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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome back to another new episode of

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Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is Kat, Always happy

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Speaker 1: you're here, always starting the podcast reminding you, guys that

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Speaker 1: this is not therapy, but I am a therapist today.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty pumped about the episode today. About the guests

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Speaker 1: that I have today. It's somebody who I originally asked

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Speaker 1: she sent us come around. And her name is Megan Repass.

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Speaker 1: She is somebody I met years ago working at a

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Speaker 1: treatment center and she was a part of the adventure

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Speaker 1: team there and you'll learn all about that. I won't

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Speaker 1: spoil it now, but she is incredible. Incredible. Talk about

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Speaker 1: somebody who is good at what they do, and talk

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Speaker 1: about somebody who honestly we go back to the episode

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Speaker 1: about passion and purpose. She is a jackcamera type person

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Speaker 1: with some hummingbird tendencies, but she was created to do

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Speaker 1: the work that she is doing right now, and she

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Speaker 1: does it so well. I have always looked up to

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Speaker 1: her in regards to just her as being a good human,

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Speaker 1: but also what she does and how she does it

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Speaker 1: and the joy you you're gonna be able to even

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Speaker 1: like feel the joy in the like love of life

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Speaker 1: through your Wherever you're listening to this, you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to feel it. I promise she's awesome. She now works

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Speaker 1: at on site and she also does some private practice

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Speaker 1: stuff with adventure therapy, equine therapy and all of that.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna put her info in the notes. If

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Speaker 1: I am just sitting here as I didn't plan what

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Speaker 1: I was going to say. What I'm sitting here thinking about, like,

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Speaker 1: I feel so lucky that the universe and God especially

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Speaker 1: has put her in my life, because you will hear

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Speaker 1: I was not supposed to be an adventure therapist, and

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Speaker 1: for some reason I was, and for some reason we

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Speaker 1: were connected, and I'm very glad about that. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not to sit here and like gush about my friendship

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Speaker 1: with me. I'm gonna let you listen to our conversation

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Speaker 1: and hopefully you guys learn a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: power of adventure therapy, the power of the earth, the

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Speaker 1: power of metaphor and all that. I love you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I will talk to you in one second when the

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Speaker 1: conversation comes in. So how about we get to it.

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Speaker 1: Here is my conversation with my friend Megan. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: I'm here. This has been long awaited by me my

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Speaker 1: friend Megan. Say hi, hi friends. So I had asked

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Speaker 1: Megan to be on the podcast many months ago, long time.

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Speaker 1: She said no, just said no and no and oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: she just said no. And then eventually she came back around.

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Speaker 1: So was it after your friend texted you about it? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Actually that's exactly when when when it was my trusted

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, shut up, I know this girl. This

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Speaker 1: is my good friend Fata. And that's how it happened. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And then you're like, I guess I'll do it. So

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Speaker 1: she's here by the grace of God, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about how we met. But what we're gonna do today

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Speaker 1: is talk about adventure therapy, equin therapy, wilderness therapy, all

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Speaker 1: those things. We've never talked about any of that, and

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Speaker 1: it's really cool and it's really interesting, and it is

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Speaker 1: talk about how Cat and Megan met and how they

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Speaker 1: became friends and how calvying the adventure. Therapists, please tell

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Speaker 1: the story well also, you have to tell it part

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Speaker 1: of the story. So we both worked at a treatment center.

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Speaker 1: Most of you guys know that about me. Worked at

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Speaker 1: a treatment center for a couple of years, and I

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Speaker 1: started as an intern. Worked my way, I got a

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Speaker 1: and I got that job. Well, they created a position.

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Speaker 1: I'm also like so flattered that I was chosen out

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Speaker 1: So anyway, I get the but how did you decide?

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Speaker 1: Like what happened when I left the interview? You wan't

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Speaker 1: other people that they have interviewed. You were not qualified.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even close. And you you answered incorrectly with everything. However,

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Speaker 1: we jigged, we got along, and you can feel your

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Speaker 1: That's all you need. And you're a phenomenal therapist. You

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Speaker 1: took some some lovingly, yeah I did do that. So

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Speaker 1: what what happened? Just you guys know, I did go

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Speaker 1: be able to have done all that stuff without you.

