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Speaker 1: I am Mary Katherine Ham.

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Speaker 2: And I'm Carol Markowitz. Are you wrapping up your time

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Speaker 3: Mary Catherine?

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm going out to dinner one last time

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Speaker 2: I think that you gotta get it when you get back.

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Speaker 3: To the coast.

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Speaker 1: They're ever going to invite me back again. I really need.

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Speaker 1: I was visited by Molly Hemingway came to my lecture.

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Speaker 1: That was really nice. And I had a line in

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Speaker 1: because I said, it's important to surround yourself with people

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Speaker 1: And I happen to have a group of Mauthy broads

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Speaker 2: So yeah, maud abroad's for the wind.

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Speaker 1: It's important, all right, Let's.

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Speaker 3: Get into it. What is going on in the news.

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Speaker 2: You know, again, we're not talking you Ron in this

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Speaker 2: episode because things are just keep on keeping on. I

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Speaker 2: saw news that we're ahead of schedule, which not clear

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Speaker 3: But we will update the normally.

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Speaker 2: Listeners when we hear of any breaking news or potential

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But meanwhile, on the home front, we have lots

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Speaker 1: and lots of fraud, Carol. I know that Vice President

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Speaker 1: Jade Vance has been put in charge of sort of

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Speaker 1: like an overarching fraud fraud busting project Frauds and the

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Speaker 1: of money going to utter nonsense. A couple examples from

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Speaker 1: five unserved locations. So a couple people get their boots

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Speaker 1: Among them were a shed along some train tracks, an

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Speaker 1: So just amazing stuff. And this is Aril Ross wrote this.

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Speaker 1: And truly that might be the case, because what happened

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Speaker 1: And it should be embarrassing because this money is taken

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Speaker 1: Well, and like the problem is you hit a point

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Speaker 1: there saying, at age sixty nine, len Iyani is a

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Speaker 1: insurance wouldn't cover it. She was, according to Medicare records,

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Speaker 2: That's right, and this comes out of CBS News, and

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Speaker 2: it's it's interesting because would the old CBS pre Barrier

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Speaker 1: And in general, reporters think that government money is government money.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, this is designed when they do

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Speaker 1: How dare you come after the dying and the disabled children?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely on the story. On the tweet from this story,

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Speaker 1: And it's like special occasion dinners for deployed.

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Speaker 2: I'm perfectly okay with that, and I don't see any

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you said you were surprised. I feel

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Speaker 3: I really I had hope.

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Speaker 2: In DOGE and that kind of thing, and of course

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Speaker 3: Really, that's the only thing we have left.

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Speaker 1: The Medicaid story comes from a data release from DOGE,

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Speaker 1: so that is just an issue of having enough enterprising

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Speaker 2: because that's what it is. And the thing is that

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Speaker 2: I you know, in a perfect world, we would have

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Speaker 2: mechanisms by which we would limit screen in time use

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Speaker 2: and not just take it away like my sixteen year

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Speaker 2: She says that one of the things her and her

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Speaker 2: friends used to do is like snap a picture of

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Speaker 2: each other when they would see each other across campus,

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Speaker 2: and now they can't do that anymore. Little cute things

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Speaker 2: have been lost. And know, her and her friends are

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Speaker 2: not super screen time teenagers, so they just feel like

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Speaker 2: they've been punished because other people are playing video games

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Speaker 2: all through school. I get that, and it does suck.

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Speaker 2: But in lieu of having policies that are you know,

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Speaker 2: sane and limit you kind of have to take it

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Speaker 2: away completely. And what we have now is that they've

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Speaker 2: taken away the phones, but people in classes, the kids

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Speaker 2: are on laptops or tablets and they're playing games, they're

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Speaker 2: watching videos, they're having chats, they're fully having you know,

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Speaker 2: conversations with their friends on various chat programs. What have

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Speaker 2: we really accomplished by taking away the phones, Like now

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Speaker 2: the kids don't have access to it between classes, but

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Speaker 2: if they have screens in classes, it really doesn't do

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Speaker 2: that much to limit their actual screen time. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how we walk this back. I think you're right

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Speaker 2: that the battle has been lost.

