1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: I've never told you production. I heart radio. And before 3 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: we start this Monday many Happy Monday everyone, if you're 4 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: listening to us on a Monday. We do want to 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: go ahead and mentioned that we will be talking a 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: little bit about violence against women, sexual violence, harassment, and 7 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: all the above, because we are talking about self defense 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: products and tools, so of course that comes with a 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: lot of stories. Just at the top. Again, like I said, 10 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: we're not gonna do too much other than to talk 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: a little bit about statistics. Um, not necessarily talking about stories, 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: just again about the products. So if you're like, I 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: don't want to hear any about this, I want to 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: move on. But if you're huh, I am interested about 15 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: these products. We're not actually mentioning any prod that's necessarily 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: definitely not sponsored, but just have we a discussion about it. Yeah, 17 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: and I will say, um, I know for a fact 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: this can be very triggering for people, and I'm going 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: to talk about that and why that is in this episode. 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, we're not going into, as you said, like 21 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: any real graphics specifics or anything. I just know that 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: this idea can be triggering. Right. So Annie, before we begin, 23 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: let me ask you because something we talked about it before, 24 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure if we talked about it on 25 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: Mike or on an episode, But have you ever taken 26 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: a self defense class? I have. I have taken many 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: self defense classes. I took two years in seventh grade UM, 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and that was partly because my dad was a college 29 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: professor and so he got free classes and I was 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: just interested in that, and then I took a few 31 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: by myself in Atlanta. I was telling you kind of 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: was just like trying everything. When I first moved to 33 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: the city. I was like, I'm gonna go do this, 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go do this. So I was just 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: taking kind of a real mishmash of classes UM, and 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: self defense was one. There's a very funny story where 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: I was showing somebody kind of get out of a chokehold, 38 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: and so she was had been a like fake choking grip. 39 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: And then we realized, like the entire class was watching 40 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: us through this glass window, not self defense class, a 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: music class, and they were their eyes were so wide 42 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: that professor was just staring horrified. But the story I 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: was alluding to earlier, and this was I believe a 44 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: little before your time, Samantha. A couple of years ago 45 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: at the office, we had an infamous training, yes, and 46 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: it was an all day thing, and there was three 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: stations and there was like a medical kind of training station, 48 00:02:54,520 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: there was a kind of bomb squad gun station, uh, 49 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: and there was a you're getting someone trying to kidnap 50 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: you station and uh, it was very intense. One of 51 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: the men literally said, I'd rather die than get into 52 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: that van, um, So you have to make your choice 53 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: of what you want. And he was, you know, talking 54 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: about a scenario wherein someone's trying to kidnap you, and 55 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: he said, I'd rather die than get the van, but 56 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: you do you. But it was very triggering for a 57 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of the women in class because there were instances where, yeah, 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: you were being attacked by attacked in this kind of 59 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: false scenario by a man usually much bigger than you. Um. 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: And especially if you've got like past experience with sexual 61 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: abuse or sault or anything like that, you have violence 62 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: in general. It was very triggering. And I was paired 63 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: up with like the sweetest, one of our sweetest coworkers 64 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: and friends, Dylan, and he was so apologized. He was like, 65 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry because it used to work on show, 66 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: so he knew about the stuff we talked about, the 67 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: stuff I've been through. But some of the women in 68 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: this like went to the bathroom, started crying, did not 69 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: come back out, uh, refused to participate. It caused this 70 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: whole thing. Um, so many people complained and like, we've 71 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: never done it again. And our office manager was horrified 72 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: by it too, like she said that was not what 73 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 1: they told her it was going to happen, but it 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: was indeed very triggering. And later, like after work, we 75 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: were having drinks and so many of the women were like, 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: you think, I don't know what it's like to feel 77 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: this fear and to be told that I could, because 78 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,799 Speaker 1: they also said you could be raped, especially if you're women, 79 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: so watch out. And we were like, you think we 80 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: don't know that, You think we don't live with that 81 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: every day, And the dudes were kind of like, oh, 82 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: I didn't realize, right. Um. I kind of had a 83 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: similar situation too, not to this point, because of course 84 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 1: I took as self of his class in college as well. 85 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that might be a rite of passage 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: but also offered to women oftentimes, and yet It was 87 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,559 Speaker 1: made up of all women, and our two teachers were 88 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: military trained defense people who came in saying similar things 89 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: to that, like, hey, you know, if you go into 90 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: that van, you see their face, you're dead. Like immediately 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,799 Speaker 1: told you that, um, as well as the fact about 92 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: like nives and it's better to shred your hand off 93 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: than go in with them. It's it's that of your life, 94 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: what is valuable to you? We also had that conversation, 95 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: but yeah, we uh, we didn't partner up with each other. 