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Why both sides Need 21 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: to stop ranting and start listening, and I think there's 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of wisdom in it. I'm so proud of 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: how she has grown as a mother, raising our two grandchildren, 24 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: and the process of both a professional and working and 25 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: as a local citizen. So for me, it's both an 26 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: honor but in a very very distinct pleasure to welcome 27 00:01:46,080 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: her as my guest. Jackie, I am thrilled that you 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: were here. Well, thank you so much, Dad, I really 29 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: appreciate it. It's kind of fun actually to be here 30 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: with you in person. I'm very excited because I think 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 1: you have a pretty big deal coming out in September. 32 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: I'm so excited about my new book, Are Broken America. 33 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: While both sides need to stop ranting and start listening. Now, 34 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: as you know, part of my career was made of ranting, 35 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: so I had to read the book and sort of 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: learn some new lessons. But tell me this, you've really 37 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: put together, I think, a very profound book about how 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: to actually get us out of the emotional gridlock we're in. 39 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: How did you come to the understanding? Well, a couple 40 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: of things. One, I have two children that are now 41 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: once in college and in high school, and watching them 42 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: grow up in the last two decades, and then watching 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: our political environment, and then pulling those two items together 44 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: in terms of how do you deal with a lot 45 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: of conflicts, how do you work in ways in which 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 1: you can look forward to be optimistic. That's really what 47 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: drove me to write this book, Broken America. We need 48 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: to work together as the country, and to do that, 49 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: we have to change how we're thinking and interacting with 50 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: each other. Part of what you put in here, which 51 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: I was very touched by, is what it was like 52 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: to grow up as my daughter and to be in 53 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: politics almost for the time you were born. What was 54 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: that like To sit down and turn and write that 55 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: out and recounted for other people, It was hard, quite frankly. 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: I mean it's people have asked me, what's it like 57 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 1: to be nuking with his daughter? And my response is 58 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: always that's who I am, So I don't know any 59 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: other reality. That's who I am as a person. But 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: people have so many preconceived notions of what that means. 61 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: And really it was a very basic childhood. We lived 62 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: in a small town, We went to church a lot, 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: we went to high school football games, and then we 64 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: campaigned a lot. But to me, it's really important to 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: understand that some of must of what we did as 66 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: a family was about learning and working hard well and 67 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: back recently, I was looking at some pictures when you 68 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: were like it swere or four years old, of you 69 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: and your sister, and it's really kind of hard to 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: imagine that that little grew up into you. To know 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: you today, where you're so outgoing, so confident, it's almost 72 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 1: impossible to imagine how basically shy you were. I was 73 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: the child that sat in a classroom at school and 74 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: read a book during class. Then I read a book 75 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 1: during lunch. But then again, we were the family that 76 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: we would sit around and all four of us would read. 77 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what we did as our hobby. And 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: quite frankly, I still read a lot today. It's part 79 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: of what shaped who I am and how I think. 80 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: So I think that reading is incredibly important. I remember 81 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: watching your daughter, Maggie. I think she was about nine 82 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: at that point, and we were off somewhere and she 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: brought like five books with her, and you know her 84 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: and I still I have to confess, and I'm still 85 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: the same way. Both of my children take books wherever 86 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: they go. They're both voracious readers like Yell did. Was 87 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: Kathy and I. Our children started reading very early. We 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: read to them for ages until they could read. And 89 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: I remember one night Robert was very and I was 90 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: reading to him, and I think he was pretending to read, 91 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: or maybe he was reading a little bit, but at 92 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: some point he goes, Mommy, I don't really like to read. 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: I just do it to make you happy. And I said, well, honey, 94 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: do they keep doing it? Because Matthew doesn't love to 95 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: read and reading is one of the best ways to learn. 