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Speaker 1: And in some places for sure, but because part of

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Speaker 1: it is that, well, parents got sold a lie, and

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Speaker 1: then a lot of them during the pandemic kind of

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Speaker 1: had to lean on devices. They had to work at home.

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Speaker 1: And I get it, but you got to pull out

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Speaker 1: of the dive as a parent. They are sabotaging you

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Speaker 1: at school. You need to take that to your school board.

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Speaker 1: You need to make noise about this. And with your kids,

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Speaker 1: you need to say no to them. At home. You

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Speaker 1: need to say no to them. A lot of a

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Speaker 1: lot of parents are like, well it would be really

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Speaker 1: hard to say no. Yeah, but you have to.

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Speaker 3: It's really hard, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Hate said, even beyond the phone problem, as you

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Speaker 1: note that there was some charts showing that the drop

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Speaker 1: off and ability to read and have attention span for

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Speaker 1: a long TEX starts dropping as soon as ed tech

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Speaker 1: is introduced into the classroom. And I can understand for

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Speaker 1: a short time being like, this is the new tool.

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Speaker 1: We must use the new tool. Sure, but if the

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Speaker 1: new tool is making things worse, you need to abandon

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Speaker 1: the new tool and you need to go back to basics.

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Speaker 1: And I would just point out also my friend Karen Vates,

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Speaker 1: who covers literacy, notes that in places like Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: guess what they use in classes not at Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: use paper, they use full books. They are tech free

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Speaker 1: zones for teaching reading for the most part. And it

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Speaker 1: turns out that that's what makes your brain work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going back to basics is what it's all about.

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Speaker 2: And you know, there's also this thing on Twitter where

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Speaker 2: people are always like, oh, look what was taken from us?

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Speaker 2: And I got it into a conversation with Matt Walsh

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Speaker 2: the other day where he was saying, like, he posted

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Speaker 2: a picture of some kid riding his bike at like dusk,

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Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, this no longer exists.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, that could act?

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Speaker 2: Should we be my kid, like with the bad haircut

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Speaker 2: and all this is, this could be my child on

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Speaker 2: his bike at dusk?

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Speaker 3: I like, it does exist. It's outside my house.

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Speaker 2: And he commented back to me that while Okay, even

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Speaker 2: if you limit screen time in your house, the other

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Speaker 2: kids don't. Else just say, if you get your kids

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Speaker 2: outside and playing, other kids will join.

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Speaker 3: That's how it works. That's how it's always worked.

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Speaker 2: You go outside and you start playing, and other kids

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Speaker 2: see you and they start playing, and yeah, maybe they're more.

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Speaker 3: Screen time kids than they used to be.

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Speaker 2: My kid, you know, my younger son referred to one

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Speaker 2: of his friends as an indoor kid. That kid, that

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Speaker 2: kid's an indoor kid. But they've always been indoor kids.

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Speaker 2: They've always been indoor kids who didn't want to be

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Speaker 2: outside with the rest of the gang. I think that

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Speaker 2: you can make the changes in your own house and

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Speaker 2: you can watch it flourish in your neighborhood.

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Speaker 3: It's completely possible.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And I think the thing that many people

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Speaker 1: might be missing is that you have to be more

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Speaker 1: intentional about it than you were in the past.

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Speaker 3: You could, you.

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Speaker 1: Could count on the community to perhaps be passively. The

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Speaker 1: default is that everyone's outside and playing. Maybe that's not

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Speaker 1: the default now, And maybe your kids are the ones

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Speaker 1: who go out and play. This is what ours do.

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Speaker 1: They go out and play, and we limit the amount

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Speaker 1: of indoor time they get to do at other people's houses.

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Speaker 1: We're not just going to mooch snacks and screen time

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Speaker 1: elsewhere right right, what we're doing.

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Speaker 2: Sas Okay, they move, they can mooch the snacks, they

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Speaker 2: go to my neighbor's house.

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Speaker 1: They eat all the snacks, knock on the door say

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Speaker 1: can Johnny come out to play? And if Johnny doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to come it to play, you go to the

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Speaker 1: next house and find another kid. But it has I

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Speaker 1: have found that a lot of kids end up outside

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Speaker 1: when you have that as the.

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Speaker 2: Environment, right, be the leader, make it happen.

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