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Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It's a Friday edition of the Dallas Cowboys
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Speaker 1: are back from the s WBC studios at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. We have braved the frozen tundra of the
Speaker 1: Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex and made it to the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco at day late, Brian, but they be too
Speaker 1: late to talk about the draft. No, it's always good
Speaker 1: to talk about the draft. And you know, with with
Speaker 1: the combine on the horizon, you speak of frigid and
Speaker 1: cold and all those things. I know Jeff Kavanaugh can
Speaker 1: tell us a few stories about combine cold. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't want a little different, No, I don't want to
Speaker 1: talk about it though. A little cold, right, A little different, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's different. Yeah, it's I live twenties, so if it's
Speaker 1: cold outside, I'll wear a long sleeve T shirt and
Speaker 1: a hoodie. Yeah that's what I own. That's about it.
Speaker 1: So that's what I took to Indie because I was like,
Speaker 1: oh it's cold, I'll let me grab my cold things,
Speaker 1: my long sleeve T shirts and my hoodies. Negative eight
Speaker 1: windchill does not care about your hoodie or your T shirt.
Speaker 1: Yeah at all, blows right through that rudder room jacket
Speaker 1: that you've got on helme and tried to quit. He did,
Speaker 1: tried to quit life day walking down the street in
Speaker 1: India after drinking and he sat down on the sidewalking rid.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? He said, I'm done. I can't
Speaker 1: do it. He just wanted to stay. Is like sleep
Speaker 1: in the face, No, no, no. It was freezing, bitter, bitter,
Speaker 1: bitter cold. And if you know, everybody who's gone to
Speaker 1: the Combine knows how to get around without going outside
Speaker 1: where our hotel hell was. We had to walk up
Speaker 1: past the Capitola done and Dave sat down on the
Speaker 1: curb and started crying, laugh laughing and crying at the
Speaker 1: same time. And I like, I grabbed as he had
Speaker 1: his backpack and I grabbed his like strap and I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, man, we gotta go. He's like, no, I
Speaker 1: can't go further. I can't just go. Just leave me.
Speaker 1: They'll pick me up in the morning. I'm like, no, Dave,
Speaker 1: you gotta go. You gotta get going. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the the Slippery Noodle and all those places they missed
Speaker 1: us up there in Indie. I think this gracious. I've
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of draft stories from you guys
Speaker 1: over the years, including the one where Jeff was freezing
Speaker 1: the first time around, and I learned from that. I've
Speaker 1: just a ton of clothes to andy. The first time,
Speaker 1: we stayed at a hotel that was literally across the
Speaker 1: street from Lucas Oil Stadium, and Jeff took an uber
Speaker 1: from across the street around to the entrance to where
Speaker 1: he had to go. Yeah, it was on the other
Speaker 1: side of State. It was on the other strip. It
Speaker 1: was really confused. But I got into the uber and
Speaker 1: he's like where too, And I was like to the
Speaker 1: stadium and he was like there and I was like
Speaker 1: other side and I was like, yeah, I only have
Speaker 1: a hoodie. Take me to the other side. Please. I
Speaker 1: think we're in the same area this time, Dave and
Speaker 1: I move it or we'll we'll be flying out on Sunday,
Speaker 1: getting there Monday for Dave and I think it's the
Speaker 1: same thing. I think we're on one side of Lucas
Speaker 1: Oil and then the convention centers across from Lucas Oil.
Speaker 1: I've coached Dave up well where to stay at Indy
Speaker 1: and he knows. I appreciate the fact that he's carried
Speaker 1: the baton about getting stuff organized and no one were
Speaker 1: to stay. And yeah, it's a it's a pretty simplistic walk, though,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what those there's times where if you've
Speaker 1: had a few a few drinks after a long day
Speaker 1: and you're walking home, that that cold will sober you
Speaker 1: up a little bit. You walk, yeah, get you going
Speaker 1: the right. Oh yeah. It should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: And we'll of course have coverage throughout next week from
Speaker 1: the Combine and Dave and Jeff will be holding it
Speaker 1: down here from back at the Star in Frisco. But
Speaker 1: Dave not here today, so I've slid back over into
Speaker 1: the host chair for the temporary time being. But I
Speaker 1: like the way that he's been starting these draft shows
Speaker 1: and by naming the last player that you've watched or
Speaker 1: somebody that stuck out to you since the last showed
Speaker 1: that we had, So, Brian, who was the last guy
Speaker 1: that you took some time? Yeah, last night, around twelve
Speaker 1: twenty eight, I took a look at a young man
Speaker 1: named John Ridgeway from Arkansas, the defensive tackle. I think
Speaker 1: he's a fourth round player. Myself hater, but this guy
Speaker 1: is when you watch him, he's a true two gap
Speaker 1: knows he plays head up and he's a really powerful guy.
Speaker 1: Though six five three twenty is what the measurables I've
Speaker 1: got right now on him. But he will line up.
Speaker 1: I mean he will breathe the same air as the center.
Speaker 1: I mean he's that close to the center's face and
Speaker 1: all that. So I do like his power. I do
Speaker 1: like the way he's able to hold guys along the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. I think that the thing about him
Speaker 1: is he's good playing the run. I just don't think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get very much from him as a pass rusher.
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get a guy that's gonna push
Speaker 1: real hard and try and drive guys back and and
Speaker 1: hopefully take up blocks for everybody else. That's kind of
Speaker 1: what the vibe I got watching him play. I took
Speaker 1: a peek at that Mississippi and Mississippi State game of him.
Speaker 1: But this guy could have a long career. I think
Speaker 1: playing is at one technique or a nose guy in
Speaker 1: this league just getting taking up blocks, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: getting off him. If you run at him, he's going
Speaker 1: to kind of disengage his guy and and make the tackle.
Speaker 1: He's a really a physical player too, as a physical tackler.
Speaker 1: Like I say, there were a couple of times Mississippi
Speaker 1: State try to run on side of him and like
Speaker 1: he slammed the ball carrier down on the ground. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, though, there's your there's your
Speaker 1: one technique or nose depending on what scheme you play.
Speaker 1: But a pretty good player with the power he has.
Speaker 1: I kind of like the story that he has too.
Speaker 1: He was a transfer from Illinois State, Illinois State two
Speaker 1: star recruit out of high school. He was recruited as
Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. Yeah, so he's still very raw at
Speaker 1: the position. Did you see any of that in the film?
Speaker 1: Is there something fundamentally? No? I mean to me, when
Speaker 1: you know, when you when you have guys that play
Speaker 1: with power and or to just you know, they just
Speaker 1: mal people. That's you know, that's kind of like either
Speaker 1: you're an offensive lineman your defensive tackle. I didn't see
Speaker 1: anything that led me to believe that there was any
Speaker 1: any steep learning curve or anything like that. If you're
Speaker 1: going to play football and be mean, push that guy,
Speaker 1: get to that John John Ridgeways your guy. If I
Speaker 1: can say, if you want that one technique or that
Speaker 1: knows that just is just gonna he's gonna eat up
Speaker 1: blocks the way he plays. But again, he's not going
Speaker 1: to give you anything inside. But we've had a couple
Speaker 1: of these guys in this draft that are big body
Speaker 1: guys that are really tight, kind of two down players,
Speaker 1: and he kind of fits in that mode. Have you
Speaker 1: seen him yet, Jeff, I've not. Nope. Last night I
Speaker 1: decided to power through the linebackers, all the linebackers because
Speaker 1: I knew we were going to talk about them some today. Nice.
Speaker 1: So I've watched all of the linebackers. So there's fifty
Speaker 1: three on my list. You've watched fifty, watched sixty. I
Speaker 1: went a little deeper than some USFL guys get the draft.