96 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: Your sister, who's just a couple of years older than you, 97 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: I've sort of provided a shadow. You could let her 98 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: be the more aggressive, which is people knowing the two 99 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: of you now would never believe that you let her 100 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 1: take the lead so much, because I think you've grown 101 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: into a neighbor friend, civic worker, intellectual, professional businesswoman if 102 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: they'd seen you back then. And you really see it 103 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: in some of those very early pictures, So the younger 104 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: daughter walking around near your big sister. That funny thing 105 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: is when we were younger, we looked so much alike 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: the macimber. One time Mom should be a picture. She's like, oh, look, 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: you're so cute, and I look in the back of 108 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: my mom, I wasn't even born yet, that's Kathy. So 109 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: we did look so much alike. And at one point, 110 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: I think around maybe high school or maybe early college. 111 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: We try to pass for twins occasionally, but that was 112 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: part of the you know, kind of what shaped me. 113 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: And quite frankly, you know, if push comes to shove, 114 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: I'm still very happy to let Kathy take the lead. 115 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: She's an incredible sister, very smart, very hard working. Quite frankly, 116 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: without her help, this book would not have gotten written. 117 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: You used to talk much faster than you do now, 118 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 1: and if you remember, your defense was your sister kept 119 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: cutting you off, and if you didn't talk really fast, 120 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: you couldn't get it out. In our family, you had 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: four people that were very, very smart, and all had opinions. 122 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: I mean, you certainly have an opinion. I have an opinion, 123 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: Kathy and Mom had an opinion, and if you didn't 124 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: get it out quickly, you weren't going to have the opportunity. 125 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: And I've tried to slow down my speech. I'm still 126 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: a little too fast, and I think part of that 127 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: is probably an underlying need to feel like you did. 128 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: I get everything out rapidly, and I need to. I'm 129 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: really focusing on trying to slow down and think more 130 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: about my words and also allow people to them as well. 131 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: It's hard to talk slowly at the risk of embarrassing you. 132 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: I am going to bring up one example from your 133 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: early childhood of your willfulness. When I was a graduate student, 134 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: or too late, but I think you were probably two 135 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: and a half in a moment of idiocy considering them 136 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: any money as a graduate student, and your mother was 137 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: putting up with a lot. We decided we would go 138 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: to the Concha Train Room, one of the best hotels 139 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: in town, which was very famous, serving mile High pie 140 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: as a dessert, had very elegant sort of French food 141 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: in the New Orleans tradition. And we got there and 142 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 1: sat down, and you suddenly, somehow intuited that they would 143 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: not tolerate you making a scene, and therefore there was 144 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: a very high value in paying you off. And you 145 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: suddenly decided you wanted butter, not crackers, butter, and you 146 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: would put butter on the cracker and look it off, 147 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: and then put more butter on the cracker. And every 148 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: time we tried to convince you to quit doing it, 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: you'd make just enough noise for the maitre d to 150 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: start drifting our way, and we'd give you more Butter. 151 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: I always thought it was an example that down deep 152 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: underneath all your pleasantness, there's an enormous willpower. I've got 153 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: to say it. Luckily I don't remember that I think 154 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: is good. But knowing my love for Butter, I absolutely 155 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: believe that story. I have no doubt about it. And 156 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: the fact that you could take a small child into 157 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: a very nice restaurant, I think it's fascinating. Yeah, I 158 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: did have a certain lack of I think common sense. Well, 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: you probably thought you could take a book with me 160 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,079 Speaker 1: or something, or let me look at pictures. But to 161 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: your point, if there's better nearby and my bed is 162 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: knowing that restaurant, it was very good butter, there's probably 163 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: French Normandy butter. It was very creamy, and I'm sure 164 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: I enjoyed probably a pound or two. Well, you know, 165 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to take you out to have cheap butter, 166 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: even at that age. Next, Jackie talks about what it 167 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: was like to grow up as my and I reveal 168 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: a few stories about her childhood as well. I remember 169 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: being very surprised when you told me years ago that 170 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: the very first time I lost, you had somebody at 171 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: your school tell you how glad they were that I 172 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: had lost. And you were pretty young at that point. 173 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: It's kind of like, here you are the morning after 174 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: and this person's telling you how happy she is that 175 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: you're miserable. Yeah, that did happen. And you know, it's 176 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: interesting because now, I mean, decades later, people when they 177 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: hear that you're my father, First of all, they often 178 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: don't believe me. I try to ask why I would 179 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: make that up, and then I tell them, you know, 180 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: look just like you if you look at my eyes, 181 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: which I do, and then they always think, oh, well, 182 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: he was speaker of the house and it was always wonderful, 183 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: and it was always and I'm like, wait, it is wonderful. 