96 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm trying to remember that portion because 97 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: the big part that stuck with me was literally having 98 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: an older man straddle my neck with his legs so 99 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: I had to get him off me and I did 100 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: not volunteer. He just asked me to step up, and 101 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: that triggering me. I'm like, why are you doing this? 102 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know you, I don't know you, and you 103 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: have your crotch in my face to tell me get 104 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: me off of you do it? Do it, um. And 105 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,479 Speaker 1: it was one of the weirdest days that I just 106 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of sat there and he was. They were all 107 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: in their military uniform too, except for like the shirt, 108 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: the T shirt that had made it was that army 109 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: green T shirt, the pants, all of that in the 110 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: boots that they were ready, and I had that similar 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: experience and the panic that I had afterwards. Like during it, 112 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: I was fine, honestly, because I had to put on 113 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: that front I don't know anyone in this class. I 114 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. I'm just gonna get through it. 115 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna get through it. And then afterwards, like 116 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: obviously sticking very clearly in my head. And we also 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: had an open but this was at the gym, so 118 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: U g A had a very wide open gym, but 119 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: there it was all glass too, and so people would 120 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: stop and watch us rolling around with these older men, 121 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what the hell we were doing. 122 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 1: I think it was fairly obvious because it was all 123 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: girls with these two dudes in military pants, but still 124 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: we were definitely watched. Um. But yeah, that those kinds 125 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: of moments of like why am I doing this? Am 126 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: I going to remember any of this? What is the point? 127 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: I definitely had a lot of that, because that's kind 128 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: of the conversation we're gonna have today, like what is 129 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: this and who is it geared for? So the reason 130 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: I started thinking about this whole situation was um And 131 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: if you've listened to us for even a second, you 132 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: probably already know that I'm really into TikTok right now, 133 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Like it takes up my time a little too much 134 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: time I need to sleep. Why am I doing this 135 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: type of time that it takes from me? But during 136 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: this time, there's different videos that pop up my feet 137 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: and I follow a lot of like women who fight 138 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: against some soogyny, love it. I love fighting in the patriarchy. 139 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: Cool cool cool um. And one specific video popped up 140 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: about a woman having a very uncomfortable situation at a bar. 141 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: I think any of us who identify as female know 142 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: the situation and her trying to leave this conversation that 143 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: she didn't want to be a part of UH with 144 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: a man who wasn't taking the hint, and it was 145 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: one of those like how do I do this? Everyone 146 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: around her could see, Okay, what do we do? What 147 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 1: does she do? Type of situation? But it was stitched 148 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: um so in just in case you don't know what 149 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: that means, and I don't know if you know what 150 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: that means. It's when someone takes someone else's video and 151 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: then makes a video of that kind of a reactionary video. 152 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: She watches it, they and then talk about it and 153 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: then maybe pull it back up on screen and be like, 154 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: this is what this happens. That's a stitch um and 155 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 1: she this person who stitched it was a part of 156 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: a new startup company that apparently was marketing an app 157 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: that would help the woman in this situation. And according 158 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: to her video and the company's video, apparently it kind 159 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: of does the thing that we kind of all do 160 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: with each other on a first date or any date 161 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: or outing I think is have a have that situation 162 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: of if this date is going bad, call me, tell 163 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: me there's an emergency, and I'll leave. And So what 164 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: this app does when you implement it, it gives you 165 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: a false call or or a fake text telling you 166 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 1: to come back or telling you there's an emergency. And 167 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: then if it is bad enough, you can send an 168 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: emergency notification to a contact person that you have chosen 169 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: that will tell you their location. So which saying I'm like, 170 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: abou it's a cool idea. That's a cool idea because 171 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: we all know now that giving a fake number doesn't work. Essentially, 172 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot of the people will either say okay, let 173 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: me call you so you can have my number, or 174 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: call you just because or text in front of you 175 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: so that does not work. And then we have the 176 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: fake numbers where you're like, you can give them this 177 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: number and they get this call and you're like, yeah, 178 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: but you know, there's a lot of dangerous situations. So 179 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 1: all of this is fine and well, but then then 180 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: they started making me think. As I'm researching their product, 181 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, cool, I wonder maybe I should 182 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: go ahead and downloaded that I'm going on dates or anything, 183 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: but just you know, this seems like a cool product. 