Speaker 1: I've seen twelve linebackers good. Last one was Channing Tindall Georgia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a full time starter because Georgia has too
Speaker 1: many good linebackers. So like normally it's they start off
Speaker 1: with Nikobe Dean and Quay Walker, and then they have
Speaker 1: another single digit linebacker who's their past rush guy over here,
Speaker 1: and then Channing Tindall and the kid it's dealing with
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff. Oh well, even without him,
Speaker 1: there's another one. Okay's over there that looks pretty busy
Speaker 1: edge or is he actually a linebacker? What's with all
Speaker 1: the questions? I'm sorry, that's my default. Anytime I don't
Speaker 1: know something's call the questions. Channing Tindall's fun though. He
Speaker 1: is a heat seeker. He's like six two two thirty
Speaker 1: and he is Georgia. He is ball snapped me, run
Speaker 1: me break things, and he runs really really fast. Jeff,
Speaker 1: did you see some stiffness in his game at all?
Speaker 1: That the attorney part. I mean we were talking about
Speaker 1: the missile downhill player. Totally agree with you on that.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know if there was when you watched
Speaker 1: him cover or there was a little bit of how
Speaker 1: well can he really turn? Yeah? I think he is,
Speaker 1: Like I have him as a third round ish yeah,
Speaker 1: three four cheater grade, because I think that he's probably
Speaker 1: a two down player. And even as a two down player,
Speaker 1: there's probably some growth you have to have in terms
Speaker 1: of awareness process trigger. But as far as hey, the
Speaker 1: running back is going to run a sweep, yeah, there
Speaker 1: is zero chance that running back is going to beat
Speaker 1: Channing Tendal to the sideline. You are going to see
Speaker 1: him and you were going to feel him. You know what, Kyle,
Speaker 1: It's funny Jeff talked about trigger. When you watch Georgia play,
Speaker 1: if you don't react quick enough, it's very noticeable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because Nikobe Deean will run. Yeah, everybody else, all those
Speaker 1: guys will run. I mean, like you said, if you
Speaker 1: if And I think the thing with Tendall was there
Speaker 1: was a couple of one or two plays I noticed
Speaker 1: where he was a little slow reacting to the development
Speaker 1: of the play. But so I said, that's something you
Speaker 1: got to keep an eye on again, the stiffness and
Speaker 1: then the instincts to quickly get out of But once,
Speaker 1: I mean you're right, once this guy got going, it
Speaker 1: was I mean, it was a blur. All those Georgia
Speaker 1: kids play like their blurs. It kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of that LSU team a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: a team that where you looked up and down the
Speaker 1: depth chart and you're saying, okay, that's a first round
Speaker 1: or first round or second, second, third, third, and then ultimately,
Speaker 1: of course they had what what was it fourteen guys
Speaker 1: drafted that did that year some of these some were
Speaker 1: reserves in that back end. Of course, both teams national champions,
Speaker 1: So that's going to happen when you have a team
Speaker 1: as stacked as that. Georgie's got some really good players.
Speaker 1: Fun to stay. Nolan Smith is the stand up edge
Speaker 1: linebacker number three. Not draft eligible, right, I've seen, Well
Speaker 1: he's eligible. I don't know if he's declared, but he
Speaker 1: is set number four. You're right, yeah, Yeah. They get
Speaker 1: a lot of linebackers at Georgia and they play all
Speaker 1: over the place. And when we go through him, which
Speaker 1: I think it's part of the show to third segment,
Speaker 1: other ones to talk about, yep, like me some Kuay Walker.
Speaker 1: He's a fun prospect. I watched Walker Tuesday after the show.
Speaker 1: Did you like the fact that that big body is
Speaker 1: wearing that number seven? It looked good on him. Yes
Speaker 1: it did, yeah, yes, and lean yeah. So we haven't
Speaker 1: had a chance to really talk about the way that
Speaker 1: the first round really plays out in front of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Of course, picking at number twenty four, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot of things that can happen between now and Draft
Speaker 1: Day in late April, but with the combine coming up,
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted to get a pre combine feel
Speaker 1: of what you think will happen in front of the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about the NFC East, the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Eagles, the of course the Commanders almost said football
Speaker 1: team because that's what I have written down as, but
Speaker 1: they are the Washington Commanders. Now, what do you feel
Speaker 1: like this is going to happen? Are there any big
Speaker 1: surprises in store? Are there going to be any teams
Speaker 1: outside of twenty four trading up in front of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to maybe go get a quarterback, a wide receiver,
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, etc. That could affect the Cowboys? And what
Speaker 1: would happen at twenty four. I think this is going
Speaker 1: to be one of the hardest drafts to predict that
Speaker 1: we've had in a long time. Like I can name
Speaker 1: you six or seven guys that are probably gonna go
Speaker 1: in the top ten to twelve. But when you're talking
Speaker 1: about drafting at twenty four, I think in a normal draft,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get too cocky here, but I
Speaker 1: bet we could nail like eighteen nineteen of the names.
Speaker 1: Sure they're gonna go before you. Yeah, And in this one,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's more like you could name ten
Speaker 1: to twelve of the names, and then you don't know,
Speaker 1: like I know three offensive tackles, I know a safety,
Speaker 1: I know two corners, I know two edge guys, maybe
Speaker 1: three or four. But even those, the order, like the
Speaker 1: wide receiver order they come off the board, no idea
Speaker 1: the edge order outside of Aiden Hutchinson and Cavon Thibadeau.
Speaker 1: No idea like does somebody take Trayvon Walker in the
Speaker 1: top ten? Maybe? Yea? Does somebody take David Ojabo in
Speaker 1: the top ten? Possibly? Maybe did our George karloftis top
Speaker 1: ten to fifteen? Maybe would one of those guys be
Speaker 1: staring down the barrel of you at twenty four? Maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be. It's going to be a really
Speaker 1: interesting one because there's not the blue chip prospects at
Speaker 1: the top, and so then it's coming down to which
Speaker 1: guy do I prefer because of what I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask him to do. Yeah, And so this thing could
Speaker 1: go so many different ways where I could see the
Speaker 1: Cowboys getting on the clock and their best player could
Speaker 1: be a wide receiver and offensive tackle and offensive garden,
Speaker 1: offensive center, an edge player, linebacker, a corner. It could
Speaker 1: be almost anything, which is great for a team that
Speaker 1: could use most positions. So I just think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a really tough one to call. I think if
Speaker 1: you look at the division, I think the Giants make
Speaker 1: their two picks at five and seven. I think the
Speaker 1: Commanders make their pick at eleven, and now here comes
Speaker 1: the wildcard of Philadelphia. With all those three picks in
Speaker 1: front of you, and depending on if Philadelphia gets into
Speaker 1: this quarterback trading market, if that's the case, you could
Speaker 1: have somebody else, particularly maybe Seattle pick in there. You know,
Speaker 1: with the Russell Wilson deal, maybe you would have the
Speaker 1: Texans in there picking in that spot as well. So
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that, with everything in front
Speaker 1: of you, the only team that I would worry about
Speaker 1: as far as moving around and maybe making some things
Speaker 1: difficult or bringing somebody in there, that you don't want
Speaker 1: would be the Eagles. That would be the team that
Speaker 1: I would kind of keep it on. And a lot
Speaker 1: of it has to do because of the three first
Speaker 1: round picks. But again, if they get involved in this
Speaker 1: quarterback derby that we might have once free agency starts,
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that that's the team that
Speaker 1: might might put a different team in front of you.
Speaker 1: Totally agree with Jeff, though. I think the opening that
Speaker 1: you have, and the Cowboys have been a really patient
Speaker 1: team the last couple of years. They've allowed the board
Speaker 1: to come to them. You know, I think when it
Speaker 1: comes time and we're all sitting here in the draft
Speaker 1: and the picks made, we're all going to probably say,
Speaker 1: that's a pretty damn good pick. Sure, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: damn good pick. I don't think there's anything that would
Speaker 1: really just totally just take a sideways, you know, on
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys might do, because again, I think just
Speaker 1: sitting there and allowing the board to come to them
Speaker 1: will probably be a pretty good thing for them. I
Speaker 1: think I had that same conversation with a friend of
Speaker 1: mine who's big into the draft as well, and really,
Speaker 1: the only thing you could really look at that would
Speaker 1: be frustrating on draft day if the Cowboys were to
Speaker 1: go and reach on a player and go grab a
Speaker 1: guy who's maybe a late second or an early third
Speaker 1: in your board. Yeah, you still feel like at some
Speaker 1: point those guys in front of you are going to fall.
