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Speaker 1: up down Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and notes from the guys who cover the teams. Rilled

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Speaker 1: by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on, Bring

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Speaker 1: it on. Slammed the ground by Fota Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. I scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvc. All right, so we're setting up the

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Speaker 1: week seventeen pregame show. Darren Urban, you were there. You

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Speaker 1: probably weren't paying attention. You were in that booth. By

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Speaker 1: the way, it was a maiden voyage in that visitor's

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Speaker 1: radio booth at SOFI stadium. Very futuristic, Kyle, and yours truly,

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Speaker 1: I try to raise my game. Paul pencil Neck year

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Speaker 1: on Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific Office Automation

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Speaker 1: prop partner of the Arizona Cardinals, And in my intro,

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Speaker 1: I like in the fact that there were eleven teams

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Speaker 1: left for seven playoff spots going into the final weekend

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Speaker 1: of play and I said, it's sort of like in

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Speaker 1: honor of La, eleven teams, eleven vehicles trying to merge

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Speaker 1: into seven playoff lanes. It turns out the Cardinals had

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Speaker 1: their blinker on and they were trying to merge into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And just like it's La in the four

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Speaker 1: oh five, nobody's stink and let them in and they

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Speaker 1: got cut off. And but here we are out of

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. What do you guys think about that? Is

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Speaker 1: that an apt analogy or what? Well? It might be

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Speaker 1: app But the problem is when you start talking about

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Speaker 1: have to be super aggressive as a driver and make

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Speaker 1: sure you force your way in. And clearly that's not

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Speaker 1: what the Cardinals did. By the way, Paul, did you

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Speaker 1: ever get the window open in the booth. Never never,

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Speaker 1: And that wasn't a fluke. That wasn't a mental error

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Speaker 1: on the staff at Sofi Stadium, because everybody was on

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Speaker 1: top of it. Somebody decided they did not want to

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Speaker 1: remove the windows there in the visitors radio booth. That

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Speaker 1: was by design. There's no doubt about that. I didn't

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Speaker 1: not know that. Yeah, you're right, Darren. There are two

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Speaker 1: kinds of people in this world. Those who will let

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Speaker 1: hit ahead of the person merging icyle. Which one of

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Speaker 1: those are you? I think I'm very fair when it

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Speaker 1: comes to that situation. If somebody's in front of me,

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Speaker 1: have that spot, but I don't gun it. But hey,

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Speaker 1: if I'm ahead of you, I'm not gonna like move

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Speaker 1: By the way, the freeways were completely empty. My analogy

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Speaker 1: avoiding the elephant in the room. The Cardinals finished by

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Speaker 1: losing five of the last seven. The emotions, all, the

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Speaker 1: why I thought that that Struggler wasn't going to play

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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was healthy when that game started. Nothing was

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Speaker 1: With that being said, you were already without Christian Kirk

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Speaker 1: need more playmakers. They need more playmakers besides DeAndre Hopkins.

431
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Speaker 1: At this point, I think they're gonna have to look

432
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 1: long and hard about you know who they have, you

433
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: know is do you feel like Kenyan Drake's the guy

434
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: to bring back or do you go in a different

435
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,400
Speaker 1: direction to para Chase Edmonds. Uh, they got to find

436
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: somebody besides Hopkins. We don't know what's gonna happen with Fits.

437
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 1: But you know, Christian Kirks popped up a couple of times,

438
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,600
Speaker 1: but it was not a great ending to the season

439
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:30,399
Speaker 1: for him. He had a couple of key drops and

440
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: key situations for touchdowns and then you know, ends up

441
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Speaker 1: with COVID. And obviously it's not his fault that he

442
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: had COVID, but you know, you really could have used

443
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: him in that last game and clearly two years in,

444
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how many more chances,

445
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: if any, Andy Isabella has at this point, which you know,

446
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: that's rough. This is just a thumbnail assessment. And at

447
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 1: the moment I start down this route road, I'm acknowledge

448
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: I'm over my skis. There's no doubt about it. When

449
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking next as and as I'm just saying this

450
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 1: is just more of a the eye test, the smell

451
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: test of will if you guys, for example, the Rams

452
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,679
Speaker 1: game mostly and that's most indebly burned in our memory

453
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: as of late, So I'll start with that. Kyler comes

454
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,880
Speaker 1: back in early fourth quarter and there was a play

455
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,640
Speaker 1: to Kennyan Drake and they picked up a first down,

456
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: and then there was a run to Kenyan Drake he

457
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 1: lost for and then they started throwing downfield. They started

458
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: going downfield, and there was a chunk throw to Shorefield.

459
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: There was a chunk throw to Dan Arnold and Kyler

460
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,439
Speaker 1: seeing the field, he's having time to throw, looks like

461
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: he's going through his reads and his progressions. And then

462
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: they started going laterally again. It just seemed like when

463
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: the offense, and this is my assessment Monday morning quarterback,

464
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: when they try to go laterally, which to me is

465
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,639
Speaker 1: the one area where you can bring up the words

466
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: air raid. Otherwise it has no application to this offense

467
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL except when you see the wide receiver screens,

468
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: except when you see some of the toss plays. And

469
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: whether it's a running backs fault or it's by design

470
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: they're going laterally instead of going north south, that's when

471
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: that drives stalled. And whether it was Carolina where you

472
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,679
Speaker 1: thought and and hope maybe the Cardinals had learned their

473
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,120
Speaker 1: less on offense a lot of that those plays were

474
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Speaker 1: going laterally instead of vertically. It just seemed like whenever

475
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were able to go vertical and had that

476
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: intent to go vertical, they were much more effective and

477
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 1: much more likely to get a four hundred yard game