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Speaker 1: They're like the therapy stuff was second nature to me,

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Speaker 1: but the other stuff was like foreign language. All that

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Speaker 1: the option to interview, Right, But I'm so grateful that

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Speaker 1: and here we are with my gosh, you have your

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Speaker 1: on a podcast with you, this is amazing. You're so awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you. I'm so proud of you. Thanks so for

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Speaker 1: all of your listeners. What do you call the listeners viewers?

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Speaker 1: I don't even know. I never viewers. They can't see you, listeners,

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Speaker 1: all your listeners. If you have a matter in person,

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Speaker 1: then you really should because she's one of the best.

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Speaker 1: That's you. Thank you, Thanks for having me. You're amazing

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Speaker 1: and I'm so glad that you're an adventure of therapist

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Speaker 1: with me. So if for anybody who's listened to a

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Speaker 1: So the best ever. My god, it was so I mean,

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Speaker 1: but also you're annoyed with. There's parts of every job

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Speaker 1: so let's talk about what adventure therapy is. Okay, what

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Speaker 1: got into it. Yeah, for sure. So adventure therapy is

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Speaker 1: a type of experiential therapy. If you think of experiential

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Speaker 1: equine therapy, psychodrama and as you know, experiential therapy is

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Speaker 1: focusing on the experience at hand. Adventures therapy is two parts.

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Speaker 1: It's activity based and it's involving real or perceived risk.

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Speaker 1: So it's an activity, it's an experience, and there is

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Speaker 1: into play of what they are doing in that moment.

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Speaker 1: So some examples are hiking, kayaking, low ropes, course activities,

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Speaker 1: for some people it's more powerful to say I don't

430
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 1: want to do it and for us to say, okay,

431
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: let's get you down. For some people that all I

432
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,360
Speaker 1: wanted to do is climb halfway up and then come

433
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: down just as lovely for two steps. Yes, and so

434
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: that's amazing. And then some people are like, well, I

435
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: only want to climb halfway and then they start doing

436
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: it and then they're like, wait a second, no, I

437
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: want to keep going. But everything that's happening is their choice,

438
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: right for sure, which most of our child they didn't.

439
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: They didn't have that for such a long time, Yes,

440
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 1: for sure. So I want to make a new leave

441
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: of faith. I haven't done it in a long time.

442
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 1: That week that we trained, I had to do it

443
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:48,520
Speaker 1: five times. It's exhausting. It's a actual physical it's very physical. Okay,

444
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: So let's leave a faith and forever. That is a

445
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 1: huge one, and that's an adventure of something, I mean,

446
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: an example of something that is done at adventure therapy.

447
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: But also let's talk about the like let because that's

448
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 1: a huge one and one that people actually really look

449
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: forward to doing, I think a lot of times. But

450
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: what about these like more like in like discreet simple

451
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: like you know, I have my private practice that I've

452
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: used a whole two times in three years in my

453
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: little office. I've literally used it twice because I meet

454
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: people at a park and we're hiking and we're outside,

455
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: or we're kayaking, or we're canoeing. You know, couples in

456
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: a canoe is phenomenal. Yeah. Yeah, it's talk about a

457
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: great experience, Oh my God, and all the powerful metaphors

458
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: in that one. But like, what are some of those

459
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: like you said pipeline, But I'm trying to think of

460
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 1: the other things. So there's there's things that you can do.

461
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: It depends on who you're working with. If it's a

462
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: couple's you know, you can do different games or initiatives

463
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: that are geared towards just two people. If it's a family,

464
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: you can do um. Essentially, any sport or game that

465
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,360
Speaker 1: we play in society, you can turn it into adventure

466
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: therapy session easily. Whether it's kickball or so ball, basketball, soccer, whatever,

467
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you created one with your beautiful brain. Hold

468
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 1: that together. It was phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, you get. We

469
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: gave everyone every group got a big ball of yarn

470
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: and different objects, whether it was toys or soft animals

471
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: or a can of green beans. Will never forget that.

472
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: And the group had to create a web of some

473
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 1: sort using this yarn, and they had to hold all

474
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 1: the objects up on top of the arn and move

475
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 1: from point A to point B without the items falling through.

476
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: And everyone had to have their hands attached. Sometimes they

477
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: couldn't speak, they couldn't use their voice, they had to

478
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: use you know, eye contact, her body language, and they

479
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: had to work together. I do that with families now

480
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: it's fenoen. We know what is so fun? What I

481
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 1: remember is so often when we would do that some

482
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: people would be so excited to do it and some

483
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: were like, this is so stupid, blah blah blah blah.