Speaker 1: Those those mid first round picks, late first round picks
Speaker 1: that you do feel like are in that category. I mean,
Speaker 1: we've put lists out there, We've talked about the Lendard
Speaker 1: bombs and the brains of the world. If those guys
Speaker 1: don't fall to you, you're still gonna get a good point. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're still a great play. Yeah, I did it. I
Speaker 1: found one h And these are just mock drafts, right,
Speaker 1: but you're just look at the other day, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I look at pretty much all of them, just to
Speaker 1: see different scenarios and like, oh, who does that mean made?
Speaker 1: Who does that mean made it? And one of them
Speaker 1: I went on first glance, I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: it's the mock draft of doom. Yeah, like Linderbaum and Green,
Speaker 1: my offensive lineman were gone, Zion Johnson was gone, even
Speaker 1: offensive lineman was gone. Nakobe Deane and Devin Lloyd were gone.
Speaker 1: The corners were gone, the edge guys you would want
Speaker 1: were gone, and I was like, holy cow, there is
Speaker 1: a Doom's day. And then I look back at it
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, wait, zero wide receivers were picked. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So even in a scenario where you try to wipe
Speaker 1: yourself out, it's like, oh, you can have your first
Speaker 1: pick of receivers in the draft. And I think Trent
Speaker 1: McDuffie the Washington Corner was available, so it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you did have to You had guys fall in your lap.
Speaker 1: No matter what, if you're willing to accept your gift,
Speaker 1: one will fall to you. I kind of feel like,
Speaker 1: though that to me, if I got totally wiped out,
Speaker 1: I think there's two names that might be there. Jeff
Speaker 1: mentioned mccot to test your love for Ed Ingram. No,
Speaker 1: I love ed Ingram in the second round, okay, I
Speaker 1: do he's outside you know me, I have twenty first
Speaker 1: round grades. Yeah, so he's outside of that group. I
Speaker 1: will say this though about let me say this at Ingram,
Speaker 1: I said in the second round, there, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: I could have I could have McDuffie on that board,
Speaker 1: or I could have Das Hill on that board, and
Speaker 1: I would be totally okay with that. I'd I'd be
Speaker 1: totally okay with either one of those guys if I
Speaker 1: got completely wiped out where the receiver here remained the same.
Speaker 1: You didn't do anything with the MARII Cooper, So it's Cooper,
Speaker 1: it's CD and it's like whoever else you want to
Speaker 1: sign ancer name here? Yeah, so I'm okay there, But
Speaker 1: let me see what's going on. Do you lose curse?
Speaker 1: You know? Do you you know? Do you do you
Speaker 1: want to do you want to upgrade at corner because
Speaker 1: you might move on from Anthony Brown because you say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's a five million dollars savings right there. I wonder
Speaker 1: if this team would because if you haven't watched every
Speaker 1: show that we've done, Trent McDuffie is Washington Corner. That's
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah, Like he's a first round player and
Speaker 1: I'd be really happy to take him at twenty four.
Speaker 1: I wonder if this team would see that's ten. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, Jeff, because I don't know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't fit the mold. Well. When we did Jeff and
Speaker 1: and Dana and I did a show, you know, plug
Speaker 1: and play. We do it every Wednesday night. Seven three
Speaker 1: Central and on my YouTube YouTube channel to slash get
Speaker 1: it out there. Well, this is my last day on
Speaker 1: terrestrial radio. Yeah, I'm graderations to be a digital man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's cutting the cord. Yeah, if you want
Speaker 1: to hear me talking sports, it's on YouTube YouTube dot
Speaker 1: com Slash Jeff Kevin. But the but we talked about
Speaker 1: this the other day about that, and I was I
Speaker 1: was visiting with some scouts and they're saying, listen, everybody's
Speaker 1: fallen in love with McDuffie and he's a really good player,
Speaker 1: but he might measure smaller than the five eleven you're
Speaker 1: working with right now, like five nine and seven eight. Yes,
Speaker 1: under five ten is because he's five eleven even one
Speaker 1: eighty nine. And that's that's what people are saying. It's like,
Speaker 1: don't be surprised if that measurement comes under exactly. And
Speaker 1: you know, you still watch the tape. But then you know,
Speaker 1: we love the player. The NFL might not love the
Speaker 1: player like we do. Sure, and then so that to me,
Speaker 1: if you are you willing, is you know the one
Speaker 1: thing that Washington has done is they've put a lot
Speaker 1: they've put secondary guys into this, into these the NFL
Speaker 1: and done a good job with it. They've also that
Speaker 1: scheme is really really difficult from what I understand, to
Speaker 1: teach and to learn. So you have to have a
Speaker 1: football intelligence smart stuff like that that you know, those
Speaker 1: are the kinds of things. I mean, you show me
Speaker 1: a guy that can cover and a guy that's smart.
Speaker 1: I have if I get wiped out and that guy's available,
Speaker 1: or dacks Hill is available, one of those things, I
Speaker 1: turned that card in and I worry about getting ready
Speaker 1: for the next the next pick that's super wipeout area,
Speaker 1: would either of you be okay with If it was
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis three, I would have I would be okay
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, I wouldn't have a problem. That's kind
Speaker 1: of my thought process. And you look at some of
Speaker 1: the last couple of drafts. I mean, the Steelers picked
Speaker 1: the twenty four last year. They that's where they got
Speaker 1: Naja Harris at the running back position. So you could
Speaker 1: kind of say that's that's a good player, but not
Speaker 1: a position the Cowboys would be looking for. Caesar Ruiz
Speaker 1: was the Saints pick at twenty four two years ago exactly,
Speaker 1: So I think you're going to get some really good
Speaker 1: players Brandon IUK went after Ruise in that draft. Patrick Queen,
Speaker 1: linebacker out of LSU, did the same thing. Jeff Gladney
Speaker 1: out of TCU. Look in the twenties, what happens is
Speaker 1: you stop fiddle farting. Yeah, in the teams you're fiddle farting.
Speaker 1: You're looking at hey, is that the last good edge?
Speaker 1: Is that man corners a premier position? We do? We
Speaker 1: need to pluck this last corner we got at twenty four.
Speaker 1: You watch the fiddle farts happen, and then you just
Speaker 1: take what's over? Which good player did you? Guys just
Speaker 1: let go because you were chasing a corner and an
Speaker 1: offensive tackle and a you know whatever, premium position. You
Speaker 1: all fiddle farted and you chased the premium position. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the good player, I know, if I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use your terminology fiddle fart out there. It feels good
Speaker 1: the way that the thing or the first round could
Speaker 1: kind of fall into place a little bit far from
Speaker 1: ugan sure that yeah, absolutely. From ten on it's an
Speaker 1: old statement. Do you feel like there's going to be
Speaker 1: as much of the fiddle farting as you really see
Speaker 1: in years past? Because I feel like like you said earlier,
Speaker 1: there's seven eight guys that you feel comfortable saying are
Speaker 1: going to be gone. But outside of that, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of movement that could potentially happen in between ten
Speaker 1: and twenty three. These quarterbacks. These quarterbacks going to be
Speaker 1: helps people chase premier positions, Like I think you could
Speaker 1: see Trevor Penning, the Northern Iowa offensive tackle who to
Speaker 1: me is a second round guy, but you know your
Speaker 1: people are gonna like a lot of the traits he has,
Speaker 1: and he's an offensive tackle that gets pushed up. Maybe
Speaker 1: he goes before you. Maybe four corners go before you,
Speaker 1: maybe six edge guys go before you. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking at centers and guards and linebackers like, hey,
Speaker 1: what you got there? Who's gonna fall? To me? Is
Speaker 1: there another team outside of the division that you look
Speaker 1: at in terms of their needs and see them as
Speaker 1: a potential threat to take those guys? Because I know
Speaker 1: we've talked about and you guys run those mock drafts simulation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's that You're going to run into something today, and
Speaker 1: they're twenty three Keeps stealing interior offensive lineman from me,
Speaker 1: Cardinals keeping all the mock drafts. They keep taking my
Speaker 1: interior line. I don't appreciate it. Okay, sometimes it's Linderbaum.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's kind of protect Tyler Murray. I've seen Zion
Speaker 1: Johnson to them multiple times. Yeah, you know, we'll see that.