478
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: total offense. Yeah, I think that's that's the key in

479
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,199
Speaker 1: the NFL is that intermediate and deep passing game. And

480
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can rip off a twenty or

481
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Speaker 1: twenty five yard chunk, how much better of a success

482
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Speaker 1: will that drive be because of that, instead of doing

483
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: five yard bubble screen, three yard run, a lot of

484
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Speaker 1: third and two, third and three. It's I mean, you look,

485
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 1: you think it's a decent position to be in, but

486
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 1: third down is never good because you're one down away

487
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Speaker 1: from potentially having to punt. So I think I think

488
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Speaker 1: you're right. I think Cliff Kingsbury stopped doing much wide

489
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: receiver screens as the year went on. And I mean,

490
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Speaker 1: I think in college it's a situation where you can

491
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: get five, six, seven yards pretty easily on this horizontal stuff.

492
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, man, these defenses are fast, these

493
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: linebackers can cover, and it's sometimes a little bit different,

494
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Speaker 1: So I think I think that's definitely the next step

495
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: and the evolution of the offense is to get that

496
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Speaker 1: intermediate passing game going. Kyler Murray's passer rating on intermediate

497
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: passes heading into week seventeen was I think seventy two

498
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,479
Speaker 1: point five according to next Gen Stats, and obviously that's

499
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: not going to hack it. So I think that's the

500
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 1: big thing to me is what to watch. And I

501
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: agree with Darren, like you need that number two receiver

502
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 1: next to DeAndre Hopkins next season, and maybe Christian Kirk

503
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: is better served as a slot receiver because of his height.

504
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: We'll see how it kind of lines up. But I

505
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 1: do feel like you need one more guy, and you

506
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: do need some semblance of that intermediate game. What else,

507
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: anything else in your shopping list on offense or anything

508
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: else it needs needs to be addressed fixed remedy going

509
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: into next year. That really sticks out to you, Um,

510
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: not necessarily anything in particular, although again when you start

511
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 1: talking about all these free agents and what happens, and

512
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll address all that in particular in future podcast,

513
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: but I mean there's so many guys. I mean, tight

514
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: end is a great example. The only tight end under

515
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: contract next year is Max Williams. All the other guys

516
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: are going to be free agents. So what do you

517
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: want to do there? How does that? How do you

518
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: want to go in that direction where I think you

519
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: had some things work there when those guys weren't hurt.

520
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, Dan Arnold, I thought had some moments.

521
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: Obviously he had the one really rough game that that

522
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: hurt them. But I think that's a good question and

523
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: the big thing for me offensively besides that, maybe that

524
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: number two receiver is going to be what they decided

525
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: to do with Kenyan Drake, what his market might be.

526
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Speaker 1: Do you want to bring him back? Anyways? Do you

527
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: try and get a bigger back to pair with Chase Segments?

528
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: Maybe give Chase Edmonds a little bit more work and

529
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: then have much more of a of a of a

530
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: tandem kind of work. I'm very curious, and some of

531
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: this guys might come down to the self scout of

532
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury and the offensive coaches and are how much

533
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: are we going to tweak this offense? Are we going

534
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:21,959
Speaker 1: to tweak this offense? I mean, obviously there's a lot

535
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: of people the armshare quarterbacks who feel very strongly about

536
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: that right now. But you know, do do the Cardinals

537
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: do that? Does Cliff Kingsbury go back and do his

538
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: man cave and change some things up, And if so,

539
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: could that impact what personnel you might see on the

540
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: other side. I mean, it does appear that defense is

541
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 1: adjusted midway through this year, and then it became adjust

542
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: to the adjustment, and as the two and five finished

543
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: with a test, too often the Cardinals are not successful

544
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: and in being able to adjust according to the defense.

545
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: You know, Darren mentioned, you know how few points the

546
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 1: Cardinals gave up at times and yet still didn't win

547
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: the game. Yet in the Rams game, for example, in

548
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: Week seventeen, the Rams dominated time of possession. The Cardinals

549
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: number of possessions were few and far between because the

550
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: defense couldn't get off the field. Now they were they

551
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: bowed up in the red zone, and they were great

552
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,360
Speaker 1: in the red zone. But the Rams after that first

553
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: turnover by John Woolford were pretty effective in moving the

554
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: football and obviously that factored into their ability to win

555
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 1: the game and pull out in eighteen seven ugly slugfest

556
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: if you will, Yeah, I mean, I think the defense

557
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: certainly didn't play fantastic but when you give up nine

558
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: points on that side of the ball, I think that's

559
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: clearly good enough to win the game. I put the

560
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: vast majority of the onus on the offense from that game,

561
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: and I just go back to expectations for the deep

562
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: defense compared to the offense. The fact that the Cardinals

563
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: defense finished number ten in efficiency according to football Outsiders,

564
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to me, surpassed expectations, especially when you consider Chandler Jones

565
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: was lost for the season in Week five and you

566
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: lost a lot of defensive linemen late in the season.

567
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean, were you were really fitting guys in and

568
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: getting great seasons out of guys that you weren't necessarily expecting.

569
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: And I think Vans Joseph deserves credit for putting Hassan

570
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: Reddick on the edge and seeing if that would work.

571
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: They could have tried to trade Hassan Reddick in the

572
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: off season or kept him an inside linebacker, and they

573
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: made that conscious decision and it worked out fantastically. So

574
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: I get Vans Joseph a lot of credit. I thought

575
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: the blitz packages he did were very good. I thought

576
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: his scheme was good. The offense, to me, needed to

577
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: do more, and I thought there were definitely games when

578
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: the defense didn't play well enough and against some star

579
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks they showed that they're not quite at that elite level.

