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Speaker 1: for you. This it's the Pack twelve apostles and only

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Speaker 1: the truth lives here. Twelve Apostles, Apostles walk Ons are

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Speaker 1: the new scholarship players. Wow, mind blowing. Just revelation happened

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Speaker 1: today and we can thank Ralph Fams Baylor. Their Committee

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Speaker 1: on Infractions ruling was put down and a shue. Fans

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Speaker 1: forfeit policy if a team has to miss a game

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Speaker 1: due to COVID, and Nick Rolovich responds, we have an

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Speaker 1: interview with the one and the only, Clay Helton, head

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Speaker 1: didn't read it, you want to hear from Paul Wolfe,

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Speaker 1: former Washington State head coach and player, and our breakout

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Speaker 1: but first we gotta reach your reviews. Of course, I'm

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Speaker 1: George Rice, sir, He's Ralph Amson. And this is the

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Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles. The Pack twelve apostles is the pack

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Speaker 1: is the podcast. Bipack twelve fans, four Pack, twelve fars

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Speaker 1: where you get the truth and no sugarcoat, no homerism,

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Speaker 1: none of that. We keep it one hundred all the time. Ralph.

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Speaker 1: It is football season right around the corner. How you feeling, Poul,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit nervous, a little bit nervous. The

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Speaker 1: or giving for like six months or giving them probation

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00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: and then for a dimebag of weed, somebody going to

432
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: jail for you know, ten ten years. So they're mad

433
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: because they have had two more assistance put on administrative

434
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: leave in Chris Hawkins and Prentice Guil who were position coaches,

435
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: the wide receiver coach and the dB coach, to go

436
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: along with Adam Brenneman, who was the tight end coach

437
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: who is put on administrative leave because they all some

438
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: kind of way bought flights or paid for something for

439
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: recruits during the pandemic. They're caught on tape, so is

440
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce, so is Herm Edwards. But they know they

441
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: can't fire everybody because if we fire everybody, can't play football,

442
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: can't play football. There's no money, Ralph. So here's where

443
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: we are. Uh yeah, So we have three assistants at

444
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: this point in time that are unpaid administrative leave. They

445
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: are Adam brennaman tight ends. He is a first year coach.

446
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I believe he's in his mid twenties. He played for

447
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Penn State and U Mass and then had a crazy

448
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: career or key like, ran a Republican congressman's campaign, uh

449
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: and then went into coaching, ended up at Arizona State

450
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: as an offensive assistant, and then placed Derrick Hagen, who

451
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: was let go, as the tight ends coach. This is

452
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: somebody who played tight end at a high high, high

453
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: level and has been praised for his efforts in recruiting

454
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: as a grad assistant. Has been named by multiple recruits

455
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: as their main point of contact. He was somebody that

456
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: airs on the state fans were really excited about. He's

457
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: somebody that UM and rival sites both promoted as an

458
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: otherworldly next generation recruiter and UM and and a lot

459
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: of recruits have come around and second did that he's

460
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: really good at relating to them and everything like that.

461
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 1: You have Chris Hawkins, who is a very interesting figure

462
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: in that he is the son of our Mond Hawkins,

463
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: who runs ground zero seven on seven in southern California.

464
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: If you know anything about recruiting, you know you've got

465
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to get in with some of these seven on seven

466
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: coaches because that's where all the talent accumulates outside of

467
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: the season to travel around, run offensive sets and show

468
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: off for college coaches who like to lie and say

469
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: that they don't actually watch UM, that they don't actually

470
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: watch seven on seven, which we all know is not true.

471
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: And uh, interestingly enough, Armand Hawkins Jr. Is like the

472
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: director of high school relationships for USC. So Chris Hawkins

473
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: six years old, a s U defensive backs coach. He replaced,

474
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: i want to say, a really complicated situation in which

475
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Tony White replaced Stanni Gonzalez as a s US defensive

476
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: coordinator and then a few days later, Tony White left

477
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: as a s US defensive coordinator to be syracused as

478
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. And then the third one is Prentice Gil

479
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: and Prentice Gil came from Oregon. He was at USC

480
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: before that. He has a lot of California relationships. The

481
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: There has been a lot of handwringing and conspiracy theorizing

482
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: amongst the Oregon faithful as to how Prinice Gil ended

483
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: up at Arizona State in first place as a wide

484
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: receiver's coach. Prentice Gil replaced Charlie Fisher as Arizona State's

485
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: wide receivers coach and accepted the job of Arizona State

486
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: shortly after a SU knocked Oregon out of college football

487
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 1: playoff contention in twenty nine. The way that Arizona State

488
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 1: dismissed Charlie Fisher, who left being the head coach if

489
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: I believe Western Illinois to come over to Arizona State

490
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: was to continue to promote that they've had three wide

491
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: receivers in a row drafted in the NFL Draft, including

492
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: back to back first rounders in the Keel Harry and

493
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 1: Brandon Aiyuk for Frank Derby went to the Atlanta Falcons.

494
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: This in this last draft, but they neglect to say

495
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: like they they fired Charlie Fisher, but at the same

496
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: time they promote the idea that they got these wide

497
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: receivers drafted. So there's some weird mixed messages there. There's

498
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: probably some internal strife at a s U over that.

499
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: But Prented Skill comes in and he takes over the

500
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver position having zero experience, same as Chris Hawkins

501
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: and at A Brennaman as major college football position coaches.

502
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: They have no experience, um, but they are all there

503
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: specifically to gear up for the war with Dante Williams

504
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: and USC to help a SU become the best spot

505
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: for kids in southern California. That's the thing that matters

506
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: the absolute most to a s U is everything they

507
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: did bringing in guys that have never coached before because

508
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: they're good recruiters, was to go head to head and

509
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: battle directly with Dante Williams at USC. Now all three

510
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of those coaches who many believe were brought in specifically

511
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: by Antonio Pierce are at home getting paychecks. They are

512
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: being paid to sit at home. They are paid administrative leave.

513
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: And the reason that they are on paid administrative leave

514
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: is because we have documentation provided by whistleblower or whistle

515
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: blowers to both the n c double A and A

516
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: s WAS Compliance department. Those whistleblowers, UH had a very

517
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: specific target in mind that they were trying to take down.

518
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a s U as a program, It

519
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: wasn't Ray Anderson, and it wasn't even the head coach,

520
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: Herm Edwards. Who was it then Ralph Antonio Pierce. They

521
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: were Do you think Antonio Piers hasn't been taken down yet? Well,

522
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: because the theory is is because he had these dirty

523
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: deeds done dirt cheap by assistance in their twenties who

524
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: had never coached in major college football and had gotten

525
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: an opportunity and was like, yo, I don't want to

526
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: squander this. This is my shot. And if I have

527
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: to as the term that they used that Arizona State

528
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: play in the gray, then I will do that right

529
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: And so do you do you think that Arizona State

530
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: fans have a right to be upset after the Baylor

531
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: stuff came came down and they essentially got slaps on

532
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: the wrist they're getting. They lose some visits, they lose

533
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: some you know, evaluation days on campus visit days, but

534
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: nothing substantial. And then and what they did was way

535
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: worse because because these are moral failures. If Arizona State

536
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: fans are upset that Baylor did not receive a larger

537
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: punishment from the n C Double A, because deep down

538
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 1: inside and the goodness of their hearts, they have lots

539
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: of sympathy and empathy for victims of sexual assault than

540
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: Arizona State fans are not in the wrong. If Arizona

541
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: State fans are upset because they know that they're gonna

542
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: get dinged harder than Baylor, even though Baylor's situation involved

543
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: um alleged and proven issues of sexual immorality, impropriety, and

544
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 1: violence UM, then their heart is in the wrong place.

545
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Because the n C Double A exists to enforce the

546
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: rules that has on the books. They can't be mad

547
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: at the n C Double A because whistleblowers, who had

548
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: a singular target in mind, compiled a bunch of stuff

549
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: that they could send to the n C Double A

550
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: and a s U in an attempt to con This

551
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: is this is the situation of Arizona State right now.

552
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 1: The whistleblowers believe that they are practicing chemotherapy. They believe

553
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: that they are poisoning the program to rid it of

554
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: a cancer. That is their belief. They understand the damage

555
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: that they are doing because they are trying to rid

556
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: the program of a cancer. Arizona State fans probably just

557
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: look at this and say, this is a bunch of

558
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: unecessary drama. We're mad at everybody involved. We're mad at

559
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: the stupidity that put us in this situation in the

560
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: first place. We're mad that somebody decided to point it out.

561
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: We're questioning their motives. Uh, and we're also mad that

562
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: Baylor isn't going to have it as bad as a

563
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: s U a few years down the line. I would

564
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: tell any a s U fan that their anger shouldn't

565
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: be with the n C double A. It should be

566
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: with the program. It should be with the program. It's

567
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: very simple. If you believe that everybody is cheating, how

568
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: are they all getting away with it except for one school.

569
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: That's a legitimate question. That's and but it's an execution issue.

570
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: But but I think that a lot of it has

571
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: to do with what Peter Thamil's article said, which is

572
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: how you treat people that there are people who are

573
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: just just despise how Antonio Pierce has treated people and

574
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: some other people in the program. So people won't remember

575
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: what you said, they won't remember what you did, but

576
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: they will remember how you made them feel. And if

577
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: you scorn enough people or the right way, or go

578
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: against their character and their fiber. I mean, look at

579
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: look at the guy, the compliance guy. What was his name,

580
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: the one who retired. Oh you're talking about Tim Cassidy.

581
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: Tim Cassidy wasn't compliance. He's the director of football operations. Yeah,

582
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 1: he was over the whole program. Everybody loved Tim Cassie

583
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: and he's talked about as a high character guy. Everybody

584
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: that has all these amazing things to say about him.

585
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: But maybe if you compromised him, that could be another

586
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: reason to go scorch scorched earth. Yeah, Tim Cassid, he's

587
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: a guy who quietly retired with no fanfare from the

588
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: program after almost nine years of faithful service, and pretty

589
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: much everybody that's ever worked from him loves him. They've

590
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: got all sorts of other situations within the program that

591
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: are kind of interesting. You see people coming, you see

592
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: people going. You probably put two and two together. If

593
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: you took a list of all the people who are

594
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: employees two years ago and all the people who are

595
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: employees now. But then you also have to understand that

596
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: some of this actually came from within the program, from

597
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: current employees who are looking at uh, the situation, looking

598
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: at who's accumulating power within the program a k Antonio Piers,

599
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: and they have an issue with it. Some people might

600
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: have even done this in an attempt to protect term

601
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: edwards legacy, because they're saying that Antonio Pierce has already

602
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: gone and ruined it. The weirdest thing about this whole

603
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Arizona State issue is that no matter what a SU

604
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: does from here on out, everything they do creates an

605
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: opportunity for more division. So now you have three young

606
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: assistants who were all placed on leave right now, right well,

607
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: then you've got a bunch of people who are elevated

608
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: in their place. All the people who are loyal to

609
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 1: Antonio Pierce are going to have all eyes on him

610
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: to see how he treats the three people who have

611
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: been excommunicated while they sit around and collect paychecks in

612
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: hopes a s u's got big fingers crossed on this

613
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: one that none of the three of them have anything

614
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: to say to the n C Double A or to

615
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: a s U compliance that they might just volunteer something

616
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: out of out of the goodness of their hearts. They

617
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: hope that they stay home, and they hope that they

618
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: stay quiet. That is because right now a s U

619
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: this had nothing, Nothing that's happened so far has anything

620
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: to do with the n C Double A. Right now,

621
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: Arizona State has put three assistance on lead because the

622
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 1: president of the university and his legal counsel have agreed

623
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: that that's what should be done. Their hope is that

624
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: they can get through this season because they've got immense

625
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: talent on this roster. And we do need to talk

626
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: about the fact that the immense talent on this roster

627
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: is because of one guy in particular, because Jade and

628
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 1: Daniels isn't there without Antonio Pierce. DeAndre Pierce, his Son's

629
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: not there without Antonio Pierce. Jack Jones is not there

630
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 1: without Antonio Pierce. Jermaine Lolay is not there without Antonio Pierce.

631
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: Merlin Robertson is not there without Antonio Pierce. The Markham

632
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: Twins are not there without Antonio Pierce. Like this entire

633
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: roster and the success this year is going to be

634
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: a credit to what Antonio Pierce did under HERM edwards leadership.

635
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: He built his team, his fingerprints are all over it.

636
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: Any success that they have should be attributed to Antonio

637
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 1: as much as its attributed to anybody else within this program.

638
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: But the issue is the reason that you have three

639
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: guys who were at home right now collecting paychecks that

640
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: a SU hope stay silent is supposedly also because of

641
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: this same one guy. So a s U is hoping

642
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: to get through this season, probably have Antonio Pierce to

643
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: take a job in the NFL or something like that,

644
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: and then if they do good enough, and I mean

645
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: really do good enough to the point where Ray Anderson

646
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: can look at all of those critics who said that

647
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: he was a clown for hiring his friend and client

648
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: to be the coach of a major college football program

649
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 1: with the hope that all the assistance would stick around,

650
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: and they didn't. So that's how you end up with

651
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: a power vacuum where Antonio Pierce climbs year after year

652
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: after year. He's gonna say, I didn't fail. You were

653
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: all wrong. We're gonna keep her Edwards on for at

654
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: least a couple more years, Antoni A. Piers will go

655
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: do his thing, but then they can take their victory lap.

656
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: They can't take their victory lap. They don't want to

657
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: and that's the that's the things they don't want to

658
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: fire anybody. So if Antonio Piers just just leaves, it's fine.

659
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 1: But if this scandal would have broken in January, do

660
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: you think that they would be the head coach that

661
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: everybody would still be in place right now? Because I

662
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: think the thing that's saving everybody, at least for the

663
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: next few months is the fact that the season is

664
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: here and you can't you literally cannot fire everybody because

665
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: there's nobody to to to play the season if you

666
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 1: do right. But then to say that if the scandal

667
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: broke in January, you'd have to excuse a bunch of

668
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: stuff that happened around or after that time period that accelerate.

669
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: So you're you're talking about um Dave Christensen retiring and

670
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Kevin mcwhy not getting his spot despite the fact that

671
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: Arizona State told every recruit that they talked to for

672
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: two years that if they showed up at Arizona State

673
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: that Kevin Mwai would be their coach. You're talking about um,

674
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 1: Derek prob uh uh, someone who's really important to the program,

675
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: Derrick Hagan, UM getting replaced. You're you're talking about UM

676
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: all sorts of other really um inside baseball office politics

677
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: stuff that happened that ultimately lead to a group of

678
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: people UM saying that we're not We're not going to

679
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 1: stand for this anymore. And then another group of people

680
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 1: finding out that it's going to happen before it happened,

681
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: and not exactly being upset about it. And that's what

682
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,479
Speaker 1: that's another interesting thing about this entire thing that Doug

683
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: Holler has written about that Pete Dami was written about,

684
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: is that this is an interesting situation in which you

685
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: have current employees, former employees, disgruntled people, and also just

686
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: people who um want to protect the legacy of Arizona

687
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: State or their own legacies, who were all upset for

688
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: different reasons. Some of their motivation might be good, some

689
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: of their motivation might not be good, but they're all

690
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: willing to take Arizona State down in the event that

691
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: they can get one dude in the process, one scalp

692
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: in the process. And that that's something that you have

693
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: to ask yourself of, like, uh, did we side with

694
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: the wrong guy on this did one guy accumulate too

695
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: much power too fast? But then you got to turn

696
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: it on a look at Arizona State's roster and say, like,

697
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: this isn't what it is without him, not not even close.

698
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: But the thing that I keep coming back to is

699
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 1: Baylor's entire scandal came out of a place of placing

700
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: the importance of football over anything else, no matter what

701
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: it was. Arizona State is similar, but they haven't had

702
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: to face some of the moral dilemmas that Baylor had

703
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: to face and choose to look the other way on

704
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: that we know of, right, So comparing the two, I

705
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: think that's the only place where you can compare it

706
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 1: is this sort of thing comes out of a mixed

707
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: priority of putting football above ethics, of putting success um

708
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: above the rule book and everything like that. But these

709
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: are situations that like so like Baylor when they went

710
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: out and got that guy from Boise State, who already

711
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: had a really rough history, that was them putting the

712
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: importance of winning over the safety of the students. And

713
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 1: Arizona State when they were bringing recruits in during the

714
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: dead period, that was them putting the success of football

715
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: over the safety of the students and the student athletes

716
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: and the coaches and everything like that. So and the

717
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: fairness as are related to other programs all of this

718
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: because there are there were some programs. I think Georgia

719
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: had a quote unquote big recruiting weekend where kids just

720
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: magically happened to come to the same weekend, and then

721
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: the n c double A actually told schools after that

722
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: do not do this period, and then Arizona State continue

723
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: to do it after that. I think that that's part

724
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: of the reason whether getting rung up is because it

725
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: was so flagrant after they already gave you the warning.