184 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: I would love to hear about it or a cool app. 185 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: And it costs, and I kind of wish kind of 186 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: blown away, like if you want it. Don't get me wrong. 187 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: Paying for what you make is not a big deal. 188 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: I get it. Um paying for subscriptions, I get it. 189 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I don't quite understand when it comes to apps about sponsorships, 190 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: uh on all of that, because I know you can 191 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: get free apps as long as you watch ads. Probably 192 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: not great with an app is trying to you trying 193 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: to use for an emergency? I don't know, but essentially 194 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: was like, you can use this product for seven days free, 195 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: child and then after that it's either to nine nine 196 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: a day. I think it said, like I want to 197 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: say it's seven ninety nine a week or twenty seven 198 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: a month, and it's a subscription. And my head, I 199 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: was like, who can afford that, like as a luxury product, 200 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, when it comes to women's safety, this type 201 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: would not be something that most women can't afford. Um, 202 00:10:57,679 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: and maybe their situations where like the parents would pay 203 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: for it, and that's all been well, um, But then 204 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, wow, wow, Okay, this is a 205 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: good idea, but that seems like a lot for women's 206 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: self defense. And let's be very honest, this is geared 207 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: towards women. This is absolutely for women. And the woman 208 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: says in the video that she that's why she created 209 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: this app. This is exactly why for women like her 210 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: or in these situations. And so I started me thinking of, like, 211 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: who is making all of this money off of self 212 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: defense products specifically for women, because there's definitely things we 213 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: know that are geared for women. And so I started 214 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: going down this rabbit hole any and there's not much 215 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: out there. There's not a lot of statistics, there's not 216 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: a lot of conversations about it. There's a lot of 217 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: articles about the best defense self defense weapons that women 218 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: should carry today, like Glamour has an article for the 219 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: top ten um Amazon has a list of course, and 220 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: then you see all these other articles like don't the 221 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: good and bad of having firearms? You know? Unfortunately statistic 222 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: is that women are most of times more harmed even 223 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: with the weapons they own because it is used against 224 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: them then not. And then so I was like, what, 225 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: so what is there? What is out there? Because we've 226 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: talked about the pink text, We've talked about things like 227 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: makeup and all of that that are geared towards women 228 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: and making a lot of profit and who is making 229 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: this profit and then the cost of safety for women 230 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: and using fear to sell a product, which is a 231 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: constant thing. Of course, we see things like security systems 232 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and homes and it's not necessarily just about women, but 233 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: there's oftentimes a woman alone, yeah, that are in the 234 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: home that typically are seen as being unsafe. We also 235 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: have seen for online stuff and we even in an 236 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: episode of stalking and New cyber Crimes against women and 237 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 1: now like there was a specific article specific to women 238 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 1: on how to protect your identity, how to not be 239 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: I were stalked, which is all well and fine, but 240 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it happens. Yeah. I think a part 241 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: of what we're talking about is the conversation we've seen 242 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: play out in so many things, but especially when it 243 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: comes to women and violence against women and sexual assault 244 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: is sort of this not dealing with the problem but 245 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: putting it again on women to take care of yourselves. 246 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: And you know, there's the financial cost, but there's also 247 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: the kind of mind space costs and the time cost. 248 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: But you know, you've got so many things like the 249 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: condoms that we're supposed to like stick inside that women 250 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: would wear inside them, and you've got like I once 251 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: my ex's mother for Christmas gave me this like box 252 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: of essentially you know, pepper spray and like this light 253 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: emergency thing because she was like, you're running around as 254 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: a woman in Atlanta, you need to have this stuff. 255 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,839 Speaker 1: And it was a Christmas gift. Like, um, so it's 256 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: just accepted that this is a risk that I am taking. 257 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: And I know I've told this story before, but back 258 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: when I was really into running, I found an article 259 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: and it was like top ten tips for runners, and 260 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: there was one sort of gear towards men, and one 261 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: sort of gears towards women. And for men it was 262 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: like wake up at this time and do this, like 263 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: cross training and eat this. And for women it was 264 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: like always carry your I D in case they kill you, 265 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: they can identify the body. Don't put your headphones in 266 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: with music. It was all the safety stuff. And I 267 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: was like, this is so different, right, this is more focusing, 268 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: Like you're telling me I should focus on surviving instead 269 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: of being a better runners, which is what you're telling 270 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: the men of the of this article, right, And that's 271 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: absolutely right. It is again, who is it geared towards? 