580
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: But overall I was I was very happy with what

581
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the defense did this season. I would agree with that,

582
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: I think ultimately, again going back to it, it's like,

583
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: what were your expectations? What bar were you're setting? I

584
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: was not looking for the two thousand rams out of

585
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: this group, and then when Robert Alford got hurt, you know,

586
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden more questions there, and

587
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, Chandler Jones getting hurt. I mean the fact

588
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: that in a nutshell the whole pass rush thing, whether

589
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: it was Hassan Reddick coming out of nowhere or Dennis

590
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: Gardick coming out of nowhere, that they were able to

591
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 1: be a top ten sacking team this season when Chandler

592
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: Jones was hurt for most of it and only had

593
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: one sack, is mind blowing to me. If you would

594
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Speaker 1: have told me that before the season that Chandler Jones

595
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: would have played in whatever it was, four or five

596
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: games and got in one sack, I would have been like,

597
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: this team is never ever getting to the quarterback ever.

598
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: And yet they were able to and in a lot

599
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: of different ways, and it was more by committee, but hey,

600
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: ultimately that's okay. Andsan Reddick was great and now we

601
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: have to see again, are you able to bring him back?

602
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: I think they would like to after everything that he

603
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: and them have been through together. You would hope that

604
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: now that he's just figuring it out, that he wouldn't

605
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: be leaving. But at the same time, I think he's

606
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: going to have a pretty healthy market. I'd have to look,

607
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't be shocked if he's the best pass

608
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: rushing on the market this year as he poised to

609
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: get like Olivier Vernon money. Remember that offseason where Olivier

610
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: Vernon at a career year and got paid like he was.

611
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: Deacon Jones. You know who's the person always throws out

612
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: Deacon Jones as the cops so dated, there's there's a

613
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: national announcer. It's always always kills me, always kills me.

614
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: The Deacon Jones even precedes my time, which is saying something.

615
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna throw out about the defense because

616
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: I am on board with you guys for the most part,

617
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna throw this out there and I want

618
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: your opinion, and I know you will. Here we go.

619
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Speaker 1: For everything they did well, it was the division games

620
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: that concern me. It was against the forty nine ers,

621
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: not fitting the run in Week sixteen and giving up

622
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty seven yards rushing a buck eighty

623
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: three to a third string running back that seemingly hit

624
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: second level untouched repeatedly. It was the rematch against the

625
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: Seahawks when they had one hundred and sixty five yards rushing,

626
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: when Russell Wilson went twenty three or twenty eight for

627
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: a buck ninety seven, two touchdowns, really efficient, no turnovers.

628
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: It was this last game against the Rams where they

629
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: were able to mount long drives and hit you for

630
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: a number of I'm not gonna chunk throws, but effective

631
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: throws on second, along third and long with John Woolford

632
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: as the quarterback. I guess what I'm saying it was.

633
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: It was what gives me pause about the Cardinals defense

634
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: was how do they perform in the division games, the

635
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: all important division games, where it just seems like the

636
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals are a step behind when it comes to scheme

637
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. At times when you're

638
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: going against the likes of Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanahan, and

639
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, whether it's Pete Carroll's defense, Robert Sala's defense,

640
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley the defensive coordinator, both sides of the ball.

641
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: I just thought at times those were keys in those games,

642
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: and too often then not Cardinals are on the short

643
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: end of that. You know. It's it's interesting that my

644
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: first thought, especially with the first things, have been losing

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Speaker 1: on the running game. I mean, my first thought is, again,

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Speaker 1: this team for two years in a row has not

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Speaker 1: had the defensive lion and expected to. I mean, their

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Speaker 1: best too. Defensive lineman missed a good chunk of the season.

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Speaker 1: The guy that they signed to completely fortify the thing,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Phillips, barely played. Now you could argue about where

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Speaker 1: he was even when he was in there, but still

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Speaker 1: it's you got to have some health there. But that

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Speaker 1: being said, you're right and they're going to have to

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Speaker 1: find a way to make some of these things work. Again.

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Speaker 1: That last Rams game, I understand that, the Wolford stuff,

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Speaker 1: but it just I have a tough time, like Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I have a tough time getting past the fact that,

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Speaker 1: you know, they only gave up nine points when they

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Speaker 1: were on the field, and you could argue the Rams

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Speaker 1: did well enough to hold the ball. You can argue

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Speaker 1: the Rams turn the ball over at the two or

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Speaker 1: the one, and they were about to score and that

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Speaker 1: was just luck. But I mean, if if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: sit there and say, well, that was luck that you

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Speaker 1: didn't stop them from scoring, then then you have to

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Speaker 1: basically take away the hail Murray and a win because

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00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: that was luck too. But it's talents and if they

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Speaker 1: don't get in the end zone, it doesn't matter where

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Speaker 1: you stop them, you stop them. So I guess to

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Speaker 1: put in another way, guys, is it seems like the

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Speaker 1: division opponents have devised a game plan or a blueprint

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Speaker 1: against the Cardinals offense, but the Cardinals defense hasn't done

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Speaker 1: the same against their division opponents and their offense. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you got to count the season opener when

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers only scored twenty I think the

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Speaker 1: game in Seattle, like the Seahawks offense scored twenty six

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Speaker 1: points in that game and averaging we're averaging thirty two

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Speaker 1: or thirty three at the time. I think this is

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Speaker 1: such an offensive league now that things get really skewed

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Speaker 1: for a defense, like every time you give up a

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Speaker 1: first down. People are really mad at defenses, but there's

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Speaker 1: just so much higher scoring games in the NFL now

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Speaker 1: and it's hard for defenses. I go back to I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not division, but the Cardinals played great defensively against

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Speaker 1: Washington and the Giants and the Cowboys. I mean, they

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Speaker 1: had some really outstanding defensive performances, and they had some

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Speaker 1: other games where they weren't that great defensively. I think

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00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: it ebbed and flowed, and like I said earlier, I

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Speaker 1: don't think this is a great, great defense, but I

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00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 1: still think they overperformed expectations. And yeah, you would love

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Speaker 1: to shut down Russell Wilson, but I mean at that

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Speaker 1: point he was an MVP candidate when you played him twice,

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Speaker 1: and you did pretty good against Josh Allen, another MVP candidate.