484
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: I'm spending thirty grand for this. Yeah yeah, like we know,

485
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: just trust the process. But what is cool and the

486
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: difference between something like that and something like the leap

487
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: of faith is that's a whole different experience. So then

488
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,119
Speaker 1: you're really focused on like communication and like creativity and

489
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: using your imagination and all that stuff and play and

490
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot of times people's imagination and trauma gets like

491
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: stuck and so it's a it's a really good even

492
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: just exercise for them. But yeah, play because a lot

493
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 1: of people just talking talk about like reparenting and like

494
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 1: healing your the inner child part of you. It's like, oh,

495
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 1: what happens when we invite the inner child to come

496
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: spend some time with you and treatment? People are like

497
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, Like it's like their

498
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: child isn't allowed to show up. Acting like a kid

499
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: is bad or being a kid is bad, or play

500
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: is bad or having fun is bad. I mean, there's

501
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 1: so much that can come out of like a game

502
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: that I made up because it was like rained. I

503
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: think it rained one day and we needed a rain

504
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 1: plan and I was like, Okay, no rain for like

505
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: a month, And so we were doing rain activities every

506
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: day and we were running out of the part of

507
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: the job. Yeah you can't. We can. We talk about

508
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: that though, because that's like one of my favorite parts

509
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: of adventure is the other aspect of how powerful it

510
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: is is because it truly gives people the space to

511
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: build the resiliency. Because if you are doing a venture

512
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: therapy outside in not so great of weather, in conditions

513
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: that you would normally not feel comfortable in, it's giving

514
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: you the real life opportunity to expand your comfort zone.

515
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: And when clients say, Megan, the weather is awful outside.

516
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: It's too hot, too cold, it's raining, it's whatever, my

517
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: response is typically, if you wait for the perfect day

518
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: to change, you will never change. It's very simple. If

519
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: it has to be the perfect condition for your change,

520
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: it's not. It's never gonna happen. So let's do it now.

521
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: And it usually gets the more the Yeah, I love that,

522
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: because how often have you read that or seen that

523
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: or heard that. But then what again you're doing is

524
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: you're taking that that statement that you just said, and

525
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 1: you're actually putting it into play, like, oh, this is

526
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: what people mean because think about addiction, think about I mean,

527
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: any of that stuff. There's never going to be a

528
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: good day to like get sober, Like there's never be

529
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: a good day to yeah not go back to that

530
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: same person or to not or an easy day to

531
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: get sober, or there's never going to talk about like

532
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: relationship addiction and stuff like that too. In the cycle

533
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: of abuse. It's there's never going to be a perfect

534
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: scenario when it's finally a perfect time to leave that

535
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: partner that's toxic. That's not going to happen. It's always

536
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 1: going to be hard, always going to be something. But look,

537
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: you can do it here while we're trying to I

538
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: don't know what you would be doing in the rain

539
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: kayak king, Oh kayaking. I wasn't there that day. No,

540
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: you weren't. Ever. There's never gonna yeah, So you do it.

541
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: You just do it anyway. You do it when it's

542
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: challenging and it could be good, and it's always good

543
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: because when you come out on the other side and

544
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: you see that, Wow, I have a track record of

545
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: surviving that thing that I thought was unbearable. You're doing

546
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: something good for your body, for your brain, for yourself.

547
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. It gives you a greater source of strength

548
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: and well that you can tap into that you didn't

549
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: think ever existed. That's what a venture therapy can do.

550
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: And that's kind of touching into wilderness tapy what you

551
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier. Like you know me, I have a huge

552
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: bias towards wildness therapy because there's something like it. I

553
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: can't say that I do wilderness therapy here in Nashville

554
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: because I'm not in a wilderness setting. Wilderness therapy is

555
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: quite similar to adventure therapy, except for it is done

556
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: in a wilderness setting. You got to be in the

557
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: back country. I see your face right now. I know,

558
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: like Cat's not going with me one day she is.

