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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today, we are talking

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Speaker 1: again about these wind turbines that are going into the ocean.

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Speaker 1: I know we've been talking about what this means from

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Speaker 1: an esthetic viewpoint and what this means for the whales,

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Speaker 1: and I think that for all of you out here

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Speaker 1: who listen regularly. One of the reasons we got really

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Speaker 1: interested in this on the Tutor Dixon Podcast is because

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Speaker 1: we're seeing lawmakers in Michigan say they are changing local

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Speaker 1: control in our state, and so these wind turbines will

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Speaker 1: be able to go anywhere the government wants. So anywhere

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Speaker 1: the Capitol decides, Hey, we want to put this on

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Speaker 1: the farm next door, or we want to put these

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Speaker 1: windmills in Lake Michigan, or we want to put a

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Speaker 1: solar farm on the farm and next to where we're

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Speaker 1: getting our food. That can happen and your local community

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Speaker 1: can do nothing about it. Well, some of the local

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Speaker 1: folks came to us and said, we don't even really

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Speaker 1: know what this means. And so as we say started

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Speaker 1: digging into this, it's like, well, these solar farms, they

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Speaker 1: may not even be completely without leaching of chemicals into

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Speaker 1: the ground. And you know, you've got snow, you've got rain,

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Speaker 1: You've got all of this stuff, sun hitting and heating

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Speaker 1: that go into making these solar panels are dangerous. Well

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Speaker 1: then we said, well, what's going on with these wind turbines?

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Speaker 1: So we decided we would do some research. And it's

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Speaker 1: funny when you start to do research, you get connected

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Speaker 1: to some pretty awesome people that know a heck of

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Speaker 1: a lot more than you can find out in the

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Speaker 1: short period of time. And so we were introduced to

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Speaker 1: Megan lap She is the fisheries liaison for Sea Freeze.

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Speaker 1: It's a Rhode Island based commercial fishing company that owns

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Speaker 1: and operates five federally permitted commercial fishing vessels and two

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Speaker 1: shore side facilities. And when we were told you know,

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Speaker 1: Megan knows a lot about this, I found this really

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Speaker 1: interesting because I'm like, man, it goes beyond what has

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Speaker 1: happened to the marine life, what is happening to the

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Speaker 1: bats and the eagles on land? This could actually affect

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Speaker 1: our food supply. So, Megan, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: agreeing to join us today.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so you we were just talking before this you

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Speaker 1: said you've now learned more about energy production than you

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Speaker 1: ever thought. You would tell us a little bit though, first,

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Speaker 1: about why you started to talk about this from the

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Speaker 1: fishing commercial fishing standpoint, because it really does affect fishing, correct,

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Speaker 1: it does.

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Speaker 3: It's going to affect fishing in multiple ways, very very

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Speaker 3: scary ways.

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Speaker 2: So on the East Coast right now, there.

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Speaker 3: Is a conglomerate lease area that's the biggest lease area

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Speaker 3: in the world south of Rhode Island, at South Rhode

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Speaker 3: Island in Massachusetts. It's larger than the state of Rhode

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Speaker 3: Island itself. It's fourteen hundred square miles. They want to put, yeah,

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Speaker 3: they want to put a wind turbine that's you know,

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Speaker 3: between eight hundred and fifty and over one thousand feet

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Speaker 3: high every one mile apart in every direction. The blades

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Speaker 3: on these are longer than a football field. They're much

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Speaker 3: much bigger than the ones that are on land. And so,

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Speaker 3: and this is only one conglomerate lease area right now.

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Speaker 3: There's over two million acres of the East Coast least.

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Speaker 3: There's more leasing that's occurring there.

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Speaker 1: How much did you just say, it's.

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Speaker 3: Like two point three million acres right now? That's already leased,

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Speaker 3: a lot of it is approved, there's more getting leased,

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Speaker 3: more areas that are being identified for lease. Then you

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Speaker 3: have states like the state of New York saying, well,

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Speaker 3: giant area that's like from the coast to New Jersey

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Speaker 3: and so basically for commercial fishing. So I represent, like

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Speaker 3: you said, a commercial fishing company. I've been dealing with

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Speaker 3: the offshore wind for this company for about ten years now.

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Speaker 3: For us, one of the major issues is commercial fishing.