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Speaker 1: I think the Cardinals got lucky in that they faced

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: a large amount of average or below average quarterbacks this season.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that argument. That's why I like doing

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Speaker 1: Football Outsiders, because they had just for who you're playing.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean you can pick nits. The defense

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00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but still I just think there was enough

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00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: enough good things there to be excited about where they're going,

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Speaker 1: considering you didn't have Chandler Jones, you didn't have like

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Speaker 1: a great cornerback group, and you somehow still got it

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Speaker 1: done for the most part. I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the stats, Paul, especially this year with the offensive

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Speaker 1: explosions and referees calling penalties, especially holding penalties, offensive holding

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Speaker 1: penalties a lot less. I mean the Cardinals, and granted

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Speaker 1: they slumped at the end to score points, but the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals homage twenty five point six points a game. That's

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Speaker 1: pretty healthy. I think that's fourteenth in the league. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you if you look at if you look at

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Speaker 1: where the scoring is this season, I mean it is

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Speaker 1: it is crazy to me how many points were scored

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Speaker 1: um overall. There there there's like five or six teams

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Speaker 1: and uh that that scored at least thirty points a game.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's just five teams scored at least thirty

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Speaker 1: points a game. There was another two teams that were

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Speaker 1: over twenty nine points a game. So so seven teams

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Speaker 1: scored at least twenty nine points a game. So ultimately,

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Speaker 1: maybe we need to start I mean, if you start thinking, well,

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Speaker 1: this isn't the Steelers, and you're not holding these teams

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Speaker 1: to seventeen points. That's not going to happen anymore. You're

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Speaker 1: not holding a team to seventeen points. And again that

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Speaker 1: goes back to what we were talking about before, which

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Speaker 1: is that's why this offense has to come to play,

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Speaker 1: because we saw the issues this offense had and it's

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00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: still averaged twenty five and a half points a game.

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Speaker 1: So it really underscores where an offense has to be

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Speaker 1: these days. And if you if you take out the

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Speaker 1: three defensive touchdowns and the two safeties the Cardinals gave up,

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Speaker 1: they allowed I think twenty one point five points per

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Speaker 1: game defensively. Like I said, that's that's a pretty solid

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Speaker 1: season overall. Next question on the Cardinals Underground brought you

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Speaker 1: by a Pacific Office Automation, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Biggest need on defense, Darren go Cool. I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: as we stand right now, I'm I'm gonna say cornerback,

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Speaker 1: But I think edge rusher is real close. Given how

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Speaker 1: many free agents they have, and given that Chandler Jones

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Speaker 1: is going into his last year of his contract, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: I think cornerback not even if they resigned Patrick Peterson,

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Speaker 1: I think cornerback is a spot that they really have

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Speaker 1: to address with some young blood. Yeah, I think easily

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00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: corner right. You know, I get that they have a

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Speaker 1: lot of free agents at a Rusher, but I feel

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00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: like you're gonna figure that out and get one of

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Speaker 1: those guys back. And if you've got Chandler Jones, a Son,

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00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: Reddick and Dennis Gardeck, to me, that's that's a solid trio.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely say corner because are you gonna pay Patrick?

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Speaker 1: How much does he want? Is he worth a mega deal?

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Speaker 1: Not a mega deal, but a significant contract at this

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00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: time in his career? And if not, what do you do?

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00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: So all eyes are on corner for me, and I

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00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: was the only thing I hesitate on that is edge.

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00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: Rusher is like, you know, I personally think that Chandler

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Speaker 1: Jones bounces back and has a big year next year,

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00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: but you don't know. And he did only have the

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Speaker 1: one sack in the time that he played, and he

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00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: was getting pressures, but like he's starting to get to

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Speaker 1: that age where you're worried about any kind of drop

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Speaker 1: off and so and the Reddick thing, I agree. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if they resign Reddick. I think they're absolutely fine. I

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Speaker 1: agree with you one hundred percent, Kyle. I'm just not

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent sure that they're going to be able

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Speaker 1: to resign a sign Reddick. And as much as I

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Speaker 1: love Marcus Goldman, who absolutely wants to stay and I

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Speaker 1: think wouldn't be a bad person on the other side

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Speaker 1: from Chandler Jones in that regard, I just don't know

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Speaker 1: how much production he's going to give you in terms

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Speaker 1: of actual past pressures and sacks. Yeah, Devon Kennard Stone

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Speaker 1: or contract, but that's a big question mark exactly what

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Speaker 1: you have there at this point. And I'm with you

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Speaker 1: since middle of this season. I've been saying, you know what,

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go corner in round one. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be the first round pick. We know the Steve Kind philosophy,

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Speaker 1: it's either edge rush or corner quarterback or what's the

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Speaker 1: other one, left tackle, So that would make sense when

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Speaker 1: you when you gauge for that. I'll be honest with him.

