543 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: you want to make sure you have the reflective gear. 544 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 2: There's lights that you can wear on your head. I 545 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 2: ran with pepper spray up to a certain point. Thankfully 546 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 2: nothing actually has happened, but you just have to be 547 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: cautious in those situations. I know for some women they 548 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: feel the need to dress a certain way. I don't. 549 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 2: I mean, I wear my bright, flashy pinks and purples 550 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: and teals. When I run, I'll wear my sports brawl 551 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 2: and my tight shorts or tight leggings and things like that, 552 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 2: because I'm just like you gonna mess with me I'm 553 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 2: gonna have to just I'll run you, and I'm singing 554 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: and dancing and doing all those things because it just 555 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: feels good. You can let free. But yeah, it's definitely 556 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 2: nice to be able to run with the group. I 557 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: don't always run the same route, so if you're predictable, 558 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,919 Speaker 2: if someone's actually tracking you but not going down any alleyways, 559 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: me and smart about it. And I like to run 560 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 2: where there are cars. Some people don't like to run 561 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,479 Speaker 2: where they are cars because they're watching them. Running at 562 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 2: parks are good too, if they have some nice long trails. 563 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 2: Got it? 564 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: Got it more from our conversation after the break. So 565 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: the running and cycling Appstrava's annual report shows an eleven 566 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: percent increase in new running clubs in twenty twenty three, 567 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,440 Speaker 1: and we really talked a little bit about this, right. 568 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,959 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could share what running clubs actually 569 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: do and how you might decide if you want to 570 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,119 Speaker 1: join one. 571 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: It's a whole community, it's a family. So I keep 572 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 2: going back to Black Girls Run Cincinnati because that was 573 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: where I started my run. It's where I first engaged 574 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 2: with BGR. I was in residency training, so all my 575 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 2: friends were doctors and joining the running group. My friends 576 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 2: weren't on doctors anymore. I could talk about other things 577 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: and they did other things, and it was just really great. 578 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: And it wasn't just meeting up to run or walk. 579 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,920 Speaker 2: It was like, Hey, let's go do brunch, let's go 580 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,679 Speaker 2: to the mall, let's go do these different things. And 581 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 2: so you have a whole family of women that you 582 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 2: call your sisters. And when you had a turn, we 583 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 2: will say run bully. If you were a run bully, 584 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: it met that you were a motivator or a coach. 585 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: And somehow I got that term because I would be 586 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: telling people like, you can run, you can do it 587 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,959 Speaker 2: frum faster, you know I would do. They're like, you're 588 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: a run bully. But I love it. So you get that, 589 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: you know, playful banter between each other. And it's just 590 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: great because if you moved to a city and you're 591 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: by yourself, there's groups like this that are very helpful 592 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: for you to just automatically join it. Everyone's nice and welcoming. 593 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: When you were one of the leaders of the group, 594 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: there would be different sections for people who wanted to walk, 595 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: so all of them are not like everybody's a hardcore runner. 596 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Typically they are like factions where you could be with 597 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: people who are at your peak. 598 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: Factions. Yeah, I mean most people are joggers or walkers 599 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 2: to be honest. Even the group I would do down 600 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: in Brookhaven, we were joggers at that point. I was 601 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 2: starting to have kids. I was telling you, not a right. 602 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm back to a running base now. 603 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, everyone's looking out for each other. And 604 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 2: another thing we would do, like say one walker showed 605 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 2: up and then it was like three runners and so 606 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: it's four of us. We would look out for her. 607 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: We would either one of us would just walk or 608 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: for the most part, what would happen, because yeah, we 609 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 2: all want to get in our workout. We would kind 610 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: of like do a change it. So if everybody's running 611 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: down the street, like I would run up for a 612 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: block and then run back and check on her. So 613 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 2: we would make sure people weren't by themselves. 614 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: Mm hm. So I think this would be particularly interesting 615 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: to you. So a recent article from The Cut discussed 616 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: how people are using running clubs as dating apps, and 617 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: you mentioned that you met your husband not necessarily like this, right, 618 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: It sounds like it was more of a Facebook group 619 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: four runners but feels. 620 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: Similar and so. 621 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: A person that was interviewed for the article said she 622 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: was concerned that if things went sour, it would taint 623 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: their gym experience, which she says is sacred for them both. 624 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on this and how might a 625 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: person navigate instances of unwanted romantic advances in running spaces? 