559
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: One day you're gonna come. I wouldn't do that for

560
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: a living. I would experience it as you would like

561
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: to experience it. I can be outdoors you just said

562
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: that to all of your listeners. I'm going to told

563
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: you that, yes, you can be outdoorsy, but you're like

564
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: the perfect example of what you've experienced of going out

565
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: there and doing these things and then what you feel

566
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: on the opposite side. So yeah, whatness therapy is a

567
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: whole different, beautiful modality, and that you are truly disconnected

568
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: from society, from from technology, from the front country, from

569
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: all the things that you thought you need to feel comfortable,

570
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: and you are really in a situation of Okay, what

571
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: do I really need? Who am I really And when

572
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 1: you come out the other side, oh my gosh, there's

573
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. Well, also the ability to connect

574
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: to yourself, the Earth, your higher power, other people, yeah,

575
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: the creator of creation itself. Yeah, that when you peel

576
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: back all those distractions. Like I don't know why I

577
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: keep having this image as you're talking about it, I'm

578
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: just like imagining myself like in a desert, barefoot, like

579
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: touching the ground and like feeling the heat of the earth.

580
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going I know, but like that's the that's

581
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: the which I have in my head because because what

582
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about is like the power of connecting and

583
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: how connection is what heals a lot of our stuff,

584
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: whether that's connection to people, connection to our spiritual side,

585
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: connection to ourselves. Like connection is what everybody is really

586
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: looking for. If we didn't have a lack of connection,

587
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: we would not have an issue with addiction. In our country,

588
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: our world, like addiction is a product of a lack

589
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: of a connection. Connection, Like that's what that is. And

590
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: so if you can have a space and you have

591
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity to experience a space where connection is literally

592
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: you're surrounded by opportunities to connect, do that. So like

593
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 1: one day I'll go do that. You don't have to

594
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: go on one of these emissions. You could just go

595
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: outside and walk. It's very like you can't go on

596
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: a hike. You can notice the trees outside, you can

597
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: look round, you can like feel the ground. You can

598
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: put your phone down for an hour. Intentional time outside

599
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: does wonders for our brain. Just google health benefits of

600
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: being outside. Don't mean to google it now you cannot.

601
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: Thousands will come up because you know I've done it

602
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: a gazillion times. Disclaimer, I really love to harp on

603
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: how we can't just google everything. I know you are

604
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: so this is not a trust and the source right,

605
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: We'll find some truands and sorce. But the first thing

606
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: that comes out up is sitting outside can reduce blood pressure,

607
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: lower heart rate, and decrease cortisol levels. When our bodies

608
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: are outside, our body slows down. It helps us feel

609
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: peaceful and calm. Okay, so without even knowing what the sources.

610
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: We're not going to cite this because it's just from

611
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: I'll be my own source. But okay, because you would

612
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: agree with this. What this is saying is going outside

613
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: feeling what the elements. It decreases cortisol, lowers your stress level.

614
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: So it's taking all of those things that get flooded

615
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: into our addie when we're experiencing a type any kind

616
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: of trauma. It's helping us discharge some of that. Yes,

617
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: if you look up anything by Gregory Brettman Stanford, I

618
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: mean like it's overwhelming. Look up shinering yoku. That's Japanese

619
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: for forest bathing. The research of when someone sits outside

620
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 1: in a forest setting, in a green space setting for

621
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: just fifteen minutes a day, like you said, their blood

622
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: pressure decreases, their cores, all levels decrease, they have a

623
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: more heightened sense of self creativity. It's staggering, like why

624
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: are we not doing that? Though? That's a whole other story. Well, okay,

625
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: we'll go down the road. In two thousand and eight,

626
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: I believe eight Homo sapiens became a predominantly more urbanized species.

627
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: So up into the two eight we naturally lived in

628
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: a more rule setting, But now more people live in

629
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: an urban setting, so connection to nature and green space

630
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: and getting outside is more difficult than it's ever been.

631
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: And by seventy I don't know that the stands off

632
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: the top of my head, it's something like six humans

633
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: were living in urban setting. You can look down, one up,

634
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: but it's becoming more and more distant. But the good

635
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: news is there's more research dumping into why we need

636
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: to be outside, why we need to go outside, and

637
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: their cities. I mean, if you just look around Nashville,

638
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: go to downtown chic there are so much green space

639
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: in cities now. Every major hospital, if you walk through it,

640
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: there's plants, nature, scenery, the sounds, floor life. It's it's

641
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: so coming with a real huge trendy thing. And you

642
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: know what, they're cute and I have a lot of

643
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: them in my house too, But that's that should be

644
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: a reason why they're they're getting more popular, not because

645
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: they're cute and trendy and cool they make a cool

646
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: Instagram picture, but because it actually helps you connect more, right, Yeah,

647
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: And the cool thing about the outdoors is I love

648
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,720
Speaker 1: How God did this. I don't have to really understand

649
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: exactly how it works or even believe that it works.