272 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: What are they saying and who is making money off 273 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: of this? And I will tell you so, I did 274 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: find one article that does talk about the market of 275 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: self defensive products and it stated that by five that 276 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: in the US it will be a profit of three 277 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: point six billion dollars. So someone is out there is 278 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: making three point six billion dollars worth of revenue. So 279 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: using something that you know, unfortunately can be necessary but 280 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: at the same time shouldn't be necessary, and oftentimes make 281 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: geared towards women. And I will tell you some of 282 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: the top selling items would include folding knives and pepper spray, 283 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: and we kind of already know who has what. Women 284 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: are more likely to go for the pepper spray than 285 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: anything else that I've seen, like according to the statistics. 286 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: And with that, actually I got this random and I 287 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: was telling you this before because again I was trying 288 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: to get as much information I feel could. It's really 289 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: not much out there. Someone wants to point me to 290 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: something that's wonderful, please do that. There was a specific 291 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: statistics for realtors UM and what type of self defense 292 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: weapons they have, and they get based on gender, and 293 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: it's not really too surprising that twenty six percent of 294 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: the women that was surveyed, which is the highest number, 295 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: use pepper spray, while men that was four percent. For men, 296 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: it's only four percent owned a pepper spray. Of course, 297 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: not surprisingly the highest four men was firearms, which was 298 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: at for them women do have firearms is only twelve percent, 299 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: still a pretty high number, but again that pepper spray 300 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: is most likely what they will have UM followed by 301 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: the pocket knife, which men more are more likely to have. 302 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: But it's still interesting because we haven't talked too much 303 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: about it, but realtors are at risk a lot of 304 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: the times for assault, and it is a really risky 305 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: job because you do meet up with strangers at open properties. 306 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: So that's a whole different conversation in itself, which I 307 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: would love to hear about how y'all handle yourselves relators. 308 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: But that statistic aloonment think it does kind of transcends 309 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: to what is happening as a whole population. Like the 310 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: pepper spray. Is that very popular thing, and we know 311 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: we have I think most people have now learned that's 312 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: not really effective. Unfortunately, have you ever been pepper sprayed 313 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: any I haven't, um, But going back to the this 314 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: is an unfortunate truth that a lot of times when 315 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: women have like a a weapon, it gets turned against them. 316 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: I had a friend who was mugged and she tried 317 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: to use the pepper spray and accidentally sprayed it in 318 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: her face. She's fine, she was fine, But I'm just 319 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 1: thinking like, yeah, I would do something like that too, right, right, 320 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: So actually I have actually been pepper sprayed because in 321 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: my job at d j J, they were starting to 322 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: lean towards case rekers having weapons and it started out 323 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: with the pepper spray, which I was like, what and 324 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: in order for us to be trained. They had to 325 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: spray us directly in the face so that we knew 326 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 1: what it felt like. It was good. It lasts a 327 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: three days and it goes everywhere some of the women. 328 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: One of the hacks that's on TikTok is using a 329 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: wasp spray instead of pepper spray because it has a 330 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 1: more direct hit. Yeah, there's so much advice on TikTok 331 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 1: that makes me really sad that they know all these things. 332 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: But I did know, like, okay, okay, okay, so we 333 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: know that this is the bigger things. These are the 334 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 1: things that I've seen again the website. Immediately when you 335 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: start googling self defense products that you're gonna see top 336 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: ten best weapons for women, non weight weapons oftentimes, because 337 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 1: again the statistics for firearms are not pretty. And I 338 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: found that fascinating once again, and I was trying to 339 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: see how many companies are owned by women. There's not 340 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: as much as I would hope. Unfortunately, they do pop 341 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: up at the top when you research it, so that's 342 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 1: nice to see. Like, Okay, at the very least we 343 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 1: get to see that as an option. But again, this 344 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: feels like a luxury product, so we're being told we 345 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 1: need them. We're being told to take care of ourselves, 346 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: but only if you can afford it. Yeah, And it's 347 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: frustrating because it's one of those things where it is 348 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: the onus is on us. It's very victim blaming, especially, 349 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: Like that's what kind of gets me is I have 350 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 1: friends who love they love self defense. It makes them 351 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: feel empowered, which is great, but I the conversation was 352 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: what really bothers me around It is like, two, in 353 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: order to protect yourself, you have to do this. And 354 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: if you didn't take this self defense class that maybe 355 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: you don't have time to take or maybe you can't afford, 356 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: then you're really not protecting yourself, right, And it's sort 357 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: of another way of saying that's on you instead of 358 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: addressing the wider problem here of rape culture and and 359 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: a society that just doesn't really value the safety of women. 