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Speaker 1: If there was a dynamic, game changing middle linebacker, a

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Speaker 1: Fred Warner type who was able to get run sideline

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00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: to sideline and really be the heartbeat of this Cardinals

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Speaker 1: defense who could play the next decade? Is that guy

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Speaker 1: a real alpha male at middle linebacker? I just when

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Speaker 1: I see those kind of guys and they're few and

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Speaker 1: far between, I think of, man, what would that do

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Speaker 1: next to an Isaiah Simmons, for example, over the next

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Speaker 1: six to eight years. That's something that could really transform

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Speaker 1: a defense. We've seen it going all the way back

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Speaker 1: to the Niners with Patrick Willis what that happened? What

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00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: that did? I just funny because I'm looking as presuming this,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at Kyle's face, and I know exactly what

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Speaker 1: he's going to say about an inside linebacker in the

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Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, go ahead and say, what's it feels

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Speaker 1: like we're rewinding the clock a year. Did you see

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Speaker 1: Fred Warner in the backfield making a sack? Did you

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Speaker 1: see Fred Warner down the middle third of the field

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Speaker 1: breaking up chunk throws intended for the tight end. I mean,

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00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: that dude was everywhere in Week sixteen? Isn't that Isaiah Simmons.

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Speaker 1: If you can guarantee that he's going to be an

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Speaker 1: All Pro linebacker at number sixteen, it's worth it. But

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Speaker 1: all things being equal, give me the cornerback, give me

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver. I'd much rather go one of those

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Speaker 1: two spots than inside backer, right, speaking of Isaiah Simmons,

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll go ahead and I'll light the fuse

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Speaker 1: on this one. Tanner Vallejo replacing Jordan Hicks and getting

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Speaker 1: all those snaps and getting a dozen tackles and the

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Speaker 1: tackle for loss. And you know, his name got called

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Speaker 1: a lot at times he was running round blocks, but

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Speaker 1: his name got called a lot. Should that have been

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00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons? Did anybody else wondering? I'll wait a minute.

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Speaker 1: I know he's not the backup for Jordan Hicks per se,

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Speaker 1: but in a time of need like that at should

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Speaker 1: that have been forty eight at the centerpiece of that

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00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 1: Cardinals defense? I don't think so. I think Isaiah simmons

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Speaker 1: best trait is his versatility and his ability to cover.

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Speaker 1: It's not run defense right now. And Tanner Vallejo was

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Speaker 1: in that game even before Jordan Hicks got hurt. I

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Speaker 1: think they wanted him to help stop the run against

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Speaker 1: a backup quarterback against a team that you thought was

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Speaker 1: going to pound the rock. And Isaiah Simmons is a

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Speaker 1: really good player, but you could tell they used him

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Speaker 1: in nickel and dime in passing situations because that's what

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Speaker 1: he's really good at right now. So I think a

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Speaker 1: to play Mike is a big responsibility in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: which he probably wasn't ready for if you needed to

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Speaker 1: help line people up. And then just from a run

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Speaker 1: defense perspective, he's more athletic obviously than Tenor Viejo, but

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Speaker 1: can he be in the right spot consistently if you're

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Speaker 1: in the wrong gap, that can be a big deal

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Speaker 1: in rush defense. And I think that was why they

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Speaker 1: trusted Tanner Vallejo in that situation, and Isaiah Simmons still played.

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Speaker 1: I mean he was moving around doing other stuff like

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Speaker 1: he's done all season. I think that was the role

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Speaker 1: for him as a rookie. And then next year, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a full time insidebacker,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a starter, and they can still move

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Speaker 1: him around, but he's definitely gonna be in the starting lineup.

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Speaker 1: I mean, considering the cap restrictions. Davandre Campbell, if there's

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Speaker 1: one thing we know, Darren Dvandra Campbell will be a

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Speaker 1: one year cardinal in Isaiah Simmons is the starting IT

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Speaker 1: inside linebacker next to Jordan Hicks next year, correct. I

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00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: feel pretty confident about that. I feel, you know, you're

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Speaker 1: just I mean that the idea. I mean, obviously they

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00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: signed Campbell before they even drafted Simmons, but you know,

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00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: Campbell was hoping to get more money on the open

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Speaker 1: market last year. Didn't get it, so we did the

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Speaker 1: one year deal and I think it worked out for

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Speaker 1: both parties. But I would assume with Simmons, yeah, you

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Speaker 1: probably move on from Campbell and you go ahead and

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00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: you install Simmons and you say this is where it's

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00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: got to be. And again, because of the monetary rest as,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be smarter with whatever free agents

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00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: you do sign. And if you have a guy on

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Speaker 1: the roster like a Simmons who's ready you hope to

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00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,399
Speaker 1: drop in that starting lineup, I don't think there's any question.

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00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: You gotta go ahead and do it. Patrick Peterson gonna

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Speaker 1: be thirty one this next season? Is he still an

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00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinal? What do you think? Kyle? Literally no clue.

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00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: I could see yes, I could see no. I mean,

858
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 1: if the Cardinals had a young outside corner that was

859
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: ready to be a CV one, then it doesn't make

860
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: a ton of sense to try to you know, give

861
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: him top dollar and keep him. But like we talked

862
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: about with this cornerback situation, if you don't keep Patrick,

863
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: you got to fill two outside cornerback rolls, and that's

864
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: a premium position. You're paying somebody if you want to

865
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: get a top flight one, and if you don't, that

866
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: is super risky to go into a season without a

867
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: corner that you can trust to stop elite right wide sievers.

868
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: I think Patrick Peterson certainly was not great this season,

869
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: but he's durable, he knows what to do. I think

870
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: he's a reliable cornerback. Still, it's just an interesting question

871
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: about what he wants with his market and at this age,

872
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: how do you project if he's gonna lose a step

873
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: next Season's he gonna you know, struggle against these good corners.