184 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: But there was a long period when I was young 185 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: where as you know, you ran you twice and lost 186 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: and finally one the third time. But you know, now, 187 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of used to people being negative about certain things, 188 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: but when you're very young to have someone at the 189 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: school to come up to you the next morning and say, gosh, 190 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: I'm glad your dad lost. Quite frankly, it left me 191 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: speechless because I don't know what one would say to that. 192 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: But it also makes me realize how personally people take 193 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 1: things and half forever, and how they're focused on themselves 194 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: versus other people. It was just an odd experience because 195 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: that was a very quiet child growing up, and to 196 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: have an a minister to come up and tell me 197 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: that was quite frankly, Obviously, decades later, I'm still talking 198 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: about it was quite wounding. I'm often struck that how 199 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: kind of unique your life has been, just in the 200 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: sense that very early on you got swept up in 201 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,960 Speaker 1: all this political stuff and the whole process of what 202 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: was really a very long odyssey from the time I 203 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: first started running till we finally won control ninety four. 204 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: I'm curious, on the standpoint of other people, as you 205 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: think about it, what are the kind of lessons or 206 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: experiences to stand out in your mind from that long 207 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: process and a really remarkable involvement in public life. People 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: always talk about the sixth District like it's some right 209 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: next to Atlanta. The sixth District when you ran in 210 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: the seventies was a very rural district south Atlanta, west 211 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: to Alabama and down to Griffin it was a big, 212 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: huge district. Obviously, no social media, no internet, any real 213 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: TV at that time, so you weren't able to use TV. 214 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: So we went out and we did hand to hand combats. 215 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: So I like to think about We go to shopping centers, 216 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: we go to gas stations that may have only two 217 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: people there. But you figured out that if you let 218 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: your daughters, who were very young and relatively cute, go 219 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: up and ask people to hand the reverse sure or 220 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: to put on the bumper sticker, it was much more 221 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: likely to happen. You figured out how to be successful 222 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: at that. But we had a lot of fun. You know, 223 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: we would be out on weekends. Fourth of julys were 224 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: a fourteen sixteen hour day. But that was just my 225 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: our lives growing up. When you look back on that, 226 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: was that a growth experience or was that the most 227 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: of my MoMA's youth? Really well, now, I mean I 228 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: think you know, I was really I mean I was 229 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: really young, and so you know, at that age, quite frankly, 230 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:18,839 Speaker 1: I enjoyed going out with you, in campaigning with you, 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: and then at some point we invited our friends along 232 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: to go with us before we stopped going at all. 233 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: But to me, it was always interesting. You always learned something. 234 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: I normally had a book with me in case you 235 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: had to go into meetings with other people in the 236 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:34,599 Speaker 1: campaign staff. I had something to do. I slept in 237 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: the back of the car sometimes. And I'm sure you 238 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: remember at one point we actually had a NEWT for 239 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: Congress from the top of our car, which was a 240 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: little It was a huge plowood sign with a campaign 241 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 1: slogan put across it, and we would be all over 242 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: the distrect with that NEWT for Congress sign it with 243 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: my life. So it's hard. It's hard for me because 244 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: people often say, what's the light being new Gingwhich's daughter? 245 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: And quite frankly, the only answer I can say is 246 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: that's all I've ever been. You know, I grew up 247 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: in this environment. I grew up in politics, and in 248 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: some ways I can't imagine life about it. I really 249 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: thought it was super important that people to understand that 250 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: you're a great dad. You've been there for Kathy and I. 251 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean I remember when you were a speaker. I 252 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: would call in and you stop and talk to me. 253 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: We always made sure that you had time for us, 254 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: and to me, that's always been really important. Next Jackie 255 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: describes the inspiration for her notebook, Are Broken America. I 256 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: was delighted when the first sponsor of Newts World was 257 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: Oxford Gold Group. 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I've watched my friends, 298 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: i watched our family. I watched our community basically either 299 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: ignore a lot of discussions about politics because they don't 300 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,800 Speaker 1: want to get involved because it's so polarizing and so personal. 