726
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: It's like last year when the NFL told teams to listen,

727
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: do not skirt these COVID policies, and then you end

728
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 1: up with teams with multimillion dollar fines, and and then

729
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the other. The other really important thing to remember about

730
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: this while Arizona State fans continue to try to look

731
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: for someone to be mad at and someone to blame

732
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: for being a rat or putting all this out there

733
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: when they believe that it should have stayed behind closed

734
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: doors the way that it does in other programs is

735
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: we have relationships with different college coaches, you have some.

736
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: I have some when I reached out to people when

737
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: I knew that this whole thing was dropping, and when

738
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: I reached out to people and said like, hey, did

739
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: you know that this was coming? Um, some of them

740
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: said yes and some of them said no. But the

741
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: one thing that every single one of them said is

742
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: I'm not surprised. I've also heard X, Y, and Z.

743
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: And you could say, you can make yourself the victim

744
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: in that situation, and you can say, well, everybody must

745
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 1: be out to get us. But the truth of the

746
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: matter is some of these people have no reason but

747
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 1: to hope good things for Arizona State because they have

748
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: passed Arizona State affiliations or their friends with some of

749
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: the people involved, Yeah, like they don't know or or

750
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: or maybe they were not necessarily following all the rules.

751
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: So it's not really a good thing for one domino

752
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: to fall. There's a million different reasons why you would

753
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: assume that coaches would be happy to see one of

754
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: the programs in the conference fall apart. But the truth

755
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 1: there is a lot of these guys are interconnected. Some

756
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: of them are doing the same things. If you if

757
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: you want to believe all those conspiracy theories that everybody

758
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: cheats or whatnot. It definitely serves as a wake up calling,

759
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: a warning shot if one of them ends up getting

760
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: thrown under the bus. For the whole thing, the problem

761
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: is Arizona State is the one driving the bus and

762
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: throwing the person under the bus. And the person under

763
00:45:55,640 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: the bus this begins and ends with people affiliated with

764
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: Arizona State at some point in time. They're the ones

765
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: that broke the rules. They're the ones that didn't want

766
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 1: to break the rules. They're the ones that reported. They're

767
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: the ones that are denying it. They're the ones that

768
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: are investigating it. They're the ones that are saying things

769
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: are all good. Even though it's being investigated, it's not

770
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: an investigation, it's a review. Like this literally has nothing

771
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,399
Speaker 1: to do with any other school in the country. It's

772
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: completely encapsulated in what's going on at a s U

773
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: and everybody involved this interconnected. Michael Crowe doesn't want this

774
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: to be a thing because Ray Anderson is his guy.

775
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: Ray Anderson doesn't want this to be a thing because

776
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: his best friend and former client is the head coach

777
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: that he hired against the recommendation of anybody who thought

778
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: that uh, it was a bad idea that somebody who

779
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: was in broadcasting for nine years jump into college football

780
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: after being absent from the game for thirty years. Herm

781
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: Edwards brought on his former broadcast partner and friend Antonio

782
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: Pierce into this situation and helped him accumulate power year

783
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: over year over year. Herm doesn't want to Ap to

784
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: take the fall. Ap doesn't want the kids that he

785
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: brought on to take the fall. Ray doesn't want him

786
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: to take the fall, and Michael Crow doesn't want Ray

787
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 1: Anderson to take the fall. Because everything reflects back all

788
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: the way up to the top of the ladder, it

789
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: makes everyone look bad. So a s U has every

790
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: incentive right now to try as hard as they can

791
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: to weather this storm. The only way that they don't

792
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: weather this storm, in my personal opinion, is if another

793
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: shoe drops and I'm not aware of one or the

794
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: people who are sitting at home right now collecting a

795
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: paycheck decide I don't need this paycheck, but I do

796
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: want my voice heard because I'm gonna get hit with

797
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 1: the show cause and this program is not supporting me.

798
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: They're not looking out for me, and that's the scariest

799
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: thing for a s U right now is one of

800
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: these guys talks, dude, dude, And that's the thing is

801
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: is that they're going to have to give them a

802
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: contract that's at least they may be able to extend. Well,

803
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be able to extend them, but they're

804
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: not going to be able to fire them with with

805
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: with cause though, because they needed, yes, you needs Built

806
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: Bar to come in and offer some assistant coaches some

807
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: corporate scholarship money. Yep um. The next thing up, the

808
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Pack twelve has put out its forfeit policy for this year,

809
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: and it is the same policy that it was prior

810
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: to the pandemic. Mind you, it was modified last year,

811
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: and it basically says that that if an institution is

812
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: unable to play a contest through its own fault, it

813
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: shall forfeit such contests to its opponent. Any game forfeited,

814
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: any forfeited contests shall be regarded as a conference loss

815
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 1: for the team making the forfeit and the conference win

816
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: for the opponent. And so that basically means that if

817
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: you have a COVID outbreak, uh, You're you're screwed. And uh.

818
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: Nick Rolovich, head coach at Arizona. I'm sorry, head coach

819
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: at Washington State. He weighed in on what his thoughts

820
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: on this were, Well, I think we just gotta get

821
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the games play, you know. I think that's that's the

822
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: main thing here is it's put in because we wanted

823
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: to do the right things, stay stay healthy. So we

824
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: get these games in from everybody, fans and the universities

825
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: and back twelve and all that stuff. This is uh.

826
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: I think we learned a lot after what what we

827
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 1: all went through last year. So, Ralph, what what did

828
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: you make out of what Nick Rolovich said? Because I

829
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: was like, that sounds like a guy who didn't get

830
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: vaccinated just tap dancing around a question as opposed to

831
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: actually answering the question, because he said nothing. Uh. He

832
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: sounded like like I remember when I was a teacher

833
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: and I promised the kids a pizza party and then

834
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 1: I forgot about it and show up on Friday and

835
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: the kids are like, where is the pizza? And I replied,

836
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: the important thing is that we all eat lunch. Ha

837
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: ha ha ah. The kids hated to that day. They

838
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: were like, I told my mom we were having a

839
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: pizza party. We didn't she didn't pack me lunch and

840
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: now it was grew because of because of Mr Amsden, right,

841
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: So that like that's the that's all I can get

842
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: from it is like there's not really anything to say,

843
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: but he had to talk, he had to like run

844
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: his mouth. Um. And so what do you what do

845
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: you think about the forfeiture pilot policy? Because you say

846
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: you think it incentivizes people to do the wrong thing.

847
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: I think it's very possible that if you are going

848
00:50:53,960 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: to lose M because you have a COVID outbreak, that

849
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: something in you might say, well, then let's just not

850
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 1: tell anyone. I think every oh like oh like like

851
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: like um, like what the rumors were circulating about what

852
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: last year? I'm I'm not gonna say which, but but

853
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm gonna get us in trouble. Um. Yes,

854
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: if if those rumors circulating about last year held any truth,

855
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: and to my knowledge there is absolutely none. I have

856
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: absolutely nothing on that, just a rumor. But if somebody

857
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: did not report positive cases so that they could get

858
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: a game in, I mean I would understand why they

859
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,800
Speaker 1: would do, Like it's obviously completely wrong and not safe,

860
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: but I would understand why it's because you're not going

861
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: to rescheduled that game. You're just telling them it's a loss,

862
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: not a no contest. So if you have somebody who's

863
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: asymptomatic but tested positive and you can just say they

864
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: have a sprained ankle um and you have them on

865
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: the sideline in a mask, instead of contact tracing everybody

866
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: that they've been around, testing everybody'd been around, to find

867
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: out that you've actually got like a vaccinated outbreak of

868
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: a bunch of people who aren't necessarily even all that sick.

869
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: So you decide to you know that that maybe you

870
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: can still go forward. I don't know. I just think

871
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: that if if they're series about this, there's got to

872
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: be some type of independent um reporting mechanism or testing

873
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 1: mechanism that isn't affiliated with the school, because the incentive

874
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: is going to be to get the game in both

875
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: financially for the school, especially if it's a home game,

876
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: and as well as the coaching staff because every loss

877
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: could be one step closer to being unemployed next year.

878
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: So I just there's incentive to not follow this to

879
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: the letter of the law. Well, dude, somebody does that.

880
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: I genuinely hope they get ratted out and caught because

881
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: if you talk about but at the end of the day,

882
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: guess what, the n C double A is not gonna

883
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: be able to do anything about it? And well, actually no,

884
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: they actually made because no, no, it'll be the conference

885
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: because the n C double A. That's probably outside of

886
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: their per per view too. It would be the university

887
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: that would handle that, probably because I don't think a

888
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: university if they got caught and it was public knowledge,

889
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: there's no way that they could survive or even allow

890
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: the coaches to survive one single solitary day after that,

891
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: right you would think you would think, all right, Uh,

892
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: you guys. The next thing up, we have a special guest.

893
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: We have Mr Clay Helton, head coach of the USC Trojans,

894
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,320
Speaker 1: and I got a chance to interview him this week

895
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: and here's what that sounded like. And now we are

896
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: joined by head football coach for USC football, Mr Clay Hilton, coach.

897
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,319
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, George. Appreciate you, buddy. You got

898
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: me out of the film room and got a breath

899
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: of fresh air for a second, so I appreciate you.

900
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: All right. Well, the first thing I want to ask

901
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: you is is that we have heard time and time again. Uh,

902
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: from coaches and and media members having blow ups. What

903
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: is the proper way to address coach Clay Hilton? Is

904
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:46,479
Speaker 1: it coaches at Clay? How are you supposed to be addressed? Well,

905
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: I'll take anything. It doesn't matter Coach Clay Hilton, it

906
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,839
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. I've been called them all. Matter of fact,

907
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot of times I get called called coach Hilton

908
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: with H I L T O. It's I wish it

909
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: was with it subtimes, but it's within the right right

910
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: right if if if it was with a I, you, uh,

911
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: you'd be making even more already are making at this

912
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: point in time. We've been doing a lot more fishing

913
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: in Gulfing than if it was with the direct now right. Um,

914
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 1: you are at USC and there are obviously lofty expectations.

915
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: They're not expectations to win the Pact twelve championship. They

916
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: are to compete for national championships. Um, how do you

917
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 1: deal with that pressure of that and the expectations of

918
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: the ghosts of the past. Well, we welcome. That's why

919
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: we all came here, whether it's players, coaches, staff, you know,

920
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 1: we all came here to win national championships. Anytime you're

921
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: at a place that has eleven of them, uh and

922
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: has those type of goals, then it's exciting. And you

923
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 1: know there's a standard of excellence at USC that runs

924
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty five years and so each and

925
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: every year you know coming into it, UH that a

926
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Pack twelve championship opens the door to the playoffs, It

927
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: opens the door to the national championship. So yes, you

928
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: do have to take one game at a time. You

929
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 1: do have to go win the PacTel South, then win

930
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: the PacTel Championship that opens the door of the playoffs.

931
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: But you understand exactly what this place is and the

932
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 1: standard that it is, and it is it's national championships

933
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: and we welcome that and that's why we find like

934
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: heck every day for the ability to get there. Well,

935
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: so how do you deal with the criticisms that that

936
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: that naturally come with being a head coach? And any

937
00:56:38,560 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: head coach that's at a prominent school that hasn't won

938
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: a national championship, that pressure does begin to mount. So

939
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: how long have you given yourself to win a national championship?

940
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: And you know, like, what what's your timeline for all

941
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 1: of this? Well, I we look at each and every

942
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: season and championships are there are the goal, and so

943
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: each season we're trying to win that championship every year. Um.

944
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the way we judge things, you know. For me,

945
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: the way I've always handled things is this. I've always

946
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: believed that coaches our job is to win games, to

947
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: graduate our players, and to provide them a great college experience.

948
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: All right. The media's job is to report and to

949
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,400
Speaker 1: give opinion. And if you're winning games, you get great reports,

950
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 1: a great pinions. And if you're losing games and probably

951
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: going the other way, and then the last person of

952
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: the fans and there and they bring the passion to

953
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: the game. And if you're winning games, it's great passion.

954
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: If you're losing games, it's it's probably that passion and

955
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: going the other way, you know. But as a coach,

956
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: and I'm fortunate I've been doing the twenty six years.

957
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: My dad's a forty eight year NFL, you know, NFL

958
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: and college coach. You know, so to be able to

959
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: have grown up and you understand that you don't sit

960
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: in this chair unless you have thick skin. You know,

961
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: you don't worry about other people's opinions. You don't worry

962
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 1: about any um uh uh negativity or anything that may

963
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 1: be coming in. Because your job is to help your

964
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: young men win football games, help them win a championship,

965
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: and that's a full time job. If your focus isn't

966
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: on that, when you're not doing your job, you're not

967
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: helping your kids. So I've never worried about outside noise.

968
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: I've never worried about the expectations because i welcomed them. Uh.

969
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: That's what we expect as coaches, as what we expect

970
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: as players, um and uh. Each and every day you

971
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: just work towards your job and working towards that goal.

972
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: But every year, you know, we're trying to get what

973
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: USC deserves, which is a championship. To win championships, though

974
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: it takes great players. And you guys, after a tough

975
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 1: what was that twenty nineteen recruiting cycle, you guys bounced

976
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: back with the top ten class. What was the difference

977
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: between those two classes? Like, like, how are you able

978
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: to take a jump from the sixties to where two

979
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 1: back to where USC expects to be recruiting? Yeah, you

980
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: know back two years ago, Uh, there was not a

981
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: ton of attrition on our football team. We could only

982
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: sign thirteen men, so that brings you down. You don't

983
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: get a full class. You only signed thirteen because like attrition,

984
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be ranked extremely high plus. We decided

985
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: to focus on the trenches and focus on our big

986
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: men and a lot of time when you signed eleven

987
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: of the thirteen and their big men, it's not a

988
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: very sexy class, but we invested in the in the

989
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: in the trenches, in that offensive line defense plant. Last

990
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 1: year we had the availability to sign a full boat

991
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: and uh we actually signed twenty seven young men, both

992
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: freshmen as well as I thought we did a tremendous

993
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: job in the transfer portal of addressing some immediate needs

994
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: because of having seven young men leave for the NFL

995
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: early after all last year's team. I thought from a

996
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: personnel roster management side, I thought we did a really

997
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: nice job and our and our guys did a tremendous

998
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: job of recruiting. Mike Bone and Brandon saucein I have

999
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: given us tremendous resources in the recruiting department. I thought

1000
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: our staff brought tremen this work ethic editions of a

1001
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: Dante Willsinghams and a Vico Too and a Craig divor

1002
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: really bolstered that recruiting staff. Uh, and you know, all

1003
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden you get increased numbers with increased resources,

1004
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: great work ethic, and don't forget about the production on

1005
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: the fields. You go undefeated in the regular season last

1006
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 1: fall and be able to show your product that that

1007
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: produced a top ten flash. So it was kind of

1008
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: the perfect storm for us all the way. When how

1009
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: do you guys evaluate players when the fans want to

1010
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: see stars? But you're obviously trying to find football players

1011
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: that fit in your scheme and that fit and have

1012
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: the right character to be part of your program. But

1013
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: you just said a Georgia fit. That's the most important

1014
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: thing is when do they fit usc? Do they fit

1015
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: the city of Los Angeles? You know, do they do?

1016
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 1: They fit exactly what we're trying to do schematically and

1017
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: then in trusting your evaluation because stars are nice. Perception

1018
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: is nice. But nobody knew Keaton Sloanus, you know when

1019
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: he was said, nobody knew Sam Rand coming out of

1020
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: I Sam to even play his junior year in high school.

1021
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 1: And so if you're really worried about stars, are not

1022
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: getting the best players? And two people that fit you,

1023
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna end up with a team that's

1024
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: very highly projected but don't fit your system, or maybe

1025
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: there's a player that was maybe unknown, that was a

1026
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: better player. So we've really focused on our evaluation. I'll

1027
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: never forget um having a new chin and ne Wolsa

1028
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite all time players. I remember

1029
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: him as a soaking wet under a ninety two pounds

1030
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: safety and at our body and everybody was like, but what,

1031
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: what why are y'all signing this guy? Well, he just

1032
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: happened to be one of the toughest players that we

1033
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: saw best work ethic, had a frame that was gonna

1034
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: be two hundred and forty pounds. I thought it was

1035
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: gonna be a great linebacker lo and behold, you know

1036
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: he helps us win a packed worlth title and moves

1037
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: on to the charges and does a great job. So

1038
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: it's all about evaluation and trusted that evaluation. You guys

1039
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: were on with USC had football coach Clay Helton. You

1040
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: guys were very aggressive in the transfer portal. Portal. You

1041
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: guys got a couple of guys from Texas, including Jake Smith.

1042
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: What how do you evaluate other players on other people's

1043
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: rosters and when they want to be available, and you know,

1044
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: and choosing which ones to bring in. Yeah, you know

1045
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 1: when one of the things I think all head coaches

1046
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: are going to have to do across the board is

1047
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: that roster management, especially in this one time transfer portal.

1048
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: And for us, we lost a couple of kids that

1049
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: that were graduates to other programs that have been here

1050
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 1: four years and wanted to have the opportunity at bigger roles.