874
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: I mean, DK Metcalf in that second matchup clearly had

875
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: an athleticism advantage against Patrick Peterson, which you didn't say

876
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: earlier in Patrick Peterson's career. So where is he going

877
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: to be next season physically? It's a huge question, and

878
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: that's why it's such a tough negotiation because Patrick can say, hey,

879
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: look at all the Pro Bowls, look at the all

880
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: pros look what I've done, And you can also say, okay,

881
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,919
Speaker 1: look at your age and where your trajectory is going.

882
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: But it's a good question. I have no idea if

883
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: he'll be back. I get the sense the Cardinals value

884
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: of him as much as any team, and considering his

885
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: age and the cap restrictions other teams have Darren, I

886
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if he's back next year. It might

887
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: take a while in the off season. It might take

888
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: Patrick coming around to a different place in the marketplace

889
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: the salary structure than perhaps he envisioned going into this offseason.

890
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: But considering the Cardinals need and Patrick's affinity for the

891
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals and either theoretically is number one choice. I think

892
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: ultimately eventually they come to a deal. It's just that

893
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: a number far reduced from perhaps what he might have

894
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: envisioned going into the offseason. That's my gut feel. I

895
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: do agree that if he was given a preference, it

896
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: would be which is kind of ironic given the trade

897
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 1: stuff over the last couple of years. I do think

898
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: being here would be his first choice. That's why he

899
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: has not told me that. But I think that to

900
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: be true. With some of the things that I've heard

901
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: from him and stuff like that. I agree that it

902
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be if he was here, wouldn't be what

903
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: he originally was thinking. But I mean, I think there's

904
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that are going to be going

905
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: into the offseason perhaps sinking this. So maybe, you know,

906
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: if maybe they should talk to Marcus Golden, who when

907
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: he left a couple of years ago didn't get what

908
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: he was hoping to get and it ultimately got less

909
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: money than Terrell Suggs here. And I think if Marcus

910
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: Goldmo had been willing to take perhaps what like Terrell

911
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: Suggs took at the time, they might have just kept

912
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden at the time rather than go to Terrell Suggs,

913
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: who was obviously older. So I think there's gonna be

914
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: a lot of choices to be made, not only by

915
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 1: teams but by players in terms of money. And when

916
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: it comes to Patrick Peterson, I could see all that.

917
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, and this is always the

918
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,280
Speaker 1: case with free agency where the money dries up pretty quickly.

919
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: We know where the high broad teams, but like we

920
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: will know if Patrick gets one of those deals like

921
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: right out of the box, and then if it's not there,

922
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: then then things change. But that's like with anything. It's

923
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: like with the Reddick stuff. I don't know exactly what

924
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 1: his market's going to be. You know, maybe most teams

925
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: are like we we it's his sample size is too

926
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 1: small to really give him a lot of money. But

927
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: it only takes one team. It only takes one team

928
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 1: to money whip them and try and get them right

929
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: out of the box. And the other thing that's super interesting,

930
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: even though perhaps it's not supposed to be happening because

931
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: these things aren't supposed to be talked about. But with

932
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 1: no combine, usually players somehow amazingly start to figure out

933
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: their free agent value right around combine time, and the

934
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: there's a very strong possibility to combine will not happen

935
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: at its usual time and may get pushed back, perhaps

936
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: even after free agency starts. And if that happens, you know,

937
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: how do how do those conversations go and how does

938
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: all that work? So I'm I think free agency, between

939
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 1: the cap and how COVID's impacted that and all this

940
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: other stuff I think is going to be it's going

941
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: to be the most intriguing free agent period. Quite frankly,

942
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: I've ever covered and Look, we still have plenty of

943
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: the offseason to deliberate Larry, and we've done that each

944
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: of the last few off seasons, so we're on fitz watch.

945
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: We won't get into it right here, necessarily, we'll save

946
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: that for another time unless one of you has something

947
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: you want to break here on Cardinals Underground, brought to

948
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: you by Specific Office Automation. Proud partner of the Aria

949
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: was on a Cardinal anything you want to you sort

950
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: of have a slide grin on your face. Kyle's there's

951
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: something you want to offer him? Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald is

952
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: contemplating retirement. Okay, all right, Well you know he was

953
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: leaving that field. I snapped an aerial picture from above

954
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: of Larry and tweeted out you barely make him out

955
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: of a horrendous photo. I mean, it just really didn't

956
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: make NFL network like Darren. But I'll take my two

957
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen likes and you know, and be proud

958
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: of you. That's nothing for you, guys, but just it's

959
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: the power of Larry and what he's able to do,

960
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 1: you know, for pauly social media. Let me throw this

961
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: out there because this is this is real nebulous. And

962
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: this will not show up in your analytics, Kyle, although

963
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: it should. It should, it should give you reason for pause.

964
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: But when you look at why the Cardinals led the

965
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: NFL and penalties, when you look at why the Cardinals

966
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: had lapses in intensity and energy and focus, and that's

967
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: not just us, that's the head coach siting it off

968
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: the top of his pressor after they lost in Week

969
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: sixteen to a Niners team. So when you try and

970
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: account for that, how do you address that in an

971
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: off season? Anybody have a theory? I mean, what what

972
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: do you do about that? Do you go try and

973
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: find a tyrant Matthew type who you hope is the

974
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: heartbeat of your team, that guy everyone else can feed

975
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: off of, no matter what the circumstances. What do you

976
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 1: do if you're the GM and you're in charge of

977
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 1: constructing this team? It is kind of a weird deal.