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Speaker 3: Like we're the seventh most regulated industry in the nation. Okay,

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Speaker 3: We're more regulated than oil and gas extraction, more regulated

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Speaker 3: not a big place for us. It's a very small place,

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Speaker 3: even though it looks big to most people. So as

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Speaker 3: they were all over our commercial fishing grounds and there

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Speaker 3: was no deconfliction upfront, right. And so my vessels are

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Speaker 3: traw vessels, which means that they send out quarter mile

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Speaker 2: So you can't toe that in a way, and so

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Speaker 1: Each because you can't get through, or because legally you can't,

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Speaker 3: Why operationally it's extremely, extremely dangerous. There's scour protection at

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Speaker 3: the base of each turbine, acres of rocks that they

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Speaker 3: the sand around it. You know, like when you stand

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Speaker 3: go in and out, it like digs a hole behind

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Speaker 3: your foot. Yeah, that's what happens to a turbine.

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Speaker 1: So just like our piers have big rocks built around

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Speaker 3: This is so this is what this is what goes

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Speaker 3: around the bottoms of the turbines, and so that will

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Speaker 3: look to Europe where they have these things, you know,

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Speaker 3: infrastructure because if a traller snags on a subsea cable

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Speaker 3: of life. So that means this is not safe. Nobody's

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Speaker 3: it's not economically viable to do this in a wind farm,

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Speaker 3: and it's also not safe.

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Speaker 1: How much does this affect our supply of fish.

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Speaker 3: It's going to affect it tremendously if all of the

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Speaker 3: now and as they're planning in the future, like you

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Speaker 3: look at if they're successful, if the federal government, the

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Speaker 2: We're the oldest.

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Speaker 3: Industry in America and we are now looking at complete

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Speaker 3: annihilation from our federal government. Who is the only reason

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Speaker 3: that these wind farms are are financially viable is because

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Speaker 3: they get a thirty percent investible tax credit upfront.

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Speaker 2: So if your wind.

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Speaker 3: Farm costs three billion dollars to build, because these are

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Speaker 3: as an investible tax credit from the United States government.

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Speaker 2: And that's the only reason that they do this.

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Speaker 3: So the companies that are receiving these in certain cases

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Speaker 2: Okay, not just foreign companies foreign governments.

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Speaker 3: So you have Orstead, which is majority owned by the

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Speaker 3: Danish government, so they're going to get investible tax credits

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Speaker 3: And then you have equinor which is like sixty seven

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Speaker 3: So the other thing that makes it not feasible for

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Speaker 3: us to go in there is like our boats work

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Speaker 3: You know, the Northeast is not exactly a hospitable climate.

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Speaker 3: The North Atlantic is not a hospitable climate, right, And

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Speaker 3: you name it, you need radar that works because radar

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Speaker 3: of radar, but including marine radar. So going even transitting

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Speaker 4: To be safe.

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Speaker 1: Now, what about airplanes, I mean, how do you even

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Speaker 1: if you if you have radar issues, aren't you talking?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is affecting the marine life this has

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Speaker 3: Oh, absolutely, So air terminal radar is impacted if there's

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's pretend nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Scenario, right if the train, if the plane's transponder is

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Speaker 3: On air traffic control radar surveillance radar, we have long

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Speaker 3: the perimeter of the nation called ARSR four radars.

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Speaker 2: I have a letter.

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Speaker 3: That was a response to a congressional inquiry that says

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Speaker 3: but we haven't fixed it.

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Speaker 2: So there's no solution to this. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So we have foreign countries purchasing space on our border,

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Speaker 1: which is our ocean. That then effects radar to the

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Speaker 3: And the country Japan has actually been currently they've been

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Speaker 3: interferes with their air defense radar and it's a problem.

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Speaker 3: And the UK, which has wind farms, has had a

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Speaker 3: and like I'm going to say twenty nine, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 3: somewhere around in there, they thought that they had a solution.

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Speaker 3: They thought that they had like some magical radar that

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Speaker 3: So what they said was, okay, if you are a

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Speaker 3: of one of our air defense radars, you have to

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Speaker 3: the effects are mitigated.

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Speaker 2: So they go ahead and they build a wind farm.

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Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen, after its built, the UK Ministry Defense

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Speaker 3: but it was too late, like the wind farms in.

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Speaker 2: Too bad oop. See.

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Speaker 4: So now the the UK Ministry of Defense, yes, the

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Speaker 3: like you said, the whole whale issue has started to

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Speaker 3: open up people's mind to the impact.

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Speaker 2: Of this stuff on marine life.

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Speaker 3: Like two of the permitted projects off the coast of

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Speaker 3: Rhode Island, National Marine Fishery Service actually said in consultation

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Speaker 3: documents with other federal agencies, this project is expected to

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Speaker 3: have population level impacts on Atlantic cod.

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Speaker 1: But see, it's out of sight, out of mind until

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Speaker 1: the whales thing happened.