1051
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: We lost some attrition to the NFL. Seven guys to

1052
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,920
Speaker 1: the NFL. And so when you lose like a Michael

1053
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: Pittman and Tyler Vons and Amador I'll say ground over

1054
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,960
Speaker 1: a two year period of time. We have good talent here,

1055
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: but we also felt like there's some veteran leadership that

1056
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: we can bring in and so look to uh, we

1057
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: look to a Katie Mixing manataj Washington and Jake Smith.

1058
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 1: We really found people that felt up fit our culture,

1059
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:20,720
Speaker 1: fit our scheme, and we're looking for a great opportunity

1060
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:24,040
Speaker 1: to play at the highest level. Uh and you know

1061
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 1: that fit was perfect. Now, are we a group that

1062
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: leans totally on the transfer port No? I see this thing,

1063
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, moving forward as kind of I have a

1064
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: lot of respect for Less Sneat at the Rams being

1065
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: here in Los Angeles, and I watched him have a

1066
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: playoff team one year that was right on the custom

1067
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: of of a Super Bowl And he went out after

1068
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: that season and he acquired a Dominican sue, He acquired

1069
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters and acquired to lead and all of a

1070
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: sudden that you look up and they're a super Bowl team,

1071
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: you know. So I look at this as the opportunity

1072
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: even to garner one to two three kids that could

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01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,680
Speaker 1: really help you, you know, to attain those championship dreams

1074
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: and expectations that we have. But at the end of

1075
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 1: the day, we're more a freshman focused group. We're gonna

1076
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: sign freshman and bring him in. But there are sometimes

1077
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,479
Speaker 1: that like this year, that we felt we could really

1078
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: help our football team at a championship level by bringing

1079
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 1: a couple of veterans in. UM. You guys got some

1080
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: tough news recently with with Brue McCoy and that's not

1081
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,959
Speaker 1: just unique to USC. Oregon just had something happened. Even

1082
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: Nick Saban's had things happened with kids at Alabama. How

1083
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: do you balance trying to, you know, for people to

1084
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: have consequences for their actions versus kind of canceling their

1085
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 1: entire career kicking them out of the program. Like, how

1086
01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: do you balance that? Because that's gotta be tough as

1087
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: a coach. Yeah, George, obviously because of proviously laws, I

1088
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: can't talk about Bruce situation and be very respectful. Currently

1089
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: he's he's not in our team activities. Uh. I will

1090
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: say this about USC. I believe that that we signed

1091
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: terrific young men. I do believe that we sigh signed

1092
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 1: young men that UH have big picture aspirations. UH. And

1093
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 1: I believe that our guys have big dreams and to

1094
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: be able to get to those treams that you educate

1095
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: young men as as hard as you can as coaches,

1096
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,640
Speaker 1: all of us across the board. And that's I love

1097
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: this profession because we get to take the eighteen to

1098
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: twenty one year old. It kind of puts your final

1099
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: stamp before they go off into the real world, the

1100
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: professional world. And one of the biggest things that and

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01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: I have a I have an eighteen year old son,

1102
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: and I tell I tell my son all the time,

1103
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: don't ever sacrifice what you want most in life for

1104
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: one poor decision or one moment you know, and you

1105
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: see it a lot across the board, whether it's high

1106
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: school kids, whether it's a college kids, even in the

1107
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: NFL with grown men sometimes. Um, but that that's the

1108
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: main message I teached my own, my own children, and

1109
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: try to teach my hundred and ten adopted sons that

1110
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: are that are also on this team. So you know, UM,

1111
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: it's something that I think that you look at it

1112
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: from a father's eyes and try to educate each and

1113
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: every one of your players as like a father. I

1114
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 1: have a question, is uh USC is obviously a huge name,

1115
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: all of these things. Everybody wants to beat or be

1116
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: USC on some level. But you guys have some serious rivals.

1117
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: You have the Notre Dame rivalry, the u c l

1118
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: A rivalry, Oregon in USC's heated up a lot, Stanford

1119
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 1: in USC. Which one is the most important game every

1120
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: single year? Or and and who's the biggest rival the

1121
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: next one? The next one? I tell you what, Georgan,

1122
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: you know what really taught me last year and really

1123
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: re emphasized for me as we were going through, um,

1124
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: everything I mean from last year, from whether it was COVID,

1125
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 1: whether it was social issues, just the adversity that was

1126
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: going on, you know, across the board in our country,

1127
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:22,439
Speaker 1: and how how much that adversity helped our football team.

1128
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 1: And really we had to stay focused each and every

1129
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: week just to make it to the game, you know,

1130
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 1: and and doing being the toughness and the discipline and

1131
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 1: doing the things together that needed to be done just

1132
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: to play on Saturday. Then having the middle focus of

1133
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: just prepping for that game, and that that mindset that

1134
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: our kids took, I think was really a benefit to them.

1135
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: Um and I looked up and all of a sudden,

1136
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: we run the table in the regular season and put

1137
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,080
Speaker 1: ourselves in the Pact or title game. You know. It's

1138
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: something that I think as you talk rivalries, yes, we

1139
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: have some great ones, you know, I think we have

1140
01:07:57,080 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: one of the most unique ones. And thus first U C.

1141
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 1: L A. You know, usually you talk about rivalries and

1142
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 1: they're maybe one in one city in another city, or

1143
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: maybe state to state. I mean, we lived together right here,

1144
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 1: you know, right here in town. We recruit we recruit

1145
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 1: all these kids, and we've known them since they were

1146
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:20,799
Speaker 1: six seventh grade. And you're talking about two academic universities

1147
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: right here in the same town. They love to compete

1148
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: against each other, so that's a unique wide rivalry. One

1149
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,560
Speaker 1: of my favorite all time games is having the opportunity

1150
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: to go to South Bend and you know, to have

1151
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: that opportunity watch USC versus Notre Dame, whether it's in

1152
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: the coliseum or at the Golden Dome. I mean, it's

1153
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 1: there's some special rivalries and we've had some grow too.

1154
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: I think. You know, when you talk about Stanford and

1155
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: the job David Shaw does, Kyle Whittingham, and you talk

1156
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 1: and the physicality that that game brings, you know, her

1157
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,559
Speaker 1: her Edwards coming into Eriesota State and in the last

1158
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: two three games have been gone right down, right down

1159
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 1: to the wire. You know, we have to do a

1160
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: great job because our resume and what we have to do.

1161
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: And every year nine conference games uh this year UH

1162
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 1: Notre Dame on the road, UH b y U San Jose.

1163
01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:11,560
Speaker 1: That's three nine conference games that all were top teams

1164
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: last year. You better treat each one like their rivalry

1165
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: and treat each one like they're a championship game, because

1166
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: if not, you're gonna get your puffy UH coach. Speaking

1167
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: of Arizona State, they have been in the news recently

1168
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: and I got a chance to talk to coach that

1169
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,640
Speaker 1: David Shaw the other day, and he's been very outspoken

1170
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: about his displeasure with the things that happened with recruiting

1171
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: and during during the pandemic. And being around coaches, I've

1172
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,640
Speaker 1: noticed that fairness is big on them, like they like,

1173
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 1: don't give anybody an advantage, and we will, you know,

1174
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 1: and will will let the cards fall where they may.

1175
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 1: What have you how have you felt? Because because I

1176
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,200
Speaker 1: know that people have gotten quotes from from coaches, a

1177
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: lot of them have been off the record. If you

1178
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 1: have any comment about what has happened and transpired with

1179
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: some some schools that did break the rules during the pandemic. Yeah,

1180
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, as far as being a head coach, um,

1181
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: you know, one of our job is that one of

1182
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:17,400
Speaker 1: our responsibilities, our major responsibilities, to provide a culture of compliance.

1183
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: Uh not only win games, but it's our duty as

1184
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: college coaches to provide that culture of compliance. I'm very

1185
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 1: fortunate to be at USC for twelve years and to

1186
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,760
Speaker 1: watch a guy named Dave Roberts who did a tremendous

1187
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: job here compliance wise of setting up an organization that

1188
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: I think is elite and lives as an example on

1189
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: a day to day basis. And I think that's our

1190
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 1: responsibility across the board as far as coaches is not

1191
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 1: only to win, but to win the right way. Um.

1192
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 1: And and and to remember that in each and every

1193
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,719
Speaker 1: we all have last names, and representing your last name

1194
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 1: and your father's last name and your family's last name

1195
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 1: is an important thing. But also to teach own people.

1196
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 1: You know that doing the right thing is not always easy,

1197
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: but it's always right, you know. So, um, our job

1198
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: is as coaches, you know, to have that culture compliance

1199
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 1: to make sure things are are are right, uh and

1200
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: doing and doing things the right way. So when you

1201
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: do Hostet Trophy up and that's gonna be my favorite

1202
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: time in life that you hold that trophy up and

1203
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, man, we just won a national championship and

1204
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,840
Speaker 1: we did it the right way. I mean, that's a

1205
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 1: that's a special thing. And I think that's the responsibility

1206
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: of all coaches across the coach. The final question for you,

1207
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: coach is you guys are doing some good things with boulevards,

1208
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: studios and name, image and likeness. And we've seen you know,

1209
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: kids leave high school early like quenne or is going

1210
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: to Ohio State. Nick Saban says that their headquach that

1211
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: their quarterback Bryce Young is near a million dollars in

1212
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: in endorsements. Where where are the USC guys at in

1213
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 1: this process and what kind of deals are they getting

1214
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: right now? You know, I've never believed in talking about

1215
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: another man's business. I let them, let them do that.

1216
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 1: But the one thing that I am appreciative of we

1217
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: hear at USC knew that this wasn't an If it

1218
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 1: was a win, the name, image and likeness was gonna happen.

1219
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: So we have been extremely proactive and reactive, especially over

1220
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: the last two years. You mentioned one of our One

1221
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 1: of the things where we were proactive our merger with

1222
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: j one S. Creating both of our studios to produce

1223
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: media content you know, for our players and support them

1224
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: in building their platform was a huge piece of the

1225
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: puzzle for us UH in moving forward. We really felt,

1226
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:39,639
Speaker 1: you know, there was three areas you needed to help

1227
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 1: kids out. One was with support, UH. Two was with

1228
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 1: education and bringing all to us in and bringing able

1229
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: to educate our players on what representation should look like,

1230
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 1: as well as making the right choices on what you

1231
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: want to represent as far as products and things to

1232
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,160
Speaker 1: make sure that it's done. The right way and you're

1233
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: not setting yourself up for failure later is an important

1234
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 1: piece of this. And then third the compliance of it.

1235
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 1: So you know, about two years ago we saw this

1236
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: on the horizon. We knew that we were going to

1237
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: have a tremendous advantage that you're talking about the number

1238
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: one college media market in the country, the number two

1239
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: overall media market in the country. Uh, this is a

1240
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:22,600
Speaker 1: pro city, a championship city, and a ton of opportunities

1241
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: which our kids have taken advantage of already. Um, So

1242
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:29,520
Speaker 1: I thought we did a tremendous job as a university

1243
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 1: said Okay, hey, we're gonna come in here and make

1244
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,519
Speaker 1: sure that we're supporting our kids with content. We're gonna

1245
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 1: make sure that we're educating them so they don't get

1246
01:13:36,840 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 1: bad deals, and then we're gonna make sure that compliance wise,

1247
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: they're always protected as we go through this dame image

1248
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,719
Speaker 1: and likeness, and I appreciate my bone brand of SASNA,

1249
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: our administrators for setting those in those resources in for

1250
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: us to be able to manage it. You guys, he

1251
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: is head coach of the USC Trojans. Mr Clay Helton coach.

1252
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: Hopefully you guys have a great season. Thank you guys

1253
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,480
Speaker 1: for coming on. Continued success in the future against everybody

1254
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 1: except my Oregan Ducks. Sounds good, George. All right, So, Ralph,

1255
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: what did you think about Clay Hilton? That was a

1256
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:21,679
Speaker 1: frustrating interview? George? Yes, dude, I was like, oh my god,

1257
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: will he answer a question? But but like I thought,

1258
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 1: he did a good job of answering the questions. But

1259
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,080
Speaker 1: the thing that frustrated me, I was like, bro, he's

1260
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: the nicest man in the whole world, Like, how can

1261
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: you did? Like, there's no way to dislike Clay Clay Elton.

1262
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 1: He was so nice and so genuine that it made

1263
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: me and that it made me question my own self

1264
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: because I was like, why is the fact that he's

1265
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: so nice and actually being genuine and kind of you know,

1266
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to offend people all of this stuff?

1267
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: Why is this bothering me? I think part of it

1268
01:14:57,560 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: is you and I could probably both recognize that a

1269
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 1: lot of people give filler answers so that they're not

1270
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 1: tipping their hand or they're not um upsetting the apple

1271
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: cart or anything like that. And I think the most

1272
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: frustrating thing about Clay Hilton is he gave the answers

1273
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: that he was actually gonna give. He's like the nicest

1274
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: guy in the world, and he's not concerned with flash

1275
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: or glitz or glamor or other people and what they're

1276
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,679
Speaker 1: involved in. He just likes being the head coach of USC,

1277
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: like showing up to work every single day and they're

1278
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: trying to win. And that's that's that. And I think

1279
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 1: that that is part of the double edged sword of

1280
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:43,040
Speaker 1: being a USC fan right now is recognizing that you

1281
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 1: basically when asking for Clay Hilton to lose his job,

1282
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: are asking for Mr Rogers to get evicted. And it's like,

1283
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: and he consistently does things that make it tough on

1284
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:02,679
Speaker 1: you to get rid of him. It is he signed

1285
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: a top ten recruiting class last year. Recruiting is going

1286
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: pretty good this year, except for the a lineman part

1287
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: of it. They went undefeated in the regular season, which

1288
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: he says, you know, we went undefeated in the regular season.

1289
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is this is USC. Even if you

1290
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: go undefeated in the regular season, you know, you can

1291
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: still be in trouble with the fans. And it's like, yeah,

1292
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:30,680
Speaker 1: but you gotta win the back told Championship, right, And

1293
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: so this was a huge departure from the way David

1294
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 1: Shaw was on the last podcast. Right, yes, David Shaw

1295
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 1: speaks as though he is authentically representing himself with the

1296
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 1: understanding that he represents Stanford University, but he is still

1297
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 1: an individual with mental autonomy and everything like that. Clay

1298
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: Helton talks like somebody who is part usc Like it

1299
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: is like his his mom was Irish Catholic and his

1300
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: dad was a you the actual mascot. He's not He's

1301
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:28,559
Speaker 1: not going to speak ill of like he it's company line.

1302
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time he believes that he lives it,

1303
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: he breathes it um and when he says stuff like

1304
01:17:35,040 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, we have eleven national championships, there should

1305
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: be no other expectation than winning. You know, part of

1306
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: you is like but if you believe that, then maybe

1307
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: you would be dissatisfied with your current um. See that's

1308
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 1: a legitimate question, right is that is that? You know? Like,

1309
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,759
Speaker 1: that's I think the part that I wanted to hear

1310
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:04,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of fire about the current situation and

1311
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:09,479
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of dissatisfaction and you know, we're

1312
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna do something different. Because David Shaw, who had had

1313
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: a lot of success at Stanford hasn't had the same

1314
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:18,880
Speaker 1: success in the last couple of seasons. But you see

1315
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: him out and you hear him, he's a little more

1316
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 1: aggressive with yes, we're coming back, we're fixing this, blah

1317
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:29,679
Speaker 1: blah blah like and that was a difference. And Um

1318
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: and I asked him about Brew Brew McCoy and kind

1319
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: of how you handle you know, how you decide when

1320
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: to bring a player back if they get in trouble

1321
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 1: all of that, and the answer he gave me it

1322
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't apply to anything. So I was I appreciated his

1323
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: time and I liked him as a guy. I also

1324
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:55,599
Speaker 1: didn't take very much away in terms of answers I got. Yeah, yeah,

1325
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 1: I did. One non answer that he gave I found

1326
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, and that was when you asked him

1327
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 1: what they're doing as far as getting people UM prep

1328
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: for n I L and how the kids they're making money,

1329
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: and he brought up the partnership that they had everything

1330
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: like that, But he did not go the Knick Saban route.

1331
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 1: He said he's going to stay out of the people's

1332
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: business and other people's money, like he's not worried about

1333
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,639
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. And that was probably the answer, Yeah,

1334
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 1: but I think, yes, I want to take that opportunity

1335
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: to maybe promote Yeah, but maybe he's just operating with

1336
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: the ultimate confidence that like USC's USC, we're gonna get

1337
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 1: who we get. And the crazy thing right now is

1338
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: even with the ultimate like lack of I don't say

1339
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: lack of success, but with with the success being underwhelming

1340
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 1: based on their history, which is I think something Clay

1341
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: Helton would agree with outright. Um, they have had some

1342
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: good things happen. I think that they should be extremely

1343
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: disappointed with how slept on their wide receivers are by

1344
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,000
Speaker 1: NFL scouts, especially in running the air raid. When you're

1345
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:12,440
Speaker 1: putting more stuff like that on film, Like, it's inexcusable

1346
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:15,240
Speaker 1: for me that I'm on st Brown and and uh

1347
01:20:15,560 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: Almant ross At Brown and Tyler Bonds and um, who's

1348
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 1: the guy with the Colts um oh um Pittman, Yeah, yeah,

1349
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 1: Michael Pittman and all those guys weren't drafted higher because

1350
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: that's the actual caliber of player that they are and

1351
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: everybody who's a packed twelveth fan knows it. But then again,

1352
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 1: their offensive line is not really doing anything positive. When

1353
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: he's got back to back years with first round picks.