Speaker 1: There's there's there's a couple of teams that are gonna
Speaker 1: be drafting ahead of you a lot in this draft
Speaker 1: that I always worry about because I think that they
Speaker 1: have a good understanding for players. I think the Chargers
Speaker 1: are one of those teams. The Pittsburgh Steelers are one
Speaker 1: of those teams at twenty. Yeah. Now you get a
Speaker 1: team like Buffalo behind you who kind of has an
Speaker 1: understanding for players. So yeah, I just you know, the
Speaker 1: fact that you've got all your division opponents ahead of you,
Speaker 1: you know, is that that's a little concerning there. But
Speaker 1: when you got good drafting team again, you know, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: those people that you're gonna probably have a couple of
Speaker 1: pin throws along the way because they kind of figure
Speaker 1: out a way to take a guy or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. A real pin thrower. That's a real pin throw.
Speaker 1: When Brian does a lot of fake pen throws, sure,
Speaker 1: like they had a couple of those last year, a fake,
Speaker 1: fake pin throw. But yeah, this when when you get
Speaker 1: a couple of teams like say Chargers, Ravens, Steelers in
Speaker 1: front of you that draft, I think draft particularly, well,
Speaker 1: there's there's gonna be some some mine fields you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to navigate. I feel like it's a fun I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as a fun pin throw. I
Speaker 1: mean you love to get those somebody or neck or
Speaker 1: something and it kind of sticks for a second but
Speaker 1: then falls and just goes back to the table. That
Speaker 1: might be a little fun. I think Tom Coughlin throw
Speaker 1: a phone. Can we hear that story? Full size? Picked
Speaker 1: up a phone and threw it like the whole things, oh,
Speaker 1: the state, the phone and the station, everything, cradle everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted to draft. He wanted to draft a Curtis
Speaker 1: Enis and he oh, this worked out for him. That's
Speaker 1: when they took Fred Taylor. They took Fred Taylor and
Speaker 1: like he was, he was pissed. One of the greatest
Speaker 1: Jacksonville jags of all time. He just threw the phone
Speaker 1: through the complete phone onto the ground and everybody was like, okay,
Speaker 1: whatever kind of the thing that was its fake. He
Speaker 1: was really mad. Yeah, it was really mad. Yeah. But
Speaker 1: that's the thing is we're gonna have some pin throws throughout,
Speaker 1: and when the pin throws settled down, you're still gonna
Speaker 1: look at twenty four and you're still gonna get a
Speaker 1: great player. So and that's the other fun thing about something,
Speaker 1: just real quick is like Tom Coughlin in that moment
Speaker 1: thought he lost his running back. Yeah, and he actually
Speaker 1: got the draft Goods did him a favor. He got
Speaker 1: the better one he got. He just didn't know it yet.
Speaker 1: He just didn't know it. Yeah. The thing I think
Speaker 1: the thing too about it is the thing with the
Speaker 1: draft it always kind of makes me irritated is when
Speaker 1: we kind of we're working through it and we were
Speaker 1: all right, give me your best guys, give me your
Speaker 1: best guys, and it's the same best guy every time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm gonne thing, So I stop saying his name,
Speaker 1: keep asking me who's my best scout? At what point
Speaker 1: in time do you stop saying that guy's name that
Speaker 1: you know there's something wrong with it? I never did.
Speaker 1: I think starting about the mid third round and I
Speaker 1: was like, well, our Darius Washington for there yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I've thrown the same disclaimer. But I know he's
Speaker 1: a tiny person. He may not even get drafted, but
Speaker 1: he's really good. You got your talking points, yes, as
Speaker 1: the day wears on, and get the talking points grow
Speaker 1: a lot longer. Jeff was sitting here at the end
Speaker 1: of the table, and I swear every time we looked
Speaker 1: at him and was just like, all right, so after
Speaker 1: our Darius Washington, else you got because yeah, man, he
Speaker 1: never ended up getting off the board. All right, let's
Speaker 1: take our first break. When we come back Twitter on
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Speaker 1: twenty Twitter on the twenty, Starting things off with Connor,
Speaker 1: our friend over there at Connor NFL Draft. He asked
Speaker 1: what interior offensive line options are most realistically appealing at
Speaker 1: pick number fifty six, so in the second round for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and he wants to know more about Darien
Speaker 1: Beavers and his short arms. He says he is a
Speaker 1: fan of mister Beavers. One linebacker I didn't watch, didn't
Speaker 1: watch him. I seen Beaver. I talked about him the
Speaker 1: other days. The only linebackers I'll talk about him. But
Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with the interior offensive line. We'll
Speaker 1: get the Beavers here in a second. But Brian, anybody
Speaker 1: stick out in the interior in that second round there
Speaker 1: that does Brian Well, I mean, ye edd Ingram's in
Speaker 1: that group for me. By the way, I think you
Speaker 1: know Knard. I don't know where exactly people from will
Speaker 1: have him from Kentucky. Giant dude played tackle at Kentucky
Speaker 1: and is a fricking people mover. He is a great
Speaker 1: run blocker. Yeah, I'll tell you if he movement and yeah,
Speaker 1: technique exactly a little bit people moving. Yeah, I kind
Speaker 1: of I've kind of was a fan. Two of you
Speaker 1: mentioned I mentioned Kard Thayer Mumford from Ohio State was
Speaker 1: another guy six six three twenty seven. And then another kid,
Speaker 1: Sean Ryan from UCLA who was a tackle that projects inside.
Speaker 1: He played left tackle at UCLA, so likely you know,
Speaker 1: these are two mammoth guys. Ryan six five three twenty
Speaker 1: and Mumford is six six three twenty seven. So I
Speaker 1: mean there's a you watch Mudford played left tackle in
Speaker 1: the Utah game the Rose Bowl, and then he played
Speaker 1: left guard in the Minnesota game, and I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to be totally out of position the way
Speaker 1: he comes off the ball, and the next thing you know,
Speaker 1: that big body is recovering and it's like he's into
Speaker 1: a guy. Now the movement starts, and so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy he's not always going to hit the target square,
Speaker 1: but man, he manages to get his guy past the
Speaker 1: hole and things like that. And Ryan on the other
Speaker 1: side is I mean, I think that to me, there's
Speaker 1: another guy with a massive guy that moves really really well.
Speaker 1: His base does get a little narrow at time on
Speaker 1: run blocks, and then that's when he tries to use
Speaker 1: that mass to like lean on people and push him.
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like that maybe in a
Speaker 1: little bit of a shorter area that you might be
Speaker 1: able to kind of get some good out of him.
Speaker 1: But man, I'll tell you what, if I say this,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be a terrible option if you had to
Speaker 1: use him as a tackle. Say you play him at
Speaker 1: guard and all of a sudden, oh we're struggling a
Speaker 1: little bit, boom, we got to kick him to tackle.