650
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: But pet scans fm r S Science Show is that

651
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: it helps our brain and we need it. But the

652
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: trick is not the trick. The key is it has

653
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: to be intentional. You can't be sitting outside scrolling your

654
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: social media, you can't have your phone in front of

655
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: you have to turn the screen off and literally be

656
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: intentional outside. Some people are probably like, why are they

657
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: talking about nature adventure therapy because they often go hand

658
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: in hand. You know, adventure therapy often occurs outside, but

659
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: it can still be done in an office setting. It's

660
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: just it's an it's an element of it regardless, and

661
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: it's a very important element of it. And it is

662
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 1: I mean, we have now have this running joke going

663
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: through this episode of like cat not being out outdoors.

664
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: There's a difference. And I do want to say, because

665
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: there's plenty people that are probably listening to mean like

666
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't like you don't have to don't like bugs,

667
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: and I don't. I'm not not hiking, you don't. That's

668
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: not what we're talking about. No, I'm talking about like

669
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: open your front door and stand outside for like five seconds,

670
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: like feel the sun, like we don't. You don't have

671
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 1: to go to Megan wilderness therapy. You can and that's awesome,

672
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: but that's not how to do that everybody's going to

673
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: be able to or or that might seem too much.

674
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: So go on a walk, like everybody can go and

675
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: to walk. Not everybody can go and walk. But if

676
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: you're able to go on a walk, go on a

677
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: walk like that. To mini garden, yes, go an herb, yeah,

678
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: learn how to cook with rosemary, all those things natural

679
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: like yes, I mean it's fascinating, but have you looked

680
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: up research in recentivism rates in prison systems and when

681
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: they bring nature animals is one thing. Well, when they

682
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: bring horticultural therapy into it, bird sounds and natural sounds

683
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: over the p A system, it is unbelievable. Really. Yeah,

684
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's some wonderful documentary out there on it.

685
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it's called. I'm gonna look

686
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, there's a lot of research on it.

687
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: It's fascinating. I'm glad we went down that because we're

688
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: talking about some adventure thing. But you guys might not

689
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: all be ever in a place where you're going to

690
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: go do that or you maybe you will, maybe you won't.

691
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: But everybody can go feel the earth. Everybody can do that,

692
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 1: and there's a benefit to that, just as much as

693
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 1: there's a benefit to these team building games or totally

694
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 1: the leap of faith. This is something that you can

695
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: do every day for yourself. Yes, just be intentional about it. Yeah,

696
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: now before we run off time, I do. And it's

697
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: okay if you need to think on this. I want

698
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: to know if there's a story of a of a client,

699
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: or a day or some experience that you've had, like

700
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: some of your most memorable moments. I'm gonna think of

701
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: mind too well. The first story for me that comes

702
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: to mind is there was a client, and this might

703
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: seem a little obvious, but they had significant fear of

704
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: water because they'd almost drown when they were a child,

705
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: and so going on the water was their absolute terror.

706
00:37:54,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: And witnessing and being able to walk alongside them literally

707
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: down to the water and being alongside them in the

708
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: boat with them and just holding space and corrailing with

709
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: them for them to see that the thing that was

710
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: the most scariest in the world to them, they were

711
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: able to enjoy it. It was a royal closer of emotion.

712
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: As you can imagine, a lot of stuff came up,

713
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: but seeing them just be released from fear, I don't

714
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: have to put I'm mad at this. This is where

715
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I struggle. I can't put two wards when I get

716
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: through experience or see in front of me, because I

717
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: just get to feel it. So it's it's hard for

718
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: me to put to words what I feel, which is

719
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of funny as a therapist. That's the point though,

720
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: that's the point of like, there's the healing that happens

721
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: in these kinds of spaces. Isn't about what somebody said.

722
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: It's not about what somebody said what they experienced. It's

723
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: about what they're feeling and what they what they're experiencing.