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Speaker 3: Till the whales thing happened. And you know what, It's

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Speaker 3: funny because people have asked me about the whales thing

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Speaker 3: like this for a long time, and I've said, look,

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Speaker 3: here's the science, okay, because people are like, no, it's misinformation.

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Speaker 3: The Department of Energy has a website it says misinformation

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Speaker 3: about whales, right, So okay, whatever. Here's what Noah's permits say.

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Speaker 2: They expect that.

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Speaker 3: The wind farm surveys will temporarily deafen whales. They expect

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Speaker 3: that wind farm construction will permanently deafen whales.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 3: And when you start doing that, like the New York

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Speaker 3: shipping lanes, and then a bunch of whales wash up,

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Speaker 3: kind of like, oh, a deaf whale is a dead whale.

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Speaker 3: That's a phrase that has been coined for years, so

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of like, but now there's no correlation. And

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Speaker 3: then my favorite part is that they said, well, but

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Speaker 3: we don't have any information on how much sound deafens

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Speaker 3: Baileen whales, which are humpback whales, miney whales, fin whales,

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Speaker 3: say whales, North Atlantic right, miss they're all the whales

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Speaker 3: that you're washing up.

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Speaker 2: Most of them are humpbacks.

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Speaker 3: And it's like, so, but the kind of whales that

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Speaker 3: are all dying are the ones that you say you

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Speaker 3: expect to be deafened, but you really don't know how

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Speaker 3: much sound actually deafens them. But there's definitely no correlation none,

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Speaker 3: you know, And I'm like, that's not rational.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on

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Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. First of all, this is not

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Speaker 1: replacing fossil fuels. Let's be honest about this. This is

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Speaker 1: not replacing it. It's not reliable. Everybody knows it's not

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Speaker 1: reliable for the same reasons you just said. The wind

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Speaker 1: doesn't blow, the turbines don't move, you have a lubrication problem,

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Speaker 1: You've got suddenly a turbine leaking. This is not reliable energy.

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Speaker 1: It's not just in time. Energy. It's energy that has

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Speaker 1: to relies on all kinds of outside environmental factors to

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Speaker 1: actually become energy, And that in and of itself is

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Speaker 1: ridiculous to think that we would put our entire ocean

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Speaker 1: in danger because we might get energy on a good day.

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Speaker 1: But besides that, I want to point out that you've

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Speaker 1: got China that is building coal powered plant after coal

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Speaker 1: powered plant. I mean, we literally, my seventh grader just

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Speaker 1: studied this in social studies. Why is there so much

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Speaker 1: pollution in China? What is the highest death rate? It's

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Speaker 1: from heart disease and pulmonary disease, respiratory diseases because of

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Speaker 1: the fact that they run so much pollution through their cities.

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Speaker 1: But they are running everything on coal, so they will

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Speaker 1: be the only source of seafood. So suddenly off the

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Speaker 1: coast of China where we know they are just dumping

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Speaker 1: all of their crap in the ocean, they don't care.

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Speaker 1: They won't sign any type of climate accord. They're like,

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Speaker 1: give me a break. They give the United States and

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Speaker 1: every other country the middle finger, Like dude, We're just

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Speaker 1: going to keep running. We're going to run as hard

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Speaker 1: as we can. We're going to get as much energy

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Speaker 1: as we can from coal. We're not going to try

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Speaker 1: to do anything environmentally friendly. So now people are people

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Speaker 1: aware that they're going to be getting fish that have

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Speaker 1: been sucking on all kinds of pollution.

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Speaker 3: Give me a break, well, And you know, I think

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Speaker 3: that this is a really important point to raise, is

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Speaker 3: you know, the idea even of national food security. You know,

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Speaker 3: I tell people during COVID, when nobody could get protein

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Speaker 3: on their shelves, I saw lines of cars and people

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Speaker 3: down here in this fishing port lined up at the

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Speaker 3: blobster boat docks to buy lobsters, and lined up at

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Speaker 3: the fish market places to buy fish because we had food.

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Speaker 3: And when people couldn't get food, they came here because

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Speaker 3: they know we've produced food. And so I tell people

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Speaker 3: all the time, I'm like, you know, ten years ago,

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Speaker 3: if somebody had said, hey, the whole world is going

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Speaker 3: to go on lockdown because of this pandemic, people would

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Speaker 3: have said you were out of your mind, right, So

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Speaker 3: I say this all the time. What if COVID had

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Speaker 3: been food born? What if this country had to shut

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Speaker 3: all its borders to food imports?

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Speaker 2: Could we feed ourselves?