301 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: Or I've watched people say things they're through polarizing and 302 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: judge people so personally that I really thought, this is 303 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: not the way. This is not the way we reach solutions. 304 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not the way you reach solutions in families, 305 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: it's not the way you each solutions in communities. It's 306 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: certainly not the way you each solutions as a country. 307 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: And you know, back to your point about kind of 308 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: weaving everything together, that's really what life's about. How do 309 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: we take disparate parts of our lives and weave them 310 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: together in a way that makes sense. And that's really 311 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: what's driving me to write this book. I really feel 312 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: that we're at a really important part in our country 313 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: where we have to stop focusing on grievances and really 314 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: focus on gratitude. I mean, we are so blessed to 315 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: live in this country, and when we change our perspective 316 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: and look at it from the perspective of gratitude, and 317 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: we think about how can we work together to create 318 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: real solutions. I think we can make real progress, but 319 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: it can't be done at the national level. It has 320 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: to be done in the community. Was there a moment 321 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: when suddenly it hits you that this was a message 322 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: you really wanted to spend time on, both for yourself 323 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and for your country. Well, it really happened. I think 324 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: over the last two years, watching all of the media 325 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: has gotten so frothy. It's not news anymore. It's just 326 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: the latest thing they can talk about. I don't watch 327 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: news anymore because it's so outlandish and so to me, 328 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: it's really important to me. My children are. I've got 329 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: one that's gonna be a sophomore in college, i have 330 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: one that's a senior in high school, and I'm quite 331 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: frankly concerned about what their future looks like. And on 332 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: the opposite side, I have this incredible gratefulness for being 333 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: involved with my community. As you know, my husband, Jimmy 334 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: and his family have been deeply involved for generations, and 335 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: so Jimmy and I are also very deeply committed and involved, 336 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 1: and I've gotten such reward from being involved in the community, 337 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: have also seen the results that's had. And so if 338 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: you put those two things together, how are you concerned 339 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: about national politics and the current ranting and raving, and 340 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: then how great it is to be involved in the 341 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: progress that can be made. To me, it was really 342 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: important to really write about how can we do better 343 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 1: as a nation, And we don't do better as a 344 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: nation by blaming each other and by sharing our grievances. 345 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: How we do better as a nation is really working 346 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: together and making progress. And it's really hard because to 347 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 1: do that you have to kind of set aside your 348 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: preconceived notions about other people and to really focus on 349 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: one issue and to make progress there. It's really worth it, 350 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: and that's the only way you actually move forward. Join 351 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: a book that is as important as thoughtful as Our 352 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 1: Broken America is a real project. How did you find 353 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: the time and how did you discipline yourself to do that? 354 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: You're right, it is a real project. When people buy 355 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: the book and read it, they'll notice that I have 356 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: pages and pages and pages and pages of footnotes because 357 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: I did a ton of research for this book. It 358 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: was very important for me that not that ja I 359 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: wrote about it, but that I actually had information and 360 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: statistics and other people's ideas and trying to synthesize kind 361 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: of what's out there currently. So with a lot of research. 362 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: I did a lot of it early in the morning 363 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: or late at night, or I don't know if you've 364 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: had this experience when I wake up at two o'clock 365 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: in the morning for two hours. I might write then, 366 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,239 Speaker 1: but you just have to sit down and do it. 367 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: This is the first time that I put together a 368 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: full length book, and quite frankly, it was a huge challenge, 369 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: and there were quite a few times in there where 370 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: I was a little concerned about a where it was 371 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: going and be where it would end up. I can 372 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: tell you that it wouldn't have been possible without my 373 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 1: sister Kathy, who was a constant cheerleader for me, and 374 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: without Tom Watkins, who helped edit my work. It just 375 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: did an incredible job, and of course Kate it's interstrate. 