Speaker 1: I don't think he would be a terrible option. A
Speaker 1: matter of fact, I don't think him or Mumford would be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna sit there and say position
Speaker 1: flex because I hate that statement myself. Sure, but if
Speaker 1: you had to, if something bad happened in a game,
Speaker 1: if you didn't dress enough, guys, these cats could help
Speaker 1: you that way too. The thing about Mumford out of
Speaker 1: Ohio State, he played left tackle his entire twenty twenty season,
Speaker 1: and then he moved to left guard full time quote unquote,
Speaker 1: because like you said, they ultimately ended up kicking him
Speaker 1: back out there. Yeah as well, and he played better
Speaker 1: at tackle than he did at guard, I mean, per
Speaker 1: se throughout the entire twenty twenty season. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: into twenty one. Who was the other guy you were
Speaker 1: talking about there that was my guy a Ryan from
Speaker 1: UCLA Ucla, Okay, wanted to clarify that real quick, but
Speaker 1: I mean those are two guys that, like you said,
Speaker 1: you hate the position flex tag because usually if you
Speaker 1: have that musician, play has position flex because he's awesome,
Speaker 1: because he's a badass guy can line up in places.
Speaker 1: Tell me where he can kick, But Martin can do
Speaker 1: Mumford had. Mumford had to play tackle because Petite Free,
Speaker 1: who we talked about, who, yeah, who he like? I
Speaker 1: think he sat out the game. They said, okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna kick you outside. So to make up for who
Speaker 1: do you like more out of those two, petite Free
Speaker 1: and then Mumford from Ohio State. I think on my board,
Speaker 1: I put petite Free higher. Let me look real quick
Speaker 1: here I have I do. I have Petite as a tackle,
Speaker 1: and then I have Mumford. I had petite Free as
Speaker 1: a as a two and then Mumford as a three.
Speaker 1: Is what I've got. Guards who if you're going back
Speaker 1: to second round guards, I'll throw out the name Zion Johnson,
Speaker 1: even though I think he goes before that Siler from Georgia,
Speaker 1: and so the guys in order. If you're looking at
Speaker 1: a second round guard. For me, it's at Ingram at Lsu,
Speaker 1: Darien knarda Kentucky, and then Jamari Sawyer, who is Georgia's
Speaker 1: left tackle. But I think we'll be a guard in
Speaker 1: the league because he's another one of those guys where
Speaker 1: you're like, holy cow, look at this power. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: when you're talking about being perfectly efficient with placement and
Speaker 1: the movement skills, it's like, yeah, so put him in
Speaker 1: the phone booth. Yeah. Uh so, I would say, ed Ingram,
Speaker 1: Darien Kinnard Sawyer. What did you guys think about Kade
Speaker 1: May's Have you gotten the chance to watch him yet?
Speaker 1: Have not seen? I liked him at the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 1: I'd I'd like for that. I would like to hear
Speaker 1: what you guys think about him. Maybe next week or
Speaker 1: two weeks from now, once we get back from the combine. Good,
Speaker 1: good player, athletic guy and again position flex even though
Speaker 1: we hate that term. I think he's a guard in
Speaker 1: the league, but he played all five positions at Tennessee Transfer.
Speaker 1: Did anybody have you watched Cole strange from at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl? I haven't gotten the same thing yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Cram linebackers today maybe I'll call him offensive
Speaker 1: line the next couple. I know that just drives you nuts.
Speaker 1: Cram from offensive line. How about how about that? That's
Speaker 1: a deal I would make. He sent him times. Uh
Speaker 1: have you seen Darian Beavers yet? Bro, I have not. Okay,
Speaker 1: bes Se, well, we'll save that Connor. How about the Well,
Speaker 1: we'll say that as you're as our assignment going into
Speaker 1: the week, we're gonna look mister Beavers out of Cincinnati. Okay,
Speaker 1: how about this? Is there anyone at twenty four or
Speaker 1: fifty six that would be better than giving Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: a new contract? This from Brad and basically asking could
Speaker 1: you replace Brandy Gregory with you? Gotta this is the
Speaker 1: hard part because you gotta tell me what does it
Speaker 1: look like like. I could see a scenario where Aidan Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: Cavon Thibadeau, George Carlota's Trayvon Walker, David Ojabo, Jermaine Johnson
Speaker 1: are all gone. If those six are gone, then I
Speaker 1: would say no, And I wouldn't bet on anybody outside
Speaker 1: of the top two to be able to play at
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory's level as a rookie. So no. Now you're
Speaker 1: also comparing apples to Oranges because Randy Gregory is about
Speaker 1: to be on a second count or I guess it'll
Speaker 1: be his third contract making a bunch of money, and
Speaker 1: a rookie wouldn't make that at twenty four. But I
Speaker 1: don't think you can replace Randy Gregory in the short term.
Speaker 1: At twenty four, I don't believe you can do it, Okay,
Speaker 1: So that means no at fifty six is At the
Speaker 1: same time, Ran, do you think there's anybody and we
Speaker 1: can make this a little easier because I agree with
Speaker 1: you there's no way you replace him in the short term.
Speaker 1: But long term, is there a guy? There's guys that
Speaker 1: can develop? My boy a Mafe at Minnesota, Thinkitty at
Speaker 1: Penn State. Like there's dudes that could develop, but not
Speaker 1: ones that I'm wanting to pick in the first round
Speaker 1: and trust him like that. I the guy that I think.
Speaker 1: There's two names I think could replace Randy Gregory Logan Hall. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that he's a defensive tackle. I know.
Speaker 1: I think if you drafted Carloftus or Walker, I think
Speaker 1: you could replace Randy. So you extend it to the
Speaker 1: top four, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I said if if, if,
Speaker 1: if you lose Randy. I would say, if Carloftus or
Speaker 1: Walker were there, I think you could probably. I think
Speaker 1: you could probably handle that. Is that something you'd feel
Speaker 1: comfortable doing? I yeah, because I got both those guys
Speaker 1: in the first round. In that scenario you're keeping TANK
Speaker 1: would assume yeah, yeah. If you keep in Tank and
Speaker 1: you said, Okay, we lost Randy, Carloftus is on the board,
Speaker 1: do Walker? George is on the board, Boom. Either one
Speaker 1: of those guys, I would go with it the one
Speaker 1: who's the most interesting, And it depends where you look. Jabo, yes,
Speaker 1: Ojabo could. He's the one. He could go thirty five,
Speaker 1: he could go twenty four, and he is. This is
Speaker 1: Michigan's other edge guy other than Aiden Hutchinson. And he's
Speaker 1: got basically great athleticism. He's got long arms, and he's
Speaker 1: got two ways he wins as a rusher. One's kind
Speaker 1: of a eurostep to the outside, and he is an
Speaker 1: inside spin move. And just from his athletic profile and
Speaker 1: those two moves, he'll be a first round pick, no doubt.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of what is he going to end
Speaker 1: up as, because he may end up as a double
Speaker 1: digit SAT guy that may happen, and I think he'll
Speaker 1: be a designated pass rusher in year one, like that'd
Speaker 1: be his job. He might rush the passer. If to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, he might be the guy that's
Speaker 1: really more like Randy right where it's just at one
Speaker 1: with athletics, two hundred and fifty five pound guy, two
Speaker 1: hundred fifty pound guy, whatever, And maybe it's the guy
Speaker 1: winning with athletic ability, but is super super raw doing it.