1354
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:42,800
Speaker 1: So maybe it's not completely dependent upon um, what you're

1355
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: doing within your program, just based on team team needs

1356
01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 1: and the combine and evaluations and everything like that. But

1357
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: you know, they're falling short. I believe in the wind

1358
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 1: totals and packed twealth titles and competing for national championships,

1359
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:55,720
Speaker 1: being part of the playoff. Um, you know, so I

1360
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: think he's able to recognize that they're falling short in

1361
01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: all those areas. But even though they're falling short in

1362
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: all those areas, they're pretty much dominating as far as

1363
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 1: PacTel South recruiting, and the only team that's really giving

1364
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,600
Speaker 1: them any hell inside the Pac twelve as far as

1365
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:11,840
Speaker 1: recruiting is Oregon. And even that's probably if we're being honest,

1366
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 1: at battle between those two schools, they have the advantage

1367
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,240
Speaker 1: of being in l A. They're doing enough right that

1368
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: the whole thing is they are escaping by the skin

1369
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: of their teeth repeatedly, And um, I don't know. It's

1370
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: like a baseball player that goes three for twenty with

1371
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: three game winning home runs, like, yeah, well, let's talk

1372
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: about the other seventeen times that Eastern you know, But

1373
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't know the whole thing is super interesting to me.

1374
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 1: I still think and you you and I think are

1375
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 1: on different pages here, But I still think he goes

1376
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,680
Speaker 1: into this season with the most talented quarterback, with the

1377
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 1: most talented receiving corps um even with we just got

1378
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: the terrible news that Jake Smith is out for the year.

1379
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: So you mean to tell me that they're gonna lose

1380
01:21:54,640 --> 01:22:00,640
Speaker 1: Jake Smith, that the transfer from Texas, Brew McCoy and

1381
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: Drake London all by himself is gonna have the is

1382
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 1: making up the best wide receiver corps in the in

1383
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: the conference. Except it's not. Except it's not gonna be

1384
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,160
Speaker 1: Drake London by himself. And you know that because they

1385
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 1: added six ft six tight end Malcolm x from Apps

1386
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: from Texas. They added Taj Washington from Memphis, who tends

1387
01:22:21,960 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: to them they are there. Tell that to Drake London,

1388
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: who plays the hyperd a tight end. He's not a

1389
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: tight end. He's gonna go through the NFL as a

1390
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: wide receiver. I think people are gonna use the blueprint though,

1391
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,280
Speaker 1: of what Florida was able to do last year and

1392
01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: try to create mismatches. And when you have um, when

1393
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: you have Malcolm Epps on your team, and he's six

1394
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 1: ft six and he's fast. I know he's battling turf

1395
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: toe right now. But at the same time, like when

1396
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,559
Speaker 1: you have him on your team, you might be able

1397
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 1: to create some mismatch problems based on his speed. He

1398
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,960
Speaker 1: won't be in there to block, He'll only be near

1399
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: to create mismassage. We know that Katie Nixon's the top

1400
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: five receiver in the Pac twelve from the body of

1401
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: work that he put together at University of Colorado. Well

1402
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 1: now he's at USC as well. We know that Taj

1403
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,799
Speaker 1: Washington is one of the best group of five receivers

1404
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: in the country. Well now he's at USC. Then that's

1405
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: not to mention some of the recruits that they brought

1406
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,839
Speaker 1: in over the last few years. Um Gary Bryant amongst

1407
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,160
Speaker 1: the top of who who you know a s U

1408
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: fans and Oregon fans were super disappointed that he didn't

1409
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 1: end up where in their school colors. They also have

1410
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:21,600
Speaker 1: Kyle Ford, um who who they believe is going to

1411
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 1: be one of the better players. And then you know

1412
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,360
Speaker 1: red shirt senior super duper senior Josh follow who's a

1413
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: six ft six, two fifty pound tight end that they're

1414
01:23:29,760 --> 01:23:33,639
Speaker 1: hoping will create some type of UM matchup problem. There's

1415
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: still very stacked at receiver. UM. The offensive line is

1416
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: going to have to have some guys who are below

1417
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 1: the usual caliber that they have step up and make

1418
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: sure that they're protected, protecting s Keidan Slovia's. And then

1419
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: on the defensive end, you you you have to admit

1420
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: that there are probably three players on this defense that

1421
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: would be amongst the top eleven in the entire Pack

1422
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 1: twelve if you were to put together an all Pack

1423
01:23:57,880 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: twelve defense just talent alone, uh, even talent and production.

1424
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 1: So you can throw Chris yeah, so so who would

1425
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 1: you put on that list? Obviously Drake Jackson? Drake Jackson. UM,

1426
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:18,080
Speaker 1: I think that Greg Johnson and um Isaiah polam Out

1427
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 1: as a douce. You have a love affair with the

1428
01:24:21,080 --> 01:24:25,479
Speaker 1: Isaiah po polom Out. I don't understand it. I do

1429
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: not understand. He's he's only gay, He's not He's really good,

1430
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: He's okay. He's a six ft four over two hundred

1431
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 1: pound safety. Who who in lad the team? In fumble recoveries.

1432
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: Fumble recoveries are not a dude. Fumble recoveries are probably

1433
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:48,880
Speaker 1: the most overrated stat there there, he got the ball

1434
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: back for them. He got the ball back. No, the

1435
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 1: person who got the ball back. Fumble fumbles caused matter

1436
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: more than fumble recoveries, like you like, would you agree

1437
01:24:59,439 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: that interception are important? Yes? Okay? When he is the

1438
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: most for them over the last two years combined. Okay,

1439
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 1: would you agree that for a lowsir, he reminds me

1440
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 1: of Bubba Bolden from he is not Bubba Bubba and

1441
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 1: his far better than he is Bubba Bolden. Bubba Bolden

1442
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:20,200
Speaker 1: physically is a little more gifted than Isaiah pull him

1443
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: out bold And I don't know, dude, Bubba Bubba Bolden

1444
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,559
Speaker 1: is just okay too. Like he's not a fantastic player,

1445
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 1: Bubba Bolden. He looks really great on paper. And when

1446
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 1: you see him last last year, granted this year he

1447
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 1: could prove something completely different. He was not like a

1448
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:42,759
Speaker 1: sure fire NFL safety last year. And and Bubba Bolden.

1449
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 1: And that's what I see when I say Isaiah pull

1450
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 1: him pulled him out. I think he's a good player.

1451
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 1: I think he's solid. I don't look at him and

1452
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: I'm not like, oh damn, this kid is blow my

1453
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 1: doors off. He But that's because you're probably thinking of,

1454
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: you know of his is relative out there. He's not

1455
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 1: Troy Paula Mallo. He's not. He's not like NFL first

1456
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,800
Speaker 1: round pick good. But he's he's packed twelve defense good.

1457
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: He he has some of the best hands of any

1458
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: defensive back in the Pack twelve. He has some of

1459
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 1: the best size of any defensive back in the Pack twelve.

1460
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 1: And he's got like eleven tackles for a loss in

1461
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: his career. He gets with weird players, dude, what are

1462
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: you talking about safety for the second most talented team

1463
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: in the Pack twelve. Do we we just fall in

1464
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,880
Speaker 1: love with different players and now you hate weird players.

1465
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:39,759
Speaker 1: You hate Travis Dye for no reason. I don't hate

1466
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:44,640
Speaker 1: Travis Die, dude. I just don't think he's spaking. I

1467
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,759
Speaker 1: think I think he's good. He's just not a special

1468
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 1: running back. He's not. You think that Travis Dye belongs

1469
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 1: in that like running back by committee thing that University

1470
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 1: of Washington has going. You don't think he should be

1471
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 1: a starter, He's not. He's not a starter at Oregon's

1472
01:27:04,080 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 1: not all that tell that to all the defenses that

1473
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 1: he made look stupid last year. I'm not saying he's

1474
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: not a good place. So so here here is what

1475
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think you hate the fact. I

1476
01:27:14,160 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: genuine think you think the fact twelve is straight garbage

1477
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:23,799
Speaker 1: except for Oregon. And and the expectation is that Oregon

1478
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,000
Speaker 1: destroys these other garbage teams and you're not going to

1479
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: be impressed unless they actually do it against teams that

1480
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 1: are out of conference and also part of the Power five.

1481
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:38,120
Speaker 1: That's my just based on our Travis die conversations alone. No, dude,

1482
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 1: I'm just okay. If you look at Oregon's running back history,

1483
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 1: you look at Ruben Drones, Maurice Morris, Ontario Smith, um

1484
01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: uh Uh Steward, you look at Michael James um uh

1485
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: the Royce Freeman, and wasn't a huge Royce Freeman fan

1486
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: in terms of on on on the field. I thought

1487
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: he was good. I didn't think he was like super special. Right, So,

1488
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 1: and all of those guys have were NFL guys and

1489
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: you look at the like those were all special running

1490
01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,800
Speaker 1: backs at Oregon, right. I don't think that Travis Dye

1491
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:23,400
Speaker 1: has that special ability because he doesn't have home run

1492
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 1: hitting speed and he's so light in the ass or

1493
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 1: or had been, he can't hold up in in protection.

1494
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: It's like he's a good he's a good player on

1495
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 1: your on your team, but he's not like yo, Like

1496
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: he's not Travis E. T N. He's not you know,

1497
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:46,160
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush. He's not Lynndale White. He's not um the

1498
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 1: uh okay? Do you do? You know who I thought

1499
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: was special last last year until he fumbled three times

1500
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,280
Speaker 1: in the last game. The the kid from Arizona. Who

1501
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 1: who I told you after the first game? What did

1502
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 1: I say the first game? You said that he is

1503
01:29:01,400 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: an NFL player? Yes? Right, yes? And then if he

1504
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: didn't fumble those last three games, he would have got

1505
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: drafted even higher. And he was one of the first

1506
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: or the first running back drafted out of the pack twelve.

1507
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: And I saw it, So I know what I'm looking

1508
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:21,479
Speaker 1: at and and like, I just don't see Travis Die

1509
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: is a special player. I think he's good. I like

1510
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: him on my team. We don't have a special back

1511
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,800
Speaker 1: that we've seen at this point. Like, I don't think

1512
01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: that c. J. Verdale has showed himself as special. I

1513
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: think he showed himself as a really good band but

1514
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: not special. Let me let me be able to hate

1515
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 1: on my team's two thousand yards six yards and Carrie

1516
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: Rusher six receiving touchdowns and thirteen yards of catch. Let me, please,

1517
01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 1: please Lord hear me the ability to hate to hate

1518
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 1: on my team's incoming senior with hundred yards of offense

1519
01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,600
Speaker 1: and eleven touchdowns. Let me have that blessing to be

1520
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: able to Oh, oh my god, don't even get me

1521
01:30:03,000 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: on Johnny Johnson. Good God. First of all, First of all,

1522
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,360
Speaker 1: if your team ever figured out how to use Johnny Johnson,

1523
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: you guys would be competing for a college football playoff spot. No,

1524
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: it's so dude, No, no, no, no, I was joking

1525
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:22,040
Speaker 1: about Johnny Johnny. I think I think he saw it too,

1526
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: So I don't. I can't imagine not even liking the

1527
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 1: players on my own team. I do like them. When

1528
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: you're talking about nor any of the players in the

1529
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:34,720
Speaker 1: conference that I have a podcast that that covers them,

1530
01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 1: How don't I like the players on my team? I

1531
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 1: like them. They they helped win football game. Name two

1532
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:47,280
Speaker 1: players in the Pact twelve that you like. That's too

1533
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: much time in between them. I mean it's it's it's easy.

1534
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:59,599
Speaker 1: Came on them, okay, Drake Jackson Okay, Drake London. Um Uh,

1535
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: Jaden Delora okay, Uh, Chase Garber's all right? I like Um.

1536
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,599
Speaker 1: I like Jaden Daniels. I think he's got a shot.

1537
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm not sold yet, but he's got a shot. Like

1538
01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:23,680
Speaker 1: that in terms of being the NFL guy, like like,

1539
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,760
Speaker 1: I think he's got a shot. You know, like that

1540
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 1: a lot. Last year we're not sure what we saw.

1541
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: The wide receivers were super young, so you know, like

1542
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 1: this this year is the year that will know where

1543
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 1: where where he's at, whether he is Jade Daniels special

1544
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 1: guy or he's just like the last guy who just left. Okay,

1545
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're all gonna you're gonna throw a Seuel

1546
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 1: in there, probably of course. No, dude, Noah Sue is

1547
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 1: probably my favorite player in the conference right now. Deserves it. Yeah,

1548
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:03,720
Speaker 1: um and uh. There are always some Utah players I like. Um.

1549
01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: I like the run running back, the kid who accidentally

1550
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: killed himself. I was a fan of I like him. Yeah,

1551
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,200
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot, dude, I thought he was special.

1552
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: Um at the University of Washington. I like the kid

1553
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:21,920
Speaker 1: who gotta hurt z z zfl of His name is um.

1554
01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: Fun fact Jimmie Lake says he's playing this year, okay,

1555
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: in the regular season, that he will be back maybe

1556
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,240
Speaker 1: in time for your rivalry game. Okay, cool. See how

1557
01:32:31,320 --> 01:32:34,600
Speaker 1: much like him? Then good? Bring him, bring bring him on,

1558
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Bring on anybody that you want to bring on. UM's

1559
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 1: so that I mean, you've named eight players out of

1560
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: thousand twenties scholarship players. So that's point zero zero eight

1561
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 1: percent of back twelve that you like. All Right. So

1562
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,559
Speaker 1: we were talking about Clay Helton and the Clay Healton

1563
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,880
Speaker 1: interview and you were sad, almost in tears because you

1564
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:01,639
Speaker 1: found out that Jake Smith is gonna out for the year.

1565
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 1: Because this is this is another player. We were talking

1566
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:07,759
Speaker 1: about him the other day and I asked Clay Hilton

1567
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: about him, and you have been caping for Jake Smith,

1568
01:33:11,680 --> 01:33:14,640
Speaker 1: like you like this, this is this is what? And

1569
01:33:14,720 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 1: then my immediate response was he's got to be from Arizona.

1570
01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: He is from scott Tal, Arizona. Yes, I love your loyalty.

1571
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: I love your loyalty. Alright, alright, so he's from scott Seal, Arizona.

1572
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: I went to a game is uh junior year where

1573
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: he was actually Keith and Slovis was the backup quarterback

1574
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: on the other side, and they got backed up into

1575
01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:40,639
Speaker 1: their own end zone, and they ran a counter out

1576
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,960
Speaker 1: of the end zone and they handed the ball off

1577
01:33:43,000 --> 01:33:46,000
Speaker 1: to him. He had a ninety nine yard touchdown run

1578
01:33:46,240 --> 01:33:49,320
Speaker 1: in which he finished thirty yards away from everybody else.

1579
01:33:50,200 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 1: Like he's he's got the quickest first step of maybe

1580
01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,760
Speaker 1: anybody in the Pac twelve outsider Sean Dollars, like just

1581
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: just explosive acceleration. An gets to the top speed immediately,

1582
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: and he's got really good hands. He's a cross player,

1583
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:06,640
Speaker 1: and I got this theory about lacrosse players that they

1584
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: just really really know how to find space and avoid contact. Um,

1585
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,919
Speaker 1: and he has I think he had like nine touchdowns

1586
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:15,640
Speaker 1: in his first two years at Texas, but he's got

1587
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:17,800
Speaker 1: foot issues and now he's gonna be out for the year.

1588
01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:20,360
Speaker 1: I thought he could do some really special things. Um,

1589
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 1: if they can create space in that offense, get them

1590
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,080
Speaker 1: on some short routes and let him go. But I

1591
01:34:25,200 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 1: still think that with with what they have left that there, UM,

1592
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: they've got the most talented UH group of receivers, even

1593
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 1: without Brue McCoy and and Um and Jake Smith. I

1594
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,680
Speaker 1: genuinely believe that. I don't think they're gonna win the

1595
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:43,559
Speaker 1: PAC twelve South, but uh, I do feel that they

1596
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 1: are very good. I think do they have Oregon this year? Who? USC? Yeah? No,

1597
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 1: U c l A has USC. Okay, I can't remember

1598
01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: who I had them losing to. I had them losing

1599
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 1: to I think Arizona State and Notre Dame. I had

1600
01:34:55,720 --> 01:34:58,559
Speaker 1: them going ten and two. So I do feel really good,

1601
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,040
Speaker 1: and I who knows if that will be an have

1602
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:04,679
Speaker 1: to keep Clay outing on hypothetically, But how many wins

1603
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 1: do you think it's gonna take to to keep him on?