978
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Like you look at the false starts and everybody knows

979
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to fall start, Like, I don't

980
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 1: understand how you get that more into people's heads. I

981
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: think the stuff like when you're more disciplined about pre

982
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: or post snap penalties, Like like you know unsportsmanlikes and

983
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like the Drake kerk Patrick penalty comes

984
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: to mind, and then the DeAndre Hopkins ones in the finale,

985
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: like that sort of stuff. Maybe if you have a

986
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: very structured thing, then you can try to get that

987
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: stuff out this offseason, because you do look at like

988
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots and certain teams and they're pretty commonly among

989
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 1: the least penalized. So I feel like, you know, if

990
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 1: you can coach it to all these different players over

991
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: the years, you're you're certainly doing something to make sure

992
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: your team isn't penalized. I don't personally know exactly what

993
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: you do or what you say, but I think there's

994
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: some sort of formula there to get it. And yeah,

995
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: that can be important in a sport where games are

996
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: so close and when we can look back at a

997
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: few calls in certain games and maybe that turns one

998
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: game and the Cardinals are in the playoffs, So you

999
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: want to be as least penalized as possible, knowing that

1000
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. But hey, let's not shoot ourselves

1001
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,839
Speaker 1: in the foot if we can't. If we can avoid it.

1002
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,200
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a game this year, Darren where

1003
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: the Cardinal's offensive line had four false starts in a

1004
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,359
Speaker 1: single game. Yeah, you know, we saw in this last

1005
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: game DeAndre Hopkins. You know, the Cardinal's offense was seemingly

1006
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: starting to get it in here and all of a sudden,

1007
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: it's first in thirty five, after the unsportsmanlike after the

1008
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: PI offensive PI penalty, And he was far from the

1009
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: only one. It was a persistent theme in twenty twenty.

1010
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: Do you have to go sergeant Rock if you're the

1011
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 1: coaching staff, is that a matter of how you remedy

1012
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,439
Speaker 1: something like that? I think the problem is is I don't.

1013
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. I don't think that's Cliff

1014
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 1: Kingsbury's personality. And you know the old school thought process,

1015
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: which I agree with, which is you can always come

1016
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: in hard and ease up later. But if you if

1017
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: you start easier and then get harder. You know, Cliff

1018
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: Kingsbury believes very strongly that these guys are professionals and

1019
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: they can handle themselves. And that's what he's counting on.

1020
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: And and you know, I think some of it is

1021
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: going to have to be leadership in the locker room.

1022
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: You're you know, I think players they talk about holding

1023
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: each other accountable, but then you actually have to hold

1024
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: each other accountable and how that would go. And I'm

1025
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: sure some of that also falls on the coaches too,

1026
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: But this is all things that I think Cliff Kingsbury

1027
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: continues to learn. And I know we haven't talked a

1028
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 1: lot about it, and not that we were going to,

1029
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 1: but you know, I know there's a lot of fans

1030
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,479
Speaker 1: out there that are very angry with the head coach

1031
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: right now. They're angry with the head coach and you know,

1032
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 1: some of them want to change, and that makes no

1033
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: sense to me, to be honest, I try and look

1034
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: at things, these things a little bit more logically. I'm

1035
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: not trying to say everything that the coach and this

1036
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: coaching staff or the players have done is perfectly or

1037
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: Steve Clime. But this is also a team that has

1038
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: been through a couple of coach can changes over the

1039
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: past few years. And I know that you know when

1040
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: you're in the building and you see this the change

1041
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,959
Speaker 1: when you bringing a new coach in. That's like trying

1042
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: to turn the Titanic a little bit a big ocean

1043
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: freighter in terms of getting everything in place, the timing

1044
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: of it all, it is, it's it's not a quick

1045
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: thing where you just drop a guy in and then

1046
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: everything's fixed. And I just I'm just not a big

1047
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: fan of it. And I do believe that continuity matters,

1048
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: and and I think next year is a huge year

1049
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: for this quarterback, for this head coach, for this franchise,

1050
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: and for the GM in terms of how it turns out.

1051
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: But I do think they took some steps forward. And

1052
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: when you talk about the penalties, we start talking about

1053
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 1: stuff that feels very fixable. So they're gonna have the

1054
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: chance to fix these things and we're going to see

1055
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: what happens and how it plays out on the field

1056
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. And to me, you knew this

1057
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: going in when you brought in Clifton Tyler, that there

1058
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: was going to be a learning curve and it might

1059
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: not just be the first year, it might be the

1060
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: first two years. If you had a head coach in

1061
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: place right now who had had twenty years NFL experience,

1062
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: and this is what had happened, you've finished by losing

1063
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: five year, last seven, then maybe you've seen the upside.

1064
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: Maybe you've realized, Okay, this is gonna be the you know,

1065
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: you've just maximized what this regime is all going to

1066
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: be about. But that's not the case. Here. You have

1067
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: a quarterback and a head coach who just completed year

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Speaker 1: two in this league, in those capacities, and and they're

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Speaker 1: still learning. So I get it. I get the frustration,

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Speaker 1: and I don't mind it because it means people care.

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Speaker 1: It's when you get the apathy, that's that's when it's

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Speaker 1: it's time to be concerned. And everyone involved, you know,

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Speaker 1: is frustrated and for everything that went on this year.

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Speaker 1: You know, we can We've named a lot of names,

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Speaker 1: but let's wrap up this edition of Cardinals Underground, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Pacific Office Automation, pro partner of the

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Speaker 1: airs on our Cardinals, with a well earned shout out

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Speaker 1: for the head athletic trainer, Tom Reid and his staff.