Speaker 1: I like that. So that's almost a direct comparison if
Speaker 1: you wanted to look between the two, and if you're
Speaker 1: going to that he's a stand up rusher. Two, I'm
Speaker 1: thud down exactly nice. We discussed in previous shows the
Speaker 1: difference between Nakobe Dean and Devin Lloyd. Dean out of Georgia,
Speaker 1: Lloyd out of Utah. But if Lloyd is the pick,
Speaker 1: how is he different than Jabril Cox. Cox is a
Speaker 1: good coverage linebacker, you guys said, so as Lloyd tell
Speaker 1: me about the big differences between the two. This comes
Speaker 1: from Christopher. I think Devin Lloyd as a college player
Speaker 1: is a better forward player than Jabril Cox. Like Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox really shined covering tight ends and dropping back and
Speaker 1: making plays in coverage, but I thought that he was
Speaker 1: a pretty iffy run player in college. Devin Lloyd, I
Speaker 1: feel like people are going to get the impression that
Speaker 1: either I or we or whoever are lower on him
Speaker 1: because of how much I love Nakobe Dean. Devin Lloyd's
Speaker 1: a really good prospect. Like tons of backfield production. He's
Speaker 1: not a take on guy against offensive lineman, but he
Speaker 1: is a slippery, work my way through guy, So he's
Speaker 1: got lots of backfield production. He makes plays in the
Speaker 1: run game, he makes plays in the past game. I'm
Speaker 1: a big Devin Lloyd fan. I just love Nikobe Dean's
Speaker 1: instant acceleration and instincts. But I get it. The appeal
Speaker 1: in the NFL is length plays at linebacker, so he
Speaker 1: has all those good things. Then you add in sixty
Speaker 1: three long and that's that's a good prospect. The thing
Speaker 1: I could say about him over Cox is he'll make
Speaker 1: every single tackle. Yeah, I couldn't say that about Cox, Okay,
Speaker 1: and you know you watch Cox play at LSU and
Speaker 1: I'm playing next to each other with Randy Rush or
Speaker 1: Mica Russian, Let's go, they were there were We were
Speaker 1: very critical of him playing the run last year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when we were talking about him coming out, and but
Speaker 1: we were not critical about him covering people, which he
Speaker 1: can absolutely do and he's shown that. But with Lloyd,
Speaker 1: Jeff's got the player nailed. He will make every single
Speaker 1: tackle if you leave him on block. I love him.
Speaker 1: Brian says that I got a guy right. It's like
Speaker 1: you got to pass the teacher, get you riled. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's a good thing. If I'm ever
Speaker 1: telling you you're doing something right. According to Derek Eagleton,
Speaker 1: you know we will. Yeah, we will have two or
Speaker 1: three guys in this draft. I'm already aware of them.
Speaker 1: We're just gonna be like, no, you're wrong. You're like
Speaker 1: when you're wrong, and I have a super Bowl ring
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be like, dude. But it was a
Speaker 1: long time ago. It was a long time ago. Yet
Speaker 1: the ring is small now compared to what they do
Speaker 1: now at the Yeah, for a draft that's been so unpredictable,
Speaker 1: or at least it looks like it's gonna be unpredictable.
Speaker 1: We've agreed on a lot of these guys so far.
Speaker 1: We need to start. That's the way I think you
Speaker 1: get some more Jalen peatrees up in here. The earlier
Speaker 1: they're gonna be picked, the easier it is for everyone
Speaker 1: to agree. It's like, yeah, because that's why he's gonna
Speaker 1: get picked there because we all and then on the
Speaker 1: other guys, it's like, what do you see? So once
Speaker 1: we get outside of the top one hundred, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have some fun. I think even outside of the top
Speaker 1: thirty or forty. You know, you know it's funny that
Speaker 1: you say that because and you you brought up the
Speaker 1: name Maffe from Minna, Minnesota, and if you've seen people
Speaker 1: talk about him as a first round pick. I know
Speaker 1: I saw a third round a huge Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's funny because I reached out to Gang
Speaker 1: of Seven. Those are my guys that I always kind
Speaker 1: of bounced things off of, and I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: had this MOFFI in the third round, and to a man,
Speaker 1: they all went four four four. Him straddling those two rounds.
Speaker 1: Because I'm like that he's actual guy. I was like,
Speaker 1: I was amazed because I'm watching him rush against Petite
Speaker 1: Furry and those guys. He's having some success and I'm going, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's got some serious get off. I mean you
Speaker 1: look at him, true, you know, run the backs out
Speaker 1: and all that stuff like that, and you're watching him
Speaker 1: make plays. He's six four, he's two fifty eight, and
Speaker 1: every single one of these guys went four four four.
Speaker 1: It's like I was playing golf four four. You know
Speaker 1: that I kept him in the third. I think I
Speaker 1: think the kid can run. I don't know how you
Speaker 1: cannot have somebody that has that quick of a first
Speaker 1: step and chase the ball the way he does. I mean,
Speaker 1: Ohio State, you can product on the top hundred. We'll
Speaker 1: go on the topic I should. I'm gonna fit one
Speaker 1: more question in here before we take our second break.
Speaker 1: Magneto on Twitter says, how about a guy in the
Speaker 1: first seld rounds. It might be Magnetos, sir, it might
Speaker 1: be for x Men, it might be Magneto, m ag
Speaker 1: n Eto, that's Magneto. Okay, I'm sorry you have not
Speaker 1: watched X Men. Nope, not not a long time, my friend,
Speaker 1: young man. I'm sorry. Give me a guy in each
Speaker 1: of the first three rounds. So we'll just kind of
Speaker 1: lump that together. First one hundred picks that dan Quinn
Speaker 1: would fight for at e long arm fast dbs, undersized,
Speaker 1: speedy edge rushers, linebackers who are some dan Quinn guys
Speaker 1: that he could potentially be on the table four. I
Speaker 1: think we're gonna We're gonna do it next segment. But
Speaker 1: I don't care because that's fine, go for it. I
Speaker 1: watched it last night. Quaywalker is my top second round linebacker,
Speaker 1: got it. Georgia's other linebacker number seven, and dan Quinn
Speaker 1: will like because he is full size linebacker six three.
Speaker 1: I don't have to wait in for two forty. And
Speaker 1: he can run. He can't diagnose like Dean, but no
Speaker 1: one can. But he's generally in the right idea of
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He can run. He's a fluid athlete,
Speaker 1: so there's the ability to drop in coverage. And when
Speaker 1: he's rushing off the edge, you can see the length
Speaker 1: because he'll single arm, straight arm and offensive tackle. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And this is an off ball linebacker. So I think
Speaker 1: quay Walker is going to be one of those guys
Speaker 1: that was pretty good in college and might be better
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But he's my guy. He's my number.
Speaker 1: What are we picking up fifty six round? Quay Walker's
Speaker 1: my guy. If we can get him there I have
Speaker 1: a second round grade, early second round grade on him,
Speaker 1: but he's my third linebacker because there's that much of
Speaker 1: a drop off in terms of Dean Lloyd and then
Speaker 1: I've got Walker as my third guy. What did you
Speaker 1: think about him? I'll tell you what I mean me personally,
Speaker 1: I fight. Yeah. No, I was going to give you
Speaker 1: another name. I think Jeff's got the player. I think
Speaker 1: you guys got the player right. I was gonna give
Speaker 1: you Martin Emerson, the corner from Mississippi State, as a
Speaker 1: long guy. But I'll circle back here and talk about
Speaker 1: this outside linebacker since you guys are helping on doing that. Sure,
Speaker 1: let me get to my notes here if I real quick.
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Walker is he looks the
Speaker 1: part I kind of had him as an inside linebacker
Speaker 1: is what I had him as, and I like the way.
Speaker 1: I think he's much better when he can attack things
Speaker 1: downhill some of his best players, or when he just
Speaker 1: goes straight ahead and just burst through the gap. And
Speaker 1: I think the thing there's he could really cover some
Speaker 1: ground when he's when he goes into that attack mode,
Speaker 1: powerful tackler, he's got some shock and popped to his hands. Uh.
Speaker 1: They used him as a pass rusher, so I know
Speaker 1: that probably got Jeff's attention a little bit as a blitzer.
Speaker 1: But you know, when he you know, he tends to
Speaker 1: kind of use his strength more than technique when that's
Speaker 1: the case, but playing off blocks stuff like that. I
Speaker 1: think the instincts to read and react to the ball
Speaker 1: were good. But that rotating system though, you know, you
Speaker 1: kind of see him in and out of line. But man,
Speaker 1: he is a good looking guy on tape. I mean
Speaker 1: physically you look at six four two forty five. He
Speaker 1: clearly in a while he disappears and Channing tendles in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they all look they all But I yeah,
Speaker 1: I absolutely I believe I had him in the third round.
Speaker 1: Would you guys have him as two? I really like him.