1604
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: And what particular wins because I think that it's probably

1605
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: good for him that they don't have Oregon because they

1606
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: haven't beat Oregon anytime recently. I don't, I don't. I

1607
01:35:18,080 --> 01:35:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think so, um that the Notre Dame, U c

1608
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: l A, Stanford. So so what what do you think

1609
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:31,280
Speaker 1: their record needs to be? And then in those three games,

1610
01:35:31,400 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 1: what do they need to do? They have to at

1611
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:38,000
Speaker 1: least be if you're including U c l A, I

1612
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: would say one and two. If you're not including U

1613
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: c l A, then they gotta win against Stanford and

1614
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,920
Speaker 1: UM and Notre Dame I would say two in one regardless.

1615
01:35:50,080 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 1: I think they will so any combination of two win

1616
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 1: one in those in those games, and he's in good shame.

1617
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: So long as they get to ten wins on the season.

1618
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,559
Speaker 1: Like I said, I have them losing to Notre Dame

1619
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:02,840
Speaker 1: in ariz the State. That's that's where I currently have

1620
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,840
Speaker 1: them at all, right, but a lot of their games

1621
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: are gonna be unnecessarily close just because of the way

1622
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: that they play. Okay, so what do you think about

1623
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:17,439
Speaker 1: Marquis Step their former running back, and what he had

1624
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 1: to say tell them? To tell them what Marquis step

1625
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 1: had to say about Clay Holton. Obviously he was not

1626
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: a fan of being in that offense because he's a

1627
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: running back. And he's not the only running back who

1628
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:30,760
Speaker 1: made a comment about the air raid this week. Max

1629
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Borgie also said that it was very frustrating to play

1630
01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 1: in Mike Leach's offense and he used to publicly beg

1631
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: for more carries anyway, So we knew that about Max Borgi. Um,

1632
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,320
Speaker 1: but Marquis step said he likes being at Nebraska where

1633
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: he's going to be in contention to get a lot

1634
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: of carries out there this year because they have a

1635
01:36:46,439 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 1: gritty offense under Scott Frost, and he said USC's offense,

1636
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: where they threw fifty times a game, was flamboyant. That's

1637
01:36:54,520 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: the word he used, flamboyant. What do you think of that? That?

1638
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 1: That sounds like a real ice way of saying soft,

1639
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,559
Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like. That And but that's kind

1640
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: of been the criticism is that u c l A's

1641
01:37:07,960 --> 01:37:11,919
Speaker 1: history is putting out great running backs and being physical

1642
01:37:12,120 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 1: running the football, and now they're in this air raid thing,

1643
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:20,840
Speaker 1: which I have consistently said is a gimmick offense that

1644
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: is designed for teams that don't have as much talent

1645
01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:31,040
Speaker 1: as USC to keep up with USC. And now USC

1646
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: is running it, and I think it's a strategic error

1647
01:37:34,360 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 1: because air raid teams, when it comes down to running

1648
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,600
Speaker 1: the football, when you need to run the football, and

1649
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,599
Speaker 1: everybody in the stadium knows you need to run the football,

1650
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:47,200
Speaker 1: you can't run it where That's why they can't run

1651
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:50,479
Speaker 1: it on short yardage. They can run it because if

1652
01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 1: you notice USC piles up rushing yards in the you

1653
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 1: know after when they're in like two minute situations and

1654
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:03,639
Speaker 1: the team is defending heavily against the past, like that's

1655
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: when they pile up their rushing yards. It's not when

1656
01:38:07,560 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 1: people when it's you know, first and ten on their

1657
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:14,040
Speaker 1: own thirty. No, they have trouble running the football consistently.

1658
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 1: It's when they get in must pass situations and then

1659
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: they can run the football very effectively. So yeah, Um,

1660
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really tough until Graham Harrold

1661
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,719
Speaker 1: gets his head coaching job or you know, I'm assuming

1662
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:38,120
Speaker 1: that that's the ultimate goal. Um, it's gonna be tough

1663
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 1: while they run this offense for them to be able

1664
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:44,799
Speaker 1: to get anybody in here, especially out of high school

1665
01:38:45,080 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: who is considered a high level running back, because they're

1666
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 1: not Were they looking at five six touches of game

1667
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 1: by year four? Yep? You know, I just don't. I

1668
01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:01,160
Speaker 1: don't know. Who do they get? They got one. They

1669
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:04,639
Speaker 1: got a fourth star out of Houston UM in last

1670
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: year's recruiting class, and that was fascinating to me because

1671
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: he had offers from pretty much everybody, and you know,

1672
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Texas and Alabama and Auburn and all that, chose to

1673
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,400
Speaker 1: go to USC out of Houston, Texas. His name is

1674
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,559
Speaker 1: Brandon Campbell, and that they're putting a lot of eggs

1675
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: in that basket. I mean, he's you know, he will

1676
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:28,639
Speaker 1: see if he even gets any any touches this year.

1677
01:39:28,680 --> 01:39:31,240
Speaker 1: But they need to show these recruits out there that

1678
01:39:31,560 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 1: they're willing to get you some touches period. Yep. And

1679
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:42,599
Speaker 1: it's not just touches, its quality of yes of touches

1680
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: as well. Um. All right. The next thing up is

1681
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 1: Ralph mentioned the name and it's funny because I saw

1682
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: this article tweeted out and it's about this guy named

1683
01:39:56,360 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 1: Paul Wolfe, who I didn't know who who he us.

1684
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:06,240
Speaker 1: He's a former Washington State player and he also um

1685
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: was a Washington State head coach as well for a

1686
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:16,439
Speaker 1: little while. Long time assistant and Adam Rittenberg had written

1687
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 1: an article and I remember I favored it it because

1688
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:21,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to read it, and then I forgot to

1689
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: read it, and then Ralph was like, Yo, did you

1690
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:28,519
Speaker 1: read this article about Paul wolf And I just thought

1691
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: it was absolutely incredible read because the title was already great.

1692
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 1: It was I Found your mom the mystery that led

1693
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 1: a college football coach. Um to yeah, a mystery with

1694
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: the college football coach, And I was like, whoa, that

1695
01:40:49,240 --> 01:40:51,479
Speaker 1: was crazy. So Ralph, I'll let you fill them in

1696
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:58,160
Speaker 1: on his story. Yeah. So, UM, Kyle Bonnagera had tweeted

1697
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: out that he was really thankful to every but he

1698
01:41:00,240 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 1: involved with this story. He's a good dude, and I

1699
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:03,960
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I read it in the

1700
01:41:04,040 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: same with me. I put it off until this morning,

1701
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 1: and when I started reading, I've text you right away.

1702
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: I was like, we have to talk about this story. UM,

1703
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: Adam Rittenberg, Kyle Monagora, they they they talked with former

1704
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,720
Speaker 1: Washington State head coach Paul wolf who is now I

1705
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: believe that cow Polly with Bo Baldwin as a as

1706
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:26,200
Speaker 1: an assistant. UM. Paul Wolfe was the coach that was

1707
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: there for four years before Mike Leach. He led to

1708
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,920
Speaker 1: the hiring of Mike Leach. He went nine and forty

1709
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 1: and his four years, his best season was going four

1710
01:41:35,080 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 1: and eight in I think, um, and that's when Mike

1711
01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: Leach came on and and uh and and started to

1712
01:41:42,360 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 1: build that program up. UH. I guess in nineteen seventy nine,

1713
01:41:50,120 --> 01:41:52,320
Speaker 1: when Paul wolf was twelve years old and the youngest

1714
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 1: of four kids, his mother and father were having a

1715
01:41:57,080 --> 01:41:59,599
Speaker 1: lot of problems and going to counseling and fighting all

1716
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,879
Speaker 1: the time him and I guess their dad was physically

1717
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:09,639
Speaker 1: abusive toward the kids. Um. And one night after a party,

1718
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Uh Dolores was his mother's name, Dolores Wolfe did not

1719
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,360
Speaker 1: come home. She wasn't there in the morning, and the dad,

1720
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:24,280
Speaker 1: Carl Wolf, started telling everybody that she had left and

1721
01:42:24,360 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 1: she's never coming back. But he didn't elaborate on it.

1722
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 1: He just said she's gone. Everyone in Paul Wolfe's family

1723
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:37,479
Speaker 1: because they lived in that contentious, angry household um, and

1724
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 1: then all the extended family, because I'm sure they knew

1725
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,680
Speaker 1: what was going on as well, they all immediately suspected

1726
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 1: the dad. They found a blanket with blood on it

1727
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,639
Speaker 1: and an ear ring in the trunk of his car,

1728
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 1: but everything was circumstantial and they did not have the

1729
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:58,360
Speaker 1: ability to charge him with their mother's disappearance. And as

1730
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,400
Speaker 1: far as they knew, because there was no body, she

1731
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:07,960
Speaker 1: wasn't dead. So the family began to harass Um Carl

1732
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:13,840
Speaker 1: the suspected murderer of Dolores and Paul Wolf's father. The

1733
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: extended family started to like smear words on the garage,

1734
01:43:18,680 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: leave a pig's head, put signs up all over the

1735
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: neighborhood saying this way to the murderer's house. They harassed

1736
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:26,760
Speaker 1: him for a while. He filed a two million dollar

1737
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: lawsuit against them for harassment. It was dismissed, and then

1738
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:36,040
Speaker 1: eventually a new district attorney came in and was open

1739
01:43:36,120 --> 01:43:39,640
Speaker 1: to the idea of charging them. He was arrested, and

1740
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:41,920
Speaker 1: as they were trying to build the case, it was

1741
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:45,639
Speaker 1: found that they violated his right to a speedy trial

1742
01:43:46,160 --> 01:43:50,320
Speaker 1: because of the delay. And therefore, what the hell is

1743
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: that they didn't arrest him, Like, why how does that

1744
01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: delayed somebody's right to his speed anyways? Go ahead, right right?

1745
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: So h he ended up, um having it dismissed, and

1746
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,800
Speaker 1: then that's just that's the way it was from then

1747
01:44:08,840 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 1: on out. Paul Wolf grew up to play football at

1748
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:16,040
Speaker 1: Washington State. His dad did what so many dads do

1749
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,160
Speaker 1: and tried to come back into his life after he

1750
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:22,719
Speaker 1: had earned a starting spot. Um even tried to surprise

1751
01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 1: him in the hallway of the Rose Bowl. I guess um.

1752
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: They had a couple of conversations and then he kind

1753
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: of like got him out of his life for good.

1754
01:44:31,120 --> 01:44:34,000
Speaker 1: And then he you know, he he grew up having

1755
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,719
Speaker 1: all of these memories of his mother and not knowing

1756
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 1: what happened, and not knowing if they would ever get

1757
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:46,120
Speaker 1: any um any justice. And I think he ultimately also

1758
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:49,160
Speaker 1: as a kid, filed a wrongful death suit. UM, but

1759
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:52,040
Speaker 1: it didn't. I don't know if that went anywhere. And uh.

1760
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 1: And he basically told his dad, like, get out of

1761
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:55,800
Speaker 1: my life unless you're gonna tell me what's going on.

1762
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:57,360
Speaker 1: And his dad never told him what's going on. So

1763
01:44:58,040 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 1: he ended up getting married and then his wife got

1764
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,320
Speaker 1: brain cancer and he spent five years sounds like in

1765
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:07,280
Speaker 1: kind of a personal hell, you know, with the ticking

1766
01:45:07,320 --> 01:45:09,080
Speaker 1: clock of what was going on with his wife during

1767
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: that time. He ended up um committing his life to

1768
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:16,639
Speaker 1: UM his faith in Jesus Christ and and and becoming

1769
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:19,840
Speaker 1: a born again Christian. UM. His wife ended up passing away.

1770
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:22,040
Speaker 1: He remarried, and he said at one point he got

1771
01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:29,439
Speaker 1: a phone call saying that um uh in two thousand five,

1772
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:31,840
Speaker 1: three years after his first wife passed away, he ended

1773
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: up remarried and has a couple of kids. Um. He

1774
01:45:34,479 --> 01:45:37,280
Speaker 1: got a call in two thousand five saying, hey, we

1775
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 1: have your dad. There's no contact name or family, but

1776
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 1: you're the only family we found. He might not live

1777
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: through what he's going through. We just want to know

1778
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 1: if you want to resuscitate or anything like that. And

1779
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 1: his answer was probably not. Like, think about how tough

1780
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,840
Speaker 1: that is that you're you suspect your dad of killing

1781
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:55,439
Speaker 1: your mom. You haven't talked to him forever. You don't

1782
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: even know if your mom is alive or dead. You

1783
01:45:57,360 --> 01:46:00,040
Speaker 1: assume she's dead, but you have no closure there. And

1784
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:02,800
Speaker 1: they're calling you to ask if they should resuscitate your dad,

1785
01:46:02,840 --> 01:46:06,439
Speaker 1: who you have no communication with, UM, and you just say,

1786
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,960
Speaker 1: I guess not. And uh. And so his dad ended

1787
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 1: up dying in two thousand five, and fast forward all

1788
01:46:17,360 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 1: the way to when Joseph James D'Angelo gets arrested UM

1789
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: for all of the unsolved Golden State Killer murders. Uh.

1790
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: There's a woman named Stacy Sherman who's an internet sleuth.

1791
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:35,519
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you've seen, you know, the Don't f

1792
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: with Cats and all that stuff, you know, where there's

1793
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there trying to solve crimes

1794
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 1: in their spare time, especially cold case. So this woman,

1795
01:46:43,880 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 1: Stacy Sherman, was looking into whether or not there were

1796
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,880
Speaker 1: additional victims of the Golden State Killer and she searched

1797
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 1: the National Missing and Unidentified Persons system and different newspaper

1798
01:46:54,160 --> 01:46:56,320
Speaker 1: archives to see if she could find anyone, and the

1799
01:46:56,439 --> 01:47:01,160
Speaker 1: probe ended up pulling up the case of of Coach

1800
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Wolfe's mom, Dolores, And then she went and she checked

1801
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:09,040
Speaker 1: for unidentified bodies found around the same time period and

1802
01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: came across a Jane Doe that was discovered forty eight

1803
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:17,000
Speaker 1: days or so after the initial um UH time in

1804
01:47:17,080 --> 01:47:21,400
Speaker 1: which she was reported missing. And so that came to

1805
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 1: lay on the desk of a detective named I think

1806
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:29,679
Speaker 1: is it was it Kenny hart Was this guy's name Hart?

1807
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: So there was a detective named Kenny hart Um who

1808
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: helped exhume the body of that Jane Doe habit DNA

1809
01:47:40,640 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 1: tested and then six weeks later it came back that

1810
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: that was the mother. And so they were they found

1811
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:53,439
Speaker 1: Coach Wolfe's mother in October when he got the news,

1812
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:59,320
Speaker 1: and they were able to cremate the remains and bury

1813
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:03,640
Speaker 1: them with his grandfather, her father. UM. They obviously you

1814
01:48:03,680 --> 01:48:06,560
Speaker 1: don't have any answers, that's it's still just a suspected

1815
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 1: UM case of of UM spousal homicide UM. But at

1816
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:15,919
Speaker 1: the very least like they do have those questions answered.

1817
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:18,920
Speaker 1: And this story is absolutely insane. I knew absolutely nothing

1818
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: about it beforehand. Like you, I didn't pay much attention

1819
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: to Washington State football before Mike Leach got there, so

1820
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:28,640
Speaker 1: I only vaguely remembered Coach Wolfe at all. Um. The

1821
01:48:28,880 --> 01:48:33,920
Speaker 1: the entire thing is just is just an incredible, incredible

1822
01:48:34,040 --> 01:48:38,880
Speaker 1: story of I guess like survival and um heartache and

1823
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,479
Speaker 1: and some type of resolution. But you know, I really

1824
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: feel for the guy. Definitely got choked up a couple

1825
01:48:44,760 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 1: of different times during the during the story. And I

1826
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 1: recommend do not do not just take our word for it.

1827
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 1: Please go to ESPN dot com The Future Story The

1828
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:57,360
Speaker 1: Disappearance of Dolores Wolf, Like, please please read this story

1829
01:48:57,439 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: the way that it's put together, even like graphic lead

1830
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:06,479
Speaker 1: with audio clips and pictures and like it's yeah, very good. Yeah.

1831
01:49:06,479 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying like, oh it's interesting, please revel

1832
01:49:09,240 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 1: in somebody else's misfortune. I'm just saying, if you're gonna

1833
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:14,760
Speaker 1: read anything, the work that they put into this and

1834
01:49:14,960 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: and to just see what it has meant to Coach

1835
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: wolf and the PAC twelve connection, like it's worth your time.