724
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: And so you get to watch somebody. They might not

725
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: say anything, but you get to watch somebody go from

726
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: petrified out of my mind to calm or right and

727
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: joyful or whatever. You get to watch that healthy sense

728
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: of pride. Yeah. Yeah, the other one that comes up,

729
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: This just came to mind. I just I can still

730
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: see this image you and I are somewhere and that

731
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: we have images that just kind of flashed in front

732
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: of us. You know, I was taking a group of

733
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: kids in Virginia backpacking and it was just a one

734
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: night it was an overnight. And even if you don't

735
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: want to do an overnight because that seems like too much,

736
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: you can just do it a day hike. But this kid,

737
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: he had some significant anger issues rightfully, so was dealta

738
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: pretty pretty hard hand. It was a group of eight

739
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: students and myself and another facilitator, and it was just

740
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: horrendous downpour and it was so cold. I mean, it

741
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: was miserable. It takes a lot for me to say

742
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: it was miserable. It was miserable. And we were in

743
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: the Blue Ridge Mountains and he sat down on the

744
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: trail and that was it. He was not moving, he

745
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: was not gonna taking another step forward. Well, the issue

746
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: is that we have to get from point A point

747
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: B to be picked up, and there's eight, you know,

748
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: seven other students, so we have to move. Yeah, we

749
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: had move. We gotta keep going. And he took his

750
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: pack off and that was it. And so I remember

751
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: walking back and staying next to him. Instead of telling

752
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: him what to do, I want to validate him, give him,

753
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: give him the choice that he got to make he

754
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: got to decide if he moves forward or not. And

755
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: I just said something alonglines of you know you, you

756
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: don't have to keep walking. You can sit here, and

757
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: as long as you sit here, I'm gonna sit next

758
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: to you. And that was it, and it gave that

759
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: beautiful child the chance to say, you know what, this

760
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: is my life and I'm gonna keep moving forward, and

761
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be with my friends and I'm gonna go

762
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna keep going and seeing him let go

763
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: of someone's anger. But yeah, because what you're talking about is,

764
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: let's say that one of the things that subconsciously you

765
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: might be struggling with due to your own story and

766
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: your experience and your trauma is the lack of of

767
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: having a choice at some point that can manifest in

768
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: so many different ways, which is a side note of

769
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: why I get annoyed with which I've been talking about

770
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: a lot on the podcast and social media about. I

771
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: get annoyed about how social media and people out there

772
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: can really water down trauma and tell you that because

773
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: you do this, this, you do this. That's one of

774
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: the reasons why that annoys means because your experience can

775
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: manifest in different ways depending on your temperament and all

776
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 1: of that so individualized. So let's say that not having

777
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: choice was a part of your your story and it

778
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: manifests in different ways. Okay, So what I'm imagining happening

779
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: in that moment is a lot of times there's some

780
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: rebellion to authority because I'm not having a choice, and

781
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: so it's like, I'm going I feel like I have

782
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: to I have to assert my power in a certain

783
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: way to maintain safety and protect myself. And even if

784
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: somebody is asking you to do something that you might

785
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: want to do or you don't really have a problem

786
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: with you, your body and your mind creates issues with

787
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: that out of that protection. So where you're sitting with him,

788
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: he probably does the sense of him it's yeah, I

789
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: want to be with my people, I want to finish this.

790
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: I want But because it feels like he has to,

791
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: then there becomes that part of him that wants to

792
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: pull away. And what you did when you sat with him,

793
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: instead of sitting there and being like giving him all

794
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: of the reasons why he should go or all of

795
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: the things that he should do, or instead of trying

796
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: to change his mind, you're saying I'm gonna wait with

797
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: you until you decide what you want to do. And

798
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: so it's now opening up that idea that like, I

799
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: get to choose something, and yeah, that's what everybody else

800
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: is doing, but I'm choosing to do it. I'm not

801
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 1: doing it because what everybo else is doing, not doing

802
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: it because somebody told me to. I'm doing it because

803
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: I have a clear picture of what's ahead of me,

804
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 1: and I am choosing that That makes sense, perfect sense.

805
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: I just think that's cool and I think that like,

806
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: which is also the theme of venture therapy. Not to

807
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: cut you off, but that's the theme of venture therapy.

808
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 1: It's the power of your choice. You get to choose

809
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: if you participate or not. That brings up a lot

810
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 1: memories people just not wanting to do stuff and like,

811
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: to be honest, humans are beautiful people. I love people.

812
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: Just put that out there before I say this. But

813
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: some of the clients we worked with, not their fault,

814
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: not their fault. We're real assholes. They could be mean,

815
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: they could be but people, yes, beautiful people and they

816
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: were in their wounding talking people that come out a

817
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: little bit. And so yeah, I say that I don't

818
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: want anybody hear me saying something negative about traumatized humans.

819
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: With that being said, people did not want to participate

820
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: in something like we're talking about all of the good

821
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: parts of people's favorite days and blah blah blah. Some

822
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: people dreaded it and thought everything we did was dumb.