Speaker 1: He'll be probably a top forty guy for me. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd probably say forty five fifty. I'm right there with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went third round with him. I actually had him
Speaker 1: over Tindale is what. I had him considerably ahead. Martin Emberson,
Speaker 1: you mentioned him out of Mississippi State. Yeah. I like
Speaker 1: Emerson a lot. You know, he's listened to his six
Speaker 1: one like two hundred and three pounds I think is
Speaker 1: what But you watch him play on tape, he is
Speaker 1: a really really long guy. He's a He starts as
Speaker 1: the left corner, and you know, you could play him outside,
Speaker 1: you could play him in the slot. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got that length in the burst. I mean for a guy,
Speaker 1: he's really looks really long and thin on tape. But
Speaker 1: I mean there were there were several times for LSU
Speaker 1: tried to run a slant on him and every single
Speaker 1: time he was there already make to play. I mean
Speaker 1: every single time they could not get a guy inside
Speaker 1: on him. And I think that's pretty impressive when you
Speaker 1: could cover those inside routes, the running, the movement for
Speaker 1: a tall guy, the flexibility of his game, it doesn't
Speaker 1: take much for him to turn and go. So I
Speaker 1: could see dan Quinn going down there to start field Mississippi,
Speaker 1: maybe working out of Martin Emerson, and you know, kind
Speaker 1: of looking at him as a potential third round guy.
Speaker 1: I like that because that's a new name that we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned on this show yet. But you look at
Speaker 1: and I haven't watched him yet, so take this with
Speaker 1: a grain of salt. But he had the third highest
Speaker 1: coverage grade in the SEC, according to PF. I mean,
Speaker 1: of course PF's not the Bible by any means of
Speaker 1: draft process. If he's there, I mean in terms of
Speaker 1: coverage and and of course the length and the speed
Speaker 1: and the way he's able to cover the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, that's something that I think, of course dan
Speaker 1: Quinn would certainly be excited about. All right, let's take
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in to the Draft Show. No David Helman
Speaker 1: this week. We'll be back from Indianapolis next week. A
Speaker 1: couple of shows from the combine. Jeff uh You think
Speaker 1: Brian brought us kind of more organized. Yeah, a little
Speaker 1: bit better run. It's okay, we're kidding Dave. Dave Helman
Speaker 1: is one of my best friends on planet Earth. Everyone
Speaker 1: who doesn't know, he's a sweet sweet man. Do you
Speaker 1: think Dave is sober right now? No, there's no, no,
Speaker 1: he said, Marty girl, he's he's sit down in Nola.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's Do you think he has do
Speaker 1: you every single bead? Yes? Do you think he'll be
Speaker 1: sober at any point in the next week? No? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna show up on Monday combine. He'll be at
Speaker 1: the combine. He'll be fine for that. We'll be fine
Speaker 1: for the parts of it where yeah, just don't stand
Speaker 1: next to him because yeah, he might he might have.
Speaker 1: I feel like that first day might be a little tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: on Dave, I told him I would bring him some sunglasses,
Speaker 1: I'd have a hangover beer ready for him. I'll give
Speaker 1: him him a Crisp Miller Lite ready to go. Then
Speaker 1: then we'll be good to go for the rest of
Speaker 1: the week. So it should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Of course, we'll be getting David Hellman back. And for
Speaker 1: those of you out here who have been asking and
Speaker 1: asking and asking Dame Brugler is going to be on
Speaker 1: the show next week. It was some shape fashion and
Speaker 1: for wo so it will be happening. I believe we
Speaker 1: may have Bucky Brooks on at a couple times as well,
Speaker 1: So that's cool too. Getting the game back together in
Speaker 1: Indie and then we'll of course be back with Brian
Speaker 1: and Jeff in a couple of weeks to get there.
Speaker 1: K Hill, Oh, you're gonna get on. He's gonna be
Speaker 1: out there. I don't know. I might see Edge working
Speaker 1: for the Falcons now. He might be going to pop
Speaker 1: him on creating his own draft show. I would love
Speaker 1: to do that. I've never met Eds, so I'd love
Speaker 1: to go up and introduce yourself. Came up with all this,
Speaker 1: no doubt. I've heard he's the founding father. He is
Speaker 1: the founding father. All right. I'm trying to get Ed
Speaker 1: on the Draft show on Draft day to last, like
Speaker 1: after the last pick. Oh okay, o good, Yeah, that'd
Speaker 1: be awesome. I like it. Uh okay, So do you
Speaker 1: know how to pronounce any of the X men? I
Speaker 1: do not want to test this as like when Magneto
Speaker 1: is fighting Wolverine and Sicklips rouge. I think I've kept
Speaker 1: that one beat. Yeah, I don't think so. Um, it
Speaker 1: just hurt me. It just made me feel so old,
Speaker 1: you know, you realize she would at least the X Men. Well,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a great X Man movie. Try doing
Speaker 1: radio with you five hours to day. There's never been
Speaker 1: a great X Men movie. But the comics in the
Speaker 1: old cartoon TV. Yeah, see, and I can't do that.
Speaker 1: Somebody had to take down the sentinels. They had to,
Speaker 1: That's true. Somebody had to do it. Pre combined rankings
Speaker 1: for a position of me trying to get a ton
Speaker 1: of names out there. We we've already gone through a
Speaker 1: little bit of interior offensive lines, so let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and skip over that just for time's sake. But Brian,
Speaker 1: give me your defensive tackle rankings at the moment, in
Speaker 1: terms of who you would like to see in order
Speaker 1: one through five or however many names you want to
Speaker 1: go deep, Well, you want ones or threes? Oh? I
Speaker 1: mean yeah Davis? Uh, My ones would be Davis from Georgia,
Speaker 1: Matthis from Alabama. Jones from Connecticut would be that side
Speaker 1: of it. Then, and then on the threes would be
Speaker 1: wyat Lyal Logan Hall, and then Winfrey and if I
Speaker 1: skipped down a little further than we start talking about Ridgeway, Ferrell,
Speaker 1: and Garrett would be my guys that I've kind of
Speaker 1: got down through the fourth round right now. And those
Speaker 1: are all one text, No, those are all those are
Speaker 1: those between that as of ones and threes is what
Speaker 1: those are? Okay? He named the first seven names that
Speaker 1: Brian said, and I think he has them all in
Speaker 1: the second round. I don't. I don't have any first round.
Speaker 1: Are the seven guys I have in the second round now?
Speaker 1: I have Logan Hall listed as an edge and I
Speaker 1: think he can do either. He could be an outside
Speaker 1: gag being inside guy. Travis Travis Jones for you as
Speaker 1: a second round player then right, absolutely, okay, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: So here's my order and I actually have them all together.
Speaker 1: Ones in threes. I went with Jordan Davis by a
Speaker 1: hair as my top defensive tackle. DeVante Wyatt, his teammate
Speaker 1: the three technique, is right behind him. Travis Jones is
Speaker 1: my third defensive tackle, the Yukon one technique. De Marvin Leale,
Speaker 1: Texas A and M is my fourth defensive tackle, followed
Speaker 1: by first names. Here's at perryon Matthis h perryon Winfrey.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry Matthiss, Perry on Winfrey in that
Speaker 1: order is how I have the Winfree six, Matthis five
Speaker 1: is I which yes, leals four, even though I think
Speaker 1: he's like the seventh or eighth best tape, but it's
Speaker 1: the freaking athlete. Should he be in the third round
Speaker 1: on tape, he's probably a third rounder. But that's the
Speaker 1: whole game, right, The whole game is balanced tape versus
Speaker 1: traits versus what can you be? And then we figure
Speaker 1: out where to pick him in. So second round I
Speaker 1: have Davis Mathis, Winfree, Leale, Wyatt Jones. Those are my
Speaker 1: top six guys in that order. So I mean this
Speaker 1: is second tackle. Yeah, I like um and I like
Speaker 1: I like DeVante Wyatt too. I put him right there,
Speaker 1: touching tags with to Marvin Leal because of it's almost opposite.