1836
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: As all I'm trying to say it's definitely worth your time. Yep. Um, yeah,

1837
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:30,600
Speaker 1: it was just so sad his damn dad right, I

1838
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:33,679
Speaker 1: don't even know. It was just it was too much

1839
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:36,640
Speaker 1: to handle all at one one time. It was just

1840
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:40,200
Speaker 1: a lot, dude. Um, So hopefully you guys get a

1841
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:44,000
Speaker 1: chance to check that out. The next thing up is, uh,

1842
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 1: we decided to note a couple of players that could

1843
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:53,880
Speaker 1: break out this season in the Pack twelve, and Ralph

1844
01:49:53,960 --> 01:50:00,400
Speaker 1: thinks clearly, uh that I hate the back twelve, but

1845
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't. I love to pack tow up. This is

1846
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 1: why I just who is gonna earn George's love? That's

1847
01:50:07,080 --> 01:50:14,599
Speaker 1: this segment. Why does it have to um be about love?

1848
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:21,840
Speaker 1: It's just like I mean, I'm just saying, like it's

1849
01:50:23,160 --> 01:50:26,560
Speaker 1: it's about people who you know are ready to go.

1850
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,479
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Travis Dives

1851
01:50:31,560 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 1: right now on your list? Is he he's gonna be

1852
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:37,599
Speaker 1: like a senior bro Maybe? I mean I don't even

1853
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:41,080
Speaker 1: know what what where he's at. But if he hasn't

1854
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:43,400
Speaker 1: impressed you yet, then he still has the opportunity to

1855
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 1: break out. No, he has that. There have been times

1856
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 1: where he's been impressive. It's not that he hasn't been impressive. Bro.

1857
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 1: All Right, I will name one first. I am going

1858
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 1: I am going to go with and and I'll be

1859
01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 1: easy choice, um and Justin Flow. I think that Justin Flow,

1860
01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 1: Oregon linebacker, former five star, will break out this year

1861
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:17,080
Speaker 1: and be on everybody's radar. Okay. I will also take

1862
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:22,120
Speaker 1: the very very very easy route and say Zack Charbonnet,

1863
01:51:22,439 --> 01:51:25,600
Speaker 1: the running back transfer from Michigan, who is going to

1864
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:27,280
Speaker 1: be getting a bulk of the carries. I believe for

1865
01:51:27,439 --> 01:51:29,759
Speaker 1: U c l A this year. He's somebody who already

1866
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:32,160
Speaker 1: had success in the Big Ten. You know that U.

1867
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:35,120
Speaker 1: C l a likes to run the ball. Um. So

1868
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:37,519
Speaker 1: for me, I think he's the guy that a lot

1869
01:51:37,560 --> 01:51:39,479
Speaker 1: of maybe Pack twelve fans don't know his name now

1870
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 1: that they're going to do you do. What the bad

1871
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:50,960
Speaker 1: part is is that you actually like stole one of mine.

1872
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:56,400
Speaker 1: He was on my list. But I will not you know,

1873
01:51:57,120 --> 01:52:02,760
Speaker 1: I won't keep going down the list. Um. I would

1874
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:08,160
Speaker 1: say that the player that I think will be probably

1875
01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:10,640
Speaker 1: at the top of this list, and and I know

1876
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:15,200
Speaker 1: that this is probably Um, I'm I'm I'm gonna go

1877
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:20,680
Speaker 1: with Arizona State running back Rasha White. I think that

1878
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:24,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a really good season this year, and

1879
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:28,120
Speaker 1: he may not be a quote unquote breakout player to

1880
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 1: other people, but to me. You know, I wouldn't say

1881
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 1: that he's broken out yet, I think because I was

1882
01:52:37,479 --> 01:52:39,160
Speaker 1: about to interject and be like, do you really think

1883
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: that's a breakout, But he's also like, I think you're saying,

1884
01:52:42,960 --> 01:52:46,920
Speaker 1: like there's a there's a player of the year chance there. Yes, yeah,

1885
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 1: like that would be I would definitely considered that a

1886
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 1: break and I think it's possible. Mm hm. So I

1887
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 1: know that was a really good pick. Um, I'm gonna

1888
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: go with one that was sort of just um process

1889
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:03,560
Speaker 1: of elimination, I guess you could call it because I

1890
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,800
Speaker 1: really liked ty Jones, the wide receiver at Washington who

1891
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,519
Speaker 1: transferred to Fresno, and then I really like Pookinakua, the

1892
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 1: Washington receiver that left for b y U. And and

1893
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:16,360
Speaker 1: I believe that Washington is gonna have a much better

1894
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: year than most people believe. And in order to do that,

1895
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:21,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to throw the ball and it's got

1896
01:53:21,439 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: to beat them more than just Ka dot. And so

1897
01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:28,000
Speaker 1: by process of elimination, my second breakout player is to

1898
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:34,640
Speaker 1: Reill buying them. He he has played a lot, but

1899
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:37,639
Speaker 1: has not really had a lot of production in camp

1900
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:40,680
Speaker 1: so far. He looks like a monster. So as long

1901
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,320
Speaker 1: as he can say something healthy. I think he's little

1902
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:47,280
Speaker 1: in a smaller side maybe, Um, but he's all they

1903
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 1: got and I need him to blow up if they're

1904
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,160
Speaker 1: gonna be as good as I think they can be.

1905
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:55,519
Speaker 1: So to Rell buying them, Okay, I am going to

1906
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 1: go next. My next pick, I'm gonna go with Devin Lloyd,

1907
01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: linebacker at Utah. Like he's obviously been pretty good this year. Um,

1908
01:54:06,680 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 1: he's got some All America hyped to him. And but

1909
01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's a player that I think will be

1910
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:20,000
Speaker 1: in the conversation with Cabin Cabon Thibodeaux for the best

1911
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: players for the Pack twelve Defensive player of the Year.

1912
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 1: So would that be the only way that he could

1913
01:54:26,040 --> 01:54:28,120
Speaker 1: meet your expectations because you're we're talking about a guy

1914
01:54:28,120 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: who's already two time All Pack twelve. Yeah. But but

1915
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: there's a difference in getting a little bit of Pack

1916
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:38,240
Speaker 1: twelve love and being a you know, a household name

1917
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 1: or one of the names that is on the Marquee

1918
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:45,760
Speaker 1: when they when when when they put up oh, the

1919
01:54:46,440 --> 01:54:48,880
Speaker 1: players of the game, the players that you must watch,

1920
01:54:49,000 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: the players that must stop, They're gonna be like, oh yeah,

1921
01:54:52,640 --> 01:54:54,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get him blocked because if not,

1922
01:54:55,120 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 1: the whole game is gonna fall apart and go to hell. Okay,

1923
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 1: I like it. Um mine is somebody who had like

1924
01:55:04,040 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: one good play. Um, but it was a really really

1925
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 1: big one and it led to Stanford beating U. C

1926
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:16,160
Speaker 1: l A. And that is outside linebacker Stephen Herron of Stanford,

1927
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:22,480
Speaker 1: sixty pounds out of Trinity High School in Kentucky. He

1928
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 1: he appeared on all the highlight reels for coming around

1929
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:28,720
Speaker 1: the edge and I believe stuffing U. C l A

1930
01:55:28,760 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: at the goal line and getting Stanford close when um

1931
01:55:34,640 --> 01:55:37,520
Speaker 1: he he might have even had a sack forced fumble

1932
01:55:37,800 --> 01:55:39,720
Speaker 1: in double Yeah, it was a sack forced fumble in

1933
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,520
Speaker 1: double overtime. So I think that he is going to

1934
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:45,640
Speaker 1: capitalize on that. He was a four star recruit. He's

1935
01:55:45,680 --> 01:55:48,880
Speaker 1: coming into his own he's filling out. And that's what

1936
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:50,880
Speaker 1: Stanford really is gonna need, is they're gonna need the

1937
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:52,919
Speaker 1: star player on the defense in order to be competitive

1938
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 1: this year. So Stephen Herron is my third pick four

1939
01:55:56,520 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 1: breakout player. Okay, um well, for my last pick, I'm

1940
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:06,040
Speaker 1: gonna go from the position that I know the best,

1941
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: and that is tight end, and my vote is Greg Dulich,

1942
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 1: the whib the tight end from u c l A.

1943
01:56:16,760 --> 01:56:19,600
Speaker 1: I think that this kid has got big time, not

1944
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: only just potential, but NFL potential as well. Okay, okay uh,

1945
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 1: I think that's a good pick. I like a couple

1946
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:33,880
Speaker 1: of guys that just barely missed the cut for me,

1947
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:37,920
Speaker 1: and I guess we're only going four. So Solomon Us

1948
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,840
Speaker 1: was one of them because Brian Thompson left for a

1949
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:43,840
Speaker 1: s U, which means they got to throw to somebody

1950
01:56:43,880 --> 01:56:46,040
Speaker 1: in Solomoninis of course as an Arizona kid, so I'm

1951
01:56:46,040 --> 01:56:48,480
Speaker 1: gonna care for him. He goes to Utah. Uh. And

1952
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:52,200
Speaker 1: the other one is Elijah Higgins six pound receiver that

1953
01:56:52,240 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 1: hasn't really done much at Stanford. He finished just off

1954
01:56:56,400 --> 01:56:59,840
Speaker 1: the list for me as well. Um My the one,

1955
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,960
Speaker 1: so my number four who is an enormous dark horse

1956
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: and he could this could make people absolutely laugh me

1957
01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 1: out of the room. But it's Chris Roland Wallace cornerback

1958
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:14,800
Speaker 1: for University of Arizona. This is a kid out of California,

1959
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:20,879
Speaker 1: super athletic long arms, has thirteen starts and was terrible

1960
01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:27,280
Speaker 1: like and not just individually, as part of the whole. Right,

1961
01:57:28,160 --> 01:57:30,120
Speaker 1: He's still there at youve A and now he's got

1962
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:33,960
Speaker 1: Don Brown from Michigan as the person who is going

1963
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:37,800
Speaker 1: to help him use his athletic gifts for good. And

1964
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:40,480
Speaker 1: I think all of that experience is going to be helpful.

1965
01:57:40,920 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 1: And I would not be surprised to see a guy

1966
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 1: like him because people are gonna be throwing all over

1967
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 1: this you of a defense, believe it. I would not

1968
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,240
Speaker 1: be surprised if a guy like him ends the season

1969
01:57:50,280 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 1: with five or six picks. Yeah. Yeah, that's a reasonable

1970
01:57:56,120 --> 01:58:00,600
Speaker 1: choice as well. All right, to finish up a show, though,

1971
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:07,800
Speaker 1: you have some quick hitter slash h slash quick viewer questions. Um,

1972
01:58:08,440 --> 01:58:11,440
Speaker 1: But first, before we even get to that, I wanna um.

1973
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:16,080
Speaker 1: There was a question that came in on Twitter and

1974
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 1: it was asked, UM, how the new commissioner has fared

1975
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,280
Speaker 1: so far and the biggest hurdle for each team this year.

1976
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:30,400
Speaker 1: I think the new commissioner is doing really well. No

1977
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 1: news is good news, kind of, I said, has to

1978
01:58:33,560 --> 01:58:35,400
Speaker 1: do with the deal, and he said the expectation that

1979
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,160
Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen, which is not something Larry Scott

1980
01:58:38,200 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: ever did. He was always like, well, we're trying and

1981
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:44,720
Speaker 1: and he and he was failing is what he was doing.

1982
01:58:45,360 --> 01:58:51,400
Speaker 1: So I would say that I think he's doing fine.

1983
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:55,120
Speaker 1: To me, Yeah, yeah, I would say that. And I've

1984
01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: consistently said that his tenure will be defined in the

1985
01:58:59,240 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 1: first eight team months of his job, whether that is

1986
01:59:02,280 --> 01:59:07,600
Speaker 1: conference expansion or not expansion, which I'm not saying either

1987
01:59:07,720 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 1: thing is right, but the new TV deals will be

1988
01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: negotiated in the next day, in the first eighteen months

1989
01:59:14,640 --> 01:59:19,280
Speaker 1: of his tenure, and or twenty four months at the longest,

1990
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:23,640
Speaker 1: and part of that may include a scheduling agreement with

1991
01:59:23,840 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 1: some other conference. So I think that you're gonna be

1992
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:30,080
Speaker 1: able to judge him by a couple of things about

1993
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:34,880
Speaker 1: where the conference headquarters is, if they keep it in

1994
01:59:34,920 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 1: San Francisco and keep robbing the conference of its funds

1995
01:59:39,160 --> 01:59:44,200
Speaker 1: um or if and also how the TV contracts work out,

1996
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:48,360
Speaker 1: And you're gonna know whether expansion was a good idea

1997
01:59:48,520 --> 01:59:50,400
Speaker 1: not a good idea, whether it should have been done

1998
01:59:50,520 --> 01:59:53,360
Speaker 1: or not should have been done by the TV contracts.

1999
01:59:53,400 --> 01:59:55,320
Speaker 1: So I think that that's gonna be a good barometer

2000
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:59,160
Speaker 1: in his first eight twenty four months. But but so far,

2001
02:00:00,680 --> 02:00:03,320
Speaker 1: got got nothing bad bad to say about him. Every

2002
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: the people who are in positions of power like him,

2003
02:00:07,040 --> 02:00:09,720
Speaker 1: and they think he is doing a good job so

2004
02:00:09,880 --> 02:00:15,080
Speaker 1: far and is innovative and has good ideas. All right, Um,

2005
02:00:15,640 --> 02:00:17,760
Speaker 1: now that was the second half of that question, because

2006
02:00:17,760 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't think we're gonna be able to answer all that,

2007
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:26,440
Speaker 1: but oh it was. It was just how and what's

2008
02:00:26,440 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 1: the biggest hurdle for each team this year? Um? You

2009
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,120
Speaker 1: want to take the North, I'll take the South. Okay,

2010
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:39,160
Speaker 1: what do you what do you think Washington State? Uh?

2011
02:00:41,240 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean just Nick Rolovich adjusting to not beating one

2012
02:00:45,200 --> 02:00:49,760
Speaker 1: pack twelve team when he's in Hawaii and beating back

2013
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:55,440
Speaker 1: twelve teams every game, and his offense not becoming what

2014
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:59,440
Speaker 1: Mike Leaches was where it's you know, once people figure

2015
02:00:59,480 --> 02:01:02,760
Speaker 1: out how to stop it, that there's a clear game

2016
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:06,200
Speaker 1: plan on how to stop it, which cal had figured out,

2017
02:01:06,320 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 1: Washington had figured out and made it tough to win.

2018
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 1: So offense looks alarmingly similar to the one that he

2019
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:19,320
Speaker 1: had his last year Hawaii, minus the receiver depth. I

2020
02:01:19,320 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't say, it's as talented as the one he had

2021
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:24,640
Speaker 1: in a white but it's it's very similar. Yeah, yeah,

2022
02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:30,920
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be on Jaden Dolores's arm. Um Washington,

2023
02:01:31,680 --> 02:01:35,400
Speaker 1: washington biggest hurdle this season is going to be figuring

2024
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 1: out a serviceable offense because when their notes are from

2025
02:01:39,960 --> 02:01:42,080
Speaker 1: from camp, it doesn't look like their offense is doing

2026
02:01:42,240 --> 02:01:47,080
Speaker 1: very good. Between the quarterbacks, why receivers, defense seems to

2027
02:01:47,160 --> 02:01:50,320
Speaker 1: be dominating. So Washington is going to be their defense

2028
02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:57,520
Speaker 1: and their recruiting um cal is their defense because they

2029
02:01:57,640 --> 02:02:00,200
Speaker 1: lost Tim Tim the reuter who had been the play

2030
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,720
Speaker 1: caller but then got replaced. Last year, the defense took

2031
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:05,960
Speaker 1: a step back, but it was a pandemic year. So

2032
02:02:06,480 --> 02:02:10,320
Speaker 1: and Cow's really hung their hat on their defense. So

2033
02:02:10,480 --> 02:02:12,800
Speaker 1: their defense is going to be critically important. But so

2034
02:02:13,040 --> 02:02:16,160
Speaker 1: is the development of Chase Garber's who I'm a fan of?

2035
02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: Who who Ralph tried to pooh pooh for a long time. Um,

2036
02:02:21,400 --> 02:02:27,200
Speaker 1: And Okay, Stanford, I don't know if I believe Stanford's back.

2037
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:32,240
Speaker 1: I don't. But Stanford's biggest hurdle is going to be

2038
02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: running the football. If they can run the football, then

2039
02:02:35,320 --> 02:02:38,520
Speaker 1: they are they are fine. But the last two seasons,

2040
02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,480
Speaker 1: they haven't been able to run the football with the

2041
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:44,080
Speaker 1: effectiveness that Stanford football is used to running. You know,

2042
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, um intellectual brutality has been broken. And I'm

2043
02:02:50,040 --> 02:02:52,879
Speaker 1: not sure whether that means a refresh in the offense

2044
02:02:53,160 --> 02:02:56,840
Speaker 1: from David Shaw which I made, which I do think

2045
02:02:56,920 --> 02:03:00,040
Speaker 1: we may see because he's a lot more confident that

2046
02:03:00,120 --> 02:03:01,640
Speaker 1: he's saying we're gonna get stup. So I think that

2047
02:03:01,760 --> 02:03:07,240
Speaker 1: they're gonna do some different things this year. So that's Stanford, UM.