626 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: Gotcha, Well, that's interesting because right, I mean, haven't been 627 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 2: married now for some years. It's like I'm hearing about 628 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 2: Facebook dating you that's where I'm not my husband and 629 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 2: then not running dating. Well it's great though, because you 630 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: got that niche that you want to meet someone within, 631 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 2: So I think it's cool. But I mean there's gonna 632 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: be a way for you to show a green light 633 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 2: that yeah, I'm on here for dating versus not. But 634 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: I think it's like anything anything in anywhere where. If 635 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: someone comes on to you and you don't want to, 636 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: you gently turn it down, say hey, you know, I 637 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 2: can go on a run with you, but I'm not 638 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 2: interested in dating. And that's that empowerment piece and making 639 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: sure you're able to speak to what your needs are. 640 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I mean I do think to your 641 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: point that it is typically good to meet people who 642 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: are interested in the kinds of things that you're interested in. 643 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: But I do think if people are like joining for 644 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the wrong intentions or they're not serious about workouts and 645 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: you really are, then there's a mismatch there. But I 646 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: think the empowerment piece is important, right to make your 647 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: intentions know, Yeah exactly, m h yeah yeah. So what 648 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: affirmations would you give to somebody who is having a 649 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: difficult time getting started with running. 650 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 2: I would say just saying to yourself, I can do this. 651 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:43,000 Speaker 2: That affirmation is very important. I'm strong, I am a runner, 652 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: you know, say the things that you want to be 653 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 2: that you aren't confessed those things. Listening to motivational videos 654 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: I forgot to bring that up in the beginning. I 655 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 2: would always search for inspirational running motivational speeches on YouTube, 656 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: and there's some that they're just like screaming at you. 657 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: Then they're like amping you up, you can do this, 658 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 2: stay hard, you know, and you're just like, yeah, I 659 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 2: can go run like thirty miles now and it just 660 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,719 Speaker 2: feel really good. Of course, there's the gentle ones if 661 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 2: you prefer that, but usually when it comes to trying 662 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 2: to get your adrenaline up. Then those real hype ones 663 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: are really nice. But that's what I would do to 664 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: gear myself up, because it literally is a mind over matter. 665 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 2: As long as you know you can do it, it's 666 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 2: a matter of getting your mind ready. So some of 667 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 2: those five am runs that I used to do years back, 668 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 2: that's why I would play those motivational speeches because I 669 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 2: just had to gear myself up, because once you feel 670 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 2: that you can do it and you have a goal, 671 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna run for this amount of time, for this 672 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 2: amount of miles, then your body's gonna catch up. Your 673 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 2: body can do it. 674 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that. So you've already shared, doctor, 675 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: enjoy some of the metaphors we use for running throughout life. 676 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: But I'm wondering if you could talk a little bit 677 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: more about what running can teach us about discipline. 678 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 2: Yes, it definitely applies every time, and even with pregnancy. 679 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 2: When I was pregnant, it was almost done. My husband's 680 00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 2: so amazing. I think I was in labor and he 681 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 2: was just like, you're at the finish line. You're there, 682 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 2: You're at mile twenty three, You're almost done. And that's 683 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: just how life is in general. Is it's inch by inch. 684 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 2: The first part of your run, you are feeling some 685 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 2: kind of way or some pain because you gotta warm up. 686 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: You're not warmed up yet. Then the next part of 687 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: your run you're warmed up, but then you're feeling a 688 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: different kind of way because maybe you're dehydrated. And the 689 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 2: next part of the run you're finally feeling good for 690 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 2: some time, but then there's another part where you're just 691 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 2: like in pain because you've been running too law. So 692 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: it's like a matter of being able to switch gears 693 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 2: and switch your mind to I can do this no 694 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: matter what. I got this, I'm stronger, and it's a 695 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 2: whole therapeutic experience for me and for a lot of 696 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 2: runners that I talk to. 697 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: And it sounds like you incorporate a lot of these 698 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080 Speaker 1: kinds of conversations with patients. I'm wondering what kinds of 699 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: conversations are you having about running with your clients and 700 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: your practice. 701 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: Yes, I have a private practice, virtual private practice. I 702 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 2: also am chief medical officer at chris wan As, a 703 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: community mental health center, and I talk with patients there 704 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 2: and it's not just about medication for me. I do 705 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 2: therapeutic strategies with my patients as well, because I never 706 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 2: know what they're doing with their therapists. So that's why 707 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 2: I make sure I talk about therapeutic strategies for them 708 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 2: as well, and just in general, it's not just about 709 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 2: just therapy and what we do for our mind, but 710 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: we have to make sure we're catering towards our physical health, 711 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 2: our financial health, as well as social health and aspirational health, 712 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: meeting our purpose. And so it's interesting that bring that 713 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: up because I actually just publish a journal called The 714 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: Endjointo that helps people cater towards their mental health, physical health, 715 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 2: financial health, aspirational and social health. But yes, it doesn't 716 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 2: have to be running, right, I'm a runner. I love it. 717 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 2: I talk to them about running, but I say, well, 718 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 2: what works for you, because I recognize that not everybody 719 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: can run. Is it swimming for you? Is it yoga? 720 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 2: Is it pilates? Is it just a gentle walk down 721 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 2: the street. When I'm running, I run into this black woman, 722 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,120 Speaker 2: she's older than me. She walks eight miles every single day, 723 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 2: walks eight miles every day. I'm like, wow, that is amazing. 