Speaker 1: I like math or I like Wyatt's tape more than Leale,
Speaker 1: but Leale has the traits whereas Wyatt. I'm not as
Speaker 1: impressed by the traits so little. I think White has
Speaker 1: the best defensive tackle first step in this class. I agree,
Speaker 1: so like he's not the overall athlete that Georgia trigger
Speaker 1: everybody quick. Yes, he's not the overall athlete that Leale is.
Speaker 1: I don't think, and hell maybe the combine will tell
Speaker 1: me I'm wrong about that. Well. I think he relies
Speaker 1: on his explosiveness a little bit too much, that first step,
Speaker 1: and sometimes it kind of gets him in trouble because
Speaker 1: he's not the strongest guy in the class, even though
Speaker 1: his size is there. I put a comparison justin mattabeke
Speaker 1: Is who he reminded me of who was the second
Speaker 1: round player. Yeah, this is Diviner Wyatt because he's not
Speaker 1: always doing the same thing Jordan Davis does where it's
Speaker 1: like playing square and trying to control And I'm like,
Speaker 1: maybe he is powerful enough to be a even a
Speaker 1: run stopping three while he's a penetrator. It just seems
Speaker 1: like on tape he's more the I'm exploding and let's
Speaker 1: see where I end up. That's where he plays the
Speaker 1: run because he's getting across the rom just slips through.
Speaker 1: He's like disruptive that way. That's why I think he
Speaker 1: could play the run. Yeah, let's go to cornerback. Who
Speaker 1: are your corners that you have looking out? And this
Speaker 1: could much like defensive tackle, get a little crazy in
Speaker 1: terms of the rankings that you've got there, Brian will
Speaker 1: start with you Gardner from Cincinnati, Stingley from LSU, mcduffee
Speaker 1: from Washington or all my first round guys. Okay, Carry
Speaker 1: from Auburn is my next guy. Elam from Florida than
Speaker 1: Booth from Clemson. In the second round, Elam, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Emerson from Mississippi State, Gordon from Washington, and Kendrick
Speaker 1: from Georgia would be my third round guys. And then
Speaker 1: you get down into the fourth round, guys like Britt
Speaker 1: Taylor from Nebraska, Woolen from San Antonio, and then Marcus Jones,
Speaker 1: the little short Daddy from Houston would be my guys.
Speaker 1: I've seen so fun Short Daddy, he seemed more. He's
Speaker 1: seen more corners than I have. But I've got Sauce
Speaker 1: and Stingley as my ones. McDuffie as my cheater Grade
Speaker 1: one two. Booth out of Clemson is the top of
Speaker 1: the second YEP. Then McCreary, then Elam at Florida, then
Speaker 1: Kyler Gordon. I have Washington's other corner as my cheater
Speaker 1: two three scouts. The scouts say that he's better than
Speaker 1: actually McDuffie and which I'm like, really, Kyl, he's a
Speaker 1: full sized corner that they say is going to test
Speaker 1: off the charts. Yeah, and like he's got he's got
Speaker 1: some good tape. Not as good as McDuffie mcduffy. Are
Speaker 1: both going to test really well next week, right? I
Speaker 1: think so? But Gordon I have his two three. And
Speaker 1: then I also watched Sauce Gardner's teammate Kobe Bryant him
Speaker 1: in the like him. Yeah, I've got him in the third,
Speaker 1: so I've got him a little higher. I liked him
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl a lot, one of those guys
Speaker 1: that was kind of overshadowed by Gardner. And I want
Speaker 1: to talk about Gardner here in a second as well.
Speaker 1: But Kobe Bryant one of those let me pull up
Speaker 1: the scout in report, but he's one of those big, long,
Speaker 1: real laws corner linky. He was a leader on the field.
Speaker 1: I asked a couple of his teammates, my J Sanders
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl. I asked him, I was like,
Speaker 1: who would be one guy on your team that people
Speaker 1: are overlooking? And he said Kobe Bryant. So that's coming
Speaker 1: from from him specifically, he was a Jim Thorpe Award winner.
Speaker 1: I mean, he got some recognition, but still overshadowed by
Speaker 1: a mod Sauce Gardner. And he's kind of risen in
Speaker 1: popularity lately because the stats have started to come out
Speaker 1: in the coverage grades and stuff like that did not
Speaker 1: allow a single touchdown his entire collegiate career. Why is
Speaker 1: he now being considered a potential top corner in this
Speaker 1: class because I don't think we've talked in depth about
Speaker 1: him on this show just yet. So Sauce is. I
Speaker 1: think Brian and I might have been talking about this
Speaker 1: with Dane on Wednesday. YouTube dot com slash Jeff Kevinaugh.
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is when teams are gonna talk about Derek
Speaker 1: Stingley have questions, right, ls use Derek Stingley is six
Speaker 1: foot give or take, super sticky, really good corner. Teams
Speaker 1: are gonna wonder what were you hurt? Hurt both times
Speaker 1: that you or were you did you lose? What is love? Football? Question? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardner is gonna measure at over six two. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he'll be six three because I've seen
Speaker 1: him training multiple times and he looks me about dead
Speaker 1: in the eye and I'm sixty three, okay, so he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a real life six three or a little
Speaker 1: bit less. And man, this dude wants to take your soul.
Speaker 1: He wants you to not want to run routes anymore.
Speaker 1: He is a press man corner that moves really well
Speaker 1: for that size, is super physical, wants to blow up
Speaker 1: the screen game. And I was told when he showed
Speaker 1: up to where he's doing his pre draft stuff at
Speaker 1: Exos that the cornerback room like it was a lot
Speaker 1: of humble, quiet learning sauce showed up and suddenly everybody
Speaker 1: was an alpha male. So like he is, he is
Speaker 1: going to rally bring you confidence. He is a really
Speaker 1: really good player that's going to bring it out of you. Two.
Speaker 1: I love that. I think this thing about Garner and
Speaker 1: the one thing I could say this game is not
Speaker 1: too big for him. He relishes the opportunity. I think
Speaker 1: Jeff nailed the player. I'll say this though, you talk
Speaker 1: about the alpha male, that's the question about Stingley, And
Speaker 1: if you talk to people who know the player very
Speaker 1: very well and you ask the questions about did you
Speaker 1: really quit on LSU? Was he legitimately injured giants should
Speaker 1: take both of them and maybe Sauce can bring it
Speaker 1: out of Stingley. Yeah, that's that's the plan. That's the play.
Speaker 1: There are people will say that if you expect Stingley
Speaker 1: to be the alpha male in this thing and to
Speaker 1: be the leader and all that stuff like that, he
Speaker 1: really needs a big brother. He needs like, for example,
Speaker 1: if the if the Vikings were to sign resigned Patrick
Speaker 1: Peterson and then and then somehow Gardner or Excumi that
Speaker 1: Stingley ends up at Minnesota, then you're going to have
Speaker 1: like that's the best case scenario right there. Not just
Speaker 1: because of the LSU guys, but but they say Stingley
Speaker 1: needs a big brother to kind of get him along
Speaker 1: because he's not going to be the guy that's going
Speaker 1: to stand up there. The learning curve as far as
Speaker 1: the leader and all that stuff is really really steep
Speaker 1: for him. Whereas you watch Gardner and like Jeff was
Speaker 1: talking about, he goes and works out with these other corners,
Speaker 1: the level of the room raises because he's the confident
Speaker 1: player and he's actually I think he's the best corner
Speaker 1: in the draft myself. Definitely gonna hear his name a
Speaker 1: little bit early on it. He's starting to get into
Speaker 1: that category of maybe not going to be there at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Ye he wasn't on the initial list that
Speaker 1: we talked about the other week. What he is now?
Speaker 1: He was? He was, Yeah, I'm sure we might have
Speaker 1: said ever a mod or gardener, but I bet we
Speaker 1: said sauce. That's probably what it was. One got it
Speaker 1: all right? That does it for us here on the
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Speaker 1: let's just so easy. Let's do it. Yeah, let's just
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Speaker 1: Scouting Combine. We'll be back with Brian and jeffed a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks from now. But that does it for us,
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