2048
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:12,920
Speaker 1: Oregon State. Their biggest hurdle is gonna be talent, dude,

2049
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:17,040
Speaker 1: because do they have enough talent to get their defense

2050
02:03:17,120 --> 02:03:21,480
Speaker 1: to be good enough to where and enough offensive weapons

2051
02:03:21,560 --> 02:03:23,560
Speaker 1: where they can win games. I think that they have

2052
02:03:23,640 --> 02:03:27,000
Speaker 1: a coach that's good enough, and Jonathan Smith, I believe

2053
02:03:27,080 --> 02:03:31,120
Speaker 1: in him. I just just lost Isaac Hogens for two months.

2054
02:03:31,200 --> 02:03:34,080
Speaker 1: That was probably the best defensive linemen. Yeah, so that

2055
02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:39,840
Speaker 1: that's already a huge blow to them. So for what

2056
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:45,680
Speaker 1: Oregon State win the Mountain West. With Oregon State win

2057
02:03:45,800 --> 02:03:52,040
Speaker 1: the Mountain West, UM playing, I mean, I think they

2058
02:03:52,040 --> 02:03:55,000
Speaker 1: would be in the championship game against Boise State every year.

2059
02:03:56,400 --> 02:04:00,120
Speaker 1: I mean like that that would be like they are

2060
02:04:00,280 --> 02:04:05,000
Speaker 1: really well coached. It's just a matter of having the

2061
02:04:05,200 --> 02:04:08,440
Speaker 1: talent to be able to you know, turn that into

2062
02:04:08,520 --> 02:04:11,520
Speaker 1: wins and not just close losses like they're They're not

2063
02:04:11,560 --> 02:04:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna get blown out every game like they did two

2064
02:04:14,160 --> 02:04:18,120
Speaker 1: years ago, three years ago. They're just gonna take suffer

2065
02:04:18,280 --> 02:04:21,160
Speaker 1: close losses, which I guess makes you feel a little

2066
02:04:21,200 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 1: bit better. And then there's Oregon, who their biggest hurdle

2067
02:04:26,760 --> 02:04:30,360
Speaker 1: is going to be uh depth in the secondary because

2068
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:36,360
Speaker 1: they're thin in the secondary, and um, Anthony Brown at

2069
02:04:36,440 --> 02:04:39,720
Speaker 1: quarterback if they can get great play out of out

2070
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 1: of him and the secondary can stay healthy. Uh well,

2071
02:04:43,840 --> 02:04:48,360
Speaker 1: you know my minus the arrest that that happened. If

2072
02:04:48,400 --> 02:04:51,080
Speaker 1: they get those guys back at some sometime, then I

2073
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:54,400
Speaker 1: think that they'll be five. But that's their issues. Now

2074
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:56,880
Speaker 1: on to the South. I covered all six North teams.

2075
02:04:57,080 --> 02:05:02,000
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, um, Colorado is quarterback play. I think

2076
02:05:02,040 --> 02:05:05,760
Speaker 1: that they have a decent offense. They certainly have talent

2077
02:05:05,840 --> 02:05:10,880
Speaker 1: at receiver and running back. I mean, um, I think

2078
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,000
Speaker 1: they've got to be really excited about bringing Brossard back

2079
02:05:13,080 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 1: and Brendan Rice physically maybe the most impressive wide receiver

2080
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:20,600
Speaker 1: in the pack twelve because He's got the bulk that

2081
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:23,960
Speaker 1: that Drake London doesn't necessarily have. Although Drake London I

2082
02:05:23,960 --> 02:05:27,120
Speaker 1: think's a little bit more athletic UM straight line speed.

2083
02:05:27,160 --> 02:05:29,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, but Brendan Rice is up there. Uh

2084
02:05:30,440 --> 02:05:33,840
Speaker 1: defense is okay, and Nate Landman is gonna be healthy

2085
02:05:33,960 --> 02:05:36,600
Speaker 1: ish by the time that the season starts, and I

2086
02:05:36,680 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 1: think Carl Durrell is going to help that that that

2087
02:05:40,200 --> 02:05:43,920
Speaker 1: defense probably overperformed. It's all gonna come down to quarterback

2088
02:05:43,960 --> 02:05:53,520
Speaker 1: play for Colorado. For me, Utah is uh experience. There's

2089
02:05:53,600 --> 02:05:59,640
Speaker 1: no returning starter at running back. Solomon Enis is really

2090
02:05:59,680 --> 02:06:03,680
Speaker 1: the only returning UM high level contributor as a receiver.

2091
02:06:05,240 --> 02:06:10,720
Speaker 1: Quarterback is gonna be new. The offensive line is having

2092
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:13,160
Speaker 1: to replace a couple of key pieces, and over the

2093
02:06:13,240 --> 02:06:15,560
Speaker 1: last two years, outside of Devin Lloyd, there pretty much

2094
02:06:15,600 --> 02:06:19,240
Speaker 1: graduated everybody out of the program. So are they ready

2095
02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:22,480
Speaker 1: to play on day one? That's that's big. We'll know

2096
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: early in the season if they can um, if they

2097
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:32,200
Speaker 1: can hang uh. Arizona is talent. Just they've they've helped

2098
02:06:32,240 --> 02:06:35,240
Speaker 1: themselves and they've gotten better and the coaching is better.

2099
02:06:35,880 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 1: And UM that Rutherford guy they got as a transfer

2100
02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame is going to be helpful. Um. I

2101
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:44,200
Speaker 1: think that Will Plumber is gonna get pushed by the

2102
02:06:44,240 --> 02:06:47,800
Speaker 1: additions of the two quarterbacks that they brought in. But

2103
02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:51,760
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's offensive and defensive line is

2104
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:55,520
Speaker 1: outside of Jalen Harris, it's gonna be a nightmare for

2105
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,840
Speaker 1: them on the at the line of scrimmage. That's going

2106
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:59,880
Speaker 1: to be their biggest issue. And none of their quarterbacks.

2107
02:07:00,200 --> 02:07:02,960
Speaker 1: Their quarterbacks can move, but none of them can can

2108
02:07:03,520 --> 02:07:05,720
Speaker 1: do what clil Tate did, which is create offense out

2109
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 1: of nothing. Um, So a little plug for clil Tate there. Yeah,

2110
02:07:13,400 --> 02:07:19,200
Speaker 1: I think you see l a u ce. L A's

2111
02:07:19,240 --> 02:07:25,520
Speaker 1: biggest hurdle is actually the past. So they're going to

2112
02:07:25,600 --> 02:07:29,600
Speaker 1: have to get over the dip in talent of the

2113
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:33,400
Speaker 1: last three years in order to recruit the way that

2114
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:36,680
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly wants them to because I think the coaching

2115
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Speaker 1: is there, though there are questions that I certainly have

2116
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 1: and you probably too about their defensive coordinator. Um, they've

2117
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:46,880
Speaker 1: got the most experience coming back at quarterback. They can

2118
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:51,560
Speaker 1: definitely run the ball, and they are stacked as far

2119
02:07:51,680 --> 02:07:55,160
Speaker 1: as depth, not high end talent, but depth in the

2120
02:07:55,320 --> 02:07:59,560
Speaker 1: front seven. In my opinion. Um. So, therefore, I think

2121
02:07:59,640 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 1: the main issue is going to be did they get

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02:08:02,480 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 1: enough game changing guys in the last three years to

2123
02:08:05,960 --> 02:08:08,040
Speaker 1: make the difference when it comes down to and I

2124
02:08:08,120 --> 02:08:12,240
Speaker 1: don't think they did so, um usc is going to

2125
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:16,480
Speaker 1: be the ability to run the ball, because they might

2126
02:08:16,640 --> 02:08:19,440
Speaker 1: have created an inability to even run it if they

2127
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:23,800
Speaker 1: wanted to through people leaving the program and through years

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02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:26,880
Speaker 1: of running this offense without the ability to like jump

2129
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:28,720
Speaker 1: into the eye formation and pick up a couple of

2130
02:08:28,760 --> 02:08:42,120
Speaker 1: tough yards. Um, Arizona State? Is uh the n C

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02:08:42,240 --> 02:08:48,000
Speaker 1: double A I guess um no, I think if we're

2132
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:51,360
Speaker 1: being honest, is I think you probably agree with me too.

2133
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:55,680
Speaker 1: Is are the receivers ready? Because everything else? And is

2134
02:08:55,800 --> 02:08:58,960
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels as good as advertised? Because there's a difference

2135
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:04,080
Speaker 1: between freshman year Jayden Daniels and now he's junior. So

2136
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:07,120
Speaker 1: it's like that hype that was there as a freshman,

2137
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:10,800
Speaker 1: it's got to come to fruition now. But can he

2138
02:09:11,040 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 1: That's just it? So are are people gonna Are people

2139
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:16,960
Speaker 1: gonna show up for him? Can the tight ends play?

2140
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:19,600
Speaker 1: Can the receiver's actually play? Like? Are they gonna be

2141
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:23,320
Speaker 1: there for him? Because I think the offensive line, will

2142
02:09:23,480 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 1: I know the running game, will I know he's going

2143
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:27,920
Speaker 1: to be able to move the chains? And I know

2144
02:09:28,040 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 1: the defense is going to do their job. It really

2145
02:09:31,120 --> 02:09:34,280
Speaker 1: comes down to whether or not the receivers are ready

2146
02:09:34,360 --> 02:09:38,040
Speaker 1: for the bright lights. Is Johnny Wilson developed? Is Ricky

2147
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:41,720
Speaker 1: Piersall really a dude? Like? Is he like a All

2148
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:47,640
Speaker 1: Pack twelve level dude? Um? Is LV Bunkley Shelton somebody

2149
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:50,480
Speaker 1: that you can rely on because he's a great route

2150
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:53,880
Speaker 1: runner and has fantastic hands. But can you rely on

2151
02:09:54,080 --> 02:09:55,880
Speaker 1: him to not drop the ball, to not fumbled, to

2152
02:09:55,960 --> 02:09:58,640
Speaker 1: do stuff like that? Um? Some of the other guys

2153
02:09:58,680 --> 02:10:00,520
Speaker 1: that they brought in, are they read need to fill in?

2154
02:10:00,640 --> 02:10:04,000
Speaker 1: If those guys can't do it, I genuinely don't know

2155
02:10:04,080 --> 02:10:06,360
Speaker 1: if they have the receivers to get this done and

2156
02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:11,520
Speaker 1: a talent wise pedigree, Yes, but prove it. That got

2157
02:10:11,640 --> 02:10:13,920
Speaker 1: to prove it. Even last year when it was Frank

2158
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 1: Darby was supposed to be that guy for them, he

2159
02:10:15,800 --> 02:10:19,080
Speaker 1: didn't show up either. So that's really what it comes

2160
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:20,960
Speaker 1: down to for me, Because I think Jade daniels Is

2161
02:10:21,080 --> 02:10:25,560
Speaker 1: is maybe not as good as some people want him

2162
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:27,839
Speaker 1: to be. He's not gonna be the guy who produces

2163
02:10:27,880 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 1: seventy five touchdowns in a year like he did in

2164
02:10:29,800 --> 02:10:32,720
Speaker 1: high school or whatever that insane number was. But that's

2165
02:10:32,800 --> 02:10:35,200
Speaker 1: high school. Neither is Ethan Garber's at U c l A.

2166
02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:37,520
Speaker 1: They're not going to be that version of themselves. But

2167
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:39,600
Speaker 1: can he be the guy who is ball control but

2168
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:43,400
Speaker 1: also playmaker? Because he's shown us ball control, he just

2169
02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,320
Speaker 1: needs to show us that. Can he put the team

2170
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:48,080
Speaker 1: on his back? Um, so you say it's Jade Daniels,

2171
02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 1: I say, will people help him do it? Because I

2172
02:10:51,000 --> 02:10:55,120
Speaker 1: think he can. I don't know. Is that that everybody? Yep?

2173
02:10:55,880 --> 02:11:00,240
Speaker 1: That's all right? And then what are the you have

2174
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:04,160
Speaker 1: some question slash quick hitters. Yes, I just want your

2175
02:11:04,200 --> 02:11:08,560
Speaker 1: reaction to some of these stories. Thing number one former

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02:11:08,720 --> 02:11:13,720
Speaker 1: University of Arizona a guest star star question mark Nick o'mannon,

2177
02:11:13,760 --> 02:11:17,080
Speaker 1: who reclassified to graduate high school early to play for

2178
02:11:17,200 --> 02:11:20,200
Speaker 1: you of A, spent a year on a two way

2179
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:23,480
Speaker 1: contract with the Golden State Warriors, and is now committing

2180
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:27,160
Speaker 1: to spend at least one year playing professionally in Italy.

2181
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:31,320
Speaker 1: Good idea, bad idea. It's a good idea because he's

2182
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:36,520
Speaker 1: not he may not be on that that he's on

2183
02:11:36,640 --> 02:11:42,640
Speaker 1: the roster bubble clearly, so you know, going going to

2184
02:11:42,680 --> 02:11:45,600
Speaker 1: go play in Italy. He needs reps. But he also

2185
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:49,320
Speaker 1: is Is he playing in Summer League right now? I

2186
02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:51,720
Speaker 1: don't believe. So I think he's already he's he's leaving

2187
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:56,120
Speaker 1: for Italy. Yeah. I mean, if I were him, I

2188
02:11:56,280 --> 02:11:59,880
Speaker 1: probably would have played in Summer League. But at the

2189
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:02,560
Speaker 1: same time, reps are reps. He needs to get better

2190
02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:05,360
Speaker 1: if he wants to be an NBA player. And I

2191
02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:07,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of these guys who get to the

2192
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:11,240
Speaker 1: league and they're in the pre draft process and all that,

2193
02:12:11,400 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 1: they get a route awakening and they're like, wait, hold up,

2194
02:12:14,640 --> 02:12:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm good, right, I'm good, And then they're like, there's

2195
02:12:17,240 --> 02:12:20,480
Speaker 1: a lot of other good guys, and how hard it

2196
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 1: is to not just get in the NBA but stick

2197
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:26,960
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Point guards are are famously like they

2198
02:12:27,040 --> 02:12:29,240
Speaker 1: had a later peak. Do you think it was a

2199
02:12:29,320 --> 02:12:32,880
Speaker 1: mistake for him to leave you with a after one year? Yes,

2200
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:40,960
Speaker 1: he's in Italy, Yes, yes, okay, um, let's do another one.

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Speaker 1: On the Mighty Oregon podcast, Marcus Mariotta said that he

2202
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 1: was actually leaning heavily toward Washington right before he committed

2203
02:12:50,040 --> 02:12:52,200
Speaker 1: to Oregon. How different do you think life would be

2204
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:56,640
Speaker 1: if Marcus Mariotta had been a Husky instead of a duck. Um.

2205
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:01,320
Speaker 1: I mean that was part of the twelve game losing

2206
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:05,600
Speaker 1: streak twelve consecutive years losing streak to Oregon, so he

2207
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:08,240
Speaker 1: would have been a loser. Um. We would have had

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02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:12,360
Speaker 1: either Johnny. We would have either had Johnny men men

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02:13:12,520 --> 02:13:16,920
Speaker 1: Zeil or two US. So then yeah, then life, life

2210
02:13:16,920 --> 02:13:20,280
Speaker 1: would have been fine anyway. Okay, back to basketball for

2211
02:13:20,360 --> 02:13:26,160
Speaker 1: a second. Two rankings. According to rivals UM, there are

2212
02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:31,360
Speaker 1: in this class stars so far. I think they work

2213
02:13:31,440 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 1: it out till they get to thirty, because I think

2214
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:37,640
Speaker 1: that's the whole system is. It's supposed to be a

2215
02:13:37,680 --> 02:13:40,840
Speaker 1: five stars, supposed to indicate a first round pick. Um.

2216
02:13:40,920 --> 02:13:43,040
Speaker 1: But obviously some of these first round picks come from overseas,

2217
02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 1: so it's impossible it's allow thirty from a high school ranking. However,

2218
02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:52,760
Speaker 1: three of the top seven committed players in the country

2219
02:13:52,880 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 1: at this point in time are committed to Pack twelve schools.

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02:13:57,320 --> 02:13:59,400
Speaker 1: Johnny Wright, who is at sire Kenyan, who I'm sure

2221
02:13:59,440 --> 02:14:02,120
Speaker 1: you're very familiar with, just committed to US. He's new.