823
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: Gave us the middle finger. Oh yeah, and like especially

824
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: ran away, running away middle of Oh my god. But

825
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: like also like in the middle of a game that's

826
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: so silly to some people, in the middle of a

827
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: game that's a simple game. What was it called the

828
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 1: twelve step walk or with the blocks, so there's just

829
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: there's one stepping step, So there's one in a ship

830
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: where you have these like wood planks, and I'm not

831
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: gonna explain the whole game, but it's really difficult and

832
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: you have to find a way to get your team

833
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: from one side to the other without touching the ground,

834
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: without breaking certain what rules, and there's things that you

835
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: do in the middle of the game that make it

836
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: harder when they mess up. Yeah, it was the worst.

837
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I remember, like I don't know me, you were Elaina,

838
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: but like whenever we had to remove a block from somebody,

839
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: I remember being like, you do it this time, you

840
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: do it this time because people would get piste and

841
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: yell at you and tell you that you're dumb and

842
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: you're stupid and blah blah blah blah blah blah. And

843
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's all part of the process. And then

844
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: you get to talk about what happened, what was brought up,

845
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: like what did that remind you of? What did that feel? Like?

846
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: How old did you feel when I took that from you?

847
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Felt like I was eight years old? What happened when

848
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: you were eight? And then all of a sudden, there's

849
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 1: like tears and it's like, oh, so what happened is

850
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: since you were eight, your nervous systident has been locked

851
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: in this one area because you haven't processed what really happened.

852
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, that reminded you of

853
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: that experience and it got turned on. You responded to

854
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: protect yourself, but you actually didn't need to protect yourself

855
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: because right now you're safe. You see where I'm going

856
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: with that, Like so freaking cool. So everyone thinks it's

857
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: all fun and games being an adventure therapist, and it is,

858
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: and it really is. It's all the more to it. Okay,

859
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: So now that we've kind of explained the adventure there

860
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: you talked about it and describe kind of what what

861
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: can be done and what it looks like. I want

862
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: to also talk about quickly who this can be for,

863
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 1: because I think what we've been talking a lot about

864
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: is the experience that we've had working in a treatment

865
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: center setting. But adventure therapy also, like we were talking

866
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: about when it comes to just going outside, can be

867
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: for anybody. So can you talk a little bit about,

868
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: like one, who really is this for and to how

869
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: do people even access this and who does this stuff?

870
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: Adventure therapy is for anyone that wants to learn more

871
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: about themselves, maybe learn some tools they can use in

872
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: their everyday life. It does not have to be for

873
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: people who are in counseling already or who are in treatment.

874
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: It can be for the everyday, normal, high functioning, resilient

875
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: human being who wants to improve their communication skills within

876
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: the relationships um. It can be for folks who want

877
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: to challenge, who are bored and need to get a

878
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 1: little woken up in their everyday life to just yeah,

879
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you could be asleep to what's not working for you

880
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: in your life and what these experiences will do will

881
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 1: wake you up because of the metaphor, because of the

882
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: feeling things that might pop up while you're doing something

883
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: that you actually might not really care about this activity

884
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of life. Well, why is that

885
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: feeling popping up then? Because what is it touching? So

886
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: it's a great way to be woken up to what

887
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: actually is not working in your life, to become aware

888
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: of it's very, very easy to fall asleep to issues

889
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: in our world because our world is so set up

890
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: to distract us. People make so much money off of

891
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: distracting you from your life. Our culture is set up

892
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: to make money from distracting you from actually being present,

893
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: and so this is a beautiful way to pull yourself

894
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: back up. So it's for everybody. Yeah, wonderful. Now not

895
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: everybody's community is going to have adventure therapy. So if

896
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: you want to get involved like the stuff that you do,

897
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 1: can anybody go to those on those things or is

898
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: it like so I do venture therapy in my own practice,

899
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, as an addictions counselor um. There are other

900
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: therapists that they are trauma therapists, but they also do

901
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: adventure therapy, and so you can request an adventure therapy session.

902
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: The Adventures, the programs I lead for on site. On

903
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Site is a phenomenal organization. It's an emotional wellness retreat

904
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: center forty five minutes west of downtown Nashville, and we

905
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: offer many different types of workshops for either individual intensives

906
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: or families or couples. We have a residential long term

907
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: program called Milestones at on Site. It's an amazing, incredible

908
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: trauma therapy program for adults who need to um take

909
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: a break from their everyday life and really get down

910
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: and deep into what's going on inside. Oh my gosh, yes,

911
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: you just you just pulled it up on the website.