360 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: And so we've been approached before about having these products 361 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: as sponsors, but it's just such a weird space of 362 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: like saying, yeah, like telling women you're not safe and 363 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: you need this now paying me for it. It feels 364 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: kind of gross. Right when we did, like I said, 365 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: a couple of very popular products asked us you know, 366 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: because of like you know, hand in hand your women. 367 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: You're talking about feminism and being independent and this is 368 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: kind of the cost of being independent. But do we 369 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: want to make money off of selling that? That is 370 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: absolutely like it. It doesn't phil right. None of this 371 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: feels right, Don't get me wrong. This could be a 372 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: whole other level of like capitalism in itself and what 373 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: you're selling. But like, yeah, we we feel the same 374 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: way about makeup, Like what are we saying? What are 375 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 1: we exactly is this product? And it doesn't feel necessarily 376 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: like it feels like we're perpetuating an idea that shouldn't 377 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: be perpetuating, Like this is not the real solution. This 378 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: is just a temporary, fixed hope, right, and it shouldn't be. 379 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:57,640 Speaker 1: And then this is also in the midst of all 380 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: the Violence Against Women Act being kind of pushed aside 381 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: and ignored and downgraded as it has been. Um And 382 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,959 Speaker 1: I will say actually in two seventeen, apparently there was 383 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: a huge bump up for the amount of self defense 384 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 1: classes that women were taking, and it had to do 385 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: with the administration at the time completely dismissing women in general. 386 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: Um the whole I think it was during the level 387 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: of grabbing by a comment, and all of a sudden, 388 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: women were like, we're not going to get any help 389 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 1: from the government, so let's go ahead and do this. 390 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: And I will say, I feel like there are good 391 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: people out there who have good intentions and can teach 392 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: self defense correctly. I think there's a whole other mindset 393 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: of understanding the depth of empathy when it comes to 394 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: most likely these women who are coming to you are 395 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,399 Speaker 1: fearful for some reason, and that needs to be in 396 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: the back of your head at all times and finding 397 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: comforted And yeah, you're talking about having partners with that, 398 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, how weird? Is that so weird? I don't 399 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: know if that would make me feel better or worse. 400 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure that out. Yeah, it was not 401 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: fun for anyone involved, Like everyone was uncomfortable with it 402 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: because it's also like coworkers, so you're kind of office 403 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 1: has been turned into a place where you're envisioning your 404 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: co workers is potential enemies who might attack you and 405 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: also not a safe space, which you know, I'm not 406 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: saying those threats that we know they do. That's what 407 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of annoyed all the women in the class. But 408 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 1: we didn't have a choice in it. It It wasn't a choice. 409 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 1: We were told for doing this right, and then now 410 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: everything feels less safe than it did before we took 411 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 1: this class that was supposed to make us feel safer. 412 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: And just think about if because there's so many incidents 413 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: that happened in workplaces which are not addressed, and then 414 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: having to do that face face, I cannot imagine, and 415 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: I know our office manager would have never done that, 416 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: but but oh my god, they owe you. I mean, 417 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: it's it is if famous bring that up and most 418 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: of the guys will be like, oh yeah, I remember 419 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: how upset you were, not the mean way, but like 420 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: that's kind of their take where all the women are like, 421 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: don't talk to me about right, right, it's just me. 422 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a whole other thing. But yeah, And 423 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 1: on top of that, when we talked about some of 424 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: these products, not that we don't like fancy and not 425 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: that we don't want it, to mention it, but that 426 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: is a part of the marketing is to make it pretty, 427 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: make it smartly, make it attractive for women, um. But 428 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: also they also think of it as make it um 429 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: indiscernible to as just being the keychain, uh kind of trickeries, 430 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,880 Speaker 1: whether it's the cat keychain which has the double poke 431 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,399 Speaker 1: that you can poke someone in the face with. Found 432 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: out about the little sticks that essentially has a grip 433 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: and a pointy edge is called the kubatin and I 434 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: didn't know what they were. Have seen them. I've seen them, 435 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: but essentially they have a whole class dedicated to what 436 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: these can do and how to use it. It It looks 437 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: pretty lethal if you use it right. And of course 438 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,679 Speaker 1: that's the conversation. It's like, how do you will react 439 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: under panic? Again? I shut down, So I don't know 440 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: what I would do. Uh that's what I know is 441 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: just to ignore and uh dis associate. So that's a 442 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: whole different conversation. But yeah, all of these, lot of 443 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: these products are geared in a pretty fancy manner. As 444 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: In fact, there was a big article in about one 445 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: company that had made a halo like pendant type of 446 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: thing that similar to the phone nop I was talking about. 