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02:14:02,640 --> 02:14:05,360
Speaker 1: He's new there though he hasn't even played it played

2223
02:14:05,360 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: a game for them yet. O'kill Academies do or Johnson

2224
02:14:12,120 --> 02:14:15,600
Speaker 1: Pound Point. He's committed to Oregon. He's currently Rivals considers

2225
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:18,600
Speaker 1: him the number seven player in the country and the

2226
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:22,120
Speaker 1: top commit to any Pack twelve school right now is

2227
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:26,400
Speaker 1: a Mari Bailey, also at Sierra Canyon, who is currently

2228
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:29,720
Speaker 1: very well to U c l A. So three of

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02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:33,880
Speaker 1: the top seven current commits. Obviously, it could change because

2230
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,360
Speaker 1: there's other uncommitted players there, or they could decide to

2231
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:39,800
Speaker 1: play professionally um or with the G League, or go

2232
02:14:39,880 --> 02:14:42,440
Speaker 1: overseas or anything like that. But currently three or seven

2233
02:14:42,520 --> 02:14:45,400
Speaker 1: for the class of committed to Pack twelve. How do

2234
02:14:45,440 --> 02:14:49,800
Speaker 1: you feel about that? I like it? I don't actually no, sorry,

2235
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:52,840
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I freaking love it, dude. This

2236
02:14:53,120 --> 02:14:56,720
Speaker 1: is the way the PAC twelve come comes back. You

2237
02:14:56,920 --> 02:15:01,280
Speaker 1: get good players, great great play. It helps you. I mean,

2238
02:15:01,400 --> 02:15:04,800
Speaker 1: I think that this tournament did wonders for the PAC twelve.

2239
02:15:04,840 --> 02:15:07,920
Speaker 1: There was a lot of exposure and players aren't just

2240
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:10,760
Speaker 1: saying hold up, I can go to Oregon to play

2241
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:15,040
Speaker 1: basketball and now U c l A and Mick Crows

2242
02:15:15,120 --> 02:15:21,920
Speaker 1: I'm crossing, um croning, not cross and uh where that's

2243
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:25,840
Speaker 1: that's funny because my son's playing. Um his team has

2244
02:15:25,960 --> 02:15:30,919
Speaker 1: a uh scrimmage today against Shamanad and their coaches coach crossing.

2245
02:15:31,240 --> 02:15:35,600
Speaker 1: But I meant Mick Cronin, and um mit, Cronin is

2246
02:15:35,640 --> 02:15:38,920
Speaker 1: a good coach, and his brand of basketball is very

2247
02:15:39,000 --> 02:15:44,720
Speaker 1: attractive to high school students, and and it looks fun.

2248
02:15:45,000 --> 02:15:47,760
Speaker 1: They look like they play defense, He coaches hard. He

2249
02:15:47,840 --> 02:15:49,400
Speaker 1: looks like a guy that you want to play for.

2250
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:53,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, I'm excited about it. But this

2251
02:15:54,120 --> 02:15:57,680
Speaker 1: is way different because Arizona State in basketball. I know

2252
02:15:57,760 --> 02:16:00,360
Speaker 1: that this is off topic, but they feel they're in

2253
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:03,360
Speaker 1: the same position as they are in football, where they

2254
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:07,720
Speaker 1: got a bunch of hype surrounding Bobby Hurley, a lot

2255
02:16:07,800 --> 02:16:10,720
Speaker 1: of hype surrounding all this recruiting buzz, all this stuff,

2256
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:16,520
Speaker 1: and it was like short lived. Yeah, it's a poorly

2257
02:16:16,560 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 1: constructed it's a basketball is positionless to some extent now,

2258
02:16:21,160 --> 02:16:23,880
Speaker 1: but it's not so positionless that you can't roll out

2259
02:16:23,920 --> 02:16:27,440
Speaker 1: there with somebody who can rebound. You just can't do that.

2260
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:30,000
Speaker 1: You can't get like eight of the best guards in

2261
02:16:30,040 --> 02:16:33,720
Speaker 1: the country. And when at a high level, it would

2262
02:16:33,720 --> 02:16:35,560
Speaker 1: be nice if you could do that, Arizona State would

2263
02:16:35,560 --> 02:16:40,360
Speaker 1: be UM probably undefeated. But you can't. You can't. You can't.

2264
02:16:40,879 --> 02:16:42,880
Speaker 1: You have to be able to rebound the basketball, and

2265
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:47,000
Speaker 1: they seriously seriously lack in that area as well as

2266
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:49,240
Speaker 1: protecting the rim. But it is pretty cool as a

2267
02:16:49,280 --> 02:16:52,000
Speaker 1: Pack twelve fan that three of the current eight five

2268
02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:55,040
Speaker 1: stars that are committed to colleges are committed to Pack

2269
02:16:55,080 --> 02:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Twell schools, with the Pack twelve actually in the running

2270
02:16:57,760 --> 02:17:01,960
Speaker 1: for several more of these guys, which is which is

2271
02:17:02,240 --> 02:17:04,880
Speaker 1: a pretty great feeling because just the quality of basketball

2272
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:09,280
Speaker 1: UM really improves in Oregon. Even landed a huge commitment

2273
02:17:09,560 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 1: a couple of days ago from a guy named kellel

2274
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,880
Speaker 1: Ware out of North Little Rock, Arkansas, who's seven ft

2275
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:17,800
Speaker 1: to fifteen, So there's gonna be a big guy UM

2276
02:17:18,120 --> 02:17:20,440
Speaker 1: patrolling the paint. And he's the number thirty four overall

2277
02:17:20,480 --> 02:17:23,440
Speaker 1: player or number thirty three overall player in the country

2278
02:17:23,600 --> 02:17:26,240
Speaker 1: right now, and I think one of the top four

2279
02:17:26,440 --> 02:17:28,360
Speaker 1: centers in the country. So that's gonna be huge for

2280
02:17:28,600 --> 02:17:31,440
Speaker 1: Oregon as well. UM. All right, the next thing, I

2281
02:17:31,480 --> 02:17:33,560
Speaker 1: only have a couple left, but I think that you

2282
02:17:33,640 --> 02:17:40,000
Speaker 1: will like them. Thing Number one is hold on one

2283
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:44,640
Speaker 1: moment lost, My lost My list Ning Number one is

2284
02:17:44,760 --> 02:17:51,120
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham gave this quote when asked about UM. He

2285
02:17:51,280 --> 02:17:53,680
Speaker 1: was asked to say three nice things about his rival,

2286
02:17:54,240 --> 02:18:01,120
Speaker 1: and here's what Kyle Whittingham said. Which one And when

2287
02:18:01,200 --> 02:18:03,920
Speaker 1: they clarified b y U the obvious rival of Utah,

2288
02:18:04,040 --> 02:18:06,880
Speaker 1: he said, Oh, the in state game. The dynamic has

2289
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:09,360
Speaker 1: changed so much because we're no longer in the same conference.

2290
02:18:09,640 --> 02:18:11,760
Speaker 1: We were in the same conference forever, so it's changed.

2291
02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 1: We started to develop a little bit of a rivalry

2292
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,680
Speaker 1: with USC, Colorado and Arizona State. There's some things that

2293
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:19,400
Speaker 1: are starting to materialize inside the Pact twelve. So that's

2294
02:18:19,440 --> 02:18:24,160
Speaker 1: why I asked that question. Is that shade two b

2295
02:18:24,440 --> 02:18:27,280
Speaker 1: y U? Was that in intentional shade or is he

2296
02:18:27,400 --> 02:18:29,840
Speaker 1: really saying like he believes those three schools are on

2297
02:18:29,920 --> 02:18:33,480
Speaker 1: the level of the rivalry with b y U. M M,

2298
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:36,160
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of shade. It's a little bit

2299
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:40,040
Speaker 1: of shade, But I think he's being genuine because the

2300
02:18:40,160 --> 02:18:44,560
Speaker 1: problem is is that you need an in conference rivalry

2301
02:18:44,720 --> 02:18:49,119
Speaker 1: to right and it's unsure who that is. I think

2302
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:52,160
Speaker 1: that the biggest one to me seems like USC at

2303
02:18:52,200 --> 02:18:56,520
Speaker 1: this point because they kind of go back and forth

2304
02:18:56,720 --> 02:18:59,440
Speaker 1: whether they're playing in Utah or USC who wins, who

2305
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:02,800
Speaker 1: doesn't win in So for Utah, they're trying to build

2306
02:19:02,959 --> 02:19:08,120
Speaker 1: rivalries and they have a natural one with b y U,

2307
02:19:08,320 --> 02:19:11,520
Speaker 1: but it doesn't have that national recognition. So I think

2308
02:19:11,560 --> 02:19:14,520
Speaker 1: that he was shading while being serious at the same time.

2309
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:18,080
Speaker 1: And I see loved all the coaches with r J.

2310
02:19:18,320 --> 02:19:21,760
Speaker 1: Young Because Mario Cristo Ball was with r J. Young

2311
02:19:21,959 --> 02:19:24,160
Speaker 1: and they asked him to say three nice things are

2312
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:26,040
Speaker 1: about to rival He was like, I can't do it.

2313
02:19:26,240 --> 02:19:29,960
Speaker 1: I have nothing nice to say about them. That's awesome,

2314
02:19:30,200 --> 02:19:34,160
Speaker 1: all right. Uh. And the last one and I love

2315
02:19:34,320 --> 02:19:37,400
Speaker 1: this this is there's a guy on Twitter. His name's

2316
02:19:37,520 --> 02:19:43,760
Speaker 1: Nick Farman. Uh. He used to be a um Weaver

2317
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:47,920
Speaker 1: State recruiting intern and he now has a company called

2318
02:19:48,040 --> 02:19:51,720
Speaker 1: Northwest Spotlight. He fired off this tweet and I think

2319
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:55,400
Speaker 1: it is fantastic. I want your reaction. Nick Farman says

2320
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 1: if the PAC twelve wants to remain a conference and

2321
02:19:58,560 --> 02:20:01,520
Speaker 1: rise to power, they would be genius to be the

2322
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:08,160
Speaker 1: first conference to sanction scholarship women's tackle football. Watch how

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Speaker 1: fast the best athletes in the country come out West

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02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:18,520
Speaker 1: and even stay home the women or just I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think he means. I think he means that it

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Speaker 1: would it would fire everybody up. Huh, because obviously he

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02:20:30,040 --> 02:20:33,240
Speaker 1: would have to mean that because obviously if they sanctioned

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Speaker 1: scholarship women's tackle football, the best athletes would come to

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Speaker 1: the fact well because it would be the only conference

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Speaker 1: with women's tackle football. Yeah, I don't understand it. I granted,

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02:20:45,440 --> 02:20:49,119
Speaker 1: I get that you would get um, you know, big

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02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:53,680
Speaker 1: time players to come in terms of the women. I

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02:20:53,800 --> 02:20:55,640
Speaker 1: just don't know how the impact that it would have

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02:20:55,760 --> 02:20:59,160
Speaker 1: on other sports, what about I think the toughest thing

2335
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:02,520
Speaker 1: about it would actually to be getting people who have played.

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02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,400
Speaker 1: How would you recruit? That would be you would be

2337
02:21:05,879 --> 02:21:10,320
Speaker 1: recruiting a base of like next to nothing. It would

2338
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:13,440
Speaker 1: have to exist at the grassroots level in order for

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02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:15,520
Speaker 1: it to happen. But I think you could probably open

2340
02:21:15,600 --> 02:21:19,960
Speaker 1: up the idea of sevens, right like women sevens. That's

2341
02:21:20,000 --> 02:21:23,560
Speaker 1: the thing now, even flag I would I would watch

2342
02:21:23,600 --> 02:21:26,200
Speaker 1: the hell I first time, the first time I went

2343
02:21:26,280 --> 02:21:27,960
Speaker 1: to a pylon tournament, I was like, this is the

2344
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:31,000
Speaker 1: future of football. This will be an n C double,

2345
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,520
Speaker 1: a sanction sport within the next twenty years. People will

2346
02:21:33,560 --> 02:21:35,720
Speaker 1: watch it. It is fun. There are people that would

2347
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,200
Speaker 1: be that that would do seven on seven that would

2348
02:21:38,280 --> 02:21:42,080
Speaker 1: that have nothing to do with tackle football whatsoever. I

2349
02:21:42,120 --> 02:21:45,960
Speaker 1: think it's its own spect completely. But would you watch it?

2350
02:21:46,080 --> 02:21:48,440
Speaker 1: I would watch the hell out of sevens if it

2351
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:53,680
Speaker 1: was televised, Dude. I've seen women's sevens. That is a

2352
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:58,320
Speaker 1: fun watch. Bro. That is a big time fun fun watch.

2353
02:21:58,879 --> 02:22:01,240
Speaker 1: The little sister of a to use backup quarterback is

2354
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:05,560
Speaker 1: like a national champion seven's quarterback. Yeah so yeah, So

2355
02:22:06,040 --> 02:22:12,080
Speaker 1: I think that that would be great TV because it's funny,

2356
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,640
Speaker 1: because when people criticize women's sports, it's silly to me.

2357
02:22:16,200 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 1: But dude, they play so damn hard, Dude, they play

2358
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:26,000
Speaker 1: so hard that I think that that would be a

2359
02:22:26,240 --> 02:22:31,160
Speaker 1: marvelous television event that I would gladly sign up for.

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02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:33,320
Speaker 1: Can I ask you? I want to ask you if

2361
02:22:33,320 --> 02:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you think that this observation is fair because I used

2362
02:22:35,360 --> 02:22:39,800
Speaker 1: to be a youth soccer scout um where I would

2363
02:22:39,800 --> 02:22:43,280
Speaker 1: go to Olympic development tournaments of And the funny thing

2364
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:45,440
Speaker 1: about Olympic development tournaments is it would be me and

2365
02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:48,400
Speaker 1: every college coach in the country because they recruit them

2366
02:22:48,600 --> 02:22:52,640
Speaker 1: so young like most most elite women's soccer players are

2367
02:22:52,680 --> 02:22:56,520
Speaker 1: committed early in their sophomore year of high school, which

2368
02:22:56,560 --> 02:22:59,039
Speaker 1: is insane to me. But because of that, I had

2369
02:22:59,080 --> 02:23:01,080
Speaker 1: to watch a ton one of youth soccer, and you

2370
02:23:01,160 --> 02:23:03,720
Speaker 1: see that they emulate the pros and they emulate their

2371
02:23:03,720 --> 02:23:06,680
Speaker 1: favorite players. And somebody was telling me they didn't like

2372
02:23:06,720 --> 02:23:11,039
Speaker 1: women's soccer because they cry, like they actually physically cried

2373
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:14,800
Speaker 1: tears on the field, and I would say, like, yeah,

2374
02:23:14,920 --> 02:23:17,600
Speaker 1: based on my observations of scouting some of these high

2375
02:23:17,640 --> 02:23:21,400
Speaker 1: level soccer players, women do show more emotion on the field,

2376
02:23:21,440 --> 02:23:24,480
Speaker 1: like the full spectrum of emotion. But the one thing

2377
02:23:24,600 --> 02:23:26,880
Speaker 1: that I don't see them do is frequently and like

2378
02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:31,680
Speaker 1: exponentially less, is if they flop or if they go down,

2379
02:23:32,080 --> 02:23:35,880
Speaker 1: they get up. Yes, they might cry, they might be crying,

2380
02:23:36,000 --> 02:23:38,600
Speaker 1: but they get up. Men's soccer players would die in

2381
02:23:38,680 --> 02:23:45,520
Speaker 1: a pillow fight, except except Roy Kent. Yeah, yeah, except

2382
02:23:45,640 --> 02:23:55,040
Speaker 1: Roy Kent. Alright, um, Ralph, yes, sir. On On a

2383
02:23:55,200 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 1: side note, um, have you been watching uh uh Ted

2384
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:05,040
Speaker 1: Lasso in your ted Lasso jersey. I don't have a

2385
02:24:05,120 --> 02:24:06,920
Speaker 1: Ted Last jersey because I don't have to hook up

2386
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:12,800
Speaker 1: like you. Oh my god, are you serious? Yeah? I'm serious.

2387
02:24:12,879 --> 02:24:16,879
Speaker 1: I'm not on your level. No, Oh my god, dude,

2388
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:21,720
Speaker 1: I thought I sent you one. Damn never mind. You're

2389
02:24:21,800 --> 02:24:24,480
Speaker 1: just like my my step mom, dude. At Christmas, we

2390
02:24:24,520 --> 02:24:27,400
Speaker 1: would always get to open the stocking on Christmas Eve

2391
02:24:27,800 --> 02:24:30,959
Speaker 1: and open our presence on Christmas Morning, and my stocking

2392
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:34,000
Speaker 1: would always have accessories for my Christmas Morning presents, so

2393
02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:36,480
Speaker 1: you would know what it what it was. Yeah, So

2394
02:24:36,480 --> 02:24:38,440
Speaker 1: I'd be opening my stocking and I'd open it would

2395
02:24:38,440 --> 02:24:40,240
Speaker 1: be like film for a camera, but I didn't own

2396
02:24:40,280 --> 02:24:42,480
Speaker 1: a camera, and my stepmom would just be like, damn

2397
02:24:42,520 --> 02:24:47,800
Speaker 1: it again, like exactly, Bro, that's where, Bro, that's me

2398
02:24:48,320 --> 02:24:52,240
Speaker 1: right now? Can I congrat? Can I pat us on

2399
02:24:52,280 --> 02:24:54,960
Speaker 1: the back for a second before close? This is our

2400
02:24:55,000 --> 02:25:01,040
Speaker 1: one episode. We did it, man, we did we have

2401
02:25:01,280 --> 02:25:06,480
Speaker 1: all right, that's it shows over film, al right. We

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Speaker 1: will catch you guys next week.