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Speaker 3: And if we could, how are you going to get

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Speaker 3: it to everybody, right, and just think about that, because

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Speaker 3: think of what happened during COVID. Now, there were still

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Speaker 3: shipments going on at that time. Food production was not

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Speaker 3: shut down. We operated all through COVID because we're an

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Speaker 3: essential industry, we're food production. But just imagine if it

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Speaker 3: was the borders are closed to all food imports.

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Speaker 2: What would this country do?

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you, I say it, you know to

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Speaker 3: every person that I know is like running for election

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Speaker 3: or you know, Look, we need a food security bill

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Speaker 3: in this country. We need to protect our oceans, we

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Speaker 3: need to protect our farms, especially small ones, and we

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Speaker 3: need to protect all of our local food production because

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Speaker 3: if we don't, someday there's going to be something that

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Speaker 3: nobody ever could have seen coming.

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Speaker 2: And where are we going to be?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but this is okay? So why why is it

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Speaker 1: that we don't hear this? And I really believe that

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Speaker 1: it is because, I mean, you talked about the amount

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Speaker 1: of money that it costs to put one of these

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Speaker 1: in and yet how much comes from the government. I mean, Michigan,

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Speaker 1: we see the same thing with electric vehicles. It's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: don't buy a gas powered vehicle. You can get all

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Speaker 1: of this government money to buy a vehicle that's ten

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Speaker 1: times the cost that's not going to run in the winter.

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Speaker 1: You know, give me a break. None of this makes sense,

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Speaker 1: But the money is so big that nobody's willing to

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Speaker 1: come out and talk about the negative effects. I mean,

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Speaker 1: all of these industries, the industries that are the most

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Speaker 1: powerful are the ones that are supported by government. They

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Speaker 1: also support elected officials, They support people to get elected,

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Speaker 1: and once they take that money, they will not work

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Speaker 1: to say this is bad. Whether it's the pharmaceutical industry

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Speaker 1: or the climate industry. And right now looking at this

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Speaker 1: climate industry, the thing that bothers me about this is

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Speaker 1: this is not a solution. And I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any reason to not be honest about that that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'd like to have alternatives for energy. There's nobody saying no,

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Speaker 1: there can't be alternatives for energy. The problem is when

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Speaker 1: the alternative actually hurts the environment more, and that is

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Speaker 1: people and animals. You have got to be honest. But

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Speaker 1: why can't you be honest.

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Speaker 3: Right Well, like you said, it's because politicians are bought,

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Speaker 3: you know, organizations are bought, and the only people speaking

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Speaker 3: out what the truth is are you know, the impacted entities.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm so grateful for the opportunity to

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Speaker 3: be on this podcast because this is an opportunity for

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Speaker 3: truth to get out there. You know. But like just

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Speaker 3: the media in general has been just totally captured by

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Speaker 3: renewable energy. You know, like there's no facts out there.

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Speaker 3: You start putting facts out there, now you're a spreader

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Speaker 3: of misinformation. And I think, you know, there's there is

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Speaker 3: a lack of you know, factual data available to people,

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Speaker 3: you know that's easy to get, you know, so they

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Speaker 3: see a lot of a lot of rhetoric. And I think,

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Speaker 3: like you said, though, you know, most people who can

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Speaker 3: kind of just follow the money trail in a very

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Speaker 3: basic way.

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Speaker 2: It's going on well.

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Speaker 1: And I think that there's also this like like kind

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Speaker 1: of nostalgic feel about a windmill, like, oh, it's just

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Speaker 1: using the air. It's totally safe. This is so innocent

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Speaker 1: that air is somehow forcing power, And they really haven't

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Speaker 1: thought about the fact that this is truly a power plant.

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Speaker 1: And you are talking about high voltage power going through

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Speaker 1: all these lines. I mean we're talking two point three

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Speaker 1: million miles. I mean, you make a great point when

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Speaker 1: you say this is going to be our Our entire

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Speaker 1: ocean will be just a source of a big power plant.

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Speaker 1: And the thing is, it's crazy because it's not hydroelectric power.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the movement of the waves. You are

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Speaker 1: creating a new power entity out there. You are driving

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Speaker 1: this into the ocean floor. You are, I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is murdering the animals out there. And it's so bizarre

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Speaker 1: to me because anybody who is on the side of

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Speaker 1: taking care of the environment would hear the truth about

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Speaker 1: this and say, what, wait a minute, We're not going

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Speaker 1: to do that. I mean outside of like even if

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Speaker 1: you can't get with the whole food security, national security,

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Speaker 1: if you don't understand those things or that seems like

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Speaker 1: a distant concern, just the idea of changing these these

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Speaker 1: the sea life out there and killing the sea life

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Speaker 1: out there. Why don't you have what where are all

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Speaker 1: the people that used to go throw red paint on

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Speaker 1: fur codes, like, why aren't they out there on the

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Speaker 1: edge of the ocean saying stop this right right?