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Speaker 1: You guys have seen it on a daily basis. I mean, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: think of the gargantuan, herculean task that they've had to

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Speaker 1: take up from scratch, starting way back in March. It's

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Speaker 1: involved daily testing all along the way. Every member of

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Speaker 1: the organization has been impacted and has been cared for

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Speaker 1: in some capacity by Tom Reid and his staff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I still remember the flight Plan episode this offseason

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Speaker 1: when they interviewed him, and I think at that point

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Speaker 1: he said he hadn't had a day off, and that

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Speaker 1: had been several months. I'm sure he still hasn't had

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Speaker 1: a day off in a really long time. And just yeah,

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Speaker 1: the monumental effort he does during a regular season without

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Speaker 1: all this stuff. He's incredibly busy, and I just, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think humongous props go to him. I personally had

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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen a few weeks ago, and the way he

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Speaker 1: made me feel helped me. You know. He texted me,

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Speaker 1: asked how I was doing, told me what to do.

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Speaker 1: He really alleviated a lot of concerns when you get it,

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Speaker 1: because it's a crazy time and you're really worried about

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff off and the care he showed

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Speaker 1: me was so incredible. And knowing that I'm not a player,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a coach, I'm just somebody on the other

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Speaker 1: side of the organization who isn't who doesn't matter in

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Speaker 1: winter losses for the game, and the way he treated

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Speaker 1: me was fantastic, and I'm sure he showed that type

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Speaker 1: of empathy to every single person that either had COVID

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Speaker 1: or was a close contact, and like you said, just

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Speaker 1: an absolutely incredible job and huge props to Tom Reid.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying and Paul, you've you've been doing this too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been fortunate enough to be high enough

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Speaker 1: up the food chain that I've been in the building

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Speaker 1: most of the season. I was able to take all

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Speaker 1: but one road trip, so I've missed only one game

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Speaker 1: because of protocol. Is not because I was sick, fortunately,

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Speaker 1: and I've been tested on a daily basis for months

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Speaker 1: now and seeing what Tom has done, what Jessica one

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Speaker 1: of the equipment interns who it up becoming a point

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Speaker 1: person in terms of getting the testing information out to

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Speaker 1: everybody and getting us the connects things that we wear

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Speaker 1: to make sure we know of close contacts to Matt Carraciolo,

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Speaker 1: who's the VP of Football Operations and Facilities, who has

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Speaker 1: worked with Tom to make sure travel works, make sure

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Speaker 1: the building is safe, make sure everybody's in the right places,

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Speaker 1: and all the things that we needed. It's it's really

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Speaker 1: it's been a herculean task for some of those people

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Speaker 1: Tom included, and for us to be here to have

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Speaker 1: gotten through a full football season. I know there's people

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Speaker 1: out there in the world that are upset and don't

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Speaker 1: believe that there should have been sports played. But I

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Speaker 1: think that everybody involved, both here locally and on a

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Speaker 1: bigger picture, they've worked really hard to make sure it's

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Speaker 1: it was as safe as possible, and it's really been

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Speaker 1: an amazing experience. I'd rather never go through it again,

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Speaker 1: but it's been really incredible to have gone through this

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Speaker 1: and to be able to say I was part of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're here on that. Just think of the unknowns. Think

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Speaker 1: of where we were in August as they were canceling

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Speaker 1: preseason games and we all wandered out loud. Now, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, can you play full contact football in the

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Speaker 1: middle of a pandemic? Nobody really knew. And two hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty six games later, every single game on the

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Speaker 1: NFL schedule completed, going into the first round of the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Guess what here they are as a league. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine the physical and mental exhaustion by Tom

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Speaker 1: Reid right now and that staff. So here's open sometime

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Speaker 1: soon they get some R and R something for mental health.

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Speaker 1: What do you guys do for mental health? By the way,

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Speaker 1: come on now, you guys have been grinding six seven

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Speaker 1: days a week all year long. Kyle, what do you

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Speaker 1: got lined up? I play chess? Come on, man, now, Kyle,

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Speaker 1: be honest. Have you just jumped the chess bandwagon started

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Speaker 1: by Kyler? Or I mean, come on now? Are we

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Speaker 1: back to this now? The funny thing is, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: there was the Kyler stretch, but then Queen's Gambit went

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Speaker 1: on Netflix and it chess just exploded. There's like, I

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Speaker 1: think there's streaming of chess on Twitch. Now people are

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Speaker 1: watching people play chess. So I'm a nerd heaven now

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Speaker 1: that chess is in the limelight. Or you could just

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Speaker 1: or or you know, I think there's some video of

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Speaker 1: Kyler Kyler, sorry about that, Kyle playing chess on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: I think if you just if you google Kyle Oude

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Speaker 1: guard in East Valley Tribune and maybe you fight some

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Speaker 1: good videos of kayle Well, you know, my hats never

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Speaker 1: did take off, MOGA hats making offense great again? Oh God,

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Speaker 1: maybe I'm gonna now I'm gonna get another tweet from

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Speaker 1: well Leach. No, maybe we need the MCGA hats, you know,

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Speaker 1: making chess great again. Maybe you know that? Would you

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Speaker 1: know that would go along well with your Dale Earnhard hat,

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Speaker 1: and nobody can see on this addition of Cardinals Underground,

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Speaker 1: why do you buy Pacific Office Automated? What that's not?

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Speaker 1: Dale Earnhardt? What is that? Kyle? First of all, chess

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Speaker 1: has always been great and it'll never not be great.

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Speaker 1: Second of all, it's a Chance the Rapper hat. I

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Speaker 1: am the rare guy who likes chess and likes Chancellor Rapper.

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Speaker 1: Probably the only person in the world I did not

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Speaker 1: know Chance the Rapper was in the number three car

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Speaker 1: and the NASCAR circuit. I did not realize that. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I learned something every week in this edition

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals Underground.