376 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: Kate hearts and did a great job. It's a long process, 377 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: and I've got to say I'm actually quite happy with 378 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: how it turned out, which you never know when you 379 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 1: start a project how it's going to end up. You'll 380 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: have the knack of taking psychological information in psychological insights 381 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: and then applying to our national political dialogue in a 382 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 1: sense kind of treating the country like a giant person 383 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: and weaving together things that are totally outside of the 384 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: kind of traditional think tank segmentation. So as opposed to 385 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: a series of verticals, you somehow are able to horizontally 386 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: reach across and pick up insights and ideas from a 387 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: wide range of sources. How do you find all these sources? 388 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: I'm a voracist reader. I love to learn, so you know, 389 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,439 Speaker 1: I mean I have an MBA and finance to have 390 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: a CFA. I worked in financial operations involved with four 391 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: Difference nonprofit in Atlanta are rite columns. So to your point, 392 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: I have a lot. It's a very broad area, and 393 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 1: I'm very interested in all sorts of things anythink from. 394 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: I actually quote from a CFA website in the book 395 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: to looking at statistics about child development. Since I have 396 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: kids and really my first role as wife and mother, 397 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: I spent a lot of time doing that. I spent 398 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time thinking about that. I spent a 399 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: lot of time with my children and my husband trying 400 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 1: to think about how can we be a better family. 401 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: And I think all those things make me very curious 402 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: and to your point about you know, looking at our 403 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: nation as a big like it's this big family or 404 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: this big you know, personal dynamic. If we really if 405 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: you think about it, you know, we're really careful our 406 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: most parents are really careful about how we talk to children, 407 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: because we all know that if you tell a children, 408 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: or even if you're a teacher, if you tell a 409 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: child all the time they're terrible, it's very lovely that 410 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: child will end up that way. And so we think 411 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: very careful about how we frame things, about how we 412 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: talk about children, about talking about the future is bright, 413 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: if they work hard, they'll do well, etc. Etc. But 414 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: think about how we talk about our nation right now, 415 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: And that's really kind of what's driving this vision for 416 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: this book. If we're so we hear so many negative 417 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: things about our nation today, and that's quite frankly a 418 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: challenge for us, and I think we really need to 419 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 1: change our national dialogue. Yes we have problems. I'm not 420 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: saying we don't have problems, but we really need to 421 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: focus on the things that are so exceptional about our nation, 422 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: how grateful we are, and then figure out from there, 423 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: from a strength of positivity and optimism and belief in 424 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: the future. From there we can make real progress. But 425 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: if we're constantly beating ourselves up as a nation, it's 426 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: no wonder that we don't make much progress. So in 427 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: a sense, you try to heal the country the same 428 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: way as if you were apparent. The way we move 429 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: forward best in America if we have a leader or 430 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 1: someone that can inspire us to be better, to do better, 431 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: to reach out, and that's what we need today. We 432 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: don't need leaders that talk about how horrible we are. 433 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, that makes it all want to go in 434 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: our closets and not come out. We need people that 435 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 1: they talk about how great we are and about together 436 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: what progress we can make. That's where our country really 437 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: is the best and does the best. And that's why 438 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: I'm really reaching for in this book. Well, listen, I'm 439 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: really proud of your new book, Are Broken America. Why 440 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 1: both sides need to stop ranting and start listening. And 441 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody that it's available for preorder now. 442 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest Jackie Gingrich Cushman. You can 443 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: read the next sertive of her new book, Are Broken 444 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: America why both sides need to stop ranting and start 445 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: listening by visiting our show page at newtsworld dot com. 446 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 1: News World is produced by Westwood One. Our executive producers 447 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Debbie Myers, and our producer is Garnsey Slow. Our editor 448 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: is Robert Browski, and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. Our 449 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: guest booker is Grace Davis. The artwork for the show 450 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: was created by Steve Penley. The music was composed by 451 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: Joey Salvia. Special thanks to the team at King sixty 452 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: and Westwood Ones, John Wardock and Robert Batters. Please email 453 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: me with your comments at newt at newtsworld dot com. 454 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: If you've been enjoying Newtsworld, I hope you'll go to 455 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast and both rate us with five stars and 456 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: give us a review so others can learn what it's 457 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: all about. 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