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Speaker 3: And you know what's very interesting as i've you know,

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Speaker 3: come to know people who are fighting for the ocean

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Speaker 3: in this respect, it's amazing the diversity of political backgrounds

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Speaker 3: of people that I've met, I will say that as

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Speaker 3: soon as you will never find a person who you

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Speaker 3: who supported wind at one time and then found out

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Speaker 3: the facts, who ever went back to supporting.

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Speaker 2: Wind, they always go then they don't support it.

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Speaker 3: And so, you know, I talk with people who you know,

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Speaker 3: are from conservative backgrounds, who are from progressive backgrounds, who

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Speaker 3: are from all like areas of the political spectrum, who

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Speaker 3: once they found out about what the facts were, they.

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Speaker 2: Were like no, no, no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 3: And that I think that that speaks volumes because it's

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Speaker 3: not a part is an issue.

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Speaker 2: People will try to.

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Speaker 3: Make it seem like it is, but it's kind of

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Speaker 3: like you said, like it's common sense facts. Like once

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Speaker 3: you find out what the actual facts are, people are like,

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Speaker 3: no way, I can't support that.

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Speaker 1: That's what That's what piqued my interest, And honestly, had

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Speaker 1: I not run for office, I would have never explored

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Speaker 1: it or understood it because from like I said, from

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Speaker 1: the standpoint of having farmers come to me and saying, man,

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Speaker 1: these companies are coming in and they're you know, they're

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Speaker 1: going to these mom and pop farms, and you know,

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Speaker 1: these folks are retiring, they want to pass it on

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Speaker 1: to their kids. They've got this big company come in

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Speaker 1: and offer them more money than they would ever get

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Speaker 1: to run the farm. Money, more money than they get

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Speaker 1: to run the farm for thirty years, you know, and

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Speaker 1: then they sell their farm the neighboring farm. There's so

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Speaker 1: many complications that come along with this, because it's not

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Speaker 1: just that now that farm is covered in windmills, it changes.

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Speaker 1: It's another vibration issue for the animal on the farm

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Speaker 1: next door. It's killing the bats, like I said, the eagles.

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Speaker 1: You've got animals, rodents running wild in the fields. But

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Speaker 1: also our farms are interconnected, and so the neighboring farm

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Speaker 1: is renting, like everybody's leasing the same equipment, right, So

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Speaker 1: we have these companies that come in and they come

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Speaker 1: around with the equipment, and everybody harvests around the same time.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly you don't have that co op anymore. Again, another

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Speaker 1: disaster that is hurting our food supply. And so as

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Speaker 1: I was hearing this and people are like, actually, these windmills,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of a disaster for us. Then we suddenly,

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Speaker 1: just in the last few months, see the Michigan legislature

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Speaker 1: take away local controls. So now that local farmer can't

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Speaker 1: even go to his community and say, hey, we can't

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Speaker 1: accept this company coming in and taking over our farm land.

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Speaker 1: And again a lot of times it's a foreign company.

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Speaker 1: And then you have so people. I think it's funny

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Speaker 1: because in Michigan people are like, oh, this is just

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Speaker 1: the rich people with the view of the who don't

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Speaker 1: want these windmills there. That is not I mean, sure

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Speaker 1: there's probably some of those people too, That is not

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. And I think that is a

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Speaker 1: way of deflecting the truth here. And when we talk

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Speaker 1: about sure, when we talk about misinformation, I mean, why

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Speaker 1: can't we get facts out there? But to your point,

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Speaker 1: that was what led me to go, Man, I really

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Speaker 1: want to dig into this. And then as I started

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Speaker 1: seeing this stuff with the whales, I'm like, gosh, maybe

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Speaker 1: it's outside of just Michigan. Maybe it's outside of just land.

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Speaker 1: Maybe these things are genuinely a problem. And having this

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Speaker 1: massive power plant that sits out in a field or

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Speaker 1: sits out in the ocean and it just has all

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Speaker 1: this energy coursing through these lines, maybe this is not

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Speaker 1: exactly the best solution. And so I just want to

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Speaker 1: tell you I appreciate what you do and thank you

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Speaker 1: for sharing these facts with us, because I just don't

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Speaker 1: think there's many people telling the truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no there's not, and I appreciate the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: be on. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Megan Lap, you are awesome. Keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you likewise, and thank you all for joining us

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