724 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 2: So it really doesn't matter what you do, but just 725 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 2: helping them, figure out what works for them and then 726 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 2: just going from there. I love it. 727 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: So you mentioned how important music is to your run. 728 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: I want to know what two artists have to be 729 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: on your running playlist. 730 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 2: So it's not the artist, it's the type of music. 731 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 2: I love the electronica music and music. And well, you 732 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 2: know what, I can't name an artist David Ghetta because 733 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: he takes any music so Rihanna, jay Z, any type 734 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 2: of song and he makes it into that electronica type 735 00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 2: of feel. So if you type in David Ghetto, you're like, 736 00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 2: but I thought this was Rihanna, It says David Ghetta 737 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 2: because he takes the songs and he remixes them. So 738 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 2: I like to listen to those kinds of songs and 739 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: it gets me going. And as of late, I realized 740 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: that hip hop works too, because hip hop has a 741 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: certain pace, and it's really nice to run to a 742 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 2: certain pace, to a certain beat because that helps you 743 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: keep your pace. 744 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 1: You got it. So you've mentioned black Girls run several times. 745 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: I think you mentioned a group on Facebook National Black Marathoners. 746 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: Are there other like organizations or resources that you think 747 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: would be helpful for people to learn more information? Or 748 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: find community around running. 749 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, So in Atlanta, there's a black owned race called 750 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 2: the Race Unity Collective by Test, she's the founder and organizer. 751 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: So that race is always a five k and a 752 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 2: half marathon. It's always in octobers. Black people. Of course, 753 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,760 Speaker 2: white people can register and go, but it really literally 754 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,720 Speaker 2: it's in East Point and it's in the black area 755 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 2: where you usually would not see any race. But it's 756 00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: cool because we're going through the uhbc's and we're going 757 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 2: through the black neighborhoods and they're all looking at us 758 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 2: like what y'all doing? Y'all running from something. But that's 759 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 2: nice because we're able to advocate and encourage other people 760 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 2: to run too. But it's a whole community. They do 761 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: community service that weekend of the race as well, and 762 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 2: then there's a big, huge health expo where we encourage 763 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,279 Speaker 2: people to work on their health and motivate them to 764 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 2: be runners and things like that. So that's one. I 765 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 2: know Girls on the Run. I've never volunteered with them, 766 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: but that's a huge one that caters to young girls 767 00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 2: who want to run, so not even adults, but young girls. 768 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,880 Speaker 2: But there's definitely many groups out there. The running stores, 769 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: a lot of them have events as. 770 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: Well, perfect We'll be sure to include that in the 771 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: show notes. So where can we stay connected with you, 772 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Enjoy Can we grab a copy of the journal 773 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,239 Speaker 1: with your website or any social media handles you'd like 774 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: to share? 775 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 2: Thank you? Well, I'm trying to be everywhere. I don't 776 00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 2: know if everywhere is where I'm at, but I'm trying 777 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 2: to be everywhere. So my website is doctorenjoylife dot com 778 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 2: that's spelled d r Njoylife and Instagram. I'm doctor dot 779 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,120 Speaker 2: enjoy dot life, but doctors dr enjoys with an N 780 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 2: not any so dr dot njoy dot life on Facebook, 781 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,839 Speaker 2: I'm enjoy Life on YouTube. I'm doctor enjoy Life MD 782 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:21,319 Speaker 2: and my podcast every Thursday Live on Facebook. I put 783 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 2: that on YouTube Instagram as well, and then I'm on 784 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 2: all the hoodcast platforms, so iHeartRadio, Apple, Spotify, Pandora, and 785 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 2: I guess with being on all those sometimes it goes 786 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 2: to some other ones just depending on your RSS feed. 787 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, what, don't do it on this one? How 788 00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 2: did I get here? Yeah? And you can vibe my 789 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: end join oh on Amazon thirty nine oh eight if 790 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 2: you catch me somewhere in person. It's thirty dollars. I 791 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,439 Speaker 2: will be having a book signing coming up, but yeah, 792 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 2: I'm here in at O. Come find me I sign 793 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 2: a book. Beautiful. 794 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: We'll add that into the show notes as well. Thank 795 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,879 Speaker 1: you so much for spending some time with us today. 796 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. 797 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 2: Thank you, Doctor Joy, so great to speak with you. 798 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: Likewise, I'm so glad doctor Enjoy was able to join 799 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,400 Speaker 1: us for this conversation. 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