447 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: You press it, it notifies things, all these things, but 448 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,399 Speaker 1: it's specific to like this hundred and twenty dollars, hundred 449 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 1: fifty dollars, and then it was geared to make it 450 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: feminine and dainty UM for a reason to appeal to women, 451 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,320 Speaker 1: as well as the fact that the same company had 452 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: a chastity underwear. They were one of the ones that 453 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: had a chastity underwear UM so that women couldn't get 454 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: raped quote unquote. But that's obviously very geared at playing safe. 455 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 1: And the way the commercials came out was very like, 456 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: look at me, this is a part of my everyday dress. 457 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: This is my norm is to gear myself up to 458 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: an assault, And that in itself was like, hey, do 459 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: you really is this the message that you want? And 460 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 1: the things they had to go back and like redo 461 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: all of the branding, as they should, because it was 462 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 1: very obvious what they were doing. Again, very expensive in 463 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: comparison to to so many other things. And I know, 464 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of the listeners are I know, 465 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: y'all all have things and I hate that, and a 466 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: lot of them are like under ten dollars, which is 467 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: nice to see, and a lot of them are geared 468 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: towards women. I know specific companies which are headed by 469 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,239 Speaker 1: women who thought of these things and try to make 470 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 1: it affordable, but you still have costs. And again that 471 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: conversation is like what is someone's safetyes. You know, that's 472 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 1: surpriceless in the the same time, but it's not, it's not. Yeah, 473 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 1: I think it's a good point to me because we're 474 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: not saying everyone who is behind these companies or takes 475 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: part in those things is bad. That's not it at all. 476 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:56,400 Speaker 1: It's just that this is so it's so unfortunate that 477 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: that's where we are. And like you said, you know, 478 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: you're kind of preparing yourself first all. That's what we 479 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: talked about in the Not Pretty Enough episode, Like every 480 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: day that's in the back of your head and how 481 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: much brain space that takes up, and how exhausting that is. 482 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: And it's just a fact of life that we seem 483 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: to have accepted. And you know, people are fighting and 484 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: trying to change things, but it is so much our 485 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:23,240 Speaker 1: responsibility to keep ourselves safe for it. They've been trying 486 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: to change anything else. Right, And again, like the Violence 487 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: Against Women Act, why why I harp on it so 488 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 1: much is because not only do we need those kind 489 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: of safeguards that are able to be placed in court, 490 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: that are able to be placed as a legal recourse 491 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: for protection, but the fact that it also makes a 492 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: statement once again of who should be held responsible and 493 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: who's the one that needs justice in general and hopefully protection. 494 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 1: And it's not because we're we don't protect ourselves, uh 495 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: is because yeah, it is always a threat, and for 496 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: some reason, that's the number one threat when you're talking 497 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: to a woman or or someone who identifies as female 498 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: or non binary oftentimes to go after them in a 499 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: manner to say your vulnerability is what I'm going to 500 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: take from you, Like that's everything from you, and that's 501 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: what I'm going to use against you rather and it's 502 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: a whole conversation again, Like I said that we want 503 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: to readdress and like I wanted this to be a 504 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: full episode at first because I was like, I'm going 505 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: to find all of the and there was no information. 506 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: And whether it's because no one's looking at it or 507 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: because it is so wide stretched or because it's newer, 508 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. So if you'll have some information, I 509 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: would love to see it, because we love some numbers 510 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: over here obviously. And then yeah, tell us about your 511 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: experiences and what you've gone through and and you know, 512 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: just your thoughts on this because I know it is 513 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: a wide reaching topic. Yeah, And I feel like most 514 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: most women can identify with what we're talking about, and 515 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: certainly like even though we couldn't find a lot of data, 516 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: we talked for like thirty minutes. So we all have 517 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: these experiences around it um, but we would love to revisit. 518 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: So yes, if you have any information or thoughts, please 519 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 1: let us know. You can email us at stuff Video, 520 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at I heart me here dot com. You 521 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: can find us on Twitter at mom Stuff podcast, or 522 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 1: on Instagram and Stuff One Never Told You. Thanks as 523 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: always to our super producer Christina, Thank you, and thanks 524 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: to you for listening Stuff I Never Told You his 525 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: prediction of I Heart Radio. 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