912
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: There's my big old smile. Yeah. And then on site Adventurers.

913
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: We do adventure therapy add on site in our individual

914
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: intensives and our workshops and also at Milestones. But then

915
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: we have our equine Therapy adventure which are done in

916
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: the back country of Montana, which as you know I

917
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: am very partial to. We do that every June, and

918
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,479
Speaker 1: then we go to Colorado to an incredible dude ranch

919
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: called Lost Valley Ranch. It's gorgeous, amazing, Yes, it is

920
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: coming up. Yeah, there's one October. There's one for couples

921
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: in May and it's an experience of a lifetime and

922
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: that is equal and therapy based both both those programs.

923
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: So lots of different resources, lots of different avenues. I'm

924
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: very blessed to be working at on site for sure. Okay,

925
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,399
Speaker 1: I like want to go to this Colorado trip. You

926
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: would love Colorado, you would you would thrive, you would

927
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: love that as long as I don't have to. Um,

928
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: you have a cabin okay, don't want to sleep? Yes, yes,

929
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: that's you want to sleep in the town now, Montana's

930
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: tent primitive, it's phenomenal Colorado. You have a fireplace, you're

931
00:49:55,120 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: on front porch, hot shower. I'm sliding up. Oh my gosh,

932
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: please sign up. But sign up as UM a co therapist.

933
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: That'd be so fun. Is that an option? Well, now

934
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: it's probably not. Actually this this takes me back to

935
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: our first interview. No, you're not qualified because you're not

936
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: an equine therapist. But I'd love to have you as

937
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: a client. Let's just oh circol, let's just go as friends,

938
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: all right. Just speaks to we're not going to go

939
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 1: on this tangent, but I'm gonna bring it up. Staying

940
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: in your lane is a therapist, Like, I'm not an

941
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: equine therapist, so I'm not going to pretend like I am,

942
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to host an equine therapy anything.

943
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: I will definitely suggest people do it. Can we do

944
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: another podcast at equine therapy because we get to talk

945
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: about it all it's very important. We will. All right,

946
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: Well that kind of wraps it up, so one, thank you.

947
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: This is fun. This is so fun. This was a

948
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: nice episode because it really was just like friends talking

949
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: about things that they care about. Yeah, but also talking

950
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: about things that matter, that works, that help people that

951
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: we have experienced him. Yeah, it takes me back, all right. Anyway,

952
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: so thank you guys for listening. I'm really sad to

953
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: report this. But you can't find Megan anyway. That's not true.

954
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: You don't have social media. I mean you Facebook. I

955
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: don't want that. That's I do have a private practice.

956
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 1: But if they can always just so, how could we'll

957
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: know if they want to contact you? If you want

958
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,359
Speaker 1: to work with Megan, then like, first of all, do it.

959
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: I honestly wish that. I don't really wish this, but

960
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: I wish there was another you that was exactly you,

961
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: that I didn't know that wasn't my friend, so I

962
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: could like do that stuff with you. That's the best

963
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: compliment ever. Thank you. I know what you're saying, and

964
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: vice versa second, like it didn't make sense. No, I

965
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: know that's what you're saying. Actually, um so then how

966
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: can people find you? Um, they can email me. It's

967
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: the wind info at gmail dot com. The wind um

968
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: W I n D. That stands for wellness in Nature's domain. Yeah,

969
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: my mom thought of that. Fancy. Yeah, the wind info

970
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com. Okay, beautiful, and you're in the

971
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: Nashville area. It's important to note, but I traveled to

972
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: folks like if they are in Colorado and they want

973
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: to do uh So, if you're interested, just email her

974
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,439
Speaker 1: because who knows what you could who knows who knows

975
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: what you could figure out. So thank you for being here,

976
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 1: thank you for being yourself, and thanks and I will

977
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: talk to all of you guys on Wednesday for couch talks.

978
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: If you have questions, honestly, if you have questions about

979
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 1: any of the stuff, email them to me. Catherine. You

980
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: need therapy podcast dot com because if there's a question

981
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: that I can't answer, that is for you then I'll

982
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: just get you on a zoom call and we'll answer

983
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: it for you. Guys. Perfect, So do that and I

984
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: will talk to you guys on Wednesday. Have the day

985